:00:00. > :00:00.carriage felt 30 feet before landing on top of a children's ride. As
:00:00. > :00:00.Now on BBC News we can bring As you some of the highlights
:00:00. > :00:00.of a special edition of Question Time
:00:00. > :00:28.After a referendum that revealed a deeply divided country
:00:29. > :00:30.and has the main political parties falling apart,
:00:31. > :00:34.We are in Birmingham this evening, a city that was almost evenly
:00:35. > :00:36.divided between Leave and Remain, and our audience here
:00:37. > :00:41.Our panel, as always on Question Time, haven't seen any
:00:42. > :00:50.Now we have, on the side of Leave, the Conservative Justice
:00:51. > :00:52.Minister Dominic Raab, the deputy leader of Ukip,
:00:53. > :00:54.Paul Nuttall, and the parish priest and Guardian
:00:55. > :00:57.On the side of Remain, the Conservative Business
:00:58. > :00:59.Minister Anna Soubry, the SNP MP and former First Minister
:01:00. > :01:01.of Scotland, Alex Salmond, and Labour's Shadow International
:01:02. > :01:15.And just a word - if you want to use Facebook
:01:16. > :01:17.or Twitter during the programme to comment on what you
:01:18. > :01:27.Our hashtag, #bbcqt, text 83981 and you can push
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:01:30. > :01:35.Right, let's get stuck in with their very first question,
:01:36. > :01:37.and it comes from Chris Abbott, please.
:01:38. > :01:43.After decades of ignoring the working class, how does it feel
:01:44. > :01:58.Anna Soubry, how does it feel to be
:01:59. > :02:01.If I may say, I feel that, you know, that's the sort
:02:02. > :02:04.of language now that we've got to get away from.
:02:05. > :02:11.We've got to move forward, we've got to come together.
:02:12. > :02:14.I can assure you that my roots, as somebody brought up
:02:15. > :02:17.in North Nottinghamshire, and I like to think I still very
:02:18. > :02:19.much keep in touch, not only with my constituents but,
:02:20. > :02:21.you know, with where I came from and everything else,
:02:22. > :02:24.and I think this debate and this whole referendum has not
:02:25. > :02:34.I have witnessed language on the streets, which is where I've
:02:35. > :02:36.been, in the East Midlands, which is where I'm from,
:02:37. > :02:42.and I have heard words used and language used,
:02:43. > :02:44.you know, "Immigrants, get all these immigrants out."
:02:45. > :02:47.I have not witnessed that since I was a student
:02:48. > :02:49.here in Birmingham back in the mid-70s.
:02:50. > :03:02.And I am worried about the state of our nation.
:03:03. > :03:12.proud to have as part and parcel of our fundamental values,
:03:13. > :03:15.to a large extent has been put aside by too many people.
:03:16. > :03:18.So now we all need to come back together, we need to rebuild
:03:19. > :03:21.communities, we need to move on, and we have to put, if I may say,
:03:22. > :03:24.hope over hatred, and we have to stop preying on prejudice,
:03:25. > :03:29.Now we've got to come together and get on with the decision...
:03:30. > :03:32.But my guess is by ignoring the punch on the nose - decades
:03:33. > :03:35.decades of ignoring the working class - there was a clear division,
:03:36. > :03:37.wasn't there, in the result of this referendum?
:03:38. > :03:39.One half of the country, the more prosperous,
:03:40. > :03:43.And on the other hand, there were people who seemed
:03:44. > :03:51.to feel, according to everything they said, disaffected,
:03:52. > :03:59.left out - in the countryside and in some of the poorer cities.
:04:00. > :04:02.Yes, but it has to be said a lot of people who voted Leave,
:04:03. > :04:05.and they came from all classes in our society and backgrounds,
:04:06. > :04:07.and many people who voted Leave voted for reasons I don't agree
:04:08. > :04:09.with and which were completely honourable, but unfortunately
:04:10. > :04:13.I think a lot of people also voted Leave for reasons which I am
:04:14. > :04:15.The immigration thing, and that was wrong.
:04:16. > :04:18.What were you actually getting at, Chris?
:04:19. > :04:21.I think what has been exposed by this referendum is the deep
:04:22. > :04:23.divisions within the country, and Labour strongholds like Walsall,
:04:24. > :04:26.my hometown, have voted to leave, and all over the country
:04:27. > :04:28.they have chosen the same idea, to leave.
