:00:00. > :00:15.Tonight, we are in Plymouth, and welcome to Question Time.
:00:16. > :00:17.And on our panel here, the new Conservative Justice
:00:18. > :00:23.Labour's Shadow Health Secretary, Jonathan Ashworth.
:00:24. > :00:25.The newly elected leader of the SNP in the House
:00:26. > :00:30.The Daily Mail columnist, Peter Oborne.
:00:31. > :00:35.And the businesswoman who took the Government
:00:36. > :00:37.to court over Brexit, Gina Miller.
:00:38. > :00:55.And from home of course, you have Twitter, Facebook,
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:01:03. > :01:08.Our first question tonight from Daniel Winston, please.
:01:09. > :01:09.Given that major policies from the Conservative
:01:10. > :01:11.manifesto were missing from the Queen's Speech,
:01:12. > :01:14.is it time for Theresa May to finally admit that she does not
:01:15. > :01:29.And if you look at the outcome of the general election,
:01:30. > :01:33.while we did not get the overall majority that we had hoped for,
:01:34. > :01:35.and that clearly has consequences for the legislation that we are able
:01:36. > :01:39.to take through Parliament and means that we have to look for ways
:01:40. > :01:43.in which to work with other parties on issues where there is common
:01:44. > :01:47.ground, then the Conservative Party remains over 50 seats ahead
:01:48. > :01:55.And if you add Labour, Lib Dem, Nationalist MPs together,
:01:56. > :01:59.there are still fewer MPs than there are Conservatives.
:02:00. > :02:02.So I think we have a responsibility to get on and govern.
:02:03. > :02:06.And in the circumstances the electorate has given us,
:02:07. > :02:08.and if you look at the programme, amidst the legislation
:02:09. > :02:11.and the non-legislative initiatives that have been announced on sorting
:02:12. > :02:17.out Brexit in a way that protects the interests of all parts of this
:02:18. > :02:22.country and gives us a stable statute book the day that we leave,
:02:23. > :02:26.if you look at the measures on the economy, boost to technical
:02:27. > :02:30.education, taking forward the biggest infrastructure programme
:02:31. > :02:32.that we've had in more than a century, measures
:02:33. > :02:36.But the question is about all the things that dropped out.
:02:37. > :02:39.People went to the polls and all the things they may have
:02:40. > :02:44.And you can only take legislation through, David,
:02:45. > :02:51.We have to live with the cards the electorate has given you.
:02:52. > :02:59.I think that after a vanity referendum and a vanity election,
:03:00. > :03:06.I think that what we have is a crisis of legitimacy.
:03:07. > :03:16.Yes, I think that's a very good description, and to answer
:03:17. > :03:20.Daniel's question directly, yes, we have possibly the thinnest
:03:21. > :03:26.Queen's Speech for over 100 years and the weakest and most unstable
:03:27. > :03:32.And when you look at the big challenges facing the country, yes,
:03:33. > :03:35.we have the challenge of Brexit, where we start those negotiations
:03:36. > :03:40.We have an NHS in crisis, with waiting lists close
:03:41. > :03:44.to four million and parts of it being sold off and privatised.
:03:45. > :03:49.We have a child poverty crisis, with child poverty likely to hit
:03:50. > :03:52.On the economy, we have wages stagnating, we have
:03:53. > :03:55.zero-hours contracts, insecure work and people
:03:56. > :04:00.And as we have seen in recent days, in very tragic circumstances, stark
:04:01. > :04:09.And there were no answers in this Queen's Speech to any of those.
:04:10. > :04:15.And the driving force of this Government now
:04:16. > :04:18.is their own political survival, not the interests of
:04:19. > :04:28.I want her to reverse the austerity cuts to public services.
:04:29. > :04:30.I want her to reverse the cuts to the schools.
:04:31. > :04:33.I want her to reverse the cuts to the National Health Service.
:04:34. > :04:37.And I want her to reverse the cuts to social care.
:04:38. > :04:47.By the way, incredibly decent of Mr Ashworth
:04:48. > :04:50.and his colleagues to sit on the opposition benches, given
:04:51. > :04:56.They actually were hammered in this election.
:04:57. > :04:59.They were 2 million votes worse off than the Tories.
:05:00. > :05:03.We are in Plymouth where we took a seat off the Tories.
:05:04. > :05:10.And Peter, when Theresa May went to the country,
:05:11. > :05:13.she thought she was going to get a landslide victory.
:05:14. > :05:15.She was putting the party interest first.
:05:16. > :05:21.She has not got a majority in Parliament.
:05:22. > :05:23.Even by your own pathetic logic, if the country rejected her,
:05:24. > :05:37.How can we trust Theresa May to deliver Brexit when she can
:05:38. > :05:48.You know, the hubris from this Prime Minister is astonishing.
:05:49. > :05:50.Really the contempt I think she has had for Parliament
:05:51. > :05:54.Saying that she was going into this election expecting a landslide.
:05:55. > :05:57.My goodness, she has been given a bloody nose.
:05:58. > :06:00.And perhaps she can actually take some lessons from us up in Scotland.
:06:01. > :06:03.We in the SNP, we won the last three Scottish elections and we've
:06:04. > :06:05.actually just won this election in Scotland as well,
:06:06. > :06:10.There are two major issues we are facing.
:06:11. > :06:15.And I think it's absolutely crystal clear from the election result
:06:16. > :06:18.we had two weeks ago there is no longer a majority for a hard Brexit.
:06:19. > :06:21.We have to have humility from the Prime Minister.
:06:22. > :06:24.She needs to reach an accommodation with all the people in this country.
:06:25. > :06:27.Now, we accept that the United Kingdom voted to leave
:06:28. > :06:31.the EU but we also need to have a recognition
:06:32. > :06:33.from the Prime Minister that Scotland, Northern Ireland
:06:34. > :06:40.And it's important that what we have respect across all the government
:06:41. > :06:47.The Prime Minister promised us that we would have the views
:06:48. > :06:49.of the Scottish Government and others taken into account.
:06:50. > :06:53.There has to be a meeting of the Joint Ministerial Committee
:06:54. > :06:55.and we need to make sure, as many have argued for,
:06:56. > :06:58.that the administrations in Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh
:06:59. > :07:02.You think you can hold up the process?
:07:03. > :07:05.What we have said is that we are willing to compromise.
:07:06. > :07:08.We published a document last December recognising
:07:09. > :07:10.the position that the UK is in, but saying quite clearly
:07:11. > :07:13.that we cannot be dragged out of the single market
:07:14. > :07:17.There are 80,000 jobs in Scotland, many more throughout the UK that
:07:18. > :07:20.What do you mean by you are willing to compromise?
:07:21. > :07:23.You are not in a position to demand a compromise, are you?
