The Benefits Cap: Is It Working?

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0:00:00 > 0:00:02'This is the household benefit cap helpline.'

0:00:02 > 0:00:06It's a tough new Government policy for the unemployed.

0:00:06 > 0:00:09This programme contains some strong language.

0:00:09 > 0:00:11It's all because of this stupid benefit cap.

0:00:11 > 0:00:13If it weren't for the benefit cap,

0:00:13 > 0:00:15then I would not be living like this.

0:00:15 > 0:00:19Get a job or we'll cut your benefits.

0:00:19 > 0:00:22The closer it gets, the more nervous I will get.

0:00:22 > 0:00:24I haven't had an interview in 17 years.

0:00:26 > 0:00:30The government says life shouldn't be easy on state handouts.

0:00:32 > 0:00:36Obviously, tobacco and, obviously, I have my beers.

0:00:36 > 0:00:38Which is about...

0:00:38 > 0:00:3940 quid a week.

0:00:42 > 0:00:47Thousands of families have had their housing benefit cut to 50p a week.

0:00:49 > 0:00:52My dad said that we haven't got enough money,

0:00:52 > 0:00:54and they want to pay the rent.

0:00:57 > 0:00:59Parents who've not worked for years

0:00:59 > 0:01:02are having their lives turned upside down.

0:01:02 > 0:01:05It's to do with everything, Tariq. It's to do with having

0:01:05 > 0:01:07- my own- BLEEP- money, which has a chance of being stopped anyway.

0:01:07 > 0:01:12So can the benefit cap force people back to work?

0:01:14 > 0:01:15Read it out loud.

0:01:15 > 0:01:18"Congratulations, I'm pleased to confirm that you

0:01:18 > 0:01:21"have been successful at your recent interview."

0:01:24 > 0:01:27Over five months, we followed five families.

0:01:30 > 0:01:32Might just as well go home and shoot myself.

0:01:33 > 0:01:35- You don't mean that, do you?- Yes.

0:01:36 > 0:01:38Yeah, that's how I feel.

0:01:39 > 0:01:41What's the point?

0:01:41 > 0:01:43What is the point in trying to carry on?

0:01:46 > 0:01:50The benefit cap is changing lives, but is it working?

0:02:01 > 0:02:04Well, the benefit cap was introduced to try and level up

0:02:04 > 0:02:06the playing field between families who are in work

0:02:06 > 0:02:09and those who are reliant on benefits.

0:02:09 > 0:02:11And fundamentally, what we sought to do was incentivise work,

0:02:11 > 0:02:14because we know that the outcomes for children will be better

0:02:14 > 0:02:16if they're in families that are working.

0:02:16 > 0:02:20The benefit cap is set at £23,000 for people in London,

0:02:20 > 0:02:23£20,000 for people outside of London.

0:02:23 > 0:02:25So that means the total amount of benefits they receive

0:02:25 > 0:02:27will be stopped at that amount.

0:02:27 > 0:02:30This is a level that bears no relation to anything else.

0:02:30 > 0:02:33It's completely arbitrary.

0:02:33 > 0:02:38£23,000 in London, £20,000 outside of London, tax-free,

0:02:38 > 0:02:40is a very significant amount of money.

0:02:40 > 0:02:42The level at which the benefits cap is being set

0:02:42 > 0:02:44is more than adequate.

0:03:00 > 0:03:03I wish to God I'd never heard of the benefit cap.

0:03:03 > 0:03:05I wish. I wish...

0:03:05 > 0:03:08If that didn't kick in, I'd still be in that house.

0:03:10 > 0:03:14This is where single mum Sarah Smith used to live,

0:03:14 > 0:03:16with four of her children.

0:03:16 > 0:03:17And then it all happened.

0:03:17 > 0:03:21Just...within days, I had to pack my stuff and leave.

0:03:22 > 0:03:24And that's where it all started.

0:03:29 > 0:03:34Sarah had been getting £428 a week in benefits.

0:03:34 > 0:03:38But in November, they were cut by £44.

0:03:41 > 0:03:45Her landlord evicted her because her payments had been reduced.

0:03:45 > 0:03:47Now she is homeless.

0:03:49 > 0:03:52This is where I sit in the day and this is where I sleep at night,

0:03:52 > 0:03:54on my sister's sofa.

0:04:01 > 0:04:04So that's all I own, just that black bag with a few clothes in,

0:04:04 > 0:04:07and just the box with a few toiletries and stuff in.

0:04:07 > 0:04:09That's how bad it is.

0:04:09 > 0:04:11I'm 35 years old and I've got nothing.

0:04:11 > 0:04:13I've got absolutely nothing.

0:04:15 > 0:04:17And the worst thing about it, the worst one out of it all,

0:04:17 > 0:04:19I've not even got my kids.

0:04:22 > 0:04:23My little girl, Frankie.

0:04:26 > 0:04:30Sarah has seven children. Three are in foster care,

0:04:30 > 0:04:33but four lived with her until she lost her home.

0:04:36 > 0:04:38They're now living with other people.

0:04:42 > 0:04:44Her youngest is Frankie, who's one.

0:04:46 > 0:04:49I didn't even get to see her first steps and stuff like that,

0:04:49 > 0:04:51and it broke me, so I just broke down crying.

0:04:53 > 0:04:56The first time she saw Frankie walk was when she met her children

0:04:56 > 0:04:58in the cafe at Tesco.

0:05:00 > 0:05:02Frankie! Come on, then, gorgeous.

0:05:02 > 0:05:04Aw, little midget.

0:05:05 > 0:05:08'Just thinking about it now, I've tears in my eyes and stuff.

0:05:08 > 0:05:10'It's horrible.'

0:05:10 > 0:05:11Whee!

0:05:11 > 0:05:14'I've got no choice but to basically leave them where they are'

0:05:14 > 0:05:16for the time being.

0:05:16 > 0:05:19Obviously, like I said, it absolutely kills me inside.

0:05:19 > 0:05:22It kills me inside that there's nothing I can do about it.

0:05:25 > 0:05:29Sarah's 35 and has not worked for 17 years.

0:05:32 > 0:05:34Under the rules, as a single mum,

0:05:34 > 0:05:36she could get her full benefits back

0:05:36 > 0:05:38by working 16 hours a week.

0:05:41 > 0:05:43If I wanted to, I wouldn't even be able to get myself a job now

0:05:43 > 0:05:46because I've got nowhere stable.

0:05:46 > 0:05:49I'm not saying I'm never going to get a job, like, sort of thing,

0:05:49 > 0:05:52but, you know, in my situation, I can't.

0:05:55 > 0:05:58This is the lowest of the low.

0:05:58 > 0:05:59It cannot get any worse.

0:05:59 > 0:06:01But I do think to myself,

0:06:01 > 0:06:03"Flipping hell, what's going to be next?"

0:06:03 > 0:06:05What is going to be next?

0:06:09 > 0:06:13Do you accept that the cap is breaking up some families?

0:06:13 > 0:06:15The benefit cap is designed to incentivise work,

0:06:15 > 0:06:18and what we know is that people are moving into work,

0:06:18 > 0:06:20and we know that children will be better off

0:06:20 > 0:06:22when their parents are working.

0:06:29 > 0:06:32The Government estimates 88,000 households

0:06:32 > 0:06:35will be affected by the cap.

0:06:37 > 0:06:40Kim Carmichael and her family are one of them.

0:06:42 > 0:06:45- Hi.- Hi. All right?- Yeah, you?

0:06:45 > 0:06:47She's come to a food bank for help.

0:06:48 > 0:06:51- So how's you?- Really, really wound up at the moment.

0:06:51 > 0:06:53We've been hit by the benefit cap, haven't we?

0:06:54 > 0:06:59Her family used to get £500 a week in benefits.

0:06:59 > 0:07:01That's been cut by £120.

0:07:04 > 0:07:07- And the children's ages? - Seven, four,

0:07:07 > 0:07:09and both of them, three and three.

