Referendum Special: 09.00-13.00

:00:23. > :00:27.Welcome to our rolling news coverage of the momentous decisions that have

:00:28. > :00:33.been taken in Scotland overnight. Scotland has voted No to

:00:34. > :00:38.independence. We will be bringing you the latest reaction and events

:00:39. > :00:44.as they happen. For those of you who have just switched on, we will have

:00:45. > :01:06.a round-up of what has been happening in the last few hours.

:01:07. > :01:12.Yes, 114,148. No, 139,788. This is the moment the referendum result was

:01:13. > :01:21.confirmed. 140,000 voters in Fife would take the No support across the

:01:22. > :01:25.finish line. Soon afterwards, the First Minister accepted the result

:01:26. > :01:29.and praised the people of Scotland for an 86% turnout, but had this

:01:30. > :01:35.message for his Westminster counterparts. On behalf of the

:01:36. > :01:37.Scottish Government, I accept the result and pledged to work

:01:38. > :01:46.constructively in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the United

:01:47. > :01:52.Kingdom. The Unionist parties made promises lead in the campaign to

:01:53. > :01:58.devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these to be

:01:59. > :02:03.ordered in rapid course. -- honoured. The Prime Minister went

:02:04. > :02:06.further, announcing powers to be devolved to all four nations on the

:02:07. > :02:13.same timescale as Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who so successfully

:02:14. > :02:17.led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, as agreed to oversee the process to

:02:18. > :02:22.take forward these devolution commitments, with powers over tax,

:02:23. > :02:26.spending and welfare agreed by November and draft legislation

:02:27. > :02:30.published by January. Just as the people of Scotland will have more

:02:31. > :02:36.power over their affairs, the people of England, Wales and Northern

:02:37. > :02:40.Ireland must have a bigger say over theirs. This had been a long night

:02:41. > :02:52.and it would be several hours before the picture would become clear. The

:02:53. > :03:09.first result came in at 1:30am. Yes, 16,350. No, 19,036. The people of

:03:10. > :03:14.Clackmannanshire voted No. 54% of them setting the tone for the night.

:03:15. > :03:18.At the Better Together headquarters the mood was buoyant, no knowledge

:03:19. > :03:23.of what was come, but confidence nonetheless. For those who supported

:03:24. > :03:37.us and that great team of volunteers...

:03:38. > :03:41.APPLAUSE All of the political parties who

:03:42. > :03:49.work for this outcome, I want to say thank you. Among the first to

:03:50. > :03:57.declare what the islands, with the Western Isles result coming in

:03:58. > :04:03.Gaelic. The language might have been different, but the result was the

:04:04. > :04:10.same. The campaign's chairman appeared to set all. On the streets

:04:11. > :04:13.of Glasgow, the initial losing streak did not damage the party

:04:14. > :04:18.atmosphere. Hundreds were in George Square to mark an important day in

:04:19. > :04:28.Scotland's history. Spirits were high. Dundee was the first to go to

:04:29. > :04:32.Yes. It was decisive and made the race neck and neck. Then the biggest

:04:33. > :04:38.moment of the night when Yes took the lead. For five minutes, the glum

:04:39. > :04:57.faces were gone and it was high fives. The Yes stood at -- Yes

:04:58. > :05:06.campus stood at 52%. No, 70,039. Feeling almost broken-hearted. I

:05:07. > :05:12.feel that the British establishment has mobilised the big guns.

:05:13. > :05:17.Mobilised the bankers, the billionaires, supermarkets, there

:05:18. > :05:25.might have been corralled into Number 10 together warnings to

:05:26. > :05:29.frighten people -- to give warnings. The 32 counts went off almost

:05:30. > :05:34.flawlessly. Apart from in Dundee, where there was a fire alarm. A few

:05:35. > :05:41.brave police officers guarded the ballot papers. The majority of valid

:05:42. > :05:44.thoughts cast yesterday by the people of Scotland in response to

:05:45. > :05:55.the referendum question should Scotland be an independent country

:05:56. > :05:59.were in favour of No. By the time Mary Pitcaithly made her

:06:00. > :06:08.declaration, it was long over. For some, it was proving too match.

:06:09. > :06:12.Shortly after 5pm, the BBC called the referendum with the people of

:06:13. > :06:18.Scotland rejecting independence. It is the end of chapter one but the.

:06:19. > :06:23.Read is still to be written. -- full story.

:06:24. > :06:33.I am joined by our political correspondent. The turnout was

:06:34. > :06:41.almost 85%. Extraordinary. Other than the phenomenal result, it is a

:06:42. > :06:45.story of huge turnout. Huge voting engagement, which we knew about and

:06:46. > :07:02.were expecting a turnout of more than 80%. Some of the smaller

:07:03. > :07:09.islands like Orkney and Shetland were quite high as well. To have

:07:10. > :07:14.more than 80% in an election like this shows how important the

:07:15. > :07:18.Scottish voters saw this, as an issue not of party politics but

:07:19. > :07:29.about the future of the nation. It has proved a useful and exceedingly

:07:30. > :07:34.popular project. To bring people up to date, the final result was pretty

:07:35. > :07:41.decisive for No, but was a much bigger tab each vote then anyone

:07:42. > :07:52.would have expected -- bigger Yes vote. The last opinion poll which

:07:53. > :07:57.was done last night, 55 for No and 45 for Yes, which is what the

:07:58. > :08:00.eventual outcome was. It does not explain the narrowing of the opinion

:08:01. > :08:05.polls we saw over the last couple of weeks which persuaded the No

:08:06. > :08:09.campaign to come out and offer those further powers. Had those opinion

:08:10. > :08:17.poll is not taken, perhaps we would not have got those promises. David

:08:18. > :08:23.Cameron has said it will mean change for England, Wales and Northern

:08:24. > :08:26.Ireland as well. To get onto issues we will be discussing through the

:08:27. > :08:29.morning, we have gone from last night waiting to see if Scotland was

:08:30. > :08:35.going to leave the United Kingdom to this morning a debate about English

:08:36. > :08:41.MPs being allowed to cheat England as if it was a separate country. --

:08:42. > :08:46.treat. The reason David Cameron had to come out and say what he did,

:08:47. > :08:51.that the other parts of the UK would benefit from Scotland's vote, was

:08:52. > :08:56.that there were so many Conservative backbenchers promising to derail the

:08:57. > :09:00.proposals to give further powers to Scotland as a result of this vote,

:09:01. > :09:06.not least people calling for an English Parliament. David Cameron

:09:07. > :09:10.was promising to resolve the West Lothian question as a result of that

:09:11. > :09:15.unhappiness with him going ahead with promising further powers for

:09:16. > :09:24.Scotland when I had not been a vote on this issue. It is not just

:09:25. > :09:30.England. The message from the Prime Minister and the Labour Party seems

:09:31. > :09:36.to be, we hear you, Scotland, we promise we will do what we said. It

:09:37. > :09:40.was interesting the fact that David Cameron said as much as he did this

:09:41. > :09:43.morning. There is a little bit of politics involved and the sense in

:09:44. > :09:49.which David Cameron had to try to seize the agenda and the initiative.

:09:50. > :09:53.If he did not, he would have left a background for the SNP to demand

:09:54. > :09:59.more powers. David Cameron had to come out with something quite big

:10:00. > :10:04.and radical. There is a long way between saying it and delivering it.

:10:05. > :10:09.There is an awful lot of hurdles to get through, a very tight timetable.

:10:10. > :10:14.This has to be done in some form by the election, otherwise the SNP will

:10:15. > :10:22.go into the election and say, those people let you down. He has to bring

:10:23. > :10:25.the SMP on board and the other three parties and he has made some

:10:26. > :10:34.promises to civic society as well that might SNP. There is no

:10:35. > :10:36.agreement even among the Unionist parties on what these accelerated

:10:37. > :10:41.powers should be. No agreement on the form either. If you look at what

:10:42. > :10:47.the Liberal Democrats have suggested, talking about federalism,

:10:48. > :10:52.it has to be something that is balanced. Federalism is one of the

:10:53. > :10:58.answers that leaves a balanced UK with each constituent part of the UK

:10:59. > :11:02.having some responsibility and the centre having responsibility as

:11:03. > :11:09.well, but how you work out what federalism is within the next six

:11:10. > :11:14.months, I have no idea. It is not just about bringing on board the

:11:15. > :11:21.SNP. This involves the whole of the United Kingdom. It is no longer just

:11:22. > :11:26.about Scotland. It is not unreasonable, many Conservative

:11:27. > :11:30.members of Parliament saying, hold on, we cannot just have some stitch

:11:31. > :11:34.up between Ed Miliband and David Cameron which is forced through

:11:35. > :11:39.parliament giving Scotland this, that and the other, we want a say.

:11:40. > :11:45.Over the last couple of days there were Conservatives saying it was

:11:46. > :11:50.unconstitutional to give further powers. And that this was a deal

:11:51. > :11:54.stitched up by the three pro-union parties to try to win the referendum

:11:55. > :11:58.in Scotland. They have a battle on their hands but David Cameron's

:11:59. > :12:02.words this morning will have gone some way to try to placate some of

:12:03. > :12:07.his backbenchers, although not people like Nigel Farage who has

:12:08. > :12:12.said he thinks that David Cameron's statement is not going far enough

:12:13. > :12:16.and he is not dealing with the English question. David Cameron was

:12:17. > :12:20.mentioning the West Lothian question which is the bugbear of lots of

:12:21. > :12:25.English Conservative MPs and others. It will be interesting to see what

:12:26. > :12:40.they propose on that because so far no one has, with a firm we to solve

:12:41. > :12:46.that. Let me bring in two guests. The former First Minister, you must

:12:47. > :12:52.be delighted. Given what your politics are, are you delighted? I

:12:53. > :12:58.would not go as far as that, jersey I was delighted. There has been a

:12:59. > :13:02.political battle and the No campaign has won. Scotland has given the

:13:03. > :13:09.world a masterclass in terms of how campaigns should be operated and

:13:10. > :13:15.there was a huge Yes vote. There is a benefit for everyone. We have

:13:16. > :13:25.discussed this previously. You said you were going to vote No. Did you?

:13:26. > :13:38.I bought my soul earlier. Yes, I did. -- bore. The biggest success

:13:39. > :13:42.story was Scotland itself in one of the interesting points that has been

:13:43. > :13:46.referred to already, the Prime Minister has made a statement, he is

:13:47. > :13:50.right to go into the breach and make some comment, but one of the most

:13:51. > :13:57.divisive issues at Westminster is English votes for English laws

:13:58. > :14:05.because it is not an cancer to the West Lothian question -- answer.

:14:06. > :14:08.What he might be doing, and I heard Douglas Alexander avoid the

:14:09. > :14:13.question, I do not think Labour will support that because you would be

:14:14. > :14:20.the barring 41 Labour MPs from every issue.

:14:21. > :14:25.Let's say there is a Labour government after the next election

:14:26. > :14:29.and a Tory majority in England, every time that government wanted to

:14:30. > :14:34.pass something to do with the health service in England, it could be

:14:35. > :14:39.blocked? Exactly. But the other point is that it is not just

:14:40. > :14:45.Scotland's issue. It is a UK issue. What it needs is certainly to honour

:14:46. > :14:50.the commitment made to Scotland but not to rush at it. The devolution

:14:51. > :14:58.Bill... Except they are rushing out at! Exactly. Devolution went through

:14:59. > :15:06.the proper convention and a whole range of people, it went through. It

:15:07. > :15:11.has to be good legislation and it also has to be about saying, that

:15:12. > :15:16.can be done properly, but then he has to open up for a sensible debate

:15:17. > :15:20.on what happens in Wales, England and Northern Ireland. Don't run so

:15:21. > :15:22.fast at it even if the First Minister is pressing, because at the

:15:23. > :15:28.end of the day, it is what Scotland needs to go forward, not to get the

:15:29. > :15:36.three traditional Unionist parties out of a bit of panic-buying. Gordon

:15:37. > :15:40.Wilson, is that it? Is this it for maybe not the lifetime of people who

:15:41. > :15:45.were born yesterday, but certainly the lifetime of old buffers like you

:15:46. > :15:51.and me? I'm glad you associate me with your youth! Think last night I

:15:52. > :15:57.was disappointed. But as a veteran, bruised and battered from previous

:15:58. > :16:02.encounters, I had high hopes and low expectations, because I thought this

:16:03. > :16:06.was a very early referendum and Scotland is still in transition from

:16:07. > :16:15.being British to being Scottish. And I've taken some heart, and I think

:16:16. > :16:20.quite obviously the No campaign will be jubilant. They have won and kept

:16:21. > :16:28.Scotland within the United Kingdom. Look at it the other way. Scotland

:16:29. > :16:32.has always palled around about 30 to 35% for independence and this

:16:33. > :16:43.referendum on that basis would have been a gamble. -- pulled around. Now

:16:44. > :16:50.we are up to 45% and two industrial areas have voted yes. 45% is a

:16:51. > :16:57.good, solid platform for take-off. Now, I am not suggesting at all that

:16:58. > :17:01.this will occur quickly. But we are into Harold Macmillan territory.

:17:02. > :17:06.Remember when he was wielding the axe in desperation in his Cabinet.

:17:07. > :17:12.He also said politicians can never control the future. It may well be

:17:13. > :17:16.that it is not the Scots who will be given independence, it is the

:17:17. > :17:21.English who will propel the Scots into independence. It all depends on

:17:22. > :17:24.the attitude in the South. The intelligent ones, the statesman,

:17:25. > :17:30.will probably want to buy Scotland with some powers. There are plenty

:17:31. > :17:40.of non-statesmen there and people who look at it from a little

:17:41. > :17:46.Englander point of view. But it is a point that the financier raised in

:17:47. > :17:51.an article in Financial Times. That's say David Cameron get this

:17:52. > :17:55.referendum on Europe and England decides to leave the European Union

:17:56. > :17:59.and Scotland votes substantially to stay. If ever there was a time to

:18:00. > :18:02.have a referendum on independence for Scotland, it would be then,

:18:03. > :18:05.because Scotland had decided to go in a completely different --

:18:06. > :18:11.different direction from the rest of the UK. Clearly nobody is going to

:18:12. > :18:15.commit themselves to another referendum in our lifetime

:18:16. > :18:20.generation. Although I noticed a wicked smile creeping on Gordon

:18:21. > :18:27.Wilson's face when I mentioned that! Well, he has been involved. But

:18:28. > :18:30.let's take the point of the 2015 elections to Westminster and in the

:18:31. > :18:36.2016 elections. The interesting point about moving... I mean, the

:18:37. > :18:41.powers on offer are not about home rule or federalism or devo max. But,

:18:42. > :18:44.for example, to be provocative, if we had a federal system, maybe

:18:45. > :18:49.Scotland would like to say to David Cameron in the years ahead, I tell

:18:50. > :18:52.you what, if you are going to have a debate and a referendum on in and

:18:53. > :18:57.out of Europe, I tell you what the deal is. The whole of the UK has the

:18:58. > :19:01.majority for coming out but, by the way, each of the four countries will

:19:02. > :19:07.have a veto, so we cannot come out of the EU on the back of English

:19:08. > :19:11.votes alone. What do you mean? So England votes to leave the EU and

:19:12. > :19:17.Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland or any one of them can say no? It is

:19:18. > :19:22.a twin devolution, which is not shared, and actually getting to a

:19:23. > :19:28.point where Scotland has a real say. -- it is between devolution. But

:19:29. > :19:33.that is what you are saying? England could vote no to the European Union

:19:34. > :19:37.and Scotland could vote to stay in and veto it? We are at the early

:19:38. > :19:42.days of debating a future form of federalism. But what would be the

:19:43. > :19:47.reaction in Scotland, which is proven in opinion polls to be more

:19:48. > :19:51.pro-Europe, if, in 2017, we decide to exit from the European Union on

:19:52. > :19:55.the back of English votes? If that was not a basis for further

:19:56. > :20:00.discussion and strife up here, I don't know what would be. We have to

:20:01. > :20:02.be more creative. That is why I'm against the Prime Minister

:20:03. > :20:07.suggesting we have to go with him to implement some powers for Scotland,

:20:08. > :20:11.we might do a bit of England and their Wales and then Northern

:20:12. > :20:14.Ireland. This does not make sense in lawmaking but it does open up the

:20:15. > :20:19.idea that Scotland's strength has been improved as part of this

:20:20. > :20:23.referendum campaign and we should not be easily led into a situation

:20:24. > :20:29.of just minor powers when, in fact, there is a bigger price to be had.

:20:30. > :20:33.Whatever you make of the details of that, this idea of creative thinking

:20:34. > :20:36.- that would have to come from the Scottish Government as well rather

:20:37. > :20:40.than banging on all the time about how we need independence. It would

:20:41. > :20:44.be coming up with some ideas for how to make the UK work better and how

:20:45. > :20:51.to make Scotland work better within it? The more I look at the sclerotic

:20:52. > :20:56.United Kingdom, it is beginning to remember Austria-macro hungry before

:20:57. > :21:06.the dissolution. It is confusing... -- Austria and Hungary. I am sure

:21:07. > :21:13.the Czechs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire were quite keen to rule as

:21:14. > :21:17.well. I don't think the British state in its current form is capable

:21:18. > :21:20.of reformation. That is what I am saying. It is a post-imperial

:21:21. > :21:27.situation and England controls it, and if you go to a federation, and

:21:28. > :21:31.heel I disagree, there is no way that the nation of England, powerful

:21:32. > :21:37.and strong as it is, would ever agree to a veto from the minor

:21:38. > :21:42.Celtic countries. -- and here I disagree. We are about to guarantee

:21:43. > :21:47.a macro what Alistair Darling is saying. Where we have a strong

:21:48. > :21:51.constitutional arrangement and power, but also people want to see

:21:52. > :21:57.the world in which they live change. They want more jobs, more secure

:21:58. > :22:01.funding, better education for their children, and, above all,

:22:02. > :22:05.opportunities for their children and grandchildren. We believe we can do

:22:06. > :22:09.that in Scotland but we do it best by working with the rest of the UK.

:22:10. > :22:12.And it isn't just constitutions that we should be concerned with.

:22:13. > :22:16.Although we have made a clear commitment to the people of Scotland

:22:17. > :22:20.to strengthen the powers of the Scottish Parliament, and we must

:22:21. > :22:24.live on that. One of the strengths I think over the last couple of years,

:22:25. > :22:29.as Joanne said, is that we have shown we can work with other

:22:30. > :22:34.parties, and, critically, work with many people of no party at all. One

:22:35. > :22:39.of the most encouraging things about last night was not only the fact

:22:40. > :22:44.that the turnout was in the high 80s and in some parts of Scotland,

:22:45. > :22:48.90% of the electorate voted, but people were engaged in this argument

:22:49. > :22:52.in a way I have not seen throughout my political life. And it does

:22:53. > :22:55.demonstrate to me two things. As I say, we can work with other

:22:56. > :22:59.political parties where we agree with them, and where we disagree as

:23:00. > :23:03.well, and of course we have to argue these points, but where we agree we

:23:04. > :23:09.should work with each other. But also if you have a popular cause and

:23:10. > :23:12.a good case to make, then you can infuse people, which is something I

:23:13. > :23:16.think all the political parties need to learn, our own included. If we

:23:17. > :23:19.can get people infused about our cause and about how we can improve

:23:20. > :23:24.and make things better, then we can make sure what we saw last night is

:23:25. > :23:30.not a one-off. -- people infused. But perhaps it is the start of

:23:31. > :23:34.integration in politics throughout the UK and in Scotland. It brings me

:23:35. > :23:38.to my final point. Yes, we have worked together, and the three

:23:39. > :23:45.political parties have entered an agreement to deliver legislation to

:23:46. > :23:48.strengthen the Scottish Parliament, and we must deliver that on the

:23:49. > :23:51.timescale that was agreed, but of course we do have differences with

:23:52. > :23:55.the other parties on many, many issues, and in just nine months

:23:56. > :23:59.time, this country will go to a general election to choose the

:24:00. > :24:04.government for the next five years. And every single one of us needs to

:24:05. > :24:07.be out there hungry for that change, showing weekend and straight to

:24:08. > :24:20.people that the change they need for jobs, to make sure we can improve

:24:21. > :24:27.standards of living -- showing we can deliver to people. You can keep

:24:28. > :24:31.it going for another nine months at least following these 24 as we move

:24:32. > :24:40.towards another general election. I believe that not only can we win the

:24:41. > :24:43.next election and we -- but that we will. I look forward to Ed Miliband

:24:44. > :24:54.speaking to us later. Thank you. Friends, I want to start off by

:24:55. > :24:58.paying the warmest tribute to Alistair Darling, because after the

:24:59. > :25:04.2010 2000 election, you could have taken the easy way out. He could

:25:05. > :25:08.have decided to take a step back. -- the 2010 election. He played one of

:25:09. > :25:12.the most important roles in keeping this country together. Alistair,

:25:13. > :25:15.thank you. Thank you for what you did.

:25:16. > :25:20.APPLAUSE And I also want to thank every

:25:21. > :25:23.member of team Labour for what they did. I want to thank Johann Lamont

:25:24. > :25:30.for the brilliant job she did, I want to thank Jim Murphy, Gordon

:25:31. > :25:34.Brown, Douglas Alexander, every person who played that role in this

:25:35. > :25:41.campaign. Let us applaud them today. APPLAUSE

:25:42. > :25:44.But there is somebody... There is another set of people I want to

:25:45. > :25:49.think even more than that, and that is you. Because this would not have

:25:50. > :25:52.happened without you. Thank you for the street stalls, thank you for the

:25:53. > :25:56.phone banking, thank you for the leaflets, thank you for pounding the

:25:57. > :26:01.streets in rain and shine. And, friends, you will be able to tell

:26:02. > :26:07.your children and your grandchildren that you helped keep our country

:26:08. > :26:13.together, a historic achievement, and let us acknowledge it today.

:26:14. > :26:19.APPLAUSE Now, what was this a vote for? What

:26:20. > :26:23.was this a vote for? This was a vote for solidarity and social justice.

:26:24. > :26:27.This was a vote for our National Health Service, this was a vote for

:26:28. > :26:32.our welfare state, this was a vote for no because we know we are better

:26:33. > :26:36.together. And I want to say something also today as Alistair

:26:37. > :26:42.acknowledged to all of the people who voted yes. This Labour Party is

:26:43. > :26:48.determined to show over the coming years that we can be the vehicle for

:26:49. > :26:52.your hopes, your dreams, your aspirations for a better life for

:26:53. > :26:54.you, a better life for Scotland and a better life for the whole of the

:26:55. > :27:02.United Kingdom. APPLAUSE

:27:03. > :27:07.Now, friends, whether people voted no or yes in this referendum, let us

:27:08. > :27:15.be absolutely clear. This was a vote for change. Change doesn't ends

:27:16. > :27:18.today, change begins today. Because we know our country needs to

:27:19. > :27:21.change. We know our country needs to change in the waiters governed and

:27:22. > :27:26.we know our country needs to change in who it is governed for. -- in the

:27:27. > :27:30.way it is governed. As Alistair said, we will be leather on strong

:27:31. > :27:35.powers for a stronger Scottish Parliament, a stronger Scotland, --

:27:36. > :27:37.we will deliver, and I know all party leaders will meet their

:27:38. > :27:43.commitments to deliver on that promise.

:27:44. > :27:49.APPLAUSE And we will also meet the desire for

:27:50. > :27:52.change across England, across Wales, across the whole of the United

:27:53. > :27:56.Kingdom. Devolution is not just a good idea for Scotland and Wales, it

:27:57. > :28:03.is a good idea for England and, indeed, for Northern Ireland, as it

:28:04. > :28:06.already is, too. And we must also meet the thirst for change in

:28:07. > :28:12.reforming the whole of our country in who it works for. Because I heard

:28:13. > :28:16.from people as I went around this campaign people talking about

:28:17. > :28:21.stronger powers for Scotland, yes, but I also heard people saying, how

:28:22. > :28:26.can my life get better? How can my son or daughter get a job? How can

:28:27. > :28:30.we deal with insecurity at work? How can we build a better future for our

:28:31. > :28:34.children and grandchildren? We know those were the questions people were

:28:35. > :28:38.asking. They were not just asking questions about the Constitution and

:28:39. > :28:41.the way our politics works. They were asking about whether our

:28:42. > :28:46.country works for them, and they were telling us, and they are not

:28:47. > :28:49.just telling us this in Scotland, they are telling us this throughout

:28:50. > :28:54.our country, that our country only works for a tiny, elite few at the

:28:55. > :28:56.top, and this Labour Party knows that must change, and we will change

:28:57. > :29:05.it. APPLAUSE

:29:06. > :29:11.Friends, the last few weeks have been about keeping our country

:29:12. > :29:17.together, the last few months, the two years of this campaign. The next

:29:18. > :29:21.eight months are about how we change our country together. And you know,

:29:22. > :29:27.we need a party that can speak for the whole of the United Kingdom, for

:29:28. > :29:31.every party, for every part of the United Kingdom, for every set of

:29:32. > :29:36.people in the United Kingdom. There is a party that can do that,

:29:37. > :29:43.friends. That is the Labour Party. That is our party. And this is our

:29:44. > :29:48.responsibility in the months ahead - let us be able to tell our children,

:29:49. > :29:53.to tell our grandchildren that we did not just keep our country

:29:54. > :29:58.together, we changed our country together. That is our mission, that

:29:59. > :30:01.can be our achievement. Thank you so much for what you did, now let's go

:30:02. > :30:05.on and show the people of the whole of the United Kingdom how we intend

:30:06. > :30:07.to change our country. Thank you very much.

:30:08. > :30:17.APPLAUSE Well, let's go to the news now.

:30:18. > :30:24.Thank you very much, it has been a momentous night, Scotland has

:30:25. > :30:30.decided, and that decision is no. It is clear that the majority of the

:30:31. > :30:38.people voting have voted no to the referendum question.

