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:00:00. > :00:00.Tonight, the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn,

:00:07. > :00:09.and the challenger for the leadership, Owen Smith,

:00:10. > :00:27.Our audience here is made up of Labour voters,

:00:28. > :00:31.evenly divided between supporters of the two candidates.

:00:32. > :00:33.There are also some voters from other parties ?

:00:34. > :00:39.As always on Question Time, neither contender knows any

:00:40. > :00:46.You can use Facebook and Twitter to comment on what you hear.

:00:47. > :00:49.Our hashtag is #bbcqt, or text 83981,

:00:50. > :00:57.and push the red button to see what others are saying.

:00:58. > :01:00.The question then is, who should lead the Labour Party?

:01:01. > :01:28.Please welcome Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith.

:01:29. > :01:37.Welcome to you both. Thank you very much. Our first question from

:01:38. > :01:42.Stephen Williams, please. Mr Corbyn has no support from his MPs, Mr

:01:43. > :01:49.Smith has no support from his party. Should they not stand aside and let

:01:50. > :01:55.a unity candidate unite the party? Step aside, both of you, and unite

:01:56. > :01:59.the party. There are no absolutes in this respect. Yes, there is huge

:02:00. > :02:03.support within the party a direction of this party in opposing austerity

:02:04. > :02:11.and campaigning for equality across Britain. Yes, a number of MPs do

:02:12. > :02:16.support me, a large number do not. I understand that. But when this

:02:17. > :02:19.election is over, if I am elected leader of the party, I hope the MPs

:02:20. > :02:23.will come together, we will once again have a Shadow Cabinet that is

:02:24. > :02:26.balanced and extended to all wings of the party, and we will get

:02:27. > :02:31.together to take on the Tories and what they are doing to education, to

:02:32. > :02:35.health, to housing, and creating greater inequality in this country.

:02:36. > :02:39.That is what I am offering. APPLAUSE

:02:40. > :02:45.Just before I come to Owen Smith, what makes you think 80% of the

:02:46. > :02:50.parliamentary party who abandoned you will suddenly come flooding

:02:51. > :02:54.back? I have been talking to lots of them. MPs talk a great deal. I think

:02:55. > :02:58.after the election and after conference is over, you will see the

:02:59. > :03:01.wish of MPs to reflect the wishes of party members all over the country,

:03:02. > :03:04.that there is a coming together in order to oppose this Tory

:03:05. > :03:09.government. APPLAUSE

:03:10. > :03:15.There are still three weeks to go in this contest and it's an incredibly

:03:16. > :03:21.important choice we face before us in the Labour Party. I'm incredibly

:03:22. > :03:25.proud that I got the support of 170 of our 220 MPs in Westminster, and

:03:26. > :03:28.that shows that I can command respect and support in the

:03:29. > :03:31.Parliamentary Labour Party, where we have to take the fight to the Tories

:03:32. > :03:36.and build the case for a future Labour government. I am also pleased

:03:37. > :03:40.that in the one vote we have had in the contest so far, in the GMB, one

:03:41. > :03:47.of the great trade unions in this country, I won. 40,000 people voted,

:03:48. > :03:52.26,000 voted for me, 17,004 Jeremy. I am incredibly confident that I can

:03:53. > :03:55.win this contest. I say to everybody in the Labour movement right now, it

:03:56. > :03:59.is in your hands, the choices with you as to whether we want to be with

:04:00. > :04:02.Jeremy and in opposition potentially for a generation, or start leading

:04:03. > :04:06.the way back to Labour being in power. That is where we need to be

:04:07. > :04:06.and that is what I intend to deliver.

:04:07. > :04:23.APPLAUSE Do you want to come back on that?

:04:24. > :04:27.What is your view? The squabbles have made the party look

:04:28. > :04:31.unelectable. Both of you look unelectable. You should stand aside

:04:32. > :04:34.and let somebody else, Harriet Harman, somebody like that,

:04:35. > :04:40.somebody, anybody, leads the party to victory. Otherwise, ten more

:04:41. > :04:47.years of Conservative government that nobody wants, especially not

:04:48. > :04:53.you two, I'm sure. So stand aside. Thanks for your vote of confidence,

:04:54. > :04:59.I really appreciate it. I just say this to you. Over the past year we

:05:00. > :05:03.have recruited 300,000 members to the Labour Party. That surely has to

:05:04. > :05:07.be something worth noticing. APPLAUSE

:05:08. > :05:11.80% of the constituency parties, the local parties that nominated,

:05:12. > :05:18.nominated me for the leadership. Now, you not think that we have the

:05:19. > :05:21.wherewithal or capabilities to do things, but I am sure you would

:05:22. > :05:25.understand that those people that have nominated us both think we can

:05:26. > :05:29.do the job, both want the party to succeed, and that very large body of

:05:30. > :05:34.members want to go doorknocking, campaigning and all that kind of

:05:35. > :05:38.thing. I think what you have had is a few weeks of incredibly negative

:05:39. > :05:43.press about the party because of the leadership election. Indeed, we have

:05:44. > :05:46.had a year of negative press about the party. I think after conference

:05:47. > :05:50.you will see something happening which will be that unity, to take on

:05:51. > :05:53.the Tories and what they are doing in this country. I really do believe

:05:54. > :05:56.that. APPLAUSE

:05:57. > :06:02.I admire Jeremy's optimism but I don't think that is what we will

:06:03. > :06:07.see. The truth is it is not just 300,000 new members we have seen. We

:06:08. > :06:12.have seen Labour going backwards, back at 26-27% in the polls. Right

:06:13. > :06:15.now, the chances are we would be out of power for a generation. If there

:06:16. > :06:21.were an election tomorrow, Labour would lose up to 60 seats. The

:06:22. > :06:25.entire reason I am standing in this campaign is in order to get Labour

:06:26. > :06:28.back to where it needs to be, taking on the Tories, really defending our

:06:29. > :06:32.record, standing up for what we believe in and presenting a credible

:06:33. > :06:36.alternative to the Tories. Instead of which, I think Jeremy is more

:06:37. > :06:40.satisfied with leading the Labour Party in opposition. I'm never going

:06:41. > :06:41.to be satisfied with that. I want to lead us back to government.

:06:42. > :06:51.APPLAUSE How will you lead better than he

:06:52. > :06:56.does? How will you unite the party? The first thing to do is to be a

:06:57. > :07:03.credible opposition. Today, for example, we have seen a 20% rise

:07:04. > :07:05.since last year in zero-hours contract, 1 million extra people

:07:06. > :07:09.announced today on waiting lists in the NHS. And the Tories doing

:07:10. > :07:13.something not even Margaret Thatcher dared to do, bringing back to tear

:07:14. > :07:18.education. Jeremy has not commented on any of these things. The Tories

:07:19. > :07:21.are running amok in this country right now and we in the Labour

:07:22. > :07:25.Party, all of us here, everybody right across this party, not just

:07:26. > :07:29.the Parliamentary Labour Party, we are all guilty of letting down not

:07:30. > :07:33.our party, the people we seek to serve, the people who need a Labour

:07:34. > :07:38.government to get those waiting lists down, to invest in the NHS,

:07:39. > :07:41.make sure we don't have grammar schools back. But we can't do any of

:07:42. > :07:49.that in opposition. We have to win to do it. It is not a dirty word, it

:07:50. > :07:57.is what we are about. I will go to you first. Up until the

:07:58. > :08:03.mass resignations that took place within the Labour Party, within the

:08:04. > :08:04.PLP, were we not ahead by a couple of percent?

