:00:00. > :00:00.Tonight, the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn,
:00:07. > :00:09.and the challenger for the leadership, Owen Smith,
:00:10. > :00:27.Our audience here is made up of Labour voters,
:00:28. > :00:31.evenly divided between supporters of the two candidates.
:00:32. > :00:33.There are also some voters from other parties ?
:00:34. > :00:39.As always on Question Time, neither contender knows any
:00:40. > :00:46.You can use Facebook and Twitter to comment on what you hear.
:00:47. > :00:49.Our hashtag is #bbcqt, or text 83981,
:00:50. > :00:57.and push the red button to see what others are saying.
:00:58. > :01:00.The question then is, who should lead the Labour Party?
:01:01. > :01:28.Please welcome Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith.
:01:29. > :01:37.Welcome to you both. Thank you very much. Our first question from
:01:38. > :01:42.Stephen Williams, please. Mr Corbyn has no support from his MPs, Mr
:01:43. > :01:49.Smith has no support from his party. Should they not stand aside and let
:01:50. > :01:55.a unity candidate unite the party? Step aside, both of you, and unite
:01:56. > :01:59.the party. There are no absolutes in this respect. Yes, there is huge
:02:00. > :02:03.support within the party a direction of this party in opposing austerity
:02:04. > :02:11.and campaigning for equality across Britain. Yes, a number of MPs do
:02:12. > :02:16.support me, a large number do not. I understand that. But when this
:02:17. > :02:19.election is over, if I am elected leader of the party, I hope the MPs
:02:20. > :02:23.will come together, we will once again have a Shadow Cabinet that is
:02:24. > :02:26.balanced and extended to all wings of the party, and we will get
:02:27. > :02:31.together to take on the Tories and what they are doing to education, to
:02:32. > :02:35.health, to housing, and creating greater inequality in this country.
:02:36. > :02:39.That is what I am offering. APPLAUSE
:02:40. > :02:45.Just before I come to Owen Smith, what makes you think 80% of the
:02:46. > :02:50.parliamentary party who abandoned you will suddenly come flooding
:02:51. > :02:54.back? I have been talking to lots of them. MPs talk a great deal. I think
:02:55. > :02:58.after the election and after conference is over, you will see the
:02:59. > :03:01.wish of MPs to reflect the wishes of party members all over the country,
:03:02. > :03:04.that there is a coming together in order to oppose this Tory
:03:05. > :03:09.government. APPLAUSE
:03:10. > :03:15.There are still three weeks to go in this contest and it's an incredibly
:03:16. > :03:21.important choice we face before us in the Labour Party. I'm incredibly
:03:22. > :03:25.proud that I got the support of 170 of our 220 MPs in Westminster, and
:03:26. > :03:28.that shows that I can command respect and support in the
:03:29. > :03:31.Parliamentary Labour Party, where we have to take the fight to the Tories
:03:32. > :03:36.and build the case for a future Labour government. I am also pleased
:03:37. > :03:40.that in the one vote we have had in the contest so far, in the GMB, one
:03:41. > :03:47.of the great trade unions in this country, I won. 40,000 people voted,
:03:48. > :03:52.26,000 voted for me, 17,004 Jeremy. I am incredibly confident that I can
:03:53. > :03:55.win this contest. I say to everybody in the Labour movement right now, it
:03:56. > :03:59.is in your hands, the choices with you as to whether we want to be with
:04:00. > :04:02.Jeremy and in opposition potentially for a generation, or start leading
:04:03. > :04:06.the way back to Labour being in power. That is where we need to be
:04:07. > :04:06.and that is what I intend to deliver.
:04:07. > :04:23.APPLAUSE Do you want to come back on that?
:04:24. > :04:27.What is your view? The squabbles have made the party look
:04:28. > :04:31.unelectable. Both of you look unelectable. You should stand aside
:04:32. > :04:34.and let somebody else, Harriet Harman, somebody like that,
:04:35. > :04:40.somebody, anybody, leads the party to victory. Otherwise, ten more
:04:41. > :04:47.years of Conservative government that nobody wants, especially not
:04:48. > :04:53.you two, I'm sure. So stand aside. Thanks for your vote of confidence,
:04:54. > :04:59.I really appreciate it. I just say this to you. Over the past year we
:05:00. > :05:03.have recruited 300,000 members to the Labour Party. That surely has to
:05:04. > :05:07.be something worth noticing. APPLAUSE
:05:08. > :05:11.80% of the constituency parties, the local parties that nominated,
:05:12. > :05:18.nominated me for the leadership. Now, you not think that we have the
:05:19. > :05:21.wherewithal or capabilities to do things, but I am sure you would
:05:22. > :05:25.understand that those people that have nominated us both think we can
:05:26. > :05:29.do the job, both want the party to succeed, and that very large body of
:05:30. > :05:34.members want to go doorknocking, campaigning and all that kind of
:05:35. > :05:38.thing. I think what you have had is a few weeks of incredibly negative
:05:39. > :05:43.press about the party because of the leadership election. Indeed, we have
:05:44. > :05:46.had a year of negative press about the party. I think after conference
:05:47. > :05:50.you will see something happening which will be that unity, to take on
:05:51. > :05:53.the Tories and what they are doing in this country. I really do believe
:05:54. > :05:56.that. APPLAUSE
:05:57. > :06:02.I admire Jeremy's optimism but I don't think that is what we will
:06:03. > :06:07.see. The truth is it is not just 300,000 new members we have seen. We
:06:08. > :06:12.have seen Labour going backwards, back at 26-27% in the polls. Right
:06:13. > :06:15.now, the chances are we would be out of power for a generation. If there
:06:16. > :06:21.were an election tomorrow, Labour would lose up to 60 seats. The
:06:22. > :06:25.entire reason I am standing in this campaign is in order to get Labour
:06:26. > :06:28.back to where it needs to be, taking on the Tories, really defending our
:06:29. > :06:32.record, standing up for what we believe in and presenting a credible
:06:33. > :06:36.alternative to the Tories. Instead of which, I think Jeremy is more
:06:37. > :06:40.satisfied with leading the Labour Party in opposition. I'm never going
:06:41. > :06:41.to be satisfied with that. I want to lead us back to government.
:06:42. > :06:51.APPLAUSE How will you lead better than he
:06:52. > :06:56.does? How will you unite the party? The first thing to do is to be a
:06:57. > :07:03.credible opposition. Today, for example, we have seen a 20% rise
:07:04. > :07:05.since last year in zero-hours contract, 1 million extra people
:07:06. > :07:09.announced today on waiting lists in the NHS. And the Tories doing
:07:10. > :07:13.something not even Margaret Thatcher dared to do, bringing back to tear
:07:14. > :07:18.education. Jeremy has not commented on any of these things. The Tories
:07:19. > :07:21.are running amok in this country right now and we in the Labour
:07:22. > :07:25.Party, all of us here, everybody right across this party, not just
:07:26. > :07:29.the Parliamentary Labour Party, we are all guilty of letting down not
:07:30. > :07:33.our party, the people we seek to serve, the people who need a Labour
:07:34. > :07:38.government to get those waiting lists down, to invest in the NHS,
:07:39. > :07:41.make sure we don't have grammar schools back. But we can't do any of
:07:42. > :07:49.that in opposition. We have to win to do it. It is not a dirty word, it
:07:50. > :07:57.is what we are about. I will go to you first. Up until the
:07:58. > :08:03.mass resignations that took place within the Labour Party, within the
:08:04. > :08:04.PLP, were we not ahead by a couple of percent?