:30:39. > :30:42.Well, the turnout was more than 84% of those registered to votes, the

:30:43. > :30:49.highest in any UK election since 1951. Glasgow, Scotland's largest

:30:50. > :30:53.council, voted in favour of independence, with Dundee, West

:30:54. > :31:00.Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire also voting yes. But there were big

:31:01. > :31:04.wins for the No vote in Aberdeen. The result in Fife took them across

:31:05. > :31:11.the finishing line, the margin of victory for the Better Together

:31:12. > :31:15.campaign was 55-45%, bigger than that anticipated by the final

:31:16. > :31:19.opinion polls. First Minister Alex Salmond conceded defeat but said

:31:20. > :31:22.Scotland would expect the three main British parties to make good on

:31:23. > :31:28.their promises of greater powers being devolved to the Scottish

:31:29. > :31:33.Parliament. Well, we don't seem to have that for

:31:34. > :31:36.you just at the moment. The Prime Minister said, though, that the

:31:37. > :31:40.result had been clear and that the debate had been settled for a

:31:41. > :31:45.generation. David Cameron said, the United Kingdom has come together to

:31:46. > :31:52.move forward. Well, I will be back later on, back now to Gordon.

:31:53. > :31:56.Thanks, Rona. We are going to go to Downing Street in a moment, but very

:31:57. > :32:02.quickly, I wanted to ask you, you were watching Ed Miliband there and

:32:03. > :32:08.shaking your head as if you were in complete despair. I do not think it

:32:09. > :32:11.was complete despair, but look, this is an interesting election for the

:32:12. > :32:16.new leader of the Labour Party, and I respect that. England and Scotland

:32:17. > :32:20.are politically diverging, so the agenda in England has to be

:32:21. > :32:24.different from what attracts voters in Scotland, but that said, it is

:32:25. > :32:29.important to note one thing he said, that they do not all agree on, you

:32:30. > :32:35.know, the powers, on where the future is holding. I would rather if

:32:36. > :32:41.Ed said, look, the No campaigners won and they take credit for

:32:42. > :32:44.victory, but what he has to do is pick Scotland into this wider

:32:45. > :32:50.constitutional review that is being talked about. For example, my fear

:32:51. > :32:53.is that in terms of the English votes for English laws, Labour

:32:54. > :32:57.cannot possibly sign up to that. What we need over the next few

:32:58. > :33:02.weeks, and I'm not expecting him to do it, but we need to explain to

:33:03. > :33:06.people, the powers that have been put forward, the timeline, a massive

:33:07. > :33:10.amount of work has got to be done on that to make sure that we don't just

:33:11. > :33:15.carry on with these powers knowing that we cannot make the unrealistic

:33:16. > :33:19.deadlines that have been imposed. I think Ed was in a difficult

:33:20. > :33:22.position, he has come to Scotland to show solidarity with the party and

:33:23. > :33:26.the country, that is to the good. But at times he's not well advised

:33:27. > :33:32.in relation to what is happening, and the mood in, which is so

:33:33. > :33:35.crucial, showing that degree of Scottish and as bad as vital as we

:33:36. > :33:45.move forward. All right, we will come back to you in a moment. --

:33:46. > :33:48.Scottishness that is vital. David, we have heard the Prime

:33:49. > :33:51.Minister this morning, I do not know if you could hear what Henry was

:33:52. > :33:56.saying about Ed Miliband, what is the feeling down there? I think the

:33:57. > :34:01.overwhelming view down here, actually, Gordon, is one of relief.

:34:02. > :34:04.The Prime Minister came out a couple of hours ago and made his

:34:05. > :34:09.statement, a lengthy statement in duration and also in content as

:34:10. > :34:13.well. He is well aware that to some extent one problem has been solved,

:34:14. > :34:17.Scotland remains within the Union, but he is also aware as well that

:34:18. > :34:23.everything does change from today. It has been a mentor is night, the

:34:24. > :34:29.status quo will not continue, there is going to be further

:34:30. > :34:32.constitutional reform. -- momentous. He said there would have

:34:33. > :34:36.to be change in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and he addressed

:34:37. > :34:40.the question of English votes, whereby a lot of Conservative MPs

:34:41. > :34:44.are worried that if Scotland gets more powers but Scottish MPs still

:34:45. > :34:47.have the same voting rights, the so-called West Lothian question, and

:34:48. > :34:51.there is a growing head of steam on Tory backbenches, but as far as they

:34:52. > :34:56.are concerned, there should be English votes for English matters,

:34:57. > :35:02.where only English MPs are allowed to vote 1 English matters. What we

:35:03. > :35:05.have seen, I think, over the past 24 hours is one issue to some extent

:35:06. > :35:08.resolved, are you Scotland is not going to leave the United Kingdom,

:35:09. > :35:12.Scotland is not going to be independent. That solves one

:35:13. > :35:28.problem, but David Cameron knows that he has to see the political

:35:29. > :35:32.initiative. -- sieze. I wonder, David, whether you feel there is an

:35:33. > :35:38.awareness there of some of the matter is that I think Henry McLeish

:35:39. > :35:41.was trying to raise, that there is a possibility that the political

:35:42. > :35:46.parties are now just thinking, thank heavens that is out of the road, we

:35:47. > :35:49.have got a general election coming up, and I think what Henry is time

:35:50. > :35:55.to say is that there may be a lack of sensitivity to realising that

:35:56. > :35:58.something quite important as happened in Scotland, and while the

:35:59. > :36:02.matters towards more devolution are important, we are not just straight

:36:03. > :36:05.into a general election campaign. That is the danger. First of all,

:36:06. > :36:09.there is huge relief in Downing Street as to what happened last

:36:10. > :36:13.night. I think there would be some whispering in the Prime Minister's

:36:14. > :36:17.here, look, it is over, we can move towards the general election, look

:36:18. > :36:22.at that in the future. I think other people are saying very loudly to

:36:23. > :36:25.David Cameron, you would ignore what has happened at your Parolo, hence

:36:26. > :36:31.why I think David Cameron has been keen to say that they will be

:36:32. > :36:36.bringing up draft legislation before the election. -- at your peril. They

:36:37. > :36:41.will not get it through the House of Commons and the House of Lords

:36:42. > :36:45.before the next general election, but in May 2015 whoever is in this

:36:46. > :36:49.place behind they will have to act on that. That is not to say that he

:36:50. > :36:54.would ever is in power it is going to be easy for them. As I said,

:36:55. > :37:00.there are many backbenchers who are unhappy with what is being proposed.

:37:01. > :37:03.-- whoever is in power. If the Conservative backbenchers in the

:37:04. > :37:07.House of Commons are a nappy, think about the House of Lords, who are

:37:08. > :37:13.there to discuss constitutional reform. They will go through it with

:37:14. > :37:15.a fine tooth comb. There is no guarantee that whatever government

:37:16. > :37:18.at Westminster would want to get through in constitutional terms,

:37:19. > :37:22.that the House of Lords would make it easy for them. It is a very

:37:23. > :37:27.difficult subject, and it could take perhaps longer than some people are

:37:28. > :37:31.thinking. We are seeing a change, David, in the iconography. I was

:37:32. > :37:34.almost taken aback by singer Alistair Darling standing in front

:37:35. > :37:41.of a sign that said Scottish Labour, rather than Better Together. I

:37:42. > :37:45.noticed that he did not go out of his way to thank the people who were

:37:46. > :37:49.involved in Better Together from the Liberal Democrats for the

:37:50. > :37:54.Conservatives. It was entirely aimed at the Labour Party, so suddenly we

:37:55. > :37:58.are in a different mode now. Yes, we are. Right up until he is ours came

:37:59. > :38:02.out this morning, it was Better Together on one side and Yes

:38:03. > :38:07.Scotland on the other. -- until the results came out. We are now in the

:38:08. > :38:12.run-up to a general election, this contest is over and done with. Party

:38:13. > :38:16.politics is bound to reiterate in Scotland, as it will in the rest of

:38:17. > :38:21.the United Kingdom, which is why I think, over the hours and weeks, you

:38:22. > :38:25.will see English Conservative backbenchers perhaps saying things

:38:26. > :38:27.that the party leadership would not think is particularly helpful on

:38:28. > :38:31.constitutional reform. But I think it would be very naive to say that

:38:32. > :38:35.whatever has happened, all the momentous changes that have happened

:38:36. > :38:40.over the last 24 hours, that party politics will not play a huge role

:38:41. > :38:45.in that. Added to that, we are in the run-up to a general election,

:38:46. > :38:50.which means, A, it is going to be very congregated, B, party politics

:38:51. > :38:53.will come to the fore in this, and it is whoever wins the general

:38:54. > :38:58.election in 2015 will have to try and find a way through on this, the

:38:59. > :39:05.most thorniest of issues. David, thank you very much for now. Andrews

:39:06. > :39:11.outside the Scottish Parliament at Holyrood. -- Andrew is. Are you

:39:12. > :39:15.outside or inside? I am inside but outside the parliament, inside the

:39:16. > :39:22.studio here. Olli Rehn is a little more quiet now, there was an

:39:23. > :39:27.all-night vigil. -- Holyrood. There is meant to be a Yes rally, whatever

:39:28. > :39:33.happens, and I'm joined in the studio now by the principal officer

:39:34. > :39:38.at the US Consulate here in Edinburgh, thank you for joining me.

:39:39. > :39:43.You were an observer at Ingliston, what have you made of this whole

:39:44. > :39:46.process and the result? Well, I want to congratulate the people of

:39:47. > :39:51.Scotland on having conducted one of the most thorough and thoughtful

:39:52. > :39:54.public debates of our time. I think that the high level of public

:39:55. > :40:00.interest, the depth of the debate, as well as the extraordinary turnout

:40:01. > :40:02.that we saw yesterday, real proof that a peaceful and democratic

:40:03. > :40:08.process can tackle the toughest issues. In the United States, of

:40:09. > :40:11.course we respect the outcome and we look forward to continuing our close

:40:12. > :40:16.relationship and ties with the government and peoples of the United

:40:17. > :40:20.Kingdom. There will be some very relieved people waking up in

:40:21. > :40:23.Washington, DC this morning, of course, President Obama tweeted

:40:24. > :40:27.during the week that he hoped the UK would remain strong, robust and

:40:28. > :40:31.united. Was it right for the president to step in like that? He

:40:32. > :40:37.had an intervention earlier in the campaign. This is a matter for Scots

:40:38. > :40:41.to decide, and I think what we saw yesterday, across the board in

:40:42. > :40:45.Scotland, was a lot of people taking their responsibility very seriously,

:40:46. > :40:49.weighing up the issues and voting, and that is to be congratulated and

:40:50. > :40:52.applauded. I say people in Washington will be relieved, because

:40:53. > :40:58.if Scotland had voted to become independent, Trident would have left

:40:59. > :41:01.Scottish waters, the Trident nuclear submarines, so the defence

:41:02. > :41:06.department will be breathing a sigh of relief. There would be a lot of

:41:07. > :41:10.hypothetical issues to tackle, but the people of Scotland have made

:41:11. > :41:15.their decision, and we respect that. What did you make of the campaign?

:41:16. > :41:18.Because of course there Yes campaign have often followed what has

:41:19. > :41:24.happened in US politics, the tricks of the trade from the first Obama

:41:25. > :41:27.campaign in 2008 came over, the second campaign too. What did you

:41:28. > :41:32.make of the process and perhaps the use of these new US election

:41:33. > :41:37.tactics? As a diplomat, I am not an expert on election tactics, but what

:41:38. > :41:40.I will say is that we saw an extraordinary level of engagement on

:41:41. > :41:47.all sides, from the campaigns, from civil society, from grassroots and

:41:48. > :41:50.people just really wanting to get involved in the depth of the

:41:51. > :41:53.debate, it was something that we observed on all sides as being

:41:54. > :41:58.something that all Scots can be proud of. And when you go back to

:41:59. > :42:02.the US and you tell them about this referendum, I mean, it sounds like

:42:03. > :42:06.you are pretty impressed by what has happened, particularly the peaceful

:42:07. > :42:09.way, and I suppose the US will take that message to the rest of the

:42:10. > :42:14.world that people can conduct a process like this in a very

:42:15. > :42:19.peaceful, democratic way. I think, as you mentioned, I observed the

:42:20. > :42:23.vote yesterday in Edinburgh, West Lothian and Fife, and I can

:42:24. > :42:28.certainly attest to how peaceful and civilised things work. And I think

:42:29. > :42:31.that certainly with an issue this importance to the people of

:42:32. > :42:35.Scotland, the peaceful way that everyone conducted themselves

:42:36. > :42:38.yesterday is really to be very much applauded. OK, thank you very much

:42:39. > :42:44.for coming in to speak to us, that is it from Holyrood just now, back

:42:45. > :42:47.to you in the studio in Glasgow. Nicholas Witchell, the royal

:42:48. > :42:55.correspondent, is outside Balmoral. I imagine they did not have the no

:42:56. > :43:02.thank you placards nailed up on the trees at Balmoral, but there must

:43:03. > :43:05.surely be a sense of relief. Yeah, I think that is antennae of Leander

:43:06. > :43:13.absolutely true, and I think in common with a great many people the

:43:14. > :43:17.Queen will be glad it is all over. -- that is undeniably and absolutely

:43:18. > :43:20.true. Privately, she will be feeling relieved that Scotland is not going

:43:21. > :43:25.to separate from the United Kingdom, that the United Kingdom is not going

:43:26. > :43:29.to break. I think she would have found that privately very difficult

:43:30. > :43:31.to deal with, but she will keep their feelings to herself. She would

:43:32. > :43:36.have accepted the decision which ever way it went, that was her

:43:37. > :43:40.constitutional duty, but she and her officials will today once the dust

:43:41. > :43:44.to settle, they will want the politicians do have an opportunity

:43:45. > :43:48.to say what they wish to say in response to the result, and then

:43:49. > :43:52.what we expect - we don't know for certain - but at some point later

:43:53. > :43:57.today there will be a short written statement from the Queen, and I

:43:58. > :44:01.would imagine it would focus on the fact that this has been Scotland's

:44:02. > :44:06.decision, I would imagine it would focus on the fact, at the Palace has

:44:07. > :44:08.said before, a decision for the people of Scotland, but the decision

:44:09. > :44:14.having been taken now, expressing the hope that the people of Scotland

:44:15. > :44:19.will come together, we'll move on, and the divisiveness which I think

:44:20. > :44:22.undoubtedly has been apparent during the campaign, and which I think has

:44:23. > :44:26.been a cause of some considerable concern to the Queen, she will

:44:27. > :44:31.perhaps expressed the hope that the divisiveness will be put to one

:44:32. > :44:32.side, and in Scotland's interests, that Scotland will now be able to

:44:33. > :44:43.move forward. Thank you very much. What are the

:44:44. > :44:50.bankers making of it? Is it a case of Armageddon postponed if not

:44:51. > :44:55.abolished? Well, that very much feels like the case this morning.

:44:56. > :44:58.Welcome to a very drizzly Edinburgh financial district! Are enjoyed by

:44:59. > :45:06.the chair of Scottish financial enterprise. How are you feeling this

:45:07. > :45:10.morning following the concerns of the financial industry had? Many of

:45:11. > :45:15.the uncertainties that would have been created by a Yes vote we can

:45:16. > :45:19.forget about. So in that sense it is good to look forward and make sure

:45:20. > :45:24.we will be doing so within the frameworks with which we are

:45:25. > :45:26.accustomed. That is part of the UK, the European Union and all of the

:45:27. > :45:30.stability which comes with that. Having said that, there will be more

:45:31. > :45:34.of a debate about Scottish powers and the Prime Minister spoke about

:45:35. > :45:37.it again this morning, and I was very encouraged indeed by hearing

:45:38. > :45:42.John Swinney talking about how he and his colleagues would play a full

:45:43. > :45:48.part in that as well. So we think there is a lot to look forward to

:45:49. > :45:50.and take advantage of. For the financial services sector in the

:45:51. > :45:54.ticket, are their powers you would be keen to see Scotland get its

:45:55. > :46:00.hands on? Some of those have already been trailed around income tax. I

:46:01. > :46:04.think they do allow ministers in the Scottish Government and Parliament

:46:05. > :46:09.to set some of the parameters within which Scotland can be a competitive

:46:10. > :46:12.environment within the UK. There is the opportunity there for

:46:13. > :46:16.differentiation and for Scotland to carve out a particular position as a

:46:17. > :46:19.very competitive part of the UK, and we think there are business

:46:20. > :46:23.opportunities in that. Over the last couple of weeks we have heard from a

:46:24. > :46:28.lot of financial services companies and banks about contingency plans

:46:29. > :46:38.and they are obviously not needed any more. You get those plans and

:46:39. > :46:42.have to make them when you are faced with situations you cannot plan for.

:46:43. > :46:46.I suppose in a sense now we're looking forward to thinking about

:46:47. > :46:50.what is going on in Brussels and other places now that we have put

:46:51. > :46:55.this very important decision behind us. RBS this morning saying they are

:46:56. > :47:00.still hugely committed to their operations in Scotland. That must be

:47:01. > :47:04.echoed across the financial services community here in Edinburgh?

:47:05. > :47:08.Absolutely. As I say, had we had a Yes vote, they would have been lots

:47:09. > :47:13.of questions, but now we can get on with doing what we do best, which is

:47:14. > :47:18.competing internationally in a very difficult and competitive market.

:47:19. > :47:22.Thank you. It would have been a very different picture here this morning

:47:23. > :47:27.and those contingency plans would have kicked in with serious business

:47:28. > :47:31.meetings going on. But people are going about their daily business as

:47:32. > :47:33.usual, getting their morning coffee and heading into the office for the

:47:34. > :47:42.rest of the day. Thank you. Let's get the latest news

:47:43. > :47:46.from Rhona. Thank you again. Scotland has voted and the decision

:47:47. > :47:52.has been made, and that decision is no. The margin of victory for the

:47:53. > :47:57.Better Together campaign was 55% to 45%, bigger than that anticipated by

:47:58. > :48:00.the final opinion polls. Prime minister David Cameron welcomed the

:48:01. > :48:05.result and said there was now a chance to change how people across

:48:06. > :48:08.the UK were governed, and said the three prounion parties at

:48:09. > :48:12.Westminster would deliver on further pledges of power for the Scottish

:48:13. > :48:15.Parliament. The First Minister, Alex Salmond, said he accepted the

:48:16. > :48:21.verdict of the people and called on everyone to do the same. He called

:48:22. > :48:24.on the three main British parties to make good on their promises of

:48:25. > :48:27.greater powers being devolved to the Scottish Parliament. The Yes

:48:28. > :48:31.campaign won in only four local authority areas out of a total of

:48:32. > :48:36.32. They were Glasgow, Dundee, North Lanarkshire and West Dumbarton show.

:48:37. > :48:42.Now it is time to go to the weather, and here is the latest.

:48:43. > :48:49.It is still cloudy, especially further across the East down to

:48:50. > :48:52.Aberdeenshire and across down to the Borders, and while it is still

:48:53. > :48:58.cloudy here, we will see brighter cells developing, especially across

:48:59. > :49:02.the south-west, and across the great Glen area. Temperatures could go up

:49:03. > :49:08.to 20 or 21 degrees, but widely around the mid-teens. The patchy

:49:09. > :49:11.rain will spread further towards the East through the evening, allowing

:49:12. > :49:18.temperatures to fall to around seven or eight with those clear skies, but

:49:19. > :49:22.elsewhere, 11-13. Still cloudy across the south of the country but

:49:23. > :49:27.gradually clearing away with that rain, clearing the ball despite the

:49:28. > :49:30.afternoon. More in the way of sunshine across the central belt but

:49:31. > :49:35.temperatures in the midst high teens and more of a north-westerly

:49:36. > :49:39.breeze. On Sunday, fine and dry conditions with high pressure firmly

:49:40. > :49:41.in place. Lots of sunshine in store and temperatures a few degrees lower

:49:42. > :49:51.but temperatures still at 15 or 16. I will be back with a longer news

:49:52. > :49:56.summary later. Thank you. Lots of sunshine! You

:49:57. > :50:03.can't argue with that! Let's go back to Andrew at Holyrood. Yes, I am

:50:04. > :50:07.joined in the studio by star of stage and screen and famous yes

:50:08. > :50:13.supporter Brian Cox. Good morning. Thank you for coming on. What is

:50:14. > :50:17.your reaction? You must be pretty disappointed? I'm disappointed but

:50:18. > :50:24.also proud. It is a curious split I have got because I think we have

:50:25. > :50:29.done incredibly well. The turnout, 87%. The winner is social democracy.

:50:30. > :50:33.There is no question about that. We have shown that. It is the politics

:50:34. > :50:37.of the people as opposed to the politics of the parliamentarians,

:50:38. > :50:42.and I think the political establishment of Westminster is

:50:43. > :50:46.really, really now under severe scrutiny and has been shown somewhat

:50:47. > :50:50.wanting. It is a broken thing which needs to be fixed. But I think the

:50:51. > :50:55.people have shown, and the people of Scotland in particular, have shown

:50:56. > :51:00.whether it is a yes or no, it is a wonderful example of the Scots

:51:01. > :51:06.character, a costly yeses were impassioned and this difference and

:51:07. > :51:10.the noes kept it to their chest in a kind of poker game, and are very

:51:11. > :51:21.good at that! It is a rather good feeling at the end of it. Excuse me

:51:22. > :51:33.while I laugh at my sleeve right now! I will believe it when it is

:51:34. > :51:37.there. The idea... We want to devo max start with and we weren't

:51:38. > :51:40.allowed to have it. Then Cameron comes up with the three Amigos and

:51:41. > :51:45.they arrive on their horses with their sombreros and kilts, and they

:51:46. > :51:51.say, oh, we will give it to you, you have this. And we are going, well,

:51:52. > :51:54.we didn't ask for it before. He has a problem with his backbenchers

:51:55. > :51:57.because they are not very happy about it and the Labour Party will

:51:58. > :52:01.be happy about what Cameron wants to give, so it is a long road. They

:52:02. > :52:07.want to get a white paper by March. Good luck, is all I can say! What

:52:08. > :52:12.did you make of the Yes campaign? It was a big movement and went into

:52:13. > :52:18.every community in Scotland. You saw it. It almost got there in the end?

:52:19. > :52:23.It did. It did incredibly well because there was an intellectual

:52:24. > :52:30.rigour about it. People like Pat Kay, Vivienne Westwood, for gods

:52:31. > :52:34.sake! Rhona Cameron, sorry, rather. It was a fantastic and pain. I have

:52:35. > :52:40.nothing but praise for the Yes campaign. Those lads and lasses

:52:41. > :52:44.really worked their butts off, they really did. And I think we have a

:52:45. > :52:52.lot to be proud of. We galvanise the country. You know, they completely

:52:53. > :52:55.underestimated it. Underestimated the whole campaign. They totally

:52:56. > :53:04.underestimated the power of Westminster. -- the power,

:53:05. > :53:07.Westminster. They were just thinking, those little Scots. People

:53:08. > :53:15.will remember this for a long, long time to come. So, thinking of the

:53:16. > :53:19.nationalist campaign, and we were speaking about your own Braveheart

:53:20. > :53:23.earlier. It is very emotive and kind of hairs on the back of the next

:53:24. > :53:29.stuff. You a kind of part of that first night you have to that

:53:30. > :53:33.forward? But I am not a nationalist. I am an independent. It

:53:34. > :53:38.is not about nationalism, it is about independence. It is not about

:53:39. > :53:43.playing bagpipes and your painted face. It is about something much

:53:44. > :53:47.more fundamental than that. It is about self-worth,, about the law and

:53:48. > :53:53.the working class and the underclass. -- self-worth and self

:53:54. > :53:58.esteem. This goes straight into the heart of England. We have to leave

:53:59. > :54:05.it there thank you for coming to speak to us. Back to the studio.

:54:06. > :54:12.And, well, Hamish Madonna, very briefly, you have been muttering

:54:13. > :54:18.ever since Ed Miliband was on here. -- Hamish McLaren old. I was very

:54:19. > :54:22.intrigued with the speech. In the fact that he did not thank the

:54:23. > :54:30.Conservative partners or the Lib Dem partners and he over gave -- only

:54:31. > :54:34.gave Gordon Brown the most fleeting of praise. And when you think about

:54:35. > :54:38.those who have their reputations enhanced by this process. It is

:54:39. > :54:41.slightly Alistair Darling and certainly Gordon Brown, and I think

:54:42. > :54:46.Ed Miliband is in a very difficult position. He is there as a Labour

:54:47. > :54:50.Leader who was not able to carry the Labour vote until he had help from

:54:51. > :54:55.his predecessor. I know you want to drop a bombshell. But for the

:54:56. > :55:02.moment, we are going to go to Jeremy Vine. Yes, we are!

:55:03. > :55:12.Let's look at the margin of victory. The noes on 55% and the yeses on

:55:13. > :55:17.45%. So a 10% gap - more than the polls were telling us they would be.

:55:18. > :55:21.And the map has been left decisively coloured. This is Scotland after

:55:22. > :55:26.this historic referendum. I will colour in the areas which voted

:55:27. > :55:32.mainly no read, and you can see how many there are. Just four council

:55:33. > :55:35.areas which went for yes. Glasgow and surrounding, and then up in the

:55:36. > :55:40.north-east you can see Dundee there in green. Come back to our wall and

:55:41. > :55:44.you can see the results of that battle ground of the 32 councils.

:55:45. > :55:50.You struggle to find those that said yes because there are only four. You

:55:51. > :55:59.see the Yes vote did win in Glasgow. The biggest council with the most in

:56:00. > :56:05.it. Big councils all went no, though. As did many of the others.

:56:06. > :56:13.In fact, the first results we had in all went no and it was only Dundee

:56:14. > :56:20.city which went yes. Our first yes result. Four in total, then. You see

:56:21. > :56:28.how dramatic the result is when I isolate the yeses and the noes. As

:56:29. > :56:33.we go down the wall here, they become more convincing. So, the

:56:34. > :56:40.biggest margins on this side. Orkney and Shetland and also Scottish

:56:41. > :56:43.Borders and Dumfries and Galloway in Conservative-leaning areas, they

:56:44. > :56:49.definitely did not want to break up with the UK. So, looking at this

:56:50. > :56:59.result, it is certainly decisive. Maybe not a whitewash but a definite

:57:00. > :57:04.and convincing win for the noes. Thank you, Jeremy. What was the

:57:05. > :57:08.bombshell you wanted to drop? It is not a bombshell but I was listening

:57:09. > :57:13.to Ed Miliband take this tribalist approach to the next election.