0:07:09 > 0:07:12- Any baby food, or...?- Nappies, if you've got any, yeah, five.

0:07:12 > 0:07:14Fruit.

0:07:16 > 0:07:19Two meat, two fish and two veg.

0:07:21 > 0:07:23See you later.

0:07:23 > 0:07:25And you, bye.

0:07:34 > 0:07:35Out the way.

0:07:35 > 0:07:40Kim and husband Steve haven't worked for almost nine years.

0:07:40 > 0:07:42Go away.

0:07:42 > 0:07:44Now, under the rules, as a couple,

0:07:44 > 0:07:47they could get their full benefits back

0:07:47 > 0:07:50if they work 24 hours a week between them.

0:07:50 > 0:07:54I've got severe depression, ME,

0:07:54 > 0:07:58which basically means I get tired constantly,

0:07:58 > 0:08:00I can't do everyday tasks.

0:08:04 > 0:08:06Steve used to be a builder,

0:08:06 > 0:08:09but hasn't had a job since injuring his hand in an accident.

0:08:11 > 0:08:14I'm a worker, but obviously, that accident's cost me my chance

0:08:14 > 0:08:16to work for quite a few years.

0:08:16 > 0:08:18One. One for now.

0:08:18 > 0:08:21I'd rather be able to stand on my own two feet and rely on myself

0:08:21 > 0:08:25rather than rely on benefits going in.

0:08:25 > 0:08:26I don't want to be relying on benefits.

0:08:27 > 0:08:30- I'm going to eat all the custard. - No!

0:08:30 > 0:08:31And all the peaches and all the pears.

0:08:31 > 0:08:33Is there any work you could have done in the last nine years

0:08:33 > 0:08:35with that injury?

0:08:35 > 0:08:38I'm still very limited to what work I can do now, really.

0:08:38 > 0:08:41I mean, it's all about your manual dexterity.

0:08:41 > 0:08:43I saw the pictures of you on the Wii, though.

0:08:43 > 0:08:45- You seemed pretty dextrous. - I'm playing that.

0:08:45 > 0:08:46That's how I get myself...

0:08:48 > 0:08:50..my hand working again.

0:08:50 > 0:08:54That's why I got it, to try and get my hand working properly.

0:09:00 > 0:09:03Under the rules, the cuts are made to housing benefit.

0:09:05 > 0:09:08That used to cover Steve and Kim's rent.

0:09:08 > 0:09:11Now they're only getting 50p a week.

0:09:13 > 0:09:16It's only 50p per week, so that's £2 a month.

0:09:18 > 0:09:19Which they may as well keep.

0:09:21 > 0:09:24Cost them more to send the letter out.

0:09:27 > 0:09:31Christmas is going to be different this year.

0:09:31 > 0:09:34Make sure you don't drop it.

0:09:34 > 0:09:37The kids have had to go without, basically, because the money

0:09:37 > 0:09:39that we would have used on the presents

0:09:39 > 0:09:41has had to go towards rent.

0:09:44 > 0:09:47My dad said that "You might not be able to get as much presents

0:09:47 > 0:09:49"as you might as last year,"

0:09:49 > 0:09:52because we haven't got enough money,

0:09:52 > 0:09:54and they want to pay the rent.

0:09:57 > 0:10:01Panorama has spoken to local councils across Britain.

0:10:01 > 0:10:06We found that more than 67,000 households have been capped so far.

0:10:08 > 0:10:14Of those, 11% have had their housing benefit cut to 50p a week.

0:10:17 > 0:10:23That's 7,595 families like Steve and Kim...

0:10:27 > 0:10:29..who are now facing eviction.

0:10:31 > 0:10:33"Notice requiring possession.

0:10:33 > 0:10:37"After 31st January, that's when the possession is required."

0:10:42 > 0:10:46We've got till 31st January to either get something in place

0:10:46 > 0:10:50with the council or struggle even more and find the rent each month,

0:10:50 > 0:10:53which we probably won't be able to do.

0:10:53 > 0:10:56So by the end of January, basically, we're out of this house.

0:11:04 > 0:11:08- What was that like, when you're days away from that happening?- Panicking.

0:11:08 > 0:11:10Panicking. Worrying about the kids.

0:11:10 > 0:11:12Worrying about having to move them out of school.

0:11:12 > 0:11:14Some people will watch this and say, "Get a job, do any job..."

0:11:14 > 0:11:16- Of course they will! - "..and get your benefits back."

0:11:16 > 0:11:19- What do you say to them?- Yeah. That's what I'm intending to do.

0:11:20 > 0:11:22How are people supposed to pay their rent

0:11:22 > 0:11:24when their housing benefit's 50p?

0:11:24 > 0:11:27Well, we had to have a mechanism that would enable us to implement

0:11:27 > 0:11:30the benefit cap and, in many cases, that's used through housing benefit.

0:11:30 > 0:11:33But you have to remember that a household that

0:11:33 > 0:11:36has only 50p of housing benefit actually is receiving

0:11:36 > 0:11:40in the region of £20,000 a year outside London in total benefits.

0:11:40 > 0:11:43That's about the same as an ordinary family.

0:11:43 > 0:11:46Four in ten families would be earning that sort of money.

0:11:47 > 0:11:51In reality, that's a completely false comparison.

0:11:51 > 0:11:54People who are working also receive benefits on top of that.

0:11:54 > 0:11:57They can claim child benefit, housing benefit, tax credits.

0:11:57 > 0:11:59So their total income is significantly

0:11:59 > 0:12:01in excess of those figures.

0:12:14 > 0:12:16Go to your room, please.

0:12:19 > 0:12:2260-year-old widow Colleen McManus

0:12:22 > 0:12:26is bringing up her four grandchildren on her own.

0:12:26 > 0:12:30- You're a very lucky boy, if you get all those, won't you?- Yeah!

0:12:30 > 0:12:34The courts have decided their mum is unfit to bring them up.

0:12:36 > 0:12:39'I got the two older ones first, almost ten years ago.'

0:12:39 > 0:12:41Stop it now, you're going over the top.

0:12:41 > 0:12:45'Then Ryder, when he was 18 months. He's eight now.

0:12:45 > 0:12:48'And Roman's been with us since March last year.'

0:12:50 > 0:12:53I've got a special guardianship order for my grandchildren,

0:12:53 > 0:12:56and that means that I am responsible for them

0:12:56 > 0:12:58until they are 18 years old.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01That means I will be working until I'm 75.

0:13:01 > 0:13:05Because I'll be 75, Roman will be 18. It never stops.

0:13:14 > 0:13:18Colleen gets a special allowance for bringing up the boys,

0:13:18 > 0:13:21£29,000 a year.

0:13:25 > 0:13:27'The money was given for the boys.

0:13:31 > 0:13:36'It is for extra clothing, it is for days out, it is for holidays.

0:13:36 > 0:13:40'It is for them so that they don't miss out on the things

0:13:40 > 0:13:42'that other children have.'

0:13:42 > 0:13:45You can't go now because they only let you in in blocks.

0:13:46 > 0:13:50But she also relies on benefits for day-to-day living.

0:13:50 > 0:13:54She was getting £460 a week.

0:13:54 > 0:13:57That's been cut by £75.

0:13:59 > 0:14:03Her housing benefit is now just 50p a week,

0:14:03 > 0:14:05and she's fallen into rent arrears.

0:14:06 > 0:14:10'It's not fair. These children have had a bad start in life.'

0:14:10 > 0:14:13They've been given to me to look after.

0:14:13 > 0:14:16How can I care for them when they're taking money off me?

0:14:16 > 0:14:19It's not right. It isn't right.

0:14:19 > 0:14:21We are a special case, we're different.

0:14:23 > 0:14:25'So, so wrong. So wrong.'

0:14:29 > 0:14:31With that guardianship allowance,

0:14:31 > 0:14:34that gives you almost 50 grand a year.