:08:05. > :08:16.APPLAUSE Was that not the point at which we

:08:17. > :08:22.started falling backwards? No. Let me correct you, sir. You are wrong.

:08:23. > :08:27.In 89 polls, under Jeremy's leadership, we were behind in 85 of

:08:28. > :08:36.them. We were at level pegging in four. We are at a lower ebb in the

:08:37. > :08:43.polls than since 1982 when I was 12. We are a disaster. We were behind in

:08:44. > :08:48.85 polls in a row under Jeremy, before the PLP resigned. And we are

:08:49. > :08:56.further behind right now. You, sir, on the left. I would like to say to

:08:57. > :09:00.you, Jeremy, ignore some of the negative comments that are coming,

:09:01. > :09:04.because I have been a Labour Party supporter for a very long time. I

:09:05. > :09:08.walked up and down the street knocking on doors, and people love

:09:09. > :09:08.you. People want you to be the Prime Minister.

:09:09. > :09:16.APPLAUSE The reason they want you to be Prime

:09:17. > :09:20.Minister is because you care about them, they know you will fight for

:09:21. > :09:28.justice, fight for poverty, education, employment. He can make

:09:29. > :09:31.the speech! Well done. All right, we have heard from a staunch supporter

:09:32. > :09:36.of Jeremy Corbyn. I would like to hear from a staunch supporter of

:09:37. > :09:42.Owen Smith's campaign. Yes, you, sir. It is fair to say the Labour

:09:43. > :09:45.Party membership has gone up, but why did we get annihilated in

:09:46. > :09:51.Scotland behind the Tories bastion Mark what is your view about the

:09:52. > :09:54.Smith campaign? I think the Labour Party is in a sad situation because

:09:55. > :10:00.I can't same heart is beating on either side, to be honest. I think

:10:01. > :10:04.it is sad that we have booing when we oppose Jeremy, but I think Owen's

:10:05. > :10:07.campaign is more balanced. It is one thing to have principles and

:10:08. > :10:11.beliefs, but you have to sell it to the British people in our electoral

:10:12. > :10:12.system, and Scotland showed that you did not do that.

:10:13. > :10:20.APPLAUSE One of the reasons I am supporting

:10:21. > :10:23.Owen is that I believe the Parliamentary Labour Party is the

:10:24. > :10:30.most important thing to focus on. It is what makes us electable. But I

:10:31. > :10:33.have been on the committee of our young CLP group for a while and I

:10:34. > :10:37.have been so disappointed. The discourse has not been constructive,

:10:38. > :10:42.it has been divisive and abusive at times. I have this associated myself

:10:43. > :10:47.from it completely because it upsets me. You can hear it tonight with

:10:48. > :10:53.people booing. It is both sides but I have heard it mostly from Jeremy's

:10:54. > :10:57.side, and I think that is bad. It just upsets me when one party, and

:10:58. > :11:01.at the end of this I don't want people to split and leave. I have

:11:02. > :11:05.had members of 30 years' time they want to leave if one or the other

:11:06. > :11:10.wins. It is not right. We are one party and I think what is happening

:11:11. > :11:15.in general is disgraceful. APPLAUSE

:11:16. > :11:20.Jeremy, why have you not considered your core vote? You may have the

:11:21. > :11:27.support of the membership but not of the core vote, which is what counts

:11:28. > :11:31.and wins a general election. Jeremy Corbyn. First, on the point is taken

:11:32. > :11:34.from the back, there should be no abuse, there should be no online

:11:35. > :11:39.abuse, no Twitter abuse, there should not be abuse in political

:11:40. > :11:43.debate. I never make personal attacks on anybody, that is not the

:11:44. > :11:49.way I conduct myself, and I want other people to do the same. Yes,

:11:50. > :11:54.the party has to come together. Yes, after this election is over at the

:11:55. > :11:59.result will be announced and from that point on we have to be a strong

:12:00. > :12:02.campaigning party. We were more or less level pegging with the Tories

:12:03. > :12:08.until there was this series of resignations from the Shadow

:12:09. > :12:13.Cabinet. And I hope that Owen or understand that after this election

:12:14. > :12:16.there has to be a coming together, and that all numbers of the

:12:17. > :12:19.Parliamentary Labour Party will be prepared to come together to achieve

:12:20. > :12:24.that. Your point about the core vote, the core vote is people who

:12:25. > :12:29.have consistently voted Labour for very many years. It is also a very

:12:30. > :12:32.large number of people who are intrinsically inclined towards

:12:33. > :12:36.Labour but have not bothered to vote in the past. Only 47% of young

:12:37. > :12:42.people voted in the last general election. There is an energising of

:12:43. > :12:46.politics over the past year. Many of those that have joined the party,

:12:47. > :12:49.many of those that are active in local groups are very well connected

:12:50. > :12:55.with colleges, universities, young people at work. I tell you this,

:12:56. > :12:58.after this leadership is over there will be that energising in politics,

:12:59. > :13:03.which will challenge the Tories. What are the Tories offering? They

:13:04. > :13:07.are offering greater inequality, they are offering continuation of

:13:08. > :13:12.low wages, and in many cases zero-hours contracts. They are

:13:13. > :13:16.offering selectivity in education rather than universality, which is

:13:17. > :13:19.something I believe in. They are not offering anything that will solve

:13:20. > :13:24.the housing crisis people face across this country. A Labour

:13:25. > :13:28.opposition offering investment in a growing economy, a Labour opposition

:13:29. > :13:32.offering to invest to drive down begin qualities in Britain and

:13:33. > :13:35.invest in a growing economy with sustainable jobs, I think that is

:13:36. > :13:37.something that is very attractive and will bring an awful lot of

:13:38. > :13:43.people over to Labour. APPLAUSE

:13:44. > :13:50.One more question about the future after this thing is over, this

:13:51. > :13:56.election is decided. Maureen Kelly has a question. If Jeremy wins the

:13:57. > :14:02.contest, will it inevitably lead to a split in the party? As many have

:14:03. > :14:08.suggested, Owen Smith. What do you think? I hope and pray that it does

:14:09. > :14:14.not. One of the reasons I am running is to stop the split. The question

:14:15. > :14:20.was, will it inevitably lead to it? How will it be avoided. Jeremy, or

:14:21. > :14:25.I, whoever wins, needs to working credibly hard to heal the rifts. You

:14:26. > :14:29.will work with him if he wins? I have already said I will happily

:14:30. > :14:35.vote Labour. You will join the Shadow Cabinet if he wins? I have

:14:36. > :14:39.said I could not serve Jeremy with integrity because I don't agree can

:14:40. > :14:45.lead us to victory. So the division is already there. Would you urge the

:14:46. > :14:48.80% to come behind Jeremy, or should they stay to one side and let them

:14:49. > :14:55.get on with it because he is going to lose? It is for others to decide.

