Paxman on Trump v Clinton: Divided America

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0:00:08 > 0:00:14Abraham Lincoln was the greatest president America ever had. He was

0:00:15 > 0:00:18earnest. He was a bit socially awkward, but he was visionary and he

0:00:19 > 0:00:27was heroic and he earned the respect of the world. Where are the heroes

0:00:28 > 0:00:31now? Whatever happens in November's presidential election, the winner

0:00:32 > 0:00:39will be one of the two least popular candidates of all time. What on

0:00:40 > 0:00:46earth has happened to a truly great democracy that the choice is so

0:00:47 > 0:00:53awful? $5 trillion... But you have no plan. Oh, rbg oh, but I do. The

0:00:54 > 0:00:59supporters of Clinton and Trump agree on only one thing: How

0:01:00 > 0:01:04unspeakable the other candidate is. I think that Hillary Clinton is a

0:01:05 > 0:01:09terribly dangerous person. He should never be entrusted with the button.

0:01:10 > 0:01:15One is alleged to have risked national security. The FBI says

0:01:16 > 0:01:19there were 110 classified e-mails exchanged, eight of which were top

0:01:20 > 0:01:23secret. The other is accused of multiple sexual assaults. You

0:01:24 > 0:01:28describe kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals.

0:01:29 > 0:01:31That is sexual assault. Is either fit for office? It's just awfully

0:01:32 > 0:01:35good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not

0:01:36 > 0:01:44in charge of the law in our country. Because you'd be in jail.

0:01:45 > 0:01:48This year's presidential election has shaped up rather like a reality

0:01:49 > 0:01:53television contest. Has something gone seriously wrong with American

0:01:54 > 0:01:59politics? Could a Donald Trump presidency really happen? I hope,

0:02:00 > 0:02:03for God sake, my country, he's not the president of the United States.

0:02:04 > 0:02:06I'm not going to sit on national television and tell you he can't.

0:02:07 > 0:02:13Under President Trump, here's what would happen: On November 8, the

0:02:14 > 0:02:16people of America get to decide who's fired and who's hired for the

0:02:17 > 0:02:20White House. How has it come to this? And what does the choice

0:02:21 > 0:02:21they're being offered tell us about the state of the most powerful

0:02:22 > 0:02:36nation on earth? It's a contest for the biggest job

0:02:37 > 0:02:42in the world. So you wouldn't expect this to happen. I better use some

0:02:43 > 0:02:46Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm

0:02:47 > 0:02:52automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It's

0:02:53 > 0:02:56like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star

0:02:57 > 0:03:01they let you do it. You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab

0:03:02 > 0:03:05them by the pussy. You can do anything you want. The world was

0:03:06 > 0:03:11revolted, yet the Donald is still in the race. I was getting beaten up by

0:03:12 > 0:03:14all the networks. If they want to release more tapes saying

0:03:15 > 0:03:18inappropriate things, we'll continue to talk about Bill and Hillary

0:03:19 > 0:03:21Clinton doing inappropriate thing. Hillary Clinton's been mistrusted

0:03:22 > 0:03:25for years. You can tell the Egyptian Prime Minister it's a terrorist

0:03:26 > 0:03:30attack, but you can't tell your own people? Not to mention being the

0:03:31 > 0:03:34first female serious contender and married to a man who was almost

0:03:35 > 0:03:41thrown out of the White House in a sex scandal. I did not have sexual

0:03:42 > 0:03:45relations with that woman. How things have changed in just eight

0:03:46 > 0:03:50years, remember when Obama was a rock star singing a song of hope. At

0:03:51 > 0:04:00this defining moment, change has come to America.

0:04:01 > 0:04:07So how has this whole mess happened? There's a man in Washington who

0:04:08 > 0:04:13knows how presidents are made. He got Obama into the White House, not

0:04:14 > 0:04:18once, but twice, and helped David Cameron win a surprise Conservative

0:04:19 > 0:04:21victory last year, Jim Messina is one of America's most savvy

0:04:22 > 0:04:28strategist. This is a very unusual campaign. Yeah, it's an

0:04:29 > 0:04:31unprecedented campaign. We elected President Obama in 2008, we thought

0:04:32 > 0:04:36that was the most unbelievable campaign. This has broken all sort

0:04:37 > 0:04:40of typical norms that you would expect from a political campaign.

0:04:41 > 0:04:45No-one thought a year ago that Donald Trump would be the Republican

0:04:46 > 0:04:51nominee to the White House. I spent two years of my life praying for him

0:04:52 > 0:04:56to become the Republican nominee... Because that's who you wanted as the

0:04:57 > 0:04:59enemy? Absolutely. Because I thought he was the single easiest person to

0:05:00 > 0:05:04beat. We're about to find out whether that's true.

0:05:05 > 0:05:08Turned out getting and maintaining a lead over Trump has been harder than

0:05:09 > 0:05:14expected. Donald Trump taking the lead in some swing state polls... It

0:05:15 > 0:05:19should have been easy for Hillary. Why has he controlled so much of the

0:05:20 > 0:05:23narrative? He's the single best social media campaigner of a

0:05:24 > 0:05:27generation. He controlled the narrative on Twitter and on social

0:05:28 > 0:05:32media and by having an absolute mastery of the press. He ran his own

0:05:33 > 0:05:39reality show for years. He understands how to do this in a way

0:05:40 > 0:05:43that is unprecedented. The press has been largely hostile, hasn't it?

0:05:44 > 0:05:46Give me a break. They love him. At the beginning, it was great fun..

0:05:47 > 0:05:50Was a reality show. He was the only interesting thing. He was running

0:05:51 > 0:05:56against a bunch of not very exciting characters and sometimes being the

0:05:57 > 0:06:00tallest dwarf is OK. The problem is - what if actually the tallest dwarf

0:06:01 > 0:06:05gets elected president of the United States? If you could give a round of

0:06:06 > 0:06:09applause to our two nominees Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. And

0:06:10 > 0:06:14opposing the tallest dwarf for the job of the world's most powerful

0:06:15 > 0:06:20human is a woman her critics call an establishment puppet. This election

0:06:21 > 0:06:24is ripe for paradias -- parody as the makers of Avenue Q have

0:06:25 > 0:06:29discovered. I don't know why people are so interested in my e-mails.

0:06:30 > 0:06:33That's the problem. That's the problem. She says one thing and then

0:06:34 > 0:06:39she says another thing. She flip flops. She's a flip flopper. She's a

0:06:40 > 0:06:44liar. Jen Bender directed the show. When we were coming up for the

0:06:45 > 0:06:48script for this event, Trump is so easy to parody because he's like a

0:06:49 > 0:06:53puppet himself. He just says what he thinks. He has so many things easy

0:06:54 > 0:06:59to grab onto - it's huge, it's fabulous. I'm wondering what is your

0:07:00 > 0:07:07stance on gay marriage? Well, it took me some time to get there, but

0:07:08 > 0:07:12I am all for same-sex marriages and I hope every one of your gay

0:07:13 > 0:07:15fantasies come true. Hillary Clinton was harder because she doesn't have

0:07:16 > 0:07:21the go-to, you know the Sarah Palin voice that can be easily mimicked.