0:14:34 > 0:14:36Some viewers will say it's entirely reasonable

0:14:36 > 0:14:38that you use that to pay the rent.

0:14:38 > 0:14:41All along, I've been told this money is for the boys.

0:14:41 > 0:14:42It's for the boys, it's for the boys.

0:14:42 > 0:14:46And I've spent it on the boys, on their extracurricular activities,

0:14:46 > 0:14:47on things they want,

0:14:47 > 0:14:49on their Christmas, on their birthdays.

0:14:49 > 0:14:53I'm not being greedy, and I'm not trying to be controversial

0:14:53 > 0:14:57or to say to anybody, "Yes, I should have it because it's my right."

0:14:57 > 0:15:00What I'm saying is this money is for the boys.

0:15:11 > 0:15:15It's been two months since Steve and Kim had their benefits capped

0:15:15 > 0:15:18at £20,000 a year.

0:15:19 > 0:15:21£20,000 a year does sound a lot.

0:15:21 > 0:15:23It's not a lot, really.

0:15:23 > 0:15:25By the time you've paid your gas, your electric, your rent,

0:15:25 > 0:15:27if you've got to pay rent, your council tax,

0:15:27 > 0:15:30your food shopping...clothes for the kids,

0:15:30 > 0:15:34trips, school trips and stuff like that,

0:15:34 > 0:15:36your weekly money soon goes.

0:15:36 > 0:15:38Oh! It's 10-1!

0:15:40 > 0:15:42Go away, loser!

0:15:42 > 0:15:44'We've had to cut back on the food shopping.'

0:15:44 > 0:15:47We're worrying about when we can and can't put the heating on,

0:15:47 > 0:15:49basically, because of thinking...

0:15:49 > 0:15:54well...you know, "I've got to have that money to last me the week."

0:15:54 > 0:15:55- Go and share that.- Thanks.

0:15:55 > 0:15:59Cameron... No, Ewan first, cos he asked first.

0:15:59 > 0:16:01And then you can have it second, OK?

0:16:01 > 0:16:03'Every day just costs.

0:16:03 > 0:16:06'Bread, milk, topping everything up.'

0:16:06 > 0:16:07The food is £135 per week.

0:16:07 > 0:16:09That's our budget.

0:16:09 > 0:16:12Plus nappies and that, as well. Nappies, wipes.

0:16:12 > 0:16:14We obviously need toilet rolls and stuff like that

0:16:14 > 0:16:16which, obviously, your essentials.

0:16:16 > 0:16:19Obviously, tobacco, and obviously, I have my beers.

0:16:21 > 0:16:24Which is about...40 quid a week.

0:16:29 > 0:16:32Why do you need £40 on beer and cigarettes,

0:16:32 > 0:16:33if the budget is so tight?

0:16:33 > 0:16:35I make sure the kids have got their food first.

0:16:35 > 0:16:40What I do with the rest of that money after that is my business,

0:16:40 > 0:16:41no-one else's.

0:16:41 > 0:16:43What do you think about the people who will say, you know,

0:16:43 > 0:16:45you shouldn't have beer and cigarettes?

0:16:45 > 0:16:48I'd say to you how much do you spend on it?

0:16:48 > 0:16:51That's it. How much do you spend on beer and on cigarettes?

0:16:53 > 0:16:55I think people have every right to feel aggrieved

0:16:55 > 0:16:58when they pick up their newspaper or turn on their television

0:16:58 > 0:17:01and they see very large families

0:17:01 > 0:17:03receiving huge amounts of money in benefits,

0:17:03 > 0:17:05often living lifestyles

0:17:05 > 0:17:08that taxpayers cannot afford for themselves.

0:17:08 > 0:17:11The collateral damage in all of this are the children.

0:17:11 > 0:17:13Whatever you think of the parents,

0:17:13 > 0:17:16the children didn't do anything to deserve this,

0:17:16 > 0:17:18and they find themselves living in families

0:17:18 > 0:17:21where there simply isn't enough to live on,

0:17:21 > 0:17:23parents can't put food on the table,

0:17:23 > 0:17:26and they're also humiliated by having to attend food banks

0:17:26 > 0:17:28to get the food they need.

0:17:40 > 0:17:43You didn't look then, did you?

0:17:46 > 0:17:49We just want to... hope we have somewhere to live.

0:17:50 > 0:17:55Steve and Kim are now three weeks away from losing their home.

0:17:56 > 0:18:00The government's set aside £67 million this year

0:18:00 > 0:18:03to help people affected by the cap.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07It's called Discretionary Housing Payment,

0:18:07 > 0:18:08and Steve needs it.

0:18:09 > 0:18:11We've had an eviction notice,

0:18:11 > 0:18:13which will be served at the end of January...

0:18:16 > 0:18:18..which will basically leave me homeless,

0:18:18 > 0:18:20and my four kids and the wife, so...

0:18:23 > 0:18:25Let's see if they'll actually do anything for me.

0:18:28 > 0:18:31A lot is riding on this meeting.

0:18:31 > 0:18:35If he doesn't get the money, the family could lose their home.

0:18:37 > 0:18:39- I'll get your pram.- Mummy, help me.

0:18:39 > 0:18:43You want me to help you? Come on, then.

0:18:43 > 0:18:46It's an anxious wait for Kim and the children.

0:18:49 > 0:18:51- Ready?- Yes, go.

0:18:53 > 0:18:55'If we move through choice, that's different.

0:18:55 > 0:18:58'But basically, to be forced out of your own home because the council

0:18:58 > 0:19:02'decides they're not going to pay the housing benefit, it's not fair.'

0:19:02 > 0:19:04And stop!

0:19:07 > 0:19:12- Basically, they approved it this morning.- Brilliant.

0:19:12 > 0:19:15So they'll pay up to the end of March, 31st of March.

0:19:15 > 0:19:18Do you know what? That's a huge relief.

0:19:18 > 0:19:21Means they're all right, at least the kids have somewhere to live,

0:19:21 > 0:19:24they don't have to stress out, they're all right for school, so...

0:19:24 > 0:19:26Happy days, isn't it?

0:19:26 > 0:19:28We can stay in the house...

0:19:30 > 0:19:34..until the end of March, that's what he said.

0:19:36 > 0:19:40But the extra money won't last long.

0:19:40 > 0:19:44Only up to March 31st at the minute. It doesn't last forever,

0:19:44 > 0:19:47they just check your circumstances over and over, so...

0:19:47 > 0:19:50Hopefully, one of us is in a job by then.

0:19:57 > 0:19:59What happens if people lose their home?

0:19:59 > 0:20:02Isn't that more expensive, trying to rehouse them?

0:20:02 > 0:20:04We've put in a significant amount of support,

0:20:04 > 0:20:06including Discretionary Housing Payments,

0:20:06 > 0:20:09to make sure people are able to adjust to the new level

0:20:09 > 0:20:12of the benefit cap, and able to make the right choices

0:20:12 > 0:20:13about their families.

0:20:13 > 0:20:15The benefit cap, say, is going to save

0:20:15 > 0:20:18about £150 million a year in the long run.

0:20:18 > 0:20:22Whereas the government spends about £100 billion a year

0:20:22 > 0:20:24on benefits for the working age population.

0:20:24 > 0:20:27And, so, £150 million is still only

0:20:27 > 0:20:30a fraction of that total amount spent on benefits.

0:20:31 > 0:20:34Many of the savings the government intended to make

0:20:34 > 0:20:37are being lost because they have to spend

0:20:37 > 0:20:38on Discretionary Housing Payments,

0:20:38 > 0:20:41in order to prevent people being made homeless.

0:20:41 > 0:20:45So they're taking with one hand and giving back with another hand.

0:20:45 > 0:20:47It's kind of a strange way

0:20:47 > 0:20:50of determining public policy on benefits.

0:20:56 > 0:21:00Sarah has now been homeless for three months.

0:21:00 > 0:21:02Whee!