:14:56. > :14:58.But you must have a view. My view is that I would not serve in Jeremy's

:14:59. > :15:02.Shadow Cabinet because I could not do that with integrity. But that is

:15:03. > :15:06.not to split the party because I will always be Labour. I am never

:15:07. > :15:12.going to leave the Labour Party, I will be Labour until the day I die.

:15:13. > :15:15.I have worried because this is at the heart of it. It is about

:15:16. > :15:20.reality. Jeremy says we were ahead in the polls. We were not. He says

:15:21. > :15:24.we are doing OK in Scotland and we are not, having gone from second to

:15:25. > :15:27.third, behind the Tories. And he says he can win by getting voters to

:15:28. > :15:31.come back and vote Labour when all of the numbers tell us everybody who

:15:32. > :15:35.has ever knocked on a door in this country knows that we will not win

:15:36. > :15:39.by getting nonvoters. The way we win this by getting people who voted

:15:40. > :15:41.Tory to vote Labour at the next election and Jeremy is not going to

:15:42. > :15:46.persuade them. APPLAUSE

:15:47. > :15:53.A brief point from you at the front set. I think Alyn Smith has answered

:15:54. > :16:00.the question. He's open to a party splitting. Why would a Labour Party

:16:01. > :16:06.member not serve under Jeremy Corbyn? If he was a true labour

:16:07. > :16:13.member, he would serve under any Labour leader. As Jeremy has done.

:16:14. > :16:18.You are in the wrong party. That's the sort of abuse we have been

:16:19. > :16:24.subjected to in this campaign. I'm a Labour man and have been Labour all

:16:25. > :16:29.my life. I will always be Labour. How come you won't serve under him?

:16:30. > :16:33.The crucial moment when I decided I would stand was when John McDonnell

:16:34. > :16:37.said to me that he was prepared to see the party split in order to

:16:38. > :16:42.further his project. That's the moment I realised we needed to stand

:16:43. > :16:46.up and be counted and make sure we didn't split the party. Jeremy

:16:47. > :16:51.Corbyn, can you comment on what John McDonnell said? We had a discussion

:16:52. > :16:56.in my office in which Owen was present and Owen generously offered

:16:57. > :16:59.me unopposed election to a nonexistent job that wasn't his gift

:17:00. > :17:08.to give if I resigned from the party. That's a different

:17:09. > :17:15.conversation, Jeremy. It was really generous of you, Owen. You and I

:17:16. > :17:19.managed to work together quite well on issues surrounding the DWP.

:17:20. > :17:24.Indeed, we had a major victory on that. All of us had that major

:17:25. > :17:29.victory, which was very good. 3 million families didn't lose ?1000

:17:30. > :17:33.this year because of that victory we managed to impose in the House of

:17:34. > :17:37.Lords and our opposition in the House of Commons. That was good,

:17:38. > :17:40.surely. I don't fully understand what the problem is. You obviously

:17:41. > :17:48.have enormous talents so why can't we work together? I've said it

:17:49. > :17:53.several times, Jeremy. And I will say it again to you. If I felt you

:17:54. > :17:58.were going to lead Labour back to power then I would work with you in

:17:59. > :18:03.the Shadow Cabinet. But I feel you are satisfied to lead us in

:18:04. > :18:07.opposition. We need a leader who is determined to lead Labour back into

:18:08. > :18:10.government. I don't think you can do that, and I don't think you think

:18:11. > :18:14.you can do it. I think that's a desperate shame for this country

:18:15. > :18:22.because we need a Labour government to stop zero hours contracts, to

:18:23. > :18:25.invest in the NHS and ensure we have decent housing. The only way we will

:18:26. > :18:34.achieve all those things we want is if we are in government. Why do you

:18:35. > :18:39.say that Mr Corbyn doesn't think he can do it? Why is he bothering to

:18:40. > :18:43.stand for leadership again? I saw him be asked five times on Channel 4

:18:44. > :18:47.if you really wanted to be Prime Minister and he didn't answer it.

:18:48. > :18:51.I've seen him in the Shadow Cabinet opposite me in the last several

:18:52. > :18:55.months offering scant leadership, not discussing the DWP issues. The

:18:56. > :19:01.truth is, Jeremy and I worked together for some extent, but we had

:19:02. > :19:06.one meeting in 11 months. I asked to meet on several occasions and he

:19:07. > :19:13.wasn't available. A couple more points on this before moving onto

:19:14. > :19:19.particular policies. Good evening, Owen. Could you explain to me a

:19:20. > :19:22.specific policy, a Labour policy, that you would ASBO is too which is

:19:23. > :19:33.completely and utterly different to Jeremy? -- you would espouse two. I

:19:34. > :19:37.would want to remain in the European Union. Jeremy has wanted to leave

:19:38. > :19:41.for 45 years. I don't believe we should trigger article 50, Jeremy

:19:42. > :19:45.says we should trigger it immediately. I think we should be

:19:46. > :19:51.members of the single market, even if we leave, and Jeremy disagrees, a

:19:52. > :19:57.fundamental difference. That takes us to a question we have on this

:19:58. > :20:02.exact subject from Robert Barnes. Should there be a second referendum

:20:03. > :20:14.on EU membership or the terms of our Brexit negotiations? That's the

:20:15. > :20:19.proposal Owen Smith put. I think we have to negotiate with the European

:20:20. > :20:23.Union on the terms of exit. We have to recognise, regrettable as they

:20:24. > :20:27.are, the results of the referendum. We have to make sure we have access

:20:28. > :20:32.to European markets for manufactured goods. We have to make sure we have

:20:33. > :20:36.protection of workers and consumer rights, paternity and maternity

:20:37. > :20:39.leave, and other environmental protection is gained through

:20:40. > :20:44.membership of the European Union. And we have to have that positive

:20:45. > :20:51.relationship with Europe meaning the ability to sell our goods. Do you

:20:52. > :20:53.want to remain in the single market if possible? A single market if

:20:54. > :20:57.possible, and I think it probably is, that means we would have to be

:20:58. > :21:01.prepared to negotiate trade relations with other countries, but

:21:02. > :21:04.crucially 70% of our exports go to Europe already and it makes a lot of

:21:05. > :21:11.sense to get on with negotiating now. I also hope continued

:21:12. > :21:16.membership of the European investment bank, I think that's

:21:17. > :21:21.important. In other trade treaties, such as with the United States, I'm

:21:22. > :21:27.very sceptical of the transatlantic trade investment partnership and the

:21:28. > :21:32.agenda that goes with that. APPLAUSE I would want us to develop trade

:21:33. > :21:37.relations that empower democratic government, don't undermine it and

:21:38. > :21:40.give power to global corporations as I believe TTIP would do. What is

:21:41. > :21:46.your belief on controlling immigration, where some Labour

:21:47. > :21:52.voters were uncertain on what you thought. Non-European immigration is

:21:53. > :21:57.already subject to a great deal of control. EU free movement of people

:21:58. > :22:02.is an issue that comes directly with market access. The points I was

:22:03. > :22:06.making throughout the referendum campaign was that we should sign the

:22:07. > :22:10.amendments for the workers directive to prevent the undercutting of wages

:22:11. > :22:17.by groups of workers brought in from different countries to work in

:22:18. > :22:20.Britain, and that we should try to protect them and their conditions.

