0:00:02 > 0:00:03Tonight, the Prime Minister, Theresa May,
0:00:03 > 0:00:05the leader of the Conservative Party,
0:00:05 > 0:00:09and the leader of Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, face the voters.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12Welcome to Question Time.
0:00:20 > 0:00:23So, over the next 90 minutes, the leaders of the two larger parties
0:00:23 > 0:00:27are going to be quizzed by our audience here in York.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29Now, this audience is made up like this -
0:00:29 > 0:00:34just a third say they intend to vote Conservative next week.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37The same number say they're going to vote Labour,
0:00:37 > 0:00:39and the rest either support other parties,
0:00:39 > 0:00:42or have yet to make up their minds.
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0:00:55 > 0:00:57The leaders - this is important -
0:00:57 > 0:01:01don't know the questions that are going to be put to them tonight.
0:01:01 > 0:01:03So, first to face our audience,
0:01:03 > 0:01:05please welcome the leader of the Conservative Party,
0:01:05 > 0:01:07the Prime Minister, Theresa May.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10APPLAUSE
0:01:11 > 0:01:12Thank you.
0:01:16 > 0:01:17Thank you very much. Thank you.
0:01:21 > 0:01:22Good evening, Prime Minister.
0:01:22 > 0:01:26Your first question comes from Abigail Eatock, please.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29Why should the public trust anything you say or any of your policies
0:01:29 > 0:01:32when you have a known track record of broken promises
0:01:32 > 0:01:34and backtracking during your time
0:01:34 > 0:01:37as Home Secretary and now Prime Minister?
0:01:37 > 0:01:39Well, thank you, David, and thank you...
0:01:39 > 0:01:40APPLAUSE
0:01:44 > 0:01:46Thank you, Abigail,
0:01:46 > 0:01:48and can I first of all say good evening to everybody,
0:01:48 > 0:01:51and thank you for coming to be an audience at this programme tonight,
0:01:51 > 0:01:54which is an important part of the election campaign.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56Let me tell you about some of the things
0:01:56 > 0:01:58that I did as Home Secretary, Abigail.
0:01:58 > 0:02:00I said that I would ensure
0:02:00 > 0:02:02that we were dealing with extremist hate preachers,
0:02:02 > 0:02:06and I excluded more than any Home Secretary before me.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09I said I would do something about stop and search,
0:02:09 > 0:02:11cos I don't think anybody should be stopped and searched
0:02:11 > 0:02:15on the streets of our country because of the colour of their skin.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17I said I would be tough on crime,
0:02:17 > 0:02:20and I said I would ensure our police and our security services
0:02:20 > 0:02:24had the powers they need to be able to do their job,
0:02:24 > 0:02:27and I gave them those in the legislation that I put through,
0:02:27 > 0:02:31and I made sure that we kept the records of criminals and terrorists
0:02:31 > 0:02:32on the DNA database,
0:02:32 > 0:02:35whereas Diane Abbott actually wants to wipe them clean,
0:02:35 > 0:02:36and I don't think that's a good idea,
0:02:36 > 0:02:38cos that helps us catch criminals.
0:02:38 > 0:02:39So, no backtracking, and...
0:02:39 > 0:02:41APPLAUSE
0:02:43 > 0:02:46..no broken promises? What were you thinking of, Abigail?
0:02:46 > 0:02:50Erm... Well, you have backtracked as Prime Minister.
0:02:50 > 0:02:54You backtracked when you became leader of the Conservatives,
0:02:54 > 0:02:57and then immediately Prime Minister after the referendum.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01You said you wouldn't call an election, and you did.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04And then you are here calling an election
0:03:04 > 0:03:06and refusing to take part in debates,
0:03:06 > 0:03:09refusing to answer people's questions,
0:03:09 > 0:03:11refusing to talk to Jeremy Corbyn,
0:03:11 > 0:03:14and you've backtracked on your social care policy,
0:03:14 > 0:03:17and your entire manifesto has holes in it,
0:03:17 > 0:03:18and everyone else can see that.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20Well, first of all...
0:03:20 > 0:03:21APPLAUSE
0:03:25 > 0:03:27First of all, can I just say,
0:03:27 > 0:03:29I'm not refusing to take part in debates,
0:03:29 > 0:03:31because I'm here answering questions from you,
0:03:31 > 0:03:33this audience, this evening,
0:03:33 > 0:03:36and that's what I think is important in an election campaign.
0:03:36 > 0:03:38It's not politicians arguing amongst each other,
0:03:38 > 0:03:42but actually listening and taking questions from voters.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44And you mentioned about not holding...
0:03:44 > 0:03:46Saying I wouldn't hold an election and now holding one.
0:03:46 > 0:03:50You're right - I thought we needed a period of stability,
0:03:50 > 0:03:55but what became clear to me when we went through the Article 50 process
0:03:55 > 0:03:58to trigger the process of leaving the European Union,
0:03:58 > 0:04:00to respect the will of the British people,
0:04:00 > 0:04:03was that other parties wanted to frustrate those negotiations,
0:04:03 > 0:04:06and wanted to frustrate that will of the people
0:04:06 > 0:04:08that had been expressed in the referendum vote.
0:04:08 > 0:04:11And, you know, it would have been easy - I could have said,
0:04:11 > 0:04:13"OK, I'm Prime Minister, there's another couple of years going -
0:04:13 > 0:04:16"why don't I just stay and hang on in the job?"
0:04:16 > 0:04:20But I didn't do that. I've called an election because of Brexit.
0:04:20 > 0:04:21I was willing to do that
0:04:21 > 0:04:25because I think this is a really important moment for our country.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27We've got to get this right.
0:04:27 > 0:04:30If we get it right, I'm optimistic for the British people,
0:04:30 > 0:04:34because I believe in the British people, but we need to get it right.
0:04:34 > 0:04:35APPLAUSE
0:04:41 > 0:04:43Yes, the woman there.
0:04:43 > 0:04:46Who is it that contested you, because Labour have clearly
0:04:46 > 0:04:50issued a whip to get people to vote for Article 50 being passed.
0:04:50 > 0:04:51Besides the Lib Dems,
0:04:51 > 0:04:54who have kind of said that they would like another referendum,
0:04:54 > 0:04:55I don't understand who it is
0:04:55 > 0:04:57that has contested your leadership through Brexit.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00Well, you're right, we got the Article 50 legislation
0:05:00 > 0:05:01through Parliament.
0:05:01 > 0:05:04That was important - it's triggered the ability for us
0:05:04 > 0:05:08to start these negotiations, and those negotiations, by the way,
0:05:08 > 0:05:11start just 11 days after election day next week.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13So whoever comes in as Prime Minister,
0:05:13 > 0:05:15whoever comes in as a government,
0:05:15 > 0:05:17has got to be ready to actually get the ball rolling
0:05:17 > 0:05:20and start those negotiations straight away.
0:05:20 > 0:05:23But it was clear through the discussions that we had
0:05:23 > 0:05:27around that time that the other parties did want to frustrate us,
0:05:27 > 0:05:29and you say... You talk about the Liberal Democrats,
0:05:29 > 0:05:32I mean, we have a situation at the moment where if Jeremy Corbyn
0:05:32 > 0:05:35was to get into Number ', he'd be being propped up
0:05:35 > 0:05:38by the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish nationalists.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40You'd have Diane Abbott, who can't add up,
0:05:40 > 0:05:44sitting around the Cabinet table, John McDonnell, who's a Marxist,
0:05:44 > 0:05:46Nicola Sturgeon, who wants to break our country up,
0:05:46 > 0:05:49and Tim Farron, who wants to take us back INTO the EU,
0:05:49 > 0:05:52the direct opposite of what the British people want.
0:05:52 > 0:05:53APPLAUSE
0:05:57 > 0:05:59- You, sir.- Thank you.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01That being said, Prime Minister,
0:06:01 > 0:06:04one of the things that I would like to know is,
0:06:04 > 0:06:07secretly, do you really regret calling this election,
0:06:07 > 0:06:09now the polls have moved against you?
0:06:09 > 0:06:14I'm a Tory and I pray and hope that we win, or that you win,
0:06:14 > 0:06:18but you must feel a little bit of... "Ooh!" A little bit of remorse, no?
0:06:18 > 0:06:22No, I've been in politics quite a long time, and I've always said
0:06:22 > 0:06:25at every election, the only poll that matters
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- is the one that takes place on polling day.- Yeah.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30And I think the British people, when they're voting,
0:06:30 > 0:06:33when everybody's casting your vote, people here and people watching
0:06:33 > 0:06:38and others, have a simple choice, and it is about who do you trust
0:06:38 > 0:06:43to have that leadership, to take us to get the best deal for Brexit
0:06:43 > 0:06:47in Europe, and who's got the will and the vision,
0:06:47 > 0:06:50not just to take us through Brexit, not just to get on with the job
0:06:50 > 0:06:54of delivering Brexit, but to take us beyond and build a better future
0:06:54 > 0:06:55for this country.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58Were you surprised, though, that the polls have gone from a lead of 20%
0:06:58 > 0:07:02when you called the election, remorselessly down like that?
0:07:02 > 0:07:04David, I'm never surprised at things that happen
0:07:04 > 0:07:06- during election campaigns. - You thought you were THAT popular,
0:07:06 > 0:07:08- and now you accept you're THAT popular?- No.
0:07:08 > 0:07:12I'm never surprised at things that happen during election campaigns,
0:07:12 > 0:07:13because the only poll I look at
0:07:13 > 0:07:16- is the one that takes place on election day.- Al right. You, sir.
0:07:16 > 0:07:18Just face it - you called the election
0:07:18 > 0:07:20for your own political gains.
0:07:20 > 0:07:22It's nothing to do with the good of the country -
0:07:22 > 0:07:24it's for your own political gains.
0:07:24 > 0:07:28No, it's not, sir. Can I just say to you, as I've just said...
0:07:28 > 0:07:30APPLAUSE
0:07:30 > 0:07:33It would have been the easiest thing in the world for me,
0:07:33 > 0:07:35having become Prime Minister after the referendum
0:07:35 > 0:07:39when David Cameron resigned, to say, you know, the next election's
0:07:39 > 0:07:45not till 2020, this is a good job, I enjoy the job, I want to do it -
0:07:45 > 0:07:48in this job I do what I believe is the best for Britain.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51I could have stayed on doing that job for another couple of years...
0:07:51 > 0:07:53Your party called a European referendum...
0:07:53 > 0:07:54I had the balls to call an election.
0:07:54 > 0:07:57..for the good of the Conservative Party.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00You've called a general election for the good of Conservative Party,
0:08:00 > 0:08:03- and it's going to backfire on you. - No, I called...
0:08:03 > 0:08:04APPLAUSE
0:08:06 > 0:08:11I called a general election because I believe that the British people
0:08:11 > 0:08:15have a right to vote, and to say who they want to see leading them
0:08:15 > 0:08:17through the Brexit negotiations,
0:08:17 > 0:08:19and I believe they should have a Prime Minister
0:08:19 > 0:08:25who has an absolutely resolute determination to respect their will.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28My party is the only party that is going to respect the will
0:08:28 > 0:08:30of the British people, get on with the job,
0:08:30 > 0:08:32- and deliver a successful Brexit.- OK.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34APPLAUSE
0:08:36 > 0:08:39We'll come on to Brexit in a moment. One more point from you.
0:08:39 > 0:08:45I think it's a very different thing to debate a studio audience
0:08:45 > 0:08:49as debating the other leaders, and I think there has been a lot
0:08:49 > 0:08:51of debating through the media.
0:08:51 > 0:08:56Would it not give a more interesting debate
0:08:56 > 0:08:59having you say these things face to face to the other leaders,
0:08:59 > 0:09:03and speak that way about the policies,
0:09:03 > 0:09:05rather than through TV and through journalists?
0:09:05 > 0:09:08- APPLAUSE - Well...
0:09:12 > 0:09:17I think election campaigns should be about getting out and about,
0:09:17 > 0:09:20yes, answering questions from voters, meeting voters,
0:09:20 > 0:09:25talking to people across the UK in a whole variety of circumstances,
0:09:25 > 0:09:29and I'm afraid I think that actually having that interaction
0:09:29 > 0:09:33with voters is more useful for the voter and for the politician.
0:09:33 > 0:09:35I think anybody who wants to be Prime Minister
0:09:35 > 0:09:39should be out and about listening to what people are thinking,
0:09:39 > 0:09:42and I don't think seven politicians just arguing amongst themselves
0:09:42 > 0:09:44is actually that interesting or that revealing.
0:09:44 > 0:09:47OK. Let's... APPLAUSE
0:09:47 > 0:09:49We'll go on. I want to go on, cos we've talked about the election.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51Let's go on to talking about Brexit,
0:09:51 > 0:09:53which you've mentioned once or twice.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56Barry Clarke, could we have your question, please?
0:09:59 > 0:10:01- Good evening.- Good evening.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04If the EU start being awkward,
0:10:04 > 0:10:08why don't we just cut and run and pay no money at all?
0:10:08 > 0:10:11- Well... - APPLAUSE
0:10:13 > 0:10:17I've said that I think no deal would be better than a bad deal.
0:10:17 > 0:10:20Now, I'm confident we can get a good deal
0:10:20 > 0:10:22with the right plan for those negotiations,
0:10:22 > 0:10:24because I think a good deal is in our interest,
0:10:24 > 0:10:27and in the interests of the rest of the EU.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30But we have to be prepared to stand up for Britain.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32We have to be prepared to go in there
0:10:32 > 0:10:35recognising that we're not willing to accept a bad deal.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38What is a bad deal? People are very confused.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41You talk all the time about a bad deal, which you won't accept.
0:10:41 > 0:10:44Can you explain what in your mind would be a bad deal?
0:10:44 > 0:10:46Well, yes. I think on the one hand, David,
0:10:46 > 0:10:49you've got politicians in Europe, some of whom are talking
0:10:49 > 0:10:52about punishing the UK for leaving the EU.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55I think what they want to see in terms of that punishment
0:10:55 > 0:10:59would be a bad deal, and secondly, you've got politicians here
0:10:59 > 0:11:02in the United Kingdom, who seem to be willing to accept any deal,
0:11:02 > 0:11:05whatever it is, just for the sake of getting a deal.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07I think the danger is, they'd be accepting
0:11:07 > 0:11:10the worst possible deal at the highest possible price.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12APPLAUSE
0:11:12 > 0:11:13You, sir, at the back there.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16Good evening.
0:11:16 > 0:11:19You always say you want to serve for the whole people in Britain,
0:11:19 > 0:11:22but Brexit was basically voted by 52%.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25So, how do you actually serve for the whole country
0:11:25 > 0:11:28if just 52% backed Brexit?
0:11:28 > 0:11:32Well, the first thing I would say is that as I go around
0:11:32 > 0:11:37and talk to people, individuals, business representatives and others,
0:11:37 > 0:11:43I find that actually, the greater majority of opinion here in the UK
0:11:43 > 0:11:47is that the decision was taken, the public were given their choice -
0:11:47 > 0:11:50they chose to leave the European Union.
0:11:50 > 0:11:52Let's just have a government that gets on with it,
0:11:52 > 0:11:54and delivers a good deal.
