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:00:00. > :00:00.but Westminster says no negotiations until Brexit is complete. Now we

:00:00. > :00:12.Welcome to a special edition of Reporting Scotland from Holyrood.

:00:13. > :00:17.Yes, 69, no 59. There were no abstentions...

:00:18. > :00:20.The Scottish Parliament votes for the right to hold a second

:00:21. > :00:28.This is simply about giving people in Scotland a choice. We agree that

:00:29. > :00:30.now was not the right time for that choice, but that choice should be

:00:31. > :00:32.available to people in Scotland. But tonight the UK government

:00:33. > :00:42.rejected Holyrood's call. We will be declining the request for

:00:43. > :00:47.a Section 30 to hold another independence referendum. We won't be

:00:48. > :00:49.making any negotiations until the Brexit process is complete.

:00:50. > :00:51.We'll speak live to the Deputy First Minister and the leader

:00:52. > :00:59.And we've also been asking what you think the future holds.

:01:00. > :01:04.These men know exactly where they want their balls to land. But what

:01:05. > :01:06.position do they think Scotland will be in in 2020?

:01:07. > :01:08.In other news, after the terrorist attack at Westminster, police

:01:09. > :01:40.The Scottish Parliament has voted in favour of asking Westminster

:01:41. > :01:45.for the powers to hold a second independence referendum.

:01:46. > :01:47.The vote in the chamber behind me followed a heated

:01:48. > :02:01.It ended 69 to 59 - with the Greens backing the SNP.

:02:02. > :02:04.The UK Government says there will be no negotiation until the Brexit

:02:05. > :02:05.process is complete. Our political editor

:02:06. > :02:16.Brian Taylor reports. From Beijing to Bute House, Chinese

:02:17. > :02:21.visitors to Edinburgh top-up their photograph collection. But this

:02:22. > :02:27.isn't a random stop. The tourists are well up on the controversy

:02:28. > :02:32.between Scotland and the UK. Nicola Sturgeon acknowledge that the

:02:33. > :02:35.argument was robust, and she urged an open and respectful approach. She

:02:36. > :02:40.said she wished the Prime Minister well in pursuing a Brexit steel, but

:02:41. > :02:44.that was matched with a warning. I simply want Scotland to have a

:02:45. > :02:49.choice when the time is right. I hope that the UK Government will

:02:50. > :02:53.respect the will of this Parliament. If it does so, I will enter

:02:54. > :02:57.discussion in good faith and with a willingness to compromise. However,

:02:58. > :03:00.if it chooses not to do so, I will return to the Parliament following

:03:01. > :03:03.the Easter recess to set up the steps that the Scottish Government

:03:04. > :03:09.will take to progress the will of Parliament. Ruth Davidson accused

:03:10. > :03:14.the SNP of devoting division and rancour. This is not a reasonable

:03:15. > :03:22.plan of a government, it is the SNP cooking at the same recipe for

:03:23. > :03:25.division. Taken to The Take the proposal, stay in the greens and

:03:26. > :03:28.bring to the boil. It might have worked once, but it stinks and the

:03:29. > :03:36.people of Scotland are not buying it. The First Minister says that

:03:37. > :03:39.Scotland must have the choice of independence, the Prime Minister

:03:40. > :03:43.says the focus must be on the Brexit deal for the whole UK. Two and

:03:44. > :03:50.transient leaders, says Kezia Dugdale. She argued firmly against a

:03:51. > :03:53.referendum. 85% voted in the last referendum and voted decisively to

:03:54. > :03:57.remain in the UK. That is the will of the people and it should be

:03:58. > :04:03.respected. My message to the First Minister remains unchanged. We are

:04:04. > :04:08.divided enough, do not divide us again. The Liberal Democrats say you

:04:09. > :04:13.don't fix Brexit by breaking the UK. The decision to withdraw from Europe

:04:14. > :04:17.broke my heart. As an internationalist, my response could

:04:18. > :04:21.never be too up sticks from the one union of nations I have left. The

