:00:00. > :00:00.If the right to vote is a fundamental human right why can't
:00:07. > :00:29.The Supreme Court has ruled today that prisoners will not have
:00:30. > :00:31.the right to vote in September's referendum.
:00:32. > :00:35.Two convicted murderers had argued that they should be allowed to
:00:36. > :00:37.participate because the consequences of a yes vote would
:00:38. > :00:41.But tonight Scotland remains one of very few European countries that
:00:42. > :00:47.What are the odds of a yes vote anyway?
:00:48. > :00:51.We take a look at the academic research that shows that bookies are
:00:52. > :00:56.better at predicting the outcome of elections than opinion polls.
:00:57. > :00:59.And it's an emotional night in Glasgow as
:01:00. > :01:08.Scottish Swimmers Hannah Miley and Ross Murdoch take gold in the pool.
:01:09. > :01:13.In France, Germany, Spain and Italy in fact in 24 of the 28 countries
:01:14. > :01:16.in the EU sentenced prisoners DO have the right to vote.
:01:17. > :01:18.They can also exercise their franchise in Iraq, South
:01:19. > :01:26.Two men who are serving life sentences for murder claimed
:01:27. > :01:28.the ban on taking part in September's poll infringes their
:01:29. > :01:31.But today they lost their final appeal.
:01:32. > :01:43.this decision that affects around six 500 convicted prisoners in
:01:44. > :01:51.Scotland. They are disbarred from voting. The Scottish independence
:01:52. > :02:04.referendum franchise act states that...
:02:05. > :02:10.The convicted murderers challenge that in Scottish courts but their
:02:11. > :02:13.arguments were rejected twice. They argued the referendum could
:02:14. > :02:19.fundamentally change their lives and it was their human rights to be able
:02:20. > :02:24.to vote. We are grateful to you both for dealing with this matter, with
:02:25. > :02:30.all its complexities, in such an efficient and clear manner. I would
:02:31. > :02:35.like you to remain here while we leave the court and consider how we
:02:36. > :02:42.proceed further. Hopefully, it will not take too long. The decision was
:02:43. > :02:47.to reject the appeal. That is an welcomed by the Tories. I think it
:02:48. > :02:54.is the correct decision. Your liberty and freedom is a fundamental
:02:55. > :02:58.right as his right to vote. As you commit a crime, you forfeit those
:02:59. > :03:04.rights. There was an implication that if they had decided the other
:03:05. > :03:08.week, that would've had a knock-on effect for a potential referendum on
:03:09. > :03:15.European membership? Yes, we were talking about that impacting on any
:03:16. > :03:20.future referendum and more immediately, the one which is due to
:03:21. > :03:25.come in two years time, should there be another Conservative government.
:03:26. > :03:30.Britain is only one of three EU countries where prisoners cannot
:03:31. > :03:36.port, like Hungary and Bulgaria. That is disquiet amongst senior
:03:37. > :03:41.members of the war world. We should be in gauging with these people. We
:03:42. > :03:46.are civil society and we put them in jail in the first place. We want
:03:47. > :03:52.them to come out and engage with us afterwards. We should spend money on
:03:53. > :03:56.rehabilitation. It is about teaching them they are responsible members of
:03:57. > :04:03.society. Giving them the vote is saying that to them, this is one of
:04:04. > :04:09.our civic rights. Scottish ministers welcomed the decision of the court
:04:10. > :04:11.in which they confirmed a referendum law is compatible with European
:04:12. > :04:16.rights legislation. In our Edinburgh studio is
:04:17. > :04:18.the human rights advocate - John Scott - representing
:04:19. > :04:20.the Howard League Scotland. And the SNP MSP Sandra White -
:04:21. > :04:31.who sits on the Justice Committee. Scotland is now in a very small club
:04:32. > :04:34.of countries which do not allow prisoners the vote, including places
:04:35. > :04:39.like Russia, why do we want to be in that club? It was forced on the
:04:40. > :04:45.Scottish Parliament by other poetical parties. We do not allow
:04:46. > :04:56.convicted prisoners, romance prisoners do have the vote. It makes
:04:57. > :05:00.us out of sync with 24 EU countries. Albania, Turkey and Azerbaijan alo
:05:01. > :05:06.prisoners to vote but Scotland in the UK will not. We support the law
:05:07. > :05:12.which does not allow convicted criminals to vote, I do not see
:05:13. > :05:15.anything wrong with that. That is not the legal position. Quite often
:05:16. > :05:22.the European Court of Human Rights has ruled against this blanket ban
:05:23. > :05:25.so it is not the law. The Supreme Court upheld the appeal and they