0:11:54 > 0:11:57And how I would respond, for all of those who voted to remain,
0:11:57 > 0:12:02and I voted to remain, is to say that now we must make sure
0:12:02 > 0:12:05we get the negotiations right, we get that good free trade agreement,
0:12:05 > 0:12:10the continued co-operation, a deep and special partnership with the EU,
0:12:10 > 0:12:14but that also, we take this opportunity of Brexit,
0:12:14 > 0:12:16new trade deals around the rest of the world,
0:12:16 > 0:12:19actually seeing how we can build a more prosperous,
0:12:19 > 0:12:20stronger and fairer Britain.
0:12:20 > 0:12:22I think we can do that,
0:12:22 > 0:12:24and I think we can do that because I believe in Britain
0:12:24 > 0:12:26and I believe in the British people.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28What I'm... APPLAUSE
0:12:28 > 0:12:31It's curious, because just over a year ago,
0:12:31 > 0:12:34when you were a Remainer, er...
0:12:34 > 0:12:37and David Cameron got this wrong, and he resigned,
0:12:37 > 0:12:41you got it wrong and remained to become Prime Minister.
0:12:41 > 0:12:42You said,
0:12:42 > 0:12:47"Remaining inside the European Union makes us more prosperous."
0:12:47 > 0:12:50Yesterday, you said, "Brexit makes us more prosperous."
0:12:50 > 0:12:52LAUGHTER I mean, what...
0:12:52 > 0:12:54Where are you at on this?
0:12:54 > 0:12:58What I... And I set out very carefully before the referendum
0:12:58 > 0:13:01why I believed on balance we should stay in the EU.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05I also said the sky will not fall in if we leave the EU.
0:13:05 > 0:13:07What then happened was the British people,
0:13:07 > 0:13:08who had been given the choice -
0:13:08 > 0:13:12you know, Parliament decided to say to the public, "It's your choice."
0:13:12 > 0:13:15- They chose that we should leave the EU.- But will we be less prosperous?
0:13:15 > 0:13:17- Going back to your old argument. - We've got to make sure
0:13:17 > 0:13:21that we can actually use the opportunities that come from Brexit.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23We've got to grasp those opportunities,
0:13:23 > 0:13:28but fundamentally, David, the thing I think that matters most in this
0:13:28 > 0:13:31is being willing to deliver on the will of the people.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34Not saying, "Oh, you got it wrong, let's have a second referendum,"
0:13:34 > 0:13:38but saying, "You voted, you've chosen, you want a government
0:13:38 > 0:13:40"that's going to do it for you," and I say to people,
0:13:40 > 0:13:42if you voted for Brexit, you need to make sure you get it
0:13:42 > 0:13:44with a government, with me and my team,
0:13:44 > 0:13:45who will actually deliver it for you.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48Yeah, but the people made the wrong choice, by your book,
0:13:48 > 0:13:50- cos you were a Remainer. - No, the people...
0:13:50 > 0:13:52They made the wrong choice because you were a Remainer,
0:13:52 > 0:13:55so, in your mind you must have thought, "What are they on about?"
0:13:55 > 0:13:58And then you said they'll get richer if they stay,
0:13:58 > 0:14:00if they leave, they won't - they'll be poorer.
0:14:00 > 0:14:02Can you now honestly say there's no difference -
0:14:02 > 0:14:05we'll get richer by leaving just the same as we would have done
0:14:05 > 0:14:06if we'd remained?
0:14:06 > 0:14:08- I said...- Or is there going to be a price to pay?
0:14:08 > 0:14:11I did say at the time that I thought there were advantages, on balance,
0:14:11 > 0:14:15in being in the EU, but now, what I believe we must do
0:14:15 > 0:14:16is deliver on the will of the people,
0:14:16 > 0:14:19but also make sure we make a success of it.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21So what I'm doing as Prime Minister
0:14:21 > 0:14:23is saying, let's find those opportunities
0:14:23 > 0:14:26that will enable us to be more prosperous in the future.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28All right. Too much of me. The man over there. You, sir.
0:14:28 > 0:14:30No, on the far side there. Yes.
0:14:31 > 0:14:32- Good evening.- Evening.
0:14:32 > 0:14:34You don't need to say good evening all the time,
0:14:34 > 0:14:36because I think we've met! LAUGHTER
0:14:36 > 0:14:38It looks increasingly likely that we are going to have to pay
0:14:38 > 0:14:42a divorce bill, and it's speculated anything between nothing
0:14:42 > 0:14:43to 100 billion.
0:14:43 > 0:14:47Could you quantify in billions of pounds, straightforward question,
0:14:47 > 0:14:48what is a good deal?
0:14:48 > 0:14:50Well, the...
0:14:50 > 0:14:54I'm not going to give you a figure on that for two reasons.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57First of all because we need to go through very carefully,
0:14:57 > 0:15:01as part of the negotiation, what rights and obligations
0:15:01 > 0:15:03the United Kingdom has.
0:15:03 > 0:15:07And secondly, because if I gave you a figure here tonight,
0:15:07 > 0:15:09for what I thought would be a good figure,
0:15:09 > 0:15:11that wouldn't be a very good negotiating stance when I'm sitting
0:15:11 > 0:15:15down, if I'm Prime Minister in 11 days' time, with the European Union.
0:15:15 > 0:15:20But it is... It's his money you're spending?
0:15:20 > 0:15:22Yes, well, it's all our money that will be...
0:15:22 > 0:15:24That is taxpayers' money, David.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27But you don't go into a negotiating stance saying, "The thing I
0:15:27 > 0:15:30"want out of this is, absolutely want out of this, is X."
0:15:30 > 0:15:32Because you can bet your bottom dollar
0:15:32 > 0:15:34the other side is going to try and make sure you don't get X.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36And do you think they'll have to...you'll have to agree that
0:15:36 > 0:15:38before they'll talk about all the other things, trade
0:15:38 > 0:15:41and all the rest of it? Which way do you think it's going to run?
0:15:41 > 0:15:45They've... I've been very clear, as indeed has the EU on recognising
0:15:45 > 0:15:49that we need to negotiate that new relationship with them,
0:15:49 > 0:15:52which will be about trade, but will be about other things, too.
0:15:52 > 0:15:55So like co-operation on security and criminal justice.
0:15:55 > 0:16:00They want to start off by talking about the bill.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03I want one of the early discussions to be about the reciprocal
0:16:03 > 0:16:05arrangement for EU and UK citizens.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08They haven't said that we can't negotiate the trade deal
0:16:08 > 0:16:09until we've agreed the bill.
0:16:09 > 0:16:12What they've said is we need to make sufficient progress.
0:16:12 > 0:16:14And what several of them have also said
0:16:14 > 0:16:16is we need to get on to the trade deal quickly.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18- The woman at the very back there. - Hello.- Hello.
0:16:18 > 0:16:22You've said that you think you can negotiate a good deal, but do you
0:16:22 > 0:16:27really think that you actually have any real leverage with Brussels?
0:16:27 > 0:16:29Well, yes, I do. And one of the reasons
0:16:29 > 0:16:33I think we can negotiate a good deal is because, actually,
0:16:33 > 0:16:35a good deal, in trade terms,
0:16:35 > 0:16:39is not just of benefit to the UK, it's of benefit to businesses
0:16:39 > 0:16:42in the remaining countries, remaining in the European Union.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45So this isn't just about us.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48It's actually about a relationship that matters to them as well
0:16:48 > 0:16:50as it matters to us.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53You over here, on the right.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55I'd like to pull you up on the comment about Diane Abbott's
0:16:55 > 0:16:58miscalculations that you made a few minutes ago.
0:16:58 > 0:17:00Cos Philip Hammond, who's Chancellor of the Exchequer
0:17:00 > 0:17:03got a £20 billion miscalculation a few weeks ago,
0:17:03 > 0:17:05so I think that's a bit rude of you.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08APPLAUSE
0:17:12 > 0:17:16Well, what I will say is this, as I said earlier on,
0:17:16 > 0:17:19Diane Abbott wants to be Home Secretary and she wants to
0:17:19 > 0:17:23wipe the records of criminals and terrorists from the DNA database.
0:17:23 > 0:17:27That would mean we could catch fewer criminals and fewer terrorists.
0:17:27 > 0:17:31OK, you, sir, here. The man in green.
0:17:31 > 0:17:38Talking about Brexit and Remainers, I think the voting 52% to 48%,
0:17:38 > 0:17:42I think you lack the confidence in asking the public, the electorate,
0:17:42 > 0:17:47one more time because the voting was so in the middle,
0:17:47 > 0:17:49what would the electorate want to do?
0:17:49 > 0:17:52I think Nigel Farage made a big mess.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56I think Michael Gove led the electorate the wrong way
0:17:56 > 0:17:58and Boris Johnson, they had buses,
0:17:58 > 0:18:02you know, pasted with "NHS, £350 million".
0:18:02 > 0:18:04We were all told lies.
0:18:04 > 0:18:06So even people who voted out,
0:18:06 > 0:18:08perhaps they should be given the second chance,
0:18:08 > 0:18:11so you should have the confidence to say, "Shall we have another vote?"
0:18:11 > 0:18:13Over... Over...
0:18:13 > 0:18:15GROANING
0:18:15 > 0:18:17Look, can I put it like this?
0:18:17 > 0:18:20Over the years, in the European Union,
0:18:20 > 0:18:23and its European Economic Community, there've been a number
0:18:23 > 0:18:27of occasions where referendums have been held in countries.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30There was one in Ireland, I think France is an example as well,
0:18:30 > 0:18:34where they voted against what the EU was suggesting.
0:18:34 > 0:18:37And basically, the bureaucrats and the EU politicians
0:18:37 > 0:18:39turned round to those countries and said,
0:18:39 > 0:18:41"You've got it wrong, have another vote.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44"We want you to come up with what we think is the right answer."
0:18:44 > 0:18:46Now we know how much it's going to cost.
0:18:46 > 0:18:48Sorry, you can come back in a minute.
0:18:48 > 0:18:52At that time, I think, collectively, people here in the UK said,
0:18:52 > 0:18:54"You know what? That's not the way to behave.
0:18:54 > 0:18:55"If the people have given their choice,
0:18:55 > 0:18:58"let's listen to the people and deliver it on it for them."
0:18:58 > 0:18:59On the wrong information.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02APPLAUSE
0:19:02 > 0:19:04- You, sir. - The wrong information.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07They weren't giving the right information to choose from.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09OK, you, sir.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12Earlier this week, Prime Minister, you said that you wanted the people
0:19:12 > 0:19:19of Britain to trust you with regards to Brexit and winning the election.
0:19:19 > 0:19:23How can the people trust you when your manifesto has not
0:19:23 > 0:19:27given them any detail as to figures or what you propose to do
0:19:27 > 0:19:29with other things in Government?
0:19:31 > 0:19:32Well, what my manifesto...
0:19:32 > 0:19:35APPLAUSE
0:19:35 > 0:19:37You're right, I use that word "trust"
0:19:37 > 0:19:40and I used it because that is actually what politicians,
0:19:40 > 0:19:44when we go out, when we ask people to vote for us, we are asking people
0:19:44 > 0:19:49to trust us in the role that we are being, want to be voted in to.
0:19:49 > 0:19:53And I....if I look at our manifesto,
0:19:53 > 0:19:57what our manifesto has done is to be open with people
0:19:57 > 0:20:02about the great challenges that we believe that this country faces
0:20:02 > 0:20:06and that need to be addressed by whoever is in Government.
0:20:06 > 0:20:07We've been open about that.
0:20:07 > 0:20:10I've also been open that there will be some hard choices
0:20:10 > 0:20:14to be made in addressing those various challenges.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17You talk about figures in our manifesto,
0:20:17 > 0:20:21of course, we already have budgets that have been set out in
0:20:21 > 0:20:25the Autumn Statement, as Government, and in the Spring Budget,
0:20:25 > 0:20:29and we've added some figures in various areas like our extra funding
0:20:29 > 0:20:32on the NHS and schools in the manifesto.
0:20:32 > 0:20:36But I think it's important that the next Government sets out for
0:20:36 > 0:20:40people the really big issues that are going to have to be addressed
0:20:40 > 0:20:44by whoever is in Government, and those are in our manifesto.
0:20:44 > 0:20:49The one thing that was missing from your manifesto and seemed to cause
0:20:49 > 0:20:52a panic in the Conservative Party was the figures on what happens
0:20:52 > 0:20:56to people who have to fund their care in old age
0:20:56 > 0:20:58and we have a question about it from Derek Griffin.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01Let's just have that, Mr Griffin.
0:21:01 > 0:21:03I'm just wondering, with regards to social care,
0:21:03 > 0:21:07you kind of spend your whole life obviously working hard
0:21:07 > 0:21:10to build up a nest egg and have a nice, little pension and savings
0:21:10 > 0:21:13so you can be comfortable in your later life after you've retired,
0:21:13 > 0:21:16but if it's all going to be taken away from you again,
0:21:16 > 0:21:19if care is needed, essentially,
0:21:19 > 0:21:21why should you even bother in the first place?
0:21:21 > 0:21:23And a reminder that your manifesto said
0:21:23 > 0:21:27£100,000 is all you would be left with.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30Well, the figure that you're left with at the moment is £23,000.
0:21:30 > 0:21:32So we're actually quadrupling that.
0:21:32 > 0:21:35You are sticking with £100,000?
0:21:35 > 0:21:37- Yes!- I thought you'd changed that?- No.
0:21:37 > 0:21:40Sorry, I thought you were going to have an upper limit?
0:21:40 > 0:21:42The £100,000 is a floor, David. There's a cap and a floor.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44Ah, but you didn't mention the cap in the manifesto.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47No, but you didn't mention it in the manifesto, that's the point.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- I will come on to that.- He's talking about the figures not being there.
0:21:49 > 0:21:51I will answer the question I was asked, if I may.
0:21:51 > 0:21:54Do it your own way. APPLAUSE
0:21:57 > 0:22:02If we look at the situation at the moment, if you need care
0:22:02 > 0:22:05then if you've got more than £23,000 in savings,
0:22:05 > 0:22:07you have to pay for that care.
0:22:07 > 0:22:08And if you need residential care,
0:22:08 > 0:22:11the value of your house will be taken into account.
0:22:11 > 0:22:15And so it's today that we see people sometimes having to sell
0:22:15 > 0:22:17their house in order to pay those bills.
0:22:17 > 0:22:21Now, what we say is that, under the system we introduce,
0:22:21 > 0:22:24which is important because we need a sustainable system for the future,
0:22:24 > 0:22:26given the ageing population.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29If we do nothing, our social care system will collapse.
0:22:29 > 0:22:33We say we will ensure that people are able to protect more of
0:22:33 > 0:22:35their savings, the £100,000.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38That they will also not have to sell their house
0:22:38 > 0:22:42during their lifetime to pay for their care bills.
0:22:42 > 0:22:45But I also wanted a system that was fair across the generations
0:22:45 > 0:22:47and I believe this is, too.
0:22:47 > 0:22:50We said in our manifesto we'd consult on the details.
0:22:50 > 0:22:53I heard the scaremongering that came out after our manifesto
0:22:53 > 0:23:00was published and I set out one of the details that,
0:23:00 > 0:23:03aspects that would have been in the consultation, which is about
0:23:03 > 0:23:05having a cap on the absolute level.
