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:00:21. > :00:25.Good evening. Tonight: the unexpected text. 30,000 school

:00:25. > :00:30.pupils are send their exam results at the early by mistake. Some

:00:30. > :00:35.people are quite upset by it the exam results because they got bad

:00:35. > :00:40.results that they were expecting to get tomorrow. Quite a lot of them

:00:40. > :00:46.are upset by that. The exam a polity lot is an enquiry but says

:00:46. > :00:53.no one will benefit from the error. Also on the programme: �20,000 to

:00:53. > :01:03.donate your kidney? A controversial proposal. In Scotland, it is summer,

:01:03. > :01:10.so it must be raining. Our presenter has been finding out why.

:01:10. > :01:13.The Batman live stage show comes to Glasgow.

:01:14. > :01:19.An enquiry is under way as to why thousands of school pupils received

:01:19. > :01:23.their exam results at the early. Almost 30,000 pupils receive their

:01:23. > :01:29.grades by text around 30 Arrows -- 24 hours before they were due to be

:01:29. > :01:32.sent. The Scottish qualifications Authority insists the results are

:01:32. > :01:41.correct and that no one will benefit from getting them early,

:01:41. > :01:46.but teachers say this has caused distress for some pupils.

:01:46. > :01:50.The exam board has been found wanting. One in five Scottish

:01:51. > :01:54.candidates has received results one day early, out of the blue. Some

:01:54. > :01:59.people are quite upset by the exam results because they got a bad

:01:59. > :02:04.results, they were expecting to get them tomorrow, and a lot of people

:02:04. > :02:12.found out they have not got the university. At lunchtime, up texts

:02:12. > :02:17.suddenly appeared on mobile phones. Some candidates to give in their

:02:17. > :02:21.stride, others were unprepared, upset. Quite clearly it should not

:02:21. > :02:25.have happened. They should have made sure that the contractor was

:02:25. > :02:28.doing this at the right moment. That being said, I fully recognise

:02:28. > :02:35.the issue now is making sure those young people get the support that

:02:35. > :02:40.would have been in place at a and that tomorrow morning. -- A A M

:02:40. > :02:45.tomorrow morning. This is the number of the helpline recommended

:02:45. > :02:51.by the Scottish Government. To add to the confusion, the Scottish

:02:51. > :02:56.qualifications Authority is running a helpline of its own. Today's

:02:56. > :03:03.events have echoes of the year 2000, when thousands received results

:03:04. > :03:06.that were incomplete, late or wrong. Today, calls from schools and

:03:06. > :03:11.ministers for the Scottish qualifications Authority to provide

:03:11. > :03:15.answers. The texts were sent out early, and we are working with the

:03:15. > :03:19.contractor to find out why it happened. We take this issue very

:03:19. > :03:25.seriously. Because this is a time of great stress for the students

:03:25. > :03:31.and parents, and something we deeply regret. Since the fiasco 11

:03:31. > :03:36.years ago, and a small episode seven years ago, the organisation

:03:36. > :03:43.has tried to establish a reputation for reliability. This generates

:03:43. > :03:48.uncertainty and stressed that candidates do not need.

:03:48. > :03:55.Anyone looking for help or advice about their exam results can

:03:55. > :04:01.contact the Skills Development Scotland helpline.

:04:01. > :04:04.How much is a human kidney worth? Around �28,000 according to a

:04:04. > :04:08.Dundee academic. Sue Rabbitt Roff has suggested allowing people to

:04:09. > :04:13.sell their kidneys. Students might choose to donate one and receive

:04:13. > :04:21.the money to pay off debt. She says it would increase the number of

:04:21. > :04:26.donor organs available, but is it a good idea? Today, three people will

:04:26. > :04:30.die because they cannot get a kidney transplant. One academic

:04:30. > :04:35.says it is time to rethink organ donation, and people to donate

:04:35. > :04:41.kidneys. We need ask the British public, not the doctors or the

:04:41. > :04:46.charities, but the British public, about whether they would entertain

:04:46. > :04:53.the possibility of doing it for a reasonable sum. We decided to ask

:04:53. > :05:00.the public, in particular students, who, at Sue Rabbitt Roff suggests,

:05:00. > :05:10.might pay off their debts. �28,000 is the amount suggested. Not really,

:05:10. > :05:10.