:22:21. > :22:24.But communities that have been greatly affected by an influx of

:22:25. > :22:29.people coming into work should be funded properly through a migrant

:22:30. > :22:33.impact fund. In fact, Gordon Brown's government introduced that but the

:22:34. > :22:39.Tories abolished it, so we should have support for those communities.

:22:40. > :22:44.The country voted out. Owen Smith says it's not the end of the story.

:22:45. > :22:48.I say we have to know what Brexit means. Theresa May says Brexit means

:22:49. > :22:54.a Brexit but this week shows the Tories don't have a clue. David

:22:55. > :22:58.Davis says we are leaving the single market, as Jeremy has agreed.

:22:59. > :23:03.Theresa May says it doesn't. Earlier it meant ?350 million per week for

:23:04. > :23:08.the NHS and that was a lie. They said there would be points-based

:23:09. > :23:12.immigration. They said we would have trade deals done and dusted with

:23:13. > :23:15.Australia and America in a matter of months and those countries say it

:23:16. > :23:19.could be years before we have those deals in place. My simple message to

:23:20. > :23:25.the Labour movement, we have to stand up to the Tories, oppose them

:23:26. > :23:27.properly, hold them to account, negotiate hard alongside them and

:23:28. > :23:31.determine what Brexit will really mean. If it means worse living

:23:32. > :23:37.standards for the British people, less money for the NHS, less

:23:38. > :23:40.workers' rights, less environmental protection, we should either have a

:23:41. > :23:45.general election with Labour arguing we should go back in, or potentially

:23:46. > :23:49.a second referendum and test the actual deal, not what we were

:23:50. > :23:54.promised, which was clearly a lie, but what the Tories are actually

:23:55. > :23:59.going to deliver. I feel they will use these excuses. Nigel Lawson said

:24:00. > :24:02.this week that they would finish Thatcher's revolution. That's what

:24:03. > :24:07.they have in mind and it would be an ugly, hard Brexit for Britain and

:24:08. > :24:13.places like Oldham would suffer. Unless I misunderstood, you said you

:24:14. > :24:16.wanted Labour to go into the next election saying the party policy

:24:17. > :24:22.would be to ignore the Brexit vote and go back into the EU Busted

:24:23. > :24:31.exactly. We need to find out what it is. -- into the EU? Exactly. We

:24:32. > :24:36.don't know where we are going. You do know where you're going, you want

:24:37. > :24:39.to go back in! I hope we are. I think we should be strong about that

:24:40. > :24:45.because I've always believed that the best things about the European

:24:46. > :24:48.Union, the ability to safeguard workers' rights... Did you vote for

:24:49. > :24:55.the referendum to happen? We all voted for it. And you don't accept

:24:56. > :25:01.the result? My view is we don't know what we were voting for. We were

:25:02. > :25:07.lied to about 350 million, Theresa May says Brexit means Brexit. We

:25:08. > :25:11.shouldn't give them a blank cheque on this. Jeremy is giving them a

:25:12. > :25:15.free ride. I say to hold them to account and find out what is really

:25:16. > :25:18.on offer. If it's worse for the people of Oldham then of course

:25:19. > :25:22.Labour should put in a manifesto that we would improve the

:25:23. > :25:31.livelihoods of the people of Oldham. And if that means voting to go back

:25:32. > :25:35.into the EU? Yes we should. The referendum has delivered a decision.

:25:36. > :25:39.It might not be the decision we wanted, and I think it's up to

:25:40. > :25:42.Parliament to work with that. I want to protect the conditions we have

:25:43. > :25:46.gained in Europe. I want market access within Europe, and one of the

:25:47. > :25:52.points I made during the campaign was that the EU needed to reform, it

:25:53. > :26:00.was proposing privatisation across the continent, and was bringing in

:26:01. > :26:03.unpleasant ideas about how national governments should run their

:26:04. > :26:08.economies. I think we need to negotiate a good trading arrangement

:26:09. > :26:14.with Europe, protect those conditions and give us market

:26:15. > :26:17.access. Let's go back to Robert Barnes who asked the question.

:26:18. > :26:24.What's your view of what you've heard? I totally disagree with Owen

:26:25. > :26:27.Smith. More than 17 million people voted to leave the European Union,

:26:28. > :26:31.and if you were leader the Labour Party would want to take is back in.

:26:32. > :26:38.That isn't what 17 million people voted for. We may not know the terms

:26:39. > :26:44.of the negotiation, but what would you do if the remain side had won

:26:45. > :26:48.and the leave side wanted a second referendum. It's hypocritical to say

:26:49. > :26:55.you want a second referendum. The country wanted out. Abide by that.

:26:56. > :27:01.The lady up there. To Jeremy, it's fine saying you were there debating

:27:02. > :27:10.Brexit during the referendum, but we didn't hear that on the doorstep

:27:11. > :27:14.from you at all. APPLAUSE What do you mean? That the

:27:15. > :27:19.referendum could have been won if he had spoken out more? I think so, to

:27:20. > :27:26.get those extra votes, definitely. We put the case to remain and

:27:27. > :27:30.reform. We didn't win the referendum, obviously. We have to

:27:31. > :27:37.work with the results of it. I did campaign for Remain. I campaigned to

:27:38. > :27:45.remain and reform the European Union. 65%, on opinion polls, of all

:27:46. > :27:56.Labour voters, voted to remain. How did 45% of Labour voters think the

:27:57. > :28:11.party backed Brexit? 45? 45% thought the party Labour act Brexit. --

:28:12. > :28:15.backed Brexit. The attempt to impose privatisation on the railway

:28:16. > :28:18.services across Europe... I don't think the European Union is perfect.

:28:19. > :28:23.I don't think anybody thinks the European Union is perfect. What

:28:24. > :28:29.about her argument, it's not the moment to be saying those things,

:28:30. > :28:33.but stay in, loudly and clearly. If we said everything in European Union

:28:34. > :28:39.was perfect I suspect we would have got less votes to remain than the

:28:40. > :28:46.other way round. The man in the blue shirt. I voted Ukip in the last two

:28:47. > :28:50.elections. If the Labour Party is going to get anywhere it's got to

:28:51. > :28:55.get those Ukip votes back to itself. I'm faced with a situation as a

:28:56. > :28:59.voter where we have a gentleman here, should he managed to overcome

:29:00. > :29:07.the democratically elected leader of the Labour Party, he will then

:29:08. > :29:13.attempt to overcome the decisions of the country that we should leave the

:29:14. > :29:20.European Union. Where are we supposed to take our vote? And where

:29:21. > :29:23.is our opposition? We have Theresa May now saying we don't want a

:29:24. > :29:28.points system for immigration. Yes we do, that's what we voted for. She

:29:29. > :29:32.said that's not what people want, but it's what the people do want.

:29:33. > :29:36.Why isn't the opposition screaming this? They are hiding behind wanting

:29:37. > :29:41.to go back into the European Union. That's not what we want and not what

:29:42. > :29:45.we voted for. May I put a point to you, thank you for your question. Do

:29:46. > :29:50.you think we should have an effective trading relationship with

:29:51. > :29:53.Europe? Yes we should. We had that before we joined the European Union.