0:23:05 > 0:23:06So there's a floor of £100,000.
0:23:06 > 0:23:10You can protect £100,000 and we'll consult on what should be the
0:23:10 > 0:23:13cap of the - absolute cap - on the level of care costs.
0:23:13 > 0:23:15Funny thing to leave out the cap,
0:23:15 > 0:23:17cos it's rather important for people.
0:23:17 > 0:23:22£100,000 that you keep, but whether you get rid of half
0:23:22 > 0:23:26a million or £250,000 or that, the manifesto told you nothing.
0:23:26 > 0:23:28Then you suddenly said, "Oh, there will be a cap,
0:23:28 > 0:23:31"we won't charge you more than a certain amount."
0:23:31 > 0:23:32Odd to leave that out, wasn't it?"
0:23:32 > 0:23:34No, we set out the principles in our manifesto,
0:23:34 > 0:23:37which are the ones I've just set out in the answer,
0:23:37 > 0:23:41which is crucially that it's fair across the generations,
0:23:41 > 0:23:45that we enable people to have the knowledge and the comfort of
0:23:45 > 0:23:48knowing they won't have to sell their house in their lifetime
0:23:48 > 0:23:51- to pay for their care bills. - Barry wants to come back on it.
0:23:51 > 0:23:54Obviously, from a personal perspective,
0:23:54 > 0:23:56you're saying about the caps.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59Myself and my wife, for instance, we are actually both disabled.
0:23:59 > 0:24:01So, statistically, as we get older,
0:24:01 > 0:24:05we are maybe more likely to be the ones needing to use that care.
0:24:05 > 0:24:08So are there any kinds of safeguards or guarantees or something that
0:24:08 > 0:24:12we're not going to be left bankrupt in our retirement, basically,
0:24:12 > 0:24:15purely because of a condition we have no control over?
0:24:15 > 0:24:16Yes. Well, what I want to...
0:24:16 > 0:24:20APPLAUSE
0:24:22 > 0:24:25What I want to do, in relation to the details of
0:24:25 > 0:24:29the policy, how it actually works, including the level of the cap,
0:24:29 > 0:24:32is to consult, consult with people, consult with voters.
0:24:32 > 0:24:36Also consult with organisations, charities and others working
0:24:36 > 0:24:39with older people, so that we ensure that we get that right.
0:24:39 > 0:24:40And I think that's a fair way to do it
0:24:40 > 0:24:43rather than just producing a figure now.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46I think it's important to have that consultation.
0:24:46 > 0:24:48You, sir. APPLAUSE
0:24:48 > 0:24:53If you can tell us what the floor is now, why can't you tell us the cap?
0:24:53 > 0:24:55- APPLAUSE - Because...
0:24:55 > 0:24:58APPLAUSE
0:24:58 > 0:25:02Because we're talking about two different things, aren't we?
0:25:02 > 0:25:05On the floor, I think it's important that we give people
0:25:05 > 0:25:08the protection of their savings, which is greater than it is today.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11That's why we've set that figure at £100,000.
0:25:11 > 0:25:15But on the cap, as to where you set that figure as to the absolute
0:25:15 > 0:25:17figure that people pay, amount that people pay,
0:25:17 > 0:25:20I think it's right that we have that consultation.
0:25:20 > 0:25:23We will consult, as I've just said to Barry, with individuals,
0:25:23 > 0:25:28but also with organisations that deal with these issues,
0:25:28 > 0:25:30charities that work with older people, to make sure we get
0:25:30 > 0:25:32- that at the right level. - OK.
0:25:32 > 0:25:35Victoria Davey. Let's go on to another question.
0:25:35 > 0:25:36Sorry, yes, you.
0:25:36 > 0:25:37We had a cap of £79,000,
0:25:37 > 0:25:40why can't we at least start with something around that figure?
0:25:40 > 0:25:45In our manifesto we said we weren't following the Dilnot...
0:25:45 > 0:25:47Those are the Andrew Dilnot proposals.
0:25:47 > 0:25:49We weren't going to follow those Andrew Dilnot proposals
0:25:49 > 0:25:51and there were two reasons why.
0:25:51 > 0:25:54The first is that those tended to protect people who were
0:25:54 > 0:25:58wealthier but didn't protect people who were on modest incomes.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01And secondly it required payment out of taxation.
0:26:01 > 0:26:04And I actually think that if you're going to be fair across the
0:26:04 > 0:26:09generations, then we don't ask young people to be having their
0:26:09 > 0:26:13taxes increased in order to pay for the social care costs of
0:26:13 > 0:26:15somebody who may... people who may be sitting
0:26:15 > 0:26:17on a very significant value in their house.
0:26:17 > 0:26:20APPLAUSE
0:26:20 > 0:26:22Victoria Davey.
0:26:22 > 0:26:27Working as a nurse for 26 years, do the Tories expect our support
0:26:27 > 0:26:30in the light of another 1% pay increase?
0:26:30 > 0:26:35APPLAUSE
0:26:38 > 0:26:41What we're looking at, in terms of the National Health Service,
0:26:41 > 0:26:43and ensuring that we can provide
0:26:43 > 0:26:46the National Health Service in the future, is,
0:26:46 > 0:26:50if we just look at how much money is now being spent on the NHS,
0:26:50 > 0:26:53in the five years to 2020 we will be spending half a trillion pounds
0:26:53 > 0:26:55on the National Health Service.
0:26:55 > 0:26:58Now, we're putting more money in at the moment and we will continue
0:26:58 > 0:27:02to put more money in into the future into the NHS.
0:27:02 > 0:27:04Bu it is important that we recognise,
0:27:04 > 0:27:06as you will know as a nurse,
0:27:06 > 0:27:10the demands on the NHS are increasing all the time.
0:27:10 > 0:27:14We recognise the work that the NHS staff do, but...
0:27:14 > 0:27:17But nurses get paid less and less.
0:27:17 > 0:27:23- Nurses get an increase. Obviously some other payments as well.- No, no.
0:27:23 > 0:27:27A real terms decrease of 14% since 2010.
0:27:27 > 0:27:29So don't tell us we're getting a pay rise.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32Let the person sitting next to you say it, the nurse.
0:27:32 > 0:27:33I agree with that.
0:27:33 > 0:27:38My wage slips from 2009 reflect exactly what I'm earning today.
0:27:38 > 0:27:42So how can that be fair in light of the job that we actually do?
0:27:42 > 0:27:44And I recognise the job that you do.
0:27:44 > 0:27:47Then why hasn't it changed before now, then?
0:27:47 > 0:27:51We have had to take some hard choices across the public sector
0:27:51 > 0:27:53in relation to public sector pay restraint.
0:27:53 > 0:27:56We did that because of the decisions we had to take
0:27:56 > 0:27:58to bring public spending under control
0:27:58 > 0:28:01because it wasn't under control under the last Labour Government.
0:28:01 > 0:28:03And I'm being honest with you,
0:28:03 > 0:28:07in terms of saying that we will put more money into the NHS
0:28:07 > 0:28:09but there isn't a magic money tree that we can shake
0:28:09 > 0:28:12that suddenly provides for everything that people want.
0:28:13 > 0:28:14You come in on this.
0:28:16 > 0:28:20You say you'll cut, you're cutting NHS spending,
0:28:20 > 0:28:23but you also cut tax for the rich?
0:28:23 > 0:28:27APPLAUSE
0:28:31 > 0:28:35We're not actually cutting NHS spending, we're putting in fact
0:28:35 > 0:28:39record levels of funding overall into the National Health Service
0:28:39 > 0:28:41and we will continue to increase the funding
0:28:41 > 0:28:44for the National Health Service in government.
0:28:44 > 0:28:48But other countries spend way more on their health service than we do,
0:28:48 > 0:28:51but we're giving it out for free.
0:28:51 > 0:28:54So why are we spending less?
0:28:54 > 0:28:56Well, it's not... I mean, the figures do vary,
0:28:56 > 0:28:57but actually it's not the case
0:28:57 > 0:28:59that all other countries are spending more money
0:28:59 > 0:29:01on their NHS than we are.
0:29:01 > 0:29:04We are putting more funding into the NHS.
0:29:04 > 0:29:07We're putting and we will continue to do that.
0:29:07 > 0:29:09But I also want to do some other things in relation to the NHS.
0:29:09 > 0:29:14We have put into a requirement that mental health should be given
0:29:14 > 0:29:18parity of esteem with physical health in the NHS.
0:29:18 > 0:29:19I think there's...
0:29:19 > 0:29:21More money's going into it, but there's more for us to do.
0:29:21 > 0:29:24In our manifesto, we've set out a whole package
0:29:24 > 0:29:26of what we can do on mental health.
0:29:26 > 0:29:29It's not just about the money that's going into the NHS,
0:29:29 > 0:29:32which will increase, it's about ensuring that we're dealing
0:29:32 > 0:29:34and addressing the issues we need to.
0:29:34 > 0:29:36And I think mental health is something
0:29:36 > 0:29:37that's been put to one side for too long
0:29:37 > 0:29:39and not been given the attention it deserves.
0:29:39 > 0:29:41Going back to the nurses just for a moment,
0:29:41 > 0:29:45do you think it's fair that the nurses get just the 1% increase
0:29:45 > 0:29:48year in, year out, regardless of inflation,
0:29:48 > 0:29:51so they get poorer, so some of them, we're told, go to food banks?
0:29:51 > 0:29:55Is that fair, do you feel, do you sleep happy at that?
0:29:55 > 0:29:58The public sector has been restrained
0:29:58 > 0:29:59in its pay to 1% increase.
0:29:59 > 0:30:03Of course, there will be those working within the NHS,
0:30:03 > 0:30:06nurses and others, who will get progression pay increases.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09Are they not a special case, compared...
0:30:09 > 0:30:10Are they not a special case, nurses,
0:30:10 > 0:30:13compared with other people in the public sector?
0:30:13 > 0:30:17Well, people in the public sector across all sorts of services
0:30:17 > 0:30:22are working very hard on some jobs that we want them to do because they
0:30:22 > 0:30:28are about looking after us, about protecting us, about caring for us.
0:30:28 > 0:30:31But we have to look at public sector spending.
0:30:31 > 0:30:34We have to make sure that we're managing our money carefully
0:30:34 > 0:30:36because, at the end of the day, as I say,
0:30:36 > 0:30:39there isn't a magic money tree that suddenly delivers all the money
0:30:39 > 0:30:41everybody wants for the spending everybody wants.
0:30:41 > 0:30:44You may hear later on that you can ask for anything
0:30:44 > 0:30:45that you want to have money spent on.
0:30:45 > 0:30:48But actually, you can't. It's not there.
0:30:48 > 0:30:51We have to ensure we manage your money, taxpayers' money, carefully.
0:30:51 > 0:30:55There are a lot of hands up, so I'll go to you, sir, first.
0:30:55 > 0:30:56And then...
0:30:56 > 0:30:59You mentioned mental health there. I'm just wondering,
0:30:59 > 0:31:03does that include the work capability assessment
0:31:03 > 0:31:06- with the mental health as well? - It's...
0:31:06 > 0:31:10- Because I've just recently failed that assessment.- So have I.
0:31:10 > 0:31:13Just through mental health.
0:31:13 > 0:31:14There's a number of things we want to do.
0:31:14 > 0:31:16Hold on. You say your bit, too.
0:31:16 > 0:31:18- You're sitting together by chance? - By chance.- By chance.
0:31:18 > 0:31:21OK, well, say what you were going to say, then. Go on.
0:31:21 > 0:31:24Basically, again on mental health, I agree, it's so important.
0:31:24 > 0:31:28The NHS is an absolute shambles for mental health at the moment.
0:31:28 > 0:31:34I applied for NHS counselling about, I think, probably the end of 2015.
0:31:34 > 0:31:37- My first appointment is next Tuesday.- Yes.
0:31:37 > 0:31:39My first appointment is next Tuesday.
0:31:39 > 0:31:41I've been waiting a year-and-a-half for this
0:31:41 > 0:31:44and I have suffered so much over that year,
0:31:44 > 0:31:46in part because of the work capability assessment.
0:31:46 > 0:31:47APPLAUSE
0:31:47 > 0:31:48And let me tell you...
0:31:50 > 0:31:54Let me tell you, I'm partially sighted as well.
0:31:54 > 0:31:56I'm partially sighted, I have mental health problems
0:31:56 > 0:32:00and also I have other issues, jaw issues,
0:32:00 > 0:32:03and I went into my assessment and I was asked in detail
0:32:03 > 0:32:06about suicide attempts and I came out crying
0:32:06 > 0:32:10because I was so upset because of the way I was treated by that nurse.
0:32:10 > 0:32:14And she came out after me - she'd forgotten to measure my eyesight.
0:32:14 > 0:32:16I'm partially sighted.
0:32:16 > 0:32:19She found time to, you know, insult me, basically,
0:32:19 > 0:32:22- by asking for all these upsetting details.- All right.
0:32:22 > 0:32:25Let the Prime Minister answer.
0:32:25 > 0:32:29I'm not going to make any excuses for the experience that you've had.
0:32:29 > 0:32:31That's why I think it is so important
0:32:31 > 0:32:33that we actually do deal with mental health.
0:32:33 > 0:32:36Both of you have raised two different issues.
0:32:36 > 0:32:39One is how we deal with mental health issues in the health service,
0:32:39 > 0:32:41and the other is actually the work capability assessment.
0:32:41 > 0:32:44And this is something where we are...
0:32:44 > 0:32:48We do look at improving how that assessment has taken place.
0:32:48 > 0:32:53But I know your... I know the issue of mental health is a particularly
0:32:53 > 0:32:58difficult one to address in term of those work capability assessments.
0:32:58 > 0:32:59On the National Health Service,
0:32:59 > 0:33:01and the other things we want to do with mental health,
0:33:01 > 0:33:05one of the things I want to do is ensure better support in schools
0:33:05 > 0:33:09so that we have individual members of staff trained in schools
0:33:09 > 0:33:13who are able to better identify mental health problems
0:33:13 > 0:33:15and then know how to address them.
0:33:15 > 0:33:19And I was talking to a young woman only at the turn of the year
0:33:19 > 0:33:24who, in school, said nobody had really known what to do
0:33:24 > 0:33:26because of her mental health problems.
0:33:26 > 0:33:28So she'd suffered as a result.
0:33:28 > 0:33:31If we can give people the support they need at an earlier stage,
0:33:31 > 0:33:33it's better for everybody.
0:33:33 > 0:33:37But as I say, I make no excuses for the experience that you had.
0:33:37 > 0:33:40All right. The woman in orange. I'm sorry, we've got to go on
0:33:40 > 0:33:43cos we've only got ten more minutes with the Prime Minister. Yes.
0:33:43 > 0:33:46I think it's fair to say that mental health funding is one of your
0:33:46 > 0:33:48soundbites whenever people ask you about the NHS,
0:33:48 > 0:33:50but it really concerned me a couple of weeks ago,
0:33:50 > 0:33:52you were filmed when a lady
0:33:52 > 0:33:55challenged you about her benefits for learning difficulties,
0:33:55 > 0:33:57you turned around and gave an answer about mental health funding
0:33:57 > 0:33:59and it really concerned me that
0:33:59 > 0:34:01the Prime Minister and potential future Prime Minister of the UK
0:34:01 > 0:34:04apparently doesn't understand the difference between
0:34:04 > 0:34:06a learning disability and a mental health condition.