0:21:02 > 0:21:05She's still living on her sister's sofa.

0:21:06 > 0:21:10Her youngest daughter, Frankie, has now moved in with her...

0:21:12 > 0:21:16..but her other kids are still staying with other people.

0:21:18 > 0:21:20Frankie! Frankie!

0:21:20 > 0:21:25'All I just want is somewhere to live, to have my family back.

0:21:25 > 0:21:28'It breaks my heart. It really, really breaks my heart.'

0:21:28 > 0:21:31- Mum, Mum!- Mum, Mum. Mum. - SHE LAUGHS

0:21:31 > 0:21:33I love it when she says that - "Mum."

0:21:37 > 0:21:40Aw, my little baby, aren't you?

0:21:44 > 0:21:48Sarah wants to find out if she can afford a house

0:21:48 > 0:21:50under the benefit cap.

0:21:50 > 0:21:53She's facing a difficult decision.

0:21:53 > 0:21:55To avoid being capped,

0:21:55 > 0:21:59she might have to choose which of her children can live with her.

0:21:59 > 0:22:02I'm looking at local authority accommodation

0:22:02 > 0:22:04and the rent levels for this part of the country,

0:22:04 > 0:22:06and with three children,

0:22:06 > 0:22:08you would actually be below the benefit cap

0:22:08 > 0:22:10and you would not be affected by it.

0:22:10 > 0:22:12But, of course, you've got four children,

0:22:12 > 0:22:14the benefit cap will apply

0:22:14 > 0:22:16- and you won't get full housing benefit.- Yeah.

0:22:16 > 0:22:22So, if she wants to escape the cap, she'll have to leave a child behind.

0:22:23 > 0:22:26I think it's the most horriblest, terriblest thing

0:22:26 > 0:22:28they could have brought out

0:22:28 > 0:22:32because if it's doing this to families and stuff, we're like...

0:22:32 > 0:22:34Families need to be together and, obviously,

0:22:34 > 0:22:37it's broke me up with my family and stuff like that.

0:22:37 > 0:22:40And, obviously, it's been about four months now or something

0:22:40 > 0:22:44and I'm still not settled, I've still not got my children back.

0:22:51 > 0:22:52You all right?

0:22:54 > 0:22:58Bruce Deakin is a single dad looking after four kids.

0:22:58 > 0:23:01Two more!

0:23:01 > 0:23:04He volunteers at his children's swimming club,

0:23:04 > 0:23:07but hasn't worked for six years.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09- What? - CHILD SHOUTS

0:23:09 > 0:23:12HE LAUGHS

0:23:12 > 0:23:15He used to get £460 a week in benefits.

0:23:15 > 0:23:18They've been cut by £80.

0:23:19 > 0:23:20When you get to that...

0:23:22 > 0:23:24..gambol, carry on.

0:23:24 > 0:23:26He could lose his home.

0:23:26 > 0:23:27Just do two lengths...

0:23:27 > 0:23:30'I've given up everything I can.

0:23:30 > 0:23:33'I don't drink, I don't smoke any more.

0:23:33 > 0:23:37'Everything I do is for the benefit of the kids.'

0:23:38 > 0:23:44As far as I'm concerned, it's their happiness is my priority.

0:23:44 > 0:23:49What they want, what they need, comes before mine.

0:23:51 > 0:23:52Aw!

0:23:53 > 0:23:56He says he wants to work...

0:23:56 > 0:23:58You're now dead!

0:23:58 > 0:24:00..but the issue is childcare.

0:24:00 > 0:24:04How can he hold down a job and look after his four children?

0:24:04 > 0:24:06See you later.

0:24:07 > 0:24:11More than 60% of those affected by the cap

0:24:11 > 0:24:14are single parents like Bruce.

0:24:14 > 0:24:16'It doesn't matter any more what job I do,

0:24:16 > 0:24:20'it just has to allow me

0:24:20 > 0:24:26'to financially secure the children and everything that's going on.'

0:24:35 > 0:24:36Shift work.

0:24:36 > 0:24:40Can't do shift work, again, cos of the childcare implications.

0:24:41 > 0:24:43Last week, I applied for nine.

0:24:43 > 0:24:47The week before, I think I applied for seven

0:24:47 > 0:24:53and I only heard anything back off one of them.

0:24:53 > 0:24:56When I spoke to the gentleman on the phone,

0:24:56 > 0:25:00he basically told me I needed to be completely flexible with my hours.

0:25:00 > 0:25:05Erm, they'd call me up the night before

0:25:05 > 0:25:08and tell me what I'd be working the next day,

0:25:08 > 0:25:10which, obviously, I can't do

0:25:10 > 0:25:13because I've got no-one to sort out the children.

0:25:18 > 0:25:22He says working too many hours could leave him worse off.

0:25:24 > 0:25:29What makes me best off and the most comfortable financially

0:25:29 > 0:25:32is to get between 16 and 21 hours.

0:25:32 > 0:25:36As soon as you go over that, you start losing too many benefits.

0:25:40 > 0:25:42I don't feel like I am part of the...

0:25:43 > 0:25:47..not-wanting-to-work group that are just there scrounging.

0:25:47 > 0:25:50I'm trying my best to go out to work.

0:25:50 > 0:25:55I'm trying my best to show my kids that this is the way to do things,

0:25:55 > 0:26:00this is the right way to do things, this is how you better yourself,

0:26:00 > 0:26:03this is how you make your life better.

0:26:20 > 0:26:26Oh, overdue rent from Ashfield Homes Service Directorate.

0:26:26 > 0:26:28They sound posh, don't they?

0:26:28 > 0:26:32It's two months since grandmother Colleen was capped.

0:26:32 > 0:26:35I'm fed up of getting letters coming through the door saying,

0:26:35 > 0:26:37"You have not paid your rent."

0:26:37 > 0:26:39SHE SIGHS

0:26:39 > 0:26:41It shouldn't be like that.

0:26:42 > 0:26:47£168.39 in arrears now.

0:26:47 > 0:26:51I haven't got £168.39, so it'll have to be in arrears,

0:26:51 > 0:26:52and next week, it'll be even more.

0:26:56 > 0:26:59Colleen doesn't want to pay the rent

0:26:59 > 0:27:01with the special allowance she gets for the boys.

0:27:02 > 0:27:06Today, her benefits are paid, and she's struggling.

0:27:06 > 0:27:08I always check. I check it most days, actually,

0:27:08 > 0:27:11but certainly on the days that they get monies due.

0:27:11 > 0:27:12I check it then.

0:27:12 > 0:27:13Right, come on, then.

0:27:14 > 0:27:18And it's gone in, so I can go and pay the rent,

0:27:18 > 0:27:20or at least some of it.

0:27:20 > 0:27:25Not all of it, or there's nothing left for food and other bills.

0:27:25 > 0:27:28Yeah, could you tell me how much rent I owe, please?

0:27:28 > 0:27:29Thank you.

0:27:34 > 0:27:35Thank you.

0:27:35 > 0:27:37She pays off £100.

0:27:39 > 0:27:43- That's lovely. Thank you. - See you again. Bye.- Bye.

0:27:46 > 0:27:50Colleen has already raised her own four children,

0:27:50 > 0:27:54and says she gave up work to take care of her grandkids.

0:27:56 > 0:27:58- Do you want your yoghurts?- Yeah.

0:27:58 > 0:28:01They're not on offer, but never mind.

0:28:01 > 0:28:04- You can only have one, then, right? - Yeah!- Just one today.

0:28:04 > 0:28:07If she didn't look after them, they'd be in care...

0:28:07 > 0:28:10I thought you were helping me.

0:28:10 > 0:28:14..and that would cost the taxpayer at least £100,000 a year.

0:28:15 > 0:28:18- Do you want to get me milk, please? - Yeah.

0:28:18 > 0:28:19God, that's expensive.

0:28:20 > 0:28:23This one is lots, lots cheaper, so we'll get this one.

