:00:00. > :00:08.In Glasgow tonight, to tell Scottish business why they
:00:09. > :00:31.The Prime Minister is in town tonight campaigning
:00:32. > :00:34.He says a million Scottish jobs depend on being part of the one
:00:35. > :00:38.of the "oldest and most successful single markets in the world".
:00:39. > :00:40.But how successful are his visits to Scotland?
:00:41. > :00:43.He is here on the same day that 200 business leaders have signed
:00:44. > :00:46.a letter saying a Yes vote would be better for the Scottish economy.
:00:47. > :00:57.And does this make you feel a bit cringey?
:00:58. > :00:59.We're asking if there still such a thing as the Scottish cringe.
:01:00. > :01:15.If so, and has the referendum debate made things better or worse?
:01:16. > :01:17.David Cameron enjoyed beef daube with truffle mash followed
:01:18. > :01:20.by a salted caramel tart at the Hilton Hotel in Glasgow tonight.
:01:21. > :01:22.No starter because the dinner had to be rather
:01:23. > :01:26.scaled down to make sure the costs didn't breach electoral law.
:01:27. > :01:27.He told the assembled diners at the CBI annual dinner that they
:01:28. > :01:32.had just three weeks to make the case that we are better together.
:01:33. > :01:42.So does his presence here help to make that case?
:01:43. > :01:49.A business speech to a business audience. The Prime Minister argued
:01:50. > :01:52.Scottish firms benefited from the scale and scope of the UK. He
:01:53. > :01:58.promised more devolved powers but said there was more to the union
:01:59. > :02:04.banner financial some political bargain. It was passionate and it
:02:05. > :02:06.was personal. This to me is a family. It is very personal. What we
:02:07. > :02:11.have brought together over the centuries, whether it was inventing
:02:12. > :02:18.the NHS or defeating Hitler, we have achieved extraordinary and brilliant
:02:19. > :02:22.things. Let's stay together and do even more in the future. Ahead of
:02:23. > :02:30.the dinner, the Prime Minister visited a business based near
:02:31. > :02:35.Glasgow Airport. While within the union, the Scottish economy had
:02:36. > :02:39.thrived and found a range of opinions among the workforce. Are
:02:40. > :02:49.you getting the information you need to make your mind up. I am
:02:50. > :02:56.undecided. I am yes. You can have the best of old worlds. The
:02:57. > :03:00.advantages of being part of the UK with the single market and currency.
:03:01. > :03:08.The powers Scotland already has two helped the creation of jobs, the
:03:09. > :03:13.record of 157,000 new jobs and the fiscal devolution we are looking at,
:03:14. > :03:16.there will be further opportunities for Scottish politicians in the
:03:17. > :03:21.Edinburgh parliament to help jobs and growth in Scotland. There is
:03:22. > :03:30.Douglas Carswell, the Tory MP who defected to UKIP. Nationalists says
:03:31. > :03:32.it marked another stage in the UK quitting the EU against Scotland's
:03:33. > :03:34.will. David Cameron says he is determined to secure a better deal
:03:35. > :03:45.for Britain in the EU. I caught up with him a short while
:03:46. > :04:02.ago and began by asking him how the A quarter of the numbers that were
:04:03. > :04:05.there because the electoral commission said it counted as a
:04:06. > :04:11.campaign event. But among the business appeal argued that Scotland
:04:12. > :04:17.benefited from the scope of the UK, the Prime Minister arguing much with
:04:18. > :04:21.the lost in terms of family and personal relationships. Something
:04:22. > :04:27.Alex Salmond has attempted to counter by arguing we are a social
:04:28. > :04:33.union ensuring after independence. He is here to talk about the
:04:34. > :04:38.Scottish referendum in three weeks, but the prospect of an in out) and
:04:39. > :04:43.in the EU came up, could he assure people? Yes, it was raised by the
:04:44. > :04:49.president of the CBI. He said there was ambiguity and uncertainty
:04:50. > :05:00.because of the existence of the European Union -- European
:05:01. > :05:02.referendum. The Prime Minister confronted that at the beginning of
:05:03. > :05:08.his speech. He said he saw no evidence with regard to the EU
:05:09. > :05:13.referendum that it was causing uncertainty to investors, quite the
:05:14. > :05:17.contrary. Does it help the case to keep the union together when the
:05:18. > :05:22.Prime Minister comes on these visits to Scotland? It is a tough one for
:05:23. > :05:27.him. He is the Prime Minister of the UK, he has a constitution and an
:05:28. > :05:33.interest in maintaining the United Kingdom. He stresses very much he
:05:34. > :05:41.does not want to be the Prime Minister on whose watch the union
:05:42. > :05:47.were to end. The Prime Minister has two strike a balance between leaving
:05:48. > :05:51.it to the people of Scotland, leaving it to the parties in
:05:52. > :05:59.Scotland, the largest party of the union of cause being Labour, leaving
:06:00. > :06:01.it to them. At the same time not abdicating what he would see out his
:06:02. > :06:08.responsibility and his duty. It is tough.
