:01:02. > :01:04.With just a fortnight left to go the Labour Party were trying to
:01:05. > :01:07.outdo the Yes campaign over who could deliver more social justice.
:01:08. > :01:09.And he's big, bad and blue with ginger hair.
:01:10. > :01:17.The big question is, is Scotland's comic book hero Saltire Yes or No?
:01:18. > :01:20.David Cameron says he will not rule out air strikes against
:01:21. > :01:22.Islamic State which is holding a British hostage.
:01:23. > :01:25.The crisis will dominate the NATO summit for the next couple
:01:26. > :01:28.of days which will also have to consider the Alliance's response to
:01:29. > :01:31.If representatives of an independent Scotland were
:01:32. > :01:34.at the meeting, what would they be saying and how would our foreign
:01:35. > :01:38.In a moment I will be talking to the SNP's defence spokesman,
:01:39. > :01:51.The threat from the Islamic State and the crisis in Ukraine is
:01:52. > :01:57.dominating the NATO summit, but at the back of David Cameron's mind the
:01:58. > :02:01.possibility of an independent Scotland, one that would seek to
:02:02. > :02:08.remain in NATO but also remove Trident. The SNP plans a
:02:09. > :02:14.postindependence Scottish defence force of 15,000 regular personnel
:02:15. > :02:20.and 5000 reservists on the defence budget of ?2.5 billion. In a letter
:02:21. > :02:25.last weekend the former deputy supreme Allied Commander in Europe
:02:26. > :02:30.made it clear he was not impressed. Having reviewed the Scottish
:02:31. > :02:34.Government's White Paper I found the proposal is amateurish, and
:02:35. > :02:39.realistic and lacking any clear strategic purpose. It is highly
:02:40. > :02:44.unlikely NATO will agree to any further expansion and there could be
:02:45. > :02:48.no certainty about Scottish membership of NATO. However, the
:02:49. > :02:53.former UK ambassador to NATO wrote to the same paper to make it clear
:02:54. > :02:59.she disagreed with the assessment and was in no doubt the other 28
:03:00. > :03:05.NATO allies would see it in their interests to welcome an independent
:03:06. > :03:09.Scotland into NATO. NATO was founded after the Second World War and many
:03:10. > :03:13.of the ships and armaments were built along the Clyde.
:03:14. > :03:19.This crane is all that remains of John Brown's shipyard. 10,000 men
:03:20. > :03:24.once worked here building some of the finest ships the world has ever
:03:25. > :03:27.seen and some of the deadliest. Warships of such destructive force
:03:28. > :03:33.that helped Britain maintain its world empire. Today the site is home
:03:34. > :03:39.to a college and the weapons of mass of destructive force can be found
:03:40. > :03:42.further down the river at Faslane. The Scottish Government remains
:03:43. > :03:50.determined to remove nuclear weapons from Scottish soil, but they want to
:03:51. > :03:54.remain in NATO. Opponents argue this is simply hypocrisy, sheltering
:03:55. > :04:00.behind someone else's nuclear deterrent. And what about the cost
:04:01. > :04:05.of NATO membership? NATO members are supposed to spend at least 2% of
:04:06. > :04:10.their GDP on defence, though in practice many do not. Using the
:04:11. > :04:15.Scottish Government's own estimates for GDP that equates to ?3.5
:04:16. > :04:27.billion, nearly ?1 billion more than it is proposing. Would an
:04:28. > :04:31.independent Scotland stand just as secure in the world?
:04:32. > :04:35.Earlier I spoke to the leader of the SNP at Westminster and their defence
:04:36. > :04:40.spokesperson Andrew Robertson and I asked him if he was at the summit,
:04:41. > :04:45.what response would he be advocating to Isis. We need to be clear about
:04:46. > :04:50.how much of a threat it is. It is a massive threat in the Middle East.