:08:05. > :08:16.APPLAUSE Was that not the point at which we
:08:17. > :08:22.started falling backwards? No. Let me correct you, sir. You are wrong.
:08:23. > :08:27.In 89 polls, under Jeremy's leadership, we were behind in 85 of
:08:28. > :08:36.them. We were at level pegging in four. We are at a lower ebb in the
:08:37. > :08:43.polls than since 1982 when I was 12. We are a disaster. We were behind in
:08:44. > :08:48.85 polls in a row under Jeremy, before the PLP resigned. And we are
:08:49. > :08:56.further behind right now. You, sir, on the left. I would like to say to
:08:57. > :09:00.you, Jeremy, ignore some of the negative comments that are coming,
:09:01. > :09:04.because I have been a Labour Party supporter for a very long time. I
:09:05. > :09:08.walked up and down the street knocking on doors, and people love
:09:09. > :09:08.you. People want you to be the Prime Minister.
:09:09. > :09:16.APPLAUSE The reason they want you to be Prime
:09:17. > :09:20.Minister is because you care about them, they know you will fight for
:09:21. > :09:28.justice, fight for poverty, education, employment. He can make
:09:29. > :09:31.the speech! Well done. All right, we have heard from a staunch supporter
:09:32. > :09:36.of Jeremy Corbyn. I would like to hear from a staunch supporter of
:09:37. > :09:42.Owen Smith's campaign. Yes, you, sir. It is fair to say the Labour
:09:43. > :09:45.Party membership has gone up, but why did we get annihilated in
:09:46. > :09:51.Scotland behind the Tories bastion Mark what is your view about the
:09:52. > :09:54.Smith campaign? I think the Labour Party is in a sad situation because
:09:55. > :10:00.I can't same heart is beating on either side, to be honest. I think
:10:01. > :10:04.it is sad that we have booing when we oppose Jeremy, but I think Owen's
:10:05. > :10:07.campaign is more balanced. It is one thing to have principles and
:10:08. > :10:11.beliefs, but you have to sell it to the British people in our electoral
:10:12. > :10:12.system, and Scotland showed that you did not do that.
:10:13. > :10:20.APPLAUSE One of the reasons I am supporting
:10:21. > :10:23.Owen is that I believe the Parliamentary Labour Party is the
:10:24. > :10:30.most important thing to focus on. It is what makes us electable. But I
:10:31. > :10:33.have been on the committee of our young CLP group for a while and I
:10:34. > :10:37.have been so disappointed. The discourse has not been constructive,
:10:38. > :10:42.it has been divisive and abusive at times. I have this associated myself
:10:43. > :10:47.from it completely because it upsets me. You can hear it tonight with
:10:48. > :10:53.people booing. It is both sides but I have heard it mostly from Jeremy's
:10:54. > :10:57.side, and I think that is bad. It just upsets me when one party, and
:10:58. > :11:01.at the end of this I don't want people to split and leave. I have
:11:02. > :11:05.had members of 30 years' time they want to leave if one or the other
:11:06. > :11:10.wins. It is not right. We are one party and I think what is happening
:11:11. > :11:15.in general is disgraceful. APPLAUSE
:11:16. > :11:20.Jeremy, why have you not considered your core vote? You may have the
:11:21. > :11:27.support of the membership but not of the core vote, which is what counts
:11:28. > :11:31.and wins a general election. Jeremy Corbyn. First, on the point is taken
:11:32. > :11:34.from the back, there should be no abuse, there should be no online
:11:35. > :11:39.abuse, no Twitter abuse, there should not be abuse in political
:11:40. > :11:43.debate. I never make personal attacks on anybody, that is not the
:11:44. > :11:49.way I conduct myself, and I want other people to do the same. Yes,
:11:50. > :11:54.the party has to come together. Yes, after this election is over at the
:11:55. > :11:59.result will be announced and from that point on we have to be a strong
:12:00. > :12:02.campaigning party. We were more or less level pegging with the Tories
:12:03. > :12:08.until there was this series of resignations from the Shadow
:12:09. > :12:13.Cabinet. And I hope that Owen or understand that after this election
:12:14. > :12:16.there has to be a coming together, and that all numbers of the
:12:17. > :12:19.Parliamentary Labour Party will be prepared to come together to achieve
:12:20. > :12:24.that. Your point about the core vote, the core vote is people who
:12:25. > :12:29.have consistently voted Labour for very many years. It is also a very
:12:30. > :12:32.large number of people who are intrinsically inclined towards
:12:33. > :12:36.Labour but have not bothered to vote in the past. Only 47% of young
:12:37. > :12:42.people voted in the last general election. There is an energising of
:12:43. > :12:46.politics over the past year. Many of those that have joined the party,
:12:47. > :12:49.many of those that are active in local groups are very well connected
:12:50. > :12:55.with colleges, universities, young people at work. I tell you this,
:12:56. > :12:58.after this leadership is over there will be that energising in politics,
:12:59. > :13:03.which will challenge the Tories. What are the Tories offering? They
:13:04. > :13:07.are offering greater inequality, they are offering continuation of
:13:08. > :13:12.low wages, and in many cases zero-hours contracts. They are
:13:13. > :13:16.offering selectivity in education rather than universality, which is
:13:17. > :13:19.something I believe in. They are not offering anything that will solve
:13:20. > :13:24.the housing crisis people face across this country. A Labour
:13:25. > :13:28.opposition offering investment in a growing economy, a Labour opposition
:13:29. > :13:32.offering to invest to drive down begin qualities in Britain and
:13:33. > :13:35.invest in a growing economy with sustainable jobs, I think that is
:13:36. > :13:37.something that is very attractive and will bring an awful lot of
:13:38. > :13:43.people over to Labour. APPLAUSE
:13:44. > :13:50.One more question about the future after this thing is over, this
:13:51. > :13:56.election is decided. Maureen Kelly has a question. If Jeremy wins the
:13:57. > :14:02.contest, will it inevitably lead to a split in the party? As many have
:14:03. > :14:08.suggested, Owen Smith. What do you think? I hope and pray that it does
:14:09. > :14:14.not. One of the reasons I am running is to stop the split. The question
:14:15. > :14:20.was, will it inevitably lead to it? How will it be avoided. Jeremy, or
:14:21. > :14:25.I, whoever wins, needs to working credibly hard to heal the rifts. You
:14:26. > :14:29.will work with him if he wins? I have already said I will happily
:14:30. > :14:35.vote Labour. You will join the Shadow Cabinet if he wins? I have
:14:36. > :14:39.said I could not serve Jeremy with integrity because I don't agree can
:14:40. > :14:45.lead us to victory. So the division is already there. Would you urge the
:14:46. > :14:48.80% to come behind Jeremy, or should they stay to one side and let them
:14:49. > :14:55.get on with it because he is going to lose? It is for others to decide.