:05:10. > :05:15.I do not think so. �28,000, it is a difficult decision. I would

:05:15. > :05:19.consider it, but such major implications on your own health.

:05:19. > :05:29.telling a kidney? It sounds a bit ridiculous. Why would you want to

:05:29. > :05:32.

:05:32. > :05:37.do that? You would make a lot of money. Even that is not worth it.

:05:37. > :05:45.This restaurant owner is desperate for a kidney. As someone of Asian

:05:45. > :05:49.origin. -- of Asian origin, it is difficult to find a match. He

:05:49. > :05:53.thinks an opt-out solution would be a better and cheaper solution.

:05:53. > :05:57.think it is the wrong idea, they should look at other countries like

:05:58. > :06:05.Spain, where you are automatically a donor unless you're out. That

:06:06. > :06:09.makes sense in my opinion. As soon as you make money for organs, -- or

:06:09. > :06:17.for money, you tend to people to lie about their state of health.

:06:17. > :06:21.For that reason it is unlikely it will ever be allowed. A 21-year-old

:06:21. > :06:25.man from Glasgow has drowned while on holiday in Ibiza. Harry Besford

:06:25. > :06:33.is believed to have been pulled unconscious from a hotel swimming

:06:33. > :06:38.pool in the resorts of San Antonio. The still to come on the programme

:06:38. > :06:43.before 7pm: we look to the 15-year- old on the brink of being snapped

:06:43. > :06:49.up by a Formula One team. In other sport, the latest on Rangers's

:06:49. > :06:52.attempt to qualify for the Champions League. What does the new

:06:52. > :07:02.Hearts manager make of the fury over the sacking of his

:07:02. > :07:06.

:07:06. > :07:10.predecessor? Find out later. Drugs with a street value of �33

:07:11. > :07:13.million have been seized in the past year by that Holidays 4 UK --

:07:13. > :07:21.by the Scottish Crime and Drugs Enforcement Agency. They have also

:07:22. > :07:31.recovered a record amount of hard cash, Our Home Affairs

:07:32. > :07:33.

:07:33. > :07:38.Correspondent is here to explain. - we are used to huge figures from

:07:38. > :07:43.the Scottish Crime and Drugs Enforcement Agency. The estimated

:07:43. > :07:49.street value of the drugs from last street value of the drugs from last

:07:49. > :07:54.year was �33 million, and the agency has taken war over �1

:07:54. > :07:59.million in hard cash from criminals. They say this is the most important

:07:59. > :08:06.figure. 59 crime groups have been figure. 59 crime groups have been

:08:06. > :08:16.disrupted. This is how the police have traditionally illustrated

:08:16. > :08:16.

:08:16. > :08:20.their success against drug dealers. This is the high profile face of

:08:20. > :08:23.police attempts to drive dealers off the streets and out of the

:08:23. > :08:25.communities they are blighting. Things are changing, with Scottish

:08:25. > :08:32.Crime and Drugs Enforcement Agency targeting the wider activities of

:08:32. > :08:39.drug gangs. This man was jailed for 12 years last March, he had been

:08:39. > :08:44.organising the smuggling of cocaine from Colombia. Members of his gang

:08:44. > :08:52.were arrested in the Dominican Republic and received terms

:08:52. > :08:56.totalling 20 years. Two suppliers were also arrested. The director-

:08:56. > :09:02.general says this is the new pattern of operations, disrupting

:09:02. > :09:06.the activities of the gangs that caused these crimes. It is

:09:06. > :09:09.intelligence that is leading it, and the lesson we have learned is

:09:09. > :09:16.follow the money. In organised crime terms, if you follow the

:09:16. > :09:24.money, you will have more success than kicking on doors. While the

:09:24. > :09:28.seizures remain important, the agency is stepping up opportunities.

:09:28. > :09:35.The agency says it is having some success in preventing drugs from

:09:36. > :09:39.reaching Scotland's streets. Purity levels of heroin or around 67 --

:09:39. > :09:46.levels of heroin or around 67 -- around seven %, compared to 13 %

:09:46. > :09:48.years ago. Cocaine purity is also down. The Scottish Crime and Drugs

:09:48. > :09:52.Enforcement Agency says this is because supplies are being

:09:52. > :09:56.interrupted by the police, but also because they are preventing

:09:56. > :10:04.criminal gangs from retaining the criminal gangs from retaining the

:10:04. > :10:11.cash they need to reinvest in new suppliers. Have you ever got a poor

:10:11. > :10:16.deal from door-to-door salesman? To prevent this, cold-calling control

:10:16. > :10:25.zones are being set up around the country. How effective are they?