:04:51. > :04:54.It has been destabilising countries which have nascent democratic
:04:55. > :05:01.governments, those that are more authoritarian, but it is also an
:05:02. > :05:07.ideology based on conquest, murder and has the potential to export that
:05:08. > :05:11.threat to other countries. It has to be taken that seriously. At the same
:05:12. > :05:16.time given the experience we had with Syria we have to be careful
:05:17. > :05:23.that one does not just reach for the quickest response, the military
:05:24. > :05:28.response. I think one has to keep all options on the table, but one
:05:29. > :05:34.has to do so whilst building the broadest coalition, taking an
:05:35. > :05:38.approach which is consistent with international law and bring the
:05:39. > :05:41.world with you. What do you think of the Government response so far to
:05:42. > :05:46.the UK hostage who has been threatened with death? I am
:05:47. > :05:52.supportive of the Prime Minister and the tone he has taken on this
:05:53. > :05:58.issue. We cannot bow to hostage takers and terrorists. I think he is
:05:59. > :06:02.right and understandably we do not hear about it in the public realm,
:06:03. > :06:06.but we will be looking at a full range of options about how we can
:06:07. > :06:11.help somebody in those circumstances. I am not privy to the
:06:12. > :06:15.plans, but I have no doubt the Prime Minister wishes to do everything he
:06:16. > :06:20.can within his power to help this hostage and others and I wish him
:06:21. > :06:24.and everybody else well involved in trying to make that happen. Do you
:06:25. > :06:33.envisage when an independent Scotland would ever invade
:06:34. > :06:37.militarily? Yes, we are able to properly fund our forces to make the
:06:38. > :06:44.difference and there are places where we could make a difference. On
:06:45. > :06:47.the sea in the Horn of Africa where there is a European Union and NATO
:06:48. > :06:54.deployment to deal with piracy. It is not just about defence of the
:06:55. > :06:59.round, but we also have to be there to support the United Nations when
:07:00. > :07:05.they need help. General Sir Richard Sheriff, one of the UK's most senior
:07:06. > :07:11.military figures, he has just stood down, says your defence plans are
:07:12. > :07:15.amateurish, realistic and lacking any strategic purpose. He has
:07:16. > :07:20.clearly not read the White Paper produced by the Scottish Government
:07:21. > :07:25.which is fully costed. The structure of the defence forces are listed in
:07:26. > :07:28.detail. The advice of the Scottish Government court was wrong extremely
:07:29. > :07:36.senior and very professional until recently serving senior officers in
:07:37. > :07:41.the British Armed Forces. I take a different view from the general, as
:07:42. > :07:46.does of course until recently the serving British Ambassador to NATO.
:07:47. > :07:51.This week he said an independent Scotland would be welcomed in NATO
:07:52. > :07:57.and she is voting yes in the referendum. I am on her side of the
:07:58. > :08:01.argument. What I NATO going to think about it when you apply for
:08:02. > :08:08.membership when you say you will spend less than 1.5% of GDP when
:08:09. > :08:13.members are required to spend 2%. We have looked closely at what our
:08:14. > :08:19.neighbours do. The country that does more closely what we do is Denmark.
:08:20. > :08:24.They have a very strong maritime focus as would we. Our plans are for
:08:25. > :08:28.a closer alignment in defence spending terms, but also in
:08:29. > :08:32.capabilities. I have read really heard British Prime Minister 's
:08:33. > :08:37.praising the abilities of the Danes and the role they play within NATO
:08:38. > :08:42.and that is what Scotland would do. If there is a yes vote there will be
:08:43. > :08:47.at least a tricky 18 months of negotiations with Westminster about
:08:48. > :08:51.the separation and defence would be at the heart of that. Trident is
:08:52. > :08:56.probably your best trump card when it comes to getting other things you
:08:57. > :09:02.want. How much wriggle room is on there when you were expelled Trident
:09:03. > :09:07.weapons? Can you give them an extra decade in return for concessions
:09:08. > :09:11.from Westminster. As with all negotiations it is a good idea to
:09:12. > :09:17.think yourself into the position of the other party in the negotiations.