0:07:22 > 0:07:27Donald Trump gives it all to us. Marriage should be between a man and

0:07:28 > 0:07:32a woman, a beautiful, younger woman, usually with an accent. Thank you so

0:07:33 > 0:07:41much. Thank you for coming. So what was the start of this race to the

0:07:42 > 0:07:45bottom... Sorry to the White House. This, the federal election

0:07:46 > 0:07:49commission headquarters is where the race officially began. On June 22

0:07:50 > 0:07:59last year, someone handed in a paper in the name of candidate P 81571,

0:08:00 > 0:08:02Donald J Trump. Hillary Clinton filed her application two months

0:08:03 > 0:08:08previously. They joined a list of hundreds of other names. Amazingly

0:08:09 > 0:08:12Trump's wasn't the most ridiculous. There's a raft of attention-seeking

0:08:13 > 0:08:18half wits who thought they could become president of the United

0:08:19 > 0:08:25States. They include: Ghost of macho man Randy Savage, moose the dog, bye

0:08:26 > 0:08:31the clown, Sydney's voluptuous buttocks and the right honourable

0:08:32 > 0:08:37Boris de Pfeffel Johnson MP, whose slogan was apparently, let's make

0:08:38 > 0:08:42America great... Britain again. Neither candidate was fresh to the

0:08:43 > 0:08:48fight. Hillary threw her hat into the ring in 2008, when Barack Obama

0:08:49 > 0:08:52beat her to the nomination as the Democratic party's candidate. I

0:08:53 > 0:09:02endorse him and throw my full support behind him. The Donald first

0:09:03 > 0:09:08considered running back in 1988. Then he thought, if that's the right

0:09:09 > 0:09:14word, about it again in 1999, when in true Trump style he announced it

0:09:15 > 0:09:18live on a chat show. So I am going to form a presidential exploratory

0:09:19 > 0:09:24committee, I might as well announce it on your show, everyone else does.

0:09:25 > 0:09:29He was talked about as a Republican candidate for 2012. But Obama

0:09:30 > 0:09:34slapped him down at a Washington gala and Trump took his ambitions no

0:09:35 > 0:09:38further. All kidding aside, obviously we all know about your

0:09:39 > 0:09:41credentials and breadth of experience...

0:09:42 > 0:09:45LAUGHTER Say what you will about Mr Trump, he

0:09:46 > 0:09:52certainly would bring some change to the White House. Let's see what

0:09:53 > 0:09:57we've got up there. Back then it was a gag in an after-dinner speech. But

0:09:58 > 0:10:03no-one's laughing now at the idea of a Donald Trump White House. Of

0:10:04 > 0:10:09course, there has been a celebrity in the Oval Office before. Would you

0:10:10 > 0:10:14come and meet my father captain? I'd be delighted. Is he in the

0:10:15 > 0:10:18government service? Yes, but I think he'll lose his job in the next

0:10:19 > 0:10:22election. That's too bad. He should be in the Army, politics don't

0:10:23 > 0:10:25bother us. Ronald Reagan was a winning combination of Hollywood

0:10:26 > 0:10:32glamour and eight years of experience as governor of

0:10:33 > 0:10:38California. In 1980 he won the presidency by a land slide, elected

0:10:39 > 0:10:44on a rather familiar slogan. We will make America great again. Thank you

0:10:45 > 0:10:51very much. And he became a hero to the American right. He was a lot

0:10:52 > 0:11:00more modern and more of a pragmatist than a lot of people gave him a

0:11:01 > 0:11:05credit for. Trent Lott was at Reagan's side. He had a different

0:11:06 > 0:11:09background. He was sneered at by the media, this movie star could never

0:11:10 > 0:11:12be president of America. Probably one of the best presidents, top

0:11:13 > 0:11:17five, in the history of this country. Do you think that Donald

0:11:18 > 0:11:23Trump has the ability to be a Ronald Reagan? I don't know of anybody

0:11:24 > 0:11:29could be a Ronald Reagan. Is there similarity with Trump? How would he

0:11:30 > 0:11:33really perform? Does he have credentials that maybe are the right

0:11:34 > 0:11:38ones for the moment? Are you even sure that Trump's a Republican? No.

0:11:39 > 0:11:43How's he got the Republican nomination? Because he has a message

0:11:44 > 0:11:49that has tapped into the concerns, fears and anger of the American

0:11:50 > 0:11:54people. So you'll vote Trump. I'm for Trump, yeah, sure. As the lesser

0:11:55 > 0:11:56of two evils? I hate to put it that way, but you know, neither one of

0:11:57 > 0:12:18them are very popular. Ronald Reagan walked off the silver

0:12:19 > 0:12:23screen and into the White House. Donald Trump de scended his golden

0:12:24 > 0:12:29escalator in the modestly named Trump Tower. While Reagan launched a

0:12:30 > 0:12:36charm offensive, Trump was just, well, offensive. They're bringing

0:12:37 > 0:12:45drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume,

0:12:46 > 0:12:49are good people. Businesses and organisations cut ties with him and

0:12:50 > 0:12:53it seemed his campaign might be over before it had even begun. The

0:12:54 > 0:12:59Republican establishment kept its distance. Trump didn't care. He was

0:13:00 > 0:13:05paying his own way. I'm using my own money. I'm not using the lobbyists.

0:13:06 > 0:13:10I'm not using donors. I don't care. I'm really rich. Then something that

0:13:11 > 0:13:18no-one expected to happen did, the man who started out as the jackass

0:13:19 > 0:13:22candidate began drawing the crowds. Turns out not being a politician

0:13:23 > 0:13:26wasn't a problem. It was his best asset. I am so tired of this

0:13:27 > 0:13:42politically correct crap. Larry Pratt is a conservative

0:13:43 > 0:13:48activist and heads the Gun Owners of America lobby group. What is it that

0:13:49 > 0:13:54Trump has put his finger upon that makes him electable potentially? The

0:13:55 > 0:14:01political class does seem to operate apart from the rest of the country.

0:14:02 > 0:14:06I believe that's what he may be playing into and why with all his

0:14:07 > 0:14:15gaffes and all the other problems with his campaign, he seems to be

0:14:16 > 0:14:19continuing to march toward victory. One of his more spectacular gaffes,

0:14:20 > 0:14:23when he seemed to suggest that supporters of the Second Amendment,

0:14:24 > 0:14:27gun lovers, take a pot shot at Hillary Clinton. If she gets to pick

0:14:28 > 0:14:35her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although, the second

0:14:36 > 0:14:40amendment people maybe there is. I don't know. Isn't it embarrassing

0:14:41 > 0:14:45when you can get someone running for president using the sort of language

0:14:46 > 0:14:51he has used, for example the implied threat to the life of Hillary

0:14:52 > 0:14:56Clinton? Well, if we were concerned about being embarrassed, we wouldn't

0:14:57 > 0:15:01be involved with politics. I don't think Donald Trump implied or was

0:15:02 > 0:15:04thinking about any personal threat to Hillary Clinton, although I

0:15:05 > 0:15:11realise for her, losing the election is the same as dying. Who do you

0:15:12 > 0:15:18want to win? Well, of the two, I would prefer Donald Trump. I'm not

0:15:19 > 0:15:23enthusiastic about him. But I'm reminded of the cowboy legend that

0:15:24 > 0:15:28when you're fighting off a wild dog, and all you've got available is a

0:15:29 > 0:15:32crooked stick to use, you grab the crooked stick.