0:28:27 > 0:28:29See what we're up to.

0:28:29 > 0:28:3222.45. That's not too bad, actually.

0:28:33 > 0:28:35Oh, decisions, decisions.

0:28:37 > 0:28:40£40.14.

0:28:40 > 0:28:42- MACHINE:- 'Thank you for shopping at Tesco.'

0:28:49 > 0:28:52Somebody's got to do something to rectify this situation

0:28:52 > 0:28:54because it is so, so appalling.

0:28:56 > 0:28:58I probably got off lightly there.

0:29:00 > 0:29:03Colleen says looking after four kids on her own

0:29:03 > 0:29:06means it's impossible for her to get a job,

0:29:06 > 0:29:09but she needs to work to escape the cap.

0:29:09 > 0:29:12- You, Ryder, you do it.- Me?

0:29:12 > 0:29:15I can't work. Roman's three.

0:29:17 > 0:29:21I've got an hour-and-a-half a day without him. And I also...

0:29:21 > 0:29:25You know, find me a job that'll keep me and these four boys

0:29:25 > 0:29:28without me claiming benefits - a decent job, a properly paid job.

0:29:28 > 0:29:31Find me one, and pay for the childcare.

0:29:31 > 0:29:34You know, this is crazy. It's absolutely crazy.

0:29:34 > 0:29:36Get in there.

0:29:38 > 0:29:41It's estimated that almost

0:29:41 > 0:29:44a quarter of a million children are affected by the benefit cap.

0:29:45 > 0:29:48They have to see me upset and that I'm tired all the time,

0:29:48 > 0:29:52and I'm just not a proper nana, which is all I ever wanted to be.

0:29:54 > 0:29:56Never wanted to be anything else.

0:29:58 > 0:30:00The whole situation's horrible.

0:30:14 > 0:30:17You're strong for the boys. You can't be like that all the time.

0:30:17 > 0:30:21- No, I can't, no. - What are the worst bits for you?

0:30:21 > 0:30:23Just worrying about the boys.

0:30:25 > 0:30:28Worrying about the boys, cos this is so wrong.

0:30:28 > 0:30:32Me and they, we're being vilified for something that isn't our fault.

0:30:32 > 0:30:35We haven't done this, we haven't caused this,

0:30:35 > 0:30:38and we're being penalised for something we haven't done,

0:30:38 > 0:30:40when we've all done the right things,

0:30:40 > 0:30:42and we're being penalised.

0:30:46 > 0:30:49We reckon, of people affected by the benefit cap,

0:30:49 > 0:30:53about 80% of them are not really in a category expected to work

0:30:53 > 0:30:56because they're sick or they have very young children.

0:30:56 > 0:30:59So there's an overall question about how this can be a policy

0:30:59 > 0:31:02about getting people into work when the group that's targeted

0:31:02 > 0:31:04isn't really expected to.

0:31:04 > 0:31:07Do you think everybody who's capped can go back to work?

0:31:07 > 0:31:10There's the Flexible Support Fund,

0:31:10 > 0:31:12and our new Personal Support Package for jobseekers

0:31:12 > 0:31:15is about trying to make sure that people have

0:31:15 > 0:31:17absolutely the most amount of support

0:31:17 > 0:31:19to enable them to make the right decision

0:31:19 > 0:31:20and the transition into work.

0:31:30 > 0:31:33It's February, and single mum-of-three Maria Devoy

0:31:33 > 0:31:35has no heating.

0:31:36 > 0:31:40And that's the letter regarding the boiler.

0:31:40 > 0:31:42As you can see...

0:31:46 > 0:31:48The boiler's broke so, in the meantime,

0:31:48 > 0:31:50we've got no heating or hot water.

0:31:50 > 0:31:54I can't do the washing. I just have to keep boiling kettles.

0:31:54 > 0:31:56Yeah, so...not the best.

0:31:58 > 0:32:01Radiators are freezing.

0:32:02 > 0:32:03Freezing.

0:32:08 > 0:32:10Come on. Where's Holly?

0:32:12 > 0:32:14It's just all so wrong.

0:32:22 > 0:32:26Maria hasn't worked for ten years and her benefits have been capped.

0:32:28 > 0:32:31She was getting £450 a week.

0:32:31 > 0:32:34That's been cut by £65.

0:32:35 > 0:32:37"You are entitled to less housing benefit

0:32:37 > 0:32:41"because of the benefit cap the government has introduced.

0:32:41 > 0:32:45"The benefit cap means the total of all the benefits you receive

0:32:45 > 0:32:48"cannot be more than a set maximum weekly amount.

0:32:48 > 0:32:51"The benefit cap reduction is 65.67."

0:32:52 > 0:32:55Just seems so wrong that they can give you the benefit...

0:32:56 > 0:32:58..then take it back off you.

0:33:02 > 0:33:05The housing benefit used to cover her rent.

0:33:05 > 0:33:10Now it's been reduced and she's £700 in arrears.

0:33:10 > 0:33:13Her housing association wants to evict her.

0:33:15 > 0:33:22We were handed a letter from the housing last week

0:33:22 > 0:33:24to say they're going to start court proceedings

0:33:24 > 0:33:27cos we've been hit by the benefit cap.

0:33:27 > 0:33:32Just don't know whether we're going to have a house next month or...

0:33:36 > 0:33:39The stress, the worry - it's just all hard.

0:33:41 > 0:33:42Where are we going to go?

0:33:44 > 0:33:46I don't know. I don't know.

0:33:57 > 0:34:02Maria was badly assaulted eight years ago

0:34:02 > 0:34:04and still suffers from her injuries.

0:34:06 > 0:34:08Why can't you work?

0:34:08 > 0:34:12Because I suffer very severe pain in my lower back.

0:34:13 > 0:34:16Even if I clean up, like mop the floor or something,

0:34:16 > 0:34:21I suffer with the pain, so I'm constantly on painkillers.

0:34:22 > 0:34:25And I can't bend, I can't lift.

0:34:28 > 0:34:31Yeah, and I'm incontinent as well.

0:34:36 > 0:34:42But she has been assessed as able to work in a limited capacity.

0:34:43 > 0:34:46As a single mum, Maria will escape the cap

0:34:46 > 0:34:49if she finds a job for 16 hours a week.

0:34:51 > 0:34:52People might watch this programme and go,

0:34:52 > 0:34:54"Look, you've not worked for ten years.

0:34:54 > 0:34:57- "This is designed to get..." - I've got kids.

0:34:57 > 0:35:01I believe, when you have kids, you bring them kids up.

0:35:01 > 0:35:03It might be old,

0:35:03 > 0:35:06but I do believe, if you have kids, you bring them up yourself.

0:35:06 > 0:35:08You don't just push them into a nursery

0:35:08 > 0:35:11and let somebody else bring them up for you cos that's wrong.

0:35:11 > 0:35:15So I've spent time at home bringing my kids up.

0:35:15 > 0:35:18That is a sort of luxury, isn't it, to be able to do that?

0:35:18 > 0:35:20Maybe you should have to work.

0:35:21 > 0:35:25Well, then everybody needs to stop having kids, don't they, really?

0:35:32 > 0:35:36A week later, and Maria still has no heating.

0:35:39 > 0:35:42This is what we got from the food bank.

0:35:42 > 0:35:47The last week's been very, very testing.

0:35:47 > 0:35:49Very testing.

0:35:49 > 0:35:53No gas, no heating, no hot water, going to the food bank.

0:35:53 > 0:35:55It's been very hard.

0:36:03 > 0:36:07Just going down to Wirral Change to try and get some advice.

0:36:10 > 0:36:14Hopefully, I'll find out if there's any help

0:36:14 > 0:36:17towards the arrears or any way round the benefit cap.

0:36:19 > 0:36:25I'm hoping for just some idea of where we're going to be next month.