:10:25. > :10:28.Our correspondent has visited the latest sown. -- the latest area. An

:10:28. > :10:34.unexpected house call from strangers, but they are not trying

:10:34. > :10:37.to sell anything. They are highlighting Scotland's latest

:10:37. > :10:44.cold-calling control zone. It is a move to tackle a problem residents

:10:44. > :10:49.are all too aware of. Of late it has not has been electric companies,

:10:49. > :10:54.charities, they want direct debit, that puts you under pressure,

:10:54. > :10:59.because you feel guilty about saying no, we do not really have

:10:59. > :11:04.problems with people selling wares, it is more companies offering

:11:04. > :11:11.contract, wanting you to sign. Ultimately, it is for the people

:11:11. > :11:15.who live here to make the most of this zone. The overall aim is

:11:15. > :11:19.consumer empowerment. Residents get an information pack, spelling out

:11:19. > :11:24.their right. Signs and stickers that say that cold-calling is not

:11:24. > :11:27.welcome, and patrols that keep an eye out. It is important that

:11:27. > :11:34.consumers know someone is keeping an eye out that will support them

:11:34. > :11:41.if they feel they are in a position to be ripped off. It is

:11:41. > :11:47.particularly for elderly people who stay on their own. Do these areas

:11:47. > :11:54.of work? Energy companies say they will observe them. What about other

:11:54. > :12:04.unwanted salesman? We have done consultations on the previous

:12:04. > :12:09.owners and householders definitely receive a significant decrease.

:12:09. > :12:18.These areas can certainly offer consumers reassurance, but one test

:12:18. > :12:24.is whether they be the crackdown on conmen or send an somewhere else.

:12:24. > :12:30.Some of the other stories across Scotland: a travel firm which flies

:12:31. > :12:37.from Glasgow and Edinburgh airport has collapsed. Arrangements have

:12:37. > :12:44.been made to try to repatriate 12,000 holidaymakers in Turkey who

:12:44. > :12:50.used Holidays 4 UK. Dragons' Den star Duncan Bannatyne says whoever

:12:50. > :12:55.threatened his daughter on the internet is a coward. He offered

:12:55. > :13:03.�30,000 for information following threats sent by e-mail. They

:13:03. > :13:07.demanded �35,000 in return for his safety. A Second World War mine

:13:07. > :13:14.found this year only eight feet from the 40s oil pipeline 25 miles

:13:14. > :13:24.east of Peter Head has been moved to safety. BP says it is awaiting

:13:24. > :13:27.

:13:27. > :13:30.It's Scotland, it's summer, so the likelihood is it's raining, though

:13:30. > :13:35.perhaps not today. Recently it has felt like our summers only feature

:13:35. > :13:39.a few days of sun and are increasingly wet, cold and cloudy.

:13:39. > :13:41.If that is the case, why? Our weather presenter Stav Danaos has

:13:41. > :13:49.been looking for some answers ahead of the Great British Weather

:13:49. > :13:53.programme, which tonight comes from Stirling.

:13:53. > :13:57.I am here in sterling. Behind the you can see the preparations for

:13:57. > :14:06.the Great British Weather show going on. It is a lovely, sunny day

:14:06. > :14:16.today, but over the last few months, has it been that great?

:14:16. > :14:17.

:14:17. > :14:22.Edinburgh. Perth. Inverness. Glasgow. Let's face it, the summer

:14:22. > :14:28.of 2011 has not been a great one. And, we may have felt cheated out

:14:28. > :14:33.of a summer for some time. In fact, the last time we had what would be

:14:33. > :14:37.described as a good summer with a long, hot spells, was back in 2006.

:14:37. > :14:43.How do you think this summer has been so far this year? This summer

:14:43. > :14:46.has been absolutely dreadful, apart from the last three or four days.

:14:46. > :14:50.This summer I don't think we have had a summer so far. It is

:14:50. > :14:55.debatable. It has been quite sunny Sundays and other days have been

:14:55. > :14:59.really bad. You want to go out every day and enjoy summer, but you

:14:59. > :15:02.can't always. Apart from the last few days it has been rubbish.

