0:00:06 > 0:00:10Segregation in Blackburn is increasing.We're here to stay,
0:00:10 > 0:00:16there's no point in running.They live in their areas and we live in
0:00:16 > 0:00:23our areas.Isolation, segregation, division.Never the twain shall
0:00:23 > 0:00:29meet.We've been here for generations, this is our country.
0:00:29 > 0:00:33All we want is our country back. Fear of the unknown is probably our
0:00:33 > 0:00:39biggest element.OK, why are you here?We need to move away from this
0:00:39 > 0:00:45stone age mentality.We have a divided country.20, 30 years,
0:00:45 > 0:00:51something's going to happen.They'll take over eventually.I think
0:00:51 > 0:00:57Blackburn will eventually become a completely Muslim Asian town.
0:00:57 > 0:01:07# Should I stay or should I go. Blackburn, Lancashire. A town with
0:01:07 > 0:01:12an identity crisis. There are many ethnic groups here,
0:01:12 > 0:01:18but, according to the latest Census, the two biggest are around 100,000
0:01:18 > 0:01:24white British people and roughly 40,000 Asians or British Asians,
0:01:24 > 0:01:28many of whom are Muslim. The question is, how well do they get
0:01:28 > 0:01:39along? Ten years ago, panorama made a
0:01:39 > 0:01:48programme in Blackburn posing that very question.
0:01:48 > 0:01:53very question. We met two minicab drivers, Mohammed Nawaz, whose taxi
0:01:53 > 0:01:57firm was staffed by all Asian drivers. And Ian Goodliffe, whose
0:01:57 > 0:02:04fellow cabbies were all white. This end is predominantly white. At
0:02:04 > 0:02:09the other end of town it's predominantly Asian.Mohammed had a
0:02:09 > 0:02:14similar story to tell.We're living two different lives here, aren't we?
0:02:14 > 0:02:19We're just going to grow apart and it's going to get worse.
0:02:19 > 0:02:25A decade on, Panorama has returned to see if that's the case.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29Ian now works as a delivery driver and still knows the town like the
0:02:29 > 0:02:33back of his hand. He showed us where he he felt the
0:02:33 > 0:02:40town was divided.These are sort of areas that you're talking about,
0:02:40 > 0:02:44about the integration getting less. When white people move out you can
0:02:44 > 0:02:52be more or less sure that an Asian is going to move in.
0:02:52 > 0:02:57Mohammed Nawaz still works as a local minicab driver.I think Muslim
0:02:57 > 0:03:03community has grown that much now, majority of areas are Asian, we're
0:03:03 > 0:03:10here to stay. We're not going to go anywhere, so, you know, there's no
0:03:10 > 0:03:17point in running. Ten years ago, we filmed a religious
0:03:17 > 0:03:22parade in the mainly Muslim Asian area Whalley Range.
0:03:22 > 0:03:26It's the anniversary of the birth of the prophet Mohammed but not
0:03:26 > 0:03:29everyone's cheering, some whites here feel they're being taken over.
0:03:29 > 0:03:35Morning.Morning.What do you think of it all?Rubbish.Rubbish.Why do
0:03:35 > 0:03:42you say thatIt is a lot of rubbish. Fast forward to today. The parade is
0:03:42 > 0:03:49significantly larger. Over a ten-year period, in this
0:03:49 > 0:03:57area, the white British population dropped by half.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00As a whole, Blackburn has a majority white British population. But over
0:04:00 > 0:04:11ten years their numbers fell by 10%. Ian Goodliffe's pub, The Bee Hive,
0:04:11 > 0:04:14is on the outskirts of Mill Hill, an area which is almost exclusively
0:04:14 > 0:04:22white. So, do the locals still fear a
0:04:22 > 0:04:26growing Muslim Asian population?I don't particularly have any fear
0:04:26 > 0:04:35whatsoever of either community, but a lot of people do.We're going to
0:04:35 > 0:04:39have a Muslim MP before very long and they'll take over eventually.
0:04:39 > 0:04:43They have their way of life, we have our way of life. We're laid back
0:04:43 > 0:04:50about it, they are not. And they're taking our culture bit by bit. There
0:04:50 > 0:04:54are 13,000 Asians in Blackburn, most of them come from villages in
0:04:54 > 0:04:57north-west India and Pakistan. They were encouraged to come here by the
0:04:57 > 0:05:02British Government in the late 50s and early 60s to work in the text
0:05:02 > 0:05:07file industry...Gradually ghettos are growing up in poorer parts of
0:05:07 > 0:05:11town. Since their arrival, racial tensions
0:05:11 > 0:05:17have been exploited by the far-right parties like the National Front.