:07:24. > :07:25.You don't have a majority, you can't put a majority
:07:26. > :07:29.We don't have a majority in the House of Commons
:07:30. > :07:32.but the point is the Government in London doesn't have a majority,
:07:33. > :07:34.and the Government's going to have to listen.
:07:35. > :07:37.Even if you look at the Queen's Speech, it talks about this,
:07:38. > :07:38.about building a consensus across the devolved nations.
:07:39. > :07:41.So we're willing to do that, but we need to make sure
:07:42. > :07:43.that the devolved administrations will be there.
:07:44. > :07:46.We now know that the Government is going to have to come
:07:47. > :07:48.to the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish Government and get
:07:49. > :07:52.So the Government have now got to extend that hand of friendship,
:07:53. > :07:55.to allow us to make sure that we can protect the interests
:07:56. > :07:57.of the Scottish people and the Scottish economy,
:07:58. > :08:00.and by extension we will do a job for people in the rest
:08:01. > :08:02.But lastly also, it's about austerity.
:08:03. > :08:06.There's 9 billion of additional cuts coming in this Parliament,
:08:07. > :08:09.and we need to make sure there's an alternative to those cuts,
:08:10. > :08:15.I find it extraordinary the arguing and name-calling that goes
:08:16. > :08:22.Do you not appreciate where we are, the severity of where we are?
:08:23. > :08:26.Brexit has fractured everything we took for granted as our society.
:08:27. > :08:30.And we need to be very, very realistic about where we are,
:08:31. > :08:36.Because what the Queen's Speech showed is that Government
:08:37. > :08:41.It's not looking after, as somebody mentioned, NHS, or education.
:08:42. > :08:45.It is obsessing with Brexit because they have no idea how
:08:46. > :08:48.they are going to do it in the time, how they are going to get
:08:49. > :08:53.To have said there isn't going to be a Queen's speech next year is just
:08:54. > :08:56.a travesty of democracy, to say that they are just
:08:57. > :09:02.But when it comes to the question on the DUP, there is something that
:09:03. > :09:05.people seem to have missed about this negotiations on DUP.
:09:06. > :09:08.If the DUP get this hard-headed negotiation, 2.5 billion,
:09:09. > :09:12.that they are asking for, the Barnett Formula says
:09:13. > :09:18.that the other devolved powers are going to have
:09:19. > :09:23.That's about 3 billion for Wales, about eight
:09:24. > :09:31.So we in the UK are suddenly going to have to foot that bill.
:09:32. > :09:49.Let me go to one or two members of the audience and then come back.
:09:50. > :09:52.I'd like to follow on from Gina Miller.
:09:53. > :09:55.The irony that we are in the United Kingdom
:09:56. > :09:59.Surely we should be looking at a cross-party alliance.
:10:00. > :10:02.Every single person has voted, every single person is affected by Brexit.
:10:03. > :10:07.However, I do not believe that Tories should be
:10:08. > :10:21.Isn't it the case that Theresa May would already be long gone
:10:22. > :10:23.if the video of her saying to a police officer,
:10:24. > :10:25."Stop scaremongering, stop crying wolf", a Manchester
:10:26. > :10:27.police officer, warning her, pleading with her to reconsider
:10:28. > :10:29.the massive cuts she made to policing as Home Secretary,
:10:30. > :10:33.The media have failed this country terribly in not
:10:34. > :10:37.showing this to the public before the election.
:10:38. > :10:47.Talking about a cross-party alliance to put through Brexit,
:10:48. > :10:51.But I think I would say something to the Remainers,
:10:52. > :10:54.and to people like Gina, to be honest, and probably to quite
:10:55. > :11:02.There was a vote this time last year, 12 months ago,
:11:03. > :11:07.where the majority of the British people voted for Brexit.
:11:08. > :11:14.We then had a general election where 83% of the country
:11:15. > :11:23.I say to the Remainers, yes come on board, let's do
:11:24. > :11:27.a constructive Brexit, don't try and wreck it.
:11:28. > :11:34.Actually, I ensured there was a legal Brexit
:11:35. > :11:37.because if you'd had your way, what we'd have is an illegal Brexit
:11:38. > :11:44.where a Prime Minister was putting herself above what,
:11:45. > :11:46.Parliamentary sovereignty which is the thing you were all
:11:47. > :11:50.You said no objection with Parliamentary sovereignty,
:11:51. > :11:59.Theresa May actually got a million more votes than Labour so where's
:12:00. > :12:01.the million other voices coming from then?
:12:02. > :12:14.In the referendum, EU citizens were affected by it.
:12:15. > :12:18.We were not asked and the people who were UK citizens were not asked
:12:19. > :12:25.So the majority was made up of that and lies and still there is no way
:12:26. > :12:28.that people understand what it means to leave.
:12:29. > :12:34.It's an absolute disgrace that a year on from the European
:12:35. > :12:36.referendum, and I've had European citizens coming to my surgery
:12:37. > :12:38.in tears, because they don't know if their rights
:12:39. > :12:46.This Government could have made a decision to say that those
:12:47. > :12:48.European citizens here, our families, our friends,
:12:49. > :12:50.our colleagues, they're here, they're staying and their rights
:12:51. > :12:55.Well, we did make just that offer last year and while some
:12:56. > :12:58.of our colleagues in Europe were willing to accept
:12:59. > :13:02.that and talk about it, the view amongst others was that
:13:03. > :13:06.until Article 50 had been triggered, that they could not get involved.
:13:07. > :13:18.We should be saying to these people, your future is safe in our country,
:13:19. > :13:23.The threat of deportation that many see is absolutely abhorrent.
:13:24. > :13:26.Hang on a second, Theresa May's apparently today
:13:27. > :13:31.Of course what that guarantee consists of we don't know,
:13:32. > :13:36.but has guaranteed the rights of the citizens
:13:37. > :13:45.That's not been announced in Parliament.
:13:46. > :13:48.If you are going to treat this country with respect,
:13:49. > :13:52.that announcement has to be made in Parliament and there should be
:13:53. > :13:58.What she is doing is explaining the offer in the context
:13:59. > :14:02.of the negotiations to her fellow heads of Government at their meeting
:14:03. > :14:07.Why wasn't there an amendment in the Article 50 Bill?
:14:08. > :14:14.We made an offer to sort 24 issue out ahead of triggering Article 50.
:14:15. > :14:18.The response from your European colleagues was until that
:14:19. > :14:20.treaty process had begun, we couldn't do so.