:04:29. > :04:32.Now, really, in the past that would never have happened,
:04:33. > :04:34.so there is massive disconnect I believe, between the parties
:04:35. > :04:37.and their electorate, to not be able to sort
:04:38. > :04:54.I was a vicar in Blakemore for a little while so I know
:04:55. > :04:58.And many people there feel left behind by globalisation,
:04:59. > :05:01.feel that they haven't been listened to, attended to, and I understand
:05:02. > :05:10.I think some of that anger has been misdirected, some of that anger has
:05:11. > :05:13.been exploited by the far right in absolutely disgraceful ways,
:05:14. > :05:15.and that has to be said, but that anger is...
:05:16. > :05:23.Who do you mean by the far right, Ukip?
:05:24. > :05:30.Yeah, I do think that, I think that that Ukip
:05:31. > :05:32.poster was absolutely disgraceful, and...
:05:33. > :05:41.It soiled an important argument we were having,
:05:42. > :05:46.There is a legitimate anger in places where people have been
:05:47. > :05:53.They have been ignored by London, and now they're being sneered at for
:05:54. > :06:04.And I just want to say one thing - there are not 17.4 million
:06:05. > :06:11.And that is absolutely important to say.
:06:12. > :06:18.Do you want to respond to what he said about Ukip?
:06:19. > :06:21.Well, look, Ukip certainly isn't a far right party.
:06:22. > :06:22.We have campaigned against the European Union
:06:23. > :06:24.since our inception, and I just think this
:06:25. > :06:31.really was the people versus the establishment.
:06:32. > :06:33.It was ordinary working class people against the Brussels elite,
:06:34. > :06:35.against the big banks, against big business,
:06:36. > :06:37.against Project Fear, and I just want to know
:06:38. > :06:39.where the Chancellor is at the moment, because he seems
:06:40. > :06:47.to have disappeared - altogether.
:06:48. > :06:50.Now, Giles spoke about the sneering now because people were angry.
:06:51. > :06:57.A Guardian columnist yesterday wrote that we've got Brexit
:06:58. > :07:01.because of northern crappy towns, places like Preston,
:07:02. > :07:03.in my constituency, people like Wigan and Blackburn
:07:04. > :07:07.and Burnley, and I have had enough of this London-centric Metropolitan
:07:08. > :07:10.and Burnley, and I have had enough of this London-centric metropolitan
:07:11. > :07:13.snobbery which has infested this country for far too long...
:07:14. > :07:19.I can exclusively reveal that the Chancellor has been
:07:20. > :07:29.kidnapped, but nobody is going to pay the ransom,
:07:30. > :07:32.and that's why you haven't seen him...
:07:33. > :07:34.In reality, let's face it.
:07:35. > :07:38.There was the Project Fear on the economy led by
:07:39. > :07:40.the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, but there was also
:07:41. > :07:43.the other Project Fear, and that's the one on immigration,
:07:44. > :07:54.which was at the heart of the Out campaign,
:07:55. > :07:56.and the consequences, given that the Out campaign won,
:07:57. > :07:59.the consequences for society of that Project Fear, I think are very deep,
:08:00. > :08:02.and therefore the first thing that politicians should be doing,
:08:03. > :08:04.not worrying about the dislocation of their own parties,
:08:05. > :08:06.but they should be worrying about the dislocation that may
:08:07. > :08:10.Now I am not a signed up member of the British establishment -
:08:11. > :08:14.And I am extremely proud that the one political leader
:08:15. > :08:16.who wasn't turned over by the electorate on Thursday
:08:17. > :08:20.was Nicola Sturgeon, who got a resounding vote to remain,
:08:21. > :08:22.in Scotland, in Europe, last Thursday, but I do recognise
:08:23. > :08:24.that the political establishment who have been rejected
:08:25. > :08:28.by their electorate better start facing it and better start
:08:29. > :08:39.reconnecting, and how you do that, how you offer people, though,
:08:40. > :08:41.reconnecting, and how you do that, how you offer people hope,
:08:42. > :08:43.because there is only one antidote to fear,
:08:44. > :08:46.whether it is fear of the economy or fear of immigration,
:08:47. > :08:49.and that is to offer people hope and a way forward.
:08:50. > :08:52.OK, let's hear from some members of our audience.