:05:26. > :05:33.said it does not contain European Convention on Human Rights. So we do
:05:34. > :05:36.not convene -- go against European Convention on Human Rights in the
:05:37. > :05:43.Referendum Bill. Are we contravening European law? I do not think we are,
:05:44. > :05:48.as far as the referendum is concerned. I did not expect the
:05:49. > :05:52.legal argument to succeed. The right thing to do was to give at least
:05:53. > :05:58.some convicted prisoners -- prisoners vote. There is a
:05:59. > :06:02.fundamental human rights to be allowed to vote in general
:06:03. > :06:07.elections. That is where, as you said, the UK has been found wanting
:06:08. > :06:13.by the European Court of Human Rights. That situation will have to
:06:14. > :06:17.be remedied. It is a technical argument to say that a referendum is
:06:18. > :06:23.different. At some point in the future, the decision of the court
:06:24. > :06:29.might be different. The arguments for retaining a blanket ban simply
:06:30. > :06:36.unsupportable. What are the arguments for allowing prisoners are
:06:37. > :06:41.vote? Firstly, the ban does not operate as a punishment on
:06:42. > :06:46.prisoners. Very many prisoners would not have voted when they were on the
:06:47. > :06:51.outside. Many are not registered to vote. They do not recognise it as a
:06:52. > :06:59.punishment. What it should be used as, is to try and encourage a sense
:07:00. > :07:06.of civic responsibility on the part of small, poor and alienating of
:07:07. > :07:12.society. We should also tell them it is their duty to vote, rather than a
:07:13. > :07:20.right. That would be a good thing for democracy in a civic society,
:07:21. > :07:26.would it not? In a studio you are fined if you do not vote. That is an
:07:27. > :07:34.argument for another day. -- in Australia. He said civic society put
:07:35. > :07:42.these people in prison, that is not correct. Their put them in prison.
:07:43. > :07:47.Not romance prisoners of course. The government has a duty to the people
:07:48. > :07:52.of that country. The people in this country do not want to see convicted
:07:53. > :07:56.prisoners having a vote. I have spoken to people in the street and I
:07:57. > :08:02.am sure you have, people have said that. Do you have any sympathy with
:08:03. > :08:08.the argument that the result of the referendum is for life, not like a
:08:09. > :08:14.general election? Absolutely, if people vote yes, which we will
:08:15. > :08:21.certainly do. I am in favour of restorative justice. On the Justice
:08:22. > :08:25.committee we have pushed through legislation regarding that but a
:08:26. > :08:31.convicted criminal has given up the right to vote. We should be speaking
:08:32. > :08:38.to prisoners in the prisons, encouraging them to take part in
:08:39. > :08:42.society, restorative justice. Do you think you think it will be long
:08:43. > :08:48.before convicted prisoners are voting in Holyrood or general
:08:49. > :08:52.elections? It will not be long. Some convicted prisoners will have to be
:08:53. > :08:55.given the vote. Although we have lost the vote at the Scottish
:08:56. > :09:02.Parliament, we have won the argument. The arguments put forward
:09:03. > :09:08.seeing convicted prisoners have forfeited their right to vote, that
:09:09. > :09:12.runs up against the difficulty of the imposition of custodial
:09:13. > :09:17.sentences. Many prisoners are in the short-term sentences, despite the
:09:18. > :09:21.good efforts of the SNP Government and they will be released within
:09:22. > :09:25.days of the referendum within days of a general election. They are in
:09:26. > :09:31.for offences which were trivial but repeated. There are people who are
:09:32. > :09:36.at liberty and are committed more serious offences who are not
:09:37. > :09:40.affected so it is completely arbitrarily. Scotland's prisons far
:09:41. > :09:42.to many people and therefore we remove the vote from far too many
:09:43. > :09:46.people. Now, it's been an action packed
:09:47. > :09:49.first day at the Commonwealth Games. Jonathan Sutherland is outside
:09:50. > :10:02.Tollcross International Swimming Welcome to the Tollcross
:10:03. > :10:06.International Swimming Centre. It is tranquil now behind me. Not so
:10:07. > :10:12.tranquil one arrow go. The eyes of this nation were very much on this
:10:13. > :10:17.place. Michael Jamieson, the poster boy of team Scotland, was going in
:10:18. > :10:24.the 200 metres breaststroke will stop he would be upstaged by a new
:10:25. > :10:27.poster boy. Look at that, the world record line, Ross Murdoch is going
:10:28. > :10:34.to take the gold for Scotland. Silver to Scotland's, and it is
:10:35. > :10:40.Michael Jamieson. Bronze goes to England. An utterly brilliant when.
