Is Steel Worth Saving?

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0:00:03 > 0:00:05British-made steel.

0:00:06 > 0:00:07It's everywhere.

0:00:09 > 0:00:11The coins in your pocket.

0:00:12 > 0:00:14The tins of baked beans in your kitchen.

0:00:16 > 0:00:17Your washing machines.

0:00:19 > 0:00:20The car in your garage.

0:00:23 > 0:00:24Railway lines.

0:00:26 > 0:00:30Do we care that it's all British-made?

0:00:30 > 0:00:32And if we do,

0:00:32 > 0:00:34do we care enough to use our taxes

0:00:34 > 0:00:37to save the industry from going under?

0:01:12 > 0:01:16To some, Port Talbot is famous for its acting sons -

0:01:16 > 0:01:19Anthony Hopkins, Michael Sheen, Richard Burton -

0:01:19 > 0:01:21they all come from around here.

0:01:26 > 0:01:29But now, this Welsh town is itself taking centre stage,

0:01:29 > 0:01:33a reluctant actor in what feels like the final scene

0:01:33 > 0:01:35of Britain's industrial age.

0:01:38 > 0:01:40That's Port Talbot Steelworks down there.

0:01:40 > 0:01:43They've been making steel there for more than a century.

0:01:43 > 0:01:46The whole town is built around it.

0:01:46 > 0:01:50But as everybody must surely know by now,

0:01:50 > 0:01:54the future of the steelworks is looking uncertain.

0:01:56 > 0:02:01March 29th 2016 is not a date anyone here will forget.

0:02:03 > 0:02:04'The top news story -

0:02:04 > 0:02:07'the steel giant Tata announces plans

0:02:07 > 0:02:08'to sell its British businesses.'

0:02:08 > 0:02:11'The company employs 15,000 workers.

0:02:11 > 0:02:14'Ministers are under pressure to intervene.'

0:02:14 > 0:02:18'Most of the jobs would go from the Port Talbot plant in South Wales.'

0:02:20 > 0:02:22Surprisingly few people in Port Talbot

0:02:22 > 0:02:24blame Tata Steel for selling up.

0:02:28 > 0:02:30The company, based in India,

0:02:30 > 0:02:33said it was losing around £1 million a day

0:02:33 > 0:02:35propping up its many British works -

0:02:35 > 0:02:40Shotton, Trostre, Llanwern, Orb, Caerphilly, Corby,

0:02:40 > 0:02:46Hartlepool, Rotherham, Stocksbridge, Wednesfield, Warwick.

0:02:46 > 0:02:48- Ah!- Here we go. - Thank you very much indeed.

0:02:52 > 0:02:55'But Port Talbot stands to lose by far the most.'

0:02:59 > 0:03:00Thousands of jobs.

0:03:00 > 0:03:04And the Government has been blowing hot and cold.

0:03:04 > 0:03:05Would they save the works?

0:03:05 > 0:03:07Would they let it go under?

0:03:07 > 0:03:10Maybe a foreign company would ride into town?

0:03:13 > 0:03:14It's been a frightening month.

0:03:18 > 0:03:20And it's not just the steelworks -

0:03:20 > 0:03:22it's every business, even this little cafe

0:03:22 > 0:03:25that does enormous breakfasts for hungry steelworkers.

0:03:27 > 0:03:28Very worried at the moment.

0:03:28 > 0:03:30Nobody's knowing what's going on.

0:03:30 > 0:03:31Just waiting.

0:03:31 > 0:03:32It's like, er...

0:03:32 > 0:03:35being on the end of the cliff, isn't it?

0:03:35 > 0:03:37Your customers, most of them, are steelworkers?

0:03:37 > 0:03:40- 60%.- Is it 60%, really?- Yeah.

0:03:40 > 0:03:43- Yeah.- Mmm.- Easily 60%.

0:03:43 > 0:03:45So you'd be...

0:03:45 > 0:03:46bust if...?

0:03:46 > 0:03:47Oh, yeah. Definitely.

0:03:51 > 0:03:54If you've got a steelworks in your town,

0:03:54 > 0:03:56and you look at it every day,

0:03:56 > 0:03:59and you pass it every day, it's part of your life, isn't it?