:06:09. > :06:11.So was it a wise move for David Cameron to make
:06:12. > :06:14.Joining me from London is the Daily Mail's Andrew Pierce.
:06:15. > :06:19.And in the studio, Observer and Daily Mail writer, Kevin McKenna.
:06:20. > :06:30.Does it do him any good to be here? I don't think it does him any harm.
:06:31. > :06:38.I have always found him very personable. He comes across very
:06:39. > :06:45.easily. He is a formidable and accomplished debater in world
:06:46. > :06:50.debating. I think it was a mistake for his people to persuade him not
:06:51. > :06:54.to debate head with Simon because I think he would have given a good
:06:55. > :07:02.account of himself. It is a little bit supercilious on the part of some
:07:03. > :07:07.people feeling if he were to have debated with Alex Salmond, the Scots
:07:08. > :07:11.would have ridiculed him because of what he apparently represents. I
:07:12. > :07:16.would like to think we were more broad-minded than that. Should David
:07:17. > :07:26.Cameron accept the challenge of the head to head debate? No, was Kevin
:07:27. > :07:30.not listening to Alastair Darling. Alex Salmond made some cheap
:07:31. > :07:36.political points about the bedroom tax, demonising the Labour spokesman
:07:37. > :07:42.for being an apologist for the Tories. It was all about, if you
:07:43. > :07:46.stick with the union you will have an old, Tony and Prime Minister. I
:07:47. > :07:52.want the union to stay at it is and the last thing I want is to see
:07:53. > :07:56.anything unravel but the presence of David Cameron in Scotland will not
:07:57. > :08:00.help the union. It will help Alex Salmond, who must be delighted he is
:08:01. > :08:08.there. You can imagine the attacks he will make on him over the next 48
:08:09. > :08:12.hours. It he did not go, Alex Salmond would say he was frightened
:08:13. > :08:23.of being in Scotland and they would make more of that? No, the virulence
:08:24. > :08:30.and the jeering from the audience. The Tories only have one MP in
:08:31. > :08:35.Scotland. They are almost like an endangered species. David Cameron
:08:36. > :08:41.has to think politics, he will not help the union at all. All he will
:08:42. > :08:47.do is set it back. It would be an irony that David Cameron, with a
:08:48. > :08:49.Scottish name goes up to Scotland while it is still the United Kingdom
:08:50. > :08:58.and is the last bit is Prime Minister to address Scotland while
:08:59. > :09:08.it is still the United Kingdom. One of the arguments is if you vote for
:09:09. > :09:18.independence you will not have to put up with any more Tory rules. So
:09:19. > :09:21.anything that reminds us there is a Tory led coalition in Westminster,
:09:22. > :09:22.feeds their case? There are about 300,000 conservative voters in
:09:23. > :09:28.Scotland at any time. Who have probably made up their minds? Yes,
:09:29. > :09:32.there is only one Westminster MP but that does not represent the
:09:33. > :09:35.conservative constituency in Scotland. Andrew probably will not
:09:36. > :09:40.know this, as recently as 1955, only one party in modern Scottish
:09:41. > :09:47.democracy has ever gained more than 50% of the vote at any election and
:09:48. > :09:56.that was a conservative in 1955. Welbeck is up to 250, 300,000
:09:57. > :10:02.conservative voters in Scotland, it is not a radical country. There is a
:10:03. > :10:06.lot of reserve, cautious people who would probably find some natural
:10:07. > :10:13.fraternity with some conservative values. I find it curiouser I have
:10:14. > :10:20.more faith in Mr Cameron's debating skills and political skills than
:10:21. > :10:26.Andrew does, given Andrew I assume, witnesses this on a daily basis at
:10:27. > :10:33.Westminster. David Cameron makes a decent case for the union. He has
:10:34. > :10:38.said an independent Scotland could be a successful country, just that
:10:39. > :10:42.it shouldn't be. Something Alastair Darling could not bring himself to
