:00:00. > :00:19.Tonight we are in Stamford in Lincolnshire and this is Question
:00:20. > :00:23.Time. And a big welcome, with whether you're watching or listening
:00:24. > :00:26.to all our audience here and to our panel tonight, the Conservative
:00:27. > :00:31.Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, the Labour MP elected
:00:32. > :00:35.last year one of the rising stars of the new intake, Jess Phillips, the
:00:36. > :00:39.Westminster leader of the Scottish National Party, Laura Robson, the
:00:40. > :00:45.columnist for the Independent, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, and the boss
:00:46. > :00:49.of the advertising firm Graham Satchell, who worked on last year's
:00:50. > :01:00.election campaign, Aaron Lennon. APPLAUSE.
:01:01. > :01:07.-- advertising firm M Saatchi. Thank you. The as ever get stuck
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:01:24. > :01:26.question tonight. The average worker pays 20% tax
:01:27. > :01:29.but Google pay only 3%. Why is it one rule for multinational
:01:30. > :01:44.corporations and another Jess Phillips? Well, if Google are
:01:45. > :01:46.only paying 3% tax, that's completely and utterly up fair. At
:01:47. > :01:55.the moment... APPLAUSE. At the moment, we have
:01:56. > :02:04.absolutely no idea what rate of tax Google are paying, because it seems
:02:05. > :02:07.to be shrouded in secrecy. When the Ministers were asked, they said they
:02:08. > :02:11.didn't know. The average taxpayer will tell you at what rate they pay
:02:12. > :02:17.tax. I think Google should have to do the same. It should be fair. I'm
:02:18. > :02:21.sure the Conservative on the panel will say it is great for the country
:02:22. > :02:26.Google are paying, because they didn't pay anything for all those
:02:27. > :02:32.years, Labour didn't bother to get anything... Don't do his work for
:02:33. > :02:38.hem. When everybody in this room and in the world is being asked to
:02:39. > :02:42.tighten their belts, have less care hours, pay more VAT, why are
:02:43. > :02:49.companies like Google getting a bung?
:02:50. > :02:53.APPLAUSE. What do you think? I think the gap between the rich and the
:02:54. > :02:58.poor has never been larger than it is now. Unless we do something to
:02:59. > :03:04.address it, this is going to continue. I think it is deeply
:03:05. > :03:11.unfair. Aaron Lennon? Let me ask you a question. If you were asked, you
:03:12. > :03:15.were told you can pay any tax rate you wanted, would pay more than you
:03:16. > :03:19.are paying at the moment? I would guess you would probably say I would
:03:20. > :03:23.put something into my pension, I might give some to my children, I
:03:24. > :03:28.might pay less than die at the moment. That's the choice Google
:03:29. > :03:33.has. The law says they can pay pretty much, with a little legal
:03:34. > :03:39.shimmy here... But Google have a choice... They do what they like.
:03:40. > :03:44.The law needs to change. I'm surprised at Google. Two years ago I
:03:45. > :03:47.was doing Question Time in Corby. I said that the point Google should do
:03:48. > :03:51.the right thing. The argument is they will do what's best to their
:03:52. > :03:56.shareholders, they have to make a profit. The best thing for their
:03:57. > :04:01.shareholders is sustainable proof societies people like you, like
:04:02. > :04:04.them, they look after their customers and that includes paying
:04:05. > :04:07.the right amount of tax. Do you think it was a major success when
:04:08. > :04:10.George Osborne announced this? No, it was move forward. The much more
:04:11. > :04:15.important thing is what happens in the future and whether the deferred
:04:16. > :04:19.profit is effective so that going forward they'll be paying hundreds
:04:20. > :04:25.of millions of tax which they should be at 20% rate, not a 3% rate.
:04:26. > :04:37.Yasmin Alibhai-Brown? I'm surprised you are that confident. Goodness me,
:04:38. > :04:42.this shinning keeping, bring back the old, Rowntrees and Cadbury's,
:04:43. > :04:45.they had a conscience. Do these guys know anything about ethics and
:04:46. > :04:49.social responsibility? They are really smart. They've already said
:04:50. > :04:57.they haven't a presence in London. Have you been there? You must have
:04:58. > :05:02.been wined and dined there. Amazing places. And I don't think Labour can
:05:03. > :05:10.get away with saying yes we should have done it then. They were
:05:11. > :05:14.completely inthrall. Peter Mandelson saying, do you remember, we are
:05:15. > :05:18.intensely relaxed about the filthy rich. They started it. In that sense
:05:19. > :05:23.I agreed for a change with the Prime Minister when he said it started a
:05:24. > :05:27.long time ago. But what would you do, change the tax rules? What
:05:28. > :05:32.France is doing, what Italy is doing. You don't know what they are
:05:33. > :05:37.doing. Their arrangements. They haven't changed them yet. I would go
:05:38. > :05:40.with what the European Commission is suggesting, the OECD is suggesting
:05:41. > :05:46.is, stop being this internal competition. We should stop being a
:05:47. > :05:50.tax haven for these companies and we should stop subsidising the very
:05:51. > :06:00.rich. APPLAUSE. Patrick McLoughlin? Well,
:06:01. > :06:04.we have started to receive tax from Google, which is something that
:06:05. > :06:07.hasn't happened for the ten years they've been established here. So in
:06:08. > :06:12.that position the Chancellor was right to say it was a move in the
:06:13. > :06:15.right direction. Of course I would like to see Google making more
:06:16. > :06:19.payments to the country, and employing more people in this
:06:20. > :06:22.country. They do employ 3,000 people, top end jobs. They are doing
:06:23. > :06:25.a lot of investment in this country as well, which is good for the
:06:26. > :06:29.long-term economic future of the country. But I believe in a low tax
:06:30. > :06:33.base. I believe in attracting companies here. I believe when those
:06:34. > :06:37.companies are here they should pay their tax, which is rightly
:06:38. > :06:41.collected. But companies can and have found ways around paying
:06:42. > :06:44.taxation and we've made a lot of changes to corporation, to the
:06:45. > :06:51.taxation system that will make them pay more over the years to come.