:57:14. > :57:19.He said the no vote was for social justice. But if you look at the map

:57:20. > :57:24.and the areas which are better off and had something to lose, then look

:57:25. > :57:29.at the Green, and there is the working class, the underclass, the

:57:30. > :57:34.people who do not have. Now, the reality of independence is not the

:57:35. > :57:38.constitutionality of it, it is a means to an end for people to

:57:39. > :57:43.improve their lives. This is where the UK has got into trouble. They

:57:44. > :57:48.will have to devolve assets to building up these areas. If they

:57:49. > :57:51.don't do that, they are just creating or lighting the fuse for

:57:52. > :57:57.the next referendum, you might say. And there is only a 5% swing on it.

:57:58. > :58:01.So they cannot relax. But the people who do have things were those who

:58:02. > :58:05.think I'll -- on the analysis who voted for that and they will be

:58:06. > :58:10.deeply disappointed and disillusioned. Watch this space.

:58:11. > :58:15.Your reservations about Ed Miliband seem to be more, as I understood

:58:16. > :58:18.you, that you think Labour should be more cautious about signing up to a

:58:19. > :58:22.speedy process of further devolution and give it a bit more thought? I

:58:23. > :58:26.think it is important that we are involved in looking at more powers

:58:27. > :58:29.and there has to be a process and the timeline. To be fair to Ed

:58:30. > :58:35.Miliband, I greatly admire what he is doing in terms of the politics in

:58:36. > :58:40.terms of, you know, the energy retail, social justice. That is

:58:41. > :58:43.fine. But I do think we have to be careful as we embark upon new powers

:58:44. > :58:48.for Scotland, we have to have good legislation, and at the end of the

:58:49. > :58:50.day, I want Labour to lead. I don't think they lead during the

:58:51. > :58:54.referendum campaign and I want them to lead in Scotland, because one of

:58:55. > :58:57.the things in the aftermath of this campaign is Labour has to be billed

:58:58. > :59:02.in the aftermath of this campaign is Labour has to be building Scotland

:59:03. > :59:04.because they have 215 ahead, so they have to combine constitutional

:59:05. > :59:09.politics with a new false of the that can take us forward. Ed has

:59:10. > :59:13.part of that but he needs to accept that we need to move forward with

:59:14. > :59:17.some caution to make sure we get the legislation right. Thank you very

:59:18. > :59:25.much. It is ten o'clock. Let's go to Rona, who has a summary of the news.

:59:26. > :59:31.I don't actually have any words in front of me. I think what I'm going

:59:32. > :59:36.to do, Gordon, is come back down to the shop floor, why don't you carry

:59:37. > :59:42.on with so more interesting conversation? Sorry about that!

:59:43. > :59:47.There is a bombshell, no news! What do you make of what you have heard

:59:48. > :59:50.from the politicians? I was interested to hear what Gordon said

:59:51. > :59:56.about social justice, because I would like to be able to pick up on

:59:57. > :59:59.that, when he said the winner of the night was social tomography. I

:00:00. > :00:08.thought the winner of the night was the night at Kingdom and -- the

:00:09. > :00:13.United Kingdom and the Better Together campaign. We should not get

:00:14. > :00:17.away from the fact that we were looking at possibly a two-point gap,

:00:18. > :00:24.maybe less, and it has ended up with a ten point gap, and that is a very

:00:25. > :00:26.decisive vote for the Union, and I do not think we have necessarily

:00:27. > :00:32.focused enough on that. And it doesn't look as if the political

:00:33. > :00:35.parties involved are going to focus on that, because Alistair Darling

:00:36. > :00:38.has moved onto Scottish Labour and seems to have ditched the whole

:00:39. > :00:44.Better Together thing. We will come back in a moment. I think we are

:00:45. > :00:48.going now to Jonathan Sutherland at the Emirates Stadium. He is with

:00:49. > :00:53.John Reid. Yes, thank you very much, Gordon, we

:00:54. > :00:59.are outside the Emirates arena in the East End of Glasgow, where the

:01:00. > :01:01.last men and women standing in the Better Together campaign have

:01:02. > :01:06.been... One man who has stuck with us, before he gets the eighth, his

:01:07. > :01:15.doctor John Reid. First of all, what is the reaction to what has been an

:01:16. > :01:19.historic night? -- is Dr John Greig. I am delighted that there's been a

:01:20. > :01:22.clear decision and that we want to stay inside the partnership of the

:01:23. > :01:27.night at Kingdom. This is a discussion that has been going on

:01:28. > :01:35.since the mid-1970s. -- the United Kingdom. In a sense, this vote is

:01:36. > :01:42.the end of the discussion. It is clear, for generations, Alex Salmond

:01:43. > :01:47.had said, we want to be part of the United Kingdom. In the other sense

:01:48. > :01:54.it is a beginning, because I hope we can work together, not only the

:01:55. > :01:59.parties, Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives and the Labour Party,

:02:00. > :02:03.but I hope the SNP, to have better governance inside the UK. And that

:02:04. > :02:07.doesn't just affect Scotland, because I think that the Welsh, the

:02:08. > :02:12.Northern Irish and the English will want to look at their issues as

:02:13. > :02:16.well, and that is right. We had Johann Lamont, Ed Miliband and

:02:17. > :02:27.Alistair Darling talking about how change will happen, very much the

:02:28. > :02:29.watchword. How difficult do you think the negotiations and

:02:30. > :02:32.discussions between now and the draft legislation will be? There is

:02:33. > :02:36.still a lot of heat on both sides. I think change will happen, not just

:02:37. > :02:41.because it has been pledged, though it has, but I think because people

:02:42. > :02:45.understand in the modern Britain, the modern United Kingdom, you

:02:46. > :02:50.cannot go on in the centralised way that you did last century or the

:02:51. > :02:55.century before. So it is an actual process which applies not only to

:02:56. > :03:00.Scotland but to the other nations. Whether that takes the form of

:03:01. > :03:05.decentralising in England the or city regions, local enterprise

:03:06. > :03:13.companies or whatever, it will be discussed. -- in England to the

:03:14. > :03:17.cities or city regions. On the other hand, there is pretty common cause

:03:18. > :03:20.among the three major parties about the types of powers they want

:03:21. > :03:26.devolved to the Scottish Parliament now, including tax raising powers,

:03:27. > :03:31.control over our own welfare spending. Yes, there are differences

:03:32. > :03:36.in the details, but we have got a timetable for working it out. The

:03:37. > :03:39.wider questions, as regards England and Wales and Northern Ireland,

:03:40. > :03:45.there hasn't been so much thought put into that, there has been some,

:03:46. > :03:51.so they may be difficult, but change will come, and that is not a bad

:03:52. > :03:56.thing - that is a good thing, so tonight's vote, sorry, this

:03:57. > :04:01.morning's vote, we have been up so long! This morning's vote is not

:04:02. > :04:05.just a means of change in Scotland. I think it is good for the whole of

:04:06. > :04:09.the United Kingdom. How disappointing is it, from a Labour

:04:10. > :04:13.point of view, because we seem to be very much into the realms of party

:04:14. > :04:23.politics, very much a Labour Party thing today, how disappointing is it

:04:24. > :04:28.that Glasgow was very much Yes? Yes, it is disappointing, but it is

:04:29. > :04:34.understandable. You see, I may have a minority view, but my view is that

:04:35. > :04:38.not the whole of the yes vote was from people who wanted a separate

:04:39. > :04:42.nation. A substantial portion would have been, people who positively

:04:43. > :04:48.wanted to separate and have independence. But at least some of

:04:49. > :04:53.them, and I think probably a good little bit, was a protest against

:04:54. > :04:59.cuts, austerity, the conditions in which people are living. And I

:05:00. > :05:03.think, in a general election, those boats might have gone to Labour to

:05:04. > :05:10.get rid of the Conservatives, but here they accumulated around the Yes

:05:11. > :05:13.flag, and I understand that. -- those votes-macro. Change has to

:05:14. > :05:19.happen not only in a constitutional sense, but also politicians saying,

:05:20. > :05:22.right, there are obviously cries of anxiety, anger and frustration here

:05:23. > :05:28.which exhibited themselves through this support, so how do we apply

:05:29. > :05:33.ourselves to those issues. Dr John Reid, thank you, up since seven

:05:34. > :05:37.o'clock yesterday morning, that is it for now from the Emirates arena,

:05:38. > :05:42.back to you. I think John Reid never sleeps,

:05:43. > :05:46.extraordinary! Can I pick up on something he was saying there? You

:05:47. > :05:50.see, we are all talking about more powers, but arguably one of the most

:05:51. > :05:56.striking things is that most of the traditional Labour areas,

:05:57. > :06:02.working-class areas, voted yes and that what the Labour Party has not

:06:03. > :06:07.managed to do is develop a narrative about poverty and deprivation which

:06:08. > :06:17.breaks out the framework of nationalism. The SNP have co-opted

:06:18. > :06:20.that, it is all more powers, and more debate about more powers is

:06:21. > :06:23.still in the framework that the SNP wants to have. Perhaps Gordon Brown

:06:24. > :06:26.has been trying to break away from that, but you have an awful long way

:06:27. > :06:28.to go. John Reid makes a lot of points I would agree with, and

:06:29. > :06:32.Gordon introduced this part of the discussion by talking about the

:06:33. > :06:40.economic challenges, and three areas which voted very solidly yes, but

:06:41. > :06:43.this is why I want to see Labour combines social justice and

:06:44. > :06:47.constitutional change, because that gives Labour an edge. Traditionally

:06:48. > :06:51.it has been the party... But you need a narrative which has nothing

:06:52. > :06:55.to do with Scotland against Westminster but is a traditional

:06:56. > :07:00.Labour narrative, forget all this stuff about Scotland, England, Wales

:07:01. > :07:04.and Northern Ireland - we are the British Labour Party, this is our

:07:05. > :07:13.case. Shall justice. We need to return to some basics in terms of

:07:14. > :07:17.common good. -- this is our case for social justice. Now is the time in

:07:18. > :07:22.Scotland to return to those very ethical issues which drive the

:07:23. > :07:26.party, but if we can get the constitutional issue is settled, it

:07:27. > :07:30.does allow the freedom, because the SNP have dominated, it does allow

:07:31. > :07:36.the freedom to concentrate on some big issues. But in relation to his

:07:37. > :07:41.comments, if you consider that in 1999 we had a Scotland Act with new

:07:42. > :07:48.powers and taxes, then in 2012, we had more powers and taxes, in 2015

:07:49. > :07:52.we are going to have more powers and taxes - wouldn't it be right to

:07:53. > :07:55.consider that if we carry on incrementally changing, we are going

:07:56. > :07:59.to run out of powers at Westminster to devolve? That is why we need a

:08:00. > :08:04.strategy that looks to the future, in a sense working backwards. The

:08:05. > :08:09.other side of this, traditional Labour working-class areas voted

:08:10. > :08:14.yes. Apart from Dundee, the heartland SNP areas voted quite

:08:15. > :08:18.heavily know. You haven't convinced the Scottish middle classes in these

:08:19. > :08:21.areas that they might want to vote because they like Alex Salmond and

:08:22. > :08:25.think he runs a good Scottish Government, but they are not in

:08:26. > :08:30.favour of independence. I would have taken a different stance on these

:08:31. > :08:35.matters, but having represented an urban industrial constituency, I

:08:36. > :08:39.think that what we did not do in the Yes campaign was to fight it on the

:08:40. > :08:44.north-south divide, the growth of London, the emigration of 40,000

:08:45. > :08:49.young Scots a year. These are the essential reasons why we require

:08:50. > :08:56.independence and the economic powers to change the face of the Scottish

:08:57. > :09:03.economy. You convinced Henry McLeish's traditional vote, but not

:09:04. > :09:06.your own. There is always a discordance between the two, but

:09:07. > :09:10.what you are seeking is a majority, and I did not think the balance was

:09:11. > :09:15.wrong, but that is me getting into trouble again by saying such a

:09:16. > :09:19.thing! We will leave that for the moment and go to Simon Jack in the

:09:20. > :09:24.City of London, what is the mood like down there, Simon? Well, as

:09:25. > :09:29.expected, the City is giving this result and the margin of the result

:09:30. > :09:35.a pretty warm welcome. Sterling rallied, first of all when the

:09:36. > :09:38.YouGov poll put the no vote ahead, then Clackmannanshire, which could

:09:39. > :09:42.have gone either way, when that declared no, we got another spurt. I

:09:43. > :09:48.can show you a couple of bits, a couple of weeks ago the markets

:09:49. > :10:01.thought this was a dead Serbs know, and then some opinion polls put it

:10:02. > :10:05.very close. -- a dead cert no. RBS's plans of moving south of the

:10:06. > :10:10.border have gone in the bin, there has been a relief rally. But

:10:11. > :10:14.political uncertainty does remain. The markets are trying to get their

:10:15. > :10:20.heads around some of the devolution promises that some people are saying

:10:21. > :10:24.have been hastily assembled. Nowhere near the kind of uncertainty we

:10:25. > :10:28.would have had about who owns what, what currency would be used, and it

:10:29. > :10:34.is not just here in the UK that we have seen results resonate. Spanish

:10:35. > :10:39.bonds are rallying, of course they have gone their own separatist

:10:40. > :10:44.issues, a lot of Catalans in Scotland for the referendum. So you

:10:45. > :10:48.are seeing a bounce in Spanish bonds, as the likelihood of them

:10:49. > :10:56.going through this seems to be receding slightly. Let's go back to

:10:57. > :11:00.Andrew Kerr in Edinburgh, if we are? Yes, there he is! I do not know

:11:01. > :11:04.if there has been any reaction from politicians, presumably they are

:11:05. > :11:08.fast asleep. We have had more consul generals and

:11:09. > :11:13.film stars around Holyrood at the moment! I can give you a few

:11:14. > :11:20.Edinburgh vignettes, the all-night vigil was continuing, the yes

:11:21. > :11:25.supporters were out singing Flower Of Scotland, starting to clear up

:11:26. > :11:29.some of the bottles after the vigil, and they left pretty dejected, down

:11:30. > :11:34.at heart. But last night in the capital, I was walking past one pub,

:11:35. > :11:37.and I heard one man say to another, everybody discussing the referendum

:11:38. > :11:43.of course, and he was saying, well, even if we don't win, it is a win

:11:44. > :11:46.for yes. I think he was being quite pragmatic, if there is no

:11:47. > :11:50.independence, there is the promise of more powers, so he was looking at

:11:51. > :11:55.it in a pragmatic optimistic kind of way. Further down the road, more

:11:56. > :12:00.people smoking outside another pub, and a chap said, I heard him say, it

:12:01. > :12:03.will involve the whole of the United Kingdom, would it? It was

:12:04. > :12:07.interesting that the chat in Edinburgh was already looking ahead

:12:08. > :12:12.to what was going to happen in the rest of the United Kingdom and

:12:13. > :12:23.obviously more powers. In. So maybe a lot of down at heart, downbeat

:12:24. > :12:30.people today, but some saying it is a win-win situation for yes in that

:12:31. > :12:34.way. -- more powers for Scotland. David Gold is back in London, any

:12:35. > :12:39.more reaction there? We starting to get more reaction, as far as Downing

:12:40. > :12:43.Street is concerned, David Cameron has made his statement, he has gone

:12:44. > :12:48.up a constituency visit this morning. I think Downing Street

:12:49. > :12:53.would like his statement to stand, they would like it to be business as

:12:54. > :12:58.usual here today. As regards other politicians, they have been putting

:12:59. > :13:02.their ideas in, William Hague has been interviewed and has said that

:13:03. > :13:06.it is incomprehensible that the so-called West Lothian question

:13:07. > :13:09.concerning the voting rights and responsibilities of Scottish MPs can

:13:10. > :13:12.not be looked at if you are looking at more powers for the Scottish

:13:13. > :13:17.Parliament. He has been charged by David Cameron at looking at how they

:13:18. > :13:21.will bring these extra powers in, not just for Scotland but for the

:13:22. > :13:25.rest of the United Kingdom as well. Other Conservative backbenchers have

:13:26. > :13:29.perhaps been less helpful to David Cameron. Owen Paterson, the former

:13:30. > :13:34.Environment Secretary, has made it plain he is very unhappy with what

:13:35. > :13:40.the three UK party leaders promised to Scotland before the referendum.

:13:41. > :13:44.He, I think, like many others, is quite concerned. He has gone as far

:13:45. > :13:49.as calling for a recall of Parliament to discuss what has

:13:50. > :13:52.happened. I don't think that is likely, certainly Downing Street are

:13:53. > :13:58.not in the mood to accede to that kind of demand. Another Conservative

:13:59. > :14:02.MP, Bernard Jenkin, the Essex MP, pretty well-known as not a friend of

:14:03. > :14:06.David Cameron, has again said if Scotland is going to get more

:14:07. > :14:09.powers, England must get more powers, and the whole question of

:14:10. > :14:14.the Barnett formula, the money that Scotland gets, and also the voting

:14:15. > :14:18.rights of Scottish MPs have got to be addressed. As far as Downing

:14:19. > :14:22.Street is concerned, they would like to say, look, nothing to say here,

:14:23. > :14:26.we have resolved this question, we would get on the process of

:14:27. > :14:28.governing. Somehow I don't think a lot of Conservative MPs are going to

:14:29. > :14:42.let that happen. Thank you. Now we have lots of

:14:43. > :14:47.decimals and fractions! A resounding victory for the No campaign last

:14:48. > :14:58.night and the first place to declare was Clackmannanshire. You can see

:14:59. > :14:59.46% yes and 54% no. A huge turnout, which was the second story the

:15:00. > :15:10.night. And then it was in Orkney and

:15:11. > :15:15.Shetland, which voted no. This was one of the biggest of the night.

:15:16. > :15:23.Difference is clearly more than 2/1 there. The tightest no vote of the

:15:24. > :15:28.whole evening was in Inverclyde. You can see it went red, which means it

:15:29. > :15:40.voted no to independence. But very tight. Just over 100 votes between

:15:41. > :15:49.the 2 of them. If we go to the Western Isles, it is this one here.

:15:50. > :15:53.Obviously represented by an SNP MP and an SNP MSP. Very much

:15:54. > :16:03.disappointment in that camp with that result. That result was

:16:04. > :16:08.followed closely by West Dunbartonshire. As you can see here,

:16:09. > :16:21.it was one of only four on the board which went to the yes camp. The

:16:22. > :16:30.first one which went to the yes camp way was Dundee. You will see there a

:16:31. > :16:39.pretty resounding victory. It was called Yes City by the yes camp. Not

:16:40. > :16:43.quite as higher turnout as some other areas but better than the last

:16:44. > :16:47.Scottish elections and general election as well. So, what happened

:16:48. > :16:54.when we go to Stirling? I have just lost it on the board! And you will

:16:55. > :17:03.see the result in Stirling was a pretty resounding 60% for the no

:17:04. > :17:11.camp. So the no camp very pleased with the amount and number of people

:17:12. > :17:16.they got out. So, if we go to Angus, you will see a very strong

:17:17. > :17:29.representation at Holyrood and Westminster. But disappointment for

:17:30. > :17:31.the Yes campaign again. If we go to Aberdeen, city of granite and oil,

:17:32. > :17:39.what did it think of the question on the ballot paper? Should Scotland be

:17:40. > :17:47.independent - yes or no? The turnout, about the same, 82%. And if

:17:48. > :17:51.we go to one of the areas which the yes camp had been hoping they would

:17:52. > :18:04.gain, you will see it as a green, which means it is green for yes.

:18:05. > :18:09.Just 5000 indifference. Quite tight. About the same as some of the polls

:18:10. > :18:15.over the last ten days or so. Now, if we look at South Lanarkshire,

:18:16. > :18:19.that is the constituency which also has the Conservative David

:18:20. > :18:25.Mundell's area in it, and that is perhaps why in an area in the north

:18:26. > :18:33.of Lanarkshire, some quite high deprivation in South Lanarkshire, so

:18:34. > :18:51.a different territory. A huge disappointment for the yes camp when

:18:52. > :18:56.it came to Perth and Kinross. But by 5am, it was the turn of Glasgow, the

:18:57. > :19:01.biggest constituency in Scotland, and you can see it has gone green.

:19:02. > :19:13.It went in favour of independence but a pretty low turnout - just 75%.

:19:14. > :19:17.The second biggest constituency in Scotland is Edinburgh, and you can

:19:18. > :19:24.see from the red colour that it voted no to independence. The

:19:25. > :19:34.turnout was about the same as other regions -80 4%. So, if we take you

:19:35. > :19:46.back here. -- 84%. If we go back to Fife, you will see that the result

:19:47. > :19:53.there on an 84% turnout to this number of votes. That was a

:19:54. > :19:56.bellwether seat. It has Gordon Brown's backyard but also SNP

:19:57. > :20:04.representation. It voted no to independence. And so if we show you

:20:05. > :20:10.in size of constituencies, if we look there, you can see on our map

:20:11. > :20:18.that Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, South Lanarkshire, North Lanarkshire, only

:20:19. > :20:25.four of those voted yes. Of the smaller, all of those voting no to

:20:26. > :20:40.independence. We will take you to our very final total and you will

:20:41. > :20:45.see by how much the yes camp won. The no camp was shot by just 200,000

:20:46. > :20:51.votes. And that is how it looked. -- was shot.

:20:52. > :21:01.Thank you. Stephen Duff has been in Aberdeen Harbour! While we have been

:21:02. > :21:05.stuck in here! Aberdeen voted decisively no. Aberdeen Harbour busy

:21:06. > :21:09.as ever this morning. It would have been continuing to be busy,

:21:10. > :21:14.independence or not. It would have continued to pump oil and gas from

:21:15. > :21:18.Scotland whatever the result. Some reaction from the company's

:21:19. > :21:21.representatives. Roy Lancaster UK saying it looked forward to

:21:22. > :21:32.continuing to work with the Scottish and UK governments. -- oil and gas

:21:33. > :21:36.UK. It is sticking to its claim which was very controversial during

:21:37. > :21:41.the referendum campaign, that they could be as much as

:21:42. > :21:52.12-24,000,000,000 roles of oil left in the North Sea. Again, happy that

:21:53. > :21:55.the uncertainty is now over. -- 12 to 24 billion barrels of oil. It

:21:56. > :22:01.said it was looking forward to the wood report. Aberdeen, we know parts

:22:02. > :22:05.of it, the middle-class, wealthy parts, voted no. Perhaps people in

:22:06. > :22:11.the oil and gas industry were looking to their future.

:22:12. > :22:19.Thank you, Steven. Katrina Renton has been talking to an actor. Beyond

:22:20. > :22:24.devastated. Thought it was the chance for something special and

:22:25. > :22:31.that we could create something special with a grassroots movement.

:22:32. > :22:35.But I think on our side the biggest thing in the debate was the

:22:36. > :22:41.timetable, which we have no idea what it is, and if it is not

:22:42. > :22:49.delivered, we will see the same people used it up for yes in that

:22:50. > :22:52.square again. And the people on no still believing we will get these

:22:53. > :22:57.extra powers. I don't think it is the end. It can't be. Westminster

:22:58. > :23:07.elite have been draining this country dry for so long. So I hope

:23:08. > :23:11.we can continue. I mean, the involvement and the people who had

:23:12. > :23:17.never even registered before voting. Hopefully this isn't the end of

:23:18. > :23:23.this. But there are other ways of looking at it. Basically yes has

:23:24. > :23:27.made up so much ground and maybe is this the beginning of a movement? I

:23:28. > :23:39.believed that. I was beyond devastated. I walked away from it

:23:40. > :23:48.but those younger people, I have just turned 30, so... If Westminster

:23:49. > :23:52.worked, if Britain worked, then we wouldn't be in this situation. But

:23:53. > :23:58.we will continue to hold them to account until it works. And is that

:23:59. > :24:04.the thing? Because basically we have heard about all these powers for

:24:05. > :24:08.Scotland but if this doesn't happen and you don't get a pretty good

:24:09. > :24:13.deal, I presume there will be a lot of pressure? It is not about a deal.

:24:14. > :24:18.It is not about us getting better. We just want to look after

:24:19. > :24:21.ourselves. I feel compelled to go back to George square because this

:24:22. > :24:24.is what I felt and I genuinely felt when I came through there tonight

:24:25. > :24:29.when I thought we were going to win it. The atmosphere was incredible.

:24:30. > :24:39.Hopefully, if we don't get what we were promised, we will be back

:24:40. > :24:48.there. At, again... -- but. And it is like being handed things rather

:24:49. > :24:52.than owning things? Exactly. Whether you voted no or yes doesn't make you

:24:53. > :25:02.any less a Scot. I have to accept that. Maybe we like being handed

:25:03. > :25:05.stuff. I want to take complete control of that. What I would would

:25:06. > :25:12.like to see if they timetable on how much will we have left because I

:25:13. > :25:22.think it would be miraculous now it has been handed back to the UK.

:25:23. > :25:29.Let's go back to another of our correspondents. Thank you for

:25:30. > :25:35.joining me, Alistair. Can I get the Law Society's reaction to the vote

:25:36. > :25:38.last night? The Law Society, prior to the vote, was strictly

:25:39. > :25:43.nonpartisan and continues to hold that position, and we are glad the

:25:44. > :25:46.decision has been made and the polls has happened, and now what

:25:47. > :25:51.we're looking forward to is working with the Westminster government

:25:52. > :25:54.other parties and creating the new Scotland which is clearly required

:25:55. > :26:00.and demanded, given the result of the poll. Before we get to the

:26:01. > :26:05.future, can we just focus on the past a bit? What did the referendum

:26:06. > :26:09.do the business, do you think? We heard some scare stories but what is

:26:10. > :26:14.your story? The referendum clearly had a big impact on business.