:04:22. > :04:23.never be too up sticks from the one greens backed the SNP and insisted

:04:24. > :04:27.Brexited changed everything for Scotland. We face being dragged out

:04:28. > :04:30.Brexited changed everything for of the single market with no mandate

:04:31. > :04:33.from the people of the UK or Scotland. To the goats, SNP plus

:04:34. > :04:37.Green equals a majority demand Scotland. To the goats, SNP plus

:04:38. > :04:46.an independence referendum. -- the goats. Yes, 69. The motion as

:04:47. > :04:52.amended is agreed. Applause, cheers, but a solemn looking First Minister,

:04:53. > :04:55.perhaps pondering challenges ahead. Chief among them, convincing the

:04:56. > :05:01.Prime Minister to grant Holyrood the necessary powers. Despite an eye's

:05:02. > :05:02.majority, that will require persuasion, pressure and that will

:05:03. > :05:16.be complex. Not black and white. We have stalemate, what happens

:05:17. > :05:20.next? The room for leverage is limited because legal powers rest

:05:21. > :05:24.with the UK Government. Constitution is reserved to Westminster as part

:05:25. > :05:27.of the Scotland Act, that established Parliament behind me.

:05:28. > :05:32.Nicola Sturgeon could do three things. There is political

:05:33. > :05:34.persuasion in the party machine, the Parliamentary motions here at

:05:35. > :05:39.Holyrood and Westminster. What I want to hear mentioned is that it is

:05:40. > :05:43.being suggested by the Scottish Government is that the UK Government

:05:44. > :05:45.will require Scottish consent at various points or Scottish

:05:46. > :05:53.corporation at various points, a queer -- acquiescence, during

:05:54. > :05:59.Brexit, perhaps it could be withheld. You could call it work to

:06:00. > :06:04.rule. We are going to hear from the First Minister? She spoke shortly

:06:05. > :06:07.after the vote. I hope the United Kingdom government will respect the

:06:08. > :06:12.view of Parliament. This is simply about giving people in Scotland a

:06:13. > :06:16.choice. We agree that now is not the right time for the choice, but it

:06:17. > :06:18.should be available to people in Scotland when the terms of Brexit

:06:19. > :06:26.are clear. I look forward to discussions in the weeks ahead. Now,

:06:27. > :06:31.we seem to be having some noises tonight, I hope that you will bear

:06:32. > :06:36.with us. What has been a reaction from the UK Government? Fairly

:06:37. > :06:38.emphatic? Yes, Theresa May was in Glasgow, emphasising that there

:06:39. > :06:45.would be no referendum within the period of Brexit and beyond that.

:06:46. > :06:47.Allowing Brexit to settle down. We heard from David Mundell,

:06:48. > :06:51.emphasising that point, no referendum during the timetable set

:06:52. > :06:58.out by the First Minister, water 2018 to spring 2019, and, crucially,

:06:59. > :07:05.no negotiations whatsoever in the meantime. We need to know what the

:07:06. > :07:09.choices on offer are. Until the Brexit process is complete, people

:07:10. > :07:16.could not possibly know what the alternatives were. That is why we

:07:17. > :07:20.are saying no at this time. That is why we will not be entering into any

:07:21. > :07:25.negotiations at all until the Brexit process is complete. Now is the time

:07:26. > :07:28.for the Scottish Government to come together with the UK Government,

:07:29. > :07:33.worked together, to get the best possible deal for the UK, and that

:07:34. > :07:39.will mean for Scotland, as we leave the EU. Brian, for the moment, thank

:07:40. > :07:41.you. So, following this evening's vote

:07:42. > :07:44.the Scottish Government will write to the UK Government to formally