:14:56. > :14:58.But you must have a view. My view is that I would not serve in Jeremy's
:14:59. > :15:02.Shadow Cabinet because I could not do that with integrity. But that is
:15:03. > :15:06.not to split the party because I will always be Labour. I am never
:15:07. > :15:12.going to leave the Labour Party, I will be Labour until the day I die.
:15:13. > :15:15.I have worried because this is at the heart of it. It is about
:15:16. > :15:20.reality. Jeremy says we were ahead in the polls. We were not. He says
:15:21. > :15:24.we are doing OK in Scotland and we are not, having gone from second to
:15:25. > :15:27.third, behind the Tories. And he says he can win by getting voters to
:15:28. > :15:31.come back and vote Labour when all of the numbers tell us everybody who
:15:32. > :15:35.has ever knocked on a door in this country knows that we will not win
:15:36. > :15:39.by getting nonvoters. The way we win this by getting people who voted
:15:40. > :15:41.Tory to vote Labour at the next election and Jeremy is not going to
:15:42. > :15:46.persuade them. APPLAUSE
:15:47. > :15:53.A brief point from you at the front set. I think Alyn Smith has answered
:15:54. > :16:00.the question. He's open to a party splitting. Why would a Labour Party
:16:01. > :16:06.member not serve under Jeremy Corbyn? If he was a true labour
:16:07. > :16:13.member, he would serve under any Labour leader. As Jeremy has done.
:16:14. > :16:18.You are in the wrong party. That's the sort of abuse we have been
:16:19. > :16:24.subjected to in this campaign. I'm a Labour man and have been Labour all
:16:25. > :16:29.my life. I will always be Labour. How come you won't serve under him?
:16:30. > :16:33.The crucial moment when I decided I would stand was when John McDonnell
:16:34. > :16:37.said to me that he was prepared to see the party split in order to
:16:38. > :16:42.further his project. That's the moment I realised we needed to stand
:16:43. > :16:46.up and be counted and make sure we didn't split the party. Jeremy
:16:47. > :16:51.Corbyn, can you comment on what John McDonnell said? We had a discussion
:16:52. > :16:56.in my office in which Owen was present and Owen generously offered
:16:57. > :16:59.me unopposed election to a nonexistent job that wasn't his gift
:17:00. > :17:08.to give if I resigned from the party. That's a different
:17:09. > :17:15.conversation, Jeremy. It was really generous of you, Owen. You and I
:17:16. > :17:19.managed to work together quite well on issues surrounding the DWP.
:17:20. > :17:24.Indeed, we had a major victory on that. All of us had that major
:17:25. > :17:29.victory, which was very good. 3 million families didn't lose ?1000
:17:30. > :17:33.this year because of that victory we managed to impose in the House of
:17:34. > :17:37.Lords and our opposition in the House of Commons. That was good,
:17:38. > :17:40.surely. I don't fully understand what the problem is. You obviously
:17:41. > :17:48.have enormous talents so why can't we work together? I've said it
:17:49. > :17:53.several times, Jeremy. And I will say it again to you. If I felt you
:17:54. > :17:58.were going to lead Labour back to power then I would work with you in
:17:59. > :18:03.the Shadow Cabinet. But I feel you are satisfied to lead us in
:18:04. > :18:07.opposition. We need a leader who is determined to lead Labour back into
:18:08. > :18:10.government. I don't think you can do that, and I don't think you think
:18:11. > :18:14.you can do it. I think that's a desperate shame for this country
:18:15. > :18:22.because we need a Labour government to stop zero hours contracts, to
:18:23. > :18:25.invest in the NHS and ensure we have decent housing. The only way we will
:18:26. > :18:34.achieve all those things we want is if we are in government. Why do you
:18:35. > :18:39.say that Mr Corbyn doesn't think he can do it? Why is he bothering to
:18:40. > :18:43.stand for leadership again? I saw him be asked five times on Channel 4
:18:44. > :18:47.if you really wanted to be Prime Minister and he didn't answer it.
:18:48. > :18:51.I've seen him in the Shadow Cabinet opposite me in the last several
:18:52. > :18:55.months offering scant leadership, not discussing the DWP issues. The
:18:56. > :19:01.truth is, Jeremy and I worked together for some extent, but we had
:19:02. > :19:06.one meeting in 11 months. I asked to meet on several occasions and he
:19:07. > :19:13.wasn't available. A couple more points on this before moving onto
:19:14. > :19:19.particular policies. Good evening, Owen. Could you explain to me a
:19:20. > :19:22.specific policy, a Labour policy, that you would ASBO is too which is
:19:23. > :19:33.completely and utterly different to Jeremy? -- you would espouse two. I
:19:34. > :19:37.would want to remain in the European Union. Jeremy has wanted to leave
:19:38. > :19:41.for 45 years. I don't believe we should trigger article 50, Jeremy
:19:42. > :19:45.says we should trigger it immediately. I think we should be
:19:46. > :19:51.members of the single market, even if we leave, and Jeremy disagrees, a
:19:52. > :19:57.fundamental difference. That takes us to a question we have on this
:19:58. > :20:02.exact subject from Robert Barnes. Should there be a second referendum
:20:03. > :20:14.on EU membership or the terms of our Brexit negotiations? That's the
:20:15. > :20:19.proposal Owen Smith put. I think we have to negotiate with the European
:20:20. > :20:23.Union on the terms of exit. We have to recognise, regrettable as they
:20:24. > :20:27.are, the results of the referendum. We have to make sure we have access
:20:28. > :20:32.to European markets for manufactured goods. We have to make sure we have
:20:33. > :20:36.protection of workers and consumer rights, paternity and maternity
:20:37. > :20:39.leave, and other environmental protection is gained through
:20:40. > :20:44.membership of the European Union. And we have to have that positive
:20:45. > :20:51.relationship with Europe meaning the ability to sell our goods. Do you
:20:52. > :20:53.want to remain in the single market if possible? A single market if
:20:54. > :20:57.possible, and I think it probably is, that means we would have to be
:20:58. > :21:01.prepared to negotiate trade relations with other countries, but
:21:02. > :21:04.crucially 70% of our exports go to Europe already and it makes a lot of
:21:05. > :21:11.sense to get on with negotiating now. I also hope continued
:21:12. > :21:16.membership of the European investment bank, I think that's
:21:17. > :21:21.important. In other trade treaties, such as with the United States, I'm
:21:22. > :21:27.very sceptical of the transatlantic trade investment partnership and the
:21:28. > :21:32.agenda that goes with that. APPLAUSE I would want us to develop trade
:21:33. > :21:37.relations that empower democratic government, don't undermine it and
:21:38. > :21:40.give power to global corporations as I believe TTIP would do. What is
:21:41. > :21:46.your belief on controlling immigration, where some Labour
:21:47. > :21:52.voters were uncertain on what you thought. Non-European immigration is
:21:53. > :21:57.already subject to a great deal of control. EU free movement of people
:21:58. > :22:02.is an issue that comes directly with market access. The points I was
:22:03. > :22:06.making throughout the referendum campaign was that we should sign the
:22:07. > :22:10.amendments for the workers directive to prevent the undercutting of wages
:22:11. > :22:17.by groups of workers brought in from different countries to work in
:22:18. > :22:20.Britain, and that we should try to protect them and their conditions.