0:05:17 > 0:05:23Do you want this country to become occupied by a load of Khaki coloured
0:05:23 > 0:05:31multiracial Bass trdz? Far right provocation was blamed for
0:05:31 > 0:05:37some of the violence that engulfed northern towns surrounding Blackburn
0:05:37 > 0:05:43in 2001, the worst race riots for a generation.
0:05:43 > 0:05:50Weeks of simmering racial tensions finally erupted last night as more
0:05:50 > 0:05:54than 500 Asian youths fight pitched battles with riot police.Professor
0:05:54 > 0:05:57Ted cantle was the Government advisor who wrote the report into
0:05:57 > 0:06:01the riots. We spoke to him ten years ago.Certainly the separation
0:06:01 > 0:06:06between communities was a factor in those riots. There was no trust, no
0:06:06 > 0:06:08understanding between the different communities.
0:06:08 > 0:06:12Has the problem of divided communities got better or worse
0:06:12 > 0:06:18since then?Segregation in Blackburn is increasing in residential terms,
0:06:18 > 0:06:23in school terms, probably in social terms as well. I think it has to be
0:06:23 > 0:06:27seen as a warning for all towns and cities in the UK. I think Blackburn
0:06:27 > 0:06:33feel that the focus shouldn't always be on them. . Actually, they are
0:06:33 > 0:06:36right, because statistics show that there are many other towns and
0:06:36 > 0:06:42cities where polarisation of populations is increasing.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46In just a decade, there was almost a four-fold increase in the number of
0:06:46 > 0:06:51areas with a non-white majority. So why have communities become so
0:06:51 > 0:07:01much more separated?
0:07:05 > 0:07:09Ten years ago, Jaffer Hussain was a student at Blackburn College. He
0:07:09 > 0:07:13told us that walking through the Muslim Asian area with a white
0:07:13 > 0:07:22female friend was met with hostility.
0:07:22 > 0:07:25He was determined to change attitudes and set up a youth group
0:07:25 > 0:07:31to bring people from both communities together.
0:07:31 > 0:07:36What percentage of young people in Blackburn would you say actually mix
0:07:36 > 0:07:41outside of school or college?Like 10%.So what's your views on having
0:07:41 > 0:07:45a relationship with someone who is not the same culture as you, what
0:07:45 > 0:07:50would your parents think?My mum would be more lenient. I feel
0:07:50 > 0:07:53another part of my family would be more, you shouldn't do that, you
0:07:53 > 0:07:57should stick to your own culture and religion, it fits into the family
0:07:57 > 0:08:02more. It's just everybody is still the same, you need to move away from
0:08:02 > 0:08:07this stone age mentality.So if you were to bring home an Asian
0:08:07 > 0:08:12boyfriend?Probably wouldn't go down too well.That fear of the unknown
0:08:12 > 0:08:17can only be broken down once you start to get to know people.
0:08:17 > 0:08:21Underneath the surface we are very, very similar. We are facing the same
0:08:21 > 0:08:25poverty levels, we are facing the same deprivation levels, we are
0:08:25 > 0:08:28facing the same employment issues so we really need to get past this fear
0:08:28 > 0:08:34of the unknown. Ten years ago, Gulistan Khan
0:08:34 > 0:08:38attempted to confront this fear head on by deliberately moving his young
0:08:38 > 0:08:43family from Whalley Range to a predominantly white part of
0:08:43 > 0:08:49Blackburn.It's there, I do know how it goes, you know!He introduced
0:08:49 > 0:08:53himself to his neighbours but didn't feel welcome.
0:08:53 > 0:08:59I find that they walk past me without even acknowledging that you
0:08:59 > 0:09:04were there, so I don't know. I find that a little odd.
0:09:04 > 0:09:09Since then, many of Gulistan's white neighbours have moved out of the
0:09:09 > 0:09:13area. And, over the last decade, he believes that attitudes towards
0:09:13 > 0:09:18British Muslims have changed dramatically.
0:09:18 > 0:09:24Arrested on suspicion of terror offences, we're live in Blackburn...
