:00:00. > :00:00.Here, on BBC One, it's time for the news where you are.
:00:00. > :00:07.Good evening, on Election Reporting Scotland tonight...
:00:08. > :00:10.The SNP launch their manifesto, with the promise of an independence
:00:11. > :00:15.referendum at the end of the Brexit process.
:00:16. > :00:19.But where does Scottish Labour stand on the vote, and are Kezia Dugdale
:00:20. > :00:46.and Jeremy Corbyn at odds over the issue?
:00:47. > :00:48.Just nine more sleeps to polling day, and the final
:00:49. > :00:50.manifestos are being launched, drawing the battle lines
:00:51. > :00:55.Today it was the SNP's turn to lay out their programme for government.
:00:56. > :00:59.Our political editor Brian Taylor reports.
:01:00. > :01:07.Welcome to the manifesto launch of the real opposition.
:01:08. > :01:10.Angus Robertson set the tone before the main event.
:01:11. > :01:29.An intro, perhaps a little bit too much for some.
:01:30. > :01:35.Nicola Sturgeon has three key aims, to gain a place of the Brexit
:01:36. > :01:37.negotiation, hold an independence referendum...
:01:38. > :01:39.With their true colours being exposed in this
:01:40. > :01:43.campaign, we have a real chance to keep them in check.
:01:44. > :01:50.The SNP cannot form the UK Government but
:01:51. > :01:52.Nicola Sturgeon says SNP MPs have a proud record
:01:53. > :01:57.Moving ahead she told activists, the party would tackle
:01:58. > :01:59.poverty through a ?10 an hour minimum wage and thwarting benefit
:02:00. > :02:09.The SNP has called to stand up for Scottish interests.
:02:10. > :02:16.They back an extra ?118 billion and they were funded
:02:17. > :02:22.by prolonging borrowing beyond Conservative levels.
:02:23. > :02:29.They back a 50p top tax rate as the UK as a whole.
:02:30. > :02:32.In Scotland, tax payers might be able to avoid
:02:33. > :02:34.it, thus cutting the Scottish budget and they back full
:02:35. > :02:38.control of welfare to be devolved to Holyrood.
:02:39. > :02:41.They say they are opposed to what they regard as unfair Tory
:02:42. > :02:48.For older people, that means fighting against Conservative
:02:49. > :02:51.plans which means conservative constraint and pension pledges.
:02:52. > :02:53.The Tory manifesto is nothing short of
:02:54. > :02:56.an assault on pensioners, from the dementia
:02:57. > :03:06.the winter fuel allowance and the ending of the triple lock.
:03:07. > :03:09.The SNP wants an extra ?11 billion spent in
:03:10. > :03:12.England matching the Scottish budget.
:03:13. > :03:16.Scotland will get a share of the cash and they dropped the 1% pay
:03:17. > :03:20.cap for nurses while still insisting on an affordable deal.
:03:21. > :03:24.Nicola Sturgeon controls devolved services
:03:25. > :03:28.and she backs higher allowances for company investment and reduce
:03:29. > :03:32.national insurance for firms taking on new employees.
:03:33. > :03:40.Nicola Sturgeon wants a second referendum once the details of
:03:41. > :03:49.Having won the election last year and got a vote in
:03:50. > :03:53.the Scottish Parliament for the Tories to stand in the wake of
:03:54. > :03:59.That is what they're doing, standing in the way
:04:00. > :04:03.Straight to head out to canvass votes and with just over a
:04:04. > :04:07.week to go, there is no time to waste.
:04:08. > :04:12.Let's discuss that and other things with our panel of top pundits,
:04:13. > :04:17.Jenni Davidson from Holyrood Magazine
:04:18. > :04:27.and Stephen Daisley from the Daily Mail.