0:34:06 > 0:34:08APPLAUSE DROWNS OUT SPEECH
0:34:11 > 0:34:14In fact, when the lady first spoke to me, she talked about learning
0:34:14 > 0:34:16disabilities AND mental health.
0:34:16 > 0:34:18She'd actually raised mental health herself.
0:34:18 > 0:34:21But I recognise that the particular issue she had
0:34:21 > 0:34:22was about learning disabilities.
0:34:22 > 0:34:26But this is... Both of these are areas where we need to ensure
0:34:26 > 0:34:31that we've got the ability for people's needs to be identified
0:34:31 > 0:34:33at as early a stage as possible
0:34:33 > 0:34:35and then the support goes in.
0:34:35 > 0:34:37Obviously, all the evidence is,
0:34:37 > 0:34:39the earlier you can get that support to somebody,
0:34:39 > 0:34:41the earlier you can identify an issue,
0:34:41 > 0:34:44then the better it is for that individual,
0:34:44 > 0:34:48but also the better it will be for the rest of their lives.
0:34:48 > 0:34:50That's why on the mental health front, as I say,
0:34:50 > 0:34:53I'm so keen to ensure that we get more support, in terms of training
0:34:53 > 0:34:58in schools. There are other things I want to do as well,
0:34:58 > 0:35:01including in the work place, actually, because too often
0:35:01 > 0:35:04I think there is discrimination in relation to mental health
0:35:04 > 0:35:06in the work place so I want to...
0:35:06 > 0:35:08I'm going to bring in a new Mental Health Act,
0:35:08 > 0:35:10scrap the old Mental Health Act,
0:35:10 > 0:35:13but also change the equalities legislation so that discrimination
0:35:13 > 0:35:17on mental health will not be possible in the workplace.
0:35:17 > 0:35:18Robert Waite, let's have your question.
0:35:18 > 0:35:20Robert Waite, please.
0:35:20 > 0:35:25I will be voting Tory, but I'm not happy with the foreign aid budget,
0:35:25 > 0:35:28and especially why we are giving money to North Korea?
0:35:28 > 0:35:30Can you explain that, please?
0:35:30 > 0:35:32- Well, we... - APPLAUSE
0:35:36 > 0:35:40I think the commitment we've given on the foreign aid budget
0:35:40 > 0:35:41is an important one,
0:35:41 > 0:35:44and I think it's an important one for two reasons.
0:35:44 > 0:35:48First of all, we are one of the...
0:35:48 > 0:35:49We're the fastest growing,
0:35:49 > 0:35:52second fastest growing economy in the G7 last year,
0:35:52 > 0:35:55we are one of the most significant economies in the world.
0:35:55 > 0:35:59I think it's right that we say that we help those people
0:35:59 > 0:36:03who are less well off than we are in those developing countries.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05There are millions of children,
0:36:05 > 0:36:08millions of girls, being educated today,
0:36:08 > 0:36:11who would not be educated were it not for the foreign aid money
0:36:11 > 0:36:13that we're giving.
0:36:13 > 0:36:15But it's also about something else
0:36:15 > 0:36:17because it means that in certain states
0:36:17 > 0:36:21it's possible to help to develop the economy,
0:36:21 > 0:36:24the governance of that state, and that is of benefit to us
0:36:24 > 0:36:28in protecting us as a United Kingdom for a whole range of reasons.
0:36:28 > 0:36:32If we can stabilise some certain countries, then that's going to be
0:36:32 > 0:36:36better for us both in terms of security, for example.
0:36:36 > 0:36:37Robert, do you want to come back?
0:36:37 > 0:36:41We do look very carefully at individual countries and payments.
0:36:41 > 0:36:42But North Korea.
0:36:42 > 0:36:44SOME LAUGHTER
0:36:44 > 0:36:47That is one of the worst places going, surely.
0:36:47 > 0:36:51It is not somewhere that...
0:36:51 > 0:36:52I would...
0:36:52 > 0:36:57suggest that is somewhere that one holds out as a paragon of virtue.
0:36:57 > 0:37:00I think what the DPRK, what North Korea has been doing
0:37:00 > 0:37:03in terms of its missiles and its nuclear situation...
0:37:03 > 0:37:07And, you know, we had another ballistic missile test only
0:37:07 > 0:37:11a few days ago. We're clear that we want to see those changes in
0:37:11 > 0:37:15North Korea. I think it's important for China to be influencing those.
0:37:15 > 0:37:17Does the aid budget go to North Korea?
0:37:17 > 0:37:19Does North Korea receive money from the aid budget?
0:37:19 > 0:37:21The gentleman has suggested that it did.
0:37:21 > 0:37:23I don't know the details of that.
0:37:23 > 0:37:25About £4 million in 2015.
0:37:26 > 0:37:31- £4 million?- Yeah.- OK. You, sir, in the red and white checked shirt.
0:37:31 > 0:37:34So you're the Prime Minister of the country and you don't know
0:37:34 > 0:37:36where that foreign aid is going to,
0:37:36 > 0:37:37whether it's going to the government
0:37:37 > 0:37:39or it's actually going to benefit its people?
0:37:39 > 0:37:43If we are putting money into... When we put money into countries,
0:37:43 > 0:37:47we change the way that we spend the foreign aid budget.
0:37:47 > 0:37:49In the past, foreign aid budget
0:37:49 > 0:37:51was all too often just given to governments
0:37:51 > 0:37:55and you know the stories in the past of the way the money was then spent.
0:37:55 > 0:37:58So we work through NGOs. We work
0:37:58 > 0:38:01through organisations that are helping people, so money
0:38:01 > 0:38:02that we put into countries
0:38:02 > 0:38:07is targeted on things like education, on health,
0:38:07 > 0:38:08on welfare of people,
0:38:08 > 0:38:12on support for the people who are the most vulnerable.
0:38:12 > 0:38:14OK. Brief one from you, sir.
0:38:14 > 0:38:16You spoke earlier of foreign aid money.
0:38:16 > 0:38:22Can you explain why it is that a great deal more of our largesse
0:38:22 > 0:38:24that goes to the rest of world
0:38:24 > 0:38:30is not in the form of British manufactures rather than of cash?
0:38:30 > 0:38:34It's much easier to avoid having a field hospital pocketed
0:38:34 > 0:38:38than it is a few million of cash
0:38:38 > 0:38:42and it's also the case that if this money fed its way
0:38:42 > 0:38:44through British manufacturing and provided British jobs,
0:38:44 > 0:38:46there would be much less contention
0:38:46 > 0:38:48concerning the sums of money given away.
0:38:48 > 0:38:51- Can you answer briefly?- Yes.
0:38:51 > 0:38:52APPLAUSE
0:38:52 > 0:38:55First of all, some of money we're talking about
0:38:55 > 0:38:56is not about buying kit in the sense of
0:38:56 > 0:38:58things that would be manufactured here.
0:38:58 > 0:39:01I've just said, if you're talking about education,
0:39:01 > 0:39:05it's about providing the facilities where children who would not
0:39:05 > 0:39:08otherwise be educated are being educated.
0:39:08 > 0:39:13But we do give support to countries in ways other than just the money.
0:39:13 > 0:39:16So there are some countries where we are, indeed, our military are
0:39:16 > 0:39:18working on things like field hospitals
0:39:18 > 0:39:20and providing those directly.
0:39:20 > 0:39:23If we want to improve British manufacturing around the world,
0:39:23 > 0:39:28that's why I want to ensure we get good trade agreements around
0:39:28 > 0:39:30the whole of the world when we leave the European Union.
0:39:30 > 0:39:33APPLAUSE OK, Sally Jones, please.
0:39:33 > 0:39:34Sally Jones.
0:39:37 > 0:39:39Yes, fire away.
0:39:39 > 0:39:42State schools are underfunded and teachers are overworked.
0:39:42 > 0:39:46Why are you putting money into grammar schools when state schools
0:39:46 > 0:39:48are beneficial to all abilities?
0:39:48 > 0:39:49OK, why...? APPLAUSE
0:39:54 > 0:39:57Stick with the grammar schools issue.
0:39:57 > 0:39:59Sally, what we're doing,
0:39:59 > 0:40:01the grammar schools will be within the state sector.
0:40:01 > 0:40:06They might be free schools, they might be other types of schools.
0:40:06 > 0:40:10We want a diversity of education, because education is so important.
0:40:10 > 0:40:14I want every youngster to get the best possible start in life and that
0:40:14 > 0:40:18means every youngster getting the education that is right for them.
0:40:18 > 0:40:20We are actually putting more money...
0:40:20 > 0:40:22You said we're putting money
0:40:22 > 0:40:24into the possibility for grammar schools to be set up.
0:40:24 > 0:40:27Yes, but we're also increasing the overall amount of money
0:40:27 > 0:40:30that goes into schools and ensuring there's a fairer
0:40:30 > 0:40:33distribution of that money across the country.
0:40:33 > 0:40:35But I believe it's important that
0:40:35 > 0:40:37if we know that there are good schools out there...
0:40:37 > 0:40:40At the moment we have a law that says you can't set up any more
0:40:40 > 0:40:43of these types of schools, despite the fact that they're good.
0:40:43 > 0:40:47I think that's wrong. I think we should allow new grammar schools
0:40:47 > 0:40:50to be set up so we ensure every child gets the education
0:40:50 > 0:40:53that's right for them and the best possible start in life.
0:40:53 > 0:40:56The woman there. APPLAUSE
0:40:56 > 0:40:58In the school that I work in,
0:40:58 > 0:41:01by 2020, every single child in that school
0:41:01 > 0:41:07will receive £898 per year less
0:41:07 > 0:41:10than under a Labour Government in 2020.
0:41:10 > 0:41:13My question to you is why do you care less about the children
0:41:13 > 0:41:16- than a Labour Government?- I don't care less about the children.
0:41:16 > 0:41:18APPLAUSE
0:41:21 > 0:41:24- £898...- I don't...- OK. - ..per child...
0:41:24 > 0:41:29You're saying the per child, per pupil spending has fallen.
0:41:29 > 0:41:30..per annum, by 2020.
0:41:30 > 0:41:32- Not the overall figure but how much you get.- £898.
0:41:32 > 0:41:35OK, you made the point. Let the Prime Minister answer.
0:41:35 > 0:41:38There are two things I want to do because I do care about education.
0:41:38 > 0:41:41As I have said in response to Sally, I think it is so important
0:41:41 > 0:41:43for every youngster to get the best start in life.
0:41:43 > 0:41:47That's why we will be putting more money overall into the schools,
0:41:47 > 0:41:49we'll be ensuring the pupil premium
0:41:49 > 0:41:52is there for those children who are disadvantaged,
0:41:52 > 0:41:54but we will also ensure that there is a fairer distribution
0:41:54 > 0:41:57of school funding because, at the moment, as you probably know,
0:41:57 > 0:42:00there are some schools that get twice the amount of money per pupil
0:42:00 > 0:42:03than other schools in other parts of the country.
0:42:03 > 0:42:07I want to see a fairer system of funding and, in doing that,
0:42:07 > 0:42:09we will make sure that no school sees a budget cut
0:42:09 > 0:42:12when that fairer funding is introduced.
0:42:12 > 0:42:15But getting a good quality education isn't just about the money going
0:42:15 > 0:42:19into schools. It's about ensuring that we're encouraging people
0:42:19 > 0:42:21to come into the teaching profession.
0:42:21 > 0:42:24So we're going to give student loan forgiveness to people who come into
0:42:24 > 0:42:25teaching and stay in teaching.
0:42:25 > 0:42:27It's about a diversity of types of school.
0:42:27 > 0:42:30So we see innovation and creativity in education,
0:42:30 > 0:42:35so we genuinely can say in this country that how far you go in life
0:42:35 > 0:42:38depends not on where you come from or who your parents are,
0:42:38 > 0:42:41but it depends on your talents and abilities
0:42:41 > 0:42:43and your willingness to work hard.
0:42:43 > 0:42:45OK. APPLAUSE
0:42:45 > 0:42:47We've got a couple of minutes left. Mandy Holder.
0:42:47 > 0:42:49Mandy Holder, let's have your question.
0:42:50 > 0:42:54Why haven't you signed a letter to Donald Trump, condemning his
0:42:54 > 0:42:58decision to pull out of the Paris Climate Change Agreement?
0:42:58 > 0:42:59Something which... APPLAUSE
0:43:04 > 0:43:07Something which the presidents of Germany and France
0:43:07 > 0:43:08and Italy have done.
0:43:08 > 0:43:11Yes, and I haven't because I actually have spoken to Donald Trump
0:43:11 > 0:43:15and told him the UK believes in the Paris Agreement
0:43:15 > 0:43:18and that we didn't want the United States to leave the Paris Agreement.
0:43:18 > 0:43:21The G7 leaders sat round the table last week
0:43:21 > 0:43:24and spoke to, and told Donald Trump,
0:43:24 > 0:43:27the six of us told him that we believed the Paris Agreement was
0:43:27 > 0:43:31an important international agreement on climate change, that we wanted
0:43:31 > 0:43:33the United States to stay in it.
0:43:33 > 0:43:36I've spoken to him. I spoke to him last night about this.
0:43:36 > 0:43:39- What did he say?- Canada and Japan haven't signed the letter either.
0:43:39 > 0:43:41- What did he say?- What did he say?
0:43:41 > 0:43:44He says he's taken the decision because he thinks it's in
0:43:44 > 0:43:46the best interests of America.
0:43:46 > 0:43:48I say that the Paris Agreement
0:43:48 > 0:43:50actually is important for us globally
0:43:50 > 0:43:52in terms of dealing with climate change.
0:43:52 > 0:43:54That's why the UK supported it
0:43:54 > 0:43:56and it's why the UK is continuing to support it.
0:43:56 > 0:44:00You're negotiating our departure from the EU.
0:44:00 > 0:44:03Wouldn't it have been sensible and prudent
0:44:03 > 0:44:05to go along with France and Germany and Italy,
0:44:05 > 0:44:08and sign a letter to Donald Trump, instead of it being released
0:44:08 > 0:44:11that you just said you were disappointed by his decision?
0:44:11 > 0:44:12It's not a question of
0:44:12 > 0:44:15whether or not we should go along with somebody else, David.
0:44:15 > 0:44:17We take independent decisions as the UK.
0:44:17 > 0:44:18I spoke to Donald Trump,
0:44:18 > 0:44:21I've told him my views from the UK's position last week,
0:44:21 > 0:44:23I told him last night what our views are -
0:44:23 > 0:44:26we remain committed to the Paris Agreement,
0:44:26 > 0:44:28we continue to think it's important
0:44:28 > 0:44:30for dealing with climate change internationally.
0:44:30 > 0:44:33Well, that, I'm afraid, ends the first half of this programme.
0:44:33 > 0:44:34Prime Minister, thank you very much.
0:44:34 > 0:44:37Thank you very much, David. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.