0:09:24 > 0:09:28All are described as Asian.It has a huge impact on the Muslims. We are
0:09:28 > 0:09:34having to apologise for others. This morning the police arrested a
0:09:34 > 0:09:3625-year-old man and began searching this property in Blackburn's Whalley
0:09:36 > 0:09:42Range. We've been here for generations in
0:09:42 > 0:09:48this country, this is our country. So why do we have to justify every
0:09:48 > 0:09:54time somebody calls out Allahu Akbar?
0:09:54 > 0:09:56One of the most contentious Government policies amongst
0:09:56 > 0:10:01Britain's Muslim community has been Prevent, part of the UK
0:10:01 > 0:10:06counterterror strategy. It was designed to identify potential
0:10:06 > 0:10:12home-grown terrorists. Until he retired, Commander Dal Babu was the
0:10:12 > 0:10:17highest ranking Muslim officer at the Metropolitan Police.
0:10:17 > 0:10:22People have called it a toxic brand. If you put toxic brand into Google,
0:10:22 > 0:10:26the first thing that comes up is the Government's Prevent strategy. It
0:10:26 > 0:10:33used to be Donald Trump. So something has gone very, very wrong.
0:10:33 > 0:10:38Gulistan says that members of his community resent being under
0:10:38 > 0:10:43suspicion.If you're under the microscope and the Home Office sees
0:10:43 > 0:10:48you as the culprits, it's not a good idea. But the Home Office could
0:10:48 > 0:10:54really do more in terms of education and asking directly at ground level
0:10:54 > 0:11:01what the problem is. How can they help?I have called for sometime now
0:11:01 > 0:11:06to have an independent review of Prevent, but there just seems to be
0:11:06 > 0:11:13an absolutely resistance to that from successive governments.
0:11:13 > 0:11:16Gulistan believes that the negative portrayal of Muslims by the media
0:11:16 > 0:11:21has had a significant impact on shaping attitudes towards his
0:11:21 > 0:11:28community. They're portraying Islam or Muslims
0:11:28 > 0:11:35as a bunch of terrorists.In 2011, the far-right English Defence League
0:11:35 > 0:11:42staged one of its biggest ever protests. 2,000 people marched
0:11:42 > 0:11:51through Blackburn town centre. I became involved in the EDL because
0:11:51 > 0:11:56in 2005 I was in charge of the emergency response unit at London
0:11:56 > 0:12:05Underground. We assisted the SO13s, which are the anti-terror squad, on
0:12:05 > 0:12:12removing bodies from the trapped train.In the wake of the 7/7
0:12:12 > 0:12:14attacks Martin Sculpher joined the organisation which went on to become
0:12:14 > 0:12:21the EDL. He is now a north-west regional organiser.I've cleaned up
0:12:21 > 0:12:25after Islam and I questioned why do they do it in the first place? We
0:12:25 > 0:12:32have got a serious problem in this country.I'm England until I die...
0:12:32 > 0:12:36We asked Martin Sculpher to respond to accusations that the EDL is a
0:12:36 > 0:12:42racist organisation.I find it quite insulting actually, to be called a
0:12:42 > 0:12:47racist. We oppose the radical side of Islam, the ideology of Islam,
0:12:47 > 0:12:51which is not racist. At the end of the day, they don't integrate and
0:12:51 > 0:12:58they certainly do not like us because we do not worship Islam.The
0:12:58 > 0:13:01way we have homogenised Muslim communities as being a bit of a
0:13:01 > 0:13:05disaster really, they're all somehow lumped together in the press and
0:13:05 > 0:13:09media eyes, in the eyes of the Prevent agenda. We've done very
0:13:09 > 0:13:16little to actually promote the views of people who disagree with that
0:13:16 > 0:13:24position.Nadia!Nadia Hussain winning the Bake Off competition
0:13:24 > 0:13:26probably has done more for Muslim British relations than ten years of
0:13:26 > 0:13:38Government policy. In 2015, Dame Louise Casey was asked
0:13:38 > 0:13:45by the Government to write a review into integration policy.We are
0:13:45 > 0:13:50living with the consequences of not managing migration and immigration
0:13:50 > 0:13:53effectively. We've done a bit of it, but we haven't been on it to the
0:13:53 > 0:14:01degree that we need to do so and I think we have a divided country.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04The Casey Review highlighted that over ten years the population of the
0:14:04 > 0:14:10UK rose by 4. 1 million, more than half of that the result of
0:14:10 > 0:14:16immigration. The report was published more than a year ago.