0:15:33 > 0:15:39Trump began as the rank ? very rank ? outsider

0:15:40 > 0:15:45for the Republican nomination. He faced 16 rivals.

0:15:46 > 0:15:49But he dispatched them with withering put-downs,

0:15:50 > 0:15:54especially "low-energy" Jeb Bush, presumed heir to a political

0:15:55 > 0:15:56dynasty, who didn't even make it into the final four.

0:15:57 > 0:16:02Excuse me... One second...

0:16:03 > 0:16:06More energy tonight, I like that. Many conservatives still thought

0:16:07 > 0:16:09he was a spiv wearing spray-tan Republicanism.

0:16:10 > 0:16:20But his showmanship won over the primary voters,

0:16:21 > 0:16:24who handed Trump the nomination. It is my honour to be able to throw

0:16:25 > 0:16:30Donald Trump over the top in the delegate count tonight.

0:16:31 > 0:16:33Congratulations, Dad, we love you! Over the top, indeed.

0:16:34 > 0:16:41Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton was struggling.

0:16:42 > 0:16:46She'd acquired a Trump nickname of her own - "Crooked Hillary".

0:16:47 > 0:16:50But her immediate problem was an elderly socialist,

0:16:51 > 0:16:52Bernie Sanders. It's crooked Hillary Clinton

0:16:53 > 0:16:57against the communists. Who the hell?

0:16:58 > 0:16:59Are these guys crazy? "The Bern" wants to abolish

0:17:00 > 0:17:03the death penalty and believes that climate change causes terrorism.

0:17:04 > 0:17:05His main pitch to voters was to soak the rich.

0:17:06 > 0:17:09Pinkos like that don't normally stand a chance in the US.

0:17:10 > 0:17:11But Hillary managed to make him hard to beat.

0:17:12 > 0:17:14But her left wing rival Bernie Sanders inflicted a shock

0:17:15 > 0:17:19defeat in Michigan, supposedly a Clinton stronghold...

0:17:20 > 0:17:22Was there a candidate at any point in this presidential

0:17:23 > 0:17:26campaign that you felt you could identify with?

0:17:27 > 0:17:29Absolutely. Bernie Sanders.

0:17:30 > 0:17:33Cassandra Fairbanks is a social media journalist.

0:17:34 > 0:17:37One of a new generation for whom policies and personalities

0:17:38 > 0:17:39are more important than parties. Bernie Sanders didn't get

0:17:40 > 0:17:45the nomination, of course. No, he did not, tragically.

0:17:46 > 0:17:50He was far too left wing for mainstream politics in this

0:17:51 > 0:17:53country, wasn't he? Tragic. He would have been

0:17:54 > 0:17:57wonderful. So who are you going to vote for?

0:17:58 > 0:17:58I'm going to be voting for Donald Trump.

0:17:59 > 0:18:01You're going to vote for Donald Trump?

0:18:02 > 0:18:04I am. Erm, yeah, OK, there's a word

0:18:05 > 0:18:08for people like you. It's mad.

0:18:09 > 0:18:11Well, I think that Hillary Clinton is a terribly dangerous person.

0:18:12 > 0:18:13I think that the Clinton Foundation and a lot of the deals that

0:18:14 > 0:18:17were made during her time at the State Department

0:18:18 > 0:18:24are deserving of side-eye at best and terrifying at worst.

0:18:25 > 0:18:28It says something about Hillary Clinton when Bernie

0:18:29 > 0:18:32supporters would rather switch to The Donald than to her.

0:18:33 > 0:18:39Clinton's unpopularity sometimes baffles the British.

0:18:40 > 0:18:47But Hillary-haters have plenty to point to.

0:18:48 > 0:18:52You know, to just be grossly generalistic,

0:18:53 > 0:18:57you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call

0:18:58 > 0:19:03the basket of deplorables. Right?

0:19:04 > 0:19:08The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -

0:19:09 > 0:19:14you name it. They claim she's cold.

0:19:15 > 0:19:19Untrustworthy. Elitist.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22Warmongering. And above all, power-hungry.

0:19:23 > 0:19:27Clinton wants to be powerful, Trump wants to be popular.

0:19:28 > 0:19:29And because he wants to be popular, I think that he'll do things that

0:19:30 > 0:19:32have popular support over necessarily going with his party.

0:19:33 > 0:19:36Are there lots of people who feel like you?

0:19:37 > 0:19:39People aren't sticking to party lines the way they did before.

0:19:40 > 0:19:42Erm, I think people want more options.

0:19:43 > 0:19:45I mean, we have 51 candidates for Miss America and then we have

0:19:46 > 0:19:50two choices for president. It's a terrible choice.

0:19:51 > 0:19:53It may be, but unfortunately we only have two terrible choices.

0:19:54 > 0:19:57Our third parties aren't even that great.

0:19:58 > 0:20:00We have Jill Stein, who will probably try and heal

0:20:01 > 0:20:06the economy with crystals and is polling worse

0:20:07 > 0:20:09than a dead gorilla. And then we have Gary Johnson,

0:20:10 > 0:20:12who said that nobody got hurt in the bombing the other day

0:20:13 > 0:20:19and didn't know what Aleppo was. I mean, we're out of good options.

0:20:20 > 0:20:26Scepticism about the calibre of politicians is nothing new.

0:20:27 > 0:20:31Among the thousands who've turned to dust in this Baltimore cemetery

0:20:32 > 0:20:36lies one of the most peppery journalists America ever produced -

0:20:37 > 0:20:39HL Mencken. He's a bit of a personal hero.

0:20:40 > 0:20:48Mencken watched plenty of presidential races and observed

0:20:49 > 0:20:52that "one great and glorious day, the plain folks of America

0:20:53 > 0:20:56will reach their heart's desire, and the White House will be adorned

0:20:57 > 0:21:00by a downright moron". He thought he was joking,

0:21:01 > 0:21:04but if you listen very carefully, down there, you can hear

0:21:05 > 0:21:06something spinning. Mencken spoke those

0:21:07 > 0:21:10words a century ago. So, why is it NOW that

0:21:11 > 0:21:17they could come true? Jocelyn Kiley is a top poll

0:21:18 > 0:21:19analyst, with some answers. One of the questions that we ask,

0:21:20 > 0:21:22and have asked fairly regularly in our polling,

0:21:23 > 0:21:26is whether you're satisfied with the choice of candidates.