0:44:37 > 0:44:39APPLAUSE
0:44:46 > 0:44:48And now, would you please welcome
0:44:48 > 0:44:51the Leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn?
0:44:51 > 0:44:53APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:45:06 > 0:45:08Good evening. Good evening, Mr Corbyn.
0:45:08 > 0:45:11Our first question to you comes from Ciaran Hepworth, please.
0:45:13 > 0:45:15Why should the British public
0:45:15 > 0:45:18trust you and your peers to negotiate Brexit?
0:45:18 > 0:45:19Why should the British public
0:45:19 > 0:45:22trust you and your peers to negotiate Brexit?
0:45:22 > 0:45:24Thank you for inviting me here tonight.
0:45:24 > 0:45:27I'm very sorry this is not a debate, this is a series of questions.
0:45:27 > 0:45:29I think it's a shame the Prime Minister
0:45:29 > 0:45:31hasn't taken part in a debate.
0:45:31 > 0:45:32APPLAUSE
0:45:34 > 0:45:38We're very clear on Brexit.
0:45:38 > 0:45:40A referendum took place, a decision was reached,
0:45:40 > 0:45:42we're leaving the European Union.
0:45:42 > 0:45:47Secondly, we will immediately legislate in office to guarantee
0:45:47 > 0:45:50rights of EU nationals to remain in this country.
0:45:50 > 0:45:54Secondly, we will negotiate with the European Union to guarantee
0:45:54 > 0:45:58trade access to the European markets and protection of the conditions
0:45:58 > 0:46:00that we've achieved through EU membership
0:46:00 > 0:46:03because it's crucial to protect our manufacturing industry.
0:46:03 > 0:46:07Your point about our negotiating team - we have a great team.
0:46:07 > 0:46:09We have a great team of very experienced people.
0:46:09 > 0:46:13Keir Starmer is one of the leading lawyers of this country.
0:46:13 > 0:46:15I think I can trust Keir Starmer with negotiations
0:46:15 > 0:46:19more than some other people who are undertaking those negotiations.
0:46:19 > 0:46:20APPLAUSE
0:46:23 > 0:46:25On Question Time last night,
0:46:25 > 0:46:28your International Trade Secretary, Barry Gardiner,
0:46:28 > 0:46:31said that Britain would absolutely - "absolutely" was his word -
0:46:31 > 0:46:35be poorer after leaving the EU. Do you agree with that?
0:46:35 > 0:46:37I don't think we necessarily would be poorer.
0:46:37 > 0:46:41I hope that we will retain, as I said, the trade access and
0:46:41 > 0:46:45I hope also that we will have a Labour Government that will be
0:46:45 > 0:46:48investing in a growing economy in this country
0:46:48 > 0:46:51and challenging the terrible levels of inequality that exist
0:46:51 > 0:46:53in this country at the same time.
0:46:53 > 0:46:54You, sir.
0:46:54 > 0:46:58David Cameron went to the EU and asked for a few concessions.
0:46:58 > 0:47:02He got nothing because they knew that he would stay,
0:47:02 > 0:47:05he would want to stay in the EU.
0:47:05 > 0:47:08If the EU understands your position,
0:47:08 > 0:47:12that no deal is a bad deal,
0:47:12 > 0:47:14then you've got no chance.
0:47:14 > 0:47:15APPLAUSE
0:47:17 > 0:47:20I've made it very clear we accept the results of the referendum.
0:47:20 > 0:47:23I think it's important to go from that point.
0:47:23 > 0:47:26I've made the point also about the need for trade access
0:47:26 > 0:47:29to the European Union and there is, of course, an interest in that
0:47:29 > 0:47:31on both sides of the Channel.
0:47:31 > 0:47:34Most of our big manufacturing companies have supply chains here
0:47:34 > 0:47:37and in Europe and vice versa. There is a mutual interest in this.
0:47:37 > 0:47:40But we're not approaching these negotiations by
0:47:40 > 0:47:44threatening Europe with setting up some kind of low-tax haven
0:47:44 > 0:47:46for big corporations in this country.
0:47:46 > 0:47:50We're instead saying we want to continue that trading relationship
0:47:50 > 0:47:52outside the European Union,
0:47:52 > 0:47:56but I think a sensible relationship with them is very important.
0:47:56 > 0:48:00I will approach those negotiations to build up a trust
0:48:00 > 0:48:03which gives us that sensible relationship in the future.
0:48:03 > 0:48:05What... APPLAUSE
0:48:07 > 0:48:12What exactly do you think the British people meant,
0:48:12 > 0:48:14who voted to leave,
0:48:14 > 0:48:17and what do you understand by "leave the EU"?
0:48:17 > 0:48:19What does it actually mean to you to leave the EU?
0:48:19 > 0:48:22What is it that matters in that?
0:48:22 > 0:48:25Leaving the European Union means we withdraw from the Treaty of Rome,
0:48:25 > 0:48:27we withdraw from the 1972 decision that was made
0:48:27 > 0:48:29by the British Government at that time
0:48:29 > 0:48:31to join with the European Union.
0:48:31 > 0:48:36It means that there is no longer a legislative authority over UK law
0:48:36 > 0:48:40within the EU or a parliamentary consent for it.
0:48:40 > 0:48:43It means we have to have an independent and separate
0:48:43 > 0:48:45relationship with the European Union
0:48:45 > 0:48:48and I think we've got two years to negotiate it and I can't wait
0:48:48 > 0:48:53to get started to make sure that we do retain manufacturing industry
0:48:53 > 0:48:56and service industry jobs in Britain that are so essential
0:48:56 > 0:48:59to our economy and our economic growth.
0:48:59 > 0:49:01- But threatening will not work. - Is your aim to remain...
0:49:01 > 0:49:03APPLAUSE
0:49:03 > 0:49:05Is your aim to remain in the single market?
0:49:05 > 0:49:06Do you think that's possible?
0:49:06 > 0:49:10Our aim is to have tariff-free trade access to Europe.
0:49:10 > 0:49:12I think we should put it in those terms
0:49:12 > 0:49:14rather than anything else at this stage.
0:49:14 > 0:49:17OK. You, sir, over there, the far side.
0:49:17 > 0:49:18No, the man over there.
0:49:18 > 0:49:21That's it. Cos he's spoken already.
0:49:21 > 0:49:22Thank you.
0:49:22 > 0:49:29Will you rule out doing a deal with Nicola Sturgeon in the event of
0:49:29 > 0:49:34a hung Parliament, because you will be negotiating,
0:49:34 > 0:49:39as you would expect, with the EU at that time?
0:49:40 > 0:49:43We are fighting this election to win
0:49:43 > 0:49:45and we're mounting a fantastic campaign
0:49:45 > 0:49:47in order to get that message across
0:49:47 > 0:49:51of how different our society and our politics could be.
0:49:51 > 0:49:53We are contesting all the constituencies.
0:49:53 > 0:49:57We are not looking to do deals with anybody.
0:49:57 > 0:49:59We are not forming a coalition government.
0:49:59 > 0:50:03I want to form a Labour Government with a majority to carry out this
0:50:03 > 0:50:07amazing programme which can give so much hope and opportunity
0:50:07 > 0:50:08to so many people.
0:50:08 > 0:50:10APPLAUSE
0:50:10 > 0:50:12- Thank you.- So, no deals.
0:50:12 > 0:50:14That was the answer I expected
0:50:14 > 0:50:17but it is wasn't the answer to my question.
0:50:17 > 0:50:19I thought your question...
0:50:19 > 0:50:23I thought your question was about deals and I said no deals.
0:50:23 > 0:50:25OK. I'm going to go to somebody else.
0:50:25 > 0:50:28You, sir, there, in the blue shirt.
0:50:28 > 0:50:30Given the absence of the European Court of Justice,
0:50:30 > 0:50:34how will you uphold government accountability post-Brexit?
0:50:34 > 0:50:36On environmental issues, for example.
0:50:36 > 0:50:38Air pollution, we're already breaching limits.
0:50:38 > 0:50:41The European Court of Justice holds us to account.
0:50:41 > 0:50:43What will happen when we leave the EU?
0:50:43 > 0:50:48I want to ensure the environmental protocols are adopted into UK law.
0:50:48 > 0:50:50I think it's very important to do that.
0:50:50 > 0:50:54It's also absolutely crucial for the future of all of us
0:50:54 > 0:50:57that we have agreements with all of Europe,
0:50:57 > 0:51:02be they part of the EU or not, on air pollution, on air quality,
0:51:02 > 0:51:05on sea pollution and protection of our seas
0:51:05 > 0:51:07and our natural environment.
0:51:07 > 0:51:09I'm very determined to achieve that.
0:51:09 > 0:51:11Since you raise the subject,
0:51:11 > 0:51:14I utterly deplore Donald Trump's decision to withdraw from
0:51:14 > 0:51:15the Paris Climate Change.
0:51:15 > 0:51:17I would sign a letter with any other leader
0:51:17 > 0:51:19that would deplore that straight away.
0:51:19 > 0:51:20APPLAUSE
0:51:23 > 0:51:27Let's come home for a moment.
0:51:27 > 0:51:29Steve Rudd, let's have your question, please.
0:51:29 > 0:51:30- Steve Rudd.- Hi, Steve.
0:51:30 > 0:51:34Good evening. I run a small, local business.
0:51:34 > 0:51:39I'm faced with the possibility of higher corporation tax rates.
0:51:39 > 0:51:42Obviously we've alluded to the uncertainty that Brexit will create
0:51:42 > 0:51:44over the next couple of years.
0:51:44 > 0:51:47Today you've talked about creating jobs.
0:51:47 > 0:51:50I just wonder how I can have confidence that those jobs,
0:51:50 > 0:51:53well, that I, as a small business, can create those jobs?
0:51:53 > 0:51:58- I don't know how big your small business is.- It's a micro business.
0:51:58 > 0:52:01- This big, that big? - I employ five people.
0:52:01 > 0:52:04- It's a small business, but it could grow.- Good. Let's hope it does grow.
0:52:04 > 0:52:07But it can't grow in in uncertain times, that's the problem.
0:52:07 > 0:52:08- Absolutely.- Just specify again,
0:52:08 > 0:52:12what are your problems with the proposals that Labour is making?
0:52:12 > 0:52:15Well, obviously it's the rise in corporation tax,
0:52:15 > 0:52:18it's the uncertainty of Brexit and the outcome from Brexit.
0:52:18 > 0:52:21It's planning ahead, basically, my problem is.
0:52:21 > 0:52:24- OK.- And obviously we've got the personal taxation issues
0:52:24 > 0:52:28that create other issues further down the line.
0:52:28 > 0:52:31I'm sure you recognise there are huge problems in the funding
0:52:31 > 0:52:33of our public services - health, education -
0:52:33 > 0:52:36and these have to be addressed and dealt with.
0:52:36 > 0:52:39We have a fully costed and fully funded manifesto here.
0:52:39 > 0:52:41That will cost, yes,
0:52:41 > 0:52:48and we will raise corporation tax up to 26p by the end of the parliament.
0:52:48 > 0:52:51That will be actually 2% lower than it was in 2010
0:52:51 > 0:52:54and will actually be less than the G7 average.
0:52:54 > 0:52:57What it will also do is not raise corporation tax
0:52:57 > 0:53:00for small and medium businesses by that amount.
0:53:00 > 0:53:02Some will have no rise whatsoever.
0:53:02 > 0:53:06We have had very interesting and very good discussions with
0:53:06 > 0:53:09a lot of small businesses about their problems of accessing capital,
0:53:09 > 0:53:10their problems of growing
0:53:10 > 0:53:13because banks don't like them and aren't interested in them,
0:53:13 > 0:53:16and the need to have an investment strategy for this country.
0:53:16 > 0:53:19So on top of that, we will also be forming
0:53:19 > 0:53:21a national investment bank to improve infrastructure
0:53:21 > 0:53:26all across the country and develop new, high technology industries
0:53:26 > 0:53:28which, I think, are the future of this country.
0:53:28 > 0:53:34Unharness... Let the people with the skills actually develop the jobs
0:53:34 > 0:53:36and develop the industries in this country.
0:53:36 > 0:53:39So, yes, we are asking the very biggest corporations
0:53:39 > 0:53:43to pay a bit more, but I tell you what, I think it's worth it.
0:53:43 > 0:53:46It's worth it so that any young person can go to university
0:53:46 > 0:53:47and not leave with debt.
0:53:47 > 0:53:51It's worth it to make sure school head teachers don't have to collect
0:53:51 > 0:53:54at the school gate in order to pay the teachers' salaries.
0:53:54 > 0:53:56I think it's worth it for a better society
0:53:56 > 0:53:58in which everyone can achieve something.
0:53:58 > 0:54:00OK. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:54:06 > 0:54:09- Jack Rowse, please. - Just to come back to you.
0:54:09 > 0:54:12I'm also working... I'm linked to an accountancy firm.
0:54:12 > 0:54:14So we obviously deal with larger businesses as well
0:54:14 > 0:54:17as potential clients and existing clients.
0:54:17 > 0:54:21My choice, basically, and the choice of my clients,
0:54:21 > 0:54:24is a Conservative Government and a Labour Government
0:54:24 > 0:54:28and the difference, as you say, 2%, looking at it European-wide, but
0:54:28 > 0:54:31it's a 9% difference between what the Conservatives are proposing
0:54:31 > 0:54:33for corporation tax for larger businesses
0:54:33 > 0:54:35and what the Labour Government is proposing.
0:54:35 > 0:54:38It's a fair question but I would simply say this -
0:54:38 > 0:54:42all of your clients, I'm sure, require workers at various times,
0:54:42 > 0:54:44they require skilled workers at various times.
0:54:44 > 0:54:49If we, as a society, don't look at the problems throughout
0:54:49 > 0:54:52our school and education system and invest in it properly,
0:54:52 > 0:54:56where are the skilled workers going to come from tomorrow?
0:54:56 > 0:54:58Where are going to be the consumers of tomorrow?
0:54:58 > 0:55:03I think it's time that we looked at inequality in our society
0:55:03 > 0:55:07and used our public investment in order to improve services
0:55:07 > 0:55:09and give real chances to everybody.
0:55:09 > 0:55:11Poverty is a waste.
0:55:11 > 0:55:13People who can't get the education they want
0:55:13 > 0:55:16and the qualifications they want, we all lose.
0:55:16 > 0:55:18It's a question of whether
0:55:18 > 0:55:21the community gets together to support everybody
0:55:21 > 0:55:24or we just let the rich get richer and the rest suffer.
0:55:24 > 0:55:26What's the... APPLAUSE
0:55:30 > 0:55:36What's the overall increase in the tax take that Labour,
0:55:36 > 0:55:39if it comes to power, would expect?
0:55:39 > 0:55:42What kind of percentage on the current tax take?
0:55:42 > 0:55:4348 billion more...
0:55:43 > 0:55:46What percent is it that of what comes in at the moment?
0:55:46 > 0:55:5048 billion more, which is quite a small proportion of the total.
0:55:50 > 0:55:53The point I'm making is that what we've got here is funding of
0:55:53 > 0:55:59it through corporation tax, funding of it through some new taxes.