:04:28. > :04:34.Welcome to you all. Stephen, the SNP are obsessed with independents and
:04:35. > :04:40.it is number ten in their list of ten key pledges here. Should it have
:04:41. > :04:44.been more prominent? I don't think so. Looking back to the local
:04:45. > :04:51.election campaign, the opposition parties have made the obsession with
:04:52. > :04:55.independents bad driving motivation. It is right the SNP are focusing on
:04:56. > :05:05.other means of bringing round the changes they can see. It is very far
:05:06. > :05:13.down the list. We did have a referendum and they voted, no. It
:05:14. > :05:17.makes us wanting to put forward a list of things they can do within
:05:18. > :05:23.that framework where at the end still putting forward a proposal for
:05:24. > :05:28.an independent referendum moving forward. Back in 2015, the fight was
:05:29. > :05:31.with Labour and now it is about the Tories. On the process of where we
:05:32. > :05:35.are, is that the right way for the are, is that the right way for the
:05:36. > :05:41.-- right way for the Conservatives and the SNP? The point of
:05:42. > :05:46.independence being ten out of ten on a manifesto, that isn't the figure
:05:47. > :05:51.we want to focus on. The Nicola Sturgeon, it is the number-1 point
:05:52. > :05:57.and that is why the Conservatives are pushing an anti-independence
:05:58. > :06:03.message in this election. It is not more important than the manifesto.
:06:04. > :06:12.The manifesto is wanting to hold onto grass roots. We will walk over
:06:13. > :06:17.hot coals to vote SNP. Holding onto seats like Perthshire, Edinburgh
:06:18. > :06:25.South West, where there is a strong no vote in 2014. Like any manifesto,
:06:26. > :06:29.they are trying to finesse these things. That key thing in the
:06:30. > :06:32.manifesto was a vote for the SNP will strengthen the right of the
:06:33. > :06:40.Scottish Parliament to decide when a Scottish referendum is held. There
:06:41. > :06:46.was a vote on mat recently and if the SNP had gone to sway, we would
:06:47. > :06:57.be on our way to a second referendum already. The Conservatives are the
:06:58. > :07:00.party. Labour has been sidelined and we will see how that works out with
:07:01. > :07:08.this apparent surge that Jeremy Corbyn has seen south of the border.
:07:09. > :07:14.This is a yes versus no election. Jenni is with me. The SNP want to
:07:15. > :07:19.hold the Tories to account and stop them having a free rein when it
:07:20. > :07:26.comes to austerity. The SNP can only win 59 seats. How will that work?
:07:27. > :07:30.They have 2% themselves as useful and it is interesting that manifesto
:07:31. > :07:37.starts with points about different campaigns that SNP MPs have been
:07:38. > :07:49.getting on with. Campaign against violence against women, Alison
:07:50. > :07:56.voting against the rape clause, the issue of the Scottish tax havens.
:07:57. > :07:59.Better track record so far. It is showing they are getting on with
:08:00. > :08:05.their day job and they are working on things and can make a difference.
:08:06. > :08:12.There are precisely back to reason may has made U-turns and they can
:08:13. > :08:20.push form more nudes -- more U-turns. Angus Robertson, they have
:08:21. > :08:23.a lot of tweets in the manifesto of different people including people
:08:24. > :08:31.who are not journalists who want keeping the SNP praising the words
:08:32. > :08:37.of Angus Robertson. It is pushing this. We are not going to Govan and
:08:38. > :08:41.Nicola Sturgeon isn't going to be a Prime Minister but we can get the
:08:42. > :08:47.job done and be effective. Stephen we have seen a lot of Jeremy Corbyn.