:26:15. > :26:20.Whenever there is uncertainty of outcome, currently being a major

:26:21. > :26:26.factor, then business people tend to derisk the situation, which means

:26:27. > :26:29.they don't do anything, and we started to see commercial business

:26:30. > :26:37.is putting plans on hold from April, and then after the government --

:26:38. > :26:40.YouGov poll came out, things slowed down dramatically and we started to

:26:41. > :26:45.see conditions come into offers which made the whole offer he

:26:46. > :26:49.conditional on there being a no vote. Looking at the new powers,

:26:50. > :26:53.what do you make of what is on offer? You will be looking at that

:26:54. > :27:01.with interest and how this plays, Holyrood, might be changing in the

:27:02. > :27:05.future. -- this place. What we would want encourages a wide discussion

:27:06. > :27:08.and consultation with the people of Scotland so we can work together to

:27:09. > :27:11.craft what the changes will look like and what the impact of those

:27:12. > :27:15.changes will have. The legal profession in Scotland has a great

:27:16. > :27:20.reputation for working with them. We did it when the Scottish Parliament

:27:21. > :27:24.opened in 1999, so why can we not do it again? And we would very much

:27:25. > :27:26.welcome to be part of that discussion and to work with

:27:27. > :27:30.interested parties on creating something which meets the needs of

:27:31. > :27:36.the people and is progressive and takes us forward as a nation. If

:27:37. > :27:39.there had been a Yes vote, drafting would have started on a new written

:27:40. > :27:44.constitution for Scotland. Do you think that is still lacking in the

:27:45. > :27:55.UK at the moment? We are looking at the UK framework and I was speaking

:27:56. > :28:02.to the political editor of the Daily Record, and it is almost a front

:28:03. > :28:07.page, The Vow from Westminster. I don't think we have to have that to

:28:08. > :28:11.be a successful country going forward, a constitution. It isn't

:28:12. > :28:14.the critical factor but obviously there is a demand from the people of

:28:15. > :28:22.Scotland for change and the status quo is no longer sit -- acceptable,

:28:23. > :28:25.and if that future looks like having a written constitution involved,

:28:26. > :28:29.then, again, the Law Society would be delighted to be involved in that.

:28:30. > :28:34.We have the skills and our membership to be involved and it is

:28:35. > :28:40.the sort of thing the Society and lawyers in the Society should be

:28:41. > :28:45.involved in. You said they took a neutral view on independence but

:28:46. > :28:48.thinking of membership, you think of lawyers as being fairly

:28:49. > :28:53.establishment and traditional-type figures, but can you tell me perhaps

:28:54. > :28:55.what the overall feeling was? There is a sense you are very much part of

:28:56. > :29:04.the establishment? For those living at it from a

:29:05. > :29:08.commercial point of view, because of the on certainty, the continued

:29:09. > :29:13.uncertainty that a yes vote would bring, there was anxiety in terms of

:29:14. > :29:15.their business, that clients would have reduced activity and that would

:29:16. > :29:21.have a knock-on impact on their business. So from the commercial

:29:22. > :29:24.point of view, having certainty, the sooner the better, helps our

:29:25. > :29:29.businesses, and that was a major factor in our thinking. Thank you

:29:30. > :29:34.very much for coming in from the Law Society of Scotland. Back to you,

:29:35. > :29:38.Gordon, in Glasgow. Look, I am very aware that some of

:29:39. > :29:42.you may, for whatever reason, not have been following very closely

:29:43. > :29:45.what has gone on. Perhaps you've been on night shift, perhaps you've

:29:46. > :29:50.just switched on the television, so let's just pause for a moment and

:29:51. > :29:53.remind ourselves, at least Kevin will remind us, of what the story is

:29:54. > :29:56.of what has happened during the last few hours.

:29:57. > :30:15.Yes, 114,148. No, 130 9000, 788.

:30:16. > :30:22.This is the moment when the referendum result was confirmed.

:30:23. > :30:26.140,000 voters in Fife would take the no support across the finish

:30:27. > :30:30.line with the votes still to count. Soon afterwards, the First Minister

:30:31. > :30:35.accepted the result and praised the people of Scotland for an 86%

:30:36. > :30:44.turnout, but he had this message for his Westminster counterparts. Gold

:30:45. > :30:48.-- I pledge to work constructively in the interests of Scotland and the

:30:49. > :31:00.rest of the United Kingdom. Secondly, the Unionist parties made

:31:01. > :31:06.vows to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these

:31:07. > :31:10.to be honoured rapidly. The Prime Minister went further, announcing

:31:11. > :31:15.powers being devolved to all four nations on the same timescale to

:31:16. > :31:20.that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who so successfully

:31:21. > :31:23.led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, as agreed to oversee the process to

:31:24. > :31:28.take forward these devolution commitments with powers over tax,

:31:29. > :31:32.spending and welfare all agreed by November and draft legislation

:31:33. > :31:36.published by January. Just as the people of Scotland will have more

:31:37. > :31:40.power over their affairs, so it follows that the people of England,

:31:41. > :31:55.Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over there is. --

:31:56. > :32:07.theirs. The first result came in at 1:30 with someone keen to hear the

:32:08. > :32:13.result by phone. Yes, 16,350. No, 19,000...

:32:14. > :32:19.CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19,036. The people of

:32:20. > :32:25.Clackmannanshire boated no, 54% of them, setting the tone for the

:32:26. > :32:30.night. -- voted. At the Better Together headquarters, the mood was

:32:31. > :32:34.buoyant, no knowledge of what was to come, but confidence nonetheless. To

:32:35. > :32:39.those who supported us and a great team of volunteers, that is you...

:32:40. > :32:50.All of you, all the political parties who have worked for this

:32:51. > :32:58.outcome, I want to say thanks from the bottom of my heart, thank you

:32:59. > :33:01.very much. Among the first to declare where the islands, with the

:33:02. > :33:09.Western Isles' results coming initially in Gaelic... The language

:33:10. > :33:15.might have been different, but he was old was the same, still nothing

:33:16. > :33:20.for the yes side. The face of the campaign chairman appeared to say it

:33:21. > :33:24.all. On the streets of Glasgow, though, the initial losing streak

:33:25. > :33:29.didn't dampen the party atmosphere. Hundreds were in George Square to

:33:30. > :33:36.mark an important day in Scotland's history. The spirits here were

:33:37. > :33:42.nothing but high. Dundee was the first to go to yes, decisive, making

:33:43. > :33:47.the race neck and neck. And then the biggest moment of the night when yes

:33:48. > :33:52.took the lead. For a full five minutes, the glum faces were gone,

:33:53. > :33:59.and it was high fives all around. The yes camp stood at 50.2% of those

:34:00. > :34:11.counted. But then it would crumble. No, 37,000...

:34:12. > :34:18.No, 62,700... No, 70,000...

:34:19. > :34:25.Two clear messages coming out of it. Firstly, the turnout suggests

:34:26. > :34:29.people in Scotland really have found their voice, and secondly, with over

:34:30. > :34:33.1 million people voting at this stage for independence, many of

:34:34. > :34:37.those who will have voted no to independence because they believe it

:34:38. > :34:42.would deliver stanch powers for the Scottish Parliament, there is a big

:34:43. > :34:47.appetite for change. -- deliver substantial powers. The counts went

:34:48. > :34:56.of almost flawlessly, except in Dundee, where a firearm twice forced

:34:57. > :35:01.the evacuation of the counting hall. -- a fire alarm. The majority of

:35:02. > :35:06.ballots cast by the people of Scotland, in response to the

:35:07. > :35:11.question, should Scotland be an independent country, were in favour

:35:12. > :35:15.of no. The chief accounting officer's moment was stolen. By the

:35:16. > :35:22.time she made her declaration, it was all long over. And for some, it

:35:23. > :35:27.was proving to be just too much. Shortly after five o'clock, the BBC

:35:28. > :35:30.called the referendum with the people of Scotland rejecting

:35:31. > :35:35.independence. It is the end of chapter one, but the falls Tory is

:35:36. > :35:41.still to be told. Kevin Keane reporting. We have been

:35:42. > :35:44.joined by commentator Gerry Hassan, you don't get to do the commentating

:35:45. > :35:57.until you show us the T-shirt. What does it say? Yes to the sum of

:35:58. > :36:05.independence, it is a last wear before I throw it away or put it in

:36:06. > :36:09.the attic -- summer. I was at an all-night with people who have been

:36:10. > :36:13.making a marvellous contribution to this debate. I want to put it to

:36:14. > :36:19.you, maybe the thing that strikes me most is that all the traditional

:36:20. > :36:23.working class Labour areas, and perhaps we can include Dundee in

:36:24. > :36:29.that, they all voted yes, perhaps Inverclyde comes into that, a very

:36:30. > :36:36.narrow no. All the traditional heartlands of the SNP voted no,

:36:37. > :36:42.sometimes by thumping majorities. It is completely paradoxical. Yes, it

:36:43. > :36:46.is paradoxical in terms of party politics, but not beyond that. One

:36:47. > :36:49.of the defining factors of the referendum has been about insiders

:36:50. > :36:59.and outsiders. The less state as you have in society, the more likely you

:37:00. > :37:03.were to vote yes. -- status. That map looks like it has held quite

:37:04. > :37:07.significantly. You have to go to Dundee and Glasgow and elsewhere,

:37:08. > :37:13.where there are lots of divisions in nose, but it looks like one of the

:37:14. > :37:19.stories of the night, I think. -- in those. Almost a clasp vote. Yes,

:37:20. > :37:24.people have said that, that it is a class issue. I think that is a bit

:37:25. > :37:32.one-dimensional. We don't want to go back to the 1970s... People have

:37:33. > :37:36.been saying, even in more affluent areas, it is the less affluent bits

:37:37. > :37:40.of those areas that have been voting yes. That is right, and it is

:37:41. > :37:45.something about what people feel they have got at risk what they feel

:37:46. > :37:50.they can gain from the potential social change of independence. A lot

:37:51. > :37:54.of people scared of the unknown, and we have heard about the Law Society,

:37:55. > :37:58.there is institutions of Scotland were scared of things changing,

:37:59. > :38:03.scared of instability. Another way of looking at that, Gordon, it may

:38:04. > :38:06.well be that people who see themselves as being deprived have

:38:07. > :38:09.gone to vote yes, but another way of looking at it is that the middle

:38:10. > :38:15.classes of Scotland came out and said to you and your politics, we

:38:16. > :38:19.are just not having it. I think that is perfectly true, that is my own

:38:20. > :38:23.analysis of it, and that is why they should have been a bad economic

:38:24. > :38:28.presentation, so the middle classes could see that there would be a

:38:29. > :38:34.benefit. Take one example - 40,000 young people emigrate from Scotland

:38:35. > :38:37.every year, a large proportion of them are children from middle-class

:38:38. > :38:42.families. You are finding that they have to leave Scotland in order to

:38:43. > :38:48.get a job or a better job. If we had made that pitch, it may well be that

:38:49. > :38:52.the grandparents could have come into play. The other thing that we

:38:53. > :38:56.can note is that a large number of those who are voting no are of my

:38:57. > :39:01.generation, and it is the older people in particular, still British

:39:02. > :39:08.in some ways, and that is a passing phase. Gordon, thanks for that for

:39:09. > :39:11.the moment. In Edinburgh, it is raining, we have better talk to

:39:12. > :39:18.collector before she is soaked. What is the mood among the financial

:39:19. > :39:22.types you have talked to? It is interesting to see people heading

:39:23. > :39:28.into work, getting on with their business, which started earlier

:39:29. > :39:33.today. I am in Millennium Square just off Lothian road, surrounded by

:39:34. > :39:38.big financial institutions, to my left Scottish Widows, to my right

:39:39. > :39:44.Clydesdale Bank, and beyond that and down the road it is, of course,

:39:45. > :39:47.Standard Life, who have been at the centre of the referendum campaign

:39:48. > :39:53.because they came out early on talking about the dangers for them

:39:54. > :39:57.as a business of a yes vote, and there seems to be a collective sense

:39:58. > :40:01.of relief. There were significant companies that came out in saying

:40:02. > :40:04.that if there was a yes vote, it wouldn't damage business, that

:40:05. > :40:10.Scottish financial institutions would carry on business as usual,

:40:11. > :40:14.and most notably Aberdeen Asset Management. Most organisations will

:40:15. > :40:18.be relieved because of the significant concerns they had around

:40:19. > :40:21.currency and who would be regulating them in an independent Scotland,

:40:22. > :40:25.that has been removed. Those contingency plans do not need to be

:40:26. > :40:29.put into place that people have been working on over the last weeks and

:40:30. > :40:33.months. Looking at the markets, a pretty steady start to the FTSE, and

:40:34. > :40:37.on the currency market the pound took a real bounce this morning,

:40:38. > :40:42.probably off the back of the result and even the predicted results that

:40:43. > :40:46.we saw last night. The pound gaining in value, so it seems to be that the

:40:47. > :40:51.business community and the financial institutions here in Edinburgh are

:40:52. > :40:54.relieved. The instability has been removed. We have talked a lot in

:40:55. > :41:00.this campaign about the fact that business do not like instability,

:41:01. > :41:03.insecurity, and with the bat, it does seem that businesses would be

:41:04. > :41:07.getting on as usual and perhaps even going forward with growth plans that

:41:08. > :41:10.we may have seen put on the back burner over the last weeks and

:41:11. > :41:14.months while we were waiting for this result to be announced. It will

:41:15. > :41:18.be interesting to see in the next weeks and months the growth plans

:41:19. > :41:24.that businesses come out with, whether it is physical extensions or

:41:25. > :41:28.growth plans in terms of finance and staff. We have heard this morning

:41:29. > :41:31.from RBS, saying that they are committed to their Scottish

:41:32. > :41:35.operations, and I would imagine that most other institutions that had put

:41:36. > :41:39.out contingency plans will do the same thing this morning. Again,

:41:40. > :41:43.reassuring the markets that they will continue as normal and are

:41:44. > :41:48.committed to working in Scotland. And, Colletta, is it your sense that

:41:49. > :41:52.banks and financial institutions, were they exaggerating, do you

:41:53. > :41:57.think, what could have happened if there was a yes vote? Or would there

:41:58. > :42:02.have been... Do you think they genuinely believed it could have

:42:03. > :42:05.been cataclysmic? I don't think it is a case of exaggeration, but

:42:06. > :42:10.contingency plans have to be put in place for any kind of eventuality,

:42:11. > :42:13.to banks are used to making that kind of contingency planning. I

:42:14. > :42:20.imagine they will be doing something similar in the bun up to the UK

:42:21. > :42:25.collection, now that we are seeing these implications around UK

:42:26. > :42:29.membership of the EU. -- in the run-up. Banks will be putting in

:42:30. > :42:33.those contingency plans, as will other business organisations. It is

:42:34. > :42:36.not that they exaggerated the claim, it was a serious issue around the

:42:37. > :42:40.issue of regulation. It may have been the case that the UK regulator

:42:41. > :42:43.would have forced those banks and institutions to move to the rest of

:42:44. > :42:47.the UK where their remaining customers are put up thankfully,

:42:48. > :42:51.that is not an issue they have to contend with now or think through

:42:52. > :42:55.all work through. They can happily remain in Scotland. That is a relief

:42:56. > :43:00.for workers heading into work this morning, to know their jobs are

:43:01. > :43:04.secure and that the institutions and the registered offices will be

:43:05. > :43:08.staying here too. All right, Colletta, thank you. For the last 24

:43:09. > :43:13.hours, the right to vote is not the only thing that people have been

:43:14. > :43:22.queueing for. Here is Jane Lewis. Momentous overnight in Scotland, as

:43:23. > :43:26.it was put to the vote, but if you thought these guys were interested

:43:27. > :43:31.in that, not a bit of it! They want to get their hands on the new iPhone

:43:32. > :43:34.6, they have been queueing since Thursday lunch time. Let's have a

:43:35. > :43:38.word with a couple of the guys who are desperate to get their hands on

:43:39. > :43:45.the new gadget. Just tell us where you are from. I am from Stirling.

:43:46. > :43:49.You know there was perhaps a more important event taking place

:43:50. > :43:55.overnight in Scotland, how do you feel about the outcome?

:43:56. > :44:02.I am pleased for the vote because I am a no-photo. But half the country

:44:03. > :44:09.has not got their own way, so hopefully we can get back together

:44:10. > :44:13.and get on with life. -- voter. I am happy with the way things are right

:44:14. > :44:17.now but we will see in the future. Let's have a word with you. You were

:44:18. > :44:30.queueing, desperate to get your hands on the new iPhone macro. --

:44:31. > :44:38.iPhone. I was up watching events on the BBC and now I am down here. I

:44:39. > :44:44.voted before I came. I see the outcome as a victory for the workers

:44:45. > :44:51.here. I think the turnout shows people are passionate about how they

:44:52. > :44:57.feel and we can't ignore it because the vote was pretty split. I have to

:44:58. > :45:00.ask you in terms of the future, do you think the Westminster government

:45:01. > :45:05.will give Scotland what it wants? More powers, for example? I

:45:06. > :45:11.absolutely do think that. I don't think we can ignore the 1.5 million

:45:12. > :45:14.who came out asking for independence. And I really believe

:45:15. > :45:19.we will get the powers we need. People will want to know away from

:45:20. > :45:26.the referendum, why are you queueing to get your hands on an iPhone 6? It

:45:27. > :45:36.is quality! I lost the here to collect it! -- I must be here. What

:45:37. > :45:44.about you? I told my wife that if the vote went the right way, I would

:45:45. > :45:47.get her an iPhone! Probably half the country are a bit grumpy this

:45:48. > :45:53.morning, waking up with the vote not on their way!

:45:54. > :45:58.Now, before you think we have become part of Tim Coutts' advertising

:45:59. > :46:03.strategy, we should remind you other communications products are

:46:04. > :46:12.available! What you think overall? I use a prized by this? No. I actually

:46:13. > :46:22.called the result two months ago and called it 36-54 -- 46-54. I didn't

:46:23. > :46:26.buy it because it involved people voting where there had not been

:46:27. > :46:36.political organisation and made mobilisation for generations in

:46:37. > :46:41.terms of the turnout. Interesting that the turnout wasn't as high in

:46:42. > :46:50.Glasgow as people were expecting? It is the lowest in all Scotland but it

:46:51. > :46:57.comes from a 41% turnout in 2011. This is quite good to good for

:46:58. > :47:02.Glasgow standards. But also the hope of the Yes campaign was that if they

:47:03. > :47:06.could get these people who don't usually vote, they would vote yes.

:47:07. > :47:13.That belief doesn't seem to have been very well founded. Yes, and we

:47:14. > :47:15.have contradictory evidence on that. What we did know, and I commissioned

:47:16. > :47:24.the research on this with Ipsos MORI, we knew that missing Scotland

:47:25. > :47:28.saw the referendum differently and that group despise politicians and

:47:29. > :47:33.the political class and things the right political judgement is not to

:47:34. > :47:36.vote, and we can all understand and see the reasons for that, but they

:47:37. > :47:40.judged the referendum is different. They had a stake in the referendum.

:47:41. > :47:45.And we didn't ask them whether they were going to vote yes or no. I was

:47:46. > :47:56.took the view that the democratic moment of this was much or as much

:47:57. > :48:02.important as yes /no. It is a huge, huge moment and it has left a

:48:03. > :48:06.political challenge for the parties who have left these people behind.

:48:07. > :48:11.I'm curious as to what you would do if you were running... We have David

:48:12. > :48:14.Cameron saying, we hear you. He is making Walsall 's commitments about

:48:15. > :48:19.more powers to the Scottish Parliament. If you were Alex

:48:20. > :48:23.Salmond, you want to be in those discussions. -- making all sorts of

:48:24. > :48:29.commitments. Would you be saying, I want to do this, that and the other?

:48:30. > :48:32.Not entirely. I think the SNP and Alex Salmond have to be receptive to

:48:33. > :48:36.what the Scottish people might want. We don't know what the Scottish

:48:37. > :48:41.people want. That is the first problem. And secondly, the thing is

:48:42. > :48:46.to really call upon the Unionist parties to deliver. And say, well,

:48:47. > :48:50.what are these powers? And be willing to co-operate with them.

:48:51. > :48:53.Wouldn't you want to be Justin there to be part of the discussion?

:48:54. > :48:58.Because the danger for the SNP is that this is what will happen next,

:48:59. > :49:02.and, again, the SNP would not have been part of the process? The

:49:03. > :49:06.problem for the SNP is, can it be seen not to be involved in the

:49:07. > :49:14.discussion? But within those discussions, you can adopt an active

:49:15. > :49:16.or passive position. And I would have adopted a passive position,

:49:17. > :49:18.just saying, well, independence is not on the agenda and the Scottish

:49:19. > :49:23.people have decided that for the time being. We are open to

:49:24. > :49:26.suggestions for real powers. And then I would have specified the

:49:27. > :49:30.economic aspect and pushed the challenge back to the Unionist

:49:31. > :49:40.parties. They made the vowel and the promises -- they made The Vow and

:49:41. > :49:45.the promises, and it is now time to move into the attack. That is a

:49:46. > :49:54.tactical issue. One thing that Alex Salmond has is great tactical

:49:55. > :50:00.Knauss. -- tactical moves. It will be interesting to see which way the

:50:01. > :50:06.Scottish Government turns. I shall be an interested observer. So, Alex

:50:07. > :50:12.Salmond, good tactician, lousy strategist! I never said that! That

:50:13. > :50:17.is the implication. I have let you say that and I will have to deny it

:50:18. > :50:22.completely! I am curious as to what you make of some other things about

:50:23. > :50:26.Labour. It is all very well going for more powers but isn't the

:50:27. > :50:31.message of this that Labour has not managed to, if you like, break from

:50:32. > :50:34.nationalism? It has not managed to tell its own traditional supporters

:50:35. > :50:38.a story about deprivation and poverty which breaks out of this

:50:39. > :50:43.whole human about powers of the Scottish Parliament and is actually

:50:44. > :50:49.a story about being part of Britain? I thought you got onto a very

:50:50. > :50:57.interesting to rain there, Henry. He used the phrase "missing story".

:50:58. > :51:02.That is very apt. They have not managed to come together to get that

:51:03. > :51:07.intelligence into a coherent strategy and Labour have missed a

:51:08. > :51:11.strategy on this. Ever since the SNP became a permanent force in Scottish

:51:12. > :51:15.politics, really. You could see Gordon Brown in that speech he made

:51:16. > :51:18.the other day was trying to formulate this, but it does seem

:51:19. > :51:24.rather extraordinary, that, as you say, after years and years, Labour

:51:25. > :51:27.is largely prepared to argue with the Scottish Nationalists on to rain

:51:28. > :51:34.which is staked out by the Nationalists and not Labour? Yes.

:51:35. > :51:37.There are so many strategic mistakes when we are talking about strategy

:51:38. > :51:43.and tactics. What they got the referendum down to, Labour, was two

:51:44. > :51:48.versions of constitutional change. That could have worked for yes

:51:49. > :51:51.because it made all could have made the argument that this was the

:51:52. > :51:54.clearer line and strategy for change. There is an obviously the

:51:55. > :52:02.macro strategy on this question, which is to say, the UK is broken

:52:03. > :52:11.and Scotland as a battering ram. -- there is an obviously Labour

:52:12. > :52:17.strategy. Obviously large parts of them detest the nationals and that

:52:18. > :52:24.works against their own judgement. And also it was Labour in the 1980s

:52:25. > :52:28.and 90s which posed as the party of Scotland which would protect

:52:29. > :52:36.Scotland against the nasty Tories. Yes. And the SNP were able to step

:52:37. > :52:43.into their shoes and say, hey, folks, we are the general article!

:52:44. > :52:48.Exactly. There was always a danger. What it created was a popular front

:52:49. > :52:52.of the mind of the Labour SNP and the Lib Dems and post the national

:52:53. > :52:58.question, and that combined with the fact that Labour did not have a

:52:59. > :53:02.social justice strategy, Labour did not know what to do with it and did

:53:03. > :53:07.not have intelligence beyond, basically, it was going to kill the

:53:08. > :53:11.national stone dead, which is actually a ridiculous argument. So

:53:12. > :53:16.where do we go from here? You see, the danger for Labour is this. The

:53:17. > :53:23.next thing that happens if the general. They do very well. -- the

:53:24. > :53:28.next thing that happens is the general election. May 2016 it will

:53:29. > :53:33.be the Scottish elections. They know the SNP reach their maximum support

:53:34. > :53:39.so they can afford to be complacent. That is right, and we have already

:53:40. > :53:44.been here before. In 2010, Labour won well. They pulled over 1 million

:53:45. > :53:47.votes and then miss read and overinterpreted that result and

:53:48. > :53:55.played the same strategy into 2011. -- mis-read. There was the 16 point

:53:56. > :54:00.lead and the SNP landslide. It might not be the same landslide but they

:54:01. > :54:05.cannot over read 2015 if they win. Thanks for now. Before we get into

:54:06. > :54:13.deep, let's have a look at what has been happening overnight in

:54:14. > :54:28.pictures. Yes, 114,148. No, 139,788. This is

:54:29. > :54:33.the moment when the referendum result was confirmed. 140,000 voters

:54:34. > :54:40.in Fife would take the no support across the finish line with votes

:54:41. > :54:44.still to count. Soon afterwards, the First Minister accepted the result

:54:45. > :54:49.and praise the people of Scotland for an 86% turnout. But he had this

:54:50. > :54:52.message for his Westminster counterparts. On behalf of the

:54:53. > :54:56.Scottish Government, I accept the result and I pledge to work

:54:57. > :55:01.constructively in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the United

:55:02. > :55:08.Kingdom. Secondly, the Unionist parties made vows late in the

:55:09. > :55:18.campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these

:55:19. > :55:21.to be honoured in rapid course. The Prime Minister went further,

:55:22. > :55:25.announcing powers being devolved to all four nations on the same

:55:26. > :55:30.timescale to that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who

:55:31. > :55:33.so successfully led Glasgow's, wealth games, has agreed to oversee

:55:34. > :55:38.the process to take forward these devolution commitments with powers

:55:39. > :55:42.over tax, spending and welfare all agreed by November and draft

:55:43. > :55:49.legislation published by January. -- so successfully led Glasgow's

:55:50. > :55:53.Commonwealth Games. It follows that the people of England, Wales and

:55:54. > :56:00.Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over their powers. This had been

:56:01. > :56:05.a long night and it would be several hours before the picture would

:56:06. > :56:14.become clear. The first result came in at 1:30am, with somebody clearly

:56:15. > :56:23.keen to hear the results by phone. Yes, 16,350. No, 19,000...