:07:45. > :07:46.request the power to hold an independence referendum

:07:47. > :07:48.between Autumn next year But the Prime Minister, Theresa May,

:07:49. > :07:53.has already made pretty clear So what now for the two

:07:54. > :07:57.sides in this debate? Our political correspondent,

:07:58. > :08:10.Glenn Campbell reports. Near Falkirk, voters have

:08:11. > :08:13.conflicting advice for the Prime Minister on how to deal with a

:08:14. > :08:17.formal request from the First Minister for the power to hold

:08:18. > :08:21.another independence vote. I think we have to wait and see what happens

:08:22. > :08:25.with Brexit. That is my bottom line. It just seems ludicrous to jump into

:08:26. > :08:32.a decision before we know exactly how it is going to pan out. I don't

:08:33. > :08:36.think she can say no, because, knowing the Scottish psyche, if she

:08:37. > :08:40.says no people up here are just going to be up in arms and say, OK,

:08:41. > :08:45.what right has she got to tell us what to do? But it doesn't look like

:08:46. > :08:48.Theresa May will feel obliged to bow to Hollywood's demands. If the Prime

:08:49. > :08:52.Minister will not budge, the Scottish Government could call a

:08:53. > :08:56.referendum anyway. But that would be open to legal challenge, and the

:08:57. > :09:01.chairman of the yes campaign in 2014 thinks it could go wrong. The

:09:02. > :09:05.problem there is, I think, that a lot of the unionist people, a lot of

:09:06. > :09:12.the people that voted no last time, will say stuff this referendum, we

:09:13. > :09:16.are not going to take part, and if there is a massive boycott, the

:09:17. > :09:21.result would be lacking in credibility. That would be a

:09:22. > :09:25.problem. What about having an early Holyrood election and making is the

:09:26. > :09:30.central issue? That is a possibility. I am not going to

:09:31. > :09:35.propose that at this stage. But it is maybe a possibility that the

:09:36. > :09:39.First Minister could keep open. The 2014 referendum took place after the

:09:40. > :09:45.UK and Scottish governments agreed the terms. SNP ministers want to

:09:46. > :09:52.replicate that. But this former Conservative adviser thinks Theresa

:09:53. > :09:55.May is in no rush to negotiate. We think that people do not want a

:09:56. > :10:01.referendum right now, including some Yes voters. If they can take this to

:10:02. > :10:04.the general election in 2020, and the Scottish election in 2021, they

:10:05. > :10:09.think they could make substantial gains. What they have to watch is

:10:10. > :10:12.the narrative of a London, Tory Government saying no to something

:10:13. > :10:16.the Scottish Parliament has voted for. It could have severe long-term

:10:17. > :10:22.consequences. Might it be in the Prime Minister's entrusts a

:10:23. > :10:27.compromise? She may not need to get Nicola Sturgeon onside, but it would

:10:28. > :10:29.help her to not have this constant issue in the background as she is

:10:30. > :10:34.trying to conduct those negotiations. One way to avoid that

:10:35. > :10:40.being a major distraction is to have some sort of agreement for a

:10:41. > :10:46.referendum at some point in future, after the negotiations are complete.

:10:47. > :10:47.That space for a deal remains. But, right now, the two sides seem as far

:10:48. > :10:49.apart as ever. I'm joined now by the Deputy First

:10:50. > :10:52.Minister, John Swinney. You've won the vote,

:10:53. > :10:54.but there's also been an emphatic response -

:10:55. > :11:10.no negotiation until Brexit Scottish Parliament has taken a

:11:11. > :11:14.clear decision tonight to instruct the Scottish Government to embark on

:11:15. > :11:17.negotiations with the UK Government to take forward the process of

:11:18. > :11:20.establishing an independence referendum. That is the clear will

:11:21. > :11:24.of Parliament. It emerges from the commitment we gave to the public

:11:25. > :11:29.that if there was a material change in circumstances from 2014, such as

:11:30. > :11:32.Scotland being dragged out of the EU against our will, that Parliament

:11:33. > :11:35.should have the right to seek that opportunity for Scotland to choose

:11:36. > :11:39.her own future. We will now embark on that with the UK Government and

