:00:00. > :00:00.It must be serious when the politicians start swearing.
:00:00. > :00:08.You have been warned - there has been bad language out
:00:09. > :00:31.Scotland was treated to a visit from all three UK party leaders today.
:00:32. > :00:34.All in different places but all here to tell us why they
:00:35. > :00:39.David Cameron got a bit fruity when he said that people shouldn't
:00:40. > :00:43.vote yes just to give the effing Tories a kicking.
:00:44. > :00:47.Whilst Labour's former deputy leader John Prescott, in Rutherglen today,
:00:48. > :00:49.said Cameron's visit was a "bloody hindrance".
:00:50. > :00:53.So much for happy families in the no camp.
:00:54. > :00:56.Tonight we'll be asking if it was good idea for the gang that Alex
:00:57. > :00:59.Salmond called "Team Westminster" to come to Scotland at all?
:01:00. > :01:02.And we're talking to the leader of the Green Party
:01:03. > :01:06.And we'll be looking at what might happen to Scottish Tories
:01:07. > :01:15.We're talking to one who is voting yes.
:01:16. > :01:18.There is some good news for Better Together tonight.
:01:19. > :01:21.A new opinion poll for the Daily Record suggests they once
:01:22. > :01:25.That's not the result of the visit from three Westminster
:01:26. > :01:30.It will be a few days before we know what effect that has
:01:31. > :01:35.Alex Salmond was quick today to condemn what he called
:01:36. > :01:38."Team Westminster's" efforts as a last-ditch last-gasp.
:01:39. > :01:40.But all three men made emotional pleas for Scots to
:01:41. > :02:01.Because I would be heartbroken if this family of nations that we have
:02:02. > :02:04.put together and that we have done such amazing things together, if
:02:05. > :02:17.this family of nations was torn apart. I want to make the case to
:02:18. > :02:25.you from the hard, because of the ties that bind us together and which
:02:26. > :02:30.would be broken apart by separatism. This is a choice, a fundamental
:02:31. > :02:34.choice, in the mentor 's choice that will affect everyone, north and
:02:35. > :02:38.south of the border, which is therefore have. Who would have
:02:39. > :02:41.thought one week ago we would see the three main party leaders in
:02:42. > :02:46.Westminster, near to Scotland for what can only be described as a
:02:47. > :02:57.last-minute love bomb. But will it be enough to persuade voters to vote
:02:58. > :03:04.no on September 18? We're still 50-50. When you have seen the
:03:05. > :03:09.politicians coming up to persuade people to vote now from Westminster,
:03:10. > :03:13.could that change our mind? Maybe, yes, with everything that is
:03:14. > :03:20.happening and the fact they are so strong willed about it and so eager
:03:21. > :03:25.to get us back together. Me, no, I don't think so. I think it is too
:03:26. > :03:30.little too late. They should have thought this through very much at
:03:31. > :03:38.the beginning than going for Devo Max. They are crawling back now that
:03:39. > :03:43.we want independence saying, you, we want you, we want you back, we want
:03:44. > :03:50.a relationship, it is like breaking up with someone! Break-ups can be
:03:51. > :03:56.bad. If the no campaign was trying to love bomb us, but everyone was in
:03:57. > :04:06.a loving mood. Coming here with your 30 pieces of silver! 30 pieces of
:04:07. > :04:11.silver! And one politician knew he would never win any popularity
:04:12. > :04:16.contests. If you're fed up with the effing Tories, give them a kick and
:04:17. > :04:20.maybe we will get rid of them. This is totally different to a general
:04:21. > :04:26.election. This is a decision not about the next five years, it is
:04:27. > :04:33.about the next century. For one no voting businessman, it was not about
:04:34. > :04:35.love, it was about getting answers. The voters are scared to reject
:04:36. > :04:40.independence because they think if they rejected, they will be left
:04:41. > :04:45.with the status quo. I would like to find out what they are going to do
:04:46. > :04:48.from Alistair. It's a desperate and last-minute, it never looks good,
:04:49. > :04:52.but what will they do to make this about an option between gauge per
:04:53. > :05:01.hours per Scotland and reversal both separation? -- drink greater powers.
:05:02. > :05:06.They need to clarify the situation. The first Minister described this as
:05:07. > :05:18.panicked and said it would only push wavering voters into the arms of the
:05:19. > :05:24.yes campaigners. This is team Westminster panicking. Our campaign
:05:25. > :05:27.is a key test on jobs. We want a powerhouse parliament that can have
:05:28. > :05:33.jobs created. Team Westminster are just concerned about their own jobs.