0:36:26 > 0:36:30Maria's applied for a Discretionary Housing Payment

0:36:30 > 0:36:32to help with her rent.

0:36:33 > 0:36:36She's hoping it will clear the arrears

0:36:36 > 0:36:39and stop the housing association from evicting her.

0:36:40 > 0:36:47I'm here with a client who's had a pre-possession order.

0:36:48 > 0:36:52So, I'm just phoning to see whether you can just hold fire

0:36:52 > 0:36:56with this application for a possession order.

0:36:57 > 0:37:04OK, so you're not prepared to stop the possession proceedings

0:37:04 > 0:37:09on the grounds that she paid no payments of the £65?

0:37:10 > 0:37:13It's a pity that things have escalated so quickly.

0:37:13 > 0:37:15Erm... Right, OK.

0:37:15 > 0:37:17So, you're just going to carry on

0:37:17 > 0:37:20with the possession order at the moment?

0:37:20 > 0:37:24Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. OK.

0:37:24 > 0:37:26Right, OK. No joy,

0:37:26 > 0:37:30so you're going to have to attend court.

0:37:30 > 0:37:31OK.

0:37:35 > 0:37:38Her landlord is pressing ahead with the eviction.

0:37:40 > 0:37:44It's totally shocked me, that. There's just no leeway whatsoever.

0:37:44 > 0:37:48For single-parent families, they're just...

0:37:50 > 0:37:53..prepared to see you on the streets.

0:37:53 > 0:37:55I'm shocked.

0:37:59 > 0:38:01I've got to go to court,

0:38:01 > 0:38:04so the fear about that is that we're going to lose the house

0:38:04 > 0:38:06and end up on the streets.

0:38:12 > 0:38:15We can't have a situation where we are insulating people

0:38:15 > 0:38:17who are claiming out-of-work benefits

0:38:17 > 0:38:19from the very real decisions

0:38:19 > 0:38:21that people who are not on out-of-work benefits

0:38:21 > 0:38:23have to make every single day.

0:38:32 > 0:38:36There's finally some good news for homeless mum Sarah.

0:38:37 > 0:38:39She's been offered a house.

0:38:42 > 0:38:45We've got a new house. We've got a new house!

0:38:45 > 0:38:48Yeah, well, today is the big day.

0:38:48 > 0:38:52I get my keys and I'm, like, really excited.

0:38:52 > 0:38:55The council has agreed to pay my deposit on the house

0:38:55 > 0:38:57and do my first week's rent.

0:38:57 > 0:39:01Yeah, that's it. I've been waiting for this day for a long, long time.

0:39:01 > 0:39:03Like, to have a set of keys of my own for my own house.

0:39:09 > 0:39:12Because the children haven't been living with her,

0:39:12 > 0:39:14she's lost more of her benefits.

0:39:16 > 0:39:22Social services have given her an emergency payment of £30.

0:39:22 > 0:39:24That's more or less all I've got to live off

0:39:24 > 0:39:27for me and my kids till, obviously, I get paid.

0:39:27 > 0:39:30I don't know how long that's going to be.

0:39:30 > 0:39:33And I told them £30 is not going to last me, like, sort of thing,

0:39:33 > 0:39:35because, obviously, for nappies, baby wipes

0:39:35 > 0:39:37and just all of our food, like, sort of thing.

0:39:39 > 0:39:42She tells her social worker she needs more.

0:39:44 > 0:39:45It's to do with everything, Tariq!

0:39:45 > 0:39:47It's to do with having my own fucking money,

0:39:47 > 0:39:49which has a chance of being stopped anyway.

0:39:49 > 0:39:50That's what it's to do with, right?

0:39:50 > 0:39:52These people are literally taking the piss

0:39:52 > 0:39:54out of my fucking life and my kids' life

0:39:54 > 0:39:56and they're supposed to be fucking decent people.

0:39:56 > 0:39:58No, but it's up to you to fucking help me this time, isn't it?

0:39:58 > 0:40:01At the end of the day, I've got kids, yeah?

0:40:01 > 0:40:03I'm in this situation, right, which you've never been in

0:40:03 > 0:40:06or anybody probably who you know is in this situation, yeah?

0:40:06 > 0:40:08So, obviously, I need money because, like you know,

0:40:08 > 0:40:10I live day to day, yeah?

0:40:10 > 0:40:12I've got no choice but to live day to day.

0:40:12 > 0:40:14And I've got my keys to my house today, right,

0:40:14 > 0:40:16which I need money to put gas and electric in that property,

0:40:16 > 0:40:19to get my kids back, to feed my kids

0:40:19 > 0:40:21and to go and buy little essentials what I need for the house.

0:40:21 > 0:40:24I'm not waiting when I should have my own money.

0:40:28 > 0:40:30Can't do nothing about it if they're not going

0:40:30 > 0:40:32to flipping help me, like, sort of thing.

0:40:32 > 0:40:35SHE SCOFFS

0:40:35 > 0:40:36Winding me up.

0:40:45 > 0:40:47There's a lady, look, looking out the window.

0:40:49 > 0:40:52- I'm Sarah. You all right? - Pleasure to meet you.- Pleasure.

0:40:52 > 0:40:55- Nice to meet you. - I'm Lisa from the agency.

0:40:55 > 0:40:58- I'll take you round the back. - Thank you. All right, then. Yeah.

0:41:02 > 0:41:04Will the gas fire still be in here

0:41:04 > 0:41:06or is that being taken out or anything?

0:41:08 > 0:41:10- So, are you happy with it? - Yeah, I am, yeah.- Yeah?

0:41:10 > 0:41:12Yeah, it's what you make of it, isn't it?

0:41:12 > 0:41:15So, definitely, yeah. I can make it look nice.

0:41:15 > 0:41:16It's all right, isn't it?

0:41:16 > 0:41:18Kitchen's all right. I like the kitchen.

0:41:21 > 0:41:25Is this our new house? Yeah? Eh?

0:41:25 > 0:41:29- Is this Frankie's new house? Yeah? - SHE LAUGHS

0:41:29 > 0:41:31Is it Frankie's new house, yeah?

0:41:31 > 0:41:34We're going to have a good time here, eh?

0:41:39 > 0:41:42She hopes her benefits will be reinstated

0:41:42 > 0:41:44because her children will be back with her again.

0:41:47 > 0:41:49The benefit cap will still hit me.

0:41:49 > 0:41:53Like, it still will hit me but, like I said,

0:41:53 > 0:41:57because the rent's cheaper here - a lot cheaper -

0:41:57 > 0:42:01hopefully, I'll be able to get a bit more help.

0:42:03 > 0:42:06So, my fingers are crossed on that one a bit.

0:42:06 > 0:42:09I'm quite confident that I will get help.

0:42:09 > 0:42:12I will, yeah.

0:42:16 > 0:42:19What was it like when you were told you were getting the house?

0:42:19 > 0:42:20Oh, I was so excited.

0:42:20 > 0:42:23I was so excited, I felt like running up...

0:42:23 > 0:42:26I felt like running up and down the street. I did.

0:42:26 > 0:42:28I was so excited, it was unbelievable.

0:42:28 > 0:42:30Cos I thought to myself, "I'll get my own space.

0:42:30 > 0:42:33"I'm going to, like, obviously do things how I want to do things,

0:42:33 > 0:42:35"have all the kids back."

0:42:50 > 0:42:53Single dad Bruce has got an interview.

0:42:55 > 0:42:58The closer it gets, the more nervous I will get.

0:42:58 > 0:43:00Haven't had an interview in 17 years.

0:43:05 > 0:43:09If he gets work, he'll escape the benefit cap.

0:43:12 > 0:43:16There is a lot riding on it because it is being done for the kids

0:43:16 > 0:43:21and, erm, it's all of our future I'm trying to secure.

0:43:21 > 0:43:24It's not just for me, it's for all of us,

0:43:24 > 0:43:27so it's got to work.

0:43:39 > 0:43:45Nerve-racking. It was worse when I was in there than before.