:11:40. > :11:42.aim to persuade the UK Government that the people of Scotland are

:11:43. > :11:46.entitled to have a choice about two very different futures. You are

:11:47. > :11:51.going to write a letter, what is in it? We will set out our demand to

:11:52. > :11:55.take forward the proposal that has been agreed by the Scottish

:11:56. > :12:00.parliament. They have said no, are you offering options? What we have

:12:01. > :12:04.said is that there is an opportunity to discuss the detail of how we go

:12:05. > :12:08.about this process. But the Prime Minister has been very clear, in 18

:12:09. > :12:11.months' time, the details of the Brexit negotiation will be complete.

:12:12. > :12:16.It will then be available for European parliaments around the

:12:17. > :12:20.continent to ratify the agreement and to consider that agreement. We

:12:21. > :12:24.believe in that window there is an opportunity between the autumn of

:12:25. > :12:28.2018 and the spring of 2019 for the people of Scotland to be given a

:12:29. > :12:32.choice about two different futures. One, a hard Brexit offered by

:12:33. > :12:36.Theresa May, or the opportunity of independence, offered by the

:12:37. > :12:41.Scottish Government. We already know West Minster's answer, so what can

:12:42. > :12:46.you do? Will you countenance another Scottish election? We need to do

:12:47. > :12:48.engage in that discussion. I'm sorry, if they say there is no

:12:49. > :12:51.discussion, I have to press you on sorry, if they say there is no

:12:52. > :12:54.this, you say the vote today is the will of the Scottish people,

:12:55. > :12:59.Scottish people watching tonight would like to know what options you

:13:00. > :13:03.are considering. Can you at least tell them that? What we have said

:13:04. > :13:06.first of all, what the First Minister said is that we encourage

:13:07. > :13:09.the Prime Minister in the discussions she has to take forward

:13:10. > :13:13.tomorrow but the triggering of Article 50, and we wish her well in

:13:14. > :13:17.that process, we set out the position of the Scottish parliament,

:13:18. > :13:20.agreed democratically by elected representative tonight, and we will

:13:21. > :13:23.engage in discussions with the UK Government and key Parliament

:13:24. > :13:27.updated about the steps we can take. I think it is important that, on an

:13:28. > :13:31.evening like this, when Parliament has decided clearly there should be

:13:32. > :13:33.this process embarked on to establish a second referendum, we

:13:34. > :13:36.should have the opportunity to take that forward in discussion with the

:13:37. > :13:45.UK Government, that is what the Scottish Government will do. When

:13:46. > :13:48.the Scottish Government has missed its cancer waiting targets for the

:13:49. > :13:52.fourth year running, and education standards, as you know, have been

:13:53. > :13:56.falling, your opponents say what we do not need is another two years of

:13:57. > :14:00.campaigning, the Scottish Government should get on with leading the

:14:01. > :14:06.country. What is your response? Across a whole range of areas of

:14:07. > :14:10.policy, the Scottish Government take steps to strengthen public services.

:14:11. > :14:15.In A, we had leadership over a 22 month period... 22 months of the

:14:16. > :14:19.best accident and the agency figures in the United Kingdom. In Scotland,

:14:20. > :14:27.a rising proportion of exam success for young people. For ministers in

:14:28. > :14:30.the Scottish Government, like me, we are focused entirely on education

:14:31. > :14:34.and making sure we take forward that agenda. But we also want to make

:14:35. > :14:37.sure the Scottish Parliament has the opportunity to shape a future for

:14:38. > :14:43.Scotland which is an outward looking future, able to participate with

:14:44. > :14:47.other countries. We have run out of time, I take it you will not tell us

:14:48. > :14:47.what is in that letter and what the options are.

:14:48. > :14:50.Let's go to Westminster and to our correspondent David Porter.

:14:51. > :14:57.David, has the UK Government seems to be hardening its line?