:14:21. > :14:24.Let me respond if I may, because one of the points has been
:14:25. > :14:43.I was handing out leaflets campaigning very hard
:14:44. > :14:47.I was deeply disappointed by the result but I know had it been
:14:48. > :14:50.52-48 the other way round, I would have been squaring up
:14:51. > :14:52.to those of my colleagues in Parliament who'd campaigned
:14:53. > :14:55.to leave and say sorry chaps, I know it's not what you wanted
:14:56. > :14:58.but you have to accept the public verdict and I think
:14:59. > :15:00.if we are somehow setting aside how people had voted...
:15:01. > :15:03.Don't shout out, I'll bring a microphone to
:15:04. > :15:07.If you shout out, nobody will hear you.
:15:08. > :15:11.If we set aside how people had voted, that will do profound damage
:15:12. > :15:13.to public confidence in the democratic process
:15:14. > :15:17.I want to hear this man here because he's been shouting out,
:15:18. > :15:19.he might as well say what he's got to say.
:15:20. > :15:24.It's somewhat unedifying to see all the politicians and non-politicians
:15:25. > :15:30.There's a common consensus here and you're all dodging
:15:31. > :15:35.The millions of people watching television tonight are screaming
:15:36. > :15:37.and shouting probably at their television screens
:15:38. > :15:41.because you are all studiously avoiding the question -
:15:42. > :15:44.the question was, has Theresa May's Government got
:15:45. > :15:48.any legitimacy after losing their majority.
:15:49. > :15:50.All the pundits, all the academics, commentariats, career politicians
:15:51. > :15:54.represented gathering around this panel tonight guaranteed that
:15:55. > :15:58.Theresa May's gamble would pay off, that she would come back
:15:59. > :16:03.with a majority of 100 seats, 120 seats, that Corbyn would be
:16:04. > :16:11.Jeremy Corbyn's proven that anti-austerity policies are popular.
:16:12. > :16:18.The Tories and the Blairites lost that election.
:16:19. > :16:23.We were talking about Brexit and we've got a Brexit question
:16:24. > :16:26.I would like to take and then we'll go back to maybe Corbyn
:16:27. > :16:34.One year on from the EU referendum, are we any wiser
:16:35. > :16:38.We have all been talking about Brexit.
:16:39. > :16:45.It's still the back of an envelope proposition,
:16:46. > :16:47.we still haven't seen any details, that's what worries me.
:16:48. > :16:50.All this remain/leave debate, it's got to move on.
:16:51. > :16:53.Everyone has to move on because it's not about going back,
:16:54. > :17:05.We need to see the details, we need to see the direction of travel,
:17:06. > :17:07.what are the options, and there is nothing,
:17:08. > :17:10.there is rhetoric, it is empty and means nothing.
:17:11. > :17:12.Sorry, I'm not clear what you are asking for.
:17:13. > :17:17.Do you have a view of what you think Brexit should be like or are
:17:18. > :17:20.you saying that the Prime Minister should say, or David Davis should
:17:21. > :17:27.It should be quite clearly a cross party delegation committee,
:17:28. > :17:30.however you want to call it, that goes forward for the best
:17:31. > :17:35.If they cannot get the best possible deal which gets us into somewhere
:17:36. > :17:37.which isn't similar economically and socially from the defence point
:17:38. > :17:39.of view, all those sorts of different facets,
:17:40. > :17:42.and it's not achievable in the two years, then to my mind,
:17:43. > :17:46.the first thing that should happen is a transitional period should be
:17:47. > :17:52.talked about because it cannot be done in 12 months.
:17:53. > :17:56.You cannot undo 43 years in 12 months.
:17:57. > :17:58.The reason I say 12 months is because it won't start
:17:59. > :18:02.until after the general elections and it needs, as we know,
:18:03. > :18:06.a ratification period of about six months so it's just impossible.
:18:07. > :18:08.Let's start talking about reality here.
:18:09. > :18:19.Do you go into the board telling everybody what you're going to do
:18:20. > :18:25.No, you keep it close to your chest and you tell it
:18:26. > :18:28.The country don't need to know it all yet,
:18:29. > :18:31.when she knows what she needs, she can let us know.
:18:32. > :18:42.Wendy, when I do a negotiating strategy, I have to prepare a very
:18:43. > :18:45.detailed cost analysis of why I'm going down that strategy
:18:46. > :18:55.When you go into negotiation, you have to have a position,
:18:56. > :19:03.Those that need to know know, why should you need to know?
:19:04. > :19:05.No, no, I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about the country.
:19:06. > :19:08.No, no, you're talking about you as well, you don't need
:19:09. > :19:12.to know, none of us need to know yet exactly what's on the table.
:19:13. > :19:14.You should want to know what is going.
:19:15. > :19:17.No, because we know we want to get out of it and that's
:19:18. > :19:27.She won't tell you until she's gone to the table and put it
:19:28. > :19:31.Let's hear from David Lidington on that particular point.
:19:32. > :19:34.Does the Prime Minister,or does David Davis know what he wants and,
:19:35. > :19:37.would you then tell us if you think he does?
:19:38. > :19:40.We know what we want and we've set out the objectives of
:19:41. > :19:47.Those include sorting out on a reciprocal basis
:19:48. > :19:51.the rights of EU citizens here and our own citizens
:19:52. > :19:58.It includes an ambitious third country trade and cooperation
:19:59. > :20:02.agreement with the EU so that we maintain as free trade
:20:03. > :20:05.as possible in those circumstances, that we have arrangements that allow
:20:06. > :20:09.us to continue cooperating with the 27 who'll remain,
:20:10. > :20:13.you know, very close, friends, neighbours
:20:14. > :20:16.David, you will be worrying her because she doesn't want
:20:17. > :20:23.This is laid out in public as an objective.
:20:24. > :20:27.What we are not going to do is to publish a long,
:20:28. > :20:32.detailed analysis of our negotiating position, what we say
:20:33. > :20:36.if the European Union says this to us we'll respond in that way.
:20:37. > :20:42.Nobody in business, nobody in politics, if they're sane
:20:43. > :20:44.does that and reveals it to the other side.
:20:45. > :20:54.Do you agree that the Government's behaving properly and
:20:55. > :20:58.I'm afraid we are not very clear about what the Government's position
:20:59. > :21:01.is, and to be frank, yes, look, I accept that the country
:21:02. > :21:04.voted for Brexit, I obviously campaigned and voted for remain
:21:05. > :21:07.but the country's made a decision and I accept that and we have
:21:08. > :21:10.to move forward and get the best possible deal that puts jobs
:21:11. > :21:12.and prosperity first here in the United Kingdom.
:21:13. > :21:15.But to be frank, I wouldn't trust Theresa May to negotiate her way
:21:16. > :21:24.She still hasn't negotiated the deal with ten DUP MPs, how on earth
:21:25. > :21:28.is she going to negotiate a deal with 27 other European nations.