0:55:59 > 0:56:0595%, 95% of the people of this country will pay no more in tax, VAT
0:56:05 > 0:56:09or national insurance. The others will be asked to pay a bit more.
0:56:09 > 0:56:12I think it's the right thing to do because it does gives us
0:56:12 > 0:56:13a growing economy.
0:56:13 > 0:56:16The figures for the country as a whole, for the economy as
0:56:16 > 0:56:20a whole, is nearly a 10% increase in tax take by the Government.
0:56:20 > 0:56:22It brings me to a question from Jack Rouse, if I may.
0:56:22 > 0:56:25Jack Rouse, please.
0:56:25 > 0:56:26Where is Jack Rouse?
0:56:26 > 0:56:28Yes, speak away.
0:56:28 > 0:56:29Hi, Jack.
0:56:29 > 0:56:33Is Labour's manifesto a realistic wish list
0:56:33 > 0:56:35or is it just a letter to Santa Claus?
0:56:35 > 0:56:37APPLAUSE
0:56:43 > 0:56:45I urge you to read it.
0:56:45 > 0:56:49I think it is a serious and realistic document that
0:56:49 > 0:56:54addresses the issues that many people in this country face.
0:56:54 > 0:56:56We've been brave enough to put it out there, with all the
0:56:56 > 0:56:58policies that are in it.
0:56:58 > 0:57:01How we deal with the school funding crisis.
0:57:01 > 0:57:06How we make sure pre-school, all children, two to four, get 30 hours
0:57:06 > 0:57:10childcare per week or opportunities for pre-school play and education.
0:57:10 > 0:57:13How we bring back the Educational Maintenance Allowance
0:57:13 > 0:57:16so that youngsters who be would be deterred from staying on at
0:57:16 > 0:57:20school or going on to get A-levels or other qualifications,
0:57:20 > 0:57:23and that those who can get into university won't end up with debts
0:57:23 > 0:57:25of 50-60,000 at the end of it.
0:57:25 > 0:57:29This is nothing unusual in many other countries in the world.
0:57:29 > 0:57:32I think it's time for us to invest in our future.
0:57:32 > 0:57:37The other crisis I may mention, David, is the question of health,
0:57:37 > 0:57:40the question of mental health and the question of social care.
0:57:40 > 0:57:42If we don't address it, what happens?
0:57:42 > 0:57:45What happens is, more people suffer.
0:57:45 > 0:57:47What happens is, more women, usually,
0:57:47 > 0:57:50give up work to care for those who cannot be cared for because
0:57:50 > 0:57:52we're not putting enough money into it.
0:57:52 > 0:57:57Those with a mental health crisis suffer alone and don't get
0:57:57 > 0:57:59the help and support that they want.
0:57:59 > 0:58:04We have to respect the needs of people and, frankly,
0:58:04 > 0:58:06challenge all of us to say - if we want to live in
0:58:06 > 0:58:10a society that genuinely cares for all, we've got to be prepared
0:58:10 > 0:58:12to deal with issues of inequality and pay for it.
0:58:12 > 0:58:14- I'm prepared to do that.- OK.
0:58:14 > 0:58:17JACK SPEAKS OFF-MIC
0:58:17 > 0:58:19..it's a question of funding it.
0:58:19 > 0:58:22I'm thinking of last time Labour were in Government, they left
0:58:22 > 0:58:26a note at the Chancellor's office saying, "We've no money left."
0:58:26 > 0:58:28APPLAUSE
0:58:29 > 0:58:31What I would say is,
0:58:31 > 0:58:35for the past seven years of austerity,
0:58:35 > 0:58:40that austerity has hit public sector workers with a 1% cap.
0:58:40 > 0:58:43It has hit all our schools and public services.
0:58:43 > 0:58:45It has caused a housing crisis.
0:58:45 > 0:58:46And, do you know what,
0:58:46 > 0:58:49the very richest in our society have got richer.
0:58:49 > 0:58:52There's been more and more tax giveaways at the top end and
0:58:52 > 0:58:54more and more charges at the other end.
0:58:54 > 0:58:56It's time to rebalance it.
0:58:56 > 0:59:00Our manifesto is a serious, well thought-out document that I
0:59:00 > 0:59:03believe is getting a lot of support and people are very excited
0:59:03 > 0:59:06by the idea of how we can do things differently.
0:59:06 > 0:59:09APPLAUSE The woman here, in the third row.
0:59:14 > 0:59:17You say this manifesto is serious and well thought-out,
0:59:17 > 0:59:19and you speak about creating an equal society,
0:59:19 > 0:59:23free from racism and anti-Semitism. But how can I believe
0:59:23 > 0:59:26a word of this when you, as party leader, have failed to expel one of
0:59:26 > 0:59:30your own members, Ken Livingstone, for his anti-Semitic remarks?
0:59:30 > 0:59:32APPLAUSE
0:59:35 > 0:59:38There is no place for anti-Semitism anywhere in our society,
0:59:38 > 0:59:40and certainly not in our party.
0:59:40 > 0:59:45Members have been suspended. If they've committed any remarks..
0:59:45 > 0:59:46But he's not been held to account.
0:59:46 > 0:59:49..that can be seen to be of an anti-Semitic nature.
0:59:49 > 0:59:52Those that have done that are suspended.
0:59:52 > 0:59:55We have a process that is independent of me within the
0:59:55 > 1:00:00party which investigations these and makes a decision on it.
1:00:00 > 1:00:05I deplore racism in any form whatsoever.
1:00:05 > 1:00:09The way in which the Jewish people have suffered down the centuries,
1:00:09 > 1:00:11the Holocaust and all that went with it,
1:00:11 > 1:00:15was the most appalling stain in the history of mankind.
1:00:15 > 1:00:18And I believe we have to fight racism in any form
1:00:18 > 1:00:20with every fibre of our being.
1:00:20 > 1:00:23A society that cannot challenge racism is
1:00:23 > 1:00:26a society that is heading for division.
1:00:26 > 1:00:29I will not tolerate it in our party or anywhere else.
1:00:29 > 1:00:32APPLAUSE Do you want to come back on that?
1:00:32 > 1:00:34If it's something that's so important to you,
1:00:34 > 1:00:37how can you suffice with only suspending him
1:00:37 > 1:00:39for a short period of time? How is it not enough to expel him?
1:00:39 > 1:00:44He has been suspended and further investigations may or may not
1:00:44 > 1:00:48happen after the election. But he is suspended from membership.
1:00:48 > 1:00:51But he is suspended so that the investigation can take place.
1:00:51 > 1:00:53All right. The woman there, on the gangway. You.
1:00:53 > 1:00:56- Yes, you.- Me? Oh.
1:00:56 > 1:01:01I heard you recently commented that black and ethnic minorities'
1:01:01 > 1:01:05potential has been locked under the Conservatives
1:01:05 > 1:01:08and you plan to free up and unlock it.
1:01:08 > 1:01:11So I just want some clarification as to how exactly you plan to do it?
1:01:11 > 1:01:14Sorry, I didn't fully hear the question,
1:01:14 > 1:01:16there was a camera right in front of you at the time.
1:01:16 > 1:01:17Sorry about that.
1:01:17 > 1:01:20I said there was a comment that I read in the news about you
1:01:20 > 1:01:24purporting that black and ethnic minorities' potential has been
1:01:24 > 1:01:26locked under the Conservatives,
1:01:26 > 1:01:29so I just want some clarification as to how you'd
1:01:29 > 1:01:33free it up or unlock it or help in that regard?
1:01:33 > 1:01:36The issues are of poverty in Britain,
1:01:36 > 1:01:41the issues are of differential levels of spending in inner-city
1:01:41 > 1:01:45areas compared to other areas and there are serious issues about
1:01:45 > 1:01:48the number of young, black people, particularly young men,
1:01:48 > 1:01:52who are part of the criminal justice system, end up in youth custody
1:01:52 > 1:01:55or youth justice institutions,
1:01:55 > 1:01:59or those that end up in mental health institutions.
1:01:59 > 1:02:03I think we have to look very seriously at levels of racism
1:02:03 > 1:02:04within our society.
1:02:04 > 1:02:09If you like, racism that is almost of an institutionalised nature,
1:02:09 > 1:02:11that has to be looked at.
1:02:11 > 1:02:13And one of the issues we've put forward was,
1:02:13 > 1:02:18consider how difficult it can be for somebody with an African name
1:02:18 > 1:02:20or a Muslim name to get on a shortlist to get
1:02:20 > 1:02:23an interview for a job, compared to others.
1:02:23 > 1:02:27So one suggestion - it is a suggestion, it may become a policy -
1:02:27 > 1:02:29is that we should have blind applications for jobs,
1:02:29 > 1:02:32where there's no name involved, there's merely a description
1:02:32 > 1:02:35of your skills and abilities and qualifications,
1:02:35 > 1:02:38so there can be a fair assessment of that person.
1:02:38 > 1:02:42Because we are a multiethnic,
1:02:42 > 1:02:45multilingual, multicultural society.
1:02:45 > 1:02:50If it doesn't treat everybody equally and give everybody a decent
1:02:50 > 1:02:55chance, then we end up with poverty and discrimination and divisions.
1:02:55 > 1:02:59I want to see a country that comes together and is not divided
1:02:59 > 1:03:02by poverty or by discrimination.
1:03:02 > 1:03:04APPLAUSE
1:03:06 > 1:03:10We may come back to education and the economy in a moment.
1:03:10 > 1:03:13But let's have this question from Adam Murgatroyd, please.
1:03:13 > 1:03:15Adam Murgatroyd?
1:03:15 > 1:03:18If Britain were under imminent threat from nuclear weapons,
1:03:18 > 1:03:19how would you react?
1:03:21 > 1:03:26I would do everything I can to ensure that any threat is
1:03:26 > 1:03:31actually dealt with earlier on by negotiations and by talks.
1:03:31 > 1:03:35So that we do adhere to our obligations
1:03:35 > 1:03:37under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,
1:03:37 > 1:03:41that we do encourage China in its work in trying to bring about
1:03:41 > 1:03:45six-party talks, in resolving the issue in North Korea,
1:03:45 > 1:03:48and we do follow the lead that President Obama took
1:03:48 > 1:03:51in doing a deal with Iran that would result
1:03:51 > 1:03:54in them not developing the nuclear capability.
1:03:54 > 1:03:57I think the idea of anyone, ever, using a nuclear weapon,
1:03:57 > 1:04:01anywhere in the world, is utterly appalling and terrible.
1:04:01 > 1:04:05It would result in the destruction of the lives and communities
1:04:05 > 1:04:08and environment for millions of people.
1:04:08 > 1:04:11So I would be actively engaged to ensure
1:04:11 > 1:04:13that danger didn't come about.
1:04:13 > 1:04:16I also be very aware of other dangers that we face.
1:04:16 > 1:04:19Cyber attacks hit our National Health Service
1:04:19 > 1:04:20a couple of weeks ago,
1:04:20 > 1:04:24the dreadful terrorist attack in Manchester indicates the danger
1:04:24 > 1:04:28of individual acts of terrorism that can take lives.
1:04:28 > 1:04:31We have to be secure here,
1:04:31 > 1:04:34we have to protect our society and our country,
1:04:34 > 1:04:37but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure
1:04:37 > 1:04:41we don't have huge, ungoverned spaces, such as in Libya,
1:04:41 > 1:04:44which can become the basis of terrible events
1:04:44 > 1:04:47that are going to take the lives of many other people.
1:04:47 > 1:04:50We have to deal with those issues here and globally.
1:04:50 > 1:04:53That is the function of a responsible government.
1:04:53 > 1:04:55APPLAUSE
1:04:57 > 1:05:00Your party is committed to renewing Trident,
1:05:00 > 1:05:02are you saying there are no circumstances in which
1:05:02 > 1:05:03you would use a nuclear weapon at all?
1:05:03 > 1:05:06I'm saying that our party has committed to renewing Trident.
1:05:06 > 1:05:09That was a decision taken by the party conference,
1:05:09 > 1:05:10and indeed taken by Parliament.
1:05:10 > 1:05:12I would view the idea of having to use a nuclear weapon
1:05:12 > 1:05:16as something that was resulting in a failure
1:05:16 > 1:05:18in the whole world's diplomatic system.
1:05:18 > 1:05:20There has to be no first use,
1:05:20 > 1:05:22there has to be a process of engagement
1:05:22 > 1:05:25to bring about, ultimately, global nuclear disarmament.
1:05:25 > 1:05:28It's not going to happen quickly, it's not going to happen easily,
1:05:28 > 1:05:31but we have to have that wish.
1:05:31 > 1:05:33You cannot countenance a world in which
1:05:33 > 1:05:35we could all be destroyed by nuclear war.
1:05:35 > 1:05:38You say no first use, and you wouldn't use...
1:05:38 > 1:05:41You wouldn't push the button in a first use.
1:05:41 > 1:05:44In retaliatory use, would you use nuclear weapons?
1:05:44 > 1:05:47Well, the weapon is there
1:05:47 > 1:05:49and I would say no first use of the weapon.
1:05:49 > 1:05:52And I think that has to be the basis on what we do.
1:05:52 > 1:05:54Adam, does that answer your question?
1:05:54 > 1:05:55Do you want to come back on it?
1:05:55 > 1:05:58I find it incredibly concerning you wouldn't ever commit to doing that.
1:05:58 > 1:06:00It's our safety that we need to look at
1:06:00 > 1:06:02first and foremost in a government.
1:06:02 > 1:06:05But what particularly annoys me is that Trident isn't just for,
1:06:05 > 1:06:07heaven forbid, a potential Corbyn Government,
1:06:07 > 1:06:08it goes long beyond that, you know,
1:06:08 > 1:06:12many, many decades into the future.
1:06:12 > 1:06:15So when you are making the decision whether to support this or not,
1:06:15 > 1:06:17it's not just for right here and now,
1:06:17 > 1:06:19it's threats that we could face in the future.
1:06:24 > 1:06:25Fair point.
1:06:25 > 1:06:29But we have to do everything we can,
1:06:29 > 1:06:31obviously to protect ourselves,
1:06:31 > 1:06:35but the best protection is having good and reasonable relationships
1:06:35 > 1:06:39with the rest of world so we don't descend into a mentality
1:06:39 > 1:06:43where there are military blocs starting threatening each other,
1:06:43 > 1:06:46and I'm utterly determined to do everything I can
1:06:46 > 1:06:48to bring about a more peaceful world.
1:06:48 > 1:06:52I've spent a lot of my life with UN and other organisations
1:06:52 > 1:06:56trying to bring about principle of no first use,
1:06:56 > 1:06:58principles of disarmament
1:06:58 > 1:07:02and principles of bringing about peace around the world.
1:07:02 > 1:07:04That, surely, is something we can all work for.
1:07:04 > 1:07:07I think we have to recognise
1:07:07 > 1:07:11that there is deep inequality and injustice in the world,
1:07:11 > 1:07:15but the threats are, as I said, cyber security and terrorism.
1:07:15 > 1:07:18The other threats are, actually, of environmental disaster
1:07:18 > 1:07:21around the world and large numbers of people fleeing
1:07:21 > 1:07:25from environmental disaster, in effect environmental refugees,
1:07:25 > 1:07:29which is why I was so disappointed in President Trump's decision,
1:07:29 > 1:07:31particularly in view of what had been achieved
1:07:31 > 1:07:35by people working together to try to protect and sustain this planet.