0:21:27 > 0:21:30And we've tracked near record low levels of satisfaction

0:21:31 > 0:21:33with the two candidates. What we find is that many,

0:21:34 > 0:21:36many Americans say that the candidates would make poor

0:21:37 > 0:21:39or terrible presidents, and few Americans would say that

0:21:40 > 0:21:44either candidate would make a good or a great president.

0:21:45 > 0:21:49The researchers don't just ask what people think

0:21:50 > 0:21:52and how they'll vote. They want to know how

0:21:53 > 0:21:54they look at the world. And that's thrown up one profound

0:21:55 > 0:22:00difference between Trump and Clinton voters.

0:22:01 > 0:22:03One of the questions that we ask is about whether life

0:22:04 > 0:22:07is better for people like you than it was 50 years ago.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11And the clear majority of 60% of Clinton supporters say

0:22:12 > 0:22:16it is better, and 81% of Trump supporters say that life is worse

0:22:17 > 0:22:20today than it was for people like them 50 years ago.

0:22:21 > 0:22:25You do see this evidence that perhaps Clinton and Trump voters not

0:22:26 > 0:22:27just have different policy preferences, but also have different

0:22:28 > 0:22:30visions of America today, America in the past,

0:22:31 > 0:22:44America in the future. The question of what or

0:22:45 > 0:22:49who is "America" lies at the heart of this election.

0:22:50 > 0:22:53This is still the richest economy in the world,

0:22:54 > 0:22:56and yet many Americans feel they're barely making ends meet.

0:22:57 > 0:23:03Furthermore, they think the political elite not only

0:23:04 > 0:23:06doesn't care about them, but doesn't even understand them.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09That's making their loyalties hard to predict.

0:23:10 > 0:23:13Jobs are going overseas, this is nuts.

0:23:14 > 0:23:17I'm a college student, I mean, that's one of my biggest worries,

0:23:18 > 0:23:22like, you know, there won't be any jobs, right?

0:23:23 > 0:23:24This is the state of Virginia. In the last four presidential

0:23:25 > 0:23:28elections, it's gone Republican twice and Democrat twice.

0:23:29 > 0:23:34If Trump can't win here, he's in big trouble.

0:23:35 > 0:23:37In 2012, the Democrats won Virginia with 51.16% of the vote.

0:23:38 > 0:23:41They did that by having four times as much voter contact.

0:23:42 > 0:23:44That means door to door. But all of us doing this at the same

0:23:45 > 0:23:51time all across Virginia? This is how we win.

0:23:52 > 0:23:55See you back round here at 1:30! You'd think these campaigners

0:23:56 > 0:24:04would be die-hard Trump supporters. But it's not that straightforward.

0:24:05 > 0:24:07I don't like either candidate. In the past, I volunteered

0:24:08 > 0:24:10for Hillary Clinton, and worked her '08 campaigns.

0:24:11 > 0:24:14But right now, I'm very saddened about her.

0:24:15 > 0:24:17The bell rang. The bell rang on, whatever

0:24:18 > 0:24:24that statement was, that "deplorables" statement.

0:24:25 > 0:24:27I want to get America back again. Armed with a campaign phone app

0:24:28 > 0:24:30to track their progress, trainer John and his

0:24:31 > 0:24:37new recruit Rose set out to gather information.

0:24:38 > 0:24:41Can I ask who you're voting for? I don't wanna say who I'd vote for,

0:24:42 > 0:24:54I'm more a Democrat voter right now. But to be honest with ya,

0:24:55 > 0:25:01I don't want neither one of them! Click on Antonio,

0:25:02 > 0:25:04no answer at door, we go back because there were two targeted

0:25:05 > 0:25:08voters, we click on Amanda, no answer at door, we put the little

0:25:09 > 0:25:11check mark by the house and proceed to the next one, looks like it's

0:25:12 > 0:25:15across the street, No 5... I mean, I think we know

0:25:16 > 0:25:19what his answer's gonna be. But still...

0:25:20 > 0:25:23This is a middle-class, racially diverse neighbourhood.

0:25:24 > 0:25:28And perhaps surprisingly, many of its residents are giving

0:25:29 > 0:25:30Trump's message a hearing. The people who are leaning,

0:25:31 > 0:25:34it's astonishing. Didn't expect that.

0:25:35 > 0:25:40Most people, they're afraid to admit they're for Trump.

0:25:41 > 0:25:44Our next President, do you believe they should continue the same

0:25:45 > 0:25:47direction as Barack Obama or change course?

0:25:48 > 0:25:52Change course. Trump has quiet supporters here.

0:25:53 > 0:25:57Some think their backing could yet help him take the White House.

0:25:58 > 0:26:00I have three four-year degrees and two of them are in the field

0:26:01 > 0:26:04of business and economics. I really like what he's offering.

0:26:05 > 0:26:15He's coming on board with a lot of things.

0:26:16 > 0:26:19I like his economic policy. Rose isn't alone in admiring

0:26:20 > 0:26:22Donald Trump's business savvy. And he's put it front and centre

0:26:23 > 0:26:31in his pitch for the presidency. I have a great company.

0:26:32 > 0:26:34I have a tremendous income. And the reason I say that is not

0:26:35 > 0:26:37in a braggadocious way. It's because it's about time

0:26:38 > 0:26:43that this country had somebody running it that has

0:26:44 > 0:26:45an idea about money. Property is the cornerstone

0:26:46 > 0:26:48of the Trump myth. He owns Trump Tower,

0:26:49 > 0:26:51Trump International Hotel, Trump Palace, the Trump Building

0:26:52 > 0:26:56on Wall Street, Trump Place... You get the idea.

0:26:57 > 0:26:59His mogul reputation brought TV producers knocking.

0:27:00 > 0:27:03And with The Apprentice, a legend was born.

0:27:04 > 0:27:08You're all fired. All four are fired.

0:27:09 > 0:27:13Go home. Go home.

0:27:14 > 0:27:19But that wasn't the first time Trump got to sound off

0:27:20 > 0:27:23about his business brilliance. Before the TV show,

0:27:24 > 0:27:25there was the book. The Art Of The Deal appeared

0:27:26 > 0:27:30in 1987, after Trump Tower was completed.

0:27:31 > 0:27:33It spent a year on the bestseller list. It's got some terrific lines.

0:27:34 > 0:27:42"Controversy sells." "The way I promote is bravado.

0:27:43 > 0:27:48I play to people's fantasies." "A little hyperbole never hurts."

0:27:49 > 0:27:51And then, prophetically, "My time will come." But my

0:27:52 > 0:27:55favourite line of all is that of the Washington Post

0:27:56 > 0:28:00reviewer, who said... "The man's lack of taste is as vast

0:28:01 > 0:28:04as his lack of shame." Trump's ego may be tremendous,

0:28:05 > 0:28:10but his critics say his tax bill certainly isn't.

0:28:11 > 0:28:15He's the only presidential candidate for four decades not

0:28:16 > 0:28:19to release his tax returns. Maybe he doesn't want the American

0:28:20 > 0:28:23people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid

0:28:24 > 0:28:26nothing in federal taxes, because the only years that

0:28:27 > 0:28:28anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them

0:28:29 > 0:28:33over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino

0:28:34 > 0:28:40license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. So...