0:03:59 > 0:04:01It is, yes.

0:04:01 > 0:04:04There is a great family value to it.

0:04:04 > 0:04:09To take that away, it'd be ripping the heart out of this place.

0:04:13 > 0:04:15But it is not just "can it survive?"

0:04:16 > 0:04:18And in Port Talbot they won't like this question,

0:04:18 > 0:04:20but should it?

0:04:25 > 0:04:27In other words, close down the blast furnaces?

0:04:27 > 0:04:29- Absolutely. - Close down the blast furnaces?

0:04:29 > 0:04:31But that's the heart of this place.

0:04:31 > 0:04:35Unthinkable to most locals, but this is not just a local issue,

0:04:35 > 0:04:37which is why we brought some outside experts in

0:04:37 > 0:04:41to argue the colder, economic case about the future of British steel.

0:04:41 > 0:04:43What about our national security?

0:04:43 > 0:04:45Steel is an important...

0:04:45 > 0:04:47- Steel is... - CROSSTALK

0:04:47 > 0:04:49- If you've... - CROSSTALK

0:04:49 > 0:04:52Who wants steel to be expensive, other than the producers?

0:04:52 > 0:04:55How many of you have actually been inside a steelworks?

0:04:55 > 0:04:59All this against the backdrop of a global steel crisis

0:04:59 > 0:05:03which has seen the industry's fortunes fall over the years.

0:05:03 > 0:05:06It's also a fundamental foundation industry in the UK,

0:05:06 > 0:05:10which we all, every single one of us, touch daily.

0:05:10 > 0:05:12And do we want to give that away?

0:05:12 > 0:05:14I'll tell you what would make it work - the pride in what they do.

0:05:14 > 0:05:17And they've been determined all the way through it.

0:05:17 > 0:05:19APPLAUSE

0:05:28 > 0:05:32Forget about the great global steel crisis for a moment.

0:05:32 > 0:05:34Here, it's local.

0:05:34 > 0:05:36It's personal.

0:05:36 > 0:05:4015,000 jobs are at stake in this area.

0:05:40 > 0:05:43Steel goes deep here.

0:05:45 > 0:05:46Steel.

0:05:47 > 0:05:49For over 100 years...

0:05:49 > 0:05:52It's been the heart of our lives.

0:05:52 > 0:05:54It's given us jobs.

0:05:54 > 0:05:55Skilled jobs.

0:05:55 > 0:05:57It's given us homes.

0:05:57 > 0:05:59It's put food on the table.

0:05:59 > 0:06:01It's who we are.

0:06:02 > 0:06:05This video is how the people of the town put their case

0:06:05 > 0:06:09to the owners in India when they held the board meeting last month

0:06:09 > 0:06:12which would decide the steelworks' future.

0:06:15 > 0:06:16I'm asking...

0:06:16 > 0:06:17And I'm asking...

0:06:17 > 0:06:18And I'm asking...

0:06:18 > 0:06:20- BOTH:- And we're asking...

0:06:20 > 0:06:21- ALL:- We're all asking...

0:06:21 > 0:06:23To secure our jobs...

0:06:23 > 0:06:25Our communities...

0:06:25 > 0:06:26And our futures.

0:06:29 > 0:06:32And the works' managers made their own appeal.

0:06:32 > 0:06:35They put forward a survival plan to the Tata board -

0:06:35 > 0:06:39a plan to make steel more efficiently, codenamed The Bridge.

0:06:40 > 0:06:42Save our industry.

0:06:42 > 0:06:43Save our steel.

0:06:43 > 0:06:44Save our steel.

0:06:44 > 0:06:46- BOTH:- Achub ein dur!

0:06:46 > 0:06:47Save our steel.

0:06:47 > 0:06:48Save our steel!

0:06:50 > 0:06:53That plan was unanimously rejected.

0:06:53 > 0:06:56Tata said it was too pricey, too risky,

0:06:56 > 0:06:58and they wanted a quick sale.

0:06:59 > 0:07:02As that news broke, the Business Secretary, Sajid Javid,

0:07:02 > 0:07:05was in Australia, blissfully unaware it was coming.

0:07:05 > 0:07:08That didn't make him many friends in Wales.