:15:02. > :15:06.Looking at the statistics, June and July this year have been pretty

:15:06. > :15:10.disappointing. Rain has been above average, and sunshine and

:15:10. > :15:13.temperatures have been below average across the country. But

:15:13. > :15:17.mostly fits the pattern of the previous few years, although

:15:18. > :15:22.temperatures have gone up slightly. If you look at summers over a

:15:22. > :15:26.longer period of time, it is actually an improvement. Rainfall

:15:26. > :15:31.has dramatically decreased. Sunshine is around the same, and

:15:31. > :15:36.temperatures are up slightly. So, what is the explanation for this

:15:36. > :15:40.year been so wet? In an ideal summer, this is what happens. We

:15:40. > :15:43.would have regular high pressure over Scandinavia, bringing in walk,

:15:43. > :15:47.-- bringing in warm, dry air from the Continent. Instead, we have

:15:47. > :15:52.seen more high pressure in the North Atlantic, which has produced

:15:53. > :15:57.cooler, wetter air across Scotland. Weather forecasters call it natural

:15:57. > :16:01.climatic variation. Others may call it simply disappointing. The answer

:16:01. > :16:06.is, some as in Scotland are not always warm, dry and sunny.

:16:06. > :16:11.Sometimes we get good ones, sometimes we don't. But, when the

:16:11. > :16:16.sunshine does come out, let's just go out there and enjoy it.

:16:16. > :16:20.Well, it has been a glorious day here today. I will be back later

:16:20. > :16:23.with a full forecast to tell you if this sunshine is going to continue.

:16:23. > :16:30.At 7:30pm you can see the Great British Weather show on BBC One

:16:30. > :16:34.Scotland, live here at Stirling Castle.

:16:34. > :16:37.It's not often a fisherman is happy about the one that got away, but an

:16:37. > :16:40.angler who caught an osprey on his fishing line has been praised for

:16:40. > :16:44.saving its life. Alistair Scott managed to cut the osprey free,

:16:44. > :16:49.wrap it in a woolly jacket and keep it in the porch of his tent by the

:16:49. > :16:53.fire until it had recovered. The RSPB manager at Loch Insh Marshes

:16:53. > :17:01.at Kincraig said Mr Scott had done exactly the right thing in saving

:17:01. > :17:05.what's believed to be the male of the reserve's only breeding pair.

:17:05. > :17:09.He can handle a car at more than a 16mph, but he's too young to

:17:09. > :17:12.legally drive, at a very much slower speed, on public roads.

:17:12. > :17:15.Now 15-year-old Gregor Ramsay from East Kilbride is on the brink of

:17:15. > :17:23.being snapped up by one of the world's most prestigious Formula

:17:23. > :17:31.One teams. Suzanne Allan went to meet him.

:17:31. > :17:40.A scale, speed, determination -- skill. Attributes needed to make it

:17:40. > :17:47.to the top. Gregor Ramsay is only 15. In two months' time, he could

:17:47. > :17:54.be a Ferrari driver and on the road to Formula One. You're only 30 mm

:17:54. > :17:59.of the ground, going at speeds of 80 mph, so it is very exciting.

:17:59. > :18:02.Racing karts since the age of 10, last week Gregor was on trial at

:18:02. > :18:06.the Ferrari Academy in Italy. It is a rare thing to be an Academy

:18:06. > :18:10.driver - there are only five others in the world. But it comes at a

:18:10. > :18:18.cost. Gregor dry-ice nearly daily, so weekends for the family are

:18:18. > :18:26.spent trackside. Blood, sweat and tears. A lot of travelling. A lot

:18:26. > :18:31.of time, and a lot of pressure on the family. But, if he is in the

:18:31. > :18:36.top five and he does well, you have got to keep going. David Coltart

:18:37. > :18:41.and Colin McRae have all trained at this track. How does he compare to

:18:41. > :18:46.the greats? Recently it is only Lewis Hamilton who has been picked

:18:46. > :18:50.up by a Formula One team at a young age. Athletes have a shelf-life,

:18:50. > :18:54.and ultimately will retire. You have got to be looking through the

:18:54. > :18:59.ranks to see where your next star player will come from. He is too

:18:59. > :19:03.young to even hold a licence, but no space he is driving at over 165

:19:03. > :19:13.mph. If the Ferrari deal comes off, and it looks likely that it will,

:19:13. > :19:18.