:22:21. > :22:24.But communities that have been greatly affected by an influx of
:22:25. > :22:29.people coming into work should be funded properly through a migrant
:22:30. > :22:33.impact fund. In fact, Gordon Brown's government introduced that but the
:22:34. > :22:39.Tories abolished it, so we should have support for those communities.
:22:40. > :22:44.The country voted out. Owen Smith says it's not the end of the story.
:22:45. > :22:48.I say we have to know what Brexit means. Theresa May says Brexit means
:22:49. > :22:54.a Brexit but this week shows the Tories don't have a clue. David
:22:55. > :22:58.Davis says we are leaving the single market, as Jeremy has agreed.
:22:59. > :23:03.Theresa May says it doesn't. Earlier it meant ?350 million per week for
:23:04. > :23:08.the NHS and that was a lie. They said there would be points-based
:23:09. > :23:12.immigration. They said we would have trade deals done and dusted with
:23:13. > :23:15.Australia and America in a matter of months and those countries say it
:23:16. > :23:19.could be years before we have those deals in place. My simple message to
:23:20. > :23:25.the Labour movement, we have to stand up to the Tories, oppose them
:23:26. > :23:27.properly, hold them to account, negotiate hard alongside them and
:23:28. > :23:31.determine what Brexit will really mean. If it means worse living
:23:32. > :23:37.standards for the British people, less money for the NHS, less
:23:38. > :23:40.workers' rights, less environmental protection, we should either have a
:23:41. > :23:45.general election with Labour arguing we should go back in, or potentially
:23:46. > :23:49.a second referendum and test the actual deal, not what we were
:23:50. > :23:54.promised, which was clearly a lie, but what the Tories are actually
:23:55. > :23:59.going to deliver. I feel they will use these excuses. Nigel Lawson said
:24:00. > :24:02.this week that they would finish Thatcher's revolution. That's what
:24:03. > :24:07.they have in mind and it would be an ugly, hard Brexit for Britain and
:24:08. > :24:13.places like Oldham would suffer. Unless I misunderstood, you said you
:24:14. > :24:16.wanted Labour to go into the next election saying the party policy
:24:17. > :24:22.would be to ignore the Brexit vote and go back into the EU Busted
:24:23. > :24:31.exactly. We need to find out what it is. -- into the EU? Exactly. We
:24:32. > :24:36.don't know where we are going. You do know where you're going, you want
:24:37. > :24:39.to go back in! I hope we are. I think we should be strong about that
:24:40. > :24:45.because I've always believed that the best things about the European
:24:46. > :24:48.Union, the ability to safeguard workers' rights... Did you vote for
:24:49. > :24:55.the referendum to happen? We all voted for it. And you don't accept
:24:56. > :25:01.the result? My view is we don't know what we were voting for. We were
:25:02. > :25:07.lied to about 350 million, Theresa May says Brexit means Brexit. We
:25:08. > :25:11.shouldn't give them a blank cheque on this. Jeremy is giving them a
:25:12. > :25:15.free ride. I say to hold them to account and find out what is really
:25:16. > :25:18.on offer. If it's worse for the people of Oldham then of course
:25:19. > :25:22.Labour should put in a manifesto that we would improve the
:25:23. > :25:31.livelihoods of the people of Oldham. And if that means voting to go back
:25:32. > :25:35.into the EU? Yes we should. The referendum has delivered a decision.
:25:36. > :25:39.It might not be the decision we wanted, and I think it's up to
:25:40. > :25:42.Parliament to work with that. I want to protect the conditions we have
:25:43. > :25:46.gained in Europe. I want market access within Europe, and one of the
:25:47. > :25:52.points I made during the campaign was that the EU needed to reform, it
:25:53. > :26:00.was proposing privatisation across the continent, and was bringing in
:26:01. > :26:03.unpleasant ideas about how national governments should run their
:26:04. > :26:08.economies. I think we need to negotiate a good trading arrangement
:26:09. > :26:14.with Europe, protect those conditions and give us market
:26:15. > :26:17.access. Let's go back to Robert Barnes who asked the question.
:26:18. > :26:24.What's your view of what you've heard? I totally disagree with Owen
:26:25. > :26:27.Smith. More than 17 million people voted to leave the European Union,
:26:28. > :26:31.and if you were leader the Labour Party would want to take is back in.
:26:32. > :26:38.That isn't what 17 million people voted for. We may not know the terms
:26:39. > :26:44.of the negotiation, but what would you do if the remain side had won
:26:45. > :26:48.and the leave side wanted a second referendum. It's hypocritical to say
:26:49. > :26:55.you want a second referendum. The country wanted out. Abide by that.
:26:56. > :27:01.The lady up there. To Jeremy, it's fine saying you were there debating
:27:02. > :27:10.Brexit during the referendum, but we didn't hear that on the doorstep
:27:11. > :27:14.from you at all. APPLAUSE What do you mean? That the
:27:15. > :27:19.referendum could have been won if he had spoken out more? I think so, to
:27:20. > :27:26.get those extra votes, definitely. We put the case to remain and
:27:27. > :27:30.reform. We didn't win the referendum, obviously. We have to
:27:31. > :27:37.work with the results of it. I did campaign for Remain. I campaigned to
:27:38. > :27:45.remain and reform the European Union. 65%, on opinion polls, of all
:27:46. > :27:56.Labour voters, voted to remain. How did 45% of Labour voters think the
:27:57. > :28:11.party backed Brexit? 45? 45% thought the party Labour act Brexit. --
:28:12. > :28:15.backed Brexit. The attempt to impose privatisation on the railway
:28:16. > :28:18.services across Europe... I don't think the European Union is perfect.
:28:19. > :28:23.I don't think anybody thinks the European Union is perfect. What
:28:24. > :28:29.about her argument, it's not the moment to be saying those things,
:28:30. > :28:33.but stay in, loudly and clearly. If we said everything in European Union
:28:34. > :28:39.was perfect I suspect we would have got less votes to remain than the
:28:40. > :28:46.other way round. The man in the blue shirt. I voted Ukip in the last two
:28:47. > :28:50.elections. If the Labour Party is going to get anywhere it's got to
:28:51. > :28:55.get those Ukip votes back to itself. I'm faced with a situation as a
:28:56. > :28:59.voter where we have a gentleman here, should he managed to overcome
:29:00. > :29:07.the democratically elected leader of the Labour Party, he will then
:29:08. > :29:13.attempt to overcome the decisions of the country that we should leave the
:29:14. > :29:20.European Union. Where are we supposed to take our vote? And where
:29:21. > :29:23.is our opposition? We have Theresa May now saying we don't want a
:29:24. > :29:28.points system for immigration. Yes we do, that's what we voted for. She
:29:29. > :29:32.said that's not what people want, but it's what the people do want.
:29:33. > :29:36.Why isn't the opposition screaming this? They are hiding behind wanting
:29:37. > :29:41.to go back into the European Union. That's not what we want and not what
:29:42. > :29:45.we voted for. May I put a point to you, thank you for your question. Do
:29:46. > :29:50.you think we should have an effective trading relationship with
:29:51. > :29:53.Europe? Yes we should. We had that before we joined the European Union.