:09:18. > :09:20.I have spoken to many people in London and they themselves would
:09:21. > :09:25.wish Trident to move as quickly as they can possibly move it. It is
:09:26. > :09:28.then both of our interests that they will have to move the submarine
:09:29. > :09:35.south. It is not just because that is what people have voted for, but
:09:36. > :09:40.decision-makers in London will also want it to happen as speedily as
:09:41. > :09:46.Happel. Senior figures in the UK have warned that the rest of the UK
:09:47. > :09:52.will be less secure as a result. Do you care about that? Yes, I do, and
:09:53. > :09:56.the accusation it would be less secure is false. It is right to
:09:57. > :10:02.appreciate the decision-makers in the rest of the UK will want to make
:10:03. > :10:07.sure that Scotland takes defence and security seriously. That is why we
:10:08. > :10:12.updated the policy and we have a costed proposal on defence and
:10:13. > :10:17.security and we have looked at our strategic location. A safer Scotland
:10:18. > :10:21.is a safer north of Britain, something the UK does not take
:10:22. > :10:25.seriously at the present time and Scotland does. We will have
:10:26. > :10:30.frigates, ocean patrol vessels, we will do what we need to do to secure
:10:31. > :10:38.the north of Britain. The rest of the UK will no Scotland is taking
:10:39. > :10:44.its responsibilities -- seriously. Angus Robertson, thank you very
:10:45. > :10:49.much. Listening to the interview was Lord George Robertson, no relation,
:10:50. > :10:54.but he was previously the UK defence minister. You have made dire
:10:55. > :10:59.warnings in the past about how Scotland breaking away from the UK
:11:00. > :11:03.could affect the UK's defence capacity. How would an independent
:11:04. > :11:09.Scotland diminish the ability to respond to what is happening in
:11:10. > :11:13.Iraq. First of all, the break-up of Britain would virtually remove the
:11:14. > :11:18.second military power in the West from what is going on in the world
:11:19. > :11:24.today. The creation of a separate state would mean we would have about
:11:25. > :11:29.three or four years of detailed negotiations I'm picking 300 years
:11:30. > :11:35.of integrating, including military integration. We will not really be a
:11:36. > :11:41.player at a time when Vladimir Putin is waving his nuclear weapons in the
:11:42. > :11:45.air and this horrible ices organisation is trampling over Iraq
:11:46. > :11:49.and Syria. This is the last possible time you would have thought for the
:11:50. > :11:53.idea that the break-up of Britain would be in any way good for the
:11:54. > :11:59.security of this country and the world. David Cameron says he has not
:12:00. > :12:03.ruled out air strikes in Iraq. The UK military could carry on with
:12:04. > :12:08.joining in with the Americans in air strikes whilst negotiating with an
:12:09. > :12:13.independent Scotland. I am not sure a decision would have to be taken
:12:14. > :12:17.about air strikes. When we conducted air strikes in Kosovo to save
:12:18. > :12:25.hundreds of people from death and destruction, the leader of the SNP,
:12:26. > :12:30.the now First Minister of Scotland, said that was unpardonable folly. I
:12:31. > :12:34.am not sure the separate Scottish state will have the toughness of
:12:35. > :12:38.mind to take what action is required to protect the world from these
:12:39. > :12:44.dangers that we are facing at the moment. In the past you have said
:12:45. > :12:47.breaking up the UK would be cataclysmic in geopolitical terms
:12:48. > :12:52.and the forces of darkness would welcome it. Why would it diminish
:12:53. > :12:58.the UK's defence capacity where it would make much difference to the
:12:59. > :13:03.forces of darkness? The dictionary definition of cataclysmic is a
:13:04. > :13:06.sudden and violent upheaval. The break-up of Britain would be a
:13:07. > :13:12.sudden and violent upheaval in the architecture of the security of the
:13:13. > :13:15.West at a time when we are facing unparalleled challenges to the
:13:16. > :13:21.security and the standards of living that we have in this country. That
:13:22. > :13:25.is what we are talking about, breaking up Britain and its armed
:13:26. > :13:30.forces. Angus Robertson sounds so nice and reasonable when you
:13:31. > :13:34.interview him in his Westminster office, but the fact is they want to
:13:35. > :13:41.take frigates out of the Royal Navy. They want to take Typhoon S
:13:42. > :13:45.out of the RAF and they want to take regiments out of the British Army.