:08:53. > :08:58.wet and on and, just like me, the majority of young people voted two
:08:59. > :09:00.remains I just want to know from you what you think the golden
:09:01. > :09:06.opportunities are for students know that they have left European Union?
:09:07. > :09:07.-- I am a law student here at the University of Birmingham and, just
:09:08. > :09:11.like me. APPLAUSE
:09:12. > :09:15.Can I add a rider to that? Are you a line at the high proportion of young
:09:16. > :09:22.people who really upset by this were the vote went because a larger
:09:23. > :09:25.proportion of them voted to remain? I am concerned to make sure all of
:09:26. > :09:28.the 40% including the young generation are carried with us. I
:09:29. > :09:33.have to say I think the EU has been disastrous for the young generation
:09:34. > :09:35.given the levels of youth unemployment in the EU, and
:09:36. > :09:40.particularly in the Eurozone, rising to 50%. But I think we do need to do
:09:41. > :09:43.more to spell out the positive vision to carry your generation, but
:09:44. > :09:47.actually the whole country... But what opportunities are there? What
:09:48. > :09:51.opportunities do you think will come from Brexit? M's there will be job
:09:52. > :09:58.opportunities, higher wages... ? You? I am sorry. I would love to
:09:59. > :10:03.have answered your question but David has moved on -- there will be
:10:04. > :10:08.job opportunities. What do you say to this 19-year-old who voted to
:10:09. > :10:11.leave? This is not to be condescending or denigrate but I
:10:12. > :10:14.think a lot of my generation were naive in this referendum. Speaking
:10:15. > :10:19.to my peers, many felt they could get change in the EU. I am afraid
:10:20. > :10:22.all the empirical evidence, David Cameron's renegotiation, and actual
:10:23. > :10:27.structure of the EU should we were not going to get that.
:10:28. > :10:34.APPLAUSE Yes, then I will come to... As I
:10:35. > :10:38.said, you know, we are where we are. We have had a referendum. People
:10:39. > :10:42.have spoken, they have voted for us to leave the EU and now we must come
:10:43. > :10:47.together and we must negotiate under half of everybody the best deal. The
:10:48. > :10:51.other thing I think does need to be said is this. For decades, not
:10:52. > :10:56.weeks, and I have always believed we were better off in the EU. But for
:10:57. > :11:00.decades politicians from both the main parties had frankly said the EU
:11:01. > :11:05.was the route of most of our troubles, and had also, let's be
:11:06. > :11:09.honest about it, nobody had really made a positive case for immigration
:11:10. > :11:11.into our country. And if there is anything that comes out of this...
:11:12. > :11:16.APPLAUSE And I can give you this absolute
:11:17. > :11:24.promise, whatever my future may remain upbeat, I will not stand any
:11:25. > :11:28.longer and make the positive case for migration and immigration in our
:11:29. > :11:34.country. It has delivered for decades to the benefit of our
:11:35. > :11:35.nation, both economically and socially...
:11:36. > :11:45.APPLAUSE Are you saying the positive case
:11:46. > :11:49.wasn't made? Yes, it has been a real feeling of our us as politicians.
:11:50. > :11:54.Why did David Cameron not make the positive case? I am speaking about,
:11:55. > :11:58.if I dare say, myself. I put my hands up. I have always been liberal
:11:59. > :12:02.on immigration. I have always said these things. They have not always
:12:03. > :12:07.found a voice and people have not always listen, and now as a society
:12:08. > :12:10.let's debate immigration. Let's let that positive boys sing out about
:12:11. > :12:20.the positive benefits of people who come here to work -- the positive
:12:21. > :12:23.voice thing out. I will be positive about immigration. Immigration is
:12:24. > :12:26.exceptionally positive when it is controlled, and that is what we have
:12:27. > :12:29.now. We are going to take back control of our own borders and
:12:30. > :12:33.therefore the people who will make those decisions will be the people
:12:34. > :12:39.we elect to... That is the right way to do it. Listen, whilst we are in
:12:40. > :12:44.the European Union we don't have to sign up to the freedom of movement
:12:45. > :12:49.of people. We can be like Australia and take that control back. The man
:12:50. > :12:53.in the green shirt... Can I just see how upset I am with the Remain side
:12:54. > :12:58.of the argument because you only consider the EU migrants in this
:12:59. > :13:03.country. Us non-EU migrants, we have been discriminated against hugely by
:13:04. > :13:07.the UK immigration system because there are high numbers coming in
:13:08. > :13:12.from the EU and all of the opportunities, all the chances, all
:13:13. > :13:14.the jobs, they are going to EU nationals and non-EU nationals have
:13:15. > :13:22.no rights whatsoever in this country.