0:43:46 > 0:43:48I seemed to do a lot of waffling,

0:43:48 > 0:43:51which is something I wanted to really avoid.

0:43:51 > 0:43:55Erm, but that said, I did apologise to them both for waffling.

0:43:59 > 0:44:04But if Bruce is offered the job, he might not be able to take it.

0:44:04 > 0:44:08He doesn't know if he could do the hours the bank needs.

0:44:08 > 0:44:14It was advertised as 20 hours. Erm, it's actually 25.

0:44:14 > 0:44:18I'm not sure how that will affect the tax credits

0:44:18 > 0:44:22and all that sort of thing, so I need to have a look at...

0:44:24 > 0:44:27..what childcare options there is available to me.

0:44:27 > 0:44:31I think the main thing now is just to wait the week

0:44:31 > 0:44:34to find out if I'm going to be offered the job.

0:44:37 > 0:44:40Research suggests about one in 20 people

0:44:40 > 0:44:43respond to the cap by getting a job.

0:44:46 > 0:44:51About 5% of those affected by the original cap responded,

0:44:51 > 0:44:53within a year, by moving into work.

0:44:53 > 0:44:58For any government policy to have an impact on people's work choices

0:44:58 > 0:45:01of something of the order of 5%, that's quite a big response.

0:45:01 > 0:45:03But you might expect that,

0:45:03 > 0:45:07given how big the losses were for some of those families affected.

0:45:16 > 0:45:19A week later, and Bruce has got an e-mail from the bank.

0:45:19 > 0:45:22- Read it out loud.- "Congratulations.

0:45:22 > 0:45:23"I am pleased to confirm

0:45:23 > 0:45:27"that you have been successful at your recent interview.

0:45:27 > 0:45:30"We will contact you as soon as possible

0:45:30 > 0:45:31"to discuss the next steps."

0:45:31 > 0:45:34- Ooh!- Ooh!

0:45:34 > 0:45:37- Are you happy with that, Daddy? - Yeah.

0:45:40 > 0:45:42You get to hold lots of money.

0:45:42 > 0:45:44HE CHUCKLES

0:45:44 > 0:45:48Now, if he takes the job, the benefit cap will be lifted.

0:45:48 > 0:45:51He'll get his wages and benefits.

0:45:51 > 0:45:57I think I'm going to be about £200 a week better off

0:45:57 > 0:46:00by being in work.

0:46:00 > 0:46:03At the end of the day, it gets me out of the system.

0:46:05 > 0:46:09It gets me off Jobseeker's, back into work,

0:46:09 > 0:46:15and it's allowing me and my children to carry on living the way we do.

0:46:19 > 0:46:22But the working hours are difficult for Bruce.

0:46:22 > 0:46:25He's still not sorted out the childcare.

0:46:25 > 0:46:28He thinks he might end up worse off.

0:46:30 > 0:46:33Hopefully, I won't have to use that much childcare

0:46:33 > 0:46:36and, hopefully, I can get it all to fit together

0:46:36 > 0:46:43so that they can carry on doing all their activities.

0:46:44 > 0:46:47I suppose I'm just going to hope that's taken into consideration.

0:46:51 > 0:46:53What decision did you make?

0:46:53 > 0:46:54I couldn't make it work.

0:46:54 > 0:46:59I couldn't find a childminder or someone to look after the children

0:46:59 > 0:47:01for the Saturdays.

0:47:01 > 0:47:05I couldn't find someone that would look after the children

0:47:05 > 0:47:09late enough when I was doing the half past five finish.

0:47:09 > 0:47:13For the commute back from Birmingham to then go and collect my children,

0:47:13 > 0:47:15I would have missed the cut-off point

0:47:15 > 0:47:17for collecting the children from the childminder.

0:47:17 > 0:47:19It just didn't work.

0:47:26 > 0:47:28Ooh, now, I shall have to go back a little bit,

0:47:28 > 0:47:31otherwise the nasty little man will be round with a ticket.

0:47:31 > 0:47:35Most carers are exempt from the benefit cap,

0:47:35 > 0:47:37but kinship carers like Colleen,

0:47:37 > 0:47:41who look after the children of relatives, are not.

0:47:41 > 0:47:44She wants her MP to get that changed.

0:47:45 > 0:47:47- I've been to the minister.- And...?

0:47:47 > 0:47:51I think, longer term, we have to find a way

0:47:51 > 0:47:55of trying to continue to get kinship carers recognised...

0:47:55 > 0:47:57- Absolutely. - ..in terms of the work...

0:47:57 > 0:47:58It can't be anything else.

0:47:58 > 0:48:01No, that's right. But that is a long-term project.

0:48:01 > 0:48:04- That does not help you out personally in the short-term.- No.

0:48:04 > 0:48:07I think we've got to work with the system as it is...

0:48:07 > 0:48:10Her MP supports the cap,

0:48:10 > 0:48:13but believes kinship carers should be exempt.

0:48:13 > 0:48:16- But if this situation doesn't alter...- Yes.

0:48:16 > 0:48:18..there will be a lot of children going into care,

0:48:18 > 0:48:20and what will that do to the coffers?

0:48:20 > 0:48:22Well, of course, it will ultimately cost the state.

0:48:22 > 0:48:24I wholly recognise what you're...

0:48:24 > 0:48:26But, you see, why have I got to keep applying for things?

0:48:26 > 0:48:29- Why are kinship carers not, "Right, tick box"?- Yeah.

0:48:29 > 0:48:32They are doing a damn good job as it is, and I am...

0:48:32 > 0:48:35- Yeah. - ..but I can't continue with this.

0:48:35 > 0:48:38I've got children to look after. I've got papers this high at home

0:48:38 > 0:48:41and I'm sick to the back teeth of it.

0:48:41 > 0:48:44So, short-term, we've got to deal with the system as it is.

0:48:44 > 0:48:47You know, I accept the challenge

0:48:47 > 0:48:48but, short-term, let's try and make sure

0:48:48 > 0:48:51you've got enough cash to look after those kids.

0:48:51 > 0:48:53Well, I haven't, cos I've got £75.74 a week.

0:48:53 > 0:48:54It's gone every week.

0:48:54 > 0:48:57- Hang in there.- I don't know if I can any longer, Mark.

0:48:57 > 0:48:59I seriously don't think I can any more.

0:48:59 > 0:49:01It's getting ridiculous. It's every year.

0:49:01 > 0:49:04There's something every year, and I can't continue to do it.

0:49:04 > 0:49:06It's too much for one person to deal with.

0:49:06 > 0:49:09There's no help, no...

0:49:09 > 0:49:11No help, no support, no respite. There's nothing.

0:49:11 > 0:49:14I've got this 24 hours a day, seven days a week,

0:49:14 > 0:49:17and I cannot continue for much longer.

0:49:18 > 0:49:19It's too difficult.

0:49:21 > 0:49:23Far too difficult for anyone.

0:49:31 > 0:49:33That's a dreadful situation to be in.

0:49:33 > 0:49:34It's dreadful for anybody.

0:49:36 > 0:49:38I might just as well go home and shoot myself.

0:49:40 > 0:49:44- 'You don't mean that, do you?' - Yes. Yeah, that's how I feel.

0:49:45 > 0:49:50What's the point? What is the point in trying to carry on?

0:49:52 > 0:49:54I don't know where to go.

0:49:54 > 0:49:57I don't know where to go, and I can't continue like this.

0:50:05 > 0:50:07Should kinship carers be capped?

0:50:07 > 0:50:10Well, I think there are exemptions in place

0:50:10 > 0:50:11for some carers, but there are also

0:50:11 > 0:50:14Discretionary Housing Payments available

0:50:14 > 0:50:17and the Flexible Support Fund, Personal Support Packages.

0:50:17 > 0:50:19We have worked really hard

0:50:19 > 0:50:21to make sure that those who are in most need

0:50:21 > 0:50:24are supported by the government.