:14:58. > :15:05.You I think there is. A pretty blunt uncompromising reaction from the UK

:15:06. > :15:09.Government. No-one here at Westminster thought for anyway that

:15:10. > :15:11.the vote would not go the way it went today so. That to some extent

:15:12. > :15:16.has been factdorred into the response. What has struck me is the

:15:17. > :15:19.strength of the pushback wave had from the UK Government tonight.

:15:20. > :15:23.Previously Theresa May had said - now is not the right time. What UK

:15:24. > :15:28.ministers are now hinting at and saying is - now is not the right

:15:29. > :15:32.time and it may not be the right time for a number of years to come.

:15:33. > :15:36.They are trying to push this in effect, into the long grass. Some

:15:37. > :15:41.ministers privately are saying - you would not be wrong if you were

:15:42. > :15:43.speculating that they would not want any second Scottish independence

:15:44. > :15:49.referendum before the next Holyrood election. That could push it back as

:15:50. > :15:55.far as 2021. Thank you, very much David Porter at

:15:56. > :15:55.Westminster The Scottish Conservative leader

:15:56. > :16:04.Ruth Davidson joins me now. The Scottish Secretary has

:16:05. > :16:06.emphatically ruled out any negotiations on independence

:16:07. > :16:18.until Brexit is complete, so if not now, when? Well Nicola

:16:19. > :16:21.Sturgeon, didn't pen out a timetable. It is talking about

:16:22. > :16:24.principle. You cannot ask the people of Scotland to vote in a referendum

:16:25. > :16:28.when they don't know what they are voting for, they don't know what

:16:29. > :16:31.Brexit or independence looks like. That has not been made clear, nor

:16:32. > :16:35.should you vote or ask people to vote again in a referendum when the

:16:36. > :16:38.majority of Scots don't want to. We don't want dragged back to the

:16:39. > :16:42.decision we made three years ago and that we were told would be respected

:16:43. > :16:47.and respected for a generation. The Prime Minister herself said the deal

:16:48. > :16:50.would almost be done by spring 2019 and that is, Nicola Sturgeon's

:16:51. > :16:53.timetable? Well the Prime Minister has said what we already knew, which

:16:54. > :16:56.is that in two years, from Article 50 being moved, we will have left

:16:57. > :17:00.the European Union. Now there are many things that we won't know, we

:17:01. > :17:03.won't know if there are transitional arrangements or if powers are being

:17:04. > :17:08.repatriated from boroughsles, how they are going to be re-repatriated,

:17:09. > :17:11.if you like to the different devolved administrations and how. We

:17:12. > :17:15.don't know how it is working on the ground and we haven't heard from the

:17:16. > :17:18.other side, from the SNP basic questions about what independence

:17:19. > :17:23.looks like. They are saying leaving the European Union, is the basis for

:17:24. > :17:26.another referendum that they promised people of Scotland they

:17:27. > :17:29.wouldn't have for a generation but they are not talking about whether

:17:30. > :17:33.they would go in as full members of the European Union or about the

:17:34. > :17:36.currency. And if we stuck to the first ministers' timetable of a

:17:37. > :17:39.referendum in 18 months, she would have her campaigners on the street

:17:40. > :17:42.by tomorrow, they would be on the doors by the weekend. Some are here

:17:43. > :17:46.tonight. You might not agree with the vote in the Parliament today but

:17:47. > :17:50.isn't it disrespectful not to give a date just to say - not now, maybe

:17:51. > :17:53.later Well, look, I have always agreed with the self-determination

:17:54. > :17:58.of the Scottish people. That's why at the last referendum, when there

:17:59. > :18:02.was a clear mandate, there was a Government that won a majority, that

:18:03. > :18:08.there was - I voted along West Africary single other MSP, in the

:18:09. > :18:12.Parliament behind us, to have it. It was 92% support across the country.

:18:13. > :18:15.Oh, the chorus has started up but there was agreement across Scotland.