:08:48. > :08:51.Free childcare for over a million children will be affected. He was
:08:52. > :08:57.unable to see how much it would cost. Does that matter at this stage
:08:58. > :09:02.in an election campaign? I don't think it does. We should be looking
:09:03. > :09:08.at the policy and whether or not is cost. The narrative of focusing on
:09:09. > :09:12.whether he made a gaffe here or there is coming off the back of the
:09:13. > :09:18.Conservative Party's concept of strong and stable leadership. It is
:09:19. > :09:23.promoting that Jeremy Corbyn is not competent. Nationalising the
:09:24. > :09:31.railways is incredibly popular and it is wanting to make him seem
:09:32. > :09:36.incompetent. That number does exist. You mentioned this earlier run,
:09:37. > :09:41.Stephen. Was the advice that we would warm more to Jeremy Corbyn the
:09:42. > :09:49.more we saw of him? One thing about Jeremy Corbyn, I am not a fan of his
:09:50. > :09:55.mother if you caught him on The One Show early on when he was talking
:09:56. > :10:01.about his favourite manhole covers, that is a good example of Jeremy
:10:02. > :10:08.Corbyn seeming human. People don't take a lot of interest in politics
:10:09. > :10:13.and Sam Maher taking it up for the first time. He seems like an OK
:10:14. > :10:18.person. The day -- day after day, there are more revelations coming
:10:19. > :10:24.about his past associations, the IRA, sharing a platform with his
:10:25. > :10:29.friends from Hamas and Hezbollah and people will look at that and think,
:10:30. > :10:31.what is wrong with this man? Thank you very much indeed for your time
:10:32. > :10:33.this evening. More from the campaign
:10:34. > :10:35.trail coming up. But first, Sally McNair has
:10:36. > :10:37.the rest of the day's news. The other parties have been
:10:38. > :10:41.focusing their attention on the SNP's plans for
:10:42. > :10:43.a second independence referendum. But there is continuing confusion
:10:44. > :10:45.over Labour's position. Labour's UK leader, Jeremy Corbyn,
:10:46. > :10:48.has said that he would allow one to be held
:10:49. > :10:51.if the Scottish Parliament His comments appeared to put him
:10:52. > :10:56.at odds with Labour's Scottish leader, Kezia Dugdale,
:10:57. > :10:58.who last week offered a "cast iron" guarantee that Labour would oppose
:10:59. > :11:03.a second independence referendum. Two leaders of the same party,
:11:04. > :11:08.both of them concentrating But do they see eye-to-eye
:11:09. > :11:14.on the SNP's call for a second If the Scottish Parliament
:11:15. > :11:19.and the Scottish people want a referendum, they have a right,
:11:20. > :11:22.that was the whole point of the devolution
:11:23. > :11:28.agreements in the 1990s. I think any referendum should take
:11:29. > :11:31.place, if there is to be one, But the Labour manifesto opposes
:11:32. > :11:58.a second referendum. It doesn't sound like the cast-iron
:11:59. > :12:02.guarantee. It is in the UK wide manifesto. Unnecessary and unwanted.
:12:03. > :12:05.It is not the made up view of the Labour Party.
:12:06. > :12:08.If there is a perception that Labour is sending mixed messages,
:12:09. > :12:11.that is something that opponents can only raise a glass to.
:12:12. > :12:13.I think Jeremy Corbyn has sold the jersey and independence.
:12:14. > :12:15.He says he wants discussions with the SNP about allowing
:12:16. > :12:21.He said it was fine if Scotland wanted one.
:12:22. > :12:30.The Scottish people will stand against Nicola Sturgeon and we can
:12:31. > :12:32.send Nicola Sturgeon a message, that Scotland doesn't want
:12:33. > :12:44.The Prime Minister insists now is not the time.
:12:45. > :12:47.The Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, campaigning today,
:12:48. > :12:50.wants voters to get behind his team and accuse the SNP of using
:12:51. > :12:58.They hardly mentioned independence at all,
:12:59. > :13:01.but we know as soon as the election is over,
:13:02. > :13:07.that is all they will bang on about for the next few years.
:13:08. > :13:10.They did that after the last election and the one
:13:11. > :13:13.It is because they always put independence first,
:13:14. > :13:15.rather than sorting out issues like the education system
:13:16. > :13:21.There is still eight days of this competition to go before voters
:13:22. > :13:27.decide which political direction they will take.
:13:28. > :13:29.Thousands of female workers at Scotland's largest council have
:13:30. > :13:35.The Court of Session has ruled that women in Glasgow have been excluded
:13:36. > :13:40.Around 6000 are understood to be affected, with many claims
:13:41. > :13:47.It's still unclear what the scale of the pay-outs will be.
:13:48. > :13:49.This is going to run into tens of millions of pounds.
:13:50. > :13:51.Upper estimate, 100 million, somewhere in the middle,
:13:52. > :13:55.?50 million will be paid out to women across Glasgow.
:13:56. > :14:02.The women will have to wait some time to get this money
:14:03. > :14:04.and of course, tragically, a number of women
:14:05. > :14:08.since we started these cases because of the messing about
:14:09. > :14:12.by Glasgow City Council, women have died before they have
:14:13. > :14:20.But for those who are still here, they will get substantial pay-outs.