:21:29. > :21:36.And David Davis in the general election campaign went on one
:21:37. > :21:39.of your rival TV shows and said we are going to have the summer
:21:40. > :21:41.of all rows with the EU over the timetable.
:21:42. > :21:44.He's just caved in this week on the negotiation table.
:21:45. > :21:48.They are not going to put the British interests first.
:21:49. > :21:49.She's lost her mandate, she's lost all authority,
:21:50. > :21:52.they know that and they cannot negotiate the deal.
:21:53. > :21:58.Even without the DUP, the Conservatives have a three
:21:59. > :22:08.Minority Governments, there is a long history
:22:09. > :22:12.It's unstable, as you know, come off it.
:22:13. > :22:22.I'm saying that Theresa May does not just have legitimacy,
:22:23. > :22:28.she has a constitutional duty to form a Government
:22:29. > :22:32.as the largest minority party, she also has a majority,
:22:33. > :22:39.an effective majority over all other parties put together even
:22:40. > :22:42.without the DUP and we mustn't get too excited about this.
:22:43. > :22:43.This Government I'm afraid, it's a great disappointment
:22:44. > :22:46.to you I know, can easily last a very long time.
:22:47. > :22:51.The question was, what does Brexit mean?
:22:52. > :22:55.We don't know what it's going to look like and of course
:22:56. > :22:58.we need to know, we need to be able to plan our live, businesses,
:22:59. > :23:02.we need to be able to plan future strategies after Brexit
:23:03. > :23:06.The EU published its negotiating guidelines ages ago
:23:07. > :23:09.so we know what their stamp on it is but we don't
:23:10. > :23:11.know what ours is, how is that feasible for people
:23:12. > :23:16.You are absolutely right, in has to be a plan.
:23:17. > :23:20.This is not a Government with a plan, this is a shambles.
:23:21. > :23:23.When we had the Article 50 debate in the last Parliament,
:23:24. > :23:26.one of the things we pushed for in the Scottish National Party
:23:27. > :23:29.was to have a so-called reset clause which would have been fantastic
:23:30. > :23:32.opportunity for the Government because if the Government
:23:33. > :23:37.comes back with no deal, it means we reset the whole process
:23:38. > :23:40.that there's an alternative to crashing out of the EU and coming
:23:41. > :23:45.Unfortunately, the Conservatives and Labour would not vote for that
:23:46. > :23:49.opportunity that would have given some protection for people right
:23:50. > :23:53.People talk about the fact that the UK voted to come out,
:23:54. > :23:58.We were told in our referendum in 2014 in Scotland that if we voted
:23:59. > :24:00.to stay within the UK, that our rights to remain
:24:01. > :24:06.Where is the respect to the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland
:24:07. > :24:11.What the Government has to do is to recognise that it's not that
:24:12. > :24:17.They've got to build compromise across the people and the nations
:24:18. > :24:20.of the United Kingdom that respect the differences that exist and allow
:24:21. > :24:24.us together to put forward a deal that would be one that will be
:24:25. > :24:27.to the advantage of all nations of this country.
:24:28. > :24:31.A lot of hands are up, I'll come to you in a second,
:24:32. > :24:35.but David Lidington, we have had voices in Europe now,
:24:36. > :24:38.Donald Tusk saying today he was keeping the door open
:24:39. > :24:51.And the Dutch Prime Minister saying he hates Brexit from every angle
:24:52. > :24:54.and hopes the UK opts for some form of continued membership.
:24:55. > :24:57.What is the Government's attitude to people in Europe saying, hey,
:24:58. > :25:01.Whatever view those of us in Government took in the referendum
:25:02. > :25:04.and there were people who were partisans on both
:25:05. > :25:08.sides in the referendum, but that decision has been taken.
:25:09. > :25:12.But you must love Donald Tusk and Mark Rutte saying these things?
:25:13. > :25:15.What I would say to Donald and Mark and the others,
:25:16. > :25:19.many of these are people I used to see a lot when I was
:25:20. > :25:24.Europe Minister is, right, we want to maintain a close,
:25:25. > :25:27.friendly partnership, we want to have what the PM's termed
:25:28. > :25:29.a deep and special partnership with the 27 countries
:25:30. > :25:32.of the European Union, because there are many challenges
:25:33. > :25:37.There are many things on which we can cooperate together
:25:38. > :25:41.even with us being outside membership of the European Union.
:25:42. > :25:46.So let's try and build that new partnership of cooperation
:25:47. > :25:52.with those neighbouring countries and approach this in a constructive
:25:53. > :25:55.fashion but respecting the democratic decision
:25:56. > :25:57.that the people of the United Kingdom were entitled to take.
:25:58. > :26:12.I work for a local manufacturer who exports around the world.
:26:13. > :26:15.We do a lot to Europe, some to the rest of the world.
:26:16. > :26:17.The rest of the world is a really really tough place
:26:18. > :26:23.Yes, we do it, but Europe is so much closer, geographically, culturally.
:26:24. > :26:24.If there is something to reassure business,
:26:25. > :26:27.something like, yes, we are going to stay
:26:28. > :26:31.in the single market, something like that...
:26:32. > :26:32.Do you expect to get something like that?
:26:33. > :26:35.Certainly staying in the customs union would be really reassuring
:26:36. > :26:41.David talks about wanting free trade with Europe,
:26:42. > :26:45.But the answer to that is the single market.
:26:46. > :26:56.I think in terms of the need to know about what the Brexit plans are,
:26:57. > :26:58.the general election shows that we do need to know.
:26:59. > :27:01.If you want my vote, if you want my trust,
:27:02. > :27:04.I need to know what I may or may not be voting for.
:27:05. > :27:06.I think in the absence of that knowledge, people didn't vote
:27:07. > :27:09.for the Conservative Party that were frankly full of lies,
:27:10. > :27:14.I think in terms of the referendum, the one thing we know about that is,
:27:15. > :27:16.yes, OK, one side won, but it was marginal.
:27:17. > :27:20.So the only logical conclusion is the most marginal Brexit
:27:21. > :27:23.imaginable, that would do its best to unite both sides under some kind
:27:24. > :27:28.The woman up there in the second row from the back.
:27:29. > :27:31.I will go to you and then the person beside you, if you like.
:27:32. > :27:35.Yes, I think some people are getting a little bit fed up
:27:36. > :27:45.We want to know hard and fast, what does it mean?
:27:46. > :27:50.Some of us, quite frankly, you hear Brexit and you start switching off.
:27:51. > :27:55.Let's then move on and look at society and look at all
:27:56. > :27:57.the things that also need looking at, education, NHS, etc.