:13:46. > :13:55.If that does not weaken the British Armed Forces, what will? At a time
:13:56. > :13:59.when I says, a horrible, terrible organisation, which is not only
:14:00. > :14:05.threatening people in the Middle East, but will start threatening in
:14:06. > :14:09.us in this country as well, to diminish the power and influence of
:14:10. > :14:13.the UK at this time is completely irresponsible and it would be an
:14:14. > :14:19.upheaval basically to the standards we have in the West. Any action
:14:20. > :14:23.taken against Isis will be a coalition of different countries
:14:24. > :14:29.acting in concert. The same with Ukraine. Scotland could take part in
:14:30. > :14:38.that coalition and be one more country?
:14:39. > :14:45.You have to go through the transition involved. If after 100
:14:46. > :14:48.years, like Norway and Denmark, which they quote, you might have
:14:49. > :14:51.Armed Forces with the cohesion and manoeuvrability that would allow it
:14:52. > :14:56.to take part properly in NATO operations. But they want to smash
:14:57. > :15:01.apart the British Armed Forces in order to create out of it a separate
:15:02. > :15:05.Scottish date and a separate remainder of the United Kingdom. So
:15:06. > :15:10.we're a long way away from that separate Scottish state being able
:15:11. > :15:16.to participate in these missions. As I see, the Nationalist party in
:15:17. > :15:20.Scotland condemned the action we took in Kosovo to save hundreds of
:15:21. > :15:26.thousands of lives. So I am not confident that the leadership would
:15:27. > :15:29.want to be part of a Coalition that felt it necessary to deal with these
:15:30. > :15:40.savages that are operating in northern Iraq. Angus Robertson
:15:41. > :15:42.raised the question of Trident, he said the UK military establishment
:15:43. > :15:47.would want to remove it as quickly as they possibly could from
:15:48. > :15:50.Scotland. Is he right about that? This is part of the hopeless
:15:51. > :15:58.optimism and assumptions. I do not know who Angus Robertson has been
:15:59. > :16:02.speaking to, but no-one I know an expat world of Armed Forces things
:16:03. > :16:08.you can remove the Trident system from Scotland in that sort of length
:16:09. > :16:12.of time. And who is NATO going to approach a new country, brand-new
:16:13. > :16:17.country, applying for membership, which is simultaneously going to
:16:18. > :16:21.disarm another country, in the United Kingdom, which is part and
:16:22. > :16:27.parcel of the nuclear alliance that the SNP for generations has opposed?
:16:28. > :16:34.The former UK ambassador to NATO said Scotland would be welcomed in.