:29:54. > :29:58.We had arrangements with America as well. It took three days to send

:29:59. > :30:05.troops to die for America, and they say it will take nine years to come

:30:06. > :30:08.up with a trade deal. Where are our politicians? We've had the European

:30:09. > :30:09.Union for so long that you forgotten how to make decisions and represent

:30:10. > :30:21.your country. What made you vote Ukip and leave

:30:22. > :30:29.Labour? I simply wanted out of the European Union. You did say you

:30:30. > :30:40.voted Labour before? Yes, I always vote. I am the older generation.

:30:41. > :30:44.Don't you agree there has to be an effective trading relationship with

:30:45. > :30:49.Europe, and don't you recognise that 2 million British people also live

:30:50. > :30:52.in other parts of Europe? So we have two except that there is a very

:30:53. > :30:58.close, often personal relationship with twin families here and families

:30:59. > :31:02.all across Europe. And a lot of European National is that live in

:31:03. > :31:10.this country work extremely hard and help to run our health and education

:31:11. > :31:15.service and many other services. Do you want complete freedom of

:31:16. > :31:20.movement? I supported freedom of movement but I was and still am

:31:21. > :31:23.concerned about the level of undercutting of wages. Look at

:31:24. > :31:27.Sports Direct in places like that. There has to be much tougher Labour

:31:28. > :31:31.regulations in Britain and there has to be an end to undercutting across

:31:32. > :31:36.Europe where they try and destroy industrywide agreements. I

:31:37. > :31:40.understand, but that is a different point. Is what you are saying that

:31:41. > :31:43.if we had proper minimum wage here, there would be less of a drag of

:31:44. > :31:48.people coming into Britain and you want about, or you want open

:31:49. > :31:52.borders? It will also have to be better wages and conditions in other

:31:53. > :31:57.parts of Europe. Isn't this pie in the sky, compared with the immediate

:31:58. > :32:03.possibility of reducing immigration, which you know was not popular among

:32:04. > :32:06.Labour voters? I ask people to be realistic about what European

:32:07. > :32:10.workers actually do in Britain, the number that help to run our vital

:32:11. > :32:16.services, and the effects on 2 million British people living in

:32:17. > :32:19.other parts of Europe. Owen Smith. I think the question revealed what I

:32:20. > :32:22.was saying, which is that we don't know what we really voted for

:32:23. > :32:27.because we do not have the points waste system you were talking about,

:32:28. > :32:30.we do not have the extra money for the NHS. And I remain concerned that

:32:31. > :32:35.the Tories will use this as an excuse to make us worse off as

:32:36. > :32:39.working people in this country. And I don't think the Labour Party

:32:40. > :32:44.should be Sangwan about that. Even if people voted to leave, I think

:32:45. > :32:47.they voted with an idea of what Britain would look like after we

:32:48. > :32:50.left. At the moment that is not clear, and I am very clear that the

:32:51. > :32:55.Labour Party should be being a much more powerful opposition. How can we

:32:56. > :32:58.go through two Prime Minister's Questions and not mention Brexit,

:32:59. > :33:03.the biggest issue that has faced our country in generations, and the

:33:04. > :33:06.biggest illustration that we, our leader right now, is not holding

:33:07. > :33:09.Theresa May and the Tories to account.

:33:10. > :33:17.APPLAUSE A couple of quick points and then we

:33:18. > :33:20.will move on. The EU referendum seems to have proven that the core

:33:21. > :33:25.voting block of the Labour Party, the working class, the Everyman that

:33:26. > :33:31.Labour is supposed to represent, want something else. They want Ukip,

:33:32. > :33:35.Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, they want to nationalism, not

:33:36. > :33:39.immigration. How is Labour going to change? Are we going to stick to

:33:40. > :33:44.these progressive values, or are we going to reflect the values that

:33:45. > :33:50.people seem to want? I think what they want is investment. Can you

:33:51. > :33:58.answer his definition? Is he right or wrong? I am not sure the answer

:33:59. > :34:02.is nationalism. In many areas there have been traditional Labour voters.

:34:03. > :34:06.You can overlay a map and see where the biggest effect of austerity have

:34:07. > :34:10.been, the biggest appeal of Ukip has been, the biggest Brexit vote has

:34:11. > :34:14.been, the biggest loss of industrial jobs. The answer to dealing with

:34:15. > :34:17.those things is for a Labour government to invest more, which is

:34:18. > :34:22.why I have talked about the need for a new deal, ?200 billion worth of

:34:23. > :34:26.borrowing to invest in those areas. If we invest in them, some of the

:34:27. > :34:31.pressures people feel and the concerns they have about immigration

:34:32. > :34:35.could be dealt with and dissipated. Don't you think you are insulting

:34:36. > :34:38.the intelligence of voters, saying they have been hoodwinked? If you

:34:39. > :34:46.say that, everyone who votes Conservative is hoodwinked, too.

:34:47. > :34:50.They were clearly hoodwinked about 350 million quid for the NHS because

:34:51. > :34:56.that is not coming. Can you restate your point to Jeremy Corbyn? Calling

:34:57. > :35:01.for a second referendum seems quite hypocritical. I am in favour of

:35:02. > :35:06.Remain, in fact I'm leaning towards Owen Smith because he wants to

:35:07. > :35:09.remain in the European Union. But the idea that democracy should be

:35:10. > :35:11.done again because we did not like the result is wrong and doesn't make

:35:12. > :35:18.sense. APPLAUSE

:35:19. > :35:24.It is an advisory referendum. You can ignore it, or you can accept the

:35:25. > :35:27.results. Ignoring it is an option but don't go through the facade of a

:35:28. > :35:34.second referendum. That does not make sense. I am not calling for a

:35:35. > :35:39.second referendum. Surely, the issue is security for people, security of

:35:40. > :35:43.work, security of education, security of a growing economy, which

:35:44. > :35:49.comes about if Labour is able to offer an alternative which is about

:35:50. > :35:52.investment, is about collecting the uncollected taxes, about building

:35:53. > :35:55.that houses that are necessary, rather than subsidising the private

:35:56. > :35:59.rented market. All those kind of issues are surely those that are

:36:00. > :36:04.actually very popular, not just with people in a difficult situation, but

:36:05. > :36:08.with everyone across the country who wants to live in a country of social

:36:09. > :36:15.justice rather than division. Isn't there some support for that idea? I

:36:16. > :36:19.think there is. If I got a fiver for everyone with their hand up I would

:36:20. > :36:24.be a rich man by the end of the programme. I will come to a woman.

:36:25. > :36:28.As you know, 16 and 17-year-olds did not have the right to vote in the

:36:29. > :36:31.referendum. I want to know what you have to say to young people who feel

:36:32. > :36:34.this decision was made for them and how you intend to engage them.