:10:43. > :10:55.say in the debate. People south of the border don't have a vote and
:10:56. > :11:02.that is the cause of deep anxiety to some Scottish friends of mine. David
:11:03. > :11:07.Cameron and the old attorney and click that run the modern Tory party
:11:08. > :11:15.are the best recruiting Sergeant Major for the nationalist cause. If
:11:16. > :11:17.the union collapses and the vote is yes, David Cameron won't just be
:11:18. > :11:26.Prime Minister of Scotland any more, he won't be Prime Minister of the UK
:11:27. > :11:32.because Conservative MPs will be unforgiving and kick him out. It
:11:33. > :11:37.would be more unforgiving if he had not done his utmost to save the
:11:38. > :11:41.union? Tory MPs know where their bread is buttered and they know it
:11:42. > :11:45.is the combined forces of maybe Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown
:11:46. > :11:51.who can argue the case better for the union rather than the Tory
:11:52. > :11:56.party. Which I know in the 1950s was the major party. That was a long
:11:57. > :12:01.time ago, even I cannot remember that. It was a very controlled visit
:12:02. > :12:08.from David Cameron today. This will not be his last visit before the
:12:09. > :12:14.boats, should he get out and do some door-to-door canvassing? People do
:12:15. > :12:19.find him personable, he comes across well. He is a good media operator
:12:20. > :12:24.and seems to be good with people. He couldn't not come to Scotland,
:12:25. > :12:30.because Prime Minister 's, statesman like to have a legacy. If this is
:12:31. > :12:39.going to be a yes vote, not only will he have been deemed not to,
:12:40. > :12:43.rather this will have disappeared on his watch, people in future will
:12:44. > :12:46.say, where was he when a quarter of the kingdom was at risk. Thanks for
:12:47. > :12:50.talking to us. More than 200 business people have
:12:51. > :12:53.signed a letter to the Herald saying they believe independence is in the
:12:54. > :12:57.best interests of Scotland's economy because Westminster governments do
:12:58. > :12:58.not and never will pay sufficient attention to the interests
:12:59. > :13:00.of Scottish business. Colletta Smith our Economics
:13:01. > :13:12.Correspondent is in the studio. Who signed this letter and what is
:13:13. > :13:17.in it? I am not going through everybody in it, but more than 200
:13:18. > :13:24.as Mrs, from sole traders to the very large, the likes of
:13:25. > :13:30.Stagecoach. The thrust of the whole letter was about changing the
:13:31. > :13:32.culture, signatories are saying only an independent Scotland can foster
:13:33. > :13:38.the kind of culture that entrepreneurs need. The wedding of
:13:39. > :13:44.this is about job creation, the idea Alex Salmond only introduced in the
:13:45. > :13:47.debate the other day, where he was challenging Alastair Darling about
:13:48. > :13:55.the job creation powers. This letter is only through -- says only through
:13:56. > :14:02.an independent Scotland we can get that job creation here. And the
:14:03. > :14:06.power concentrated in Scotland, not reflecting Scottish is Miss needs.
:14:07. > :14:12.And the possibility of the British exit of the EU and that is the real
:14:13. > :14:17.threat to Scottish firms here. That is different to the letter signed
:14:18. > :14:21.yesterday in the Scotsman by more than 100 prounion firms. And the
:14:22. > :14:34.clash between the two business groupings. There has been an opinion
:14:35. > :14:40.big established businesses are more likely to be No but this has turned
:14:41. > :14:45.that on its head. That is the nature of the campaign over the last year.
:14:46. > :14:48.In March and April, a lot of big companies put out their annual
:14:49. > :14:54.accounts for the rest of the year and that is when we got companies
:14:55. > :15:06.like standard life mention invests as a potential risk on the horizon.