:13:23. > :13:26.APPLAUSE I understand that argument, sir, and
:13:27. > :13:31.I heard that argument, but I put it to you. If you really think that the
:13:32. > :13:36.right of the Conservative Party and Ukip want to have your Eastern
:13:37. > :13:40.European migrants so they can have more commonwealth migrants, you have
:13:41. > :13:47.not been paying attention. APPLAUSE
:13:48. > :13:52.Of the question -- on the question of lies and misrepresentation, which
:13:53. > :13:56.somebody raised, you know, some of the promises made by the Leave
:13:57. > :13:59.people unravelled within hours. Dominick is no telling us we want to
:14:00. > :14:05.take our time. Lots of people thought we would come out of Europe
:14:06. > :14:13.today. We never said that. We never said it. Controlling immigration.
:14:14. > :14:17.You just want to rerun the debate. For words, not backwards. It is
:14:18. > :14:21.important to show how the promises people voted on have unravelled in
:14:22. > :14:27.hours. You spoke on immigration. Hours after the vote, we will not
:14:28. > :14:30.bring down numbers of migrants. Ask those -- as for those millions of
:14:31. > :14:32.pounds the Leave people said would be spent on the NHS...
:14:33. > :14:39.APPLAUSE No Nigel Farage is saying, we never
:14:40. > :14:43.meant to say that -- no Nigel Farage. Their story is unravelling!
:14:44. > :14:50.You would like the referendum fought again? No, I said right at the
:14:51. > :14:58.beginning, David, it is an important vote and I respected. I had nothing
:14:59. > :15:01.to do with Vote Leave. I would have not have joined them and campaign
:15:02. > :15:04.for them. It was Vote Leave who have that slogan on the side of the boss,
:15:05. > :15:12.not Nigel Farage, so stop scaremongering. I am sick of it. If
:15:13. > :15:16.you want to win an election, stop the sanctimony, because we are sick
:15:17. > :15:18.and tired of it. There was an interview on this morning with Nigel
:15:19. > :15:24.Farage and the presenter challenged him over the money to be spent on
:15:25. > :15:31.the NHS. That was Vote Leave, it was not Nigel Farage. He has nothing to
:15:32. > :15:37.do with Vote Leave. You ever had the ?350 million, we are all agreed it
:15:38. > :15:41.was a light? -- but whoever had it. We are all agreed it was alive. I
:15:42. > :15:49.will take a question from Margaret then give time for general questions
:15:50. > :15:54.at the end -- it was a lie. Has Armageddon arrived for our political
:15:55. > :16:00.parties instead? After it was promised to come by Remain.
:16:01. > :16:07.APPLAUSE When they went on air I think, Diane
:16:08. > :16:10.Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn had lost ten members of the Shadow Cabinet. You
:16:11. > :16:15.will not know this but while we have been on air, he has also lost the
:16:16. > :16:18.Shadow Attorney General. So from Labour's point of view, the party
:16:19. > :16:21.does seem to be unravelling under the pressure of this referendum, and
:16:22. > :16:27.people seem very unhappy with what Jeremy Corbyn did. I will come to
:16:28. > :16:33.the Tory party in a moment. On the question of Armageddon I actually
:16:34. > :16:36.think the project -- Project Fear stuff was exaggerated and in the end
:16:37. > :16:39.did not convince people and that is why the Leave people won. On the
:16:40. > :16:45.question of Jeremy Corbyn, it is a funny thing. I think the clear
:16:46. > :16:49.lessons of this vote after the EU, it is that people all over the
:16:50. > :16:56.country do not want politics as usual. If there is any party leader
:16:57. > :16:58.who stands for not politics as usual, it is Jeremy Corbyn. The
:16:59. > :17:01.truth is... APPLAUSE
:17:02. > :17:05.The truth is the Labour MPs who have been running around in circles today
:17:06. > :17:10.have been planning this for months. And I believe, because they have
:17:11. > :17:13.never accepted the result of last summer's leadership contest. It is
:17:14. > :17:18.because they did not accept he played a proper part in the
:17:19. > :17:22.referendum campaign... No, they have been speaking about this for months.