0:28:41 > 0:28:45That makes me smart. That line would finish off

0:28:46 > 0:28:50any regular politician. Not The Donald. But his tax bill

0:28:51 > 0:28:56isn't the only thing that's being questioned. Rumours also swirl about

0:28:57 > 0:29:01how good a businessman he really is. Trump started out

0:29:02 > 0:29:05backed by family money. Through the '80s, he amassed

0:29:06 > 0:29:09a high-rolling real-estate empire. And in 1990, he opened his most

0:29:10 > 0:29:15ambitious venture yet - the Trump Taj Mahal

0:29:16 > 0:29:18in Atlantic City. Donald Trump gave Michael Jackson

0:29:19 > 0:29:22a personal tour of his $1.2 billion extravaganza.

0:29:23 > 0:29:25We had Michael at the Taj Mahal. He's my friend, he's

0:29:26 > 0:29:29a tremendous talent, and it's really my honour.

0:29:30 > 0:29:33With revenue topping $37 million a month,

0:29:34 > 0:29:38Donald's biggest gamble is turning up aces.

0:29:39 > 0:29:51But the gamble Trump took in Atlantic City was risker

0:29:52 > 0:29:55than anyone realised. corporate bankruptcy - four times.

0:29:56 > 0:29:58Workers were laid off. Contractors went unpaid.

0:29:59 > 0:30:02Yet Trump did make a lot of money - for himself.

0:30:03 > 0:30:09Washington, If he had re-invested in the city, everyone would tout his

0:30:10 > 0:30:13good name. But he didn't. He took the money. He made lots of money for

0:30:14 > 0:30:18himself. Listen, he had no reason or obligation to spend it in Atlantic

0:30:19 > 0:30:30City. As we look at the long-term picture, Donald Trump has not been

0:30:31 > 0:30:35good for Atlantic City. As other gambling hot spots sprang up,

0:30:36 > 0:30:41Atlantic City lost its luster. Today it's struggling. Republican Guard

0:30:42 > 0:30:46Garde is mayor. -- Republican Don Guardian is mayor. If you are asking

0:30:47 > 0:30:51- if I want the United States to be after a Donald Trump presidency,

0:30:52 > 0:30:56Atlantic City after Donald Trump ownership of casinos? The answer is

0:30:57 > 0:31:00absolutely not. Trump wasn't the first and won't be the last property

0:31:01 > 0:31:07developer to claim strategic bankruptcy. But he's surely the only

0:31:08 > 0:31:10person ever to have insisted that defaulting on vast loans is a

0:31:11 > 0:31:15qualification for the job of US president. I made a lot of money in

0:31:16 > 0:31:22Atlantic City and I'm very proud of it, very, very proud of it. By the

0:31:23 > 0:31:30way, this country, right now owes $19 trillion and they need somebody

0:31:31 > 0:31:36like me to straighten out that mess. This was vintage Trump. The Donald

0:31:37 > 0:31:46is smart. Bad times, bad things are for losers. Trump is a winner and

0:31:47 > 0:31:50his supporters love him for it. But this election isn't just about

0:31:51 > 0:31:54personality. It's about America's anger with its political class and

0:31:55 > 0:32:02Hillary Clinton is the one paying the price. The reason for that is

0:32:03 > 0:32:08that Hillary reeks of Washington. And Washington is the problem. You

0:32:09 > 0:32:13know Hillary Clinton. I do. What's she like? I found her to be very

0:32:14 > 0:32:18bright, engaging and a good person. I've served with her in the Senate

0:32:19 > 0:32:21for a number of years. When she was Secretary of State her approval

0:32:22 > 0:32:24numbers went through the roof. When you think about where she was in the

0:32:25 > 0:32:30minds of most Americans then and where she is now, what a sharp

0:32:31 > 0:32:34contrast. Senator Dick Durbin is one of the most powerful Democrats in

0:32:35 > 0:32:40Congress. Why has she failed to cut through? A variety of reasons. Some

0:32:41 > 0:32:48of it has to do with personality. But also, she brings with her the

0:32:49 > 0:32:53Clinton dynasty baggage. That baggage comes from decades within a

0:32:54 > 0:32:58barely functional government. Many Americans believe the whole

0:32:59 > 0:33:00political system is broken. America's headed in the wrong

0:33:01 > 0:33:05direction. Washington doesn't work for me and my family. You know, I

0:33:06 > 0:33:09think you'll find across the world, that kind of comment being made by

0:33:10 > 0:33:16people who are victimised by a lot of things. Trump has tapped into it.

0:33:17 > 0:33:21When Trump says Washington doesn't work, he sometimes it literally is

0:33:22 > 0:33:24true. Nothing happens. Of course. There are failures in the human

0:33:25 > 0:33:27endeavour. They happen every day. When it comes to government, we

0:33:28 > 0:33:35ought to be honest about it and change it. That's our job. The one

0:33:36 > 0:33:38thing the parties can agree on is their increasing inability to agree.

0:33:39 > 0:33:44The Democrats and the Republicans don't always talk to each other. It

0:33:45 > 0:33:46means they're not producing legislation or administrative

0:33:47 > 0:33:53activities that are actually dealing with some of the things that we need

0:33:54 > 0:33:57do in America. Why have relations between the parties become so much

0:33:58 > 0:34:02more poisonous than they used to be? Over the years, the Democratic Party

0:34:03 > 0:34:07has moved steadily, steadily further and further to the left, towards

0:34:08 > 0:34:11socialism. The Republican Party has been infiltrated by southerners,

0:34:12 > 0:34:15like me, and has been not only become a conservative party, we have

0:34:16 > 0:34:20moved far to the right, leaving nothing in the middle. As a great

0:34:21 > 0:34:30poet Yeats would say, "The middle will not hold." The US political

0:34:31 > 0:34:34system is designed to work with both parties pulling together. When that

0:34:35 > 0:34:40doesn't happen, Washington grinds to a halt. Good evening, this

0:34:41 > 0:34:46government shut down is now in its ninth day... The result is a system

0:34:47 > 0:34:52that feels like it's been grid locked for years. Trump knows who

0:34:53 > 0:34:54he's blaming. I've heard Hillary complaining about so many different

0:34:55 > 0:34:59things over the years. But she's been there for 30 years, she's been

0:35:00 > 0:35:05doing this stuff. She never changed. She never will change. Whoever

0:35:06 > 0:35:08becomes president, they'll need the cooperation of Congress to get

0:35:09 > 0:35:19Washington working again. But the more toxic this election becomes,

0:35:20 > 0:35:25the harder that will be. With America more divided than ever, it's

0:35:26 > 0:35:31not just the two candidates casting an unpearing eye over -- unsparing

0:35:32 > 0:35:36eye over their opponent. Had to take a couple turns the hard way. Took

0:35:37 > 0:35:42half an hour to get him up here, but worth the wait. He's a little taller

0:35:43 > 0:35:48and heavier. He's a lot lighter, but he's got about the same air mass to

0:35:49 > 0:35:52him which is full of nothing. The protest art collective InDecline

0:35:53 > 0:35:55titillated America when their life-sized naked statues of Donald

0:35:56 > 0:36:01Trump appeared overnight in parks and streets. There are some

0:36:02 > 0:36:07liberties taken, the hair, the gut and other extremities. All of the

0:36:08 > 0:36:12statues vanish the same day, but now, thanks to art curator Stanley

0:36:13 > 0:36:17Sudol one more has found a home in New Jersey. It delights thousands

0:36:18 > 0:36:22each day as they commute into Manhattan. People laughing as they

0:36:23 > 0:36:26were driving by is the overall response we got from this.