0:50:24 > 0:50:27I think it's extraordinary that kinship carers are not exempt.

0:50:27 > 0:50:31People who step in and look after their grandchildren

0:50:31 > 0:50:35or other people's children ought to be helped.

0:50:35 > 0:50:38They really shouldn't be the target of this policy.

0:50:47 > 0:50:51It's been a week since Sarah moved into her new house.

0:50:54 > 0:50:58She lost most of her possessions when she was evicted,

0:50:58 > 0:51:01and is having to rely on hand-outs from friends.

0:51:01 > 0:51:06Microwave, kettle, toaster. Got me a bed.

0:51:06 > 0:51:09Just bits and bobs, like towels and...

0:51:09 > 0:51:13Just some bits and bobs like that. That table that's in the front room.

0:51:14 > 0:51:16Yeah, I didn't have nothing.

0:51:16 > 0:51:20Obviously, brought me this rug down, brought me the TV stand down.

0:51:28 > 0:51:33Erm, this room, I'm sleeping here at the minute.

0:51:33 > 0:51:35Obviously, this is all that we've got.

0:51:36 > 0:51:38But it's comfortable.

0:51:42 > 0:51:45But Sarah's had to give up her baby again.

0:51:45 > 0:51:48The house is unfit for a one-year-old.

0:51:49 > 0:51:51This is Frankie's cot.

0:51:51 > 0:51:54Still obviously need to make it all up properly and stuff like that.

0:51:54 > 0:51:57And I've got the drapes to it and stuff.

0:51:57 > 0:51:58But when she's coming back,

0:51:58 > 0:52:00then, obviously, I'll make it up all proper.

0:52:01 > 0:52:02I will.

0:52:05 > 0:52:07I'll just wash them sheets and stuff like that.

0:52:07 > 0:52:10Just put them on there ready for her to come back.

0:52:19 > 0:52:21Sarah's trapped.

0:52:21 > 0:52:26She can't get her benefits until her children move in,

0:52:26 > 0:52:29but she can't buy the things her children need to live here

0:52:29 > 0:52:31until she gets her benefits.

0:52:32 > 0:52:36I need the kids to be here so, like, obviously, I can claim for them.

0:52:36 > 0:52:39I'm stuck in this situation sort of thing cos, obviously,

0:52:39 > 0:52:41I've clearly got nothing in the house or whatever.

0:52:42 > 0:52:45Spoke to the council yesterday and obviously I've said, like,

0:52:45 > 0:52:46my money's been suspended.

0:52:46 > 0:52:49And she's saying to me, basically, like, obviously,

0:52:49 > 0:52:53if I don't sort it ASAP, which there's nothing I can sort,

0:52:53 > 0:52:55then I could lose this house again now,

0:52:55 > 0:52:57and I've only had this house, like...

0:52:57 > 0:53:00I've had it a week now. I got the keys a week ago.

0:53:06 > 0:53:10Social services were supposed to be taking me to this place today

0:53:10 > 0:53:12so I can go and get some bits and bobs -

0:53:12 > 0:53:15curtains and bits and bobs like that, like kids' beds -

0:53:15 > 0:53:19and, obviously, they've never phoned me

0:53:19 > 0:53:21or texted me or anything like that to tell me they're not coming.

0:53:21 > 0:53:22They've just not turned up.

0:53:22 > 0:53:24- PHONE BUZZES - Oh, Tariq there.

0:53:24 > 0:53:27- While we're filming, the social worker calls.- Tariq.

0:53:29 > 0:53:31No, I'm not all right, actually. What happened today?

0:53:31 > 0:53:33What happened to this morning?

0:53:33 > 0:53:34But this is urgent, like, Tariq.

0:53:34 > 0:53:36It needs, like, rushing off, sort of thing.

0:53:36 > 0:53:38Obviously, I can't get my kids back here, can I,

0:53:38 > 0:53:40till I've got my stuff in my house? So, why is it longing out?

0:53:40 > 0:53:43Why are you longing it out, like, so bad?

0:53:43 > 0:53:45Well, obviously, Tariq, it's flipping urgent, isn't it?

0:53:45 > 0:53:47The quicker I get my stuff in my house,

0:53:47 > 0:53:49the quicker I can get the kids back here.

0:53:50 > 0:53:53He tells her they can't give her a lift.

0:53:54 > 0:53:56Do you know what? I've got to put the fucking phone down

0:53:56 > 0:53:59cos I'm going to go fucking mad!

0:53:59 > 0:54:00Fucking arsehole twat!

0:54:01 > 0:54:03Fucking arsehole twat.

0:54:05 > 0:54:08- BANGING - I don't even want this house!

0:54:08 > 0:54:10Swear to God.

0:54:24 > 0:54:26Sarah only moved in a week ago,

0:54:26 > 0:54:30but is already at risk of losing her home.

0:54:30 > 0:54:32She's not getting any housing benefit

0:54:32 > 0:54:34and can't pay her rent.

0:54:34 > 0:54:36The kids can't be here.

0:54:36 > 0:54:38I can't buy nothing anyway for the house and stuff like that,

0:54:38 > 0:54:39so what is the point?

0:54:39 > 0:54:42That's why I get pissed off. That's why I get so mad.

0:54:43 > 0:54:47Obviously, I've been wanting a house for so long

0:54:47 > 0:54:51and, obviously, I've got one, but there's nothing what I can do.

0:54:51 > 0:54:55There's nothing what I can do, like, to make it a house,

0:54:55 > 0:54:58to make it a home for the family.

0:55:01 > 0:55:04It's all because of this stupid benefit cap.

0:55:04 > 0:55:09If it weren't for the benefit cap, then I would not be living like this

0:55:09 > 0:55:11and my money wouldn't have been stopped,

0:55:11 > 0:55:13my kids would have still been with me.

0:55:14 > 0:55:15Yeah.

0:55:17 > 0:55:19Yeah, that's why.

0:55:32 > 0:55:36The benefit cap blows a massive hole in the safety net.

0:55:36 > 0:55:37Parliament sets the rate

0:55:37 > 0:55:40at which people are expected to live on benefits.

0:55:40 > 0:55:44This policy picks on a random group of people and says,

0:55:44 > 0:55:46"You will live below that level."

0:55:46 > 0:55:49That doesn't make any sense at all.

0:55:49 > 0:55:52If you want to think about saving money from benefits,

0:55:52 > 0:55:54there's a more rational way to do it.

0:55:54 > 0:55:57I think the benefit cap introduces fairness into the system.

0:55:57 > 0:56:01It's really important that families who are working -

0:56:01 > 0:56:03and, in many cases, four in ten families

0:56:03 > 0:56:07will be bringing home a similar amount to the benefit cap -

0:56:07 > 0:56:09it's really important that we have fairness for them

0:56:09 > 0:56:12as well as a support mechanism for the most vulnerable.

0:56:17 > 0:56:22So far, the benefit cap hasn't worked for our five families.

0:56:22 > 0:56:23None of them are in a job.

0:56:26 > 0:56:29Steve and Kim's Discretionary Housing Payment

0:56:29 > 0:56:30has run out.

0:56:30 > 0:56:34They're applying for more, but could lose their home.

0:56:34 > 0:56:37Steve is still looking for work.

0:56:41 > 0:56:45Maria has now been given a Discretionary Housing Payment

0:56:45 > 0:56:47that will cover her rent arrears.

0:56:47 > 0:56:50It should stop her being evicted for now.

0:56:51 > 0:56:53She's not looking for work.

0:56:57 > 0:57:02Colleen continues to campaign to get kinship carers spared the cap.

0:57:06 > 0:57:09Bruce has more interviews lined up,

0:57:09 > 0:57:13but has yet to find a job that can fit around his children.

0:57:17 > 0:57:20Sarah still has her house,

0:57:20 > 0:57:23but it remains unfurnished

0:57:23 > 0:57:27and she still has no way of paying the rent.