:06:52. > :07:01.Nasty newspapers are saying that there've been 20 meetings with
:07:02. > :07:12.Google big shots... I didn't have that with my taxes. I have had many
:07:13. > :07:17.meetings with with companies. I'm surprised you believe everything you
:07:18. > :07:21.read in the newspaper. I know you write in them but you shouldn't
:07:22. > :07:25.believe everything you read. Try to clarify from the Tory Party's point
:07:26. > :07:31.of view, which you are representing. The Chancellor says it's a major
:07:32. > :07:35.success. Boris Johnson says it is derisory, Anna Soubry the Business
:07:36. > :07:39.Minister said it doesn't sound a lot of money. What's the truth? The
:07:40. > :07:43.truth is it is a move in the right direction. There is more for them to
:07:44. > :07:48.pay and I want them to pay more in the future. Would you call it a
:07:49. > :07:54.major success? The fact they've not paid any tax and have now paid ?123
:07:55. > :08:00.million, it is a move in the right direction. Doesn't the fact that we
:08:01. > :08:05.accept such a small amount from such a large corporation send out a
:08:06. > :08:07.dangerous message to all the corporations paying a minimal amount
:08:08. > :08:15.of tax? APPLAUSE. And you, Sir. It amazes me
:08:16. > :08:19.from members of the panel who've actually said, blamed it back on
:08:20. > :08:25.previous Government as well, the fact is it is still taking six years
:08:26. > :08:29.of the Tories and the cohorts, the Liberal Democrats, OK we keep
:08:30. > :08:34.blaming the Blairites and the rest of it. The problem is definitely
:08:35. > :08:41.seated in this last Tory Government, two governments, rather. Laura
:08:42. > :08:49.Robson? Robson? Lump lump Angus Robertson? Is this a simple matter
:08:50. > :08:54.to be resolved? We have to recognise the UK has the most advanced tax
:08:55. > :09:00.laws in the world. It is a matter of companies and all of us paying our
:09:01. > :09:03.fair share of taxes. Governments should simplify the tax code. Let's
:09:04. > :09:07.not kid ourselves. The City of London is advertised around the
:09:08. > :09:12.world as a place to do business and in large part because people can use
:09:13. > :09:19.tax wheezes to get out of their taxes. Point one. And let's not walk
:09:20. > :09:24.away from the responsibility the UK has amongst its crowned depend sis,
:09:25. > :09:29.a series of island near and far, who make most of their money through tax
:09:30. > :09:32.wheezes. What could the British Government do about that? The UK
:09:33. > :09:39.Government has a responsibility to work with the crown depend sis and
:09:40. > :09:43.close down these tax loop holes. I have never felt as much anger around
:09:44. > :09:48.tax issues as I have in the last couple of days on this issue. The
:09:49. > :09:54.idea that any of us could decide we are just going to pay 3% in tax,
:09:55. > :09:58.that you can pick up the phone and the Chancellor of the Exchequer will
:09:59. > :10:03.meet you personally to discuss what tax rate you want to pay. This is
:10:04. > :10:16.totally and utterly unacceptable. APPLAUSE. This first opportunity
:10:17. > :10:21.I've had to speak on this subject. Let's clear the decks on this
:10:22. > :10:26.subject. Let's have the issue properly investigated. Because if
:10:27. > :10:32.the homework has been done and if the 3% is justified, and there's
:10:33. > :10:37.some transparency, we could have some faith in ow things are being
:10:38. > :10:40.managed on our behalf by the British Government and the HMRC. I want a
:10:41. > :10:46.European Commission investigation into this. Patrick McLoughlin? The
:10:47. > :10:53.NAO can investigate it and may well look at this. The since 2010 we've
:10:54. > :10:59.made over 40 changes to the tax laws to close leap holes left behind when
:11:00. > :11:03.you left office. Investment companies cut their tax bill by
:11:04. > :11:07.flipping the currencies. We stopped this in 2011. Yes we want those
:11:08. > :11:15.companies based in this country to pay their fair share of tax. We will
:11:16. > :11:21.pursue them if they are not. Silence, Patrick. Nobody believes
:11:22. > :11:26.you. Let's hear from members of the audience. I think the point that the
:11:27. > :11:31.Tory member is making there is a small point. It is a drop in the
:11:32. > :11:37.ocean what they've got from Google. And last year there's a lot of other
:11:38. > :11:42.companies out there that are not, Google is in the forefront, Facebook
:11:43. > :11:49.last year paid less tax than I did. It is really wrong. Google says
:11:50. > :11:53.Governments make tax law, tax authorities, HMRC, enforce the law,
:11:54. > :11:59.and Google complies with the law. That's the Google position. Is it
:12:00. > :12:04.possible to do? Absolutely. It is important to remember just yesterday
:12:05. > :12:08.there was a case taken up in the appeals court on the bedroom tax. We
:12:09. > :12:18.are coming to that later. Don't talk about that. We may not come to it
:12:19. > :12:28.but we may come to it. APPLAUSE. Isn't one of the
:12:29. > :12:37.fundamental problems with this the fact there is a revolving door with
:12:38. > :12:42.the HMRC and big accountancy firms. You run a big company, what do you
:12:43. > :12:46.say so that point? I would like to make a point. There is another way
:12:47. > :12:51.to some of this. It is not through the law but the law is the best way
:12:52. > :12:54.to do that. It is referring to your anger is to take that anger to the
:12:55. > :12:59.companies. Google and Facebook understand this very well. It is
:13:00. > :13:02.their business. If you go online, if that anger goes online, they
:13:03. > :13:08.understand that sentiment changes quickly. That will make them change.
:13:09. > :13:15.How do you find out anything if you don't use doingle? We all use
:13:16. > :13:19.Google? I wasn't say boycott, but use their product against them.
:13:20. > :13:22.There is an argument I've heard that Google pays a lot of tax in the
:13:23. > :13:27.United States. The problem sit pays most of its tax in the United States
:13:28. > :13:39.and not in other European countries. Is that true? That's part of the
:13:40. > :13:44.problem with multinational companies. You need international
:13:45. > :13:49.agreements as to where tax is liable. The sales are, to the
:13:50. > :13:53.advertising industry are in the UK. They book them in Ireland. Therefore
:13:54. > :14:02.the tax is not paid in the UK. It shoot, a lawyer has to be
:14:03. > :14:05.internationally agreed. And the first stage is transparency.
:14:06. > :14:13.Transparency. Can I pay my taxes through Ireland? If you are clever
:14:14. > :14:17.you could. The woman on the gangway. I think it is more a question of
:14:18. > :14:24.legislation. Legislation. I'm not going to say Labour or the Tories
:14:25. > :14:30.are to blame. It is being sorted now. What Mr Saatchi said is right,
:14:31. > :14:35.what we are looking for between business, and I run a small
:14:36. > :14:40.business, and I know percentage-wise I paid a higher percentage last year
:14:41. > :14:45.than Google did. It is not going to bother me now, it's done. They are
:14:46. > :14:50.going to pay more going forward. But we need balance between what we are
:14:51. > :14:56.asking the general public to pay and what we are asking companies to pay.