0:36:27 > 0:36:30Essentially this piece is a perfect metaphor for the way we see from our

0:36:31 > 0:36:37side Donald Trump's campaign. It's off colour. It's abstract. And it's

0:36:38 > 0:36:42a complete joke. There you go. Whatever you think of his body,

0:36:43 > 0:36:47Trump's critics say his politics are even uglier. His views on Islam and

0:36:48 > 0:36:54immigration have come in for harsh criticism. America is a melting pot.

0:36:55 > 0:37:00Everybody's from somewhere. God Bless America. This is the beauty of

0:37:01 > 0:37:05it. Sajid Tarar runs a non-profit that cares for the elderly and

0:37:06 > 0:37:08disabled. He's a Muslim and back in July, he delivered the closing

0:37:09 > 0:37:14prayer at his party's national convention. But it's not the party

0:37:15 > 0:37:24you're maybe thinking. I am Republican. I came as a law student.

0:37:25 > 0:37:27From where? Pakistan. The thing is I'm seeing democracy continuously

0:37:28 > 0:37:32going down. How about the First World War, Second World War, Korean

0:37:33 > 0:37:37War, we fought against the expansion of socialism. Today we're becoming

0:37:38 > 0:37:40socialists. I'm not here for that. I bought the American dream and tree

0:37:41 > 0:37:45Dom. We are losing that, both of them.

0:37:46 > 0:37:51-- freedom. Fewer than one in ten American Muslims supports Donald

0:37:52 > 0:37:55Trump. Many now find even that paltry figure unbelievable, given

0:37:56 > 0:38:02Trump's statements on Muslim immigration. Donald J Trump is

0:38:03 > 0:38:07calling for a total and complete shut down of Muslims entering the

0:38:08 > 0:38:16United States until our country's representatives can figure out what

0:38:17 > 0:38:20the hell is going on. Trump's trying to would angry white voters by

0:38:21 > 0:38:27fuelling immigration fears. But he also needs the support of minorities

0:38:28 > 0:38:32if he's to win. To most of us, that sounds like an impossible balance to

0:38:33 > 0:38:36strike. Here you are, a Muslim supporter of a man who proposes a

0:38:37 > 0:38:40ban on Muslims entering the United States. That's pretty strange. He's

0:38:41 > 0:38:45not anti-Muslim. He's anti-trouble makers. He's anti-jihadists. He's

0:38:46 > 0:38:51antiterrorism. That's what he's talking about. His whole campaign is

0:38:52 > 0:38:55America first. Save America. Making America rich again. Look at this,

0:38:56 > 0:38:58the refugees want to come here in hundreds and thousands, without any

0:38:59 > 0:39:02documentation, we don't know what their objectives are. You sound

0:39:03 > 0:39:07incredibly hard hearted. Why I'm so hard, because I have four kids. This

0:39:08 > 0:39:10is my kids' country. Plus, we don't want to see this country as a

0:39:11 > 0:39:15Europe. Like you guys are suffering. Lock at France, what is going on,

0:39:16 > 0:39:19look at Belgium. I don't want to see that. This is my home. I love this

0:39:20 > 0:39:24country. I met Sajid the day after he'd been campaigning with Trump.

0:39:25 > 0:39:30This is only yesterday. It was only yesterday, we were together. I have

0:39:31 > 0:39:35seen 20,000 people in his rallies. It's a piece of cake. People are

0:39:36 > 0:39:39behind him. The liberal media doesn't tend to show that. You both

0:39:40 > 0:39:44look very pleased with yourselves. Thank you so much. I'm very excited.

0:39:45 > 0:39:53I'm very excited to see him in the White House. God willing it's going

0:39:54 > 0:40:00to happen. Oh, God our nation is in need of new leader, a commander, who

0:40:01 > 0:40:05will guide America along a path of righteousness. It's no wonder that

0:40:06 > 0:40:09Trump is so keen to have a man like Sajid backing him. Make America

0:40:10 > 0:40:14great again, amen. Trump won't be able to win by appealing to

0:40:15 > 0:40:20disaffected white voters will he? No. He has to appeal to some

0:40:21 > 0:40:23minorities. Republicans have run two consecutive elections against Barack

0:40:24 > 0:40:29Obama saying they could just Jack up the white vote and it would be OK.

0:40:30 > 0:40:30The math doesn't work any more to just Jack the white vote up for the

0:40:31 > 0:40:52Republicans. Nearly 50 years on from the murder

0:40:53 > 0:40:56of Martin Luther King there is no longer a white majority country. If

0:40:57 > 0:40:59Donald Trump thinks he can win the White House by just appealing to

0:41:00 > 0:41:10that sector of society, he is mistaken.

0:41:11 > 0:41:15So can he do it in 2016? He'd need to double his popularity with the

0:41:16 > 0:41:18fastest growing part of the US population, Latinos. But if that's

0:41:19 > 0:41:25what he's trying to do, he's going about it in a very strange way.

0:41:26 > 0:41:31We'll do the wall, don't worry. We're going to do the wall. We're

0:41:32 > 0:41:35going to do the wall and by the way, who's going to pay for the wall?

0:41:36 > 0:41:44Mexico! Mexico's going to pay for the wall. There is one demographic

0:41:45 > 0:41:48group he's having an even harder time with, African Americans. In

0:41:49 > 0:41:57order to win, especially the popular vote, you've got to increase your

0:41:58 > 0:42:00margin in its and hiss -- in independents and Hispanics. He needs

0:42:01 > 0:42:08enough in the target states to increase that number to win. But

0:42:09 > 0:42:13most minorities aren't buying it. The Republican Party has struggled

0:42:14 > 0:42:18for decades to win the black vote. But Trump's ratings are a new low.

0:42:19 > 0:42:27Some polls have put his support at zero. Which means Paris Dennard has

0:42:28 > 0:42:32one of the hardest jobs in America, woulding African Americans for

0:42:33 > 0:42:38Trump. I can whole heartedly say that with some degree of experience

0:42:39 > 0:42:41and authority that Donald Trump's policies will not only help my

0:42:42 > 0:42:47community but he is not somebody who's going to hurt our community.

0:42:48 > 0:42:52Isn't Donald Trump a racist? It's classic Clinton Democrat PlayBook.