:29:54. > :29:58.We had arrangements with America as well. It took three days to send
:29:59. > :30:05.troops to die for America, and they say it will take nine years to come
:30:06. > :30:08.up with a trade deal. Where are our politicians? We've had the European
:30:09. > :30:09.Union for so long that you forgotten how to make decisions and represent
:30:10. > :30:21.your country. What made you vote Ukip and leave
:30:22. > :30:29.Labour? I simply wanted out of the European Union. You did say you
:30:30. > :30:40.voted Labour before? Yes, I always vote. I am the older generation.
:30:41. > :30:44.Don't you agree there has to be an effective trading relationship with
:30:45. > :30:49.Europe, and don't you recognise that 2 million British people also live
:30:50. > :30:52.in other parts of Europe? So we have two except that there is a very
:30:53. > :30:58.close, often personal relationship with twin families here and families
:30:59. > :31:02.all across Europe. And a lot of European National is that live in
:31:03. > :31:10.this country work extremely hard and help to run our health and education
:31:11. > :31:15.service and many other services. Do you want complete freedom of
:31:16. > :31:20.movement? I supported freedom of movement but I was and still am
:31:21. > :31:23.concerned about the level of undercutting of wages. Look at
:31:24. > :31:27.Sports Direct in places like that. There has to be much tougher Labour
:31:28. > :31:31.regulations in Britain and there has to be an end to undercutting across
:31:32. > :31:36.Europe where they try and destroy industrywide agreements. I
:31:37. > :31:40.understand, but that is a different point. Is what you are saying that
:31:41. > :31:43.if we had proper minimum wage here, there would be less of a drag of
:31:44. > :31:48.people coming into Britain and you want about, or you want open
:31:49. > :31:52.borders? It will also have to be better wages and conditions in other
:31:53. > :31:57.parts of Europe. Isn't this pie in the sky, compared with the immediate
:31:58. > :32:03.possibility of reducing immigration, which you know was not popular among
:32:04. > :32:06.Labour voters? I ask people to be realistic about what European
:32:07. > :32:10.workers actually do in Britain, the number that help to run our vital
:32:11. > :32:16.services, and the effects on 2 million British people living in
:32:17. > :32:19.other parts of Europe. Owen Smith. I think the question revealed what I
:32:20. > :32:22.was saying, which is that we don't know what we really voted for
:32:23. > :32:27.because we do not have the points waste system you were talking about,
:32:28. > :32:30.we do not have the extra money for the NHS. And I remain concerned that
:32:31. > :32:35.the Tories will use this as an excuse to make us worse off as
:32:36. > :32:39.working people in this country. And I don't think the Labour Party
:32:40. > :32:44.should be Sangwan about that. Even if people voted to leave, I think
:32:45. > :32:47.they voted with an idea of what Britain would look like after we
:32:48. > :32:50.left. At the moment that is not clear, and I am very clear that the
:32:51. > :32:55.Labour Party should be being a much more powerful opposition. How can we
:32:56. > :32:58.go through two Prime Minister's Questions and not mention Brexit,
:32:59. > :33:03.the biggest issue that has faced our country in generations, and the
:33:04. > :33:06.biggest illustration that we, our leader right now, is not holding
:33:07. > :33:09.Theresa May and the Tories to account.
:33:10. > :33:17.APPLAUSE A couple of quick points and then we
:33:18. > :33:20.will move on. The EU referendum seems to have proven that the core
:33:21. > :33:25.voting block of the Labour Party, the working class, the Everyman that
:33:26. > :33:31.Labour is supposed to represent, want something else. They want Ukip,
:33:32. > :33:35.Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, they want to nationalism, not
:33:36. > :33:39.immigration. How is Labour going to change? Are we going to stick to
:33:40. > :33:44.these progressive values, or are we going to reflect the values that
:33:45. > :33:50.people seem to want? I think what they want is investment. Can you
:33:51. > :33:58.answer his definition? Is he right or wrong? I am not sure the answer
:33:59. > :34:02.is nationalism. In many areas there have been traditional Labour voters.
:34:03. > :34:06.You can overlay a map and see where the biggest effect of austerity have
:34:07. > :34:10.been, the biggest appeal of Ukip has been, the biggest Brexit vote has
:34:11. > :34:14.been, the biggest loss of industrial jobs. The answer to dealing with
:34:15. > :34:17.those things is for a Labour government to invest more, which is
:34:18. > :34:22.why I have talked about the need for a new deal, ?200 billion worth of
:34:23. > :34:26.borrowing to invest in those areas. If we invest in them, some of the
:34:27. > :34:31.pressures people feel and the concerns they have about immigration
:34:32. > :34:35.could be dealt with and dissipated. Don't you think you are insulting
:34:36. > :34:38.the intelligence of voters, saying they have been hoodwinked? If you
:34:39. > :34:46.say that, everyone who votes Conservative is hoodwinked, too.
:34:47. > :34:50.They were clearly hoodwinked about 350 million quid for the NHS because
:34:51. > :34:56.that is not coming. Can you restate your point to Jeremy Corbyn? Calling
:34:57. > :35:01.for a second referendum seems quite hypocritical. I am in favour of
:35:02. > :35:06.Remain, in fact I'm leaning towards Owen Smith because he wants to
:35:07. > :35:09.remain in the European Union. But the idea that democracy should be
:35:10. > :35:11.done again because we did not like the result is wrong and doesn't make
:35:12. > :35:18.sense. APPLAUSE
:35:19. > :35:24.It is an advisory referendum. You can ignore it, or you can accept the
:35:25. > :35:27.results. Ignoring it is an option but don't go through the facade of a
:35:28. > :35:34.second referendum. That does not make sense. I am not calling for a
:35:35. > :35:39.second referendum. Surely, the issue is security for people, security of
:35:40. > :35:43.work, security of education, security of a growing economy, which
:35:44. > :35:49.comes about if Labour is able to offer an alternative which is about
:35:50. > :35:52.investment, is about collecting the uncollected taxes, about building
:35:53. > :35:55.that houses that are necessary, rather than subsidising the private
:35:56. > :35:59.rented market. All those kind of issues are surely those that are
:36:00. > :36:04.actually very popular, not just with people in a difficult situation, but
:36:05. > :36:08.with everyone across the country who wants to live in a country of social
:36:09. > :36:15.justice rather than division. Isn't there some support for that idea? I
:36:16. > :36:19.think there is. If I got a fiver for everyone with their hand up I would
:36:20. > :36:24.be a rich man by the end of the programme. I will come to a woman.
:36:25. > :36:28.As you know, 16 and 17-year-olds did not have the right to vote in the
:36:29. > :36:31.referendum. I want to know what you have to say to young people who feel
:36:32. > :36:34.this decision was made for them and how you intend to engage them.