0:14:16 > 0:14:20Chukka Ummuna is the head of the all-party parliamentary group on
0:14:20 > 0:14:24social integration. He's concerned that lousise Casey's report has been
0:14:24 > 0:14:31I go anothered.It's definitely been put on -- has been ignored. It's
0:14:31 > 0:14:36definitely been put on the shelf in the too difficult, too hot to handle
0:14:36 > 0:14:39box, but longer we park this the more dangerous the atmosphere and
0:14:39 > 0:14:43environment will become.More than a year later Louise Casey still hasn't
0:14:43 > 0:14:46had a response from the Government. I am disappointed, which is why I
0:14:46 > 0:14:50think it's really good that Panorama is raising these issues again.
0:14:50 > 0:14:54They're not only around Blackburn, these are national issues that we
0:14:54 > 0:15:00ought to be able to talk
0:15:00 > 0:15:04Over the last decade, the issue that Blackburn's white British community
0:15:04 > 0:15:10has found hardest to talk about is the very visible social and
0:15:10 > 0:15:14demographic change taking place here.As non-drinking Muslims have
0:15:14 > 0:15:19moved into new areas of Blackburn, one after another, local pubs have
0:15:19 > 0:15:27closed down all together. Well, it used to be the Dog Inn. In
0:15:27 > 0:15:33pub. I think you did a piece on it the last time. What it is now, I'm
0:15:33 > 0:15:38not 100% sure, to be honest. Some sort of Islamic centre, but I don't
0:15:38 > 0:15:46know what, what it is. Any house in this area goes up for sale, it will,
0:15:46 > 0:15:51it's 100% that it will be an Asian that buys it.Mary, who lives
0:15:51 > 0:15:56opposite the former pub, now an Islamic community centre, is selling
0:15:56 > 0:16:03up after 28 years.It's just we're moving out. I just wondered iffing?
0:16:03 > 0:16:09Was eventually going to happenWhere from?Here.Who's buying it?A
0:16:09 > 0:16:16lovely couple.Dare I ask?We have not exchanged contracts.Their
0:16:16 > 0:16:23ethnicity?Yes they are.They are Asian?But it is the state of this T
0:16:23 > 0:16:28English is not the common language, unfortunately. We have really lovely
0:16:28 > 0:16:32neighbours, but we feel very, very uncomfortable. I think we stuck it
0:16:32 > 0:16:38out as long as we could do. I think Blackburn will eventually become a
0:16:38 > 0:16:44completely Muslim Asian town. The thing is, it seems to have been
0:16:44 > 0:16:52quite rapid. I think that is what frightens you a little bit.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55They would say, I'm living in a country that doesn't feel like mine
0:16:55 > 0:16:59any more. In some areas of that country, that is true. You know, I
0:16:59 > 0:17:02wrote in my report the pace and scale of immigration has possibly
0:17:02 > 0:17:06been too much. The Home Office were not happy with that language being
0:17:06 > 0:17:12used in my report. But I stuck with it because it's true.
0:17:12 > 0:17:16Some parts of the country have felt the effects of immigration more than
0:17:16 > 0:17:22others. It's been more or less a total close
0:17:22 > 0:17:27down in the Asian areas of pubs. Why's that?Because Asians don't
0:17:27 > 0:17:33drink.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39The nightclubs have shut and a lot of the pubs have shut. There's
0:17:39 > 0:17:48nothing going on. It's become like the Specials said - a ghost town.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54# This town, is becoming like a ghost town
0:17:54 > 0:17:59# All the clubs are being closed down
0:18:07 > 0:18:12But over on Whalley Range n the heart of the Muslim Asian area,
0:18:12 > 0:18:20business is booming.
0:18:23 > 0:18:28Arif Master opened his traditional spice tea shop three months ago.
0:18:28 > 0:18:32It's mainly busy in the evening. Probably from now until we close at
0:18:32 > 0:18:4011pm, you will find we will be getting loads of people coming in.
0:18:40 > 0:18:47For Asians, it's what you'd say night-time is like in the pub.
0:18:47 > 0:18:53Coming here is equivalent to this. While in the tea shop Nazir Musa, a
0:18:53 > 0:18:57former police officer, whose family are from India came over to speak to
0:18:57 > 0:18:58us.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05The mosques, the madrassases, the Islamic schools should be regulated.