:15:07. > :15:12.-- mansion in this. So pro-business groups have been campaigning at the
:15:13. > :15:17.grassroots level. The picture is not that simplistic, their raw a lot of
:15:18. > :15:20.large organisations who do see independence as the way forward and
:15:21. > :15:24.yesterday, smaller companies signed the letter, saying they are worried
:15:25. > :15:28.about the risks and uncertainty. We've all heard of the Scottish
:15:29. > :15:32.cringe, that sense of cultural inferiority and embarrassment
:15:33. > :15:34.about being our own culture. But with culture taking
:15:35. > :15:36.a central role in the referendum debate, is our attitude towards
:15:37. > :15:58.the cringe changing? What is the Scottish cringe? Did it
:15:59. > :16:04.ever really exist? Has this referendum changed how we see
:16:05. > :16:08.ourselves? The debate on Scotland's future has seen something of a
:16:09. > :16:11.doctoral awakening, how we see ourselves and the world is often
:16:12. > :16:17.connect to do how we see ourselves culturally. -- connect it. For some,
:16:18. > :16:26.an issue as important as the economy, currency and other issues.
:16:27. > :16:33.The Scottish cringe is to some extent an inherent embarrassment in
:16:34. > :16:38.Scottish people at certain times of the life. Largely when they see
:16:39. > :16:42.images of themselves projected in the public domain and sometimes
:16:43. > :16:50.those images are ridiculous, sometimes they are hampered,
:16:51. > :16:58.sometimes funny. -- sometimes camp. Sometimes ludicrous, but it has the
:16:59. > :17:03.capacity to turn the switch on the cringe factor, it does not feel
:17:04. > :17:06.quite right. The referendum has been a long political campaign but for
:17:07. > :17:16.many, it has been a cultural journey. This idea of the cringe, I
:17:17. > :17:20.recognise it was there when I was leaving Glasgow School of Art in
:17:21. > :17:25.1970. Somebody said, you will visit want to go to London. And I thought
:17:26. > :17:30.I would find myself in London, I did not do anything about it. I realised
:17:31. > :17:36.the next generation of people leaving at school after needed not
:17:37. > :17:41.feel like that. Groups like national collect if using the referendum
:17:42. > :17:47.debate to take the idea of culture around the country to encourage us
:17:48. > :17:52.to vote Yes -- national collective. They tell us Scotland is getting
:17:53. > :17:59.over the cringe and comfortable to stand on it some as an independent
:18:00. > :18:07.nation. This is a musician not afraid of speaking out about
:18:08. > :18:12.politics, and unashamedly Scottish. As an artist and somebody who
:18:13. > :18:19.cherishes speech and cultural expression, I think the London
:18:20. > :18:24.culture means it is a race to the bottom. You have to adopt those
:18:25. > :18:30.mannerisms and techniques and that sort of language to ascend. So me
:18:31. > :18:37.returned in my own accent could be seen as small-minded or introverted
:18:38. > :18:45.but I think it adds to a richness of global call, international culture.
:18:46. > :18:56.-- global culture. It is about being who you are. If this growing
:18:57. > :19:03.maturity with those who support a United Kingdom? It is a national,
:19:04. > :19:09.public conversation about self-confidence, Scotland's place in
:19:10. > :19:16.the world. These are positive things irrespective of how you vote. Things
:19:17. > :19:20.that people felt about Scotland have been fundamentally challenge and one
:19:21. > :19:26.of those is the idea that Scottish people somehow need England or a
:19:27. > :19:33.bigger state, the union, that is coming under fierce challenge. The
:19:34. > :19:39.route to September 18th has changed Scotland, we all probably have our
:19:40. > :19:44.own personal view of what the Scottish cringe is but the question
:19:45. > :19:48.for many is how we feel about the cringe after the referendum vote.
:19:49. > :19:50.Joining me now in the studio is playwright
:19:51. > :19:56.And in London, the novelist Damian Barr, who's No.
:19:57. > :20:05.First of all, briefly, what does the Scottish cringe mean to you, Damien?