:36:35. > :36:40.APPLAUSE I would say 16 and 17-year-old is

:36:41. > :36:44.absolutely should have had the right to vote in this election. I would

:36:45. > :36:48.extend that right in all referendums and elections to 16 and

:36:49. > :36:52.17-year-olds. We might have seen a different result if we had done

:36:53. > :36:55.that. I do not think it is anti-democratic to say, let's get to

:36:56. > :36:58.the end of the process, when we know what is really on offer from the

:36:59. > :37:01.Tories, as opposed to what they promised, and at that point allow

:37:02. > :37:05.the British people to either rubber-stamp the deal, possibly at a

:37:06. > :37:10.general election, rather than a second referendum, or reject it. I

:37:11. > :37:16.think we will move on to another subject. Can I quickly answer?

:37:17. > :37:20.16-year-olds should have the right to vote. We tried to get it included

:37:21. > :37:23.but were unfortunately not successful. I think we should

:37:24. > :37:26.include in the negotiations the need for universities to maintain the

:37:27. > :37:30.closest possible relationship with European universities. There are

:37:31. > :37:34.already signs that that is in danger of breaking down, and I think all

:37:35. > :37:37.students should have access to the Rasmus project, so we continue that

:37:38. > :37:41.close, good relationship of young people from all over Europe coming

:37:42. > :37:44.together. That is something that is a plus for all of us. Thank you for

:37:45. > :37:53.your question. APPLAUSE

:37:54. > :38:00.Jeremy Corbyn supports scrapping Trident, Owen Smith supports talks

:38:01. > :38:06.with so-called Islamic State. Why should I take either of you

:38:07. > :38:12.seriously on security? Why should he take either of you seriously on

:38:13. > :38:19.security? Who wants to go on this first? I did not say we should have

:38:20. > :38:25.talks with Islamic State. I did not say that. What I said was that the

:38:26. > :38:29.chances were we would never be able to negotiate with Islamic State,

:38:30. > :38:32.that they are a death cult. At some point, for us to resolve this, we

:38:33. > :38:36.will need to get people round the table from Isis, you said.

:38:37. > :38:46.APPLAUSE You have not read the first part in

:38:47. > :38:49.which I said we would not be negotiating with Islamic State. In

:38:50. > :38:52.the second part of my answer, having been interrupted by the presenter, I

:38:53. > :38:55.went on to say that in my experience, as someone who worked on

:38:56. > :38:59.the peace process in Northern Ireland for three years, all peace

:39:00. > :39:04.process is eventually dealt with by all parties coming together, but

:39:05. > :39:06.only, of course, once all parties have pronounced violence and sued

:39:07. > :39:11.for peace and sought to be part of the peace process. Now, the chances

:39:12. > :39:15.are, everybody can see, Isis are never going to fall into that

:39:16. > :39:19.category, are they? They are never going to want to sue for peace. The

:39:20. > :39:24.chances are, therefore, they will need to be defeated militarily

:39:25. > :39:28.before there can be peace. But if, whatever Isis is, if Isis were to

:39:29. > :39:31.renounce violence, then of course you would want to make sure there

:39:32. > :39:34.was a peace process in the Middle East dealing with that, and we

:39:35. > :39:38.should all want that. But it was a slight misrepresentation of what I

:39:39. > :39:44.said. Do you agree with his position? I have all is said I would

:39:45. > :39:48.not negotiate with Isis. I want to see a political solution in Syria,

:39:49. > :39:51.which means involving all the countries in the region and the

:39:52. > :39:55.urgent negotiation of a rapid ceasefire to get aid in, urgent

:39:56. > :39:59.negotiation to support and help refugees, and a copper hence if plan

:40:00. > :39:59.to bring about peace across the whole region.

:40:00. > :40:10.APPLAUSE -- a comprehensive plan.

:40:11. > :40:17.The other part, you want to scrap Trident. Parliament voted

:40:18. > :40:22.effectively on replacement of the Trident nuclear weapons system and

:40:23. > :40:25.the submarines that go with it. To ask the question back, under what

:40:26. > :40:29.circumstances would anyone use a nuclear weapons? We know that if

:40:30. > :40:32.they nuclear weapons was ever used anywhere in the world, the

:40:33. > :40:35.consequences to the environment, the economy and human life are

:40:36. > :40:38.absolutely catastrophic. There are many in the military that do not

:40:39. > :40:43.want Trident replaced and would rather see the resources spent on

:40:44. > :40:49.more conventional issues, and dealing with issues of terrorism and

:40:50. > :40:53.cyber security. 187 countries around the world do not have nuclear

:40:54. > :40:56.weapons. We are signatories of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and

:40:57. > :41:00.I think we should adhere to our requirements under that, which is to

:41:01. > :41:11.take steps towards disarmament. APPLAUSE

:41:12. > :41:20.You have a crazed dictator in the Far East, currently strengthening

:41:21. > :41:23.his nuclear deterrent. The Chinese thought that he would weaken in a

:41:24. > :41:28.couple of years. Clearly they were wrong. We have the situation in

:41:29. > :41:34.Russia as well. You can't play games with this, Jeremy. Think about it.

:41:35. > :41:38.Nobody is playing games. We are serious about this and I am sure you

:41:39. > :41:43.are, to bring about a peaceful world. Do nuclear weapons help do

:41:44. > :41:51.that? Can we not put as much pressure on -- as possible on China

:41:52. > :41:53.about North Korea to try and bring about removing nuclear weapons from

:41:54. > :41:57.the Korean Peninsula, in the same way that we have managed to bring

:41:58. > :42:02.about nuclear weapons free zones in a number of areas, including Central

:42:03. > :42:06.Asia, Africa and Latin America, and now the discussions about an Arctic

:42:07. > :42:12.nuclear free zone? Surely there has to be a space to go forward on

:42:13. > :42:16.bringing about nuclear disarmament. We have managed to ban chemical

:42:17. > :42:19.weapons by agreement. We have managed to ban cluster bombs by

:42:20. > :42:24.agreement. Surely we can work really hard at that by giving meaning to

:42:25. > :42:27.what the Labour government of the 60s achieved, which was the nuclear

:42:28. > :42:35.Non-Proliferation Treaty. APPLAUSE

:42:36. > :42:40.I am someone who believes in multilateral disarmament. I want to

:42:41. > :42:45.get rid of nuclear weapons across the world. The difference between us

:42:46. > :42:48.is how we do it. Jeremy things we do it by unilaterally getting rid of

:42:49. > :42:51.hours and using moral persuasion to get America and Russia to get rid of

:42:52. > :42:59.theirs thereafter. I think that is naive. I don't think that is likely

:43:00. > :43:02.to happen. Other countries have pursued that course and got rid of

:43:03. > :43:06.their nuclear weapons and Russia and America held onto theirs. I also

:43:07. > :43:09.think we have to be incredible serious about our duty as a Labour

:43:10. > :43:14.government in waiting to keep this country safe. And the world feels a

:43:15. > :43:18.more dangerous place to me than it has done pretty much any point in my

:43:19. > :43:21.lifetime. I don't think now is the time for us to get rid of our

:43:22. > :43:25.nuclear deterrent. I think it is time for us to get Labour back into

:43:26. > :43:26.power in order to make the argument for multilateral disarmament across

:43:27. > :43:31.the world. APPLAUSE

:43:32. > :43:46.A number of other questions. I will take a scattering of them. The

:43:47. > :43:51.Jewish community is very worried about the state of the Labour Party

:43:52. > :43:57.at the moment. What is your plan to root out anti-Semitism? What do you

:43:58. > :44:00.mean? Most Jews do not feel safe on the streets, and there have been

:44:01. > :44:07.anti-Semitic reports in the Labour Party and they have done nothing to

:44:08. > :44:11.try and eliminate that. The young man is right, unfortunately. The

:44:12. > :44:15.Jewish community has traditionally looked to Labour to represented. We

:44:16. > :44:17.have been the farty they felt closest to their views.