1:07:35 > 1:07:37We've only got one planet.
1:07:37 > 1:07:39Let's get together when we live on it
1:07:39 > 1:07:41and, above all, let's not destroy it.
1:07:41 > 1:07:42Can we just come...?
1:07:42 > 1:07:43APPLAUSE
1:07:47 > 1:07:49Can we just come back to the nuclear issue?
1:07:49 > 1:07:51You are Prime Minister,
1:07:51 > 1:07:54you've said you would have no first use,
1:07:54 > 1:07:57you wouldn't countenance Britain's nuclear deterrent,
1:07:57 > 1:08:01which your party is restoring, rebuilding, maintaining,
1:08:01 > 1:08:02you wouldn't have a first use.
1:08:02 > 1:08:05And it raises the question, he said under direct attack,
1:08:05 > 1:08:07would you use it in retaliation?
1:08:07 > 1:08:10As Prime Minister, you're speaking to the country
1:08:10 > 1:08:14about what you would do with the most expensive defence weapon
1:08:14 > 1:08:16that we have.
1:08:16 > 1:08:18Are you saying you would never use it?
1:08:18 > 1:08:20People tell me the most effective use of it is not to use it
1:08:20 > 1:08:22because it's there.
1:08:22 > 1:08:25Sorry, you're dodging the question, aren't you?
1:08:25 > 1:08:28I'm saying... Are you saying there are no circumstances
1:08:28 > 1:08:29under which you'd use it?
1:08:29 > 1:08:32Any circumstances where anyone's prepared to use a nuclear weapon
1:08:32 > 1:08:34is disastrous for the whole planet.
1:08:34 > 1:08:40That is why there has to be a policy of disarmament globally
1:08:40 > 1:08:43but through a multinatural... multilateral policy,
1:08:43 > 1:08:44not a unilateral policy.
1:08:44 > 1:08:47But that's the ideal, but what about the reality,
1:08:47 > 1:08:50where you're faced with a prospect in which you may have to use it?
1:08:53 > 1:08:55I'm asking for a simple answer.
1:08:55 > 1:09:01The reality is that we have to obviously try to protect ourselves.
1:09:01 > 1:09:03We would not use it as first use,
1:09:03 > 1:09:07and if we did use it, millions are going to die.
1:09:07 > 1:09:08You have to think this thing through.
1:09:08 > 1:09:10INDISTINCT CHATTER FROM AUDIENCE
1:09:11 > 1:09:14I would decide on the circumstances at the time.
1:09:14 > 1:09:15All right, you, sir.
1:09:15 > 1:09:18Would you use it as second use
1:09:18 > 1:09:23or would you allow North Korea or some idiot in Iran to bomb us
1:09:23 > 1:09:25and then say, "We had better start talking"?
1:09:25 > 1:09:27You'd be too late.
1:09:27 > 1:09:29- No, of course not.- You're going to have to do it first, mate.
1:09:29 > 1:09:32No, of course not. Of course I would not do that.
1:09:33 > 1:09:36You would allow them to do it?
1:09:36 > 1:09:37Of course not, because...
1:09:37 > 1:09:39How would you stop them?
1:09:39 > 1:09:42That is why I made the point a short time ago
1:09:42 > 1:09:46about the need for President Obama's agreement with Iran to be upheld,
1:09:46 > 1:09:47it's quite important, actually,
1:09:47 > 1:09:51and also to promote disarmament in Korea.
1:09:51 > 1:09:54- That is difficult, I appreciate. - Impossible.
1:09:54 > 1:09:56Well...
1:09:56 > 1:09:59- Impossible.- You up there.
1:09:59 > 1:10:01Yeah, you're asking a massive wish
1:10:01 > 1:10:05when you've got one of biggest arsenals by your side.
1:10:05 > 1:10:07I would rather have it and not use it than not have it at all,
1:10:07 > 1:10:09especially in today's day and age.
1:10:09 > 1:10:11APPLAUSE
1:10:14 > 1:10:15Do you want to comment on that?
1:10:18 > 1:10:20All right. Anybody? The woman there.
1:10:20 > 1:10:23Yes. Let's just stick with this and then we'll move on. Yes.
1:10:23 > 1:10:25I actually have a question regarding human rights.
1:10:25 > 1:10:27All right, use your question.
1:10:27 > 1:10:29Just before... I don't understand why everyone in this room
1:10:29 > 1:10:33seems so keen on killing millions of people with a nuclear bomb.
1:10:33 > 1:10:35CHEERING
1:10:45 > 1:10:47I think it's worth moving on from that particular debate,
1:10:47 > 1:10:50- because we are talking about murdering people.- Go on, move on.
1:10:50 > 1:10:53I want to ask a specific question about your immigration policy.
1:10:53 > 1:10:56You've mentioned that you want to reunite families,
1:10:56 > 1:10:57specifically, that have been forced apart
1:10:57 > 1:11:00by Theresa May's current migration policies.
1:11:00 > 1:11:03Myself, my husband is recording this in America,
1:11:03 > 1:11:05as he's at work. He was deported in December.
1:11:05 > 1:11:07He was told he was too highly educated,
1:11:07 > 1:11:11despite studying here, getting an undergraduate and a Master's degree,
1:11:11 > 1:11:13invested a lot in this country.
1:11:13 > 1:11:15I want to know whether you would consider
1:11:15 > 1:11:18reducing the financial threshold for family migration
1:11:18 > 1:11:20to be further in line with the national minimum wage
1:11:20 > 1:11:22or living wage.
1:11:22 > 1:11:25Yes, our manifesto has addressed this issue.
1:11:25 > 1:11:27It is very painful, some of the decisions that are made,
1:11:27 > 1:11:31where the frankly arbitrary level of income is chosen,
1:11:31 > 1:11:34couples are split apart, families are split apart,
1:11:34 > 1:11:37and people like the person you're talking about
1:11:37 > 1:11:40have invested a huge amount of time and energy into this country
1:11:40 > 1:11:43and are then removed from this country.
1:11:43 > 1:11:45Who loses? We all lose.
1:11:45 > 1:11:48The family loses, the children lose, we lose as a society.
1:11:48 > 1:11:51We will change those immigration laws
1:11:51 > 1:11:54so that there can be proper family reunion.
1:11:54 > 1:11:56I think that has been to be right and sensible thing to do.
1:11:56 > 1:12:02Are you in favour of reducing immigration over all
1:12:02 > 1:12:03into this country?
1:12:03 > 1:12:06What I think will happen is this.
1:12:06 > 1:12:11That we have managed migration from outside Europe,
1:12:11 > 1:12:16which is based on family reunion and skill needs or investment.
1:12:16 > 1:12:18We have, at the moment, free movement
1:12:18 > 1:12:19from within the European Union.
1:12:19 > 1:12:21That ends when we leave the European Union.
1:12:21 > 1:12:24We'll then have to have managed migration from Europe.
1:12:24 > 1:12:27We have to also recognise that those who have migrated to this country
1:12:27 > 1:12:29have made a massive contribution to our society.
1:12:29 > 1:12:33The health of all of us depends on the work that's done
1:12:33 > 1:12:35by many people who have made their homes here.
1:12:35 > 1:12:36What I think will happen
1:12:36 > 1:12:40is there will probably be some reduction in European migration,
1:12:40 > 1:12:45because we will also prevent there being recruitment
1:12:45 > 1:12:48of groups of low paid workers from central Europe
1:12:48 > 1:12:51to come here, to undermine existing conditions
1:12:51 > 1:12:53that are often not very good themselves,
1:12:53 > 1:12:57and damage the life chances of people in the country
1:12:57 > 1:13:00and be not actually very good for those who have been brought in.
1:13:00 > 1:13:02So we will end overseas-only recruitment
1:13:02 > 1:13:05and end those contractual arrangements
1:13:05 > 1:13:06by which people are brought in,
1:13:06 > 1:13:08particularly into the construction industry.
1:13:08 > 1:13:10Also, if I may say so, we have another issue
1:13:10 > 1:13:14which we do have to address, and that is the skill shortage
1:13:14 > 1:13:17and skill problem in Britain because we have not invested enough
1:13:17 > 1:13:20in industrial training, we've not invested enough in skill training,
1:13:20 > 1:13:23we've not invested enough in training more doctors
1:13:23 > 1:13:25or more nurses in this country.
1:13:25 > 1:13:28Until we do that, then we've got a big problem,
1:13:28 > 1:13:30and so our whole approach to our manifesto
1:13:30 > 1:13:32is about investment for the future.
1:13:32 > 1:13:33Yeah.
1:13:37 > 1:13:40I'm thinking of what your Brexit Secretary
1:13:40 > 1:13:43or shadow Brexit Secretary, I should say, Keir Starmer, said,
1:13:43 > 1:13:45which is, "There has been a huge amount of immigration
1:13:45 > 1:13:48"over the last ten years, and people are understandably concerned
1:13:48 > 1:13:50"about it. I think it should be reduced."
1:13:50 > 1:13:51When people voted Brexit,
1:13:51 > 1:13:53do you think immigration was at the forefront of their minds?
1:13:53 > 1:13:55I think it was a big factor in it.
1:13:55 > 1:13:58I don't think it was the only factor, but it was a big factor.
1:13:58 > 1:14:01There is also an issue that communities and local government
1:14:01 > 1:14:03are often not sufficiently funded
1:14:03 > 1:14:06to deal with groups of people coming in,
1:14:06 > 1:14:10and so we would restore what Gordon Brown had in 2009,
1:14:10 > 1:14:11which was a migrant impact fund.
1:14:11 > 1:14:13One or two more people...
1:14:13 > 1:14:15I'll come to you and then we'll go on to another question.
1:14:15 > 1:14:17Can we get a microphone to you? Yes. Go on, fire away.
1:14:17 > 1:14:19Mr Corbyn, we talked about nuclear weapons before,
1:14:19 > 1:14:21but one thing that worries me more at the moment
1:14:21 > 1:14:23as somebody who's grown up in a family business
1:14:23 > 1:14:25is the changes in the minimum wage.
1:14:25 > 1:14:27I read your manifesto yesterday,
1:14:27 > 1:14:30and you are planning on increasing the minimum wage to £10.
1:14:30 > 1:14:33The current plan for the national living wage,
1:14:33 > 1:14:36forecasts say that up to 60,000 people could lose their jobs
1:14:36 > 1:14:37because of those increases in wages,
1:14:37 > 1:14:42so, firstly, how many jobs - what statistic have you been given
1:14:42 > 1:14:44by your economist or whoever works for you
1:14:44 > 1:14:48as to how many jobs will be lost if it goes up to £10 an hour,
1:14:48 > 1:14:52and, secondly, how will you help the three million micro businesses
1:14:52 > 1:14:55in the United Kingdom who employ many people on the minimum wage
1:14:55 > 1:14:57and already struggle to do that?
1:14:57 > 1:14:59Fair point and fair question.
1:15:01 > 1:15:05When the minimum wage was first introduced by the Labour Government
1:15:05 > 1:15:09after the 1997 election, there were a lot of similar concerns
1:15:09 > 1:15:12and predictions which turned out not to be the case.
1:15:12 > 1:15:15In fact, there was not any substantial number of job losses...
1:15:15 > 1:15:17Yes, but, Mr Corbyn, the reason that happened
1:15:17 > 1:15:19is because the wage increases were so small.
1:15:19 > 1:15:22If you look at the economic comments around that time,
1:15:22 > 1:15:25the wage increases were so small, all the commentators said that.
1:15:25 > 1:15:27This is a massive wage change.
1:15:27 > 1:15:30There is such a bigger margin of error now in your policies
1:15:30 > 1:15:34than what was brought in in 1999.
1:15:36 > 1:15:37Can I come back to your point?
1:15:37 > 1:15:41What we're proposing is £10 an hour by 2020.
1:15:41 > 1:15:43That would be a living wage.
1:15:43 > 1:15:47That would reduce the Department of Work and Pensions bill somewhat,
1:15:47 > 1:15:50because you would be reducing in work benefit payments
1:15:50 > 1:15:51because people would be being paid more.
1:15:51 > 1:15:54There are many big companies that could well afford to pay it
1:15:54 > 1:15:57and shouldn't just be paying the minimum.
1:15:57 > 1:15:59There are companies, like I suspect yours,
1:15:59 > 1:16:03small companies that would have problems, we fully recognise that.
1:16:03 > 1:16:05We would therefore work with them,
1:16:05 > 1:16:07either to give them tax relief or support
1:16:07 > 1:16:10in order to make sure that the living wage,
1:16:10 > 1:16:11the real living wage, was paid,
1:16:11 > 1:16:14but they didn't close down as a result of it,
1:16:14 > 1:16:16because as a society we have six million people
1:16:16 > 1:16:18earning less than the living wage.
1:16:18 > 1:16:20We have a million people on zero-hours contracts.
1:16:20 > 1:16:23We have wage levels, as a proportion of national income,
1:16:23 > 1:16:26actually falling at the present time.
1:16:26 > 1:16:29I think more money in the pockets will mean people are better off,
1:16:29 > 1:16:32but it will also be an economic boost itself.
1:16:32 > 1:16:35I absolutely recognise the problems for small and micro businesses.
1:16:35 > 1:16:38That's why there would be a pathway to it for them
1:16:38 > 1:16:41with support from the Government to achieve it.
1:16:41 > 1:16:44OK. Edward. I will come to those...
1:16:44 > 1:16:47I just want to hear from Edward Robbins,
1:16:47 > 1:16:51cos Mr Corbyn just mentioned the issue. Edward Robbins.
1:16:51 > 1:16:53Where is Edward Robbins? Put your hand up.
1:16:53 > 1:16:55Where are you? There! Yes, good.
1:16:55 > 1:16:58Zero-hours contracts provide an easy way for students like myself
1:16:58 > 1:17:01to get casual, flexible work.
1:17:01 > 1:17:03How will scrapping these contracts affect us?
1:17:03 > 1:17:08Labour policy to scrap zero-hours contracts?
1:17:08 > 1:17:11First of all, zero-hours contracts for many people
1:17:11 > 1:17:15mean a lifetime of stress and a lifetime of great difficulty.
1:17:15 > 1:17:18Imagine what it's like if your sole source of income
1:17:18 > 1:17:20is a zero-hours contract job.
1:17:20 > 1:17:22You wake up in the morning, you look at your mobile phone
1:17:22 > 1:17:25to see if your employer wants you that day or not.
1:17:25 > 1:17:27That week or not. You don't know what your income is going to be.
1:17:27 > 1:17:31Now, I do understand the point about students and others.
1:17:31 > 1:17:33Some companies, some employers say,
1:17:33 > 1:17:36"OK, we need people in a bar,
1:17:36 > 1:17:40"in a shop, in a packaging place, those kind of enterprises -
1:17:40 > 1:17:44"we will pay you X number of hours per week on a flexible basis
1:17:44 > 1:17:49"so that you will have an average pay of, say, ten hours per week."
1:17:49 > 1:17:52That means those people are loyal to the company.
1:17:52 > 1:17:55Those people know what their income is going to be.