:18:16. > :18:18.At the moment we have division, we have a Government that lost its

:18:19. > :18:22.mandate, its majority. We have a split Parliament in there and we

:18:23. > :18:25.have a majority of Scots that don't want this and we don't know what we

:18:26. > :18:31.are being asked to vote on. Article 50 hasn't been moved yet and they

:18:32. > :18:34.start a campaign tomorrow. Brexit will be triggered tomorrow and

:18:35. > :18:37.Theresa May said there would be an agreed UK position before it is

:18:38. > :18:43.triggered. Is there? Theresa May has worked incredibly hard. There has

:18:44. > :18:46.been joint ministerial meetings. Has the Westminster Government responded

:18:47. > :18:51.to the Scottish Government document, its place in Europe. Has it formally

:18:52. > :18:54.responded? Well, it is about to go into a formal response but it has

:18:55. > :19:00.responded to the questions that are in there. There were lots that the

:19:01. > :19:02.SNP specifically asked for. When the Prime Minister laid out her

:19:03. > :19:05.Lancaster House Speke speech with 12 key planks of how she was going to

:19:06. > :19:09.Lancaster House Speke speech with 12 be negotiate Brexit there were key

:19:10. > :19:13.asks from the SNP in there. They asked for coordination, on crime and

:19:14. > :19:17.intelligence, workers' rights. I interrupted John Swinney and I'll

:19:18. > :19:19.have to do the same to you. We are running out of time. You are very

:19:20. > :19:22.welcome. Today's vote at Holyrood

:19:23. > :19:24.was held back from last week following the terrorist attack

:19:25. > :19:26.on Westminster, which included the murder of police

:19:27. > :19:28.constable Keith Palmer. Today, Police Scotland has deployed

:19:29. > :19:30.officers armed with Tasers Senior officers insist it's not

:19:31. > :19:34.in response to any specific threat. Our home affairs correspondent

:19:35. > :19:44.Reevel Alderson reports. Firearms officers are to be on duty

:19:45. > :19:49.24 hours a day at Holyrood but they'll only be armed with Tasers.

:19:50. > :19:54.Armed response officers with more lethal we are already on routine

:19:55. > :19:57.patrol around the area and on other iconic locations throughout Scotland

:19:58. > :20:02.T follow a review of security in the wake of the Westminster attack. I'm

:20:03. > :20:06.not suggesting for a minute that we jump straight into arming the

:20:07. > :20:09.police. But rank and file police, meeting in annual conference, heard

:20:10. > :20:13.calls for all officers to be armed. They asked a series of questions of

:20:14. > :20:18.the Government 679 Do we have ready access to specialist firearms

:20:19. > :20:21.officers and firearms? What impact is the financial cuts having on

:20:22. > :20:28.these specialist officers and their equipment? And when the Government

:20:29. > :20:43.said they expected more for less, what did they mean? What more can an

:20:44. > :20:46.officer give than his life? Surely they didn't mean that. The

:20:47. > :20:48.conference heard unarmed police were often sent to firearms incidents.

:20:49. > :20:50.Members called for the equipment they need to protect themselves and

:20:51. > :20:53.the public even if it meant being armed. We know that society in

:20:54. > :20:56.Scotland is maybe not ready for that particular step but there has to be

:20:57. > :20:58.an education programme taking place, there has to be an understanding

:20:59. > :21:02.that police officers put their lives at risk every day and if we ask the

:21:03. > :21:05.police to protect the politic we have to ask the question - how do we

:21:06. > :21:08.protect the police? Police Scotland now has 600 officers, trained to

:21:09. > :21:09.deal with any firearms incident. The number of armed response vehicles

:21:10. > :21:11.available almost trebled in the past number of armed response vehicles

:21:12. > :21:14.six months. Senior officers said the security threat was under constant

:21:15. > :21:17.review, based on intelligence here and the wider UK. What you see in

:21:18. > :21:21.review, based on intelligence here Holyrood today is a were you dented