:14:57. > :15:01.We have paid out a lot more. We've got other companies like Tesco
:15:02. > :15:06.who've made billions in profits. Yes, paid the first share of taxes
:15:07. > :15:12.but we've subsidised them through tax credits. I'm not saying tax
:15:13. > :15:17.credits are a bad thing, they've been needed. But if we can get
:15:18. > :15:22.companies to not only pay their fair share of tax, their fair share of
:15:23. > :15:23.wages, we will get equilibrium. That's what we need.
:15:24. > :15:41.APPLAUSE. In fairness, you might mistake him
:15:42. > :15:46.for Mr Saatchi but he is actually Mr McLevel and.
:15:47. > :15:52.He runs the Saatchi show! I think we have to show the public how the tax
:15:53. > :15:57.system works, let's bring out the HMRC investigation, and what I want
:15:58. > :16:01.to know how much of the taxpayer's money does it cost to get this
:16:02. > :16:10.minimal amount of tax. What was it that was agreed? Is that
:16:11. > :16:16.confident shall? The direct negotiations between HMRC and the
:16:17. > :16:24.company are confident shall. But there could be an audit. roux
:16:25. > :16:30.Parker was asked... This happened in the last Parliament. We found that
:16:31. > :16:37.every single action of HMRC was reasonable. It is up to the NAO.
:16:38. > :16:42.They do not need advice from me. I'm sure that the pressure will come on
:16:43. > :16:47.them to do it. Well, I am sure that Boris Johnson
:16:48. > :16:52.would like it and Anna Soubry would like it.
:16:53. > :16:58.I don't know about George Osborne. One more question.
:16:59. > :17:02.Lots of good things come from paying tax, the NHS, education, our Social
:17:03. > :17:09.Services, so I think it is disappointing that a company like
:17:10. > :17:19.Google whose strap line was: Do no evil, are not leading the way.
:17:20. > :17:25.You sir? It is not often that I agree with Yasmin Alibhai Brown...
:17:26. > :17:31.She never knew that! However, tonight, you have won a fan. She is
:17:32. > :17:36.quite right in what she is saying about the working class being
:17:37. > :17:40.fleeced in this country for income tax by the Tory party and the fact
:17:41. > :17:45.that the Tory Party is fleecing the working class and that the
:17:46. > :17:53.multinationals are getting away with blue murder. Patrick McGloughlin,
:17:54. > :17:58.you should know better, you are an ex-miner and you should remember
:17:59. > :18:01.your roots. I don't need reminding about my
:18:02. > :18:07.roots. You, sir? I'm sure that Google does
:18:08. > :18:13.not have to wait an hour waiting to speak with the Tax Office! I
:18:14. > :18:19.understand that they have their own a advisor to speak to, so I don't
:18:20. > :18:24.know why we don't know more about their business and they have been
:18:25. > :18:29.allowed to get away with such low taxes in the first place.
:18:30. > :18:32.If you live in Bradford, near Bradford and would like to come to
:18:33. > :18:38.the programme in West Yorkshire, you are welcome. And the week after
:18:39. > :18:42.that, if you are in or around Llanelli in Wales, we would like you
:18:43. > :18:46.to come too. The details are on the screen. I
:18:47. > :18:49.will repeat them after the programme.
:18:50. > :18:53.Can Britain afford or cope with taking more refugees? Can Britain
:18:54. > :19:00.afford or cope with taking more refugees? What is your view? I I
:19:01. > :19:05.think it would be the right thing to do, whether or not we can afford it
:19:06. > :19:09.when we have so many of our own on the streets unable to pay the bills
:19:10. > :19:13.and feed their children, I think we have to weigh up what is important
:19:14. > :19:21.and what can go before we make room for what matters.
:19:22. > :19:26.Andrew roberedson? Is it right, it is. We are hearing that we are going
:19:27. > :19:31.to do soak about the children, the unaccompanied children in Europe, or
:19:32. > :19:36.in surrounding countries, they have been trying to flee war. I am often
:19:37. > :19:42.reminded of the role that the UK played in the 1930s when it took in
:19:43. > :19:46.more than 10,000 Jewish children on the Kinkeder transport.
:19:47. > :19:51.It is worth remembering the same debate took place at that time and
:19:52. > :19:56.people said: Can we afford it, should we do it? The lessons of
:19:57. > :20:02.history are yes, we had to do it, we did it, I think we should take the
:20:03. > :20:08.same attitude now. The UK has taken in far, far less than our European
:20:09. > :20:12.neighbours. We are facing the biggest calamity that has befallen
:20:13. > :20:17.this country, in the movement of people through war and desperate
:20:18. > :20:20.situations, it is incumbent on us to do everything that we possibly can.
:20:21. > :20:29.APPLAUSE. What kind of number? The truth is
:20:30. > :20:35.that this is between the parties, a game of numbers. Some people say
:20:36. > :20:39.20,000 over the next five years, like the Tories do, then Jeremy
:20:40. > :20:45.Corbyn says 3,000 from across the Channel. There are 1 million people
:20:46. > :20:49.in Europe. So what would your estimate be? What balance? How do
:20:50. > :20:54.you decide? We have problems here, how many can we afford to absorb in
:20:55. > :20:59.this country? The honest answer is that we don't know the scale of the
:21:00. > :21:03.crisis as it is ongoing. What we know, it has been 1 million in the
:21:04. > :21:07.last year. We know when the spring and the summer come, more people are
:21:08. > :21:11.going to come as well. We know that the situation in Libya is getting
:21:12. > :21:15.worse. We are beginning to hear that on our screens now. It is not just
:21:16. > :21:19.about people being displaced from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. Libya is
:21:20. > :21:24.going to come back into the equation. What is an easier thing to
:21:25. > :21:29.answer, the specific question: Do I think that the UK, a state of more
:21:30. > :21:33.than 60 million people, could this country take in 3,000 children? The
:21:34. > :21:43.answer is yes. All of them.
:21:44. > :21:51.APPLAUSE. Yes, please? I wanted to comment
:21:52. > :21:54.that I thought that the Prime Minister's comment at Prime
:21:55. > :22:01.Minister's Questions was shameful in the way how he referred to migrants.