:27:58. > :28:06.I'd like to say, if Europe wanted us to stay in,
:28:07. > :28:09.why didn't they give David Cameron a better deal when he went
:28:10. > :28:22.We didn't know what Brexit was going to mean when we voted
:28:23. > :28:25.Lies were printed in papers like the Daily Mail,
:28:26. > :28:35.So don't we have a responsibility to the British
:28:36. > :28:40.people to give them a referendum when we know the facts?
:28:41. > :28:41.What were the lies in the Daily Mail?
:28:42. > :28:49.Hospitals have seen none of that.
:28:50. > :28:53.The Mail is an extremely accurate and fair paper.
:28:54. > :29:02.You may not like it, but it is read by an awful lot of people,
:29:03. > :29:07.Including, I imagine, a lot of you in this audience.
:29:08. > :29:11.It's a great newspaper, it doesn't tell lies.
:29:12. > :29:15.To be fair to the Mail, I think it was Boris Johnson
:29:16. > :29:18.and Michael Gove who promised us 350 million a week to the NHS.
:29:19. > :29:21.And I bet you we won't see a penny piece of that
:29:22. > :29:28.The man in the back row, about eight down.
:29:29. > :29:32.I would just like to say that the answer to the reason why
:29:33. > :29:35.people don't actually know that many details about what's happening
:29:36. > :29:38.with Brexit is because it's completely unprecedented.
:29:39. > :29:41.We literally are going into unprecedented waters.
:29:42. > :29:44.We are not going to know what's going to happen on the other side.
:29:45. > :29:47.And secondly, can all the parties just kind of come to a consensus?
:29:48. > :29:49.Because you all fundamentally want the same things.
:29:50. > :29:59.I'd like to answer the lady in the blue at the top right,
:30:00. > :30:01.who made such an interesting point about Brexit getting
:30:02. > :30:06.What I'd say is this, the reason we voted for independence
:30:07. > :30:09.for Britain is that we wanted a democracy where we make
:30:10. > :30:13.our decisions about how we govern ourselves.
:30:14. > :30:15.We can't govern ourselves until we've got Brexit
:30:16. > :30:18.because democratic decisions can't be made by politicians in Britain
:30:19. > :30:24.At the moment, they are made by commissioners and foreign powers.
:30:25. > :30:27.OK, now look, we began with a question about whether Theresa May
:30:28. > :30:32.has to admit she doesn't have a mandate.
:30:33. > :30:36.So what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, so to speak.
:30:37. > :30:40.And let's take a question, please, from Daniel Bulmer.
:30:41. > :30:44.Why won't Jeremy Corbyn accept that he lost the general election?
:30:45. > :30:55.And citing in evidence John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor
:30:56. > :30:59.saying, "I don't think they have the right to govern,
:31:00. > :31:02.they have junked the manifesto", calling for a million people
:31:03. > :31:04.on the streets of London to ensure another election comes
:31:05. > :31:09.Why can't you accept you were defeated?
:31:10. > :31:11.Well, we do accept the election result.
:31:12. > :31:17.We accept the fact that the Tories thought they were going to get
:31:18. > :31:19.a landslide victory and they are a minority government.
:31:20. > :31:23.I'm afraid, sir, it's not irrelevant.
:31:24. > :31:25.Because we now have a weak minority government.
:31:26. > :31:29.And we were told in that general election campaign
:31:30. > :31:32.that she needed a big mandate, that she needed a substantial
:31:33. > :31:36.majority in order to get the best deal for Brexit.
:31:37. > :31:39.She was sent back to the House of Commons as a failure,
:31:40. > :31:42.as the leader of a minority government.
:31:43. > :31:49.We have a Government who may well be in authority
:31:50. > :31:55.They have had to junk their plans to snatch away
:31:56. > :32:00.They have had to junk their plans for grammar schools.
:32:01. > :32:02.They have had to junk their plans for the dementia tax.
:32:03. > :32:08.Because they know they can't get it through the House of Commons.
:32:09. > :32:12.They've got the right to form the Government.
:32:13. > :32:14.Your Chancellor, senior to you in the Shadow Cabinet, says
:32:15. > :32:18.We are all equals in the Shadow Cabinet.
:32:19. > :32:28.So you can disagree with each other and general chaos
:32:29. > :32:35.The only chaos is on the Tory side, David, not our side.
:32:36. > :32:37.More examples of the name-calling and things.
:32:38. > :32:40.And the realism is that as we are sitting here this evening,
:32:41. > :32:44.the EU 27 are sitting having a dinner at which Mrs May will talk.
:32:45. > :32:46.Then she will leave and then they will carve up
:32:47. > :32:50.They will be debating the European Medical Association.
:32:51. > :32:54.They will be debating who gets the European clearing house, EBA.
:32:55. > :33:02.So this whole idea of what's going on here and what we are
:33:03. > :33:04.going to be negotiating, actually we are negotiating
:33:05. > :33:08.And we've got to be realistic about that.
:33:09. > :33:11.And that's why I think a lot of this, what's been said,
:33:12. > :33:17.We are talking about domestic politics just for a moment.
:33:18. > :33:21.You said about the means testing, mentioned the Winter Fuel Payments.
:33:22. > :33:25.What that means is that rich people should not be able to get
:33:26. > :33:30.That money that is saved from that can then go into social care,
:33:31. > :33:32.because social care needs extra money.
:33:33. > :33:34.And the negativity about Brexit is shocking.
:33:35. > :33:41.It's an opportunity for Britain to succeed in the world.
:33:42. > :33:43.The point is, that policy is not going to happen
:33:44. > :33:48.I'm going to try and get people who haven't spoken.
:33:49. > :33:54.I just think that the whole Brexit thing is a good example of the fact
:33:55. > :33:58.that party politics is failing, and what we need to go back
:33:59. > :34:02.to is what Parliament was built for and intended for,
:34:03. > :34:04.which is people like me, an independent candidate
:34:05. > :34:10.That's what we need, because people are putting
:34:11. > :34:11.their parties first, before people, and
:34:12. > :34:21.I'm not a Daily Mail reader, but I have read Animal Farm
:34:22. > :34:26.and wasn't it George Orwell wrote that "some are more
:34:27. > :34:33.But my main point is that, sadly, I think we could do with a lot more
:34:34. > :34:38.The fact is that, with respect to Ian for the SNP, congratulations
:34:39. > :34:41.on your appointment, but you lost 24 out of 56 seats.
:34:42. > :34:53.And I certainly agree that the Conservative campaign
:34:54. > :34:56.was from the textbook how not to run an election.
:34:57. > :35:02.But nevertheless, Labour did finish 50 seats behind.
:35:03. > :35:07.So to pretend that that is a win is just absolute nonsense.
:35:08. > :35:16.I think we might go on because we are over halfway
:35:17. > :35:19.I'd like an opportunity to answer his question.
:35:20. > :35:24.The question about whether Corbyn lost the election.