:14:21. > :14:22.The Western Isles Council has thanked the people of Manchester
:14:23. > :14:25.for their actions to help two girls and their families from Barra,
:14:26. > :14:30.14-year-old Eilidh MacLeod died, her friend Laura MacIntyre,
:14:31. > :14:36.who's 15, was badly injured in the Manchester Arena bombing.
:14:37. > :14:43.Time now to talk about the day's events with our
:14:44. > :14:47.Tonight in Aberdeen, we have Callum McCaig from the SNP,
:14:48. > :14:50.in Edinburgh, we have the Scottish Conservative MEP Ian Duncan
:14:51. > :14:54.and the Scottish Lib Dem MSP Liam McArthur, and here in Glasgow
:14:55. > :14:59.is Martin McCluskey from Scottish Labour.
:15:00. > :15:07.Thank you all for joining me here this evening. Callum McCaig, in the
:15:08. > :15:14.first five pages of the manifesto, you mention the Tories five times.
:15:15. > :15:18.You imagine independence once. Is that because you think people are
:15:19. > :15:21.sick and tired of hearing about it? Well if they have been watching this
:15:22. > :15:25.programme I think they might just be! But I am pleased to be standing
:15:26. > :15:30.on the manifesto that monster and austerity and wants to invest in
:15:31. > :15:33.public services and protect people's jobs and pensions. I do not think it
:15:34. > :15:36.is a Westminster to decide whether or not Scotland you have an
:15:37. > :15:40.independence referendum. I think it is the people of Scotland who should
:15:41. > :15:45.have that choice and we had that in the last Scottish elections for the
:15:46. > :15:48.Scottish..., the SNP were elected comfortably with that mandate in
:15:49. > :15:52.precisely the circumstances we find ourselves in and let us not forget
:15:53. > :15:56.that Scotland is being removed from the EU against the express will of
:15:57. > :16:01.the people of Scotland. But this is not an election of -- about
:16:02. > :16:07.independence, as you see it? Two years ago, the S one 36 to 59
:16:08. > :16:11.seats, we didn't become independent. We could win the seats and we would
:16:12. > :16:14.not become independent. We will become independent as among the
:16:15. > :16:18.people of Scotland vote for that to happen. I think that should happen
:16:19. > :16:21.as a result of the mandate that has been given to the Scottish... And
:16:22. > :16:28.endorsed by the Scottish Parliament and I do question how anyone who can
:16:29. > :16:32.claim to be a Democrat thinks it is OK for the Scottish Parliament, the
:16:33. > :16:36.democratically elected body representing Scotland, to be
:16:37. > :16:41.overruled by a party that has roughly 40% of the vote. So you say
:16:42. > :16:43.a vote for the SNP will reaffirm the right of the Scottish Parliament to
:16:44. > :16:49.demand when a referendum should happen. Last time you got 50% share
:16:50. > :16:53.of the vote, if you get less than that, surely that gives you less of
:16:54. > :16:57.a right to demand when a referendum should happen? As you have said,
:16:58. > :17:03.talking about reaffirming, so the mandate comes from the Scottish
:17:04. > :17:07.Parliament elections, it is about a principle here, I happen to think
:17:08. > :17:09.and the SNP happen to think that it is the people of Scotland through
:17:10. > :17:16.the Scottish Parliament that have the right to decide on our
:17:17. > :17:20.constitutional future. Some folk have said Scotland should know its
:17:21. > :17:25.place, but it should be told we are not planning to do that but I think
:17:26. > :17:27.we have grown up as a country and as a democracy and I think it is
:17:28. > :17:32.perfectly legitimate for our party to go into this saying, we will
:17:33. > :17:38.endorse the mandate we have already had. Martin, Jeremy Corbyn has said
:17:39. > :17:42.again today there should be a second referendum if the Scottish Farmer
:17:43. > :17:46.wants one. Yet again he seems to be at odds with Kezia Dugdale who says
:17:47. > :17:50.they should not be won. Is right? There is no division here at all.
:17:51. > :17:54.Both Jeremy Corbyn and Kezia Dugdale are standing on a manifesto that
:17:55. > :17:58.says we oppose a second independence referendum and why do we oppose it?