0:19:05 > 0:19:09There is a lot going on in there which is breeding extremism. Nobody
0:19:09 > 0:19:14is picking that up.He's concerned that Blackburn's Muslim Asian
0:19:14 > 0:19:17community is becoming more insular and not making enough effort to
0:19:17 > 0:19:22integrate.In terms of integration and harmony in the Western world and
0:19:22 > 0:19:26England today, we should be integrated a lot more and I see
0:19:26 > 0:19:30little children, young girls, five, six years old going to the Islamic
0:19:30 > 0:19:35schools, which I disagree with. They're covered up. What's that all
0:19:35 > 0:19:40about?
0:19:40 > 0:19:45about?There are currently two million children from different
0:19:45 > 0:19:54religions being educated at state funded faith schools in England.
0:19:54 > 0:19:59Experts say they are a big obstacle to integration.I think the
0:19:59 > 0:20:02segregation of schools is the most difficult problem we face.
0:20:02 > 0:20:07Ironically it is probably about the easiest to fix because the reason we
0:20:07 > 0:20:12have segregated schools is because of public policy.When faith schools
0:20:12 > 0:20:15were first established they were allowed to determine their own
0:20:15 > 0:20:21admissions policy. In 2010, that changed. The Government decided that
0:20:21 > 0:20:25no new faith school could have more than 50% of its intake from any one
0:20:25 > 0:20:31faith.The problem is that we have thousands of existing faith schools
0:20:31 > 0:20:39who are not aadopting that policy and ignoring the spirit of the
0:20:39 > 0:20:44legislation entirely.Ten years ago, Gulistan Khan sent his children to
0:20:44 > 0:20:51the local school, to give them an opportunity to mix.Good boys.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55If the Government is not mixing them at an early stage, how can you
0:20:55 > 0:20:59expect people then to mix when they grow up? I remember when I was at
0:20:59 > 0:21:02school we used to be ferried from one end to the other to go to
0:21:02 > 0:21:10school. Why can't that be done now? Why can't the Government mix them on
0:21:10 > 0:21:17a proportional basis in schools?A school trip to meet strangers. But
0:21:17 > 0:21:21these children aren't off on a journey to France or to Germany,
0:21:21 > 0:21:26they're going to meet each other.In the original programme, Panorama
0:21:26 > 0:21:30filmed with Anjum Anwar, she led a ground-breaking initiative to bring
0:21:30 > 0:21:34local school children together.Then I will come to you and find out how
0:21:34 > 0:21:45much you know...The funding for her position ended. Today she teaches
0:21:45 > 0:21:51English to new immigrants and helps them how to learn to integrate into
0:21:51 > 0:21:56British society.Everybody feels we should live together. Do you have a
0:21:56 > 0:22:00question? $6 million question. Even the Prime
0:22:00 > 0:22:06Minister hasn't been able to tell us what that means. British values are
0:22:06 > 0:22:09democracy, rule of law, individual liberty and tolerance of other
0:22:09 > 0:22:13faiths. Do you have a question?
0:22:18 > 0:22:22Do I need to dress in a particular way? No, British values does not
0:22:22 > 0:22:28mean that you have to forget your identity. They feel that you can
0:22:28 > 0:22:33only be British if you give up being who you are. That's not the case.
0:22:33 > 0:22:39But they need to feel, I can live in the United Kingdom, I can wear my
0:22:39 > 0:22:44headscarf or my veil, I can eat my chicken curries and I can still live
0:22:44 > 0:22:49peacefully. One of the most divisive cultural
0:22:49 > 0:22:54issues affecting integration has been the wearing of the niqab or the
0:22:54 > 0:22:59full face veil.
0:22:59 > 0:23:04One of our local cabbies says he's noticed a dramatic increase over the
0:23:04 > 0:23:11last decade.I think there's been like a 60% increase, so, yeah, you
0:23:11 > 0:23:17know, they want to wear a veil, yeah, good for them.I have y et to
0:23:17 > 0:23:22meet any single woman or girl who said to me, I wear it because I am
0:23:22 > 0:23:27forced to do it. What is the question?
0:23:29 > 0:23:35Interesting. Many of her students wear the veil
0:23:35 > 0:23:38and have experienced hostility from local people.
0:23:44 > 0:23:49I'm sorry.