:17:23. > :17:25.It is a relevant holy run the campaign? They have used this but
:17:26. > :17:30.they have been speaking about it for months, -- Italy's irrelevant how he
:17:31. > :17:35.ran the campaign. We should be talking about people, going after
:17:36. > :17:37.people, reconstructing relationships with their base. We should not be
:17:38. > :17:45.running around playing Westminster games. Alex Salmond. I think the
:17:46. > :17:52.lady had a great question. Nicola Sturgeon looks fine at the present
:17:53. > :17:55.moment, but... Well, she does. Let's not use the SNP as an answer to
:17:56. > :17:59.every question. And it you do not like to talk about it, but never
:18:00. > :18:03.mind. The Prime Minister has gone, 11 members of the Shadow Cabinet
:18:04. > :18:06.have gone, Jeremy Corbyn might be going. David, I am just glad you're
:18:07. > :18:12.still here. You are the fixture... LAUGHTER
:18:13. > :18:15.APPLAUSE I hate to tell you that I am not
:18:16. > :18:23.part of the Constitution. Anna Soubry? The leaving of Kyle
:18:24. > :18:26.Turner is very significant. He is no playwright or troublemaker. He is
:18:27. > :18:35.very far into the left of the Labour Party and it is significant that he
:18:36. > :18:38.has gone -- he is no Blairite. Obviously Diane does not want to
:18:39. > :18:42.speak about the meltdown in the Labour Party. We can't speak about
:18:43. > :18:48.my party, yes, but we need a good strong opposition. OK, let's speak
:18:49. > :18:54.about your party. Do you want Boris as your leader? I am not friends
:18:55. > :18:59.with Boris at the moment. It is not a question of friendship. There is a
:19:00. > :19:02.good question that having led this he should jolly well get on and make
:19:03. > :19:07.the best of what he has brought us two, but I want a leader who can be
:19:08. > :19:11.a proper world player, who is a grown-up reader with the credibility
:19:12. > :19:18.and also has had seen your experience in national Government --
:19:19. > :19:21.drawn up leader. Anyone in mind? I actually have an open mind.
:19:22. > :19:24.Genuinely, I see what I think. I think there are some very good
:19:25. > :19:35.people coming forward, and they have... It is the qualities... I am
:19:36. > :19:37.a Jeremy Corbyn fan and I think probably the Blairites are making
:19:38. > :19:40.their move there because the Chilcott report is coming out, what
:19:41. > :19:45.is it, next month? APPLAUSE
:19:46. > :19:49.And they can't come out after that. But to be serious, the problem is
:19:50. > :19:55.for the Labour Party, and I have no happiness seeing this, it is much
:19:56. > :19:58.deeper, this referendum has revealed how out of touch so many in the
:19:59. > :20:04.Labour Party are with their base, and that is extremely worrying I
:20:05. > :20:08.think because the people who may be beneficiaries of that are the far
:20:09. > :20:11.right, and that worries me enormously.
:20:12. > :20:15.APPLAUSE By my watch we have just over five
:20:16. > :20:18.minutes to go. We have heard a lot of arguments. There is one
:20:19. > :20:23.particular thing I would like to raise because 3 million people who
:20:24. > :20:27.voted to remain have now asked for another vote and the petition. I
:20:28. > :20:31.would like to hear from people who voted Remain and feel somehow things
:20:32. > :20:36.went wrong for for them and their discontent with the answer. You,
:20:37. > :20:40.sir? Yes, I think the British public not only bought it for Brexit but it
:20:41. > :20:42.was also a no-confidence vote in this Government, so we should have a
:20:43. > :20:50.General Election. APPLAUSE
:20:51. > :20:54.Did you vote Remain? From you. If we did have a General Election and the
:20:55. > :20:59.winning side explicitly campaign not to invoke Article 50, is a second
:21:00. > :21:04.referendum a realistic possibility? That is what I am clinging to.