:35:25. > :35:27.Because I think the important thing is that this is a Parliament
:35:28. > :35:29.of minorities, but we went into this election with a Conservative
:35:30. > :35:34.Now, I actually think there is an opportunity that
:35:35. > :35:36.will come out of this, because I do not believe
:35:37. > :35:38.that there is support across the United Kingdom for austerity.
:35:39. > :35:42.And I would say to Jonathan and to others, and to some friends,
:35:43. > :35:44.even on the Conservative benches, where there are things
:35:45. > :35:49.which are patently wrong, we have to tackle them.
:35:50. > :35:51.And I think one of the reasons that the Conservatives lost that
:35:52. > :35:54.majority support was the attack on the elderly.
:35:55. > :35:58.And one of the biggest injustices is the one that is faced by many
:35:59. > :36:01.women that were born in the 1950s, that have seen an increase
:36:02. > :36:04.in their pensionable age, which is increasing by six years
:36:05. > :36:08.over a very short period, and some of these women were only
:36:09. > :36:18.That's one thing where I want to see a cross-party consensus,
:36:19. > :36:21.that women born in the 1950s get what is rightfully theirs,
:36:22. > :36:28.Something very frightening is happening.
:36:29. > :36:31.If we had another general election, SNP might well end up
:36:32. > :36:35.They both of them are against what they call austerity.
:36:36. > :36:50.And so they have no idea about economics, how
:36:51. > :36:53.to run a country or how to balance the books.
:36:54. > :36:56.I know the NHS is on its knees and we've got a winter crisis.
:36:57. > :36:59.I know the schools are being cut back.
:37:00. > :37:01.I know child poverty is going to rise to 5 million.
:37:02. > :37:04.I know that disabled people are having their benefits cut.
:37:05. > :37:07.That's what austerity is, and that's why we are opposed to it.
:37:08. > :37:14.We will try and keep to the question that
:37:15. > :37:18.Daniel Bulmer asked, if you don't mind, which was why
:37:19. > :37:22.won't Labour accept the result of the election?
:37:23. > :37:31.Can I start by saying this about Jeremy Corbyn?
:37:32. > :37:36.I probably disagree with him on practically everything
:37:37. > :37:39.and I believe the policies that he champions would bring
:37:40. > :37:43.ruin to the country, but I do think that actually
:37:44. > :37:46.all political parties perhaps need to take note of the fact
:37:47. > :37:49.that his campaign was able to touch a chord with a lot of people
:37:50. > :37:52.who felt alienated from the political process.
:37:53. > :37:57.And I think the gentleman there talked about humility,
:37:58. > :38:00.and I think we do need to approach the result with humility.
:38:01. > :38:02.Certainly we do, and all political parties do.
:38:03. > :38:10.And I think we have to play the cards the electorate has dealt us.
:38:11. > :38:14.That does not take away some of the very big challenges.
:38:15. > :38:16.The gentleman over there talked about social care.
:38:17. > :38:20.We have an ageing society, more people living to a great age.
:38:21. > :38:23.We have to find ways in which to continue to put more
:38:24. > :38:29.resources into social care in a way which...
:38:30. > :38:35.Don't shout out, please, because he has to go
:38:36. > :38:40.So you might as well keep quiet and hear what he has to say.
:38:41. > :38:44.You are one person in an audience of 150.
:38:45. > :38:46.I don't want you taking over this programme.
:38:47. > :39:01.And we have to find a way of getting extra resource
:39:02. > :39:04.into social care which is fair between the generations.
:39:05. > :39:07.Because you cannot simply add to the taxes all the time of younger
:39:08. > :39:18.And the corporation tax yield has gone shooting up
:39:19. > :39:21.since the Government reduced the rates of corporation tax,
:39:22. > :39:23.providing more money for the National Health Service,
:39:24. > :39:26.schools, social care and the other public services,
:39:27. > :39:32.so please show a bit of financial literacy.
:39:33. > :39:38.One of the things I'm very concerned about is this whole idea
:39:39. > :39:41.about balancing the books and Brexit and who pays the price at the end
:39:42. > :39:43.of it, because I can see we are leaving problems,
:39:44. > :39:45.piling it up for the next generations.
:39:46. > :39:46.Because actually, the national debt...
:39:47. > :39:49.The Tories have not balanced the books, because our debt has gone
:39:50. > :39:58.The question was about, and you may have forgotten
:39:59. > :40:01.because it was some time ago, the question was about why
:40:02. > :40:06.Do you think Labour is not accepting the result of the election?
:40:07. > :40:08.I thought we had gone on to the others.
:40:09. > :40:11.Try and get back to the point, if you can.
:40:12. > :40:14.I'm sorry, we live in a democratic process where the Conservatives won.
:40:15. > :40:18.They didn't win by a landslide, so it was a hung parliament.
:40:19. > :40:21.I'm not a Conservative, so I didn't lose anything.
:40:22. > :40:31.There is a hung parliament, which is constitutionally
:40:32. > :40:33.allowed in this country, even if there is no
:40:34. > :40:37.The government can operate, because they won.
:40:38. > :40:45.Do we want more instability in this country?
:40:46. > :40:48.I think you ought to leave, you know, because...
:40:49. > :41:19.that the maths does not work with Labour and all the other
:41:20. > :41:30.I'm not a Conservative voter but I think we need some type of stability
:41:31. > :41:33.in our country. We need to let the Government see if they can carry
:41:34. > :41:37.this forward. We don't know if they can. The first hurdle will be
:41:38. > :41:44.whether they can get the vote on the Queen's Speech next week. If they do
:41:45. > :41:48.not, it will be the first time the Queen's speech has been voted on and
:41:49. > :41:52.not gone through. That's how Farage ill our constitutional landscape is,
:41:53. > :41:59.that's how fragile our political landscape is. We have to be sensible
:42:00. > :42:04.about this, we have to let the Government try.
:42:05. > :42:09.I can see you are keen to speak but we have another question. We are 40
:42:10. > :42:14.minutes through the programme. Before we go to it, we are in
:42:15. > :42:22.Hastings next week. If you didn't feel you had your shout here, you
:42:23. > :42:28.can come there. And we are in Burton upon Trent the week after that, so
:42:29. > :42:31.Hastings then Burton. The details of how to get to be in the audience are
:42:32. > :42:37.on the screen and I'll give them again at the end. This question from
:42:38. > :42:46.Chris Wilcox, please? Is austerity responsible for the
:42:47. > :42:51.deaths of the Grenfell residents? There is a context here in Plymouth
:42:52. > :42:58.because it's been confirmed today that three of the tower blocks in
:42:59. > :43:03.Plymouth are among the seven in the UK that have so far been revealed of
:43:04. > :43:08.having similar cladding to the Grenfell Tower. But the question is,
:43:09. > :43:13.I suppose, springs from Labour's point about this, if you deny local
:43:14. > :43:20.authorities the funding they need, there's a price to be paid, as
:43:21. > :43:25.Jeremy Corbyn said. Ian Blacked for is austerity responsible? It's
:43:26. > :43:35.important firstly that we pay our respects to the people that suffered
:43:36. > :43:42.as we saw the terrible horror of the people and the terror they must have
:43:43. > :43:50.gone through. We are also aware of the tremendous emergency services.