:56:24. > :56:30.CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19,036. The people of

:56:31. > :56:36.Clackmannanshire voted no. 54% of them, in fact, setting the tone for

:56:37. > :56:39.the night. At the Better Together campaign headquarters, the mood was

:56:40. > :56:44.buoyant. No knowledge of what was to come confidence nonetheless. To

:56:45. > :56:49.those who have supported us and all that great team of volunteers,

:56:50. > :56:59.that's you... CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

:57:00. > :57:02.All of you, all the political parties who have worked for this

:57:03. > :57:08.outcome, I want to say thanks from the bottom of my heart. Thank you

:57:09. > :57:12.very much. The independence referendum in the

:57:13. > :57:16.Orkney islands... Amongst the first to declare where the islands, with

:57:17. > :57:22.the first result coming in Gaelic. SPEAKS IN GAELIC

:57:23. > :57:24.The language might have been different but the result was the

:57:25. > :57:32.same. Still nothing for the yes side. The

:57:33. > :57:39.campaign chairman appeared disappointed. Hundreds were in

:57:40. > :57:46.George Square to mark an important day in Scotland's history. The

:57:47. > :57:51.spirits here were nothing but high. Dundee was the first to go to yes.

:57:52. > :57:56.It was decisive and made the race neck and neck. And then the biggest

:57:57. > :58:02.moment of the night, when yes took the lead. For a full five minutes,

:58:03. > :58:07.the glum faces were gone and it was high fives all around. The guest

:58:08. > :58:26.count stood at 50.2% of those counted. -- the yes count. But then

:58:27. > :58:35.it would crumble. No, 52,000... No, 72,039. I think there are two clear

:58:36. > :58:39.messages coming out of it. Firstly, it suggests people in Scotland have

:58:40. > :58:44.found their voice, and secondly, with over 1 million people voting at

:58:45. > :58:47.this stage for independence, many of those who will have voted no to

:58:48. > :58:50.independence because they believe that would deliver substantially

:58:51. > :58:56.more powers to the Scottish Parliament, there is a big appetite

:58:57. > :58:59.for substantial change. The 32 camps went off almost flawlessly, except

:59:00. > :59:07.in Dundee, where a firearm twice forced the evacuation of accounting

:59:08. > :59:20.wall. A few diligent police officers guarded the ballot papers until the

:59:21. > :59:29.counters returned. The result of the vote regarding should Scotland be an

:59:30. > :59:38.independent country is no. For some, it was proving to be just too much.

:59:39. > :59:41.Shortly after 5am, the BBC called the referendum with the people of

:59:42. > :59:51.Scotland rejecting independence. It is the end of chapter one but the

:59:52. > :00:04.full is Tory is still to be written. -- full story.

:00:05. > :00:13.It is 11 o'clock, we are on air all morning! Scotland has voted no, I'm

:00:14. > :00:17.joined by politicians and commentators, and Tim will be with

:00:18. > :00:21.us throughout, reading the runes on how we voted, and what it tells us

:00:22. > :00:26.about Scotland on September the 19th. For the moment, we are joined

:00:27. > :00:30.by Andy Martin, who is at Stormont. Of course, Northern Ireland is a

:00:31. > :00:33.place which has been watching the results overnight with almost as

:00:34. > :00:40.much attention as people in Scotland. What is the reaction

:00:41. > :00:44.there, Andy? Well, unionists, Andy, and the business community broadly

:00:45. > :00:48.are very happy at the result, certainly business leaders point out

:00:49. > :00:52.that there is about ?700 million worth of trade between Northern

:00:53. > :00:55.Ireland and Scotland in terms of manufacturing here. However, I think

:00:56. > :01:02.he was old, whatever way it had gone, would cause some problems for

:01:03. > :01:07.Northern Ireland. -- I think the result. It could be argued that the

:01:08. > :01:10.Executive at Stormont doesn't really need more power, because it is

:01:11. > :01:16.having difficulty dealing with the devolved powers that it has already.

:01:17. > :01:19.There is a crisis looming here to do with welfare reform passed on from

:01:20. > :01:22.the Treasury, the cuts that are meant to be made to the welfare

:01:23. > :01:28.budget. They can't agree, the two main parties, the DUP, to the right

:01:29. > :01:33.of centre, and an extreme Unionist party, and Sinn Fein, the left of

:01:34. > :01:36.centre nationalists party, do not see eye to eye on the issue. Sinn

:01:37. > :01:41.Fein does not want to implement welfare cuts, the DUP, which is

:01:42. > :01:45.responsible for operating the finance ministry, as to make the

:01:46. > :01:50.balance, has to make the budget balance. As a result of that, we are

:01:51. > :01:54.looking at ?84 million without cuts, for the money they have not

:01:55. > :02:00.deducted from welfare this year. And then another ?140 million next year.

:02:01. > :02:03.So there is this difficulty, a crisis looming at Stormont in any

:02:04. > :02:08.case. It could be argued that if more powers are to be devolved to

:02:09. > :02:11.Northern Ireland, that it could cause increasing acrimony between

:02:12. > :02:15.the parties that do not see eye to eye in any case. It is not

:02:16. > :02:18.necessarily the case that devolving more powers to Northern Ireland is a

:02:19. > :02:28.good thing. Thank you very much for now. We are... Oh, no, I thought we

:02:29. > :02:32.were going to Wales, we are going to Gerry Hassan instead. That is one

:02:33. > :02:38.thing we have not seen yet, isn't it? Reaction from Wales and Northern

:02:39. > :02:43.Ireland, because the reactions there are not straightforward. No, they

:02:44. > :02:48.are not. There was an element of anxiety in Northern Irish and Welsh

:02:49. > :02:53.political classes about the issue of Scottish independence, but they see

:02:54. > :02:58.this evolving asymmetrical Union which will have opportunities for

:02:59. > :03:03.them. It is early in the day for asymmetrical unionism! I am sorry, I

:03:04. > :03:10.have been up all night. Hang on, we are going to Carwyn Jones.

:03:11. > :03:15.For more than two years now, it would draw up a future settlement

:03:16. > :03:18.which reflect the aspirations of all of the UK's constituent parts. I

:03:19. > :03:23.haven't altered my view that the Prime Minister was wrong not to have

:03:24. > :03:26.undertaken this well before now. Indeed, his experiences over the

:03:27. > :03:32.past few weeks they have given him pause for thought. He has said that,

:03:33. > :03:36.in the last week, that he views the UK as being part of a family. Well,

:03:37. > :03:42.unlike the unilateral deal that he did with Scotland when it came to

:03:43. > :03:45.holding the referendum, despite the impact of a potential yes vote on

:03:46. > :03:50.the people of Wales and Northern Ireland, he needs to get us all

:03:51. > :03:55.around the table, the people of all of these four nations must have a

:03:56. > :03:59.seat at that table. It is time for our constitution to be put on a

:04:00. > :04:03.coherent footing, no more tinkering at the edges year after year. The UK

:04:04. > :04:08.has suffered a serious injury, and a sticking plaster will not do. Sudden

:04:09. > :04:13.declarations of English votes for English laws is an example of that

:04:14. > :04:19.sticking plaster. The old Union is dead. We need to forge a new Union.

:04:20. > :04:24.The noble committees, no more messing about, no more panicky

:04:25. > :04:27.deals. -- but no more committees. It is time for us all to work this

:04:28. > :04:34.through for the benefit of all of us. I think the UK Government, who

:04:35. > :04:36.until recently had scant regard for devolution, underestimated how broad

:04:37. > :04:41.the constitutional debate would become at the beginning of the

:04:42. > :04:46.referendum campaign. Wales cannot and will not play second fiddle as

:04:47. > :04:51.we work up a new institutional framework. Because the people of

:04:52. > :04:54.Wales, regardless of where they were born, what language they speak,

:04:55. > :04:59.their religion or the colour of the skin, are part of the nation of

:05:00. > :05:01.Wales, and they deserve an equal voice with other nations in

:05:02. > :05:07.discussions about the future structure of the UK. Scotland and

:05:08. > :05:10.Northern Ireland are, of course, very much part of the process, and I

:05:11. > :05:15.look forward to having an early meeting with Alex Salmond and Peter

:05:16. > :05:20.Robinson. It is time to recognise that devolution is an established

:05:21. > :05:28.part of our constitution and needs to be guaranteed, as Gordon Brown

:05:29. > :05:33.has said. Let me turn to funding. Wales's underfunding must be

:05:34. > :05:38.addressed. We are underfunded to the tune of ?300 million per year, money

:05:39. > :05:44.that could be spent on our NHS and on education in Wales. The people of

:05:45. > :05:47.Wales, through their work in coal, steel, tin plate and slate

:05:48. > :05:51.industries, contributed mightily to the prosperity of the UK. It is

:05:52. > :05:57.perfectly reasonable that we should now expect a fair share of the pot.

:05:58. > :06:06.So there is lots to be discussed. We need to start these talks now. The

:06:07. > :06:14.establishment almost lost the Union. The people of these nations

:06:15. > :06:20.must now rebuild it. With that, I will now take some questions. First

:06:21. > :06:23.Minister, Sky News, it has been described that Wales has been a

:06:24. > :06:26.spectator nation through these process, that partly through the

:06:27. > :06:30.fault of politicians such as yourself? Not at all. It is fair to

:06:31. > :06:35.say there is an obsession with Scotland in the media, but there we

:06:36. > :06:38.are. Scotland has been a topic discussed for some time. I first

:06:39. > :06:42.called for a constitutional convention in Dublin castle, of all

:06:43. > :06:46.places, more than two years ago. I saw there was a need to look at the

:06:47. > :06:52.future structure of the UK in the round. Nobody at the time

:06:53. > :06:57.supported... Well, Tom Greatrex, the Labour MP, has joined us while that

:06:58. > :07:01.has been going on. Let me ask you a question about Wales. You heard what

:07:02. > :07:07.Carwyn Jones said about money, and one of the points that the Welsh

:07:08. > :07:11.make is this, look, part of the debate in Scotland has been that the

:07:12. > :07:15.Barnett formula is now, you know, set in stone as this almost sacred

:07:16. > :07:19.thing that can never be altered, but of course the Welsh feel they lose

:07:20. > :07:24.out from it. They don't want it to stay, they feel, as they said, that

:07:25. > :07:29.they are completely underfunded. There is a conflict of interest

:07:30. > :07:35.there between Scotland and Wales, even though you are both Labour.

:07:36. > :07:39.There are a series of conflicts of interest in this debate, and that is

:07:40. > :07:43.why I have a lot of sympathy for the points that Carwyn Jones was making

:07:44. > :07:47.around the need to look at the wider constitutional issues across the

:07:48. > :07:51.piece. Because he made the point that, where we are now is somewhere

:07:52. > :07:57.weather is significant change that is going to have to happen. No-one

:07:58. > :08:02.else will remember Gordon talking to you on one of your previous lives

:08:03. > :08:05.about a year ago, actually, talking about devolution and

:08:06. > :08:11.decentralisation as a principle within our political structure which

:08:12. > :08:14.cannot always be, and it cannot be any more, that people talk about

:08:15. > :08:21.devolution is some kind of sop to try to buy off the demand is for

:08:22. > :08:23.nationalism or independence. It has actually got to be properly embedded

:08:24. > :08:32.in the way our politics works, and that is an issue in England, as

:08:33. > :08:35.Wales as in Scotland, and I spend much of my time in different parts

:08:36. > :08:39.of England, and it should not be a surprise that the dissatisfaction

:08:40. > :08:43.with the over centralisation in England is as much of an issue in

:08:44. > :08:48.places like Sheffield, places like Manchester, and in Cornwall,

:08:49. > :08:52.Bristol, across almost all of everywhere apart from the south-east

:08:53. > :08:56.corner of England. It is a big issue to properly address. It is all very

:08:57. > :09:00.well for David Cameron and everyone else to suddenly be talking about

:09:01. > :09:04.more devolution, and I think David Cameron talked about the cities in

:09:05. > :09:08.England as well, but a lot of people in England will say, hang on a

:09:09. > :09:12.minute, this is what Blair and Prescott were on about, and when we

:09:13. > :09:16.were given the choice for more devolution, we voted against it, we

:09:17. > :09:20.are not interested. Why should we suddenly get interested in a federal

:09:21. > :09:25.UK just because Scotland once more devolution? They respect the

:09:26. > :09:28.decision but don't force us to be interested in something we don't

:09:29. > :09:31.care about. I think you will find, if you go back to people not just in

:09:32. > :09:36.the north-east of England, but across different parts of England,

:09:37. > :09:40.as well as in Wales and Northern Ireland, you will find the attitude

:09:41. > :09:44.that there was in 1999-2000, when that referendum in the north-east

:09:45. > :09:50.happened, is very different now to the need now for real devolution

:09:51. > :09:54.within those areas. Now, what part of that result, going back in

:09:55. > :09:57.history, I think it was about a feeling that people did not want

:09:58. > :10:00.another tier of politics necessarily, but that is very

:10:01. > :10:04.different from decentralising power, and that is something which, for a

:10:05. > :10:10.whole range of reasons, needs to happen now or in the experience. And

:10:11. > :10:14.other things have happened in the time between then and now, you know,

:10:15. > :10:18.in terms of the way in which people are able to do things, technological

:10:19. > :10:23.improvements which make it more possible and practical, and that is

:10:24. > :10:26.where the debate has to get to, as soon as we can, because devolution

:10:27. > :10:31.and decentralisation needs to be a core part of our evolving

:10:32. > :10:36.constitution, and if it is not, if I can make this point, what we have

:10:37. > :10:40.seen over the course of the last 24-48 hours in Scotland is go to be

:10:41. > :10:44.more of an issue everywhere else as well, because the dissatisfaction

:10:45. > :10:47.with an overcentralised state is there across all parts of the UK.

:10:48. > :10:55.Jerry, Carwyn Jones doesn't mince his words, does he? The

:10:56. > :10:58.establishment almost lost the Union. Is a great sound bite, he is

:10:59. > :11:03.absolute right, and Tom makes a number of good points as well. This

:11:04. > :11:07.is not just a constitutional moment of crisis, there is something that

:11:08. > :11:10.Tom was getting too about how Westminster and the British state do

:11:11. > :11:14.not nurture and support and look after the working people of all

:11:15. > :11:17.Britain. You have to marry constitutional change to economic

:11:18. > :11:23.and social change, and that is a big set of this use. It is not just

:11:24. > :11:28.about federalism, it is the uneven development of England, the UK, the

:11:29. > :11:32.north-east, the Northwest, no political voice in the corridors of

:11:33. > :11:36.power. They are sidelined. That is not just about the coalition, these

:11:37. > :11:40.are long-term changes, capital in British society, tough for

:11:41. > :11:44.progressive politics to address. Let's get your reaction to something

:11:45. > :11:48.that we were discussing earlier, we were discussing it with Henry

:11:49. > :11:51.McLeish, and that is that one of the striking things about this is that

:11:52. > :11:58.most of the traditional working class Labour areas in Scotland voted

:11:59. > :12:01.yes, and what Labour has not managed to do is develop pain nonnationals

:12:02. > :12:09.way of talking about issues like poverty and deprivation. -- to

:12:10. > :12:14.develop a non-nationalised way. You need to punch through that, don't

:12:15. > :12:19.you? In a way that argued Lee Gordon Brown has been trying to do. The

:12:20. > :12:26.point I was time to make before... -- arguably. We have a result on the

:12:27. > :12:30.referendum, and it has to be about the way in which we don't see and

:12:31. > :12:33.cannot see and cannot carry on seeing devolution as something to

:12:34. > :12:41.sort of by nationalism. That has been a big error... Fine, more

:12:42. > :12:50.evolution, you can encode that into your central policies, --

:12:51. > :12:54.devolution. But the Nationalists have managed to convince, in your

:12:55. > :12:59.core areas, people who are less well off that independence was the way to

:13:00. > :13:03.get the establishment to cater to their concerns. You have not managed

:13:04. > :13:07.to develop a narrative, as Labour, which says, no, this is about

:13:08. > :13:11.everyone in Britain pulling together, working people and all the

:13:12. > :13:17.rest of it. You have failed in that. The experience in my own area,

:13:18. > :13:20.South Lanarkshire, as an example, we note... All you have to do was walk

:13:21. > :13:24.over the border into North Lanarkshire and you would know what

:13:25. > :13:29.I mean! The result in South Lanarkshire almost mirrors the

:13:30. > :13:33.national result, and it is a very mixed area, urban and rural areas,

:13:34. > :13:39.some affluent parts, some significant areas of deprivation.

:13:40. > :13:47.But the extent to which people who would identify themselves previously

:13:48. > :13:50.as Labour voters voting yes was not as far as it was necessarily

:13:51. > :13:55.portrayed in some of the debate running up to the referendum.

:13:56. > :14:05.It is hard to tell the figure. But I know from talking to voters in my

:14:06. > :14:11.questions, when I have been out campaigning, it was not as clear cut

:14:12. > :14:15.as Labour voters voting "yes" and people voting SNP in 2011, to be an

:14:16. > :14:21.anti-Labour alternative voting no. It was not that clear. But what came

:14:22. > :14:25.across clearly from the traditional Labour voters, is that this is

:14:26. > :14:30.almost a last chance. We have to properly deal with the issues.

:14:31. > :14:35.The last chance for Labour? The last chance for us to deal with how we

:14:36. > :14:40.want Scotland to be in the future. How we want devolution to work, from

:14:41. > :14:43.Edinburgh as well a to Edinburgh. That is something that we have to

:14:44. > :14:50.address. What do you mean the last chance?

:14:51. > :14:57.Because people, enough people were not convinced of the case... A last

:14:58. > :15:03.chance for Labour to finish... The commitments made in relation to

:15:04. > :15:08.devolution during the course of the campaign must be delivered, a wider

:15:09. > :15:12.and further devolution centralisation of power in the UK,

:15:13. > :15:15.or we will be having people looking at the UK and saying that this does

:15:16. > :15:19.not work anymore. Thank you very much.

:15:20. > :15:23.David Porter, I hope it is warm there. You seem to have been

:15:24. > :15:28.standing there for several days. What is happening? I am a trooper. I

:15:29. > :15:34.have been on guard at Downing Street. It is a lot calmer outside

:15:35. > :15:37.and inside than it was overnight. And certainly as it was first thing

:15:38. > :15:41.this morning. Downing Street would like to get on with the process of

:15:42. > :15:46.politics, and say it is business as usual. But I was interested in the

:15:47. > :15:50.comments from Carwyn Jones in Wales. If Downing Street were hoping to say

:15:51. > :15:54.that Scotland is sorted out, that we will have a commission to talk about

:15:55. > :15:57.devolution in the future, they will be disappointed. It is obvious

:15:58. > :16:05.coming from Wales and from Northern Ireland as well, that there is a

:16:06. > :16:08.view that basically the genie is out of the bottle. There will be more

:16:09. > :16:13.devolution throughout the United Kingdom. And the local authorities

:16:14. > :16:17.in England have put out a statement, saying that this is a great

:16:18. > :16:21.opportunity. Some of the great cities in England, Liverpools, the

:16:22. > :16:26.Manchesters, the Bristols, the Birminghams, are now saying that if

:16:27. > :16:30.Scotland is going to get more powers, more power over taxation,

:16:31. > :16:34.benefits, that sort of thing, that they would like to see more

:16:35. > :16:37.devolution as well. It is all calm here at Downing Street at the moment

:16:38. > :16:41.but I think over the days and the weeks to come, there is no doubt

:16:42. > :16:45.that this debate is going to carry on. The problem for the coalition

:16:46. > :16:49.government is that basically they have very little time in which to

:16:50. > :16:53.get things moving. They say that they are having a commission, that

:16:54. > :16:56.they will have draft legislation, that will not get through before the

:16:57. > :17:01.general election. There is not the time. Let alone to get it through

:17:02. > :17:08.the Commons. Think how the House of Lords would look at that. So the

:17:09. > :17:13.next UK Government in residence behind me in May 2015, a big thing

:17:14. > :17:17.in the in-tray is to sort out the devolution, to get the proposals

:17:18. > :17:23.through. It will not be easy it will not be sorted soon.

:17:24. > :17:28.David, thank you. We are going to be joined now by Chris Morris.

:17:29. > :17:34.Chris Morris, has there been reaction where you are? Yes, there

:17:35. > :17:41.has. I guess, if you wanted to use a word it is probably "relief" they

:17:42. > :17:44.may not put it that way themselves in Brussels but we have had

:17:45. > :17:48.statements from the European Commission and the something of

:17:49. > :17:56.NATO, welcoming the fact that Scotland has decided to stay with

:17:57. > :18:00.the United Kingdom. Bars bars bars, the President of -- Jose Manuel

:18:01. > :18:06.Durao Barroso has said that the "no" vote is better for a united and a

:18:07. > :18:10.stronger Europe. And taking into the fact that the Scottish government

:18:11. > :18:13.argued for a pro-European perspective, the statement said that

:18:14. > :18:17.they would continue to work with the Scottish government closely on the

:18:18. > :18:20.issues with which it is concerned. The statement mentioned the

:18:21. > :18:26.environment, climate change, martyr regulation. So I think that a bit of

:18:27. > :18:32.a sigh of relief overall. The independence of Scotland, thes is

:18:33. > :18:40.eggs of part of an existence of member state would have raised a

:18:41. > :18:45.whole host of questions that many here in Brussels and other parts of

:18:46. > :18:52.Europe would not like to address. It is partly where the European

:18:53. > :18:58.Unions are based but Belgium, itself, has got tendency to

:18:59. > :19:05.splitting up. I wonder if there has been reaction from Belgium

:19:06. > :19:10.politicians as opposed to EU ones? Last night, the Flemish separatists

:19:11. > :19:14.were demonstrating in favour of a "yes" in Brussels as the counting

:19:15. > :19:19.began. They will be disappointed. But the one reaction that I have

:19:20. > :19:22.seen from a Flemish separatist party was along the lines from what I have

:19:23. > :19:27.seen from the Catalan Government in Spain. That is the fact that of

:19:28. > :19:31.holding the referendum is for them significant. The fact that there can

:19:32. > :19:35.be a constitutional route, a peaceful route to decide the

:19:36. > :19:39.questions. Obviously governments tend to prefer

:19:40. > :19:42.the status quo. I think what happened last night, while there may

:19:43. > :19:47.be those across Europe who would have liked to have seen a "yes", the

:19:48. > :19:52.fact that the process took place has given some people who favour a

:19:53. > :19:54.different form of government in other European countries, a

:19:55. > :20:12.considerable degree of hope, I think.

:20:13. > :20:14.In the referendum campaign, there were interventions from the

:20:15. > :20:18.Australian Prime Minister, President Obama, saying that they wanted the

:20:19. > :20:22.UK to stick together. Iram sure that with will hear from the White House

:20:23. > :20:26.at some point. It is interesting that the Foreign Minister for the

:20:27. > :20:31.Catalan government has said that the referendum has been a success for

:20:32. > :20:34.the democratic process. The Spanish Prime Minister, I don't know if

:20:35. > :20:38.Chris was talking about it there, obviously welcoming the result of

:20:39. > :20:43.the referendum. And they have clearly some difficulties with the

:20:44. > :20:49.Catalan government which today is announcing or expecting to announce

:20:50. > :20:55.a nonbinding referendum on their separatist hopes. And that would

:20:56. > :21:00.obviously cause problems for Spain. Angela Merkel's spokesperson said

:21:01. > :21:06.that it was an impressive turnout, and welcoming the decision Scotland

:21:07. > :21:11.to stay in the UK and saying that they want an engaged, strong and

:21:12. > :21:16.unified UK. So clearly relief around Europe and the wider world and the

:21:17. > :21:29.nations that have separatists movements, welcoming the democratic

:21:30. > :21:35.process and hoping it will give them some saga.

:21:36. > :21:41.And is this last chance for theistist party? I thought that was

:21:42. > :21:46.candid and honest and accurate. Obviously we all know one that is

:21:47. > :21:51.significant, the margin of victory which is significant. But I had a

:21:52. > :21:57.hunch that the No campaign would win. But despite the margin they had

:21:58. > :22:03.to throw everything in it to win it. I do think it is a last chance

:22:04. > :22:08.saloon for the union. I think it gives a window for the UK state to

:22:09. > :22:14.show enlightenment towards Scotland and parts of England that don't have

:22:15. > :22:16.power in the centre. There is not support for English regions, English

:22:17. > :22:21.Parliament but something must be done about breaking out the way that

:22:22. > :22:26.the south-east and London crowds out the rest of England. Scotland does

:22:27. > :22:30.well in the UK economically but some things have to happen. I have always

:22:31. > :22:34.said to people that think this is a bit of an unpopular view in

:22:35. > :22:38.Scotland. There is an element of intelligence in the UK state craft,

:22:39. > :22:43.in the TORP and the Labour Party, there is a window for them to reform

:22:44. > :22:49.the union. If not, we will be back with a second referendum. That would

:22:50. > :22:53.be won -- Tory party. Tom, the danger within the Labour

:22:54. > :22:57.Party from your point of view, given what you said, is that it is

:22:58. > :23:01.possible that Labour in Scotland will take the opposite view? The

:23:02. > :23:07.next thing coming up, the general election. Labour does well here. We,

:23:08. > :23:14.there is a temptation to say we always do well, we don't have to

:23:15. > :23:21.change, then may 2016, they did so well the last time, we can afford to

:23:22. > :23:26.be complacent but if you think that is the team tearings, it is a

:23:27. > :23:30.temptation that should be resisted? I think it will be resisted.

:23:31. > :23:34.The exercise that we have been through with the campaign and the

:23:35. > :23:38.referendum have demonstrated with the level of turnout that there is a

:23:39. > :23:43.genuine across the whole of Scotland, an interest in the issues.