0:42:53 > 0:42:56The easiest thing to do is label somebody a racist to deter people

0:42:57 > 0:43:02from voting for him. She has to convince black folks that he's a

0:43:03 > 0:43:08racist. And she has to convince moderates and independents that he's

0:43:09 > 0:43:15a racist. Many people do think Trump is a racist for any number of

0:43:16 > 0:43:20reasons. My fellow Americans... Like the years he spent denying that

0:43:21 > 0:43:26Obama was born in America. He recently tried to blame that rumour

0:43:27 > 0:43:30on Hillary Clinton. You're the one who set the pictures around your

0:43:31 > 0:43:35campaign, sent the pictures around with President Obama in a certain

0:43:36 > 0:43:40garb, that was long before I was involved. So you actually owe an

0:43:41 > 0:43:46apology. Dennard maintains that black would-be Trump voters aren't

0:43:47 > 0:43:50deterred, maybe like the Tory voters who delivered Cameron's unexpected

0:43:51 > 0:43:542015 victory, they're just shy. When you say to African Americans, you

0:43:55 > 0:43:58should think about voting for Donald Trump, what do they say? There's a

0:43:59 > 0:44:03growing sense that I have that there's a lot of blacks that will

0:44:04 > 0:44:06say, I may not say I'm going to vote for him, but when I go to the

0:44:07 > 0:44:12polling booth, I will vote for Donald Trump. Trump knows he needs

0:44:13 > 0:44:16these groups to win. I want to do things that haven't been done,

0:44:17 > 0:44:19including fixing and making our inner cities better for the

0:44:20 > 0:44:24African-American citizens that are so great and for the Latinos,

0:44:25 > 0:44:33Hispanics. I look forward to doing it. It's called make America great

0:44:34 > 0:44:40again. And here's the reason he needs them - the unique way America

0:44:41 > 0:44:45chooses its president. Politics may be showbiz for ugly people, but

0:44:46 > 0:44:52sometimes it's just showbiz. In the theatre behind me is one of the most

0:44:53 > 0:44:56unlikely Smash Hits of Broadway, it's a rap retelling of the story of

0:44:57 > 0:45:03one of the founding fathers. The central scene is set inside a

0:45:04 > 0:45:05presidential election. I'm passionately smashing every

0:45:06 > 0:45:09expectation, every action, I'm laughing in the face of casualties.

0:45:10 > 0:45:13For the first time, I'm thinking pass tomorrow. This show is the

0:45:14 > 0:45:18story of Alexander Hamilton a trusted aide of George Washington.

0:45:19 > 0:45:23Rather than have a direct nationwide vote for president, a

0:45:24 > 0:45:27straightforward popularity contest, Hamilton and co wanted each state to

0:45:28 > 0:45:34have a voice. So they created the electoral college.

0:45:35 > 0:45:43Each state has a set number of votes in the electoral college, determined

0:45:44 > 0:45:46by the population of the state. In most cases, the candidate

0:45:47 > 0:45:50first-past-the-post in any state takes all its votes. So the nominee

0:45:51 > 0:45:58that wins California gets 55 electoral college votes, but Vermont

0:45:59 > 0:46:03or North Dakota, they only get a measly three. And the person with

0:46:04 > 0:46:08the majority of the electoral college votes becomes president! The

0:46:09 > 0:46:15magic number of college votes needed to take the presidency is 270, just

0:46:16 > 0:46:20over half, giving a clear endorsement to one candidate. So,

0:46:21 > 0:46:27it's not just about winning lots of states. It's winning the states with

0:46:28 > 0:46:34big numbers of votes. And right now, Hillary Clinton holds the upper

0:46:35 > 0:46:41hand. Democrats started out with 247 votes, in six consecutive

0:46:42 > 0:46:46presidential elections. Republicans are up to 191. And we fight over the

0:46:47 > 0:46:51rest. Do you think you can do it? Maths says you can't, but the maths

0:46:52 > 0:46:56also said he could not win the primary. I hope for the sake of my

0:46:57 > 0:46:59country that he is not the President of the United States, that I'm not

0:47:00 > 0:47:03going to sit on national television telling you he can't. So, in the

0:47:04 > 0:47:07final stages of this campaign, the candidates face very different

0:47:08 > 0:47:12challenges. Hillary Clinton ought to be miles ahead. Instead, she has to

0:47:13 > 0:47:16be sure that her supporters will turn out for her. As for Donald

0:47:17 > 0:47:25Trump, well, he somehow has got to broaden his appeal beyond angry

0:47:26 > 0:47:30white men. Three head-to-head debates there is where they get to

0:47:31 > 0:47:44pitch to the nation, watched by the world. These debates and crucial -

0:47:45 > 0:47:48sometimes they turn the tide of opinion, like Kennedy versus Nixon

0:47:49 > 0:47:53in 1960. But one thing is for sure - while the pretence is that the

0:47:54 > 0:47:56debates focus on policy, actually, they're all about personality. Chris

0:47:57 > 0:48:02Matthews is the veteran host of the talk-show for half-ball. They will

0:48:03 > 0:48:07try and get them upset and angry. I think Donald just criticised me for

0:48:08 > 0:48:13preparing for this debate. And yes, I did. And you know what else I

0:48:14 > 0:48:19prepared for? I prepared to be president, and I think that's a good

0:48:20 > 0:48:25thing. The question is, can he swap that mosquito without looking bad? I

0:48:26 > 0:48:29don't know who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton, but you were

0:48:30 > 0:48:33totally out of control. I said, there is a person with a temperament

0:48:34 > 0:48:41that's got a problem! Secretary Clinton... OK! Hillary Clinton

0:48:42 > 0:48:44emerged the winner. I have a feeling that by the end of today, I will be

0:48:45 > 0:48:52blamed for everything that's ever happened! Why not? Why not?! Just

0:48:53 > 0:48:58join the debate by saying more crazy things! But Donald Trump kept the

0:48:59 > 0:49:06wheels on his campaign. What came next, though, was all hell breaking

0:49:07 > 0:49:10loose. When that recording of Trump, made in 2005, surfaced just days

0:49:11 > 0:49:15before the second debate. We received a lot of questions online,

0:49:16 > 0:49:19Mr Trump, about the tape. You called what you said locker room banter.

0:49:20 > 0:49:23You described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals.

0:49:24 > 0:49:29That is sexual assault. You bragged that you have sexually assaulted

0:49:30 > 0:49:35women - do you understand that? Trump's response made less than no

0:49:36 > 0:49:39sense at all. Yes, I am very embarrassed by it, I hate it, but it

0:49:40 > 0:49:50is look at room talk and it's one of those things. I will not the hell

0:49:51 > 0:49:53out of Isis. Isis appeared in a vacuum which was left because of bad

0:49:54 > 0:49:58judgment. And I tell you, I will take care of Isis. Senior

0:49:59 > 0:50:04Republicans queued up to disown him, but he could still count on one

0:50:05 > 0:50:09loyal friend. If we're being honest, it's the kind of thing that men do,

0:50:10 > 0:50:12they talk like this. And by the way, quite a lot of women say things

0:50:13 > 0:50:17amongst themselves that they would not want to see on Fox news, on the

0:50:18 > 0:50:23front page of newspapers. Thank you very much indeed! Ukip leader Nigel

0:50:24 > 0:50:27Farage has been on the stump with Trump in Mississippi and that the

0:50:28 > 0:50:33second debate in Missouri. But now, his back in his favourite place in

0:50:34 > 0:50:38the world - Brussels. So, is he seeing things a little differently?