:10:41. > :10:47.It is called to Scotland, but it is not the person we thought. The gold
:10:48. > :10:52.has gone to Ross Murdoch. Look at that, he just realises what he has
:10:53. > :10:57.done. The big shock therefore a Ross Murdoch. What an amazing swim,
:10:58. > :11:04.eclipsing Michael Jamieson into second place. Fantastic for Team
:11:05. > :11:10.Scotland. Hugh MacDonald joins me now. All eyes of the nation were
:11:11. > :11:17.very much on Michael Jamieson. How big a blow wasn't for him not to win
:11:18. > :11:22.gold? Absolutely devastating. The silver medal will be no consolation.
:11:23. > :11:29.You just have to look at the face of Michael Jamieson. When he came
:11:30. > :11:36.through and talked in a dignified manner to the press, this is a
:11:37. > :11:40.personality who is devastated. People will still say, you have a
:11:41. > :11:46.silver medal. That does not count for sports people. That is for
:11:47. > :11:53.people like you and I, who do not have that inbred desire to win. For
:11:54. > :11:58.sports people it is all or nothing. This is a person who has trained to
:11:59. > :12:05.a level where years made himself ill. He has come up short. He said,
:12:06. > :12:10.I did not come here to come second. You were here all evening. What was
:12:11. > :12:16.the atmosphere like? The atmosphere was extraordinary. We had Hannah
:12:17. > :12:21.Miley earlier on, a fantastic victory for Hamas. There was
:12:22. > :12:28.attention in here because there were three Scots racing together. The
:12:29. > :12:33.Australian went ahead. Then it became clear that Michael Jamieson
:12:34. > :12:40.is going to win, but then we had Murdoch coming through. Stay there,
:12:41. > :12:44.we will come back to you, but it has been a very good day for team
:12:45. > :12:49.Scotland. As Hugh MacDonald said, there was another big success for
:12:50. > :12:56.team Scotland right here in the swimming pool. The crowd is on their
:12:57. > :13:02.feet. No Scottish person has ever won a Gold medal in the swimming
:13:03. > :13:07.pool in Scotland. It got off to the perfect start for Scotland in the
:13:08. > :13:13.swimming pool. Hannah Miley brought victory for Scotland in the 400
:13:14. > :13:17.metres individual medley. It was the sort of entities team Scotland
:13:18. > :13:24.needed. This was the moment when team Scotland won their first
:13:25. > :13:31.Olympic medal at the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. Kimberley
:13:32. > :13:39.Renicks's victory in the under 48 K category brought the crowd to their
:13:40. > :13:46.feet. Emotion was clear to see. Soon after, another judo medal. John
:13:47. > :13:53.Buchanan came out of retirement for these games and one bronze for
:13:54. > :14:02.Scotland in the sub 60 K category. James Miller also won a bronze for
:14:03. > :14:06.Scotland. Then Scotland versus England and another goal for the
:14:07. > :14:16.sister of Kimberley with her victory in the 52 kilograms division. Connie
:14:17. > :14:22.Ramsey was head over heels with hard drawings and could night in the judo
:14:23. > :14:33.hall end as it began with a Gold medal? Not quite. England won the
:14:34. > :14:39.Gold medal. Aileen McGlynn giving it everything she has, but Helen Scott
:14:40. > :14:44.just had too much speed for them. The first medals for Team Scotland
:14:45. > :14:47.came in the para cycling. Scotland's Aileen McGlynn and Louise
:14:48. > :14:55.Haston took silver in the B-2 tandem. Sophie -- Sophie Thornhill
:14:56. > :15:01.and Helen Scott won gold. David McNamee in the triathlon, although
:15:02. > :15:10.the Brownlee Brothers put bums on seats. Another Scot threatened to
:15:11. > :15:14.put a cat amongst the Swans. Mark Austin stuck manfully for a while
:15:15. > :15:19.but on the final lap of the cycling, the pace of the Yorkshire brothers
:15:20. > :15:24.was too much. Austin was used up and finished 21st, Olympic champion
:15:25. > :15:30.Alistair Brownlee won gold. Johnny Brownlee got solver. David McNamee
:15:31. > :15:40.to highest placed Scot. He finished seventh. There was a resounding
:15:41. > :15:47.victory for Scotland in the team Badminton in their first group C