:21:22. > :21:25.measure, operational contingency not in relation to any threat. I can

:21:26. > :21:28.reassure people that we constantly practice our test and response in

:21:29. > :21:32.times of crisis or extreme need and what you have seen over the last few

:21:33. > :21:36.days, is those plans kicking into place, at speed and without any

:21:37. > :21:40.hesitation, right across Scotland. Armed officers in Aberdeen this

:21:41. > :21:42.afternoon. It wasn't a firearms incident, but this may become a more

:21:43. > :21:48.common sight across Scotland. Let's get the weather

:21:49. > :21:50.now and Christopher Good evening. Some sunshine around

:21:51. > :21:59.for some of us. Beautiful blue skies Good evening. Some sunshine around

:22:00. > :22:02.in the north-west but many of us had cloudier conditions. Tonight

:22:03. > :22:06.outbreaks of rain moving their way northwards. Now here it is satellite

:22:07. > :22:10.from earlier. You can see where it was sunny and also the rain edging

:22:11. > :22:14.from the south-west moving its way through the central belt as I speak.

:22:15. > :22:18.Let's look at the forecast and you can see the rain continuing to edge

:22:19. > :22:22.its way northwards tonight. Overnight most of the weather

:22:23. > :22:25.tending to fizzle away to leave most areas dry by the end of the night

:22:26. > :22:32.but still fairly cloudy. Reasonably mild. Temperatures here in towns and

:22:33. > :22:35.cities, you will notice colder for Shetland with colder conditions.

:22:36. > :22:38.Tomorrow gets off to a cloudy but largely dry start. Perhaps the odd

:22:39. > :22:44.brighter moment inspect morning, mist and fog around, too. Then it

:22:45. > :22:47.turns wet. Winds again bands of rain moving north and north-eastwards

:22:48. > :22:51.through the course of the day. So after a dry start for many, expect

:22:52. > :22:54.things to turn wet. Here is mid-afternoon and you can see amass

:22:55. > :22:59.many parts of the country, fairly cloudy and damp. There'll be some

:23:00. > :23:03.breaks in the rain at times and certainly across south facing hills

:23:04. > :23:10.that rain quite moderate. Reasonably mile, double digits for many. The

:23:11. > :23:14.further north you are, the drier it'll be for longer certainly for

:23:15. > :23:16.Aberdeenshire and Orkney and Shetland, brightness there but the

:23:17. > :23:19.fresh south easterly winds will be apparent. Now the rest of the

:23:20. > :23:22.afternoon and into the evening and overnight, the rain still with us

:23:23. > :23:26.for a time, slowly slowly clearing away and as we head through towards

:23:27. > :23:30.Thursday, well, there's some more wet weather in the forecast, coming

:23:31. > :23:34.up from the south. Relatively mild direction but it will be a includy

:23:35. > :23:37.and a wet start to Thursday. A slow improvement, that rain could take a

:23:38. > :23:41.time to clear but hopefully brightening up as we head through

:23:42. > :23:44.towards the afternoon. That's the forecast for now. Back to Jackie in

:23:45. > :23:46.Edinburgh. We've heard from the politicians

:23:47. > :23:49.but it's voters who matter. Our reporters have been out

:23:50. > :23:52.and about throughout the day to see where you think Scotland

:23:53. > :24:04.will be in 2020. It's decision day in Holyrood. In a

:24:05. > :24:07.country we cannot avoid change but we can choose... Well, another day

:24:08. > :24:10.country we cannot avoid change but of headlines on independence or

:24:11. > :24:15.Brexit. An awful lot for people to take in. We are heading over to

:24:16. > :24:19.gallow shields, which is the largest down in thor borders, so let's find

:24:20. > :24:25.out what they are thinking now. I think it'll be part of the UK in

:24:26. > :24:28.Brexit. I would rather it was independent but I've go the a

:24:29. > :24:30.feeling it'll still be part of the UK. Just everything is up in the