0:07:09 > 0:07:1348 hours later he was in Port Talbot, trying to make amends.

0:07:14 > 0:07:16And behind the scenes, plans were already being laid

0:07:16 > 0:07:19to resurrect the management proposal.

0:07:21 > 0:07:22We will do everything we can.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25There's a lot of tools in the box - we will do everything we can

0:07:25 > 0:07:28to help continue steel-making in Port Talbot.

0:07:34 > 0:07:37These are tough times for the steel industry.

0:07:37 > 0:07:40Demand has crashed worldwide over the past few years,

0:07:40 > 0:07:42and with it, the price of steel.

0:07:45 > 0:07:48China gets the blame for producing too much,

0:07:48 > 0:07:50and then off-loading it on the rest of the world

0:07:50 > 0:07:53for less than it costs them to make it.

0:07:53 > 0:07:54It's called dumping.

0:07:57 > 0:08:00The steel sector in the UK isn't inherently inefficient.

0:08:00 > 0:08:02It's because we are...

0:08:02 > 0:08:04snowed under,

0:08:04 > 0:08:08drowning under a tsunami of Chinese imports.

0:08:08 > 0:08:14We're seeing China dumping steel at a huge rate onto the global markets.

0:08:19 > 0:08:22Tata, which has had £2 billion wiped off the value

0:08:22 > 0:08:25of its British steel business over the last five years,

0:08:25 > 0:08:27don't just blame that for their woes.

0:08:29 > 0:08:32They say it costs too much in this country to make the stuff,

0:08:32 > 0:08:34for a whole variety of reasons.

0:08:38 > 0:08:40We have business rates here

0:08:40 > 0:08:44which are perhaps ten times as high as they are in Germany or France,

0:08:44 > 0:08:45for the equivalent work.

0:08:45 > 0:08:48All the other countries have got low energy costs and everything.

0:08:48 > 0:08:50And I'm sure on the same playing field,

0:08:50 > 0:08:54we could compete against anybody in the world.

0:08:54 > 0:08:56We've been telling successive governments

0:08:56 > 0:09:00that the costs they are plying on to us, adding to our costs,

0:09:00 > 0:09:02are harming us.

0:09:02 > 0:09:06And it's taken ten, 15 years for government to realise

0:09:06 > 0:09:08that when we were saying this was going to harm us,

0:09:08 > 0:09:12we weren't crying wolf, and it really is now coming home to roost.

0:09:14 > 0:09:16It's the Business Secretary's job

0:09:16 > 0:09:19to promote economic growth in this country.

0:09:19 > 0:09:22So what is the Government doing about helping out

0:09:22 > 0:09:24with things like business rates and energy costs?

0:09:25 > 0:09:27These are all the kind of areas

0:09:27 > 0:09:29where we've taken action over a number of months.

0:09:29 > 0:09:33In fact, energy action was taking place three years ago.

0:09:33 > 0:09:36And it's now starting to show an impact and have an effect.

0:09:36 > 0:09:40The energy offering is already much, much more competitive than before.

0:09:40 > 0:09:42Business rates - that's another one.

0:09:42 > 0:09:44What you're highlighting are all different areas

0:09:44 > 0:09:48where, one way or another, we have already taken action.

0:09:50 > 0:09:52If they don't stand by the steel sector now,

0:09:52 > 0:09:55then I think this could be the beginning of the end

0:09:55 > 0:09:57of steel-making in the UK.

0:10:02 > 0:10:03Off we go.

0:10:04 > 0:10:06Nice and slow now.

0:10:10 > 0:10:11Wait for us, Ems!

0:10:11 > 0:10:13Steelworkers like Neil Woodcock

0:10:13 > 0:10:16will have most to lose if the worst happens.

0:10:16 > 0:10:20Like his father, his grandfather, his great-grandfather before him,

0:10:20 > 0:10:23his life has been forged by the steel industry.

0:10:25 > 0:10:28'Steel, to us as a family, has not only been'

0:10:28 > 0:10:30a source of great income,

0:10:30 > 0:10:33but a source of great pride and achievement.

0:10:38 > 0:10:41It's something that I could say my family could not have been

0:10:41 > 0:10:45where it is today, and what they are today, without it.