:16:35. > :16:37.She is entitled to her opinion. But not another ambassador to NATO I
:16:38. > :16:44.have spoken to in the last 24 hours I got these. -- agrees. She knows
:16:45. > :16:48.how difficult it would be to get 28 countries around the table to agree
:16:49. > :16:52.to Scotland becoming a member Wyn Edwards simultaneously take the kind
:16:53. > :17:00.of unilateral action that has been threatened over the Trident case. --
:17:01. > :17:06.a member while simultaneously taking. There have been heavy
:17:07. > :17:10.conditions laid down previously. I have experience of that. This is not
:17:11. > :17:15.off the top of my head. It would be very difficult, no matter what any
:17:16. > :17:20.particular ex-ambassador says. In two weeks' time,
:17:21. > :17:22.the polls will have closed. The people will have spoken and
:17:23. > :17:24.the analysts will be desperately, But, in the meantime,
:17:25. > :17:28.the campaigns were out today, fighting over who can deliver
:17:29. > :17:30.a more socially just society. And in a new narrative twist,
:17:31. > :17:33.the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, seems to be distancing himself
:17:34. > :17:43.from his Better Together partners. You have a Tory Government for
:17:44. > :17:47.social injustice when we believe in social justice. The Government
:17:48. > :17:51.supports energy companies and we would freeze energy bills. They set
:17:52. > :17:57.the minimum wage for low paid people to law and we would bring attire. It
:17:58. > :18:03.would mean more powers for the Scottish Parliament. In this
:18:04. > :18:09.campaign, Ed Miliband and David Cameron are two peas in a pod. They
:18:10. > :18:13.have pledged conservative policies and they have no credibility left
:18:14. > :18:15.whatsoever. In our Edinburgh studio is
:18:16. > :18:22.the Guardian's Severin Carrell. It sounds like Ed Miliband is
:18:23. > :18:27.confused about which election campaign he came to fight. Attacking
:18:28. > :18:30.the Tories as if this is the 2015 general election rather than the
:18:31. > :18:35.referendum where he is in partnership with the Tories. It
:18:36. > :18:38.exemplifies the Labour conundrum. They are not in power in London or
:18:39. > :18:42.Edinburgh and everything they seem to do at the moment is to try and
:18:43. > :18:47.impress a Scottish voters that if they do back a no vote on the 18th
:18:48. > :18:52.and Ford Labour next year, they will somehow get a complete reform on the
:18:53. > :18:57.way the UK works. It is a fairly elaborate proposition to put to
:18:58. > :19:01.voters. What Alex Salmond is clearly trying to do is suggest to the
:19:02. > :19:05.electorate in Scotland before the referendum that only he can offer
:19:06. > :19:11.the opportunity to make a decisive difference. In a sense, seeking to
:19:12. > :19:13.show that Miliband is impotent at the moment and they have the power
:19:14. > :19:18.in their hands. They have this golden opportunity to make a
:19:19. > :19:27.profound difference. Miliband is on a real difficulty here. -- is in. He
:19:28. > :19:30.has an overarching problem about the future of the UK and any shorter
:19:31. > :19:34.tactical problem about how to deal with the Tories in 2015. I'm trying
:19:35. > :19:40.to make those works simultaneously is going to prove something of a
:19:41. > :19:44.juggling act. At the same time as we have Ed Miliband here at hacking the
:19:45. > :19:48.Tories on social justice policies, Alex Salmond is seeking to portray
:19:49. > :19:53.him as much the same, he said the Aral peas in a pod because they are
:19:54. > :20:00.in the better cup -- they Aral peas in a pod. That is a tenuous position
:20:01. > :20:03.for him to take. He might try, but what he seeking to do is not
:20:04. > :20:08.necessarily persuade Scottish voters that is the case, but push Labour
:20:09. > :20:14.into trying to differentiate itself and break up the Better Together
:20:15. > :20:18.Coalition. This has a different set of dynamics. On one hand, he has
:20:19. > :20:22.delivered its support out of disaffected Labour voters to build
:20:23. > :20:26.up a yes vote. He is also seeking to show that the Better Together
:20:27. > :20:30.campaign is split. He puts Alistair Darling under pressure and it allows
:20:31. > :20:35.the pro-independence movement to show that, actually, there are all
:20:36. > :20:39.these tensions and conflicts amongst the UK parties that on another
:20:40. > :20:44.issue, which is more powers for Scotland, are supposed to be
:20:45. > :20:49.unified. It is quite a clever gambit. The idea that people buy the
:20:50. > :20:55.notion that Miliband is the same as the Tories, I think has little
:20:56. > :20:58.traction to it. Ed Miliband was trying to position himself as the
:20:59. > :21:02.only person to deliver social justice, saying that the SNP want to
:21:03. > :21:08.cut corporation tax. Only he would raise the top rate of tax to 50p.