:17:59. > :18:05.Just as Jeremy has said time and time and time again, it would lead
:18:06. > :18:11.to austerity, affecting our public services, schools, hospitals, ?15
:18:12. > :18:16.billion worth of cuts. But he said he would not stand in the way of a
:18:17. > :18:19.second independence referendum. Both Kezia Dugdale and Jeremy Corbyn are
:18:20. > :18:23.opposed to a second independence referendum. That is for the reasons
:18:24. > :18:27.that it would hate working people across Scotland and it is not
:18:28. > :18:31.something we are going into this election supporting. Ian Duncan from
:18:32. > :18:39.the Scottish Conservatives, news just in, Ayew guff poll out suggests
:18:40. > :18:43.your lead has struck to five points. -- a U guff poll. That would leave
:18:44. > :18:47.you about 16 seats short of an overall majority. This election
:18:48. > :18:51.could turn out to be a massive, massive misjudgement. There is only
:18:52. > :18:57.one poll that matters, that is the one on the 8th of June. I suspect we
:18:58. > :19:00.will see a significant movement in our polling again because of the
:19:01. > :19:06.things we are saying day in, day out. So you are not worried about
:19:07. > :19:11.that at all? I think it will sharpen people's mines, who do you want as
:19:12. > :19:14.Prime Minister, Jeremy Corbyn and all the paraphernalia and nonsense
:19:15. > :19:23.he brings, or risk-mac that is the choice. You will not get Nicola
:19:24. > :19:27.Sturgeon or Tim Farron. If independence is so unpopular, in
:19:28. > :19:32.Scotland, as you say and Jeremy Corbyn is such a terrible leader,
:19:33. > :19:37.why are you going down in the polls? Crewe I don't think we are at all,
:19:38. > :19:42.in fact if you look at it, I am sure there is a narrowing. The SNP itself
:19:43. > :19:48.has fallen, we see it having almost awards for 2% and we Conservative
:19:49. > :19:51.Party grown to almost 30%. It is a fall in the SNP support and a growth
:19:52. > :19:56.in the Conservative support. Liam McArthur, last week Willie Rennie --
:19:57. > :20:00.accused the SNP are being obsessed with independence. He said they must
:20:01. > :20:02.then we are stupid because they barely mention independence in the
:20:03. > :20:07.manifesto. It looks like your other party obsessed with independence. We
:20:08. > :20:12.started up the campaign Nicola Sturgeon assuring the voters this
:20:13. > :20:15.election was not about independence while her predecessor was busy
:20:16. > :20:20.telling people it absolutely was. We have seen a pattern of behaviour
:20:21. > :20:24.over successive elections, whether in Europe, Westminster or Hollywood,
:20:25. > :20:28.that in the run-up to polling day, the SNP tried to show everyone it is
:20:29. > :20:33.not about to vote for independence, then as soon as the votes are cast,
:20:34. > :20:39.it is absolutely about a mandate for in this case a second in divisive
:20:40. > :20:43.independence referendum. So they have previous on this and that is a
:20:44. > :20:48.very valid point that Willie Rennie has been pointing out. But for the
:20:49. > :20:53.Lib Dems, this is an election about independence in Scotland? Well, as I
:20:54. > :21:01.say, the SNP have got previous on this. Given the Parliamentary
:21:02. > :21:07.arithmetic, the fact the SNP at 56 out of 59 seats, it is clearly a
:21:08. > :21:12.choice between the SNP and those such as ourselves, who are opposed
:21:13. > :21:15.to any divisive independence referendum. I think that is the
:21:16. > :21:23.majority view from voters across Scotland, including many who voted
:21:24. > :21:26.in the first referendum. I do not detect the appetite to go through
:21:27. > :21:30.that once again. That is why he think you're seeing a bit of a
:21:31. > :21:35.rearguard action being fought by the SNP. Martin, the polls seem to be
:21:36. > :21:37.moving back in your paper tonight with this one especially, can you
:21:38. > :21:42.still close the gap further with nine days to go? I think they can, I
:21:43. > :21:47.think the momentum is with the Labour Party in this election. When