:36:35. > :36:40.APPLAUSE I would say 16 and 17-year-old is
:36:41. > :36:44.absolutely should have had the right to vote in this election. I would
:36:45. > :36:48.extend that right in all referendums and elections to 16 and
:36:49. > :36:52.17-year-olds. We might have seen a different result if we had done
:36:53. > :36:55.that. I do not think it is anti-democratic to say, let's get to
:36:56. > :36:58.the end of the process, when we know what is really on offer from the
:36:59. > :37:01.Tories, as opposed to what they promised, and at that point allow
:37:02. > :37:05.the British people to either rubber-stamp the deal, possibly at a
:37:06. > :37:10.general election, rather than a second referendum, or reject it. I
:37:11. > :37:16.think we will move on to another subject. Can I quickly answer?
:37:17. > :37:20.16-year-olds should have the right to vote. We tried to get it included
:37:21. > :37:23.but were unfortunately not successful. I think we should
:37:24. > :37:26.include in the negotiations the need for universities to maintain the
:37:27. > :37:30.closest possible relationship with European universities. There are
:37:31. > :37:34.already signs that that is in danger of breaking down, and I think all
:37:35. > :37:37.students should have access to the Rasmus project, so we continue that
:37:38. > :37:41.close, good relationship of young people from all over Europe coming
:37:42. > :37:44.together. That is something that is a plus for all of us. Thank you for
:37:45. > :37:53.your question. APPLAUSE
:37:54. > :38:00.Jeremy Corbyn supports scrapping Trident, Owen Smith supports talks
:38:01. > :38:06.with so-called Islamic State. Why should I take either of you
:38:07. > :38:12.seriously on security? Why should he take either of you seriously on
:38:13. > :38:19.security? Who wants to go on this first? I did not say we should have
:38:20. > :38:25.talks with Islamic State. I did not say that. What I said was that the
:38:26. > :38:29.chances were we would never be able to negotiate with Islamic State,
:38:30. > :38:32.that they are a death cult. At some point, for us to resolve this, we
:38:33. > :38:36.will need to get people round the table from Isis, you said.
:38:37. > :38:46.APPLAUSE You have not read the first part in
:38:47. > :38:49.which I said we would not be negotiating with Islamic State. In
:38:50. > :38:52.the second part of my answer, having been interrupted by the presenter, I
:38:53. > :38:55.went on to say that in my experience, as someone who worked on
:38:56. > :38:59.the peace process in Northern Ireland for three years, all peace
:39:00. > :39:04.process is eventually dealt with by all parties coming together, but
:39:05. > :39:06.only, of course, once all parties have pronounced violence and sued
:39:07. > :39:11.for peace and sought to be part of the peace process. Now, the chances
:39:12. > :39:15.are, everybody can see, Isis are never going to fall into that
:39:16. > :39:19.category, are they? They are never going to want to sue for peace. The
:39:20. > :39:24.chances are, therefore, they will need to be defeated militarily
:39:25. > :39:28.before there can be peace. But if, whatever Isis is, if Isis were to
:39:29. > :39:31.renounce violence, then of course you would want to make sure there
:39:32. > :39:34.was a peace process in the Middle East dealing with that, and we
:39:35. > :39:38.should all want that. But it was a slight misrepresentation of what I
:39:39. > :39:44.said. Do you agree with his position? I have all is said I would
:39:45. > :39:48.not negotiate with Isis. I want to see a political solution in Syria,
:39:49. > :39:51.which means involving all the countries in the region and the
:39:52. > :39:55.urgent negotiation of a rapid ceasefire to get aid in, urgent
:39:56. > :39:59.negotiation to support and help refugees, and a copper hence if plan
:40:00. > :39:59.to bring about peace across the whole region.
:40:00. > :40:10.APPLAUSE -- a comprehensive plan.
:40:11. > :40:17.The other part, you want to scrap Trident. Parliament voted
:40:18. > :40:22.effectively on replacement of the Trident nuclear weapons system and
:40:23. > :40:25.the submarines that go with it. To ask the question back, under what
:40:26. > :40:29.circumstances would anyone use a nuclear weapons? We know that if
:40:30. > :40:32.they nuclear weapons was ever used anywhere in the world, the
:40:33. > :40:35.consequences to the environment, the economy and human life are
:40:36. > :40:38.absolutely catastrophic. There are many in the military that do not
:40:39. > :40:43.want Trident replaced and would rather see the resources spent on
:40:44. > :40:49.more conventional issues, and dealing with issues of terrorism and
:40:50. > :40:53.cyber security. 187 countries around the world do not have nuclear
:40:54. > :40:56.weapons. We are signatories of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and
:40:57. > :41:00.I think we should adhere to our requirements under that, which is to
:41:01. > :41:11.take steps towards disarmament. APPLAUSE
:41:12. > :41:20.You have a crazed dictator in the Far East, currently strengthening
:41:21. > :41:23.his nuclear deterrent. The Chinese thought that he would weaken in a
:41:24. > :41:28.couple of years. Clearly they were wrong. We have the situation in
:41:29. > :41:34.Russia as well. You can't play games with this, Jeremy. Think about it.
:41:35. > :41:38.Nobody is playing games. We are serious about this and I am sure you
:41:39. > :41:43.are, to bring about a peaceful world. Do nuclear weapons help do
:41:44. > :41:51.that? Can we not put as much pressure on -- as possible on China
:41:52. > :41:53.about North Korea to try and bring about removing nuclear weapons from
:41:54. > :41:57.the Korean Peninsula, in the same way that we have managed to bring
:41:58. > :42:02.about nuclear weapons free zones in a number of areas, including Central
:42:03. > :42:06.Asia, Africa and Latin America, and now the discussions about an Arctic
:42:07. > :42:12.nuclear free zone? Surely there has to be a space to go forward on
:42:13. > :42:16.bringing about nuclear disarmament. We have managed to ban chemical
:42:17. > :42:19.weapons by agreement. We have managed to ban cluster bombs by
:42:20. > :42:24.agreement. Surely we can work really hard at that by giving meaning to
:42:25. > :42:27.what the Labour government of the 60s achieved, which was the nuclear
:42:28. > :42:35.Non-Proliferation Treaty. APPLAUSE
:42:36. > :42:40.I am someone who believes in multilateral disarmament. I want to
:42:41. > :42:45.get rid of nuclear weapons across the world. The difference between us
:42:46. > :42:48.is how we do it. Jeremy things we do it by unilaterally getting rid of
:42:49. > :42:51.hours and using moral persuasion to get America and Russia to get rid of
:42:52. > :42:59.theirs thereafter. I think that is naive. I don't think that is likely
:43:00. > :43:02.to happen. Other countries have pursued that course and got rid of
:43:03. > :43:06.their nuclear weapons and Russia and America held onto theirs. I also
:43:07. > :43:09.think we have to be incredible serious about our duty as a Labour
:43:10. > :43:14.government in waiting to keep this country safe. And the world feels a
:43:15. > :43:18.more dangerous place to me than it has done pretty much any point in my
:43:19. > :43:21.lifetime. I don't think now is the time for us to get rid of our
:43:22. > :43:25.nuclear deterrent. I think it is time for us to get Labour back into
:43:26. > :43:26.power in order to make the argument for multilateral disarmament across
:43:27. > :43:31.the world. APPLAUSE
:43:32. > :43:46.A number of other questions. I will take a scattering of them. The
:43:47. > :43:51.Jewish community is very worried about the state of the Labour Party
:43:52. > :43:57.at the moment. What is your plan to root out anti-Semitism? What do you
:43:58. > :44:00.mean? Most Jews do not feel safe on the streets, and there have been
:44:01. > :44:07.anti-Semitic reports in the Labour Party and they have done nothing to
:44:08. > :44:11.try and eliminate that. The young man is right, unfortunately. The
:44:12. > :44:15.Jewish community has traditionally looked to Labour to represented. We
:44:16. > :44:17.have been the farty they felt closest to their views.