:23:44. > :23:48.There are a number of factors that led to the result. But overall,

:23:49. > :23:51.there is a sense, I think, it is mirrored by what you hear from other

:23:52. > :23:55.parts of the UK, that we have to change the way in which the UK

:23:56. > :24:00.works. If the Labour Party in Scotland does not take that on

:24:01. > :24:07.board, I do believe that we will take it on board and address the

:24:08. > :24:10.points. There are challenges. The fundamental basic case from my

:24:11. > :24:15.perspective is to pool and share resources through government policy

:24:16. > :24:23.to be Irael to direct the resources according to -- to be able to direct

:24:24. > :24:27.the resources according to policy and to have more decentralised

:24:28. > :24:32.decision-making. But there are big challenges there.

:24:33. > :24:35.I think that business as usual will be bad for the union and the medium

:24:36. > :24:40.in the long-term. Now, it has been a political

:24:41. > :24:44.campaign of unprecedented proportions, truly a national

:24:45. > :24:50.conversation. The debate has been fierce and passionate. But with a

:24:51. > :24:53.close result predicted, it will mean that a significant number of people

:24:54. > :24:59.will be less disappointed in the morning... I think that somebody

:25:00. > :25:08.wrote this last night! We examine how the two sides can be reconciled

:25:09. > :25:13.now that the test has settled. We are best friends.

:25:14. > :25:35.The debate has been rigorous, rarely rancorous. But a few flash point

:25:36. > :25:45.moments... Am Labour! Jon Prescott was courting Labour voters for the

:25:46. > :25:48.no campaign. Such powerful visitors attracted counterdemonstrations from

:25:49. > :25:53.the opposite side. But with so many people prepared to

:25:54. > :25:57.come out on to the streets to show their support for each camp, will it

:25:58. > :26:04.be possible for the country to come together again now that the result

:26:05. > :26:08.is known? One big name in the campaign, Margot McDonald has not

:26:09. > :26:17.been able to take part personally but the message was taken around the

:26:18. > :26:23.country by her widower. At one minute past 10. Whatever the

:26:24. > :26:30.result, she wanted the divisions to end and the nation to seek a unity

:26:31. > :26:38.of purpose. If Margo could debate without

:26:39. > :26:43.conceding one iota of principle but do so without venom, so can we all.

:26:44. > :26:47.If she could respect the right of the other side to their opinions, so

:26:48. > :26:55.can we all. That's what happened in Quebec in

:26:56. > :27:00.1995. The no side prevailed with a tiny margin, 56%. Just 50,000 votes

:27:01. > :27:06.from an electorate slightly larger than Scotland today. Observers say

:27:07. > :27:11.that despite that, Canada was not rebellious. There was consensus that

:27:12. > :27:16.the referendum had been a vitally important matter.

:27:17. > :27:21.There was a recognition it had been a very bruising experience for the

:27:22. > :27:27.electorate in Quebec. It was a close result but also a result that really

:27:28. > :27:31.mattered. Not a close result on an issue that was unimportant to

:27:32. > :27:35.people. One key battleground has been

:27:36. > :27:39.business and commerce. Business leaders insist that it is

:27:40. > :27:43.uncertainty that they abhore, today there is certainty. The Scottish

:27:44. > :27:46.council for development and industry says that now we know the outcome,

:27:47. > :27:52.Scotland is open for business. . The sooner the Scottish or the

:27:53. > :27:57.Westminster Government can provide real insight, then the sooner that

:27:58. > :28:03.business is reassured and we are able to pass on that reassurance to

:28:04. > :28:07.the workforce, to the investors and importantly to the customers to

:28:08. > :28:10.demonstrate that Scotland remains a very, very good place to do

:28:11. > :28:16.business. The Church of Scotland is holding a

:28:17. > :28:21.reconciliation service at St Gyles cathedral in Edinburgh on Sunday.

:28:22. > :28:24.But the mot rare believes that the conversation will leave the Scots

:28:25. > :28:28.society stronger. The remarkable thing about the

:28:29. > :28:34.campaign has been that so many people have been involved. Not in my

:28:35. > :28:37.lifetime has there been issue over which the civic voice of Scotland

:28:38. > :28:41.has been heard so clearly. When you have a process that generates that

:28:42. > :28:49.much involvement and that much interest, that must be good.

:28:50. > :28:53.But what we need after the referendum is the same amount of

:28:54. > :28:59.civic involvement but all on the same side.

:29:00. > :29:05.With a heavy turnout, it is inevitable many people will be

:29:06. > :29:08.disappointed today. How that is managed holds the key to the future

:29:09. > :29:16.for all of Scotland. Let's go back over to Andrew, in

:29:17. > :29:19.Hollywood. You are in a bubble, outside the building, aren't you?

:29:20. > :29:26.You said earlier you were in and out, which seemed deeply mystical

:29:27. > :29:31.and significant? We are calling this the Holyrood bubble. We are just

:29:32. > :29:34.outside the Scottish Parliament, in the media village, surrounded by

:29:35. > :29:39.journalists is from all across the world. They are talking into their

:29:40. > :29:44.cameras with the latest news from here. We are outside the parliament

:29:45. > :29:52.but in doors, thankfully. It is nice and warm. To give us some analysis

:29:53. > :29:55.of the campaign, I am joined by Ian Martin, the political commentator.

:29:56. > :29:59.Thanks for coming to speak to us. Let's track back and look at the

:30:00. > :30:04.campaign, from that famous YouGov Sunday, the famous poll that put the

:30:05. > :30:09.Yes Campaign ahead. We saw the full might of the Westminster machine,

:30:10. > :30:13.didn't we? It gave the Westminster establishment the equivalent of a

:30:14. > :30:16.heart attack, really. In that period, in the run-up to that,

:30:17. > :30:20.things were starting to go wrong for them in focus groups as well. The

:30:21. > :30:24.poll was the thing that really shocked them into action. There was

:30:25. > :30:28.a feeling at that point that momentum is incredibly important in

:30:29. > :30:34.campaigns, it always is. There was a feeling that once they potentially

:30:35. > :30:38.had the momentum the race could run away with itself. That is why you

:30:39. > :30:42.saw this huge effort, Alex Hammond made a great play on the campaign

:30:43. > :30:47.Trail of saying there was some coordinated effort by Whitehall and

:30:48. > :30:51.the British establishment, yes, that was the idea! They were trying to

:30:52. > :30:55.save the United Kingdom and they were convinced it was in serious

:30:56. > :31:01.danger. In that crucial weekend, David Cameron didn't even go to the

:31:02. > :31:05.Braemar games, they thought that him being pictured in tweed alongside

:31:06. > :31:08.the Queen would not portray the right image. They recast how they

:31:09. > :31:13.would portray the running of the campaign. Gordon Brown was brought

:31:14. > :31:16.to the fore, more passion was injected. They scaled up the

:31:17. > :31:23.warnings and the City of London reacted in a way that suggested that

:31:24. > :31:25.the markets were spooked. You are plugged into that business network

:31:26. > :31:29.in London and Scotland, you are saying it was an orchestrated

:31:30. > :31:34.campaign, as the First Minister portrayed it? In some sense? It

:31:35. > :31:40.presents it as somehow being sinister. But businesses with

:31:41. > :31:45.concerns, serious concerns about separation, who I think had been

:31:46. > :31:49.convinced that it was going to be OK, a month ago, Cabinet ministers

:31:50. > :31:54.were walking around at Westminster saying, mistakenly in my view, that

:31:55. > :32:00.they were calmly confident and it all looked OK. I think that YouGov

:32:01. > :32:04.poll, whether it turns out to be rogue or suggested some... That it

:32:05. > :32:12.was adjusting its methodology, we will have to find out what happened,

:32:13. > :32:19.it did energise and panic the No Campaign and produced the most

:32:20. > :32:22.extraordinary final run into a British campaign that I can remember

:32:23. > :32:28.I have ever covered. I think it is a campaign without resident. The

:32:29. > :32:32.strategy was perhaps to cap that momentum of Yes. If the poll had

:32:33. > :32:36.been held the previous Thursday, do you think they might have won? The

:32:37. > :32:42.No Campaign might not have capped the momentum, as they managed to do.

:32:43. > :32:46.It's a good point, if the poll came later in the cycle and they have

:32:47. > :32:49.been left with a few days to organise that kind of response,

:32:50. > :32:56.warning of the dangers and stepping up the offer on a timetable, they

:32:57. > :33:08.have a timetable, I'm not sure what the plan is, but the timetable on

:33:09. > :33:13.more powers, if that have been concertinaed, indeed. We saw Gordon

:33:14. > :33:19.Brown sweeping in in the last few days, why was Alistair Darling not

:33:20. > :33:24.coping? Did they not think he was effective enough? You made that

:33:25. > :33:30.barnstorming speech, did he help sway it? Gordon Brown had a

:33:31. > :33:34.brilliant tale and to the campaign, that was the best speech I have seen

:33:35. > :33:39.him give, he gave the speech of his life. However, let's put this into

:33:40. > :33:45.context, Alistair Darling held together a very difficult, desperate

:33:46. > :33:49.coalition of interests in Better Together. It was a difficult

:33:50. > :33:56.campaign to run. Only someone with his legendary patience could have

:33:57. > :33:59.done that. Gordon Brown could not, he will not even speak to

:34:00. > :34:02.conservatives and he is a very tribal figure, he could not have

:34:03. > :34:06.swept in and run the campaign six months ago or a year ago. They

:34:07. > :34:14.deployed Gordon Brown almost as a preacher at the end come to do his

:34:15. > :34:18.classic Scottish Labour thing. It certainly had an impact. On the

:34:19. > :34:23.other side, we saw how Alex Salmond was very much in the picture in the

:34:24. > :34:28.last couple of weeks of campaigning. Nicola Sturgeon had a very obvious

:34:29. > :34:31.role. Every night, night after night, it was Alex Salmond. Was that

:34:32. > :34:36.the right thing to do? He was always pointing out it was not about him,

:34:37. > :34:39.it was a broader movement, but do you think it was the right thing

:34:40. > :34:43.that he always had the main focus? When the history of this is written,

:34:44. > :34:49.I think it will be regarded as a serious mistake. I think the boost

:34:50. > :34:53.to his confidence, he is never really lacking in self-confidence,

:34:54. > :35:02.but the boost to his confidence when he saw it as him having been allowed

:35:03. > :35:05.to be himself, let Alex the Alex, in the second debate, when he was seen

:35:06. > :35:10.to have eaten Alistair Darling, his tail was up and he was determined to

:35:11. > :35:18.lead from the front. The problem was that it left the Nationalists in the

:35:19. > :35:23.final two weeks looking hubristic. Alex Salmond, just at the point when

:35:24. > :35:26.he needed to be reaching out to the don't knows, those that are

:35:27. > :35:35.unconvinced and might have had feared about independence, he

:35:36. > :35:41.instead presented a very tribal face. I think it was the wrong pitch

:35:42. > :35:47.for the final ten days. He looked increasingly frazzled. I think it

:35:48. > :35:50.was a mistake for the leader of any mainstream political party to

:35:51. > :35:57.describe demonstrations against journalist as a joyous affair. I

:35:58. > :36:02.think he was tired and I think he messed up the final ten days of the

:36:03. > :36:06.campaign. Thank you for your analysis of the last couple of

:36:07. > :36:16.weeks. Hollywood is actually fairly quiet at the moment. I think people

:36:17. > :36:21.are getting some much deserved kip. We are joined by Tom Burridge from

:36:22. > :36:23.central Barcelona. There were high hopes among some Catalan

:36:24. > :36:30.nationalists that Scotland would set a precedent. Presumably they are not

:36:31. > :36:36.terribly happy with the outcome? I think that is fair to say. We are in

:36:37. > :36:41.probably the busiest and noisiest Square in Barcelona. There is a band

:36:42. > :36:44.warming up for a regional festival that is kicking off later today. The

:36:45. > :36:53.building behind me, behind the bus full of tourists is, is the Catalan

:36:54. > :36:55.regional government. The equivalent here of Alex Hammond will be

:36:56. > :37:00.speaking at a press conference within the next half-hour. It will

:37:01. > :37:05.be interesting to get his reaction. Last week in an interview he told me

:37:06. > :37:09.he hoped for a Yes Vote. He did not get that, Scotland did not decide

:37:10. > :37:13.yes. It will be interesting to see how candid he is about his

:37:14. > :37:18.disappointment. I spoke to one of his aides earlier and they were

:37:19. > :37:24.trying to put as positive a spin as you like, from a Catalan

:37:25. > :37:30.perspective. They said it is all about the right to vote in

:37:31. > :37:32.Catalonia. The pro-independence movement and the Catalan government

:37:33. > :37:35.have successfully shifted the debate in those terms. It is much more a

:37:36. > :37:41.debate about whether they should have a referendum or not, rather

:37:42. > :37:44.than a debate about independence. As things stand, the Catalan government

:37:45. > :37:49.still plans to hold a vote on November the 9th. But the Spanish

:37:50. > :37:53.government, like David Cameron, has said you will not be able to have

:37:54. > :38:00.that vote, a vote in Catalonia would be illegal. Is there any sign of any

:38:01. > :38:05.movement? I'm slightly alarmed by what that bus driver is doing behind

:38:06. > :38:08.you! Assuming he does not hit you, could you tell us if there is any

:38:09. > :38:16.sign of movement by the Spanish government on this? Yes, this is a

:38:17. > :38:21.pretty chaotic square. Anyway, we will keep going. The central thing

:38:22. > :38:26.here is, no, I don't think so. In the last week or so, we have seen a

:38:27. > :38:31.ramping up of the language by the Spanish government. The Foreign

:38:32. > :38:35.Minister, earlier in the week, basically said there was no measure

:38:36. > :38:38.beyond the use of the Spanish government in stopping the

:38:39. > :38:42.referendum going ahead. They hinted they might even suspend the powers

:38:43. > :38:46.of the regional government, the government in that building behind

:38:47. > :38:49.me, in order to stop the referendum going ahead. On top of that you have

:38:50. > :38:55.the Spanish Constitutional Court, within the next week or so, expected

:38:56. > :38:59.to rule that a referendum would be illegal. If you look at the letter

:39:00. > :39:03.of the law in the Spanish written constitution, we do not have one in

:39:04. > :39:06.Britain but they do in Spain, if you look at the letter of the law it

:39:07. > :39:09.says a referendum passed to have the approval of the Spanish parliament,

:39:10. > :39:13.the majority of the Spanish parliament, and that is controlled

:39:14. > :39:20.by his party and it's impossible to see that happening. Our hearts were

:39:21. > :39:25.in our mouths there, what's that back and you might be rather

:39:26. > :39:31.surprised by what happened! Tim can tell us more about where Scotland

:39:32. > :39:35.and the UK can go now. Hopefully no buses behind me! A

:39:36. > :39:39.decisive No Vote, and Scotland has rejected the offer of independence

:39:40. > :39:44.and gone instead for beefed up Scottish Parliament. What happens

:39:45. > :39:48.next? Well, supporters of the union say they will transfer more powers

:39:49. > :39:53.to Holyrood, guaranteed, but we don't know exactly which ones. On

:39:54. > :39:58.Tuesday, in a statement branded as the vow, the Prime Minister, his

:39:59. > :40:13.deputy and the Labour Leader all declared:

:40:14. > :40:18.The Scottish leaders of labour, Conservatives and the Liberal

:40:19. > :40:23.Democrats also pledged to support a strong Scottish Parliament in a

:40:24. > :40:26.strong United Kingdom and support the further strengthening of

:40:27. > :40:30.parliament powers. That may have swayed voters to the union and away

:40:31. > :40:34.from independence. We still don't know which powers. The three parties

:40:35. > :40:39.don't agree what they should change and they have each set out ideas.

:40:40. > :40:42.Let's look at Labour. The Scottish Parliament currently has the power

:40:43. > :40:47.to vary the standard rate of them tax by 3p in the pound up or down.

:40:48. > :40:51.It has never been used, but it is there. From April 2016, under

:40:52. > :40:55.legislation already in the pipeline, that will be increased to

:40:56. > :40:59.10p in the pound. Labour says go further, make it 15p in the pound

:41:00. > :41:03.under the control of the Scottish Parliament. Any cut in tax would

:41:04. > :41:08.apply equally to standard and upper rates. There will be a special

:41:09. > :41:10.power... Sorry, the upper rates. They would devolve control of

:41:11. > :41:18.housing benefits and attendance allowance. Let's turn to the

:41:19. > :41:22.Conservatives, the party which historically opposed to devolution

:41:23. > :41:26.now wants to add to Holyrood's powers and go further than Labour.

:41:27. > :41:33.They say keep it simple, give the Scottish Parliament full control of

:41:34. > :41:37.income tax rates. The Tories would also devolve some welfare powers,

:41:38. > :41:42.housing benefit and attendance allowance. How about the Liberal

:41:43. > :41:46.Democrats? They want a federal UK. For now, their plan is for more

:41:47. > :41:50.devolution and is more ambitious than the others. They say devolve

:41:51. > :41:53.income tax, capital gains tax and inheritance tax. They would also

:41:54. > :42:06.allow the Scottish Parliament to spend the proceeds of Scottish

:42:07. > :42:10.corporation tax. They want to share power on issues like benefits. They

:42:11. > :42:13.have signed up to a timetable that begins today, with a White Paper

:42:14. > :42:17.setting out the proposed powers by St Andrews Day, with draft

:42:18. > :42:23.legislation to be published by Burns night in January. Then it would be

:42:24. > :42:29.up to whoever wins next May's general election to pass a new

:42:30. > :42:33.Scotland Act. But many politicians at Westminster are not signed up to

:42:34. > :42:38.new powers and they want an answer to the West Lothian question, and

:42:39. > :42:41.perhaps a ban on Scottish MPs voting on English matters. David Cameron

:42:42. > :42:45.promised the change would come for England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

:42:46. > :42:49.Would that be enough? I suspect not for everyone. Scottish Secretary

:42:50. > :42:53.Alistair Carmichael has proposed a meeting of minds, a conference for a

:42:54. > :42:57.new Scotland within 30 days to help discuss the way forward and heal

:42:58. > :43:01.community divisions. After a pretty divisive campaign, the Church of

:43:02. > :43:05.Scotland is holding a service of reconciliation this Sunday. Leaders

:43:06. > :43:08.from both campaigns have been invited. The big question is, now

:43:09. > :43:13.they have lost the campaign, what happens to the SNP and its

:43:14. > :43:17.leadership? Will Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon remain? You said he

:43:18. > :43:20.would, but will more hardline nationalists seek a scalpel for

:43:21. > :43:23.their loss in the referendum? It might be settled by Scottish

:43:24. > :43:28.voters, but many other questions remain.

:43:29. > :43:34.Margaret Mitchell from the Conservatives has joined us. Look,

:43:35. > :43:40.the tragedy of Scottish conservatism is, and Gordon Wilson accepted this

:43:41. > :43:43.when we were talking about it earlier on, almost to the last man

:43:44. > :43:47.and woman, the Scottish middle classes trooped into the polling

:43:48. > :43:53.booths last night to reject nationalism. Yes, a general

:43:54. > :43:57.election, or his Scottish election, they will trooped into the same

:43:58. > :44:03.polling booths and vote for the SNP, UKIP, Labour, or anybody they

:44:04. > :44:12.can think of other than the Scottish Conservatives? Not all together

:44:13. > :44:18.true. Even the election where play has been made of as only having one

:44:19. > :44:25.MP, you look at the number of votes, 3,000 and 10,000 for the

:44:26. > :44:32.Conservative, 3365 for the Liberal Democrats. We got one MP, they got

:44:33. > :44:36.about 11. There is a sizeable and a meaningful Conservative vote. In the

:44:37. > :44:41.referendum, the traditional Conservative areas held up well. In

:44:42. > :44:45.many ways, perhaps we should have been art lating more the business

:44:46. > :44:50.argument to pay for the fairer Scotland that everyone wants to see.

:44:51. > :44:58.. Money does not grow on trees. You take my point. In many ways Scotland

:44:59. > :45:06.is a naturally Conservative Scotland with a small c but you cannot turn

:45:07. > :45:09.it in a capital C. Many of the areas that could be natural Tory

:45:10. > :45:16.territory, you have nothing? What we are looking at is a new beginning

:45:17. > :45:20.for Scotland today. It is exciting for the Scottish electorate and for

:45:21. > :45:24.the Conservatives too to work positively with other parties and we

:45:25. > :45:30.have worked well with the SNP when they were a minority government. We

:45:31. > :45:33.delivered the small business innocent viceation scheme for

:45:34. > :45:39.example. Drug rehabilitation. And Alex Salmond has been on, I think,

:45:40. > :45:42.in a measured way, saying that he is prepared to now look forward and to

:45:43. > :45:46.do what is in the best interest of Scotland. So I see today as a new

:45:47. > :45:52.dawn. But if it is a new dawn But if it

:45:53. > :45:59.really is a new dawn, I think what you may see is a reemergence of the

:46:00. > :46:04.aringment put forward by people like Margo Fraser, that the Scottish

:46:05. > :46:10.Conservative Party is damaged goods. It would be better to set up a

:46:11. > :46:13.moderate centre-right party without the baggage of the historical

:46:14. > :46:19.Conservatives and it may be able to do things that we have been talking

:46:20. > :46:24.about, in terms of making inroads where a centre-right party should

:46:25. > :46:29.be? Is there an argument for that? We should be looking at the

:46:30. > :46:34.constitutional settlement and ensuring stability within the UK,

:46:35. > :46:38.where all parts of the UK can play a significant part in determining its

:46:39. > :46:45.own future and policies. In other words, I think after the referendum

:46:46. > :46:51.the vote was decisive, no-one can be complacent about it, and rightly,

:46:52. > :46:55.the polls sent tremors and shocks through everyone when they suddenly

:46:56. > :46:58.realised that there was a real prospect of Scotland leaving and all

:46:59. > :47:03.it meant. I think that the focus will be less on party politics in

:47:04. > :47:07.the weeks and the months to come, difficult with the Westminster

:47:08. > :47:11.election but more on how to achieve the best settlement for Scotland,

:47:12. > :47:17.the rest of the UK and keep the stability which the electorate has

:47:18. > :47:23.told us that they want to maintain. Thank you very much Margaret

:47:24. > :47:26.Mitchell. Now to Hywel Griffiths in Cardiff.

:47:27. > :47:31.One of the interesting things that is coming out, we heard it from

:47:32. > :47:37.Carwyn Jones earlier, is the Barnet Formula. It is like a religious text

:47:38. > :47:41.in the way it is treated up here. It benefits Scotland so much. It is

:47:42. > :47:47.seen in Wales, of course, as being something that you would like to

:47:48. > :47:53.amend severely or abolish, so a bit of a contradiction going on there,

:47:54. > :47:58.isn't there? Yes. Sacrosanct in Scotland, sacrilege here. The Barnet

:47:59. > :48:04.Formula, that we have been told by the Welsh Government, must be

:48:05. > :48:08.changed. They say it is outdated. The problem for the Labour's Carwyn

:48:09. > :48:12.Jones, for other leaders here, is that the vow had the words Barnet

:48:13. > :48:16.Formula in the middle of it. The people of Scotland have taken their

:48:17. > :48:20.decision on the basis that the Barnet Formula will stay. So when

:48:21. > :48:25.asked how do you square that circle, he pointed to other pledges in the

:48:26. > :48:30.vow, saying that there would be fair and e-Equitable funding for all of

:48:31. > :48:36.the UK but it is a problem for him, when he have to give up the ghost on

:48:37. > :48:40.that one, I don't know. But it will be difficult for Wales to argue that

:48:41. > :48:45.they need more money from Barnet, when the people from Scotland have

:48:46. > :48:50.taken that decision. I got the impression from Carwyn

:48:51. > :48:53.Jones that he had listened with glee to what David Cameron was saying

:48:54. > :48:58.this morning. I got the sense that the Welsh

:48:59. > :49:01.Parliament or at least, that he thinks, that there was a huge

:49:02. > :49:09.opportunity for Wales here. That everything was wide open again? I

:49:10. > :49:13.think that would be the optimistic take on it. David Cameron when stood

:49:14. > :49:17.in Number Ten saying that Wales should be the centre of the debate,

:49:18. > :49:23.are the words that people here want to hear. But Carwyn Jones went on

:49:24. > :49:28.the attack, he said that the Prime Minister had almost sleep walked

:49:29. > :49:33.into disaster over Scotland. He had ignored calls from Carwyn Jones and

:49:34. > :49:38.others for a full convention on the UK's constitution, and demanded a

:49:39. > :49:43.place at the table. I don't think there is love lost there. When I put

:49:44. > :49:50.it to Carwyn Jones since the result been in, had he spoken to David

:49:51. > :49:58.Cameron, had he received a call? No. Were they making a call? But he did

:49:59. > :50:02.accept that it was a busy day. Now, to Berlin, to Jenny Hill.

:50:03. > :50:09.Jenny, has there been any reaction there to the vote here? Well, yes,

:50:10. > :50:11.in fact in the last few minutes, the Foreign Minister for Germany said

:50:12. > :50:16.that this was a good decision for Scotland. In the words of the

:50:17. > :50:21.government's official spokesperson here, this is the story of the day.

:50:22. > :50:26.That said, the official government response to the decision has been

:50:27. > :50:29.somewhat muted. They commented on the impressive turnout on a clear

:50:30. > :50:33.decision. Behind the scenes, though, it is a different story. Listen to

:50:34. > :50:37.the words of one politician here this morning. She said that this

:50:38. > :50:43.prevents the fragmentation of Europe. She was hugely relieved.

:50:44. > :50:48.That is what has been going on behind the scenes. Ministers were

:50:49. > :50:52.very concerned about a possible UK referendum on EU membership. Their

:50:53. > :50:56.thinking is going along the lines: Scottish voters tend to be more

:50:57. > :51:00.pro-Europe than counterparts in England, without the Scottish

:51:01. > :51:05.voters, what happens in the event of that UK referendum? So behind the

:51:06. > :51:10.scenes is great deal of relief. The referendum has very much caught the

:51:11. > :51:21.imagination, though, of the people living in Germany. The Mel Gibson

:51:22. > :51:26.film, Braveheart is popular here. Many say that the... Sorry, Jenny,

:51:27. > :51:38.we are losing the sound from you. Thank you very much.