:21:48. > :21:51.you look at the SNP manifesto, beware of nationalists with empty
:21:52. > :21:52.promises that is what we saw from the SNP today. Thank you all very
:21:53. > :21:54.much for your time. It's been a roller-coaster
:21:55. > :21:56.24 hours for Jeremy Corbyn. Even Nigel Farage tweeted to say
:21:57. > :21:59.the Labour leader had done well in last night's TV debate, but then
:22:00. > :22:01.came a difficult radio interview this morning when Mr Corbyn
:22:02. > :22:04.didn't seem to know the cost So it was everything to play
:22:05. > :22:07.for earlier this evening when it was his turn to sit
:22:08. > :22:25.on the famous One Show sofa. Boys and girls jobs, do you have
:22:26. > :22:28.that in your own house? No. Some people say that you haven't
:22:29. > :22:31.necessarily always gone out of your way to be a Prime Minister, you are
:22:32. > :22:36.more of an activist. Is there a difference? I have been active in
:22:37. > :22:40.politics, human rights and many things my life. Did I ever set out
:22:41. > :22:45.in life to become Prime Minister? No. I set out in life to try and
:22:46. > :22:49.change things and try and bring about greater justice in our
:22:50. > :23:00.society. Moving onto our first film, it is all about a banker. But with a
:23:01. > :23:02.difference. That was my grandad, born in Lowestoft, moved to
:23:03. > :23:08.Sunderland and eventually to London. He was a solicitor in healing and he
:23:09. > :23:15.was known as the poor man's lawyer. I learned quite a bit from him. I
:23:16. > :23:19.would like to present The One Show with a jar of my jam. Very kind of
:23:20. > :23:22.you! 90 very much for your time and your jam today! Thank you very much.
:23:23. > :23:28.Earlier, I spoke to entertainment critic Siobhan Synott.
:23:29. > :23:35.It has been an eventful 24 hours per Jeremy Corbyn. He went off rather
:23:36. > :23:39.well at the Channel 4 debate, did less well on woman's hour, where he
:23:40. > :23:47.managed to mess up the childcare policy figures, the main aim, I
:23:48. > :23:50.think, was to get across his message of being a warm, intelligent, the
:23:51. > :23:54.kind of person you could vote for without leaving one of those tricky
:23:55. > :23:58.mistakes that follow you around on social media for the next three or
:23:59. > :24:03.four days. And did he do that? How did he converted Theresa May? He was
:24:04. > :24:09.a lot more relaxed than Theresa May. But guinea pigs on a Peruvian
:24:10. > :24:15.barbecue are more relaxed than that. He came across as sporty, he looked
:24:16. > :24:21.good, he seemed very relaxed, perhaps a little bit dull, I mean
:24:22. > :24:25.quite a lot! His advisers have always said people would warm to him
:24:26. > :24:30.the more they saw him. I think he reaches out to the community that he
:24:31. > :24:34.really speaks to but I'm not sure if anyone else will rarely find
:24:35. > :24:38.themselves charmed by him on The One Show. What we learned about him, few
:24:39. > :24:45.details of his family, his grandfather used to be known as the
:24:46. > :24:49.poor man's lawyer, but nevertheless, it is good to see that he has family
:24:50. > :24:53.ties and that he is very fond of them, we learned more about his
:24:54. > :25:00.allotment and me he gave away a pot of jam. One pot between an entire
:25:01. > :25:04.studio! One standout moment for you? What did you learn you didn't know
:25:05. > :25:09.before about him? He knows a lot about drain covers. He certainly
:25:10. > :25:13.knows his drains. I am not sure if Trainspotting is the way we want to
:25:14. > :25:16.go as the future Prime Minister, but that is what we're looking for, he
:25:17. > :25:18.has that. -- train spotting. And that's Election
:25:19. > :25:19.Reporting Scotland. Tomorrow on the campaign trail,
:25:20. > :25:21.the Scottish Lib Dems and Ukip Scotland launch
:25:22. > :25:23.their manifestos, plus there's So, join us again tomorrow
:25:24. > :25:44.night at 10:30 Good evening. It has been a lovely
:25:45. > :25:46.enter the day but tonight the clear skies mean it is dry, quite