:22:02. > :22:05.I think he continues to incite hatred and prejudice. He should
:22:06. > :22:09.apologise. For a "bunch migrants"? Should he
:22:10. > :22:15.apologise for saying "bunch migrants"? I don't think that is the
:22:16. > :22:23.description of what Jeremy Corbyn surrounded himself with... They have
:22:24. > :22:27.people that have faced much worse than you have face faced in your
:22:28. > :22:33.life. Are a moral nation, we need to
:22:34. > :22:42.fulfil our Morell responsibilities. I am part of a government that
:22:43. > :22:48.meets, our numbers, the first government to do that.
:22:49. > :22:52.We are are the second biggest bilateral donor in the humanitarian
:22:53. > :22:59.crisis to Syria. More than any other country is doing, more than ?1.1
:23:00. > :23:04.billion. We have sent in the Royal Navy to bring back people so they
:23:05. > :23:10.are not drowning and don't get into terrible danger. They are in
:23:11. > :23:15.terrible danger where they are. They are scared.
:23:16. > :23:21.The simple fact is we don't know the numbers. Assangeus said, it was a
:23:22. > :23:26.million last year. There was something like 12 million displaced
:23:27. > :23:30.in Syria alone. We are co-hosting in London along with the Germans and
:23:31. > :23:35.the UN conference on Syria, where to make progress. This is something not
:23:36. > :23:41.just one country alone can do. How do you decide? How do you answer
:23:42. > :23:46.the question of how many more refugees Britain can absorb? Is it a
:23:47. > :23:51.malter of money? Welfare? Facilities? As a Government, what
:23:52. > :23:56.are you doing when you sit down to say you will take 25,000 over five
:23:57. > :24:01.years? Part of the money is given to camps in supporting the Syrian
:24:02. > :24:04.families in the camps, so as I said, we are the second biggest donor
:24:05. > :24:08.after the United States. You said that.
:24:09. > :24:12.But you heard the appeal in the interruptions from the right here,
:24:13. > :24:17.that there are hundreds of thousands of millions of people... We have
:24:18. > :24:21.said that we would do 1,000 before Christmas, that was done. Fulfilled.
:24:22. > :24:26.We have said we will take more of the displaced children. We said they
:24:27. > :24:28.should be taken from the camps. Not necessarily those brought into
:24:29. > :24:31.Europe. Jess Philips? The answer to the
:24:32. > :24:36.question is of course we should take as many as we can.
:24:37. > :24:42.What does that mean? The way to decide how to afford it is to look
:24:43. > :24:46.at our areas. I live in Birmingham, if Birmingham City Council takes a
:24:47. > :24:52.genuine look at what school places are available, housing is available.
:24:53. > :24:56.Looks wholesale at where to fit in more and tightened our belts we
:24:57. > :25:01.could take a certain number. That number needs to feed in. I bet there
:25:02. > :25:05.are not any living in whit Which? In David Cameron's constituency. But it
:25:06. > :25:09.is the poorest of the country that has to suffer the effects of
:25:10. > :25:14.migration. I want everyone of every part of the country to look at what
:25:15. > :25:20.they can offer. There are 4,000 children who have settled in Italy,
:25:21. > :25:25.have gone missing, expected to have been trafficked for sex, those are
:25:26. > :25:32.children. Imagine if that was your children. We should take our fair
:25:33. > :25:35.share of the 26,000 children in Europe, in the UK that is 3,000.
:25:36. > :25:41.There should be no question. APPLAUSE.
:25:42. > :25:46.The woman there. Yes, you. That's it.
:25:47. > :25:51.Yes, I'm just completely, I just think it is a disgrace. The Tory guy
:25:52. > :25:56.there, to keep saying all of these figures, we have given this, given
:25:57. > :26:01.that. That is not the point. It is what you guys are saying. We have
:26:02. > :26:09.basically slammed the doors on these people. I have come back from
:26:10. > :26:12.Lesbos. I have seen the shoes on the beach of babies, babygros, it is
:26:13. > :26:16.happening every day. People are drowning in the seas. With the
:26:17. > :26:22.Schengen and the pressure on Greece, how are they going to control their
:26:23. > :26:24.borders? It is a complete joke. The Tory Government should be absolutely
:26:25. > :26:33.ashamed of themselves. APPLAUSE.
:26:34. > :26:39.Of course the UK can afford and can cope with more refugees. It is easy
:26:40. > :26:45.to say that we should take more. We should take displaced children. We
:26:46. > :26:50.should take them from the camps both in Europe, and in Turkey, Lebanon
:26:51. > :26:54.and other places. The more difficult question is, is that the kindest
:26:55. > :26:58.thing to do, to take as many as possible, to your shoes on the beach
:26:59. > :27:04.point - it will encourage more shoes on the beach. That is the dilemma
:27:05. > :27:08.that we have. I completely disagree. Have you been
:27:09. > :27:13.there? At the moment, there are 6 million more refugees waiting to
:27:14. > :27:21.come. Is the kindest thing to do is to get more people on boats drowning
:27:22. > :27:33.on their way? No, it is not. And there is a slightly trickier when it
:27:34. > :27:43.comes to taking 3,000 children... Angela Merkel summed... She is being
:27:44. > :27:48.ostraciszeed. I am helping with the crisis, I am
:27:49. > :27:51.serving in the Mediterranean. The key word that comes back is
:27:52. > :27:54.desperation. The people are desperate to get back to the UK
:27:55. > :27:59.because of what we are offering them. We are offering very good
:28:00. > :28:03.things, they need that. But that point is correct. Is that the best
:28:04. > :28:07.way to help them? Their desperation is putting them in horrible
:28:08. > :28:11.situations where they are fighting for their lives to get across an
:28:12. > :28:15.ocean, and really, what can we do to improve their lives where they are
:28:16. > :28:20.coming from, so that they are not desperate to cross the seas, put
:28:21. > :28:25.themselves in life-threatening situations or to go through forests,
:28:26. > :28:29.freezing to death on the land side of things to get to through all of
:28:30. > :28:36.these places in Europe, as we are offering aid, which is fantastic but
:28:37. > :28:40.it is the element of giving them a fish, rather than teaching them how
:28:41. > :28:46.to get a fish. Yasmin Alibhai Brown? Yesterday was
:28:47. > :28:52.Holocaust Remembrance Day. This month we have seen Europe, the UK,
:28:53. > :28:56.painting the doors of asylum seekers red, putting wrist bands on them and
:28:57. > :29:02.the worst of all, Denmark... Suggesting that they are going to
:29:03. > :29:08.take their few precious bits that they managed to smuggle out.