0:10:48 > 0:10:51But how many families in Britain today could expect to pass

0:10:51 > 0:10:54their way of life down to yet another generation?

0:10:58 > 0:11:00As it happens, Neil isn't that keen

0:11:00 > 0:11:04on his children going into steel like he did.

0:11:04 > 0:11:06But it's what happens now to him, and his family,

0:11:06 > 0:11:08that keep him up at night.

0:11:08 > 0:11:11As a father, you work to provide for your family.

0:11:11 > 0:11:13And...

0:11:13 > 0:11:15If Port Talbot goes, I...

0:11:17 > 0:11:20I dread to think where the money's going to come from.

0:11:21 > 0:11:23Well done, Emlyn!

0:11:24 > 0:11:26We're just really worried that it...

0:11:26 > 0:11:29That this is the end, that this is just not going to carry on.

0:11:31 > 0:11:35We're really going to be struggling as a family if he does lose his job.

0:11:38 > 0:11:40That's an example for everything...

0:11:40 > 0:11:43Kurtis Davies is 16. He wants to be an apprentice.

0:11:43 > 0:11:47He went for an interview at Port Talbot works a fortnight ago.

0:11:47 > 0:11:51It's scary now, thinking, you know, in two, three years,

0:11:51 > 0:11:52the whole place could be gone.

0:11:52 > 0:11:56I'll have to go outside of Port Talbot if it does get closed down.

0:11:56 > 0:11:59You know, it's going to be the case of leaving family, friends...

0:11:59 > 0:12:01I'm just going to have to go on my own back.

0:12:01 > 0:12:04So you'll look for an apprenticeship elsewhere, then, if it happens?

0:12:04 > 0:12:06It's the only other option.

0:12:06 > 0:12:09Why should that young man have to move from this area? Why?

0:12:09 > 0:12:11Where's he going to go?

0:12:11 > 0:12:13I've got this picture in my mind of that young lad

0:12:13 > 0:12:15going to Nigeria to do his apprenticeship.

0:12:15 > 0:12:18You're going to have to get up very early in the morning for that!

0:12:18 > 0:12:20LAUGHTER

0:12:20 > 0:12:21But you'll have weekends off.

0:12:21 > 0:12:22So I think...

0:12:22 > 0:12:24I think what you're saying is

0:12:24 > 0:12:26- you can't imagine a Port Talbot without steel either.- Definitely.

0:12:26 > 0:12:28- None of you can?- No.

0:12:37 > 0:12:40With the clock ticking on Tata's sale deadline,

0:12:40 > 0:12:43Port Talbot steelworkers could have been forgiven

0:12:43 > 0:12:47for wondering whether their future had already been given to this man.

0:12:47 > 0:12:50Sanjeev Gupta, the boss of Liberty House,

0:12:50 > 0:12:51was telling anybody who'd listen

0:12:51 > 0:12:54that he was interested in buying the plant.

0:12:56 > 0:12:58It's daunting for me to consider doing this.

0:12:58 > 0:13:00But can we do it? We can.

0:13:01 > 0:13:02I've never lost money in my life.

0:13:02 > 0:13:05My company has made profits every single year for 25 years.

0:13:05 > 0:13:07My job every day is to manage risk.

0:13:07 > 0:13:10I have to take risks - you can't do business without taking risks.

0:13:10 > 0:13:12But my job is to measure it,

0:13:12 > 0:13:14to take a measured risk, calculate it and to manage it.

0:13:14 > 0:13:17BAGPIPE MUSIC

0:13:25 > 0:13:29A fortnight ago, he took control of two mothballed Tata Steel mills

0:13:29 > 0:13:31in Scotland, and talked up his role

0:13:31 > 0:13:33as the saviour of steel-making in Britain.

0:13:33 > 0:13:36APPLAUSE

0:13:36 > 0:13:40We hope what we start here today will be the beginning of a new era

0:13:40 > 0:13:44for Scottish steel, and maybe for British steel as a whole.

0:13:44 > 0:13:45Thank you.

0:13:45 > 0:13:48APPLAUSE

0:13:53 > 0:13:55Even if that's true, it would be a new era,

0:13:55 > 0:13:59which wouldn't actually include making steel from scratch,

0:13:59 > 0:14:02which is what Port Talbot's blast furnaces do.