:24:31. > :24:37.air. There is nothing certain. Nothing is for sure. So everybody is

:24:38. > :24:42.kind of - I don't know, like you say nervous and anxious. I would hope it

:24:43. > :24:46.would look very much the same as it is now. I was happy with the status

:24:47. > :24:50.quo in the country. I think we'll have chal edges with trade and what

:24:51. > :24:52.have you moving forward but I wouldn't say I'm particularly

:24:53. > :24:58.worried about the situation just now. Well Well it is just after 11s

:24:59. > :25:02.here at the senior men's bowling in Falkirk. These men know exactly

:25:03. > :25:07.where they want their bowls tloond, but what position do they think

:25:08. > :25:11.Scotland will be in in 2020? I think the younger generation will see more

:25:12. > :25:16.changes into the future. I think for us as an older generation, I don't

:25:17. > :25:21.think life is going to change massively in the next three or four

:25:22. > :25:26.years. I particularly don't want another referendum but that's my own

:25:27. > :25:32.view. I think it's very difficult to say where we'll be. I know where I'd

:25:33. > :25:37.like us to be and that is as part of the UK and well and truly out of

:25:38. > :25:41.Europe. It's a busy lunchtime in Aberdeen,

:25:42. > :25:44.office workers have escaped their dressk, grabbed something to eat and

:25:45. > :25:48.are chewing over what Scotland might look like in 2020. I think it will

:25:49. > :25:53.be an independent country. Personally I would prefer it to be

:25:54. > :25:58.independent of Brussels as well as Westminster. I just don't see the

:25:59. > :26:04.point in kind of being independent of the UK but then being members of

:26:05. > :26:09.the EU again and sort of being governed by their legislation. I

:26:10. > :26:13.hope we are still part of the UK and I'm sorry to say I wish we could

:26:14. > :26:27.still be part of Europe although I can't see a way this would happen.

:26:28. > :26:30.Here at a joiny contractors' workshop outside Inverness it is

:26:31. > :26:33.close to the end. Afternoon, the guys here will soon be clocking off.

:26:34. > :26:37.They are joiners, but are they Remainers or Levers? The way I see

:26:38. > :26:41.it, I don't see why we should be having another chance at it.

:26:42. > :26:44.Personally I would like to leave the European Union. That's why I'm on

:26:45. > :26:48.the fence on triggering the second referendum, so we can stay in Europe

:26:49. > :26:52.doesn't wash with me. Well that's our one-day road trip through

:26:53. > :26:54.Scotland almost complete. The political and constitutional

:26:55. > :27:02.journey, though, is only just beginning. And Brian joins me again,

:27:03. > :27:05.Brian, you would echo those thoughts, the journey is just

:27:06. > :27:07.beginning? Yes, it is a week of beginnings, a significant vote

:27:08. > :27:10.tonight in the Scottish Parliament. Tomorrow the triggering of Article

:27:11. > :27:14.50. On Thursday a white paper setting out ways in which the laws

:27:15. > :27:17.of the European Union could be repatriated to the UK and presumably

:27:18. > :27:23.also to the devolved territories but it is also about those voters. I

:27:24. > :27:25.mean, there will be legal argument, there will be parliamentary motions,

:27:26. > :27:30.cajoling and persuasion but what we actually have, what we actually have

:27:31. > :27:32.is competing claims by competing government, the Scottish and UK

:27:33. > :27:36.governments, competing for the attention of those voters, each

:27:37. > :27:38.seeking to persuade that they, the Scottish Government or the UK

:27:39. > :27:43.Government, have got the approach right. I think we'll be back to you

:27:44. > :27:48.pretty soon. Thank you very much for summing that up and for your

:27:49. > :27:56.And that's Reporting Scotland on another day of huge

:27:57. > :27:56.constitutional significance regarding Scotland's

:27:57. > :28:00.Join us tomorrow when I'll be at Westminster reporting

:28:01. > :28:02.on Scotland's place in a changing Europe.