:43:51. > :43:54.APPLAUSE. I am delighted there'll be a public
:43:55. > :43:58.inquiry and it's important that those that lived in the gren fell
:43:59. > :44:02.tower get the answers that they deserve. First and foremost, it
:44:03. > :44:08.should be about the people there. There has to be an absolute
:44:09. > :44:12.determination by all of us that this must never happen again. To what
:44:13. > :44:17.extent do you think from what has come out already that austerity and
:44:18. > :44:23.cuts and the funding of local councils across the country under
:44:24. > :44:30.both Labour and Conservative administrations has led to people
:44:31. > :44:34.cutting corners? We have to look at what we have done with quantitative
:44:35. > :44:38.easing. We have poured ?435 billion into quantitative easing at the time
:44:39. > :44:49.we said we haven't got money for fiscal responsibilities. We have a
:44:50. > :45:00.responsibility to make sure we have a society that has money. We
:45:01. > :45:04.havended up in this situation. We all have to learn lessons. The
:45:05. > :45:13.political culture that has developed, and also the fact that we
:45:14. > :45:18.need to have a balanced housing policy and we need to recognise for
:45:19. > :45:22.for people living in social housing, we deserve to have the best
:45:23. > :45:24.circumstances and building materials as we would have in private estates
:45:25. > :45:30.as well. APPLAUSE.
:45:31. > :45:36.First of all it's very important to say we don't know the answer. It's
:45:37. > :45:40.very important not to... The Government's called rightly, a full
:45:41. > :45:43.inquiry. We mustn't jump to conclusions or make sweeping
:45:44. > :45:50.statements after a day or two, as I think some have. It's of such a
:45:51. > :45:58.serious issue and it's so clearly the case these all be made safe,
:45:59. > :46:02.these tower blocks. Paradoxically, it looks as though spending money
:46:03. > :46:06.made the tower blocks more dangerous because this cladding was added and
:46:07. > :46:10.it's flammable and without the old system whereby each flat was
:46:11. > :46:16.protected from each other one seems to have somehow been broken down.
:46:17. > :46:23.But that said, I do think there is an issue about the kind of society
:46:24. > :46:26.we live in. I think there is a metaphor about Kensington and
:46:27. > :46:33.Chelsea although there is no evidence that it could have happened
:46:34. > :46:36.near a Labour borough as well. Kensington and Chelsea boast about
:46:37. > :46:40.how low their rates are in a borough where so many people are very, very
:46:41. > :46:49.rich, and I do worry that there is something wrong about that.
:46:50. > :46:54.The man there in the white shirt? The building regulations have not
:46:55. > :47:01.been changed for 20 years by successive Governments. Theresa May
:47:02. > :47:06.should order a ban on using any type of cladding until the public inquiry
:47:07. > :47:12.concludes. OK. But the question is... You at the centre, the third
:47:13. > :47:19.row from the back? I would like to correct his facts. Whose facts? Mr
:47:20. > :47:24.Oborne. The cladding that was put on was flammable and it was ?2 less a
:47:25. > :47:30.unit than the fire resistant stuff. The price to put the fire resistant
:47:31. > :47:33.cladding on would have been ?5,000 for the entire building! And you're
:47:34. > :47:37.telling me this is not because of austerity, that we don't know the
:47:38. > :47:42.answer. I'm absolutely flabbergasted, Sir. That wasn't his
:47:43. > :47:47.answer. His answer was the cladding was the
:47:48. > :47:52.flammable cause why the flames jumped from flat-to-flat. That was
:47:53. > :47:57.his... It would have taken ?2 more to put the fire resistant cladding
:47:58. > :48:08.on and that austerity council decided to put the cheaper stuff on.
:48:09. > :48:12.Can I say something... There were no fire extinguishers in
:48:13. > :48:17.the flats, we know that, and no sprinkling system. One thing I'm
:48:18. > :48:22.more concerned about, we are looking at all the other tower blocks. But
:48:23. > :48:27.what about all the other public buildings like schools and places we
:48:28. > :48:32.go to work and everywhere else, does this mean there should actually be a
:48:33. > :48:37.review of all public buildings because if you look at it, some of
:48:38. > :48:44.the new schools don't have sprinkler systems because it's not required.
:48:45. > :48:51.David Lidington is there an issue of austerity? Firstly I want to say, I
:48:52. > :48:55.want to agree with Ian, actually whatever our politics here, I think
:48:56. > :49:02.any words are frankly inadequate to describe what the families have gone
:49:03. > :49:06.through. I think that all parties who've all been in Government at
:49:07. > :49:12.various times in the last 25 years, we all need to do a bit of soul
:49:13. > :49:20.searching about this and Peter did touch on the important point because
:49:21. > :49:28.one of the things that strikes me is that the local community in North
:49:29. > :49:34.Ken clearly feels utterly mistrustful of, and alienated from
:49:35. > :49:39.public authorities and officialdom of all types. That does say to me
:49:40. > :49:45.that, as a country - again I hope this can be sort of cross party
:49:46. > :49:51.views - we have to do something to heal that division. These people are
:49:52. > :49:54.as much part of our country and are entitled to the right
:49:55. > :49:59.responsibilities of citizens of this country as any of us on the panel or
:50:00. > :50:06.any of us here in the audience. APPLAUSE.
:50:07. > :50:10.Now, in terms of attributing blame, I'll say one technical point to then
:50:11. > :50:19.talk more generally about. The technical point is that it's already
:50:20. > :50:23.contrary to existing regulations, to have combustible cladding on any
:50:24. > :50:30.high-rise. I think Camden Council's already said this evening that
:50:31. > :50:34.they're taking legal advice having found that combustible cladding is
:50:35. > :50:43.allegedly on at least one of their tower blocks. There is a Fire
:50:44. > :50:48.Service investigation under way to diagnose precisely the cause of this
:50:49. > :50:51.fire and what the various contributory factors were. There is
:50:52. > :50:55.a criminal investigation going on and I'm going to be very careful in
:50:56. > :51:00.what I say because I don't want to use any language that might, if a
:51:01. > :51:07.person or a company was subsequently charged with a criminal offence,
:51:08. > :51:14.could prejudice a trial in court, which is what might happen. The
:51:15. > :51:23.inquiry will be led by a judge appointed by the Lord Chief Justice
:51:24. > :51:32.with full powers to call for witnesses, for documentary evidence.