0:23:52 > 0:23:58Thank you. That has really upset you, hasn't it?Yes.Let me get you
0:23:58 > 0:24:04a hanky. It creates a separateness between you and them. They want to
0:24:04 > 0:24:09feel comfortable within themselves. Is that really so wrong? Is it
0:24:09 > 0:24:15terribly wrong?People dress head to foot in black and we can't see their
0:24:15 > 0:24:19faces, it's just difficult for us as a culture. There's no way around it.
0:24:19 > 0:24:22And when that is happening at significant volume we're
0:24:22 > 0:24:28uncomfortable with it. If a man walked in here in a balaclava I
0:24:28 > 0:24:32would be uncomfortable with it. Muslim women wearing the headscarf
0:24:32 > 0:24:39or veil are often a target for abuse. Last year, there were nearly
0:24:39 > 0:24:4263,000 reported race hate crimes in England and Wales. And in
0:24:42 > 0:24:47Lancashire, during the same period, which included the Brexit
0:24:47 > 0:24:52referendum, reported race hate crime went up by one-third.There was a
0:24:52 > 0:25:01spike in hate crime incidents in the wake of that referendum. And
0:25:04 > 0:25:05wake of that referendum. And that is something we cannot ignore. We are
0:25:05 > 0:25:10going through a period of profound economic change and history teaches
0:25:10 > 0:25:15us that when society is disrupted through change, particularly
0:25:15 > 0:25:21economic change and financial crisis, there is a big danger that
0:25:21 > 0:25:27the extremes on all sides step in to the vacuum to sow the seeds of
0:25:27 > 0:25:35mistrust and hatred and we are at that point right now.
0:25:35 > 0:25:42If lack of integration is a national crisis, what's to be done about it?
0:25:42 > 0:25:47Sunday morning at Blackburn playing fields. An all-white team is playing
0:25:47 > 0:25:53an all-Asian one. For children and parents, alike, it is one of the few
0:25:53 > 0:26:01opportunities they have to interact. Come on, keep going...I just think
0:26:01 > 0:26:06it is important for them to be able to appreciate other cultures, other
0:26:06 > 0:26:10communities and not be afraid of the other, which is how we get perceived
0:26:10 > 0:26:16often.I think it is an excellent thing. They should mix all the time.
0:26:16 > 0:26:20They are kids at the end of the day. They don't know different from
0:26:20 > 0:26:25anything else. They should be mixing.
0:26:25 > 0:26:29There have been more bridge-building activities between communities, more
0:26:29 > 0:26:32attempts at socialisation, playing sport together. Unfortunately,
0:26:32 > 0:26:39nowhere near enough. So, we do have to, in my view, reset the
0:26:39 > 0:26:42relationship with Muslim communities. And there seems to be
0:26:42 > 0:26:48little attempt to tackle that issue. The Government declined to be
0:26:48 > 0:26:53interviewed for this programme. They told Panorama that their new
0:26:53 > 0:26:58integration strategy will be published shortly. Both Blackburn's
0:26:58 > 0:27:06MP and the leader of the council also declined to take part. In a
0:27:06 > 0:27:11statement, the council said: Blackburn is a town on the up. Our
0:27:11 > 0:27:15diversity is a big strength for us. We fully acknowledge that there is
0:27:15 > 0:27:21segregation of communities in terms of where people live, building links
0:27:21 > 0:27:28between communities continues to be a priority.
0:27:28 > 0:27:33Ten years on from when they were first filmed by Panorama, Ian and
0:27:33 > 0:27:38Mohammed, our two cabbies, meet up on the bridge that links their
0:27:38 > 0:27:47communities.Oh, hello.You OK?Yes. Yes.
0:27:47 > 0:27:50So, what do you think - has anything changed on your side?No. Not at
0:27:50 > 0:27:58all. Not at all.Nothing?No. No. As you say, we are integrating less
0:27:58 > 0:28:03than we were before.Do you know why that is?Well, there's only one
0:28:03 > 0:28:09reason - isn't there? Racism. There's a big divide?There is. We
0:28:09 > 0:28:13don't socialise together, do we?See what happens, the next ten years.
0:28:13 > 0:28:21That's right. Might be coming back in ten years, hey!Yeah.To do
0:28:21 > 0:28:25another one... If I'm still around. OK then. Take care. Lovely to see
0:28:25 > 0:28:31you.And you.Goodbye.