:15:48. > :15:55.match. They beat seashells on the seashore well, on the shores of the
:15:56. > :15:59.Clyde. It has been quite a day for Team Scotland. Whew, how important
:16:00. > :16:05.was at that Team Scotland got off to a good start to get the country
:16:06. > :16:10.behind them? Very much, given that these events will be good chances,
:16:11. > :16:15.very strong in world terms, not just Commonwealth Games, the breast
:16:16. > :16:19.stroke, for example. Scotland finished this evening third in the
:16:20. > :16:24.medal table, behind England and Australia. It has been a good day,
:16:25. > :16:27.interesting to see how it pans out in the weeks ahead. Thank you,
:16:28. > :16:34.Jonathan. Now, we all know that
:16:35. > :16:36.the house never loses, So should we pay more
:16:37. > :16:40.attention to the odds than There is serious academic research
:16:41. > :16:44.that suggests bookmakers are better at predicting the result
:16:45. > :16:46.of elections than opinion polls. So what do the bookmakers think
:16:47. > :16:54.will happen in September? With eight weeks until the
:16:55. > :17:00.referendum, the keys are already taking a flood of bets. They say
:17:01. > :17:04.they have already raked in ?5 million from punters across Britain,
:17:05. > :17:10.more than either Yes Scotland or better to gather are allowed to
:17:11. > :17:16.spend during the campaign. One group of bookmakers say that single bets
:17:17. > :17:25.are between ten and ?20,000, and there has been one bet on ?100,000
:17:26. > :17:32.on a no in September. If I have ?2000 to put in a bed, what would I
:17:33. > :17:38.win? You would win your money back plus ?8 million profit, make you a
:17:39. > :17:45.millionaire. So I make a lot more money if it was a yes vote. When it
:17:46. > :17:51.comes to political betting, the big bookies take things seriously. They
:17:52. > :17:54.employ specialist that it'll all the centres to help work out what will
:17:55. > :17:59.happen and say they have a good track record. In 1992, few polls
:18:00. > :18:07.predicted John Major would win the election. Bookies saw it differently
:18:08. > :18:11.and were right. In 2011, polls suggested the SNP would lose control
:18:12. > :18:17.of Holyrood until just a few weeks before the election. Bookmakers were
:18:18. > :18:23.more confident the SNP would win and they were right again. You won't be
:18:24. > :18:28.surprised to learn some pollsters find the comparison with bookmakers
:18:29. > :18:34.unflattering. It is interesting but I would argue that the polls are a
:18:35. > :18:39.more representative sample of the population, not just a small
:18:40. > :18:47.proportion who commit money and bets, and bookmakers used to polls
:18:48. > :18:52.and many other leading pollsters conduct as their major source of
:18:53. > :18:56.information. So is political betting just another way of frittering away
:18:57. > :18:57.your money or does it give us a useful way to forecast the
:18:58. > :18:59.referendum? With me
:19:00. > :19:01.in the studio is the economist Professor David Bell, who's been
:19:02. > :19:08.researching this very subject. It's not just chanced the bookies
:19:09. > :19:14.have it right sometimes when the polls happened, there is research
:19:15. > :19:19.behind this. There is, betting on political outcomes goes back to the
:19:20. > :19:26.1840s and the evidence is that over time, these betting markets have
:19:27. > :19:30.done pretty well and in fact tended to do a little better than opinion
:19:31. > :19:36.polls. How do they know something the pollsters don't? They are trying
:19:37. > :19:43.to predict the election, not ask people how they will vote today,
:19:44. > :19:45.when you go into a betting shop you work out, based on all the
:19:46. > :19:51.information you have, what will happen at the time of the election,
:19:52. > :19:55.and so it is trying to do a different thing but trying to use
:19:56. > :20:00.all possible information because your money depends on it. Some of
:20:01. > :20:05.that information will come from opinion polls but elsewhere as well.