:20:06. > :20:14.It is kind of New Year's Eve, line dancing and stuff when I was a
:20:15. > :20:19.child. As an adult, reflecting on that, it is the opening of the
:20:20. > :20:24.Commonwealth Games where I was thinking, are we are going to get it
:20:25. > :20:30.right? We mostly got it right. There were shades of that shortbread tin
:20:31. > :20:36.nationalism which I think everybody finds uncomfortable, nobody on Yes
:20:37. > :20:42.finds that contemporary and representative of Scotland. Is that
:20:43. > :20:47.your opinion? The Scottish cringe is on understanding of a feeling that
:20:48. > :20:54.the culture, language and accent, especially working class culture is
:20:55. > :20:59.inferior and parochial and it cannot express the human condition. So one
:21:00. > :21:03.of the features of the referendum debate is that these ideas are being
:21:04. > :21:10.challenged and the idea of being Scottish is being expanded. Does
:21:11. > :21:15.there need to be a Yes vote to extinguish the Scottish cringe? Yes,
:21:16. > :21:19.because if you vote No, it shows we do not believe we are capable of
:21:20. > :21:24.running our country and we do not believe we have the ability and the
:21:25. > :21:28.right to take control of our affairs, not the sign of a confident
:21:29. > :21:34.country. That is not true, culture and the Arts reflect and shape our
:21:35. > :21:41.culture. And when I look at Scottish culture and Scottish writers, games
:21:42. > :21:46.makers, we are pioneering and doing very well, outperforming other
:21:47. > :21:50.countries within the UK. We are very confident and we are doing well and
:21:51. > :21:55.I do not think voting No would not mean we not confident and that we
:21:56. > :22:02.did not feel sure about our creative abilities. When you say it is a myth
:22:03. > :22:09.most cultural people in Scotland are generally Yes... The idea that Yes
:22:10. > :22:15.is a more creative response has a lot of traction. No is the negative
:22:16. > :22:20.word and you think it is shutting down debate. If there is a No
:22:21. > :22:24.result, it opens up debate and we have to challenge what is wrong
:22:25. > :22:28.about the union. I am not saying it is perfect and the way the Arts
:22:29. > :22:33.funded is perfect, that has to change. The Scottish Government
:22:34. > :22:37.could put taxes up now and put that money into the Arts but it has not.
:22:38. > :22:43.There needs to be an examination of how -- of how that works. Do you
:22:44. > :22:51.think most people involved in cultural activities in Scotland are
:22:52. > :22:55.inclined to Yes and if so, why? Most artists and creative people
:22:56. > :23:00.favouring Yes. Not all of them but most of them. That is because we see
:23:01. > :23:05.it as an exciting possibility that Yes could unleash attentional in the
:23:06. > :23:11.Scottish people and the Arts. -- potential. Who is holding them back,
:23:12. > :23:18.the people of Manchester not holding back the people of Glasgow. I find
:23:19. > :23:22.it patronising the idea people in Scotland are being held back and it
:23:23. > :23:27.is not true everybody in the Arts support yes. A lot of them want to
:23:28. > :23:30.vote No but are afraid of coming out and saying that in the same way
:23:31. > :23:42.business leaders are afraid across the public criticism and social
:23:43. > :23:48.media is out there and also divisiveness after the vote. I did
:23:49. > :23:51.say most of them. It might not be the case we culturally held back
:23:52. > :23:59.because with or without a Yes vote, we we can write novels and poems,
:24:00. > :24:03.but politically, we would be limited with a No vote. Economic way, we
:24:04. > :24:07.could not take control of our affairs and that is does feed into
:24:08. > :24:10.the Scottish confidence if we feel there are limits on what we can
:24:11. > :24:13.achieve as a nation. That is the case and it would be the case. Thank
:24:14. > :24:18.you very much. Now let's take a look at the stories
:24:19. > :24:30.making headlines around the world. Russian troops have been deployed in
:24:31. > :24:35.Ukraine, according to the Ukrainian President. CBC News reports Petro
:24:36. > :24:40.Poroshenko has cancelled a foreign visit to deal with the crisis,
:24:41. > :24:45.Russia denies the allegations. There is an alleged execution of dozens of
:24:46. > :24:51.Syrian soldiers by Islamic State militants. A Eurosceptic