:51:39. > :51:45.Now, we have been catching up with a Shetland face, that of Douglas

:51:46. > :51:49.Henshaw. He said he was surprised by the result.

:51:50. > :51:54.If you had asked me about it three weeks ago, I would have said no. But

:51:55. > :51:58.there appears to have been such a surge. It is very difficult.

:51:59. > :52:03.I think it depends on who you are speaking to.

:52:04. > :52:06.If you are speaking to like-minded people, it seems that the swell that

:52:07. > :52:12.you think is going on is perhaps much bigger than it was. I was not

:52:13. > :52:18.talking to farmers on the borders or whatever, I was speaking to a lot of

:52:19. > :52:22.people involved in either the arts or slightly, my friends, most of

:52:23. > :52:27.them, they are left-wing, we were all thinking that maybe, just maybe,

:52:28. > :52:33.we could have pulled it off. Was that central belt Glasgow side?

:52:34. > :52:41.Yes but even old friends in Edinburgh, in Aberdeen... So, no, I

:52:42. > :52:45.expected it to be tighter than that. Now, here is Jeremy vine with a

:52:46. > :52:49.summary of all of the night's statistics. Let's look at the margin

:52:50. > :52:59.of victory. You can see how wide the gap is. The nos on 55%. The yeses on

:53:00. > :53:03.45%. So a 10% point gap. More than the polls were telling us that there

:53:04. > :53:08.would be in the run-up to the voting. The map has been coloured.

:53:09. > :53:13.Here it is, Scotland after the historic referendum. A colour in the

:53:14. > :53:19.areas that voted mainly no are red. And you can see how many there are.

:53:20. > :53:25.In fact just four council areas that went for yes. Glasgow and

:53:26. > :53:29.surrounding and up in the north-east, Dundee in green. Coming

:53:30. > :53:34.back to the wall and the 32 councils in the battleground. Here are the

:53:35. > :53:38.results. You struggle to find the councils that voted yes. They there

:53:39. > :53:43.four of them. The yes vote did win in Glasgow. The biggest council with

:53:44. > :53:48.500,000 people in it and in North Lanarkshire, another big council.

:53:49. > :53:52.But Edinburgh, Fife, South Lanarkshire, the other big councils

:53:53. > :53:59.went no. As did many of the others. In fact, the first results in were

:54:00. > :54:05.the small councils, all going no. It was only Dundee City that said yes.

:54:06. > :54:11.Four in total, then. You see how dramatic the result is when I ice

:54:12. > :54:16.lay the yeses and the noes. Here are the only four yeses down this side.

:54:17. > :54:22.All of the rest are no. Down the wall here, they become more

:54:23. > :54:29.convincing. So the biggest margins on this side, Orkney and Shetland

:54:30. > :54:33.and Scottish Borders and Dumfries and Galloway, in Conservative areas,

:54:34. > :54:39.close to the border with England. They did not want to break up with

:54:40. > :54:44.the UK. So looking at the result, it is certainly decisive, maybe not a

:54:45. > :54:50.whitewash but a definite and a convincing win for the noes.

:54:51. > :54:52.While that was going on, we have been joined by Kenny

:54:53. > :54:57.McAfghanistanily, the Justice Minister. Let me ask you this, I am

:54:58. > :55:01.not clear, what role the Scottish Government would like to play in the

:55:02. > :55:08.measures that David Cameron outlined today? Are you going to, as it were,

:55:09. > :55:16.formally try to be a part of this process? Yes. We have said that we

:55:17. > :55:23.are happy to co-operate. But it is incumbent on David Cameron, not just

:55:24. > :55:26.him but Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg to give us the detail. Our

:55:27. > :55:30.opportunity is to work with them. It may be that we have to challenge

:55:31. > :55:35.them if they are not going far enough. But initially we have to

:55:36. > :55:38.take the spirit... Do you know if the Scottish Government has been

:55:39. > :55:43.approached in a formal sense? Not so far. Things have happened so

:55:44. > :55:47.suddenly with the vow appearing in the front pages. Gordon Brown coming

:55:48. > :55:50.into the fray. So I think that what we do is expect the words from the

:55:51. > :55:54.Prime Minister, that he is looking to engage. We make it clear we are

:55:55. > :55:58.here to support the best interests of the Scottish people. We accept

:55:59. > :56:03.the result of the referendum but it is now up to them to spell out the

:56:04. > :56:07.powers. There is a clear difference between each of the parties that

:56:08. > :56:12.support the union. Thank you very much.

:56:13. > :56:17.We will come back to you, Kenny. For those who missed it, here is a

:56:18. > :56:32.summary of the momentous us events of the last 24 hours.

:56:33. > :57:18.CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. The majority of valid votes cast

:57:19. > :57:24.yesterday by the people of Scotland in response to the referendum

:57:25. > :57:31.question: Should Scotland be an independent country, were in favour

:57:32. > :57:34.of no. Today is a momentous result for

:57:35. > :57:38.Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole. We have

:57:39. > :57:42.reaffirmed all that we have in common and the bonds that tie us

:57:43. > :57:50.together. Let them never be broken. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

:57:51. > :57:56.On behalf of the Scottish Government, I accept the result. The

:57:57. > :58:01.Unionist parties made vows late in the campaign to devolve more powers

:58:02. > :58:04.to Scotland. Scotland will expect these to be

:58:05. > :58:21.honoured in rapid course. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

:58:22. > :59:09.Well, it is midday. Let's pause for a moment and remind ourselves of

:59:10. > :59:14.what happened during the momentous hours of last evening. Perhaps you

:59:15. > :59:17.haven't seen it, perhaps even if you have seen what happened already, you

:59:18. > :59:38.would quite like to see it again. Here is Kevin keen. Yes, 140,178. No

:59:39. > :59:44.139,738. This is the moment when the referendum result was confirmed.

:59:45. > :59:52.140,000 voters in Fife would take the no support beyond the finish

:59:53. > :59:55.line with votes still to count. Soon afterwards, the First Minister

:59:56. > :00:00.accepted the result and praised the people of Scotland for an 86%

:00:01. > :00:04.turnout. But he had this message for his Westminster counterparts. On

:00:05. > :00:08.behalf of the Scottish Government, I accept the result and I pledge to

:00:09. > :00:12.work constructively in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the

:00:13. > :00:21.United Kingdom. Secondly, the Unionist parties made vows late in

:00:22. > :00:24.the campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect

:00:25. > :00:32.these to be honoured in rapid course. The Prime Minister went

:00:33. > :00:35.further, announcing powers being devolved to all four nations on the

:00:36. > :00:42.same timescale to that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin,

:00:43. > :00:46.who so successfully led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, has agreed to

:00:47. > :00:50.oversee the process to take forward these devolution commitments with

:00:51. > :00:54.powers over tax, spending and welfare, all agreed by November and

:00:55. > :00:58.draft legislation published by January. Just as the people of

:00:59. > :01:03.Scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it follows that

:01:04. > :01:08.the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger

:01:09. > :01:13.say over theirs. This had been a long night and it would be several

:01:14. > :01:18.hours before the picture would become clear. The first result came

:01:19. > :01:23.in at 1:30, with someone clearly keen to hear the result by phone.

:01:24. > :01:46.Yes, 16,350. No, 19,000... The people of Clackmannanshire voted

:01:47. > :01:49.no, setting the tone for the night. At the Better Together

:01:50. > :01:52.headquarters, the mood was buoyant. No knowledge of what was to come,

:01:53. > :01:58.but a confidence that lasted through the night. This Labour Party is

:01:59. > :02:03.determined to show over the coming years that we can be the vehicle for

:02:04. > :02:07.your hopes, your dreams, your aspirations, for a better life for

:02:08. > :02:14.you, a better life for Scotland and a better life for the whole of the

:02:15. > :02:17.United Kingdom. Among the first to declare wordy islands, with the

:02:18. > :02:22.Western Isles results initially coming in Gaelic.

:02:23. > :02:28.The language might have been different, but the result was the

:02:29. > :02:34.same, still nothing for the guest side. The face of the campaign

:02:35. > :02:39.chairman appeared to say at all. On the streets of Glasgow, the initial

:02:40. > :02:43.losing streak did not dampen the party atmosphere. Hundreds were in

:02:44. > :02:50.George Square to mark an important day in Scotland's history. The

:02:51. > :02:55.spirits here were nothing but high. Yes, 53,000... Dundee was the first

:02:56. > :02:59.to go to yes, it was decisive and made the race neck and neck. And

:03:00. > :03:04.then the biggest moment of the night, when yes took the lead. For a

:03:05. > :03:10.full five minutes, the glum faces were gone and it was high fives all

:03:11. > :03:27.around. The yes count stood at 50.2% of those counted. Then it would

:03:28. > :03:40.crumble. No, 37,153. No, 62,700. No, 70,039. I didn't want independence

:03:41. > :03:44.at any point. As a young person, I want to live in an independent

:03:45. > :03:50.Scotland when I am older, but now that opportunity is gone. I'm

:03:51. > :03:55.disappointed, but I think Alex Hammond was right when he said we

:03:56. > :04:00.should not look at how badly things have gone for the campaign but how

:04:01. > :04:02.far we have travelled. The 32 council and of almost flawlessly,

:04:03. > :04:08.apart from in Dundee, where a fire alarm twice forced the evacuation of

:04:09. > :04:13.the counting hall. A few brave police officers guarded the ballot

:04:14. > :04:17.papers until they returned. The majority of valid votes cast

:04:18. > :04:20.yesterday by the people of Scotland in response to the referendum

:04:21. > :04:26.question, should Scotland be an independent country, were in favour

:04:27. > :04:34.of no. The Chief Counting Officer's moment was stolen will stop by the

:04:35. > :04:42.tame --. By the time the declaration was made, it was all over. For some,

:04:43. > :04:48.it was too much. Shortly after 5am, the BBC called the referendum, with

:04:49. > :04:51.the people of Scotland rejecting independence. It is the end of

:04:52. > :04:56.chapter one, but the full story is yet to be written.

:04:57. > :05:01.Tom Greatrex has turned into Gemma Doyle, in an extraordinary

:05:02. > :05:05.development. He was able to sit here and proudly say that South

:05:06. > :05:08.Lanarkshire had voted no. Unfortunately you don't have the

:05:09. > :05:13.same ability to say about your constituency, do you? It seems to

:05:14. > :05:20.have voted yes. It did, indeed. The overall result was the one that I

:05:21. > :05:26.was interested in last night. Why do you think that in all of the

:05:27. > :05:31.traditional, working areas, they were the ones that voted yes? It's

:05:32. > :05:36.an interesting comparison. I think the SNP traditional areas, where

:05:37. > :05:43.they have MPS, seemed to have voted no. This is a problem for you, you

:05:44. > :05:52.have failed to convince your own traditional, working-class, Labour

:05:53. > :05:56.base of your case? There was a majority of Labour voters in my area

:05:57. > :06:01.that voted no, and I know that from the doorsteps. A lot of people were

:06:02. > :06:06.looking for change, a lot of people had been badly affected by what the

:06:07. > :06:12.current Lib Dem government is doing. These are people that said, OK,

:06:13. > :06:16.where do we get a change from? Because you have not developed a

:06:17. > :06:19.political narrative that tells him it is something other than

:06:20. > :06:23.nationalism? They opted to think it was through independence they would

:06:24. > :06:28.get that change. That's a failure of your own party, surely? I say again,

:06:29. > :06:35.the majority of people... It doesn't matter, you still have a majority

:06:36. > :06:40.who voted yes there. Our base, the majority of people that say they

:06:41. > :06:43.vote Labour in West Dunbartonshire voted no. Other people who have

:06:44. > :06:46.never voted in their lives before came to the polling station

:06:47. > :06:52.yesterday to vote and it looks as if perhaps they came to vote yes.

:06:53. > :06:58.People were coming to vote for something, they are looking for

:06:59. > :07:01.change. Neither Westminster or the Scottish Government are offering

:07:02. > :07:05.much change at the moment. I'm pretty clear it is the Labour Party

:07:06. > :07:11.that would make a difference to those people's lives. You heard some

:07:12. > :07:14.of the people that were disappointed, yes voters. You would

:07:15. > :07:18.accept that is it, that is the end of all of this talk about

:07:19. > :07:23.referendums for at least ten, 15, perhaps 20 years? We said it was

:07:24. > :07:26.once in a generation. We have to accept the result. I'm immensely

:07:27. > :07:31.proud of the campaign. The 1.6 million that voted, the 45%, which I

:07:32. > :07:36.think is a stunning figure, I would not have it downplayed. Your

:07:37. > :07:41.colleague from Westminster was seeking to do that. But we now have

:07:42. > :07:45.to to see what is going to be delivered. The No Campaign have won

:07:46. > :07:49.on the basis of pledging more powers. They have to be specified

:07:50. > :07:54.and they have to be delivered. We are here to support that we do have

:07:55. > :07:59.these powers spelled-out and we do have to have them delivered. Many

:08:00. > :08:04.people who would otherwise have voted yes voted no in anticipation

:08:05. > :08:10.of the likelihood of powers being granted. Do you think Alex Salmond

:08:11. > :08:16.should stay on? Absolutely. Until one? Until he chooses to leave

:08:17. > :08:20.office. Would you like to see him lead you into the next Scottish

:08:21. > :08:25.election? I would be delighted if he were to do so. Have you spoken to

:08:26. > :08:33.him and do you think it is his intention? I was at the event with

:08:34. > :08:37.him early in the morning. Margaret Mitchell, let me ask you what I call

:08:38. > :08:42.the George Soros question. Let's say David Cameron gets his way and there

:08:43. > :08:48.is a referendum on the European Union and Britain votes to leave the

:08:49. > :08:52.European Union, but Scotland votes to state, is there a strong case for

:08:53. > :08:55.saying we should have another referendum because Scotland will

:08:56. > :09:00.have decided on a different course than Britain? I think in the first

:09:01. > :09:05.place, Scotland will be pleased to have a say in the referendum in

:09:06. > :09:10.Europe. There is no doubt that there are changes very badly needed there.

:09:11. > :09:20.If you look at the case where every month, 766 MEPs go to Strasbourg, at

:09:21. > :09:25.huge cost, these things have to be reformed. But there is no appetite.

:09:26. > :09:30.It has been a decisive decision. Even if we vote to stay in the

:09:31. > :09:34.European Union and Britain votes to go, there should not be a

:09:35. > :09:38.referendum? I cannot see that Scotland will be so very different,

:09:39. > :09:42.even if you look at the European elections where we were confidently

:09:43. > :09:45.told that UKIP would not ever have a seat in Scotland because Scotland is

:09:46. > :09:49.so different from the rest of the United Kingdom. That clearly didn't

:09:50. > :09:57.take place. I think Scottish people would want their say and want reform

:09:58. > :10:02.as the rest of the Isaac and do. -- United Kingdom do. Andrew has spent

:10:03. > :10:05.the morning in his bubble, hunting for politicians in Edinburgh. Have

:10:06. > :10:11.you found one or have you found somebody that makes whiskey? It is a

:10:12. > :10:16.politics free zone right now, unusually. I have found some

:10:17. > :10:24.industry reaction. It is the 3rd biggest industry in Scotland. I am

:10:25. > :10:30.going to speak to David Frost from the Scottish Whisky Association.

:10:31. > :10:36.Everybody's reaction to this event, how is the industry reacting? We

:10:37. > :10:40.always said there were risks in independence. That is the position

:10:41. > :10:43.we have taken through the campaign. We are glad those risks are not

:10:44. > :10:47.going to crystallise and we archive that there is a clear result,

:10:48. > :10:50.stability going forward. Because you are an industry that likes long-term

:10:51. > :10:54.stability, you are putting stuff in casks that you are going to see in

:10:55. > :10:59.another 18 years, but with another referendum you did not know what was

:11:00. > :11:07.happening in three days? We do still, it goes into the cask, it

:11:08. > :11:12.comes out 18 years later. -- he still dashed still. Not knowing what

:11:13. > :11:18.the currency might be is a big element of instability. We are glad

:11:19. > :11:21.that debate is closed. You mentioned currency, in terms of instability,

:11:22. > :11:27.was that your main concern? What other issues did you have? The main

:11:28. > :11:29.concern was around support for exports. We depend massively on

:11:30. > :11:37.support of the British government around the world. We are highly

:11:38. > :11:40.regulated, government set the rules around the world, we need the

:11:41. > :11:44.support of our own government to deal with those trade barriers and

:11:45. > :11:48.encourage exports. Being part of a big country with a big, successful

:11:49. > :11:51.diplomatic service is really important to this industry. It's

:11:52. > :11:56.interesting you talk about being part of the big country, we were

:11:57. > :11:59.talking earlier about accusations of how the Prime Minister had

:12:00. > :12:04.orchestrated a response from business to come out against the Yes

:12:05. > :12:08.Campaign. Was your industry involved in that? Were you ever approached?

:12:09. > :12:12.We have conversations with everybody in this campaign on both sides of

:12:13. > :12:16.the debate all the time, since the beginning. We are not orchestrated

:12:17. > :12:20.by anybody. We have not been discouraged from speaking by

:12:21. > :12:26.anybody. We have had a very clear view as an industry, and we felt

:12:27. > :12:29.happy exposing that throughout. We have the promise of more powers for

:12:30. > :12:34.Holyrood, perhaps this is more uncertainty once again. How are you

:12:35. > :12:39.going to deal with this issue? There is going to be a big debate about

:12:40. > :12:43.devolution going forward. We are very keen and ready to be part of

:12:44. > :12:52.the debate. We want two things from it. One is arrangements that support

:12:53. > :12:55.the Scotch whiskey industry, that help us export and provide skills

:12:56. > :13:00.that we need. Second, arrangements that support the is in this climate

:13:01. > :13:02.more broadly in Scotland. One of the things you can see as a result of

:13:03. > :13:07.the referendum is that there are many people to whom the prosperity

:13:08. > :13:12.of this country has not yet fully spread. I think business,

:13:13. > :13:18.politicians, everybody needs to work together to make sure over the next

:13:19. > :13:22.few years that it reaches everybody. You highlighted some of your

:13:23. > :13:26.concerns about independence. Do you feel the referendum was a

:13:27. > :13:30.constructive process? That's so many views were out there, they were

:13:31. > :13:35.aired and discussed? I thought it was pretty inspiring to hear people

:13:36. > :13:38.from all backgrounds, all parts of Scotland talking about issues that

:13:39. > :13:42.are often thought to be too complicated. Currency unions,

:13:43. > :13:45.whatever, difficult stuff about economic 's. It's great you can have

:13:46. > :13:51.that kind of debate. We absolutely welcome it. The more people out

:13:52. > :13:58.there who understand business, understand the economic climate, can

:13:59. > :14:03.only be good for us as an industry. I suppose some people will be

:14:04. > :14:08.raising a wee dram to celebrate or maybe commiserate tonight. Maybe

:14:09. > :14:13.even now if they pass the yard, I am not sure. People have been up a long

:14:14. > :14:20.time. You have been up too long, Andrew,

:14:21. > :14:24.it is just mid-day! Tim is here with us.

:14:25. > :14:30.Now we know that Scotland voted to reject the idea of independence. The

:14:31. > :14:36.figures on the right-hand side, 55% voted no, 45% voted yes. But an idea

:14:37. > :14:39.of how Scotland voted on this map of Scotland. These places and Dundee

:14:40. > :14:45.here which voted yes to independence. If we look at the

:14:46. > :14:52.constituencies, Dundee, clearly it was the big yes to independence.

:14:53. > :15:00.The figure there is showing 57% voted for yes and had 3% no. 79

:15:01. > :15:05.period turnout, slightly lower than areas but a bigger number of people

:15:06. > :15:10.voting for independence in Dundee. It was called the SNP City, so no

:15:11. > :15:14.surprise. Clackmannanshire on the other hand, was one that the yes

:15:15. > :15:17.side needed to win to get a yes vote.

:15:18. > :15:24.I will try that again... Clackmannanshire... Sorry, the board

:15:25. > :15:32.is not working. We will try one more time. There we go. Clackmannanshire

:15:33. > :15:35.was expected to go for yes but 46/54, mirroring the polls that

:15:36. > :15:41.showed that the no side were going to win. Going back to Moray it is

:15:42. > :15:46.represented obviously by Angus Robertson, the SNP leader at

:15:47. > :15:52.Westminster. You would have expected, sorry, I think that the

:15:53. > :16:04.touch screen is tired, it has been working all night. 58% said no, 42%

:16:05. > :16:07.yes. Glasgow, had a slightly lower turn out than perhaps ex-peckeded,

:16:08. > :16:11.though more than at the general election of the last Scottish

:16:12. > :16:22.elections, 75% of the electorate turned out to vote. 53% said yes,

:16:23. > :16:30.47% said no. So looking in proportion at the quiz themselves...

:16:31. > :16:34.-- constituencies themselves, the big areas, Glasgow, Edinburgh, South

:16:35. > :16:38.Lanarkshire, Fife, the biggest ones, two of those voted for independence.

:16:39. > :16:47.Perhaps that is why it did not happen. The smallest ones in the

:16:48. > :16:51.other end of the board there voted against independence by a large

:16:52. > :16:59.majority. Finally, a look at the map again, you can see that 55/45

:17:00. > :17:11.figure. You can see by how much the "yes" side were short. 191 compel

:17:12. > :17:15.969, which is why the no side won. A record turn out for Scotland, 85%.

:17:16. > :17:22.That gives something for the politicians to hope for in the next

:17:23. > :17:29.election in eight months' time. Cameron Buttal is in in St Jon's

:17:30. > :17:35.Square in Glasgow. What do you have there? Can you hear

:17:36. > :17:41.me? Yes. I have been out and about in Glasgow

:17:42. > :17:46.since the early hours. I have to say to begin with, there was not much of

:17:47. > :17:51.a sense that this was the momentous day that we have been talking about,

:17:52. > :17:55.there is lots of media here from all over the world but what has happened

:17:56. > :18:01.recently is that the crowds are starting to gather. People turning

:18:02. > :18:12.up, talking, this is not a Yes Campaign rally by any means. People

:18:13. > :18:17.are talking, there are a couple of signs saying Redtories -- Red

:18:18. > :18:23.Tories. George Square has been a vocal point

:18:24. > :18:27.for the campaign. There is yes chalked into the

:18:28. > :18:31.pavement there. They have been disappointed by the turnout here. I

:18:32. > :18:36.have been speaking to a couple of people. One man walking around with

:18:37. > :18:41.a Labour rosette on his chest. He was saying he has been getting

:18:42. > :18:46.negative reaction today. Some guys with yes badges on, puffing out

:18:47. > :18:53.their chests. A bit of anger there and disappointment. Jim Murphy, I

:18:54. > :19:00.shouted to him, how was he doing. He said he was happy. But the crowd is

:19:01. > :19:05.good-natured, occasionally a bit of jeering and niggling but on the

:19:06. > :19:10.whole good reactions so far in George Square.

:19:11. > :19:14.Margaret Mitchell, you were talking earlier on about a new dawn, we are

:19:15. > :19:19.going to have a different sort of politics in Scotland, aren't we? For

:19:20. > :19:24.the first time in as long as I can remember, it will not be possibly to

:19:25. > :19:27.have a politics based on one side with X and the other side saying no,

:19:28. > :19:31.we would be better off with independence? Absolutely. The

:19:32. > :19:35.positive is that we will be concentrating on the issues that

:19:36. > :19:39.matter for so long. The debate has been all about the constitution. I

:19:40. > :19:43.think that today it is a new dawn moving forward. Everyone is wanting

:19:44. > :19:47.what is best in Scotland. I hope that will be reflected in the

:19:48. > :19:50.Parliament. I know that SNP have worked hard. We have colleagues

:19:51. > :19:57.there. They could not have done anymore. Equally we worked really

:19:58. > :20:02.hard. That sense will prevail. Often Holyrood gets the mood right in the

:20:03. > :20:07.chamber. That will happen next week. This is a challenge for the Scottish

:20:08. > :20:11.National Party, if it is to have a point to its existence from now on.

:20:12. > :20:18.You cannot bang on about independence, when it has been

:20:19. > :20:24.rejacked, what do you do? Do you become a UK federalist type of

:20:25. > :20:29.party? With all respect, Gordon, 45% of the population have voted for it.

:20:30. > :20:35.1. 6 million people. I accept the result of the referendum. I accept

:20:36. > :20:39.that a no vote has the majority. In accord with the Edinburgh Agreement,

:20:40. > :20:44.I will abide by that. I now think that yes, we have to recognise that.

:20:45. > :20:47.But it is now, as I say, over to the Westminster parties to deliver the

:20:48. > :20:53.increased devolution that they said would be coming. This was a promise

:20:54. > :20:57.and a pledge. A vow, I think, on the front page of the Daily Record. They

:20:58. > :21:05.have to spell it out, they have to deliver it.

:21:06. > :21:14.OK. We will go now to David Porter. At a

:21:15. > :21:21.more seenic location. We have come to this part of London,

:21:22. > :21:25.Westminster, the story that impacts on Westminster, the more gazebos,

:21:26. > :21:31.the platforms on College Green that you see outside of the, I can tell

:21:32. > :21:35.you, there many. There is a huge amount of interest in this story.

:21:36. > :21:39.Not from the domestic media but the international media as well. That is

:21:40. > :21:45.because people realise that what has happened in Scotland, it was a

:21:46. > :21:50.momentous night in Scotland, not as much so as some would have wanted

:21:51. > :21:54.but nothing will be the same again. There will be constitutional change

:21:55. > :21:59.in Scotland. It looks a though, if what we are hearing is to be

:22:00. > :22:02.correct, that there will be change in the constitution, and there is

:22:03. > :22:07.the demand for it in other parts of the United Kingdom. But that is not

:22:08. > :22:11.to say that there are not voices coming out questioning the decisions

:22:12. > :22:15.of David Cameron, to make an offer of more powers to the Scottish

:22:16. > :22:19.Parliament, during the referendum campaign and now a growing number of

:22:20. > :22:23.Conservative MPs saying it is fine that Scotland will get more powers

:22:24. > :22:30.but what is England to get in response? I have had a quick word

:22:31. > :22:35.with the chairman of the Tory 1922 shop's committee. I had a word with

:22:36. > :22:39.Graham Brady. He said he had spoken to the Prime Minister. He said that

:22:40. > :22:43.he thought that the Prime Minister judged the speech in Downing Street

:22:44. > :22:48.about right. There was not much anger that Scotland would get more

:22:49. > :22:53.powers, what he said was that he and English colleagues wanted to make

:22:54. > :22:57.sure in his words that "England got a fair deal as well."