:29:09. > :29:14.Remember the lessons. Remember how the Nazis took our gold teeth. The
:29:15. > :29:18.answer to the question asked: When Jewish migrants were taken, and this
:29:19. > :29:23.is the biggest crisis since then, this country had nothing, nothing at
:29:24. > :29:31.all. We are still the seventh richest country in the world. I so
:29:32. > :29:35.agree with Jess. If it was people, ordinary people across Europe, they
:29:36. > :29:42.have been amazing. They are turning up at the camps. A musician e-mailed
:29:43. > :29:49.me yesterday. A young female British musician who goes to Calais, she
:29:50. > :29:52.said she watched a four-and-a-half-year-old whose heart
:29:53. > :30:00.just stopped beating. It gave up. Now, I'm sorry, we have to do
:30:01. > :30:05.better. No refugee ever fails unless we are talking about a wedge of
:30:06. > :30:10.criminal, I am not talking about them. Most refugees, the IMF has
:30:11. > :30:14.said this, they work harder than anybody else.
:30:15. > :30:21.But I think I have a policy idea. Why don't we let people in just so
:30:22. > :30:26.they can life and do what we do with them when we have student loans,
:30:27. > :30:31.once they start earning enough, they pay back a section of the earnings,
:30:32. > :30:36.even if we say after five years you have to go back. What is your view
:30:37. > :30:39.of the numbers? That is the issue between the parties? Turkey has 1
:30:40. > :30:44.million. The whole of Europe has 1 million.
:30:45. > :30:47.I think Britain should have at least 60 to 70,000.
:30:48. > :30:51.Of the most vulnerable. I think you are wrong on Turkey.
:30:52. > :30:55.They are hosting over 2 million Syrians at the moment.
:30:56. > :31:01.Exactly. Is it an example of Germany of how
:31:02. > :31:04.mass immigration does not work. The woman in Cologne and the woman
:31:05. > :31:06.unfortunately killed in Sweden, don't you think that they are scared
:31:07. > :31:17.as well? I couldn't agree with you more,
:31:18. > :31:21.there's obviously been, the very rapid nature of lack of cohesion has
:31:22. > :31:26.been caused. However, there is violence against women and girls
:31:27. > :31:32.that you are describing, a very similar situation to what happened
:31:33. > :31:40.in Cologne could be described on Broad Street? Birmingham every week,
:31:41. > :31:47.where women are bated and heckled. We have to attack what we perceive
:31:48. > :31:54.is a patriarchal culture, but we should be careful not to rest on our
:31:55. > :32:00.laurels when two women are murdered every week in this country.
:32:01. > :32:03.APPLAUSE. Anyone who does doubt that Britain should take more, in other
:32:04. > :32:08.words feels there's a problem, there was a lot of applause when the young
:32:09. > :32:08.man spoke. Anyone else who takes that
:32:09. > :32:12.was a lot of applause when the young man spoke. Anyone else who takes
:32:13. > :32:16.that view? It is all very well taking a lot of these children in,
:32:17. > :32:20.but who is going be left to build Syria up again? So what do you think
:32:21. > :32:24.should happen? The government policy is to put the money into the camps
:32:25. > :32:29.near Syria. Do you think they are right? All the time we've got
:32:30. > :32:36.immigrants coming here, I'm afraid I think it just encourages more.
:32:37. > :32:41.Europeans went all over the world. Europeans took over continents. Do
:32:42. > :32:46.you remember that? Australia, New Zealand, South America, North
:32:47. > :32:51.America. How is it that we can now deny just safety? Those people want
:32:52. > :32:59.to go back when it's safe. The man up there and then we'll move on.
:33:00. > :33:03.APPLAUSE. You Sir. There are a few fundamental issues at play here.
:33:04. > :33:08.Firstly there've been three different terms used for these
:33:09. > :33:14.people: Asylum seeker, refugee and migrant, all of which appear to be
:33:15. > :33:18.disparaging. The Conservative gentleman spent 15 minutes pitching
:33:19. > :33:22.his party. And had they got the right amount of tax from Google we
:33:23. > :33:27.could afford to bring these people in?
:33:28. > :33:30.APPLAUSE. He says he doubts it, but on to another question. We are
:33:31. > :33:35.halfway through the programme. What will be the single-most
:33:36. > :33:37.important factor that influences voters in the upcoming
:33:38. > :33:50.EU referendum? You're an interpreter of electoral
:33:51. > :33:54.mood, Moray MacLennan. What do you think will be the single most
:33:55. > :33:59.important factor to influence voters when it comes to say, should we
:34:00. > :34:06.remain or leave? I hate to bring it back to migration, but there was
:34:07. > :34:11.news today, most of you heard it, that David Cameron's famous rabbits
:34:12. > :34:17.our the hat, one of them was potentially produced earlier, to
:34:18. > :34:22.limit migration. That will be a core issue in the up-coming referendum. I
:34:23. > :34:26.think that most people, I think most people will accept that Britain is
:34:27. > :34:35.probably better off economically trading, having the lack of tariffs
:34:36. > :34:40.to trade with Europe. What they don't want is migration or
:34:41. > :34:45.sovereignty to be impinged on. If he can produce those two rabbits out of
:34:46. > :34:50.the hat it will be difficult for the Let's Leave Europe group to win. I
:34:51. > :34:53.think it will come down to that at the end of the day. There'll be the
:34:54. > :34:58.concern, are we nailing our colours to the mast of a sinking is ship in
:34:59. > :35:04.Europe as well, and that is the other point of view. It will be a
:35:05. > :35:12.very emotional argument and the staying in will be a rationale
:35:13. > :35:18.argument. I think it depends on the deal the Prime Minister can strike.
:35:19. > :35:22.Three weeks away is the council meeting which may well decide this
:35:23. > :35:25.matter. It depends on the agreement of the 27 other members of the
:35:26. > :35:29.European Union. If we can get that agreement we'll have the referendum
:35:30. > :35:33.and everybody in this room will have an equal vote and we'll decide
:35:34. > :35:37.whether to stay in. From my personal point of view I hope the Prime
:35:38. > :35:40.Minister can get an agreement. It is important that we stay within the
:35:41. > :35:44.European Union. That's what I would like to see, but it does depend on
:35:45. > :35:49.getting the right deal. I think Europe itself is moving too far too
:35:50. > :35:53.fast. We've had to learn some of the lessons in the past when Governments
:35:54. > :35:56.have promised referendums on European treaties and not given
:35:57. > :36:03.them. So I'm pleased that one of the things we've done as a result of the
:36:04. > :36:09.last Government was to ensure that any future treaty change which
:36:10. > :36:14.affects this country can only be taken after a referendum. The Prime
:36:15. > :36:19.Minister has a good record on negotiating in Europe. He cut the
:36:20. > :36:24.European budget and I'm hoping he'll be able to achieve the right
:36:25. > :36:30.negotiations in the next few weeks. So it looks like you are going to
:36:31. > :36:34.vote to remain in the EU. Is the current deal in the Cabinet that you
:36:35. > :36:39.are allowed to say you are in favour of staying in but not to say you
:36:40. > :36:44.want to leave, not yet. Only when the referendum is announced can you
:36:45. > :36:48.say that? The Cabinet is fully supportive of the Prime Minister in
:36:49. > :36:54.these renegotiations and Ministers will have an opportunity to take a
:36:55. > :36:57.different deal if it is not good enough. You said everyone in this
:36:58. > :37:03.room will have an equal opportunity to vote, but we are 16, we won't.