:24:52. > :24:54.Conservative MP switches his allegiance to UKIP. He has stepped
:24:55. > :24:56.down from his current seat to contest it for his new party in a
:24:57. > :25:01.by-election. Joining us now to look
:25:02. > :25:04.at the rest of the day's news are Labour blogger Duncan Hothersall
:25:05. > :25:20.and Yes campaigner Audrey Birt. Back to that story about Douglas
:25:21. > :25:27.Carswell. Nigel Farage is behind -- is beside himself and he says... It
:25:28. > :25:30.is obligatory in Scotland to look at everything through the Scottish
:25:31. > :25:35.referendum. Is it a problem for Better Together that this makes
:25:36. > :25:38.Westminster look a bit more Eurosceptic and people will be
:25:39. > :25:43.worried that if the rest of the UK is going to leave the EU, maybe we
:25:44. > :25:48.should vote for independence to stay part of the European Union? That is
:25:49. > :25:52.an argument the Yes side will put forward. I think this idea there is
:25:53. > :25:58.this massive political difference and it hits the country at Eric is a
:25:59. > :26:06.nonsense. You have to look at the way Nigel Farage was greeted in
:26:07. > :26:13.Kent. -- Berwick-upon-Tweed. He had protests. A lot of people oppose
:26:14. > :26:17.UKIP. And we have had a UKIP MP in Scotland, unfortunately. The idea of
:26:18. > :26:23.this political dividing line is a nonsense. If you were to divide the
:26:24. > :26:29.UK politically, you would have to go to Wales and round Bristol and back
:26:30. > :26:34.again. That is not a rational reason for voting for independence. We'll
:26:35. > :26:40.Yes campaigners make the most of this and say there is a likelihood
:26:41. > :26:48.after a referendum that the UK would leave the EU so to stay in a single
:26:49. > :26:52.market, you have to vote Yes? -- will Yes campaigners. This is
:26:53. > :26:57.worrying and we are seeing a move to the right. And a likelihood of
:26:58. > :27:02.coming out of Europe. Douglas is saying many people do not vote for
:27:03. > :27:08.UKIP across the UK and that is right, but Scotland is definitely
:27:09. > :27:12.does not. It is very different from the way we are responding to this
:27:13. > :27:22.call for change. We are responding very differently. And I think this
:27:23. > :27:29.will harden some of the voters. David Cameron is in Glasgow this
:27:30. > :27:37.evening for a scaled-down dinner. Will it be a shot in the arm for
:27:38. > :27:57.Better Together? We asked viewers. Tony says...
:27:58. > :28:09.Audrey, what do you think this visit will do for Better Together? It is
:28:10. > :28:15.another day trip to Scotland. I think it is not good news for Better
:28:16. > :28:24.Together. Any more than it is good news for the rest of the people of
:28:25. > :28:31.Scotland. Is his presence here toxic? We are in a situation where
:28:32. > :28:34.that is the way we are describing the Prime Minister of the country,
:28:35. > :28:39.so clearly, there is a democratic problem. Better Together have a
:28:40. > :28:46.problem when David Cameron, who should be a big hitter, is not seem
:28:47. > :28:53.like that in Scotland. There are a surprisingly number of people who do
:28:54. > :28:57.see him like that. At both the Yes and No campaigns Scottish campaigns.
:28:58. > :29:01.-- but both. The subtext of the criticism is that they want to turn
:29:02. > :29:06.this into the Scottish Government against the UK Government. And that
:29:07. > :29:09.would be fundamentally wrong. We are debating where government should
:29:10. > :29:17.set, not the pros and cons of David Cameron's of and or Alex Salmond's
:29:18. > :29:21.government. -- David Cameron's government. So if Alex Salmond wants
:29:22. > :29:26.to take on David Cameron because he thinks he will built them, that is a
:29:27. > :29:30.false respect. It is about us debating between the two Scottish
:29:31. > :29:36.campaigns, not about the two governments. It is about where the
:29:37. > :29:43.power lies and that lies in Westminster. And he is the leader of
:29:44. > :29:49.Westminster. We're arguing about whether power should live.
:29:50. > :29:53.I'll be back at the same time on Monday.
:29:54. > :30:06.Go away if you don't me to speak to you like that!
:30:07. > :30:10.Most schools exclude disruptive pupils.
:30:11. > :30:14.I ain't putting up with this any more.
:30:15. > :30:18.But one school takes them in and promises five GCSEs.