:22:58. > :23:05.David, thank you very much. And now Stephen is at Aberdeen

:23:06. > :23:13.Harbour. Aberdeenshire voted no. Aberdeen

:23:14. > :23:19.Harboures is busy as ever. It would have continued to be busy. Northern

:23:20. > :23:24.gas companies continuing to pump out gas from Scotland whatever the

:23:25. > :23:29.result. The reactions from the companies that represent the area,

:23:30. > :23:34.oil and gas saying that it looks forward to working with the Scottish

:23:35. > :23:37.and UK governments and the Wood report, that is about getting the

:23:38. > :23:41.gas out of the sea, that is sticking to the claim that is controversial

:23:42. > :23:46.during the referendum campaign, that there could be as much as 12 to 24

:23:47. > :23:51.billion barrels of oil left in the North Sea. Aberdeen and Grampian

:23:52. > :23:55.Chamber of Commerce are again happy that the uncertainty is over. It was

:23:56. > :24:00.talking about projects being put on hold. About people putting house

:24:01. > :24:05.moves on hold. It is also looking forward to the Wood Report.

:24:06. > :24:10.Aberdeen, we know from earlier analysis, parts of it, the

:24:11. > :24:15.middle-class, voted no. Perhaps people in the oil and gas industry

:24:16. > :24:20.looking to their future. Now, how has result of the

:24:21. > :24:26.referendum been seen in Brussels? I spoke to Chris Morris earlier. I

:24:27. > :24:32.asked him if there had been immediate response in Brussels.

:24:33. > :24:36.There has. If you want to use a word it is probably "relief" they would

:24:37. > :24:42.not put it that way themselves. But we have had statements from the

:24:43. > :24:45.European Commission and thing is of NATO, welcoming the fact that

:24:46. > :24:51.Scotland has decided to stay with the United Kingdom. Brass Barroso --

:24:52. > :24:55.Jose Manuel Durao Barroso saying that the no vote is good for a

:24:56. > :24:59.united, open and stronger Europe. And in particular taking note of the

:25:00. > :25:03.fact that the Scottish Government argued for a pro-European

:25:04. > :25:09.perspective throughout the campaign. The statement went out of its way to

:25:10. > :25:13.say that they would continue to work with the Scottish Government closely

:25:14. > :25:17.on the issues that it is concerned with. Environment, climate change,

:25:18. > :25:23.smarter regulation. So a bit of a sigh of relief overall.

:25:24. > :25:29.The independence of Scotland, thes eggs of part of an existing member

:25:30. > :25:33.state would have raised a whole host of questions that many people here

:25:34. > :25:37.in not just Brussels but others in the European capitals did not want

:25:38. > :25:42.to address. And a double significancy, it is

:25:43. > :25:48.partly where the European Union institutions are based but Belgium

:25:49. > :25:53.itself, they have tendency towards splitting up. I wonder if there has

:25:54. > :26:01.been reaction from Belgium politicians as opposed to EU ones?

:26:02. > :26:05.Well, last night Flemish separatists were demonstrating in favour of a

:26:06. > :26:09.yes in Brussels as the counting began.

:26:10. > :26:14.They will certainly be disappointed. But the one reaction that I have

:26:15. > :26:17.seen from a Flemish separatist party was along the lines from what I have

:26:18. > :26:21.seen from the Catalan government in Spain. Simply the fact of holding

:26:22. > :26:26.the referendum is for them significant. The fact that there can

:26:27. > :26:30.be a constitutional route. A peaceful constitutional route to

:26:31. > :26:34.decide these questions. Obviously governments tend to prefer the

:26:35. > :26:37.status quo, I think what happened last night, while there may be those

:26:38. > :26:42.across Europe who would have liked to have seen a yes, the fact that

:26:43. > :26:47.the process took place has given some people who do favour a

:26:48. > :26:49.different form of government in other European countries a

:26:50. > :26:54.considerable degree of hope, I think.

:26:55. > :27:04.That was Chris Morris. Now, for the first time, 16 and

:27:05. > :27:08.17-year-olds were able to vote. Kristina renton spoke to two school

:27:09. > :27:17.boys in Glasgow. How do you feel about the result? I voted yes, so I

:27:18. > :27:23.am obviously a little disappointed. Why did you want a yes vote? The

:27:24. > :27:29.fact that Scotland is constantly governed bytories when it does not

:27:30. > :27:31.vote for it a lot of the time it is not democratic. With independence

:27:32. > :27:35.you get the government you vote for every time.

:27:36. > :27:41.What about doing it at school? How did it feel? Did you feel you got

:27:42. > :27:46.the information that you needed, that you felt you were old enough to

:27:47. > :27:51.be able to make such an important decision? Definitely old enough. 16,

:27:52. > :27:56.you are old enough to move out, get a job, get married. This decision

:27:57. > :27:59.affects us as much as everyone in Scotland.

:28:00. > :28:02.Simon, what did you think of the result today? I voted no. So I am

:28:03. > :28:08.happy. But I think that the main thing is

:28:09. > :28:11.that 86% voted. So for the home nation it

:28:12. > :28:15.encapsulated politics. Do you think it engaged you in a way

:28:16. > :28:21.that maybe would no have happened otherwise if this had not been

:28:22. > :28:24.happening while at the age that you are at and have the opportunities?

:28:25. > :28:28.Definitely. What did it feel like to vote for

:28:29. > :28:34.the first time? It was a bit weird as I had not done it before.

:28:35. > :28:38.Did you feel powerful? In a way, a wee bit.

:28:39. > :28:43.Every vote counts, so... What comes out of this for everybody is a that

:28:44. > :28:46.this is something you have done for your age group. Is it something that

:28:47. > :28:51.you will do again? Definitely. Definitely. Matthew, will it make

:28:52. > :28:56.you interested in voting in the future. There is a general election

:28:57. > :29:01.coming up, the Scottish elections, who knows what else? What do you

:29:02. > :29:06.think? When I am 18, I will vote in the election. I have an interest in

:29:07. > :29:12.it. If you have the right to vote, you are daft not to. If it affects

:29:13. > :29:16.your future, take advantage of it. At school, there was a referendum do

:29:17. > :29:24.you have the result? We find that out next week!

:29:25. > :29:35.It has truly been a national conversation. In the last few years,

:29:36. > :29:39.the result has been fierce and passionate. The result will mean

:29:40. > :29:48.that a significant number are disappointed. We are best friends.

:29:49. > :29:57.Really? It has always been rigorous, rarely rancorous. But

:29:58. > :30:06.there have been some moments. You are redcoats! With your 30 pieces of

:30:07. > :30:13.silver! OK, I'll give you 30 pieces of silver to shut up! Traitor! John

:30:14. > :30:20.Prescott was courting labour voters for the No Campaign. Such

:30:21. > :30:25.high-profile visitors have attracted counter demonstrations from the

:30:26. > :30:29.opposite side. But with so many people are prepared to come out onto

:30:30. > :30:32.the streets to show their support for each camp, will it be possible

:30:33. > :30:37.for the country to come together again now the result is known? One

:30:38. > :30:42.big name in the campaign, Margo MacDonald, has not been able to take

:30:43. > :30:47.part personally. But her message has been taken around the country by her

:30:48. > :30:53.widower, who told a memorial service after her death of her hopes after

:30:54. > :30:56.the result. At one minute past ten, whatever the result, she wanted

:30:57. > :31:08.those divisions to end and this nation to seek a unity of purpose.

:31:09. > :31:14.If Margo could debate without conceding one iota of principle, but

:31:15. > :31:18.do so without venom, so can we all. If she could respect the right of

:31:19. > :31:25.the other side to their opinions, so can we all. That is what happened in

:31:26. > :31:32.Quebec in 1995. The no side prevailed with a tiny margin, 50.6%,

:31:33. > :31:35.dust 50,000 votes from an electorate only slightly larger than

:31:36. > :31:40.Scotland's today. Observers say, despite that, Canada was not written

:31:41. > :31:45.asunder, notwithstanding the divisions there was subsequent

:31:46. > :31:48.consensus that the referendum had been a vitally important matter.

:31:49. > :31:55.There was recognition that it had been a very bruising experience for

:31:56. > :32:00.the electorate in Quebec. It was a close result, but it was also a

:32:01. > :32:05.result that really mattered. It was not a close result won an issue that

:32:06. > :32:07.was not important to people. One of the key battle grounds of the

:32:08. > :32:10.referendum campaign has been business and commerce. Business

:32:11. > :32:21.leaders insist it is uncertainty they are against. Now we know the

:32:22. > :32:27.outcome, the Minister for industry says that Scotland remains open for

:32:28. > :32:30.business. The sooner that the Scottish Government can provide real

:32:31. > :32:34.inside, the sooner business will be reassured, will be able to pass on

:32:35. > :32:42.that reassurance to the workforce, to their investors and, most

:32:43. > :32:45.importantly, to the customers, to demonstrate that Scotland remains a

:32:46. > :32:49.good place to do business. The Church of Scotland is holding a

:32:50. > :32:54.reconciliation service at Saint Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh on

:32:55. > :32:57.Sunday. The moderator believes the recent national conversation will

:32:58. > :33:02.leave Scots society stronger. The remarkable thing about this campaign

:33:03. > :33:07.has been that so many people have been involved. Not in my lifetime

:33:08. > :33:13.has there been any issue over which the civic voice of Scotland has been

:33:14. > :33:16.heard so clearly. When you have a process which generates that much

:33:17. > :33:24.involvement and that much interest, that must be good. What we need

:33:25. > :33:32.after the referendum is the same amount of civic involvement, all on

:33:33. > :33:37.the same side. With a heavy turnout, it is inevitable many people will be

:33:38. > :33:38.disappointed today. How that is managed holds the key to the future

:33:39. > :33:52.for all of Scotland. Can I return with you three to the

:33:53. > :33:57.16, 17 and 18-year-olds that we saw in that conversation earlier on?

:33:58. > :34:03.Think I am right in saying that Labour's policy is now that and

:34:04. > :34:07.17-year-olds should be given a vote in all elections? That is right. I

:34:08. > :34:13.presume, having done it with the referendum, your policy would be

:34:14. > :34:21.that the practice should be spread? We have managed to deliver it, they

:34:22. > :34:25.have taken to it as a duck to water, and we should welcome their

:34:26. > :34:29.engagement. They are part of this fantastic turnout. I think 16 and

:34:30. > :34:33.17-year-olds rose to the challenge, if you can call it that, they did it

:34:34. > :34:36.with pride and we should take pride in them. Margaret Mitchell, you

:34:37. > :34:41.cannot speak for the Coalition Government because you are not a

:34:42. > :34:47.Liberal Democrat, but what the Conservative position? We did not

:34:48. > :34:52.vote for 16 and 17-year-olds having the vote. I think the policy in

:34:53. > :34:55.Scotland is very confused. It wasn't long ago that the SNP were proposing

:34:56. > :35:01.that young people had to be 21 before they could even purchase

:35:02. > :35:05.alcohol. There is so much legislation... You're not in favour?

:35:06. > :35:10.I think it needs radically looked at, this point in time, for the

:35:11. > :35:17.referendum we were not. I think it was probably introduced in the first

:35:18. > :35:22.place because Alex Salmond knows that page with would be

:35:23. > :35:25.predominantly in favour. Hasn't the way that youngsters got involved in

:35:26. > :35:30.this debate done anything to change your mind? Absolutely, it needs to

:35:31. > :35:36.be looked at again and a consistent policy adopted for every election

:35:37. > :35:41.and for every single issue an statute where we are looking at the

:35:42. > :35:47.rights of young people. Reconciliation, Kenny MacAskill. We

:35:48. > :35:51.have be looked in a hot studio four hours, I don't know what is going on

:35:52. > :35:54.outside. One gets the impression from what Cameron was seeing at

:35:55. > :36:00.George Square that it has been a bit overblown, everything is fine?

:36:01. > :36:06.Absolutely, that is why we saw a briefing being put out by the

:36:07. > :36:10.President of the Scottish Federation. All of this has been

:36:11. > :36:14.achieved without the loss of one life, without the explosion of one

:36:15. > :36:19.bomb, the firing of one dollar to. There has been some passionate

:36:20. > :36:25.discord, some disharmony. We have shown that democratic decisions can

:36:26. > :36:28.be done democratically and peacefully and Scotland can and

:36:29. > :36:36.should walk tall. What do you make of this? I was struck yesterday when

:36:37. > :36:40.I went to vote, just being about the place, it all seemed quite

:36:41. > :36:45.extraordinarily good-natured. I am not sure that has been the case

:36:46. > :36:49.everywhere. Maybe not in the campaign, but I meant yesterday,

:36:50. > :36:56.during voting? One of my volunteers was punched in the face. One of my

:36:57. > :37:03.polling stations was covered in threatening refugee as well. But

:37:04. > :37:07.that was a great opportunity for whoever... Is this the James Dunne

:37:08. > :37:12.one? A great opportunity for a painter and decorator. He came and

:37:13. > :37:15.blanket out again. I think it was about ten o'clock in the morning

:37:16. > :37:20.before anybody came to do it. It has been an energetic campaign, but has

:37:21. > :37:25.been quite divisive. At times we have seen too much aggression.

:37:26. > :37:29.Particular journalists being targeted for asking the First

:37:30. > :37:34.Minister questions, that has been, in my opinion, disgraceful. What we

:37:35. > :37:37.need now is reconciliation not, as some people were threatening, a day

:37:38. > :37:46.of reckoning for people that were not going to vote yes. OK, be fair,

:37:47. > :37:52.Alex Salmond distanced himself from the day of reckoning, Jim Sillars

:37:53. > :38:05.did as well. I have to say, it is true to say, you get some daft folk

:38:06. > :38:11.in any campaign. In my area, my entire town is vandalised with Yes

:38:12. > :38:15.stuff that has been stuck everywhere. Our posters were

:38:16. > :38:20.spray-painted, somebody going along with a set of stepladders

:38:21. > :38:30.spray-painting over every one of our posters, in Yes T-shirts. Some of

:38:31. > :38:33.this could have been stopped. We should have heard a strong message

:38:34. > :38:41.from the Yes Campaign. What do you think will happen now, in the area?

:38:42. > :38:44.Will you be able to come together and agree to disagree on the

:38:45. > :38:52.behaviour during the campaign, let's get on with it? Is that possible?

:38:53. > :38:56.Part of it comes back to what we were talking about before, the SNP

:38:57. > :39:03.have to decide if they are going to work with the Scottish parties on

:39:04. > :39:07.the further devolution proposals. We have got to recognise that we have

:39:08. > :39:11.seen one of the BBC correspondent in George Square, saying Jim Murphy

:39:12. > :39:22.walked through, he was not attacked, he was not leafleted. We have come

:39:23. > :39:28.through with this significant decision. I regret we did not win,

:39:29. > :39:33.but I am proud of what Scotland has achieved. I think we will come

:39:34. > :39:36.together, we know there has been division within families, but I

:39:37. > :39:43.think when Jim Sellers spoke, what he spoke of in terms of the

:39:44. > :39:47.arrangements for Margo MacDonald's funeral, that is the view of the

:39:48. > :39:50.majority of people in Scotland. We are one Scotland, we have to go

:39:51. > :39:54.forward, we had to have the plan spelt out by the parties in

:39:55. > :39:59.Westminster. We believe it should be delivered as speedily as possible.

:40:00. > :40:03.Give us the detail and we will happily work with it. I cannot work

:40:04. > :40:07.with what I do not know and do not have. But I can give you this

:40:08. > :40:11.commitment that we are happy to put our shoulder to the wheel and what

:40:12. > :40:14.we want is the detail and we want the delivery. I welcome the fact

:40:15. > :40:17.that we seem to be bringing forward the debate, although we have to bear

:40:18. > :40:22.in mind it is only a draft bill that is being talked about later in the

:40:23. > :40:33.year by the Prime Minister. That is progress. What they expect us to see

:40:34. > :40:37.the delivery of what they were given and committed to, and then they will

:40:38. > :40:41.be delighted to support it and try to implement it. But we have got to

:40:42. > :40:49.see the detail and it has to live up to what was committed as significant

:40:50. > :40:53.powers. You have gone very quiet? On your original bastion, everybody was

:40:54. > :40:59.delighted on the size of the turnout. That was very decisive,

:41:00. > :41:03.people saying we will accept the will of the Scottish people, no

:41:04. > :41:07.matter what it is. Even if it was one vote, because so many people

:41:08. > :41:11.came out to vote. You think people will be able to reconcile? We would

:41:12. > :41:16.like to hear a little less of we want to sit the detail. Shoulder to

:41:17. > :41:22.the wheel means we have an active part to play, Kenny, too. Business

:41:23. > :41:26.came out, when they saw that 51% of vote, there is no sentiment in

:41:27. > :41:30.business, they have to be listened to, they have to be brought into the

:41:31. > :41:36.equation. I hope that we can talk in a meaningful way to move forward,

:41:37. > :41:40.for the constitutional arrangement, where everybody is going to get the

:41:41. > :41:44.best for every part of the United Kingdom. That might not mean exactly

:41:45. > :41:52.what we proposed here. It could be going further into things. It means

:41:53. > :41:56.what we proposed is on the statute, absolutely, but going further to

:41:57. > :42:03.look at a more federal system, UK wide. That means active

:42:04. > :42:08.participation of the SNP. Did I just hear a Conservative saying federal

:42:09. > :42:13.system, UK wide? This really is a new Dawn! Isn't it effectively what

:42:14. > :42:18.we are looking at it more powers are granted and given to the rest of the

:42:19. > :42:23.United Kingdom? There is an appetite for that in the rest of England.

:42:24. > :42:27.Now, it is a thought that has crossed most people's mind, what

:42:28. > :42:32.does the First Minister do now? Kenny MacAskill says stay on for

:42:33. > :42:36.ever. Last night was a culmination of a lifetime's career. Let's look

:42:37. > :42:40.back at his political career so far. This young lad from Linlithgow

:42:41. > :42:49.became a young man with a plan. Alexander Elliott Salmond signed up

:42:50. > :42:53.to the Scottish National Party at university. A student with a keen

:42:54. > :42:58.sense of Scottish history, he became a man with a key role in Scotland's

:42:59. > :43:03.modern story. A rising star, he ended up being expelled for being

:43:04. > :43:13.part of the 79 group, a left-wing faction. It didn't take long to

:43:14. > :43:21.bounce back. Alex Salmond was on his way to Westminster. In 1998, Nigel

:43:22. > :43:24.Lawson's budget was interrupted. I beg to move that Mr Salmond be

:43:25. > :43:29.suspended from the service of the house. It paved the way for a

:43:30. > :43:33.successful leadership bid in 1990, beating Margaret Ewing. Years of

:43:34. > :43:39.managing the party through opposition then followed. Scottish

:43:40. > :43:47.politics came to the fore at Westminster with the 1997 evolution

:43:48. > :43:55.referendum. Political rivals join science for Yes Yes. A good result

:43:56. > :44:00.for Alex Salmond. Something is changing in Scotland. Later, he led

:44:01. > :44:06.the SNP into the first Scottish Parliament elections. The voters

:44:07. > :44:10.didn't buy a penny for Scotland, disappointment for the SNP. After a

:44:11. > :44:16.lacklustre time, the leader stepped down in 2000. I will hugely missed

:44:17. > :44:21.the job. I can't begin to explain how much I enjoy this aspect, how

:44:22. > :44:27.much I enjoy politics. It was not for long. The men in grey kilts, a

:44:28. > :44:31.popular phrase at the time, came to take John Swinney away. In an

:44:32. > :44:40.Aberdeen hotel in July 2004, Alex Salmond announced he was standing

:44:41. > :44:42.again. Today I am launching my candidacy to be the First Minister

:44:43. > :44:50.of Scotland. There could be a chance in 2007, and

:44:51. > :44:58.Alex Salmond was back in the game. Alex Salmond, MP, 75. 76% of the

:44:59. > :45:04.vote... There was a chance. Fast forward to May, 2007, and a win by

:45:05. > :45:11.one seat. Alex Salmond addressed the delighted party faithful.

:45:12. > :45:16.I heard a rumour... I think we won the election! The trials and the

:45:17. > :45:19.tribulations of being in power then followed. The release of the

:45:20. > :45:26.Lockerbie bomber caused international outrage. On the

:45:27. > :45:29.domestic front, the national conversation sowed the seeds of the

:45:30. > :45:34.future referendum. Scotland liked what it saw in the main. It gave the

:45:35. > :45:39.SNP another chance in 2011. A stunning success. The crowning glory

:45:40. > :45:43.at the time for the master strategists.

:45:44. > :45:46.This is not just a victory for a single political party, I believe it

:45:47. > :45:51.is a victory for a society of people and a nation.

:45:52. > :45:57.A majority government meant a referendum. Then agreement in autumn

:45:58. > :46:00.2012, sealed the deal. London and Edinburgh, would abide by the

:46:01. > :46:04.results. The substantial gain that Scotland

:46:05. > :46:08.has is an agreed process to hold the referendum.

:46:09. > :46:13.I'm honoured to announce that on Thursday, the 18th of September,

:46:14. > :46:17.2014, we will hold Scotland's referendum. A historic day when the

:46:18. > :46:22.people will decide Scotland's future. A dream come true, or too

:46:23. > :46:25.much too soon? Now with the authority of the Scottish Government

:46:26. > :46:29.behind him. He campaigned hard for independence.

:46:30. > :46:32.This referendum is about the future of Scotland and the future of

:46:33. > :46:39.Scotland should be in the hands of the people of Scotland.

:46:40. > :46:43.The preverbial Marmite politician, love him or loath him, or respect

:46:44. > :46:48.his achievements. Little did that young man with a plan, know that he

:46:49. > :46:55.would set a date of destiny for the people of Scotland.

:46:56. > :46:59.Now, earlier, our reporter Jane Louis spoke to shoppers in Glasgow.

:47:00. > :47:03.They were waiting to buy new mobile phones but spoke to her about the

:47:04. > :47:07.referendum. The momentous overnight, as Scotland

:47:08. > :47:10.was put to the vote of no coming out top. If you thought that these guys

:47:11. > :47:17.were interested in that, not a bit of it. They want to get their hands

:47:18. > :47:21.on the new iPhone 6. Some of them have been queuing since Thursday

:47:22. > :47:25.lunch time. Let's grab a word with a couple of the guys desperate to get

:47:26. > :47:34.their hands on the new gadget. Tell us where you are from, sir? I am

:47:35. > :47:38.from Bridge of Allen in Stirling. There was an important event

:47:39. > :47:43.overnight in Scotland. What do you feel about the outcome of the no

:47:44. > :47:48.vote for Scotland? I am pleased. I am a no voter. At the end of the day

:47:49. > :47:52.half of the cruor does not have their own way but I hope that we can

:47:53. > :47:56.get back together and get on with life.

:47:57. > :48:00.Do you envisage change? Hopefully a little bit. But I am happy with the

:48:01. > :48:04.way that things are. We will see in the future.

:48:05. > :48:10.Let me have a word with you, sir. Queuing to get your hands on the new

:48:11. > :48:13.iPhone but keeping an eye on what has been happening? Absolutely. I

:48:14. > :48:17.have been watching the events on the BBC. Now I am here for my new

:48:18. > :48:20.product. Did you vote before you came? I did,

:48:21. > :48:26.absolutely. What about you and the outcome, what

:48:27. > :48:30.is your feeling on that? I see it as a Vic for democracy. I think that

:48:31. > :48:35.the record turnout it shows that Scottish people are passionate about

:48:36. > :48:38.how they feel. I don't think that they can ignore that the voting is

:48:39. > :48:43.pretty slim. I have to ask you in terms of the

:48:44. > :48:47.future, do you think that the Westminster Government will give

:48:48. > :48:50.Scotland what they want, more powers for example? I absolutely do think

:48:51. > :48:55.that. I don't think that they can ignore

:48:56. > :48:59.1. 1.5 million who came out asking for independence. And I really

:49:00. > :49:02.believe that we will get the powers that we need.

:49:03. > :49:07.People will want to know away from the referendum, why are you queuing

:49:08. > :49:11.to get your hands on an iPhone 6, you can get it tomorrow? It is a

:49:12. > :49:15.must-have product it is quality. Absolutely, I have to be here to

:49:16. > :49:19.collect it today. And what about yourself, tomorrow

:49:20. > :49:24.could not come soon enough? I promised my wife if the vote went

:49:25. > :49:31.the right way, I would get her a new iPhone. So here I am! I would have

:49:32. > :49:41.been in a grump if it had not gone my way. As we pointed out earlier,

:49:42. > :49:50.other brands of mobile phone are available! Earlier, our economic

:49:51. > :49:54.correspondent spoke to the SNP donor and businessman, Brian Souter to

:49:55. > :49:59.find out his reaction. My initial reaction is one of

:50:00. > :50:02.disappointment. I am a protagonist of independence. But as a

:50:03. > :50:07.reflection, I really feel we have achieved a great deal. There is a

:50:08. > :50:12.guarantee that the Barnet Formula will be continued. That is very

:50:13. > :50:16.important for funding healthcare and education in Scotland.

:50:17. > :50:22.There was talk of that being abandoned. There is a promise of

:50:23. > :50:28.powers. We will hold the unionist parties to that promise. Also, we

:50:29. > :50:33.have had an amazing flowering of democracy. This acted as a catalyst.

:50:34. > :50:38.We have had people engaging and voting that have not voted in 30 or

:50:39. > :50:42.40 years. It is just an amazing result, the turn out. I feel that