1:17:55 > 1:17:57That seems to me a much fairer way of doing it,
1:17:57 > 1:18:00so you then have some security of what's going on.
1:18:00 > 1:18:01There are some employers that do that
1:18:01 > 1:18:04in towns with a large student population, with students,
1:18:04 > 1:18:05and it works quite well.
1:18:05 > 1:18:07What's your reaction?
1:18:07 > 1:18:09Well, I... I...
1:18:09 > 1:18:12I'm not going stop you working. It's OK.
1:18:12 > 1:18:15Yeah, I was talking more about coming from us having the option
1:18:15 > 1:18:19for students and us to go to employers
1:18:19 > 1:18:23and say we want to work this time and this time,
1:18:23 > 1:18:26and not just getting told you are working this many hours this week.
1:18:26 > 1:18:28- Working when you choose, really? - Yes.
1:18:28 > 1:18:30Yeah, the so-called gig economy.
1:18:30 > 1:18:32Riding for delivery services?
1:18:32 > 1:18:35Yes. I think the agreement should be
1:18:35 > 1:18:37that you come to a discussion with the employer.
1:18:37 > 1:18:40I can work for three hours on a Monday,
1:18:40 > 1:18:45six hours on a Thursday, two hours at a weekend, something like that.
1:18:45 > 1:18:47That's my work pattern.
1:18:47 > 1:18:49It's not simple to manage for any employer,
1:18:49 > 1:18:50I fully understand that,
1:18:50 > 1:18:53but it does give the security to the individual,
1:18:53 > 1:18:58it also gives the employer a wide range of workers
1:18:58 > 1:19:00who will be working and will be loyal to that employer.
1:19:00 > 1:19:02You, sir, at the back there.
1:19:02 > 1:19:05Mr Corbyn, why have you never regarded the IRA as terrorists?
1:19:11 > 1:19:14I have deplored all acts of terrorism
1:19:14 > 1:19:16by anybody in Northern Ireland or anywhere else.
1:19:16 > 1:19:19I think the Good Friday Agreement was a huge achievement
1:19:19 > 1:19:23that was brought about when both communities recognised
1:19:23 > 1:19:26their shared but different pasts
1:19:26 > 1:19:28and brought about the idea of a power-sharing Government
1:19:28 > 1:19:32in Northern Ireland. I think that was an enormous achievement.
1:19:32 > 1:19:35It's been copied elsewhere in the world as a way forward.
1:19:35 > 1:19:38I don't approve of any terrorism of any sort
1:19:38 > 1:19:40or any terrorist acts of any sort.
1:19:40 > 1:19:43It only divides communities and kills people.
1:19:43 > 1:19:45They killed a lot of people.
1:19:47 > 1:19:49Does that answer the question for you?
1:19:49 > 1:19:52They did kill a lot of people, didn't they?
1:19:52 > 1:19:55All deaths are wrong. All killing is wrong.
1:19:55 > 1:19:59We have to develop, and we did in Northern Ireland, eventually,
1:19:59 > 1:20:01a very effective peace process.
1:20:01 > 1:20:04I think we should pay tribute to those in the Unionist community
1:20:04 > 1:20:06as well as those in the nationalist community
1:20:06 > 1:20:09for coming together to bring about that peace process.
1:20:09 > 1:20:11It was a truly remarkable experience.
1:20:11 > 1:20:12OK. You, sir.
1:20:14 > 1:20:16- Yes. You didn't want to speak?- Me?
1:20:16 > 1:20:18I thought you had your hand up.
1:20:18 > 1:20:21You've got the microphone over your head. You're all right.
1:20:21 > 1:20:24You said you didn't support the IRA.
1:20:24 > 1:20:28You've also supported Hamas and other terrorist organisations.
1:20:28 > 1:20:31How do you expect the British people to vote for you
1:20:31 > 1:20:34to go into Number Ten when you sat there and supported them?
1:20:34 > 1:20:35We've seen you.
1:20:37 > 1:20:40I have not supported any of those organisations.
1:20:40 > 1:20:44What I've said is, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with it,
1:20:44 > 1:20:48that if you're to bring about a peace process anywhere,
1:20:48 > 1:20:50be it the Middle East, be it in Ireland,
1:20:50 > 1:20:53be it in a different situation, in say Columbia, or anywhere else,
1:20:53 > 1:20:55there has to be a coming together.
1:20:55 > 1:20:59You were talking to them when they were killing our people,
1:20:59 > 1:21:01our women and children. You were talking to them.
1:21:01 > 1:21:04There has to be... Well...
1:21:04 > 1:21:09I was talking to representatives of the Republican movement, yes.
1:21:09 > 1:21:12Actually, so was the Government at the same time.
1:21:12 > 1:21:15Ian Paisley was indeed thrown out of Parliament
1:21:15 > 1:21:17when he told the Government, told Margaret Thatcher
1:21:17 > 1:21:20she was actually talking to them. Do you know what?
1:21:20 > 1:21:22I voted that Ian Paisley shouldn't be thrown out of Parliament,
1:21:22 > 1:21:25because I thought his voice should be heard in Parliament.
1:21:25 > 1:21:27You have to bring about a peace process
1:21:27 > 1:21:30by talking to people that you don't agree with.
1:21:30 > 1:21:31If you just talk amongst your friends,
1:21:31 > 1:21:33you're not going to get a peace process.
1:21:36 > 1:21:40Is that it? Are you done? You keep poking the man in front of you.
1:21:40 > 1:21:42Do you want him to speak? Me, again.
1:21:42 > 1:21:46- You keep poking him. - Do you want to speak?
1:21:46 > 1:21:50- Are you trying to speak? - I wasn't, but I can do.- OK.
1:21:50 > 1:21:53You've talked to these people in the past.
1:21:53 > 1:21:55You talked earlier on when talking about the nuclear option,
1:21:55 > 1:21:58talking is the way you want to go.
1:21:58 > 1:22:00David often said at the end of programmes,
1:22:00 > 1:22:02tell the public to press the Red Button.
1:22:02 > 1:22:06Are you saying you will never, ever, under any circumstances,
1:22:06 > 1:22:07press the red button?
1:22:08 > 1:22:11I think we've discussed this at some length
1:22:11 > 1:22:13about the aspirations we all have.
1:22:13 > 1:22:15I do not want to be responsible
1:22:15 > 1:22:17for the destruction of millions of people, neither do you.
1:22:17 > 1:22:20Therefore we have to work for a world
1:22:20 > 1:22:22where they're not available and not used.
1:22:24 > 1:22:27The man with the beard over there. Yes.
1:22:27 > 1:22:29Just to bring it back to economics,
1:22:29 > 1:22:31it's all very well for a socialist to stand there
1:22:31 > 1:22:33with his very nice little red book and say,
1:22:33 > 1:22:35"We're going to fund all these lovely programmes
1:22:35 > 1:22:38"by taking more money from big business."
1:22:38 > 1:22:40But what's your plan for the economy when those businesses
1:22:40 > 1:22:43turn round and say, "OK, you can keep your high taxes,
1:22:43 > 1:22:44"we'll go elsewhere"?
1:22:49 > 1:22:53You look at the businesses we are talking about,
1:22:53 > 1:22:55they are actually doing very well.
1:22:55 > 1:22:57They have done extremely well over the past six years
1:22:57 > 1:23:00because their tax has been cut a great deal.
1:23:00 > 1:23:05I think we have to look at the problems of our public services.
1:23:05 > 1:23:07We have to look at the issues
1:23:07 > 1:23:10of what kind of economic future we have.
1:23:10 > 1:23:13We cannot go on being a low-waged economy,
1:23:13 > 1:23:15under spending on our public services,
1:23:15 > 1:23:18investing less than any other industrialised country
1:23:18 > 1:23:20in our future.
1:23:20 > 1:23:23I would much prefer that we develop a national investment bank
1:23:23 > 1:23:28and strategy, regionally based, to improve rail,
1:23:28 > 1:23:30broadband, road communications,
1:23:30 > 1:23:33that we improve investment in our industry for the future.
1:23:33 > 1:23:37We have a lower proportion of manufacturing industry than Germany.
1:23:37 > 1:23:40We have a lower level of productivity than Germany.
1:23:40 > 1:23:42We have a lower skill base than Germany.
1:23:42 > 1:23:44Why is there a difference?
1:23:44 > 1:23:46Because successive German governments,
1:23:46 > 1:23:48almost irrespective of which party it is,
1:23:48 > 1:23:52have been prepared to invest in their infrastructure
1:23:52 > 1:23:53and their future.
1:23:53 > 1:23:56I think we should think about that and improve the economy
1:23:56 > 1:23:58of our own society.
1:23:58 > 1:24:02Do you know what? That would lead to better economic growth,
1:24:02 > 1:24:05it would lead to better opportunities for everybody.
1:24:05 > 1:24:08I think this is an offer that's important,
1:24:08 > 1:24:12and I think it's time that we actually invested in our future
1:24:12 > 1:24:14rather than presided over our decline.
1:24:14 > 1:24:16He's saying...
1:24:16 > 1:24:19If I understood him, he's saying businesses may scarper
1:24:19 > 1:24:23under the weight of extra taxation, what do you do then?
1:24:23 > 1:24:26There's already that issue of uncertainty with Brexit anyway.
1:24:26 > 1:24:28We've seen certain companies umming and aahing and saying
1:24:28 > 1:24:30"Will we stay or will we go?"
1:24:30 > 1:24:32If you say to them they're going to have to pay more tax
1:24:32 > 1:24:34when you stay here as well, what's their incentive to stay?
1:24:34 > 1:24:37Actually, the corporation tax level that I'm proposing
1:24:37 > 1:24:39would actually be less than there is anywhere
1:24:39 > 1:24:43in the major industrial countries of western Europe anyway.
1:24:43 > 1:24:45The crucial thing, and you are right to raise it,
1:24:45 > 1:24:50has to be gaining tariff-free trade access to the European market
1:24:50 > 1:24:52as the basis on which they can continue.
1:24:52 > 1:24:55Look at it this way - if Airbus are in this country, as they are,
1:24:55 > 1:25:00they manufacture aircraft parts, they manufacture satellite parts,
1:25:00 > 1:25:03and the final assembly for the aircraft takes place in Toulouse.
1:25:03 > 1:25:05Some of the parts are made here,
1:25:05 > 1:25:07some of the engines are made in other places,
1:25:07 > 1:25:08some parts are made in Spain.
1:25:08 > 1:25:10That final assembly takes place.
1:25:10 > 1:25:14If we don't have that tariff-free access to the European market,
1:25:14 > 1:25:17are they going to stay? Would they want to stay?
1:25:17 > 1:25:19Ask yourself that question.
1:25:19 > 1:25:22You could say the same for many other big manufacturing enterprises.
1:25:22 > 1:25:25That is why the crucial thing has to be
1:25:25 > 1:25:28maintaining that economic relationship with Europe
1:25:28 > 1:25:30outside membership of the European Union.
1:25:30 > 1:25:32That is the best way of guaranteeing jobs
1:25:32 > 1:25:35and a growing manufacturing economy in Britain.
1:25:35 > 1:25:37But you will also have a Government that is investing
1:25:37 > 1:25:41alongside them to improve skill levels and improve communication
1:25:41 > 1:25:42within this country.
1:25:42 > 1:25:45A very brief point from you, sir. Then I'll take one last question.
1:25:45 > 1:25:47- Quickly, if you would. - About security earlier,
1:25:47 > 1:25:50and a few months ago you were quoted on...
1:25:50 > 1:25:54Well, you said on television that one of the things you would do
1:25:54 > 1:25:57if you were successful in coming into government
1:25:57 > 1:26:00was perform a Strategic Defence Review.
1:26:02 > 1:26:04- Now...- You have to be quick.
1:26:04 > 1:26:07..they've just gone through a Strategic Defence Review,
1:26:07 > 1:26:08why do we need another one?
1:26:08 > 1:26:10Every government that comes into office
1:26:10 > 1:26:11does a Strategic Defence Review.
1:26:11 > 1:26:15There are serious issues about the shortage of ships in the Navy,
1:26:15 > 1:26:17there are serious issues about supplies of frigates,
1:26:17 > 1:26:20there are serious issues about maritime surveillance aircraft
1:26:20 > 1:26:23that are not available that have to be addressed.
1:26:23 > 1:26:26There's a crucial issue of cyber security and cyber attacks
1:26:26 > 1:26:27that have taken place on us.
1:26:27 > 1:26:29There's a crucial issue about terrorist attacks.
1:26:29 > 1:26:32I don't believe you make a society safer
1:26:32 > 1:26:34by getting rid of 20,000 police officers,
1:26:34 > 1:26:36as this Government has done since 2010.
1:26:39 > 1:26:43Hannah. Hannah Lindsey, please.
1:26:43 > 1:26:46Hannah Lindsey. Very quickly, though, Hannah, if you would.
1:26:46 > 1:26:48Is it right to scrap university tuition fees
1:26:48 > 1:26:51as such an immediate priority when there is so much else
1:26:51 > 1:26:53that needs doing in terms of living quality
1:26:53 > 1:26:55for so many people in Britain?
1:26:55 > 1:27:00Just to say, it's 11 billion, a quarter of your entire spending.
1:27:00 > 1:27:03Why university fees?
1:27:03 > 1:27:07I think we should invest in education for the future,
1:27:07 > 1:27:10and I do think that abolishing university tuition fees
1:27:10 > 1:27:14means that any young person has then got the chance to go to university
1:27:14 > 1:27:15if they can get in.
1:27:15 > 1:27:18If you look at the process of applications at the moment,
1:27:18 > 1:27:20the number of working-class students is dropping,
1:27:20 > 1:27:22the number coming from poorer communities is dropping.
1:27:22 > 1:27:25I want to see real access for everybody.
1:27:25 > 1:27:27I think that's the right thing to do.
1:27:27 > 1:27:31It would not be unusual in many other parts of the world to do this.
1:27:31 > 1:27:35Listen, as a young person, basically I had the offer of free education.
1:27:35 > 1:27:37I didn't take it up, that was my choice
1:27:37 > 1:27:38and I'm not complaining about it.
1:27:38 > 1:27:41I don't think it's up to me and my generation
1:27:41 > 1:27:44to pull up the ladder on the generations that are coming behind.
1:27:44 > 1:27:48I want to see an education system that really does work for all
1:27:48 > 1:27:52so that every child can develop to their full potential,
1:27:52 > 1:27:55irrespective of their background and their life chances.
1:27:55 > 1:27:59Mr Corbyn, I'm sorry, we have to stop you there.
1:27:59 > 1:28:00Thank you very much indeed.
1:28:00 > 1:28:02- I've got so much more to say! - Your time is up.
1:28:02 > 1:28:03CHEERING
1:28:07 > 1:28:11So, that brings us to the end of this edition of Question Time.
1:28:11 > 1:28:14Thank you all for coming here to York
1:28:14 > 1:28:16to put questions to the two party leaders.
1:28:16 > 1:28:19We are going to be back on Sunday for our second leaders programme,
1:28:19 > 1:28:22Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP, Tim Farron of the Liberal Democrats.
1:28:22 > 1:28:25That's at 5.55pm on BBC One on Sunday.
1:28:25 > 1:28:28Until then, from York, goodnight.