:19:18. > :19:23.he could be Scotland's answer took Lewis Hamilton.

:19:23. > :19:28.Rangers are playing Malmo in the third round of the qualifying Lee.

:19:28. > :19:30.They are 1-0 down in the first leg, so Ally McCoist's team must win

:19:30. > :19:40.today to have any chance of reaching the final qualifying round.

:19:40. > :19:44.So far it looks good, even though Rangers are down to 10 men.

:19:44. > :19:50.Whitaker was shown the red card. Five minutes after that, it got a

:19:50. > :19:54.whole lot better for the Scottish champions. This O'Rourke -- this

:19:54. > :19:57.glorious goal means that at half- time Rangers are one up on the

:19:57. > :20:02.night and now the tide is delicately poised at one apiece on

:20:02. > :20:09.aggregate. You can listen to the rest of the match alive on BBC

:20:09. > :20:14.Radio Scotland. Afterwards there is a chance to express your views on

:20:14. > :20:18.that match. No doubt Hearts fans will have

:20:18. > :20:24.plenty to say about the appointment of Paulo Sergio as the club's new

:20:24. > :20:27.manager. He has had his say today, promising gradual change. He

:20:27. > :20:33.praised his sacked predecessor Jim Jefferies as a great man. He says

:20:33. > :20:40.his only ambition at the moment is beating the Hungarian side in the

:20:40. > :20:45.Europa League qualifier tomorrow. Another day and another new manager

:20:45. > :20:49.steps into the time Castle hot seat. Paulo Sergio, the latest recruit,

:20:49. > :20:57.and he says he can understand why the fans and players were unhappy

:20:57. > :21:03.about a change of management. glad that they aren't satisfied

:21:03. > :21:12.with the change. That is a sign of their character. They expect a lot

:21:12. > :21:16.from the team, as I do. The Hearts manager was not in the media

:21:16. > :21:26.conference today, but he did release a statement on website,

:21:26. > :21:38.

:21:38. > :21:45.And, Sergio says that if he is shown the door then he would have

:21:45. > :21:49.no problems in moving on. The board, the guys who have the power to make

:21:50. > :21:55.those kind of decisions, if they aren't satisfied with my job, I

:21:55. > :21:58.will be cut my bag and go. first task for the new manager is

:21:58. > :22:04.to get parts through the play-off round of the Europa League tomorrow

:22:04. > :22:07.night. The man chosen to captain Scotland

:22:07. > :22:12.in their first rugby warm-up match has been talking up his credentials

:22:12. > :22:16.to lead the side. Rory Lawson brief is the skipper the Scots to a win

:22:16. > :22:20.over the world champions South Africa, and then as a "talking up",

:22:20. > :22:24.it is actually his careful choice of words that sets him apart.

:22:24. > :22:28.would like to think that I am relatively concise in what I say,

:22:28. > :22:34.and just try to get my point across. I don't speak for the sake of

:22:34. > :22:38.speaking. I don't love the sound of my old boys. In fact, I don't like

:22:38. > :22:44.it at all. Certainly, I feel that my knowledge of the game and the

:22:44. > :22:49.way that we want to play, the way that we want to defend our game

:22:49. > :22:54.plan is good enough to get our points of. I have got a few more

:22:54. > :22:58.words myself, it is still half-time in Malmo.

:22:58. > :23:01.He is a man with few words but lots of action. He may be one of the

:23:01. > :23:06.oldest comic book heroes, but it seems that Batman still has what it

:23:06. > :23:12.takes. The 72-year-old hero is the focus of a new �12 million state

:23:12. > :23:16.show which arrived in Glasgow today. -- stage show. Hollywood's

:23:16. > :23:21.fascination with comic-book heroes is an ongoing one. This summer we

:23:21. > :23:27.have seen blockbusters for Captain America and the next man. There is

:23:27. > :23:31.one comic-book hero who endures more than any other. That man has

:23:31. > :23:35.been captured many times on film and in books and television, but

:23:35. > :23:39.brought to life on stage for the first time ever at this new show.