:37:04. > :37:06.What's your opinion on 16 and 17-year-olds voting in EU referendum
:37:07. > :37:11.like they did in the Scottish. How did you vote on that one Patrick?
:37:12. > :37:15.Against, I'm not in favour of extending the voting age to 16. I
:37:16. > :37:20.want it the same as votes for a general election. I'm sorry for
:37:21. > :37:25.those people who are going to miss out who are 16. You are just an old
:37:26. > :37:30.fogey. Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, what do you think will be the single most
:37:31. > :37:37.important question? As Murray said, we should think about what it would
:37:38. > :37:45.mean for so much of our economy and our agriculture and so on. It's been
:37:46. > :37:50.good for us actually. The problem is that the remain in the EU campaign
:37:51. > :37:55.is so utterly incompetent and hopeless. In what way? Lord Rose
:37:56. > :38:00.didn't even remember the name of the campaign this week and he's supposed
:38:01. > :38:04.to be leading us to this? I have to give it to the Exit group, they are
:38:05. > :38:08.doing it much better. But the big issue is the one Blair raised this
:38:09. > :38:18.week. Scotland will leave the United Kingdom. Is that what you want? I
:38:19. > :38:24.think that Scots are very pro-European. I didn't detect people
:38:25. > :38:29.shouting no, don't let them go, but... Don't go, Scotland, stay with
:38:30. > :38:36.us. You Sir in blue. My question is this. The UK science funding in this
:38:37. > :38:42.country has got worse over the last five years. We are one of the worst
:38:43. > :38:49.in the G8 and it is getting worse. The lowest funding in what way? By
:38:50. > :38:54.GDP we get the lowest funding research. At the same time the
:38:55. > :39:03.European Union has gained a massive appetite for science funding, has
:39:04. > :39:13.increased its funding. By pulling out we risk losing all of this money
:39:14. > :39:18.and that's my livelihood, it is the livelihood of people in Cambridge.
:39:19. > :39:26.Newark has loads of science. How can we risk that? Jess Phillips? To go
:39:27. > :39:31.back to the original question the biggest thing will be fear. About
:39:32. > :39:34.the pennies in our pockets, our jobs, houses. People tend as they
:39:35. > :39:41.did in the Scottish referendum to when it comes down to it go for the
:39:42. > :39:46.status quo because they are fearful. The other fear is immigration. That
:39:47. > :39:53.will go for the Out campaign far more. I agree with Yasmin
:39:54. > :39:57.Alibhai-Brown. Neither of the campaigns are floating my boat, if I
:39:58. > :40:02.was completely honest at the moment. I don't think they speak to normal
:40:03. > :40:07.people and normal people's interactions. You hardly hear them
:40:08. > :40:11.at the moment. They haven't started. Nobody talks about how 2 million
:40:12. > :40:16.people every year go off into Europe. Do you want to queue for
:40:17. > :40:22.longer when you go through passport control? I don't want to queue for
:40:23. > :40:27.longer. I don't want to pay more for my mobile phone in France. They are
:40:28. > :40:31.talking up here like men in suits talking about this much money, that
:40:32. > :40:38.much money. It is all boring, to be honest.
:40:39. > :40:44.APPLAUSE. Does it bore you? You find it all boring? Is it not extremely
:40:45. > :40:49.dangerous for significant figures and forums categorically state their
:40:50. > :40:52.intention to stay in the EU when the full negotiations haven't been told?
:40:53. > :40:57.It lowers the need for policy makers in Brussels to give us the best deal
:40:58. > :41:01.possible. What do you make of that, Angus Robertson? I don't think that
:41:02. > :41:06.the negotiations by the UK Government are actually dealing with
:41:07. > :41:12.any matters of profound substance. It is not a major renegotiation. If
:41:13. > :41:15.it were it would lead to treaty change. The Prime Minister is
:41:16. > :41:21.professionaling a three-card trick. He's trying to... Sorry, beside me
:41:22. > :41:28.there's a voice saying we don't know that there may not be treaty change.
:41:29. > :41:33.Let's watch that space. I very much doubt that the negotiations will
:41:34. > :41:37.lead to referenda in Denmark and in Ireland. I think what the Prime
:41:38. > :41:42.Minister is trying to do is assuage those people who are not sure about
:41:43. > :41:45.the EU. To say there's been a change, look we've reformed it. I'm
:41:46. > :41:50.a pro-European. I think the EU needs to be reformed. It is not perfect.
:41:51. > :41:55.It cannot manage the borders properly. It can't deal with the
:41:56. > :41:59.refugee crisis, the biggest crisis since the Second World War. It is
:42:00. > :42:04.going to be a difficult pro-European case to make. The question asked was
:42:05. > :42:07.what will be the single most important factors? Jess and I have
:42:08. > :42:12.written down the same thing. It will be fear. The word I've written after
:42:13. > :42:18.it, hope. I think that those of us who think it is a better thing that
:42:19. > :42:22.we work together in Europe as sovereign states, trying to teal
:42:23. > :42:28.with our challenges together, I think is the case we should be
:42:29. > :42:31.making. I tell you, I don't want Scotland to become independent
:42:32. > :42:35.because England votes to leave the EU. I want Scotland to be
:42:36. > :42:40.independent and within the EU and the rest of the UK. Do you think it
:42:41. > :42:45.might trigger independence of Scotland if England votes to leave?
:42:46. > :42:48.I think it will profoundly change opinion in Scotland for many of
:42:49. > :42:53.those who during the referendum campaign on Scottish independence
:42:54. > :42:57.were promised by the no side vote no to Scottish independence, because if
:42:58. > :43:04.you don't you will be outside the EU. And there were a number of
:43:05. > :43:09.people who went, we don't want that. People's point about being fearful.