0:14:14 > 0:14:18Liberty's business model is all about recycling steel from scrap,

0:14:18 > 0:14:21using electric powered arc furnaces.

0:14:24 > 0:14:26In terms of a new model,

0:14:26 > 0:14:29the main thing is to start melting scrap, start recycling scrap.

0:14:29 > 0:14:31Rather than making steel, we recycle steel.

0:14:31 > 0:14:34You know, there is enough steel scrap available in the UK

0:14:34 > 0:14:36to feed all our requirements of steel.

0:14:40 > 0:14:42The really big customers, like the car-makers,

0:14:42 > 0:14:46prefer virgin steel, made from iron ore in blast furnaces,

0:14:46 > 0:14:49to recycled steel.

0:14:49 > 0:14:53And there's also a worry about the number of men that he would employ.

0:14:58 > 0:15:01Mr Gupta says no problem - you just retrain them.

0:15:03 > 0:15:06We've done... Our initial studies showed the number of workers

0:15:06 > 0:15:09are more or less correct in terms of our plans and what we'd want to do.

0:15:09 > 0:15:13So would he promise to protect all those 4,000 Port Talbot jobs

0:15:13 > 0:15:15if he were to take over the works?

0:15:15 > 0:15:16Yes, absolutely.

0:15:24 > 0:15:26Stephen Kinnock is the local Labour MP,

0:15:26 > 0:15:30and he's pretty sceptical about the whole proposal.

0:15:33 > 0:15:34My understanding is that

0:15:34 > 0:15:39we would be reducing from about four million tonnes a year of production

0:15:39 > 0:15:43to one million, and it is difficult to see how you can do that

0:15:43 > 0:15:47without a pretty devastating number of job losses.

0:15:49 > 0:15:51Mr Kinnock knew nearly three weeks ago

0:15:51 > 0:15:55that the management buyout was being put together, and he was backing it.

0:15:57 > 0:16:00I know the conversations are taking place.

0:16:00 > 0:16:04I think it's a very attractive idea with some great potential,

0:16:04 > 0:16:08but, of course, the team around it need time to flesh out the details,

0:16:08 > 0:16:12and also to get the investment that they need to back the plan.

0:16:24 > 0:16:27The steel industry has been up and down since World War II.

0:16:29 > 0:16:30Mostly down.

0:16:31 > 0:16:33'The Government intends to bring iron and steel

0:16:33 > 0:16:35'under public ownership.'

0:16:35 > 0:16:38Nationalised by Labour in 1951...

0:16:38 > 0:16:42We shall immediately repeal the act of nationalising steel.

0:16:43 > 0:16:47..reprivatised by the Conservatives in 1953,

0:16:47 > 0:16:50nationalised again by Labour in '67.

0:16:51 > 0:16:55And then in 1988, with the Conservatives again in power...

0:16:55 > 0:16:57BBC NEWS JINGLE

0:16:57 > 0:16:58'British steel is to be privatised

0:16:58 > 0:17:01'after turning in impressive profits.'

0:17:03 > 0:17:04But the good times didn't last,

0:17:04 > 0:17:08and the steel industry stumbled into the 21st century.

0:17:08 > 0:17:11And now nationalisation - is it back on the agenda?

0:17:21 > 0:17:24Four days ago, with the pressure really mounting,

0:17:24 > 0:17:28the Government did say it is willing to take a 25% stake

0:17:28 > 0:17:30in any credible rescue package.

0:17:32 > 0:17:34That's hundreds of millions of pounds.

0:17:36 > 0:17:40Isn't that just part-nationalisation by the back door?

0:17:41 > 0:17:44No, says the Business Secretary.

0:17:44 > 0:17:47The Government will be investing on a commercial basis.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53If you look at some of our fastest-growing industries today -

0:17:53 > 0:17:58aerospace, the automobile industry - they rely on other industries,

0:17:58 > 0:18:00and steel is an important part of that.

0:18:00 > 0:18:02If you look at our infrastructure plans,

0:18:02 > 0:18:06£300 billion of infrastructure spending planned over five years.