:44:18. > :44:22.Unfortunately, right now it is only 8% of the Jewish community voting

:44:23. > :44:27.Labour and that is a big decline in recent months and years. We have

:44:28. > :44:30.seen anti-Semitism in our party. I don't think we have been strong

:44:31. > :44:33.enough in speaking out against that and it has diminished our capacity

:44:34. > :44:38.to speak out against it in the country. If it is not the Labour

:44:39. > :44:41.Party is speaking against racism and anti-Semitism and being heard in

:44:42. > :44:44.Britain, nobody else will do it. The answer has to be that we have to

:44:45. > :44:49.have zero tolerance for it in the Labour Party. We have to make sure

:44:50. > :44:53.that anybody found guilty of anti-Semitism or any racism has no

:44:54. > :44:57.place in the Labour Party. Any difference between you two on this?

:44:58. > :45:03.Yes, Jeremy has not been strong enough in speaking out about it. The

:45:04. > :45:06.report from Shami Chakrabarti is not viewed by the Jewish community as

:45:07. > :45:11.being adequate, is not thought to have taken the issue seriously, and

:45:12. > :45:13.I think we need a new review and a much more detailed, more

:45:14. > :45:14.high-powered review to look at the problem we have in Labour and to

:45:15. > :45:23.deal with it. When I became leader I understood a

:45:24. > :45:28.number of people had been suspended from the party before I became

:45:29. > :45:31.leader. I received reports of anti-Semitic remarks and behaviour

:45:32. > :45:34.at certain party events and I am well aware of the rise of

:45:35. > :45:40.anti-Semitism across Britain and Europe. The first point,

:45:41. > :45:52.anti-Semitism is absolutely and totally unacceptable anywhere in our

:45:53. > :45:57.society, and our party. The second point, I did ask Shami Chakrabati,

:45:58. > :46:01.the former director of Liberty to undertake an investigation, and I

:46:02. > :46:04.asked her to do it quickly so I could be in a position to put a

:46:05. > :46:10.statement to the national executive and put proposals to the conference

:46:11. > :46:14.to deal with issues of suspension and anti-Semitism in the party. We

:46:15. > :46:19.launched that report, and it obviously should be subject to

:46:20. > :46:23.review at a later stage to see how it's getting on. We have to say to

:46:24. > :46:28.everybody in the Labour Party, this is a safe place to be. It's a

:46:29. > :46:33.welcoming party to be, of people of all faiths, of all religions, to

:46:34. > :46:40.come to our party and work together to achieve the kind of social

:46:41. > :46:48.justice... APPLAUSE Your own Labour MP Ruth Smeaton said

:46:49. > :46:53.that you failed to intervene, and it was final proof when she was heckled

:46:54. > :46:57.at the meeting, final proof for me that you are unfit to lead and a

:46:58. > :47:02.Labour Party under your stewardship cannot be a safe space for British

:47:03. > :47:07.Jews. I'm very disappointed Ruth would say that. She was subject to

:47:08. > :47:12.some appalling abuse earlier this week and last weekend. I send my

:47:13. > :47:17.support, sympathy and solidarity to her, as I would anybody is subject

:47:18. > :47:26.to that kind of abuse. I do not accept any kind of racist abuse in

:47:27. > :47:29.any form or forum. She has been subject to abuse and Ruth is

:47:30. > :47:34.currently being protected by the police, so serious is the abuse she

:47:35. > :47:38.has been subjected to. The point she makes and the point other members of

:47:39. > :47:42.the Jewish community have made, under Jeremy's leadership, we have

:47:43. > :47:46.seen people coming into the Labour Party from the hard left of

:47:47. > :47:51.politics, bringing anti-Semitic attitudes into the party. That is

:47:52. > :47:56.not acceptable. Who are you talking about? I think there are people on

:47:57. > :48:03.the far left flooding into the Labour Party. That's their word not

:48:04. > :48:06.mine. The AWL, the Alliance of workers liberty, said a couple of

:48:07. > :48:10.weeks ago that they would flood into the Labour Party. Other people from

:48:11. > :48:20.hard left groups have come into Labour. I saw a tweet recently from

:48:21. > :48:24.Jeremy's... Purporting to be from Jeremy's team to a hard left group

:48:25. > :48:27.saying that you are welcome to come to Jeremy's rallies, just leave the

:48:28. > :48:32.flags and banners at home. The reason for that, we have seen some

:48:33. > :48:36.of those flags and banners at some of Jeremy's rallies. Unfortunately,

:48:37. > :48:41.some of those people are bringing a attitude into the party from the

:48:42. > :48:44.hard left. When you say the hard left, the Labour Party as a

:48:45. > :48:52.left-wing party. Are you saying these people shouldn't be allowed

:48:53. > :48:57.in? People coming in from the AWL and SWP, these people who have not

:48:58. > :49:06.been prescribed as not being members of the Labour Party, not being able

:49:07. > :49:12.to join. Some of the ways people are trying to get into the party,

:49:13. > :49:17.advocating Jeremy. Are you saying he's allowing it or advocating it? I

:49:18. > :49:25.think some people around Jeremy are absolutely encouraging it and that

:49:26. > :49:29.there is no doubt. I'm sure we can agree on two things. Firstly, that

:49:30. > :49:34.all of us together are going to make sure that we defeat any aspects of

:49:35. > :49:39.anti-Semitism within our party and society. On that I'm sure we are

:49:40. > :49:44.absolutely agreed, yes? We are agreed but I'm not sure you are

:49:45. > :49:48.entirely committed to it. Owen, that is a completely unfair way of saying

:49:49. > :49:54.it. I have spent my life opposing racism in any form, as have you.

:49:55. > :50:01.APPLAUSE I stand here, and many people on the

:50:02. > :50:07.left... Many people on the hard left of our party who have been alongside

:50:08. > :50:19.you over many years do associate anti-Zionist, anti-imperialist,

:50:20. > :50:23.antique anti-Israel perspective. I don't think you have been strong

:50:24. > :50:27.enough in speaking out against them and distancing yourself. We are all

:50:28. > :50:32.opposed to anti-Semitism and any form of racism in our society. That

:50:33. > :50:36.is what the core of our party is about. It was a statement put to the

:50:37. > :50:39.national executive that was unanimously agreed. Some of your

:50:40. > :50:43.Jewish Labour MPs do not feel the Labour Party under your leadership

:50:44. > :50:48.is a safe place. I support them in their right to their identity and

:50:49. > :50:51.what they say. I support them when they say they are abused, just as I

:50:52. > :50:57.would support anyone else who is abused. Just as you would. They

:50:58. > :51:02.don't feel that support. The young man who asked that in the first

:51:03. > :51:12.place? Jeremy says he's antiracism but he supports groups such as Hamas

:51:13. > :51:17.who call for the death of all Jews. No, I do not support Hamas, as you

:51:18. > :51:24.know. I have met people from Hamas. Do I agree with them? No. I think

:51:25. > :51:30.there is a chance of one day of getting a peace agreement between

:51:31. > :51:38.Palestine and Israel. I believe that and I want it to happen. Following

:51:39. > :51:41.on from the gentleman's question, a lot of members of the Muslim

:51:42. > :51:45.community also do not feel safe on the street. Islamophobia is an up

:51:46. > :51:51.and coming issue affecting many people in this country. Definitely.