:43:10. > :43:14.And the other outcome is an entirely believable prospect. Today is the
:43:15. > :43:20.first time that the average of polls in the UK is 50-50 and heading in a
:43:21. > :43:25.no direction. My last word on the subject is I hope that the campaign
:43:26. > :43:29.that is run to remain within the EU is a positive campaign based on hope
:43:30. > :43:31.and not on fear, which was the campaign that was run against
:43:32. > :43:41.Scottish independence. APPLAUSE. You were involved in that.
:43:42. > :43:47.In the no campaign. What's your take on the way this is going to be
:43:48. > :43:51.fought out in the PR and publicity and the various views. I think
:43:52. > :43:56.there'll be a lot of numbers thrown this way and that. Sorry about that.
:43:57. > :44:04.Man in suit talking numbers. But there will. Uncertainty will play
:44:05. > :44:09.very strongly for staying in. We don't know what would happen if we
:44:10. > :44:15.chebd out. As the Hotel California thing, the you can check out but you
:44:16. > :44:18.can't leave. We would have to renegotiate with Europe. What would
:44:19. > :44:23.that look like? Uncertainty will play strongly for staying in. The
:44:24. > :44:27.emotional point you made, not made strongly enough by the no campaign,
:44:28. > :44:31.independence and staying with the UK is an emotional issue. There is
:44:32. > :44:35.nothing wrong with that. Should wins that emotional argument will be key
:44:36. > :44:39.as well. Have you within hired for the campaign? Not as yet. We are
:44:40. > :44:45.waiting by the phone. APPLAUSE.
:44:46. > :44:51.APPLAUSE Pot which campaign would it be?
:44:52. > :44:58.Imagine we hope it might be the Prime Minister's campaign.
:44:59. > :45:05.Let's move on to another question. Why is it cheaper to travel from
:45:06. > :45:07.Sheffield to Essex, via air, and via Berlin, than on Britain's railways?!
:45:08. > :45:17.Yes! APPLAUSE.
:45:18. > :45:25.Well, this is the teenager Jordan Krovment ox who flew from Sheffield
:45:26. > :45:31.to Essex, via Berlin and spent several hours sightseeing in Berlin,
:45:32. > :45:37.and saved ?7, including buses from Stansted to Essex, at the same time
:45:38. > :45:46.he found you can fly from London to Manchester via Milan, for ?33 but it
:45:47. > :45:49.was ?131 via train and from Bristol to Newcastle, via Dublin and it was
:45:50. > :45:55.?74. It is like the tax system, too
:45:56. > :46:01.complicated. It is in your lap! When you are
:46:02. > :46:08.young you have lots of time to go travelling, and when you are pushing
:46:09. > :46:12.a blog, it can help you find these schemes, it shows that there is a
:46:13. > :46:17.way to get cheap flights across Europe. On the more serious question
:46:18. > :46:24.of train travel, we see the revolution in this country on the
:46:25. > :46:29.railways, 27 years ago there were 750 million People using the
:46:30. > :46:37.railways, lass year it was 1. 64 billion. I can see cheaper tickets
:46:38. > :46:41.if you pre-book. There are lots of changes afar as train travel is
:46:42. > :46:46.concerned. I think it is very good value with the cheaper tickets.
:46:47. > :46:52.Also, with the massive investment we are doing in the railway, it means
:46:53. > :46:56.that the places like King's Cross and St Pancreas, which used to be
:46:57. > :47:00.awful places to go, are now destinations in their own right and
:47:01. > :47:05.you can add to that Birmingham New Street Station, which used to be
:47:06. > :47:12.awful but it is fantastic. I celebrate the ?38 billion we are
:47:13. > :47:15.investing in the railways and on the new East Coast Main Line you will
:47:16. > :47:22.get the new trains. But you have not answered the
:47:23. > :47:32.question about why it is... But I gave you a good answer for my job!
:47:33. > :47:38.You said if you had lots of time. Actually, as a working woman, I
:47:39. > :47:43.don't have lots of time. But from Stanford we are 40 miles from
:47:44. > :47:49.Nottingham, Cambridge and Lincoln it takes an 1. 20 minutes to get to
:47:50. > :47:53.Cambridge, 1. 30 minutes to Nottingham and 30 minutes to get to
:47:54. > :47:58.Lincoln. So as a commuter, you cannot do it. It is impractical for
:47:59. > :48:04.us to get to work. That is why we are investing.
:48:05. > :48:11.. But you are not investing. We are
:48:12. > :48:14.improving the railways. I accept that there are more improvements to
:48:15. > :48:20.make. I want to see it happen. The man next to you.
:48:21. > :48:26.I would like to know why it is you allow the network operators to hide
:48:27. > :48:32.the cheaper price tickets. Stan formed to Birmingham return is ?65.
:48:33. > :48:37.But if I get two different returns I can save myself ?20. Those are
:48:38. > :48:44.hidden. It is only because a member of staff told me do it that way I
:48:45. > :48:48.was able to save ?20. Get in touch with Jordan Cox. Jess Philips? I got
:48:49. > :48:55.on a train from London to Birmingham. It cost ?168. I did not
:48:56. > :49:01.get a seat. So when the Transport Minister says that is good value for
:49:02. > :49:05.money, I paid ?168 to stand up for hours. There are ridiculous offers
:49:06. > :49:09.to find if you have hours to spend looking at which way to go but the
:49:10. > :49:13.main thing is that many people are priced out of the market of
:49:14. > :49:22.travelling at the times that they need to go to work. That is
:49:23. > :49:24.unacceptable. APPLAUSE
:49:25. > :49:28.Your Labour's Transport Secretary. I am.
:49:29. > :49:34.Under Jeremy Corbyn, what is your policy? Well, there is a need to
:49:35. > :49:38.look at renationalising rail services. Many exist, the French
:49:39. > :49:40.government are benefitting from them...
:49:41. > :49:45.APPLAUSE. You are in favour of
:49:46. > :49:49.re-nationalisation? I am in favour of looking at the contracts when
:49:50. > :49:54.they come up about what is the best value for the consumer in the
:49:55. > :50:01.market. Let's not pretend when the railways were nationalised that they
:50:02. > :50:05.were perfect and running on time and everybody got a cheap ticket, we
:50:06. > :50:12.have to consider it as an option. Moray MacLennan? There is a simple
:50:13. > :50:18.solution to this: Spend the ?30 billion which would be spent on HSR
:50:19. > :50:23.so that you can get to Birmingham or London quicker, and deploy that
:50:24. > :50:34.money in regional railways. APPLAUSE.