0:18:06 > 0:18:08A lot of that will rely on British steel.

0:18:08 > 0:18:13I believe firmly that steel has a huge future in Britain.

0:18:15 > 0:18:18But steel production makes up just 1%

0:18:18 > 0:18:20of Britain's manufacturing output.

0:18:22 > 0:18:27And just 0.1% of the country's economic output.

0:18:28 > 0:18:31That's only a little more than the fishing industry.

0:18:32 > 0:18:36If we contrast it to something like financial services, for example,

0:18:36 > 0:18:40that constitutes about 12.5% of the UK's economic output.

0:18:42 > 0:18:47In terms of its relevance to the much wider manufacturing sector,

0:18:47 > 0:18:49it's not as important as people realise.

0:18:55 > 0:18:56When the plant is at full production

0:18:56 > 0:19:01- it produces a radiator every five seconds.- Wow.

0:19:02 > 0:19:05'Tony Mullins is the boss of a radiator company just down

0:19:05 > 0:19:07'the road from Port Talbot.'

0:19:08 > 0:19:11Port Talbot is 37 miles from us.

0:19:11 > 0:19:13Transport costs and logistics are very efficient

0:19:13 > 0:19:15and the service is excellent.

0:19:21 > 0:19:25His company, QRL Radiators, has used Port Talbot steel

0:19:25 > 0:19:28for a decade, and he's very happy with the service

0:19:28 > 0:19:30and quality of the product.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34He wants that to continue.

0:19:34 > 0:19:36Indeed, he feels strongly about it,

0:19:36 > 0:19:39but his company COULD live without it.

0:19:43 > 0:19:46If Port Talbot were to close tomorrow, let's be realistic,

0:19:46 > 0:19:48next month, a month after, what would happen to you,

0:19:48 > 0:19:49how would you manage?

0:19:49 > 0:19:52We would have to source our steel overseas.

0:19:52 > 0:19:55No other UK manufacturer could do it?

0:19:55 > 0:19:57No.

0:19:57 > 0:20:01And, as such, we would regret it greatly.

0:20:01 > 0:20:04And the effect of that on your business would be what?

0:20:04 > 0:20:09Clearly we will cope, because, as you are aware, John,

0:20:09 > 0:20:13there is no shortage of steel in this world at this time.

0:20:13 > 0:20:15We have people queuing up to sell us steel.

0:20:16 > 0:20:20And that strikes at the heart of keeping Port Talbot open,

0:20:20 > 0:20:23and indeed at the argument for keeping British steel.

0:20:25 > 0:20:28If Tony Mullins can easily get steel from elsewhere,

0:20:28 > 0:20:30can our steel industry really make the case

0:20:30 > 0:20:33that it is economically crucial?

0:20:33 > 0:20:36And does it really make sense for the Government to spend vast sums

0:20:36 > 0:20:37propping the industry up?

0:20:42 > 0:20:46What is so special about British steel? Is there anything special

0:20:46 > 0:20:49about British steel that says we absolutely must keep

0:20:49 > 0:20:51this industry alive?

0:20:52 > 0:20:54No, not in that sense.

0:20:54 > 0:20:58You should keep it alive because it makes economic sense to do so,

0:20:58 > 0:21:01because within this industry there's profitability.

0:21:01 > 0:21:05Mark, you're not impressed with the idea of Government money

0:21:05 > 0:21:08bailing out this steelworks.

0:21:08 > 0:21:12I think the Government should be putting in policy frameworks,

0:21:12 > 0:21:16not direct market interventions on sort of playing the stock market

0:21:16 > 0:21:19on a gamble of whether or not steel prices are going to go up or down

0:21:19 > 0:21:22or a particular business plan might work.

0:21:22 > 0:21:25I'm sure, in the end, there will be payback for the Government

0:21:25 > 0:21:29but it is giving all steelworks in Britain the chance.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32We made money years ago and we can make money now.

0:21:32 > 0:21:36If there IS to be a turnaround, it needs to be private sector money,

0:21:36 > 0:21:38and it needs to be a business proposition,

0:21:38 > 0:21:41not a political proposition from the Government.

0:21:41 > 0:21:46And if that means the company going bust or the steelworks closing...?