:51:52. > :51:59.You say definitely, but you endorsed the Prevent strategy. Especially

:52:00. > :52:03.after many of the terrorist atrocities around the world. The

:52:04. > :52:08.backlash, the Muslim community, there are hate crimes against them.

:52:09. > :52:11.There are women who want to wear a headscarf who don't feel safe to

:52:12. > :52:16.leave the house. My question to you is, what will you do to make it

:52:17. > :52:20.safer for Muslims, as well as the Jewish community, apart from

:52:21. > :52:25.endorsing the Prevent programme, which virtually everybody is

:52:26. > :52:31.against. I hate to say it, but you are wrong. What I said was, when

:52:32. > :52:35.Prevent was started in 2005 under the Labour government, was designed

:52:36. > :52:40.to try to better integrate people who felt isolated in the Muslim

:52:41. > :52:45.community into wider society. It clearly hasn't worked. It wasn't

:52:46. > :52:49.working well under Labour, and has now been completely subverted by the

:52:50. > :52:54.Tories and is seen by many people as a racist project. So why do you want

:52:55. > :52:58.to increase the funding? I want to increase the funding in order to

:52:59. > :53:04.change it. How would you change it? By taking it back to what it was

:53:05. > :53:06.meant to be at the beginning, a scheme that was designed to

:53:07. > :53:12.integrate people. It has to be a scheme that was designed to mitigate

:53:13. > :53:16.against radicalism, and make sure the Muslim community feel fully

:53:17. > :53:20.integrated and celebrated in our community. All of us want that in

:53:21. > :53:27.our country. I'm certain it up I was leader of the Labour Party it would

:53:28. > :53:38.be my policy. We only have five minutes left. I would like to say

:53:39. > :53:46.something to him. Moving on from Prevent, don't you think we should

:53:47. > :53:49.actually build a much stronger sense of community cohesion among all

:53:50. > :53:55.faiths and groups, and generate a sense of antiracism in society. The

:53:56. > :54:00.danger is it isolates the Muslim community, targets young Muslims and

:54:01. > :54:05.expect teachers to report on them if they think they are going in a bad

:54:06. > :54:08.direction. Instead we should bring communities together. That bothers

:54:09. > :54:12.me about it. What bothers me as much is the growth of hate crime and

:54:13. > :54:16.racist violence on the streets of this country. We have to unite

:54:17. > :54:26.together to oppose all of that. APPLAUSE

:54:27. > :54:30.I want quick answers to this question. Our junior doctors right

:54:31. > :54:41.to go on strike and do you support them? It's a yes or no. They have

:54:42. > :54:47.every right to go on strike but I hope the government will, even now,

:54:48. > :54:51.engage in proper negotiations with the BMA, proper negotiations with

:54:52. > :54:55.junior doctors who are the lifeblood of our National Health Service. They

:54:56. > :55:04.do not want to withdraw labour, they want to support our NHS. The problem

:55:05. > :55:08.is Jeremy Hunt. The question wasn't do they have the right to strike,

:55:09. > :55:13.the question was are they right to strike? They felt they were forced

:55:14. > :55:16.into it. They have withdrawn the strike they planned because they

:55:17. > :55:20.hoped to get negotiations going and they are hoping the government will

:55:21. > :55:23.make some progress on it. I hope the government is listing because those

:55:24. > :55:30.doctors are crucial to our health service. Owen Smith? I would also

:55:31. > :55:34.defend their right to go on strike. I think the strike is potentially

:55:35. > :55:37.dangerous which is why they said they would call off the five-day

:55:38. > :55:42.strike they were planning. I completely understand the way they

:55:43. > :55:48.feel about our NHS. ?2.5 billion in debt in our country. A, maternity

:55:49. > :55:54.units closing down. The Tories undermining the NHS at every turn.

:55:55. > :55:58.That's why we need a Labour government to reinvest again and I

:55:59. > :56:07.would invest 60 billion over a five-year parliament. A lot of solid

:56:08. > :56:13.political questions. Eight an intriguing question from Suzy

:56:14. > :56:18.Robertson. My dad is a retired bus driver and was proud to receive an

:56:19. > :56:24.MBE from the Queen for services to trade unions. What's your view on

:56:25. > :56:28.the monarchy? Jeremy Corbyn. I'm glad he received an honour, well

:56:29. > :56:36.done to him, but I just don't think serving politicians should receive

:56:37. > :56:44.an honour. That was not the question. The question was, what's

:56:45. > :56:48.your view the monarchy? I'm I thought the view was on the honours?

:56:49. > :56:54.No, what's your view on the monarchy? I'm not campaigning on the

:56:55. > :57:00.issues of the monarchy, I'm campaigning on the issues of

:57:01. > :57:05.democracy in our society. I'm in favour of retaining the economy. I

:57:06. > :57:08.think the Queen does a great job and I'm sure your father was very

:57:09. > :57:16.pleased to get the award. Good on him. Patrick Morrell, very brief,

:57:17. > :57:20.please. How would you heal the divisions in the Labour Party, and

:57:21. > :57:24.as a winner would you offer a post to the winner, and as loser would

:57:25. > :57:31.you serve under the winner? I think we have that answered. I want the

:57:32. > :57:36.party to come together. I want us to end the election campaign, agree on

:57:37. > :57:39.our general political direction on austerity, social justice and those

:57:40. > :57:44.things we agree on. Of course I would be delighted to work with Owen

:57:45. > :57:48.Smith. Would you offer him a post? I've already done it. I think he

:57:49. > :57:57.should be president or chairman of the party. It doesn't exist! We end

:57:58. > :57:59.where we started. Our time is up, I'm afraid. Thank you both very much

:58:00. > :58:01.indeed. Question Time will be

:58:02. > :58:03.in Salisbury next week, with Education Secretary Justine

:58:04. > :58:05.Greening for the Conservatives, Labour's Shadow Chancellor John

:58:06. > :58:08.McDonnell, and Tony Blair's former Director

:58:09. > :58:13.of Communications Alastair Campbell. BOOING

:58:14. > :58:17.Hold it. The following week we'll be

:58:18. > :58:19.in Sutton Coldfield. If you would like to come along,

:58:20. > :58:22.go to our website, or call

:58:23. > :58:25.0330 123 99 88. Thanks to Jeremy Corbyn,

:58:26. > :58:30.Owen Smith, and the audience. From Oldham, until next

:58:31. > :58:34.Thursday, goodnight.