:51:33. > :51:35.I think it's the inquiry, the various inquiry investigations I
:51:36. > :51:40.describe that will give us the answers. I've already said
:51:41. > :51:45.combustible cladding in a high-rise is contrary to existing rules, and
:51:46. > :51:49.we need to let the experts examine the evidence and then we should act
:51:50. > :51:54.swiftly on the findings of those investigations. All right. Jonathan
:51:55. > :52:00.Ashworth? Austerity was the question, as the
:52:01. > :52:08.man pointed out? Like all on the panel, thoughts with those who lost
:52:09. > :52:12.their lives and with loved ones and those who need help to rebuild their
:52:13. > :52:16.lives, it will probably take months, years. I want to pay tribute to the
:52:17. > :52:20.extraordinary efforts of the emergency services. Haven't our
:52:21. > :52:24.emergency services been tested so many times in recent weeks and
:52:25. > :52:24.months and haven't they done us proud.
:52:25. > :52:34.APPLAUSE. We need an inquiry, it does appear,
:52:35. > :52:38.according to reports, that the council chose this cheaper cladding,
:52:39. > :52:42.we need to understand what the legalities of it are and we need to
:52:43. > :52:48.know why the local authority came to that decision. On the point about
:52:49. > :52:51.austerity, there is an issue here because many local authorities
:52:52. > :52:58.across the country have not been able to, but are now quite rightly
:52:59. > :53:03.wanting to fit sprinklers, went to change cladding on buildings. One
:53:04. > :53:05.thing I want to say to you David in all sincerity is, please as a
:53:06. > :53:10.Government give local authorities the money to fit the sprinklers now,
:53:11. > :53:14.they need them now. APPLAUSE.
:53:15. > :53:24.We've got three or four minutes left. Terry Portman, your question?
:53:25. > :53:28.If the DUP get an extra ?2 billion for Northern Ireland for their ten
:53:29. > :53:32.MPs to support the Government, can Devon and Cornwall expect ?4 billion
:53:33. > :53:38.for our 20 MPs to support the Government?
:53:39. > :53:49.APPLAUSE. Peter Oborne? I don't think ?2
:53:50. > :53:58.billion is the right sum of money to give to the DUP. You cannot allow
:53:59. > :54:03.yourself to bribe MPs for support. But if they do get it, should Devon
:54:04. > :54:06.and Cornwall get some? Setting out an excellent reason why the Tory
:54:07. > :54:11.party should not do a deal with the DUP because the SNP, they'll be
:54:12. > :54:21.after more money next and so will everybody else. Devon and Cornwall
:54:22. > :54:24.won't. You want to treated as a special case like Northern Ireland.
:54:25. > :54:29.Do you want independence? Maybe we'd get our railway here and your people
:54:30. > :54:36.could arrive on time. You want to be treated like Scotland and Wales and
:54:37. > :54:41.Northern Ireland? All right. David Lidington, you've got a minute. Or
:54:42. > :54:45.less. Right. Devon and corn, particularly Plymouth and Cornwall,
:54:46. > :54:50.too many people fail to realise, they're pretty poor in the material
:54:51. > :54:56.sense, in this part of the country. So we do need to... We know that.
:54:57. > :54:59.Which is why spending has gone up, I could point to the increases that
:55:00. > :55:06.the local Health Service is getting here to the money that's been set
:55:07. > :55:09.aside to try and provide must have-needed improvement to transport
:55:10. > :55:13.links. Nonsense. You will only be able to distribute money if it's
:55:14. > :55:16.been created by a free enterprise economy that thrives in the first
:55:17. > :55:19.place. So how is the DUP going to get the extra money? I don't know
:55:20. > :55:25.what is going to come out of those talks. She thinks the DUP are
:55:26. > :55:31.getting it. I think let us see what comes out of the negotiations. Ian
:55:32. > :55:36.Blacked for, I have to whizz round. One thing we have said is austerity
:55:37. > :55:40.must end. After the next ?118 billion to be invested in this
:55:41. > :55:43.Parliament - by the way, that would balance the books - we have to
:55:44. > :55:46.recognise the fact that wages are lower than inflation. There is a
:55:47. > :55:50.pressure on living standards, we need to investigate in the living
:55:51. > :55:52.standards, Plymouth, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, give some
:55:53. > :55:58.people hope of a better future. OK. Gina Miller?
:55:59. > :56:02.The magic money tree is an interesting one because I have to
:56:03. > :56:07.say, even independent sources have said both manifestos were not costed
:56:08. > :56:10.in any realistic way and all of this promising of money, where is it
:56:11. > :56:14.going to come from at a time when our economy now is... We are now the
:56:15. > :56:16.lowest of all the EU member states when you look at our economy growth
:56:17. > :56:20.this year. APPLAUSE.
:56:21. > :56:24.I mean, you know, we are endangering our country. All the austerity cuts
:56:25. > :56:32.when it comes to our first response services are being damaged at a time
:56:33. > :56:39.when we need to feel safe. The man there? We have only got 60 seconds
:56:40. > :56:42.left. You will have to be quick. Quantitative easing ?70 billion in
:56:43. > :56:47.August, that's a magic money tree, who does it feed? The banks. We can
:56:48. > :56:53.raise money for infrastructure for what's important, we can also tax
:56:54. > :57:01.those who're paying less tax, comparative to support the whole of
:57:02. > :57:04.the community. All right. Tax them. I don't begrudge the people of
:57:05. > :57:08.Northern Ireland getting an extra ?1 billion to invest in the National
:57:09. > :57:14.Health Service, but if they are going to get extra investment, the
:57:15. > :57:16.English NHS needs extra investment and needs not to be cut back like it
:57:17. > :57:26.is at the moment. All right. I'm afraid our time is pretty well
:57:27. > :57:31.up, sorry. Thank you. We only get an hour, you know. Next week we are
:57:32. > :57:35.going to be in Hastings and we know by next week whether the Government
:57:36. > :57:38.has survived the votes on the Queen's speech. The international
:57:39. > :57:46.trade secretary Liam Fox is going to be on the panel. Then in
:57:47. > :57:52.Burton-on-Trent, go to the website, you can come there, or ring us.
:57:53. > :57:57.Hastings or Burton-on-Trent. If you are listening on Radio 5 Live,
:57:58. > :58:01.Question Time extra time follows this television programme. Here, my
:58:02. > :58:05.thanks to the panel, to all of you who came to Plymouth to take part.
:58:06. > :58:35.Until next Thursday, from Question Time, good night.
:58:36. > :58:39.Across the country, 11 million people