0:21:46 > 0:21:50- Yep.- So be it? - So be it. Ultimately so.

0:21:50 > 0:21:53'But that is clearly not the Government's view.'

0:21:53 > 0:21:57It's a bit unusual for me to agree with any Conservative,

0:21:57 > 0:22:00but anyway, you take what's on offer.

0:22:00 > 0:22:04And what sort of figures do you have in mind?

0:22:04 > 0:22:06Are you talking about millions, tens of millions,

0:22:06 > 0:22:08hundreds of millions or billions?

0:22:08 > 0:22:12One of the figures I've heard quoted is £2 billion over ten years,

0:22:12 > 0:22:15which is not a great deal of money for anybody that wants to invest.

0:22:15 > 0:22:18I'm saying not a great deal of money,

0:22:18 > 0:22:20for people that are big business.

0:22:20 > 0:22:23I was going to say some taxpayers might regard that

0:22:23 > 0:22:24as a great deal of money.

0:22:24 > 0:22:26Yeah. You're right, spot on, but for a lot of people

0:22:26 > 0:22:29it represents a very good opportunity.

0:22:29 > 0:22:33It's an opportunity, and it is not one to be missed.

0:22:33 > 0:22:34And it's not one to be rejected.

0:22:38 > 0:22:42True, but it's just part of the solution.

0:22:42 > 0:22:45Somebody has to have a realistic plan for buying the steelworks,

0:22:45 > 0:22:48or the Government share has got nowhere to go.

0:22:49 > 0:22:51And that plan, which the steelworkers obviously hope

0:22:51 > 0:22:55is realistic, re-emerged as if by magic

0:22:55 > 0:22:58at the same time that the Government made its offer.

0:22:59 > 0:23:01That plan - the management buyout.

0:23:04 > 0:23:08I've felt since the beginning, really, that a management buyout

0:23:08 > 0:23:12would be the best option, because you would have a team

0:23:12 > 0:23:14in place that really knows the business,

0:23:14 > 0:23:18and you would have a set of buyers behind them that is giving them

0:23:18 > 0:23:21the fire power to deliver on the turnaround plan.

0:23:29 > 0:23:32Hang on a minute, that's the SAME turnaround plan,

0:23:32 > 0:23:35the so-called Bridge that was thrown out by the Tata board

0:23:35 > 0:23:40back in March as too pricey - and, yes, too risky.

0:23:40 > 0:23:44Ah, but then the Bridge didn't have those Government millions behind it.

0:23:44 > 0:23:48Or a consortium backed by one of Wales's richest men,

0:23:48 > 0:23:50the billionaire Sir Terry Matthews

0:23:50 > 0:23:54AND headed by the investment guru, Roger Maggs.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59I think the management buyout plan is totally viable.

0:23:59 > 0:24:04It will be raising money from the management,

0:24:04 > 0:24:08from hopefully the employees, and probably other people's money

0:24:08 > 0:24:14as well, other investors, sufficient to finance the Bridge,

0:24:14 > 0:24:18the plan developed, to get the company back to break even.

0:24:20 > 0:24:24Roger Maggs also recently landed a job charged with driving

0:24:24 > 0:24:26future business diversity in Port Talbot

0:24:26 > 0:24:29to make it less dependent on steel.

0:24:32 > 0:24:35But diversifying, for now, can wait.

0:24:36 > 0:24:39Dragging the past into the future is more important.

0:24:40 > 0:24:45The number-one priority is to keep the boat afloat.

0:24:45 > 0:24:51I hope that there will be, once the dust has settled, efforts made

0:24:51 > 0:24:57to make this not just a steel-making region but the best.

0:24:57 > 0:24:59Not in Britain but in the world.

0:25:01 > 0:25:04But perhaps we shouldn't get TOO carried away.

0:25:05 > 0:25:08After all, the problems of yesterday are still there today.

0:25:10 > 0:25:12This is an operation that is shedding

0:25:12 > 0:25:14£1 million a day, ultimately.

0:25:14 > 0:25:17And so there would have to be a massive turnaround to really make it

0:25:17 > 0:25:20into a profit-making rather than a loss-making business,

0:25:20 > 0:25:25so there is a strong potential that it may not be around in five years.