0:50:39 > 0:50:45There is no question that this recent tape, ugly as it is, has

0:50:46 > 0:50:55really hurt him badly, of course. What did he mean by talking about

0:50:56 > 0:51:00grabbing women's pussies? I don't know, but I saw this whole thing as

0:51:01 > 0:51:03a next ring form of Alfa mail boasting, the kind of posting which

0:51:04 > 0:51:09some men do, it does not mean that they actually do it. So he was

0:51:10 > 0:51:12lying, was he? Does it not turn your stomach to be in an effective

0:51:13 > 0:51:16alliance with a man who behaves, thinks and perhaps lies about that

0:51:17 > 0:51:21sort of thing? Look, it's not just that is it? There were comments

0:51:22 > 0:51:24about Mexicans, the idea of a total ban on anybody coming in to America

0:51:25 > 0:51:28from one particular religion. There are lots of things in this campaign

0:51:29 > 0:51:33which I could not support in any way at all, and nor do I. Which sounds

0:51:34 > 0:51:37like a change of heart, if ever I heard one. But if Nigel Farage has

0:51:38 > 0:51:43decided he does not like The Donald's policies, he thinks Trump's

0:51:44 > 0:51:49followers are as enraptured as ever. When I spoke to people who are Trump

0:51:50 > 0:51:53voters, in this election, going to vote for Trump, do you know what,

0:51:54 > 0:51:58they could not care less? They could not give a damn what Trump says, who

0:51:59 > 0:52:01he offends, because they see him as being their weapon against the

0:52:02 > 0:52:06establishment, and they see Hillary as being the epitome of that

0:52:07 > 0:52:13establishment. So they don't care if a cruel, crude, Foulger bombast

0:52:14 > 0:52:19occupies the White House? I think what we're seeing in the states, and

0:52:20 > 0:52:24actually fair bit of the Western world are little people saying,

0:52:25 > 0:52:29we've had enough and we want a change and we don't care if that

0:52:30 > 0:52:36change causes a rupture. And I think that is a lot of what is behind the

0:52:37 > 0:52:44Trump and dominant. With just weeks to go, the question is whether Trump

0:52:45 > 0:52:48still has a chance. His supporters are pinning their hopes on the vast

0:52:49 > 0:52:57pool of undeclared voters whom they believe secretly favour their man. A

0:52:58 > 0:53:08crucial group is younger voters. There are loads of them. I think a

0:53:09 > 0:53:11lot of young people feel a little bit jaded about the state of

0:53:12 > 0:53:15America. And I can see why that speaks to a lot of Trump supporters

0:53:16 > 0:53:18as well. They feel that America is not in a great condition because

0:53:19 > 0:53:21they feel that their personal condition is not what they would

0:53:22 > 0:53:25like it to be. Went Donald Trump says he wants to make America great

0:53:26 > 0:53:31again, that's just what you want to hear, isn't it? The problem is, make

0:53:32 > 0:53:35America great again, and when was it great before, and what was good

0:53:36 > 0:53:40about it? America used to be a lot better, but the whole great again

0:53:41 > 0:53:45thing... What makes you pause when you think about Hillary? Probably

0:53:46 > 0:53:53the fact that she has been so entangled in the Clinton name. Like

0:53:54 > 0:53:57Trump, they're both brands. They feel like political brands, they

0:53:58 > 0:54:01don't feel like people that you can relate to. These reluctant Hillary

0:54:02 > 0:54:10supporters prefer a candidate out of the Washington Tupperware catalogue

0:54:11 > 0:54:17to an alternative they think rotten. It is the lesser of two evils.

0:54:18 > 0:54:21Donald Trump is fascism in its current form. The choice sucks, but

0:54:22 > 0:54:25do we really have a choice? I think the most important thing right now

0:54:26 > 0:54:29is that my generation votes. But they're not entirely despairing of

0:54:30 > 0:54:35the future. This year's dismal election may, they hope, prove a

0:54:36 > 0:54:40kind of watershed. Everybody seems to be talking about the way in which

0:54:41 > 0:54:45American politics has become arise between two very, very solid

0:54:46 > 0:54:49positions, the Republicans and the Democrats - is it going to stay like

0:54:50 > 0:54:53that, do you think? I hope this is the fever pitch, the peak moment of

0:54:54 > 0:54:57that trend. But I also think there is a chance we could keep going from

0:54:58 > 0:55:04here and become even more polarised, and that's my biggest fear. America

0:55:05 > 0:55:11has been deeply divided before. It is Burke in 1863 saw the mightiest

0:55:12 > 0:55:17clash between the forces of north and south, union and Confederate.

0:55:18 > 0:55:21The union ultimately triumphed, the country held together by that

0:55:22 > 0:55:26awkward visionary. When Abraham Lincoln stood on this blood-soaked

0:55:27 > 0:55:31battlefield, he pledged that government by the people, of the

0:55:32 > 0:55:39people, for the people, shall not perish. And it hasn't. But many of

0:55:40 > 0:55:42those who make the effort to vote in this presidential election will do

0:55:43 > 0:55:51so holding their noses, which ought to tell us perhaps that something

0:55:52 > 0:55:58has gone wrong with Lincoln's dream. Both candidates have waged divisive

0:55:59 > 0:56:04campaigns. You could put half of Trump supporters into what I call

0:56:05 > 0:56:08the basket of deplorables. We have a divided nation because people like

0:56:09 > 0:56:11her, and believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart, and

0:56:12 > 0:56:20when she said deplorables, she meant it. The question now is, what next?

0:56:21 > 0:56:26Can Washington be made to work again? All the problems in

0:56:27 > 0:56:36Washington are solvable very easily by one word. What that? Leadership.

0:56:37 > 0:56:41Witch is the party system irreparably broken? I think we will

0:56:42 > 0:56:46see a very different Republican Party, whatever happens on the 8th

0:56:47 > 0:56:53of November. So much is at stake on election night. Those two competing

0:56:54 > 0:56:55narratives are going head-to-head. But in the end, I think what is true

0:56:56 > 0:57:02is, America has changed greatly. For now, Hillary looks set to win.

0:57:03 > 0:57:06But as Brexit showed, the unexpected CAN happen.

0:57:07 > 0:57:10This race won't be over till it's over.

0:57:11 > 0:57:17And maybe not even then, if there are legal challenges,

0:57:18 > 0:57:22or the loser refuses to concede. It's been a dirty fight so far,

0:57:23 > 0:57:25and it could still end messily. Will whoever wins be

0:57:26 > 0:57:30able to unite america? Or will this bitter election leave

0:57:31 > 0:57:36this great democracy even more divided than it is now?