:44:18. > :44:22.Unfortunately, right now it is only 8% of the Jewish community voting
:44:23. > :44:27.Labour and that is a big decline in recent months and years. We have
:44:28. > :44:30.seen anti-Semitism in our party. I don't think we have been strong
:44:31. > :44:33.enough in speaking out against that and it has diminished our capacity
:44:34. > :44:38.to speak out against it in the country. If it is not the Labour
:44:39. > :44:41.Party is speaking against racism and anti-Semitism and being heard in
:44:42. > :44:44.Britain, nobody else will do it. The answer has to be that we have to
:44:45. > :44:49.have zero tolerance for it in the Labour Party. We have to make sure
:44:50. > :44:53.that anybody found guilty of anti-Semitism or any racism has no
:44:54. > :44:57.place in the Labour Party. Any difference between you two on this?
:44:58. > :45:03.Yes, Jeremy has not been strong enough in speaking out about it. The
:45:04. > :45:06.report from Shami Chakrabarti is not viewed by the Jewish community as
:45:07. > :45:11.being adequate, is not thought to have taken the issue seriously, and
:45:12. > :45:13.I think we need a new review and a much more detailed, more
:45:14. > :45:14.high-powered review to look at the problem we have in Labour and to
:45:15. > :45:23.deal with it. When I became leader I understood a
:45:24. > :45:28.number of people had been suspended from the party before I became
:45:29. > :45:31.leader. I received reports of anti-Semitic remarks and behaviour
:45:32. > :45:34.at certain party events and I am well aware of the rise of
:45:35. > :45:40.anti-Semitism across Britain and Europe. The first point,
:45:41. > :45:52.anti-Semitism is absolutely and totally unacceptable anywhere in our
:45:53. > :45:57.society, and our party. The second point, I did ask Shami Chakrabati,
:45:58. > :46:01.the former director of Liberty to undertake an investigation, and I
:46:02. > :46:04.asked her to do it quickly so I could be in a position to put a
:46:05. > :46:10.statement to the national executive and put proposals to the conference
:46:11. > :46:14.to deal with issues of suspension and anti-Semitism in the party. We
:46:15. > :46:19.launched that report, and it obviously should be subject to
:46:20. > :46:23.review at a later stage to see how it's getting on. We have to say to
:46:24. > :46:28.everybody in the Labour Party, this is a safe place to be. It's a
:46:29. > :46:33.welcoming party to be, of people of all faiths, of all religions, to
:46:34. > :46:40.come to our party and work together to achieve the kind of social
:46:41. > :46:48.justice... APPLAUSE Your own Labour MP Ruth Smeaton said
:46:49. > :46:53.that you failed to intervene, and it was final proof when she was heckled
:46:54. > :46:57.at the meeting, final proof for me that you are unfit to lead and a
:46:58. > :47:02.Labour Party under your stewardship cannot be a safe space for British
:47:03. > :47:07.Jews. I'm very disappointed Ruth would say that. She was subject to
:47:08. > :47:12.some appalling abuse earlier this week and last weekend. I send my
:47:13. > :47:17.support, sympathy and solidarity to her, as I would anybody is subject
:47:18. > :47:26.to that kind of abuse. I do not accept any kind of racist abuse in
:47:27. > :47:29.any form or forum. She has been subject to abuse and Ruth is
:47:30. > :47:34.currently being protected by the police, so serious is the abuse she
:47:35. > :47:38.has been subjected to. The point she makes and the point other members of
:47:39. > :47:42.the Jewish community have made, under Jeremy's leadership, we have
:47:43. > :47:46.seen people coming into the Labour Party from the hard left of
:47:47. > :47:51.politics, bringing anti-Semitic attitudes into the party. That is
:47:52. > :47:56.not acceptable. Who are you talking about? I think there are people on
:47:57. > :48:03.the far left flooding into the Labour Party. That's their word not
:48:04. > :48:06.mine. The AWL, the Alliance of workers liberty, said a couple of
:48:07. > :48:10.weeks ago that they would flood into the Labour Party. Other people from
:48:11. > :48:20.hard left groups have come into Labour. I saw a tweet recently from
:48:21. > :48:24.Jeremy's... Purporting to be from Jeremy's team to a hard left group
:48:25. > :48:27.saying that you are welcome to come to Jeremy's rallies, just leave the
:48:28. > :48:32.flags and banners at home. The reason for that, we have seen some
:48:33. > :48:36.of those flags and banners at some of Jeremy's rallies. Unfortunately,
:48:37. > :48:41.some of those people are bringing a attitude into the party from the
:48:42. > :48:44.hard left. When you say the hard left, the Labour Party as a
:48:45. > :48:52.left-wing party. Are you saying these people shouldn't be allowed
:48:53. > :48:57.in? People coming in from the AWL and SWP, these people who have not
:48:58. > :49:06.been prescribed as not being members of the Labour Party, not being able
:49:07. > :49:12.to join. Some of the ways people are trying to get into the party,
:49:13. > :49:17.advocating Jeremy. Are you saying he's allowing it or advocating it? I
:49:18. > :49:25.think some people around Jeremy are absolutely encouraging it and that
:49:26. > :49:29.there is no doubt. I'm sure we can agree on two things. Firstly, that
:49:30. > :49:34.all of us together are going to make sure that we defeat any aspects of
:49:35. > :49:39.anti-Semitism within our party and society. On that I'm sure we are
:49:40. > :49:44.absolutely agreed, yes? We are agreed but I'm not sure you are
:49:45. > :49:48.entirely committed to it. Owen, that is a completely unfair way of saying
:49:49. > :49:54.it. I have spent my life opposing racism in any form, as have you.
:49:55. > :50:01.APPLAUSE I stand here, and many people on the
:50:02. > :50:07.left... Many people on the hard left of our party who have been alongside
:50:08. > :50:19.you over many years do associate anti-Zionist, anti-imperialist,
:50:20. > :50:23.antique anti-Israel perspective. I don't think you have been strong
:50:24. > :50:27.enough in speaking out against them and distancing yourself. We are all
:50:28. > :50:32.opposed to anti-Semitism and any form of racism in our society. That
:50:33. > :50:36.is what the core of our party is about. It was a statement put to the
:50:37. > :50:39.national executive that was unanimously agreed. Some of your
:50:40. > :50:43.Jewish Labour MPs do not feel the Labour Party under your leadership
:50:44. > :50:48.is a safe place. I support them in their right to their identity and
:50:49. > :50:51.what they say. I support them when they say they are abused, just as I
:50:52. > :50:57.would support anyone else who is abused. Just as you would. They
:50:58. > :51:02.don't feel that support. The young man who asked that in the first
:51:03. > :51:12.place? Jeremy says he's antiracism but he supports groups such as Hamas
:51:13. > :51:17.who call for the death of all Jews. No, I do not support Hamas, as you
:51:18. > :51:24.know. I have met people from Hamas. Do I agree with them? No. I think
:51:25. > :51:30.there is a chance of one day of getting a peace agreement between
:51:31. > :51:38.Palestine and Israel. I believe that and I want it to happen. Following
:51:39. > :51:41.on from the gentleman's question, a lot of members of the Muslim
:51:42. > :51:45.community also do not feel safe on the street. Islamophobia is an up
:51:46. > :51:51.and coming issue affecting many people in this country. Definitely.