:21:09. > :21:14.Will that work? Suggesting that the SNP at the right of Labour? They
:21:15. > :21:19.will make a very good attempt to prove that case. There is the
:21:20. > :21:28.difference between a UK Government which actually does have the levers
:21:29. > :21:31.of power over these issues, and the Scottish Government, which does not
:21:32. > :21:36.have those levers and has never been in a position to deliver on those
:21:37. > :21:40.policies. The difficulty they have, I think, is that a lot of the
:21:41. > :21:44.arguments they have to present to the Scottish electorate are
:21:45. > :21:49.relatively killed and at a late stage in the campaign. -- relatively
:21:50. > :21:52.detailed. The SNP have attacked this issue with simple notion of
:21:53. > :22:00.protecting the NHS, protect welfare, fought for independence. And trying
:22:01. > :22:04.to make a substantive dent in that proposition for Labour is known to
:22:05. > :22:07.be something of a trial in. They will try very hard, that is
:22:08. > :22:10.undoubtedly the case. -- something of a challenge.
:22:11. > :22:13.And now it's time for Jonathan, our very own action hero.
:22:14. > :22:15.In these uncertain times, could Scotland do with
:22:16. > :22:21.And his latest instalment is coming out very soon, just in time for the
:22:22. > :22:30.I've been to meet the Dundee-based team behind Saltire.
:22:31. > :22:37.He is bigger blue with ginger hair and Saltire is about to star in his
:22:38. > :22:46.second graphic novel. Saltire Crossing Scottish superhero. -- is a
:22:47. > :22:51.Scottish. He is a genuine heroic character to compete with the likes
:22:52. > :22:55.of Spiderman, Superman and Batman. Let's take the cliches and do the
:22:56. > :23:00.opposite. He is awesome, but yes he's ginger and has a big beard. A
:23:01. > :23:07.lot of people say Scottish people are so peel the blue, so we took
:23:08. > :23:13.that and ran with it. -- they are blue. He stands up for the underdogs
:23:14. > :23:22.and the people who need him, against all the invasions and stuff going
:23:23. > :23:29.on. We live in interesting times. It's Saltire yes or no? Both sides
:23:30. > :23:36.of this campaign would see the patriotic way Scottish. Saltire is
:23:37. > :23:42.definitely that. In terms of the political debate, he probably likes
:23:43. > :23:45.to remain neutral. He is basically indestructible. What are so
:23:46. > :23:52.superhero weakness? It is the quintessential Scottish problem. It
:23:53. > :23:56.is alcohol. Let's hope Saltire winces battle with the Demon drink.
:23:57. > :23:58.One critic wondered if saltire had been written by Alex Salmond, but
:23:59. > :24:04.his creators insist he is neutral. And joining us this evening to mull
:24:05. > :24:07.over today's highlights and lowlights from
:24:08. > :24:09.the campaign trail, the journalist and political commentator,
:24:10. > :24:11.David Torrance, and Susan Stewart She's also the former Communications
:24:12. > :24:25.Director for the Yes campaign. Let's get straight to the referendum
:24:26. > :24:30.campaign today. The RMT union became the first trade union to come out
:24:31. > :24:37.and back the Yes campaign. 44% of members voting yes, 41% 14 no.