:23:39. > :23:46.One of the biggest and most spectacular ever staged in the UK,

:23:46. > :23:50.the show also revives the caped crusaders most memorable enemies.

:23:50. > :23:54.At its heart of the comic-book stories which have won over a

:23:54. > :23:57.generation after generation. We can spend millions on lighting, sound

:23:57. > :24:01.and special effects, but if you don't have a story that the

:24:01. > :24:05.audience can invest in, then you are missing the point. We take the

:24:05. > :24:10.audience and a fantastic journey, a real adventure. Many actors have

:24:10. > :24:14.taken up the challenge of playing that man over the years, but it is

:24:15. > :24:20.sound here in behind the mark -- mask here, and he admits you need

:24:20. > :24:23.stamina. I was trying to recreate what I had seen on television and

:24:23. > :24:29.realised we have to go back to the original comics. We're very close

:24:29. > :24:33.to them I think. Warner Brothers has been heavily involved in this.

:24:33. > :24:38.All the designs are based on Jim the lead's pictures, who draws for

:24:38. > :24:45.those comics. We are very due to the original's. It is basically, as

:24:45. > :24:53.you can see behind me, a comic book on stage. That comic book would not

:24:53. > :25:03.be complete without the special Batman car. Guaranteed to win over

:25:03. > :25:04.

:25:04. > :25:08.every fan. Now back to Stirling Castle for a

:25:08. > :25:12.full weather forecast. What a glorious day it has been

:25:12. > :25:18.right up and down the country. We have seen highs of 23 Celsius

:25:18. > :25:22.across the borders. A lovely end to the day. This evening is going to

:25:22. > :25:27.be fine with light winds, quite madly but with some lovely,

:25:27. > :25:33.pleasant sunshine to end the day. - - quite muddy. Do the rest of this

:25:33. > :25:37.evening and tonight, some holes appearing in that cloud, so we will

:25:37. > :25:42.see some mist and fog across the North, but dry until we see the

:25:42. > :25:46.change later in the night with rain and showers pushing in. As we go

:25:46. > :25:50.into tomorrow morning, some early brightness for the north-east, but

:25:50. > :25:56.that rain in the south will start to push up across most of the

:25:56. > :26:01.country. Turning heavy in places. It will continue his progress

:26:01. > :26:07.northwards, making for a very wet day. Very different today. In the

:26:07. > :26:15.south, some clear parts around the middle of the afternoon, some

:26:15. > :26:18.sunshine with highs of 18 or 19. A wet day for me to North were -- Mid

:26:18. > :26:26.two Nov Scotland. That rain will also get into the very north of the

:26:26. > :26:33.country. Heavy rain in the east, and also some hill fog. Light winds.

:26:33. > :26:37.The pressure chart for Friday is showing that tomorrow's reign will

:26:37. > :26:41.be sticking around Shetland, but there is a ridge of high pressure

:26:41. > :26:45.living in. Friday is not looking too bad, apart from the rain and

:26:45. > :26:49.cloud across northern parts and holding in Shetland, the bulk of

:26:49. > :26:55.the country looks dry and bright with decent spells of sunshine.

:26:55. > :26:59.Maybe 20 Celsius for Edinburgh. Into the weekend, it is also not

:26:59. > :27:07.looking bad. Saturday will see some sunshine. One of two showers, but

:27:07. > :27:17.feeling fresher than it has done today. Showers across the West with

:27:17. > :27:20.

:27:21. > :27:23.The top stories tonight: the former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak

:27:23. > :27:28.has pleaded not guilty to charges that he ordered the killing of

:27:28. > :27:31.hundreds of protesters. He lay on a hospital stretcher behind the bars

:27:31. > :27:35.of a specially constructed metal cage in a courtroom.

:27:35. > :27:39.An inquiry is under way into by thousands of school pupils received

:27:39. > :27:43.their exam results a day early. Almost 30,000 got their graves by

:27:43. > :27:46.text message before they were due. The Scottish Qualifications

:27:46. > :27:48.Authority says the results are correct and that no people will

:27:48. > :27:52.benefit from getting their graves early.

:27:52. > :27:57.And, people should get paid �28,000 in return for one of their kidneys,

:27:57. > :28:01.according to a Dundee academic. Sue Rabbitt Roff said students might

:28:01. > :28:03.decide to donate a kidney to pay off their debts, and that it would