0:25:25 > 0:25:27In the case of the management buyout, you hear ideas

0:25:27 > 0:25:30about financial restructuring but there is very little detail

0:25:30 > 0:25:33about, operationally, what is going to improve.

0:25:33 > 0:25:37'It may lack detail, but the unions say that the management buyout

0:25:37 > 0:25:42'is what ultimately convinced the Government to get involved.'

0:25:42 > 0:25:44The plan is there, the plan can turn it around.

0:25:44 > 0:25:46And I'm sure the more people that come to see the plan

0:25:46 > 0:25:49will buy into it and agree with it. The Government have bought into it,

0:25:49 > 0:25:52which I didn't think we'd have a hope in hell of doing,

0:25:52 > 0:25:55but showing them around and getting them involved and getting them

0:25:55 > 0:25:57to buy in and see what it is seems to have worked.

0:25:57 > 0:25:58And that's a credit to the workforce here.

0:25:58 > 0:26:02Are you supporting a management buyout?

0:26:02 > 0:26:05I want to see as many potential buyers as possible,

0:26:05 > 0:26:08and certainly the management team would be an attractive one.

0:26:08 > 0:26:10It's not all gloom and doom.

0:26:13 > 0:26:15Sit down, please.

0:26:15 > 0:26:18Growing up in the shadow of the steelworks today means facing

0:26:18 > 0:26:21uncertainties that might have surprised people

0:26:21 > 0:26:25like Richard Burton, Anthony Hopkins and Michael Sheen.

0:26:25 > 0:26:28OK, we're going to do When I Grow Up from Matilda.

0:26:28 > 0:26:30Who knows this one?

0:26:30 > 0:26:32Michael Sheen father's, Meyrick,

0:26:32 > 0:26:36chairs the local amateur operatic society.

0:26:36 > 0:26:39Its youth theatre rehearses every week.

0:26:41 > 0:26:44# I will be smart enough... #

0:26:44 > 0:26:47'Nine-year-old Neve McQuaide, herself the daughter

0:26:47 > 0:26:49'of a steelworker and, who knows,

0:26:49 > 0:26:51'perhaps Port Talbot's next Oscar-winner.

0:26:51 > 0:26:54'She certainly knows how to attract attention.'

0:26:54 > 0:26:57Let's see that bit.

0:26:57 > 0:26:59'She showed me the poster she'd made

0:26:59 > 0:27:01'campaigning against closing the works.

0:27:01 > 0:27:04'It went viral on the internet.'

0:27:04 > 0:27:07"I am scared that if the steelworks close, this town will be

0:27:07 > 0:27:08"worse than it is now,

0:27:08 > 0:27:11"and we need to make sure

0:27:11 > 0:27:14"that people have other jobs to go to."

0:27:14 > 0:27:17# When they hear oom-pah-pah! #

0:27:20 > 0:27:22Other jobs to go to?

0:27:22 > 0:27:24Who wouldn't want that?

0:27:24 > 0:27:29But the next generation relying on the same old industry -

0:27:29 > 0:27:31that's a different proposition.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36Right, final thought, final question.

0:27:36 > 0:27:39Can any of you imagine a Port Talbot without steel?

0:27:39 > 0:27:41- ALL:- No.

0:27:41 > 0:27:42- Definitely no.- None of you can?

0:27:42 > 0:27:45- No. - You asked what was special about it.

0:27:45 > 0:27:49And it's pride and passion. That is why I do it.

0:27:49 > 0:27:52I'm a fourth-generation steelworker myself.

0:27:52 > 0:27:54And if we let this go under,

0:27:54 > 0:27:58our forefathers now will never, ever forgive us.

0:27:58 > 0:28:00Never.

0:28:00 > 0:28:01APPLAUSE

0:28:05 > 0:28:08There's just five weeks left for any other buyers out there

0:28:08 > 0:28:12to get their bids in for Tata's British steel business.

0:28:13 > 0:28:16They'll be looking for more than pride and passion

0:28:16 > 0:28:18from their workforce.

0:28:18 > 0:28:20They'll be looking at the balance sheet.

0:28:20 > 0:28:24Whether there really is anything special about British steel

0:28:24 > 0:28:26depends on the bottom line.