:51:52. > :51:59.You say definitely, but you endorsed the Prevent strategy. Especially
:52:00. > :52:03.after many of the terrorist atrocities around the world. The
:52:04. > :52:08.backlash, the Muslim community, there are hate crimes against them.
:52:09. > :52:11.There are women who want to wear a headscarf who don't feel safe to
:52:12. > :52:16.leave the house. My question to you is, what will you do to make it
:52:17. > :52:20.safer for Muslims, as well as the Jewish community, apart from
:52:21. > :52:25.endorsing the Prevent programme, which virtually everybody is
:52:26. > :52:31.against. I hate to say it, but you are wrong. What I said was, when
:52:32. > :52:35.Prevent was started in 2005 under the Labour government, was designed
:52:36. > :52:40.to try to better integrate people who felt isolated in the Muslim
:52:41. > :52:45.community into wider society. It clearly hasn't worked. It wasn't
:52:46. > :52:49.working well under Labour, and has now been completely subverted by the
:52:50. > :52:54.Tories and is seen by many people as a racist project. So why do you want
:52:55. > :52:58.to increase the funding? I want to increase the funding in order to
:52:59. > :53:04.change it. How would you change it? By taking it back to what it was
:53:05. > :53:06.meant to be at the beginning, a scheme that was designed to
:53:07. > :53:12.integrate people. It has to be a scheme that was designed to mitigate
:53:13. > :53:16.against radicalism, and make sure the Muslim community feel fully
:53:17. > :53:20.integrated and celebrated in our community. All of us want that in
:53:21. > :53:27.our country. I'm certain it up I was leader of the Labour Party it would
:53:28. > :53:38.be my policy. We only have five minutes left. I would like to say
:53:39. > :53:46.something to him. Moving on from Prevent, don't you think we should
:53:47. > :53:49.actually build a much stronger sense of community cohesion among all
:53:50. > :53:55.faiths and groups, and generate a sense of antiracism in society. The
:53:56. > :54:00.danger is it isolates the Muslim community, targets young Muslims and
:54:01. > :54:05.expect teachers to report on them if they think they are going in a bad
:54:06. > :54:08.direction. Instead we should bring communities together. That bothers
:54:09. > :54:12.me about it. What bothers me as much is the growth of hate crime and
:54:13. > :54:16.racist violence on the streets of this country. We have to unite
:54:17. > :54:26.together to oppose all of that. APPLAUSE
:54:27. > :54:30.I want quick answers to this question. Our junior doctors right
:54:31. > :54:41.to go on strike and do you support them? It's a yes or no. They have
:54:42. > :54:47.every right to go on strike but I hope the government will, even now,
:54:48. > :54:51.engage in proper negotiations with the BMA, proper negotiations with
:54:52. > :54:55.junior doctors who are the lifeblood of our National Health Service. They
:54:56. > :55:04.do not want to withdraw labour, they want to support our NHS. The problem
:55:05. > :55:08.is Jeremy Hunt. The question wasn't do they have the right to strike,
:55:09. > :55:13.the question was are they right to strike? They felt they were forced
:55:14. > :55:16.into it. They have withdrawn the strike they planned because they
:55:17. > :55:20.hoped to get negotiations going and they are hoping the government will
:55:21. > :55:23.make some progress on it. I hope the government is listing because those
:55:24. > :55:30.doctors are crucial to our health service. Owen Smith? I would also
:55:31. > :55:34.defend their right to go on strike. I think the strike is potentially
:55:35. > :55:37.dangerous which is why they said they would call off the five-day
:55:38. > :55:42.strike they were planning. I completely understand the way they
:55:43. > :55:48.feel about our NHS. ?2.5 billion in debt in our country. A, maternity
:55:49. > :55:54.units closing down. The Tories undermining the NHS at every turn.
:55:55. > :55:58.That's why we need a Labour government to reinvest again and I
:55:59. > :56:07.would invest 60 billion over a five-year parliament. A lot of solid
:56:08. > :56:13.political questions. Eight an intriguing question from Suzy
:56:14. > :56:18.Robertson. My dad is a retired bus driver and was proud to receive an
:56:19. > :56:24.MBE from the Queen for services to trade unions. What's your view on
:56:25. > :56:28.the monarchy? Jeremy Corbyn. I'm glad he received an honour, well
:56:29. > :56:36.done to him, but I just don't think serving politicians should receive
:56:37. > :56:44.an honour. That was not the question. The question was, what's
:56:45. > :56:48.your view the monarchy? I'm I thought the view was on the honours?
:56:49. > :56:54.No, what's your view on the monarchy? I'm not campaigning on the
:56:55. > :57:00.issues of the monarchy, I'm campaigning on the issues of
:57:01. > :57:05.democracy in our society. I'm in favour of retaining the economy. I
:57:06. > :57:08.think the Queen does a great job and I'm sure your father was very
:57:09. > :57:16.pleased to get the award. Good on him. Patrick Morrell, very brief,
:57:17. > :57:20.please. How would you heal the divisions in the Labour Party, and
:57:21. > :57:24.as a winner would you offer a post to the winner, and as loser would
:57:25. > :57:31.you serve under the winner? I think we have that answered. I want the
:57:32. > :57:36.party to come together. I want us to end the election campaign, agree on
:57:37. > :57:39.our general political direction on austerity, social justice and those
:57:40. > :57:44.things we agree on. Of course I would be delighted to work with Owen
:57:45. > :57:48.Smith. Would you offer him a post? I've already done it. I think he
:57:49. > :57:57.should be president or chairman of the party. It doesn't exist! We end
:57:58. > :57:59.where we started. Our time is up, I'm afraid. Thank you both very much
:58:00. > :58:01.indeed. Question Time will be
:58:02. > :58:03.in Salisbury next week, with Education Secretary Justine
:58:04. > :58:05.Greening for the Conservatives, Labour's Shadow Chancellor John
:58:06. > :58:08.McDonnell, and Tony Blair's former Director
:58:09. > :58:13.of Communications Alastair Campbell. BOOING
:58:14. > :58:17.Hold it. The following week we'll be
:58:18. > :58:19.in Sutton Coldfield. If you would like to come along,
:58:20. > :58:22.go to our website, or call
:58:23. > :58:25.0330 123 99 88. Thanks to Jeremy Corbyn,
:58:26. > :58:30.Owen Smith, and the audience. From Oldham, until next
:58:31. > :58:34.Thursday, goodnight.