:24:38. > :24:40.Nicola Sturgeon said this was a humiliation for Ed Miliband as he
:24:41. > :24:49.was campaigning north of the border today. -- 41% said no. It is bad
:24:50. > :24:51.timing for his visit. A sign I suppose of increasing momentum
:24:52. > :24:54.amongst that section of the electorate. Traditional
:24:55. > :24:59.working-class Labour voters. Labour are keen to point out it was a
:25:00. > :25:04.minority of the vote. It was quite close and a majority actually backed
:25:05. > :25:09.no or did not take a position. But to have a trade union for more oil
:25:10. > :25:12.on board as a significant coup for the Yes campaign. For the ordinary
:25:13. > :25:19.photo, doesn't matter of a trade union backs the Yes campaign? It
:25:20. > :25:24.does. This trade union balloted members rather than the leadership
:25:25. > :25:30.deciding which position it took. The democratic ballot of the members,
:25:31. > :25:35.they chose to support yes. That means ordinary trade union members
:25:36. > :25:41.see that the rights, any progress they have made, better maintained
:25:42. > :25:45.and indeed advanced in a yes vote rather than the status quo. To pick
:25:46. > :25:51.David up on the Labour line that many people did not vote, that is
:25:52. > :26:02.like the 1970 940% thing, where we count the dead. -- 1979 40%. There
:26:03. > :26:05.was a rare moment of agreement between Alex Salmond and David
:26:06. > :26:08.Cameron. He told reporters that if the referendum does not go their
:26:09. > :26:13.way, they will not resign. David Cameron will stay as prime minister
:26:14. > :26:20.if there is a yes vote, Alex Salmond if there is a no vote. Is that
:26:21. > :26:24.tenable? It is more tenable for Alex Salmond. If it is now, it will be
:26:25. > :26:30.narrow. Alex Salmond's mandate in 2011 is pretty good. So I think
:26:31. > :26:34.there's less pressure him. David Cameron would be immensely damaged
:26:35. > :26:37.if there was a yes vote, however. He will be a Prime Minister who
:26:38. > :26:42.presided over the break-up of the UK. It is difficult to see him
:26:43. > :26:45.surviving that. The elements in his party who already do not like him,
:26:46. > :26:51.the Euro-sceptics, would move in for the kill. It is nine months before
:26:52. > :26:54.the general election. A short timescale in which to change your
:26:55. > :26:59.leader and the Prime Minister and Boris Johnson will not be in
:27:00. > :27:03.Westminster yet to challenge. And David Cameron would be the prime
:27:04. > :27:06.minister refused to debate the First Minister, which everyone wants to
:27:07. > :27:10.see. Have read that there are mammals in the Tory party that if it
:27:11. > :27:19.is a yes vote, they would kiss poor and bringing in emergency
:27:20. > :27:29.legislation to Poste born the general election. -- they would
:27:30. > :27:35.postpone and bring in. Is Ed Miliband helping Better Together?
:27:36. > :27:42.Some of his comments sounds like he is fighting a different campaign.
:27:43. > :27:52.The battle for social justice is a good and important area. As you saw
:27:53. > :27:55.in your programme last night, the policies relating to Regis should
:27:56. > :28:00.wealth, they struggled on that front. It is a difficult argument
:28:01. > :28:03.for Labour to make. On welfare, they appear to be closer to the
:28:04. > :28:10.Conservatives. But they do not want to cut corporation tax, and that is
:28:11. > :28:15.a position to the left of the SNP and Yes campaign in terms of social
:28:16. > :28:18.justice. Sad news this evening. Joan Rivers has died this evening after a
:28:19. > :28:28.cardiac arrest. Let's remember her at her best. Please! Are we going
:28:29. > :28:32.back to that? Are you kidding? No man has ever put his hand up a
:28:33. > :28:39.woman's dress looking for a library card! She perform stand-up to the
:28:40. > :28:43.end and had her own reality show until recently. A much of a pioneer
:28:44. > :28:50.in of women comedy and what legacy has she left? A pretty big one. Big
:28:51. > :29:02.break was almost half a century ago. She just did not care. She was very
:29:03. > :29:06.risky and pushed the boundaries of comedy. I interviewed her ten years
:29:07. > :29:10.ago and she was an absolute hoot. The humour came through the air and
:29:11. > :29:12.she gave me perfume for my mother. We have to leave it there, David.
:29:13. > :29:18.I'll be back at the new time of ten o'clock on Monday night.