:21:05. > :21:08.General Election then a second referendum after negotiations? Does
:21:09. > :21:11.anybody think that is possible? There is a petition up at the
:21:12. > :21:21.moment, isn't there? 3 million people. And 30,000 signed up from
:21:22. > :21:27.the Vatican City which it has 8 million people living there! Think
:21:28. > :21:31.it is only 400,000 people who have signed the petition and are eligible
:21:32. > :21:35.to vote in this country. Back to the question on the fragmentation of
:21:36. > :21:37.politics. And literally feel the Westminster jigsaw has been thrown
:21:38. > :21:43.on the floor and they will really have to put this back together. I do
:21:44. > :21:46.not think in the long term the Labour Party can survive in its
:21:47. > :21:50.current form. If Corbyn gets the signatories he will go back on that
:21:51. > :21:53.ballot paper and he will be re-elected and in the end people
:21:54. > :21:56.like Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt will have to make a decision and I
:21:57. > :22:03.can see a gang of four moments down the line again. Speaking about new
:22:04. > :22:07.political parties, has Ukip done its bit and can be now retire?
:22:08. > :22:15.APPLAUSE Absolutely not! Giles, there is a
:22:16. > :22:18.fragmentation, as he said, particularly between the Labour
:22:19. > :22:22.Party and working class seat and that is where Ukip had the biggest
:22:23. > :22:30.vote for Brexit... M's open house. You with the spectacles on? -- open
:22:31. > :22:33.house. With the request for another referendum, and let's entertain this
:22:34. > :22:37.just for a moment, what happens if people still vote Leave in the
:22:38. > :22:46.second one, do we just keep having referendums after referendum?
:22:47. > :22:52.APPLAUSE I voted Remain and it has left me
:22:53. > :22:56.feeling quite upset about leaving the EU but also with a deep mistrust
:22:57. > :23:00.of politicians on both sides of the campaign. I heard a lot of rhetoric
:23:01. > :23:04.about, we are going to build hope and bring people together, but what
:23:05. > :23:09.are you actually going to do? What is it that worries you? It worries
:23:10. > :23:14.me that there are a lot of people in society who are no marginalised --
:23:15. > :23:19.no marginalised and another part of this country, which left a lot of
:23:20. > :23:22.people on the Remain said no feeling they are not connected to society so
:23:23. > :23:26.I am wondering what to do about that. What do you think? I think
:23:27. > :23:30.there needs to be a real engagement with politics. I am quite strongly
:23:31. > :23:32.Labour and think Corbyn is a really good leader and think a lot of
:23:33. > :23:36.people spend time trying to undermine him because he does
:23:37. > :23:41.something different to the usual politicians. You at the back. Do you
:23:42. > :23:48.think it was irresponsible of David Cameron not to negotiate a scenario
:23:49. > :23:55.for a Brexit when he went to negotiate the exit times? You mean
:23:56. > :23:59.he should have done that to things at the same time -- exit terms. I
:24:00. > :24:03.think it is something that has gone wrong. The problem has been you
:24:04. > :24:10.cannot say to people, after decades of telling them the EU is not good,
:24:11. > :24:13.in four months, to say to people, actually, not only is it rather
:24:14. > :24:21.good, but positively go out and vote for it. That has been a problem in
:24:22. > :24:26.politics. Do you want to... Were you listening? I was focusing on the
:24:27. > :24:31.question about the political class being broken. I do not see... Or
:24:32. > :24:34.trust in the political class. If that is true, and I hope it is not
:24:35. > :24:38.and I hope it is salvageable, but I do not see how the answer can be to
:24:39. > :24:41.ignore the outcome of a referendum were we got the biggest democratic
:24:42. > :24:45.mandate for change in recent history, certainly in my lifetime. I
:24:46. > :24:48.think the answer has to be to respect that verdict but make sure
:24:49. > :24:53.and try to find some stronger unity of purpose as we go forward in the
:24:54. > :25:01.manner we conduct that exit negotiation. OK, very quickly. With
:25:02. > :25:09.4% of the world scientists and 16% of the world's most highly cited
:25:10. > :25:12.scientific papers, those rely on all that EU funding. How do you expect
:25:13. > :25:19.of a leading role in the world economy if you cannot fund research?
:25:20. > :25:25.APPLAUSE The funding of research. He is
:25:26. > :25:38.right, but we lost. We have to move on. It is all to play for. I am
:25:39. > :25:41.sorry. We have come to the end of our hour those of my thanks to our
:25:42. > :25:48.panel and for all of you came here to Birmingham this evening. Good
:25:49. > :25:49.evening. -- from Question Time, good