:20:06. > :20:10.Every possible source of information you can get, and an average people
:20:11. > :20:17.tend to get it right. We have seen this in other countries. There is
:20:18. > :20:20.evidence from the US, Australia, that these kinds of markets are good
:20:21. > :20:26.at predicting elliptical and events in general. Right now what do the
:20:27. > :20:32.markets tell us? What happens in 2014 is that there was a bit of a
:20:33. > :20:36.blip for the No campaign around the time that Mr Osborne made his
:20:37. > :20:44.pronouncement on the currency, but since then, the No campaign has gone
:20:45. > :20:48.back to where it was, which is in the high 70% chance of a no vote.
:20:49. > :20:54.That is currently what implicitly the bookmakers are saying. It is
:20:55. > :21:00.this same direction of travel as the opinion polls at a higher value on a
:21:01. > :21:05.no vote. You could have a situation where there was a narrow opinion
:21:06. > :21:10.poll difference, but if you thought it would not change, why not vote on
:21:11. > :21:14.the leading contender? Thank you, Professor David Bell.
:21:15. > :21:17.Now let?s take a look at what is making headlines around the rest
:21:18. > :21:31.France 24 reports a plane from Algeria's national airline has
:21:32. > :21:36.crashed with French citizens on board. At least 50 people have been
:21:37. > :21:42.killed and more than 200 injured when a UN run school used as a
:21:43. > :21:50.shelter in Gaza was shelled, and Marianne Ibrahim, the Sudan' woman
:21:51. > :21:53.who fled after renouncing Islam, has met the Pope.
:21:54. > :21:56.And tonight, joining me are a couple of journalists, the columnist
:21:57. > :21:59.Kevin McKenna, who writes for the Observer, and the political editor
:22:00. > :22:11.Let's pick up on the story about the ban on prisoners voting. The
:22:12. > :22:14.government's argument seems to be that people do not want prisoners to
:22:15. > :22:19.have the vote, so they shouldn't have it, but there is a legal
:22:20. > :22:22.position as to whether it is in contravention of human rights. Can
:22:23. > :22:27.they legislate based on the electorate not being in favour of
:22:28. > :22:34.it? That is what the SNP and has done. With the backing of other
:22:35. > :22:39.parties. This is a populist decision. It runs contrary to the
:22:40. > :22:44.instinct of the SNP, which the rest of the time tries to portray itself
:22:45. > :22:50.as the poster boys of the European Convention of human rights, that
:22:51. > :22:53.they seem to have gone against that because I cannot see what any
:22:54. > :22:59.disadvantage from trying to include people who have offended in in
:23:00. > :23:03.gauging them in the democratic process and civilising them and
:23:04. > :23:09.perhaps reducing the propensity to crime. Is it true they public do not
:23:10. > :23:14.want to see prisoners having the vote? Most people would be horrified
:23:15. > :23:20.at prisoners having the vote and the hand-wringing is all very well but
:23:21. > :23:25.it is clear the SNP have taken this as a brutal electoral calculation,
:23:26. > :23:29.they don't want to do something unpopular this close to the
:23:30. > :23:33.referendum, but they have got to the right decision even through that
:23:34. > :23:38.logic, which is that if you commit a crime such as murder, you forfeit
:23:39. > :23:43.your democratic right, so there should not be a vote for convicted
:23:44. > :23:46.criminals in jail. But they are happy to wring their hands about how
:23:47. > :23:53.much money is wasted trying to curb reoffending. Let's move on to a
:23:54. > :23:57.story on the front page of the Independent today, sorry to bring up
:23:58. > :24:03.an exclusive in another newspaper, but a big donor to the Tory party
:24:04. > :24:09.and the better to gather campaign, Ian Taylor, his company is legally
:24:10. > :24:13.avoiding UK tax according to the Independent, who say they have paid
:24:14. > :24:17.a small proportion of their profits tax. Does this damage the Yes
:24:18. > :24:24.campaign that back in the No campaign or the Conservative Party?