:50:35. > :50:39.Lincolnshire is a rural County, the further east it is harder to get
:50:40. > :50:44.anywhere on any form of public transport. It is not just the
:50:45. > :50:50.tickets but the trains do not exist. They do not run on weekends, you
:50:51. > :50:56.cannot get between pish and Lincoln, outside of the hours of 9-6 from
:50:57. > :51:02.Monday to Saturday. Do you believe the successive
:51:03. > :51:08.governments? Yes it is a problem. The railway lines are closed. The A
:51:09. > :51:13.16 has been closed and turned into roads it is not helpful for people
:51:14. > :51:17.who cannot afford cars or don't have access to a car, they cannot get to
:51:18. > :51:23.places. You on the left? You mentioned money
:51:24. > :51:28.invested in railway services, why did it not happen six years ago, we
:51:29. > :51:34.would not have this discussion now? You mean if Labour could have done
:51:35. > :51:42.it? Well, five-and-a-half years. Patrick McGloughlin? Briefly, we
:51:43. > :51:46.have been been investing. I have spoken about King's Cross and St
:51:47. > :51:50.Pancreas. It is always in London. The proof of the matter is we are
:51:51. > :51:56.always talking about transport in London. Heathrow... We have to
:51:57. > :52:01.increase the capacity. Moray MacLennan, the reason is so that we
:52:02. > :52:05.can improve the capacity. 20 years ago when the railways were operating
:52:06. > :52:09.under British Rail, there were 19 services a day from London to
:52:10. > :52:13.Manchester. Today there are 47 services a day from London to
:52:14. > :52:19.Manchester. That is the kind of change... But you can't afford to
:52:20. > :52:26.get on it. I accept more regional services are very important.
:52:27. > :52:31.I think that it is true, that some of the rebuilt stations are
:52:32. > :52:34.wonderful and all of that. But one thing that is absolutely
:52:35. > :52:39.indisputable, there are some people who need to take the trains at peak
:52:40. > :52:44.times and what they are being charged is just criminal. They have
:52:45. > :52:49.no choice. They do not have flexible time. People are really spending
:52:50. > :52:55.such a percentage of their earnings on rail travel and that is unfair.
:52:56. > :53:01.We are supporting the rail industry, more than we support the motorcar
:53:02. > :53:05.industry... But you are not supporting the passengers. More than
:53:06. > :53:13.the bus transport, more people go to work on the bus than on the train.
:53:14. > :53:17.Can I bring us back to the question about the young man who went via
:53:18. > :53:21.Berlin. There is a difference in buying tickets where you can get
:53:22. > :53:27.cheap flights and they are easy to find on the internet, then you can
:53:28. > :53:31.go where you want. But not as easy to find cheap options on the
:53:32. > :53:36.railways. I came from London, I had to stand for the first part of the
:53:37. > :53:40.journey, the train was late. That is an experience that most of the
:53:41. > :53:44.people in the audience here will share. You deserve a better service
:53:45. > :53:51.in this part of the world but there is more to be done to end the
:53:52. > :53:56.Byzantine pricing structures that we have, and I don't understand why the
:53:57. > :54:00.rail operators are not prepared... As people are wanting to travel by
:54:01. > :54:08.train. If you can get a seat a hot cup of coffee. This is a bones. But
:54:09. > :54:14.that is what we should expect. Where is the scale of ambition. Talk about
:54:15. > :54:19.HS #26789, it was supposed to be joining up Britain but where is it
:54:20. > :54:25.ending? It is not even getting to Scotland. So much more needs to be
:54:26. > :54:32.done, Patrick. Indeed. I agree. I want to take this question from
:54:33. > :54:36.Alison Jones. Where and when is the most appropriate place to wear your
:54:37. > :54:44.pyjamas. This is because a head teacher is
:54:45. > :54:49.saying that parents are coming in to school in pyjamas and dressing
:54:50. > :54:56.gowns. Is that right? I think that the head was so right. I don't even
:54:57. > :55:01.wear my pyjamas in my kitsch, I am so proper. Only in the bedroom.
:55:02. > :55:09.Patrick McGloughlin? The only place to where them is in private!
:55:10. > :55:13.Jess Philips? The Labour Party love it when people wear pyjamas on the
:55:14. > :55:18.school run. No, I think that the mum has to do the school run under a
:55:19. > :55:22.stressed circumstances, I look at woman wearing slippers and I feel
:55:23. > :55:27.sorry for them rather than loathing them. I spend 20 minutes a morning
:55:28. > :55:34.shouting get your shoes on over and over again. It is better if people
:55:35. > :55:41.don't wear their pyjamas but let's not be too judging.
:55:42. > :55:49.Have you ever? I have may have been to a drive-through in a dressing
:55:50. > :55:55.gown. You don't get out of the car! And you, sir? I don't think I should
:55:56. > :56:03.be advising people on what they are wearing. I will hold my advice.
:56:04. > :56:07.Moray MacLennan? I think a designer pyjama is OK. Nothing wrong with
:56:08. > :56:15.that at all. Anyone like to comment? I have three
:56:16. > :56:20.kids under six, I think it is perfectly acceptable. Trust my, by
:56:21. > :56:29.the time you get there, sometimes, you have no idea what you are
:56:30. > :56:36.wearing. And would you go to the mativity
:56:37. > :56:41.play and the parents' evening? They might have thought it was fancy
:56:42. > :56:47.dress, who knows. Anyone else with a view on this? I
:56:48. > :56:52.sleep naked so I would not... We won't go there.
:56:53. > :57:00.A happy note to end on. Thank you for shipping that with us! Our time
:57:01. > :57:04.is up. We are in Bradford next week. The week after that, we are in
:57:05. > :57:12.Llanelli in Wales. To come to either of the shows go to the website on
:57:13. > :57:17.the screen there. If you are listening on Radio 5
:57:18. > :57:26.Live. You can continue the debate of course. As every it is on Question
:57:27. > :57:30.Time, Extra Time. My thanks to all of the panelists. Before I go, I
:57:31. > :57:37.have been chairing Question Time for many years. I have worked with six
:57:38. > :57:45.editors in all of that time. One was Chancellor cry Cou are, tauld, who
:57:46. > :57:49.died recently. He was clever, wit, he was very brave, he was an
:57:50. > :57:53.inspiration to work for, I would like to dedicate this Question Time
:57:54. > :58:02.to his memory. I think he would like it. Thank you all for coming to
:58:03. > :58:13.Question Time. Good night.