:24:25. > :24:32.Home any votes it will cost I am not sure, but the Scottish example,
:24:33. > :24:37.better to gather, have had a lot of problems with this, last year
:24:38. > :24:39.various business practices were highlighted that some people were
:24:40. > :24:46.uncomfortable with, and although legal, this is very wealthy and
:24:47. > :24:51.massive company not paying a lot of tax which will frustrate people,
:24:52. > :24:55.especially when the No campaign is already sensitive about some being
:24:56. > :25:01.seen as a Tory campaign when they are trying to attract Labour
:25:02. > :25:05.supporters. Every time we get a celebrity endorsement of the yes or
:25:06. > :25:09.no campaigns, people say they will not be swayed by what famous people
:25:10. > :25:13.say. Will a be swayed by who donates? I do not think so but I
:25:14. > :25:21.think the peoples who are donating lots of money are hoping that will
:25:22. > :25:25.sway political parties to legislate according to the special interests
:25:26. > :25:30.of those donors. Why would they be paying that amount of money? We had
:25:31. > :25:38.this absurd situation the other week with the Russian donor who paid
:25:39. > :25:46.?160,000 to play tennis with Boris and David Cameron. The wife of a
:25:47. > :25:50.Russian oligarch. This will be reducing modern politics to the only
:25:51. > :25:57.way you are going to eradicate any bad smell is just to ban all private
:25:58. > :26:01.political donations. That may not happen in a hurry. Let's come back
:26:02. > :26:06.to the Commonwealth Games because we have to. There was a story today
:26:07. > :26:11.that the Red Arrows fly past last night at the opening ceremony, the
:26:12. > :26:17.organisers asked if it could be blue and white smoke for a saltire and
:26:18. > :26:20.the MoD declined and said it had to be red white and blue because they
:26:21. > :26:26.are the British Red Arrows. Who is being petty? I think the UK
:26:27. > :26:30.Government are being petty. Both sides have promised not to
:26:31. > :26:35.politicise the games but there has been a little citation on both
:26:36. > :26:40.sides. Alex Salmond called a Glasgow freedom city within a few words of
:26:41. > :26:45.denying he was on a political ordnance, and this seems ludicrous,
:26:46. > :26:49.at a late stage it was going to be blue and white for the South Park at
:26:50. > :26:54.the UK Government vetoed the plan and insured it would be the colours
:26:55. > :26:58.of the union Jack -- blue and white for the saltire. This is
:26:59. > :27:03.self-defeating because in the political bubble we discuss currency
:27:04. > :27:07.and the finer details of EU entry that this kind of pathetic stamping
:27:08. > :27:14.of feet I think is what puts people off. But would it have made the UK
:27:15. > :27:20.Government look more broad-minded if they allowed a saltire to fly over
:27:21. > :27:24.Glasgow? What were the afraid it? I think the UK Government and Scottish
:27:25. > :27:28.government missed an opportunity and they could have had the fly past in
:27:29. > :27:33.the colours of the rainbow nation in memory of the recently deceased
:27:34. > :27:37.Nelson Mandela. That would have been an imaginative way around the
:27:38. > :27:42.politics but maybe people were not thinking that creatively. The Red
:27:43. > :27:46.Arrows were flying past as Her Majesty The Queen arrived at the
:27:47. > :27:50.opening ceremony and she was out again today, showing a bit of wit
:27:51. > :27:54.and humour. The Australian hockey team were taking selfies of each
:27:55. > :27:58.other and posted this picture online, in which they are
:27:59. > :28:02.photobombed by the Queen. They may have had no idea when they took this
:28:03. > :28:10.picture that smiling in the back was the Queen. It looks like she has a
:28:11. > :28:15.sense of humour. It is a great photo and a rare sight to see her smile so
:28:16. > :28:19.broadly. At the opening ceremony we didn't get the James Bond Parachute
:28:20. > :28:24.like at the London Olympics, so it is good to see the Queen's sense of
:28:25. > :28:29.humour has come out. And she obviously knows what a selfie is and
:28:30. > :28:33.how to photobomb, quite impressive for an 80-year-old. She has
:28:34. > :28:38.obviously been listening to her grandsons. I am told she has an
:28:39. > :28:44.astringent sense of humour within the context of her many houses. It
:28:45. > :28:48.is fascinating to have it here at a time when the SNP do not there
:28:49. > :28:54.suggest we wouldn't have a monarchy in an independent Scotland. She is
:28:55. > :28:58.still ready popular. I'm sure she is popular in sections and unpopular in
:28:59. > :29:00.others. They carefully avoided that question and I am sure they will
:29:01. > :29:06.avoid it for the next ten days. question and I am sure they will
:29:07. > :29:09.Thank you for coming in. That's it for now. We will be back on Monday.
:29:10. > :29:14.Please do join us then.