:05:34. > :05:34.Who will win the heart and mind? One thing is for sure, nobody is taking
:05:35. > :05:36.the voters for granted. Joining me in the studio now,
:05:37. > :05:39.Spectator blogger and no supporter Alex Massie and columnist
:05:40. > :05:50.and yes supporter Ruth Wishart. Thank you both coming in, Alex, is
:05:51. > :05:54.it a good idea to have David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg
:05:55. > :05:58.all coming up to Scotland? It allows Alex Salmond to talk about team
:05:59. > :06:03.Westminster and put them in a to team Scotland which is how he always
:06:04. > :06:17.wanted to frame this debate. Yes, he wants it framed as a them and ask
:06:18. > :06:22.kind of argument. This is obviously is showing this. He thinks, just
:06:23. > :06:26.because I'm voting no, doesn't mean that I am anti-Scottish, the way you
:06:27. > :06:31.are suggesting. And what we will see here is in some senses, no
:06:32. > :06:34.supporters will be made more certain that they will vote no and yes
:06:35. > :06:38.supporters would be more convinced that yes is the right thing to do,
:06:39. > :06:45.and I do not think that today's events will change very much. Alex
:06:46. > :06:48.Salmond is convinced this is a boost for the yes campaign to have the
:06:49. > :06:54.Westminster people here, do you agree? I do not know, we will see in
:06:55. > :06:59.a few days. A mix of three guys that had forgotten for birthdays and
:07:00. > :07:06.three Valentine days and thought that they could pick up the flowers
:07:07. > :07:10.at the garage forecourt! If they had come up once a week every week for
:07:11. > :07:17.the last six months, the would be a point of it. To arrive mob handed in
:07:18. > :07:24.one day and to describe missing out PMQs is a great sacrifice, I do not
:07:25. > :07:28.buy that. It will possibly impact on the yes vote and possibly it will
:07:29. > :07:34.not, but I do not think they did themselves any favours either way.
:07:35. > :07:39.Does its little panicky? It is panicky. It is like they have woken
:07:40. > :07:45.up and thought oh, well, the jocks might do this, have very strange!
:07:46. > :07:48.Speaking to people inside the better together campaign, they are keen to
:07:49. > :07:55.suggest that there is an element of panic but it is not quite as
:07:56. > :07:57.panicking, it is panicking with a purpose. Which is true mind people
:07:58. > :08:04.of the enormity of the decision that Scotland faces next week. By doing
:08:05. > :08:07.that, they might persuade many voters that are flirting with the
:08:08. > :08:14.idea of voting yes to draw back from the cliff edge and think it is safer
:08:15. > :08:18.to vote no. Doesn't reinforce the problems of further devolution to
:08:19. > :08:21.make sure they are serious and delivering on that? Although they
:08:22. > :08:25.have promised further devolution, they have three different packages
:08:26. > :08:30.and they have no agreement as to which package they will deliver.
:08:31. > :08:34.Today, they had a case conference in advance and they decided what the
:08:35. > :08:38.line was, and it was that the referendum is for life, not just for
:08:39. > :08:44.Christmas, and they repeated that at five-minute intervals which is a
:08:45. > :08:48.potent message. Are English Tory MPs on board with these promises of
:08:49. > :08:54.further devolution? There are some mutterings about people that have
:08:55. > :08:56.had no idea that of the last few days what was being promised, even
:08:57. > :08:59.William Hague himself has said the statements made by the party leaders
:09:00. > :09:04.in the last two days are statements by party leaders in a campaign, not
:09:05. > :09:09.a statement of government policy. Even he doesn't sound like you
:09:10. > :09:12.signed up to it. That is because of the regulations of conduct of
:09:13. > :09:15.government policy during a referendum period, so they could
:09:16. > :09:28.introduce any form a new policy, but it is clear that something has to
:09:29. > :09:32.give and has to change, but backbench Tory MPs from the English
:09:33. > :09:35.side will have to do as they are told. They have to swallow a lot of
:09:36. > :09:38.things they disagree with as it is, and this is just one thing added to
:09:39. > :09:44.that lengthy list. Will they swallow that? I think that is a charitable
:09:45. > :09:46.view. It will be very, ferried difficult for them to deliver when
:09:47. > :09:53.most of the parties down south haven't got the foggiest of what is
:09:54. > :09:59.on offer, what is on the agenda, and the timetable is quite ridiculous.
:10:00. > :10:03.Ambitious, think is the word. I meant to say ambitious! The idea
:10:04. > :10:08.that it will come neatly and packages in November, January, in
:10:09. > :10:12.time for the election in 2015, that seems ambitious. There is no doubt
:10:13. > :10:15.that the Conservative Party didn't think that any Scotland Bill would
:10:16. > :10:19.be needed for the first Queen's Speech of the next Parliament.
:10:20. > :10:23.Events on the ground, contact with the enemy, that has caused them to
:10:24. > :10:26.reappraise that plan and they have realised that this will have to
:10:27. > :10:29.happen and happen much more quickly than they had previously planned.
:10:30. > :10:34.Thank you for coming to talk to us. So, as you've heard, Nick Clegg took
:10:35. > :10:37.to the streets of Selkirk to put Fiona Walker caught up with him
:10:38. > :10:42.in the Lib Dem stronghold of the borders and asked him if he was
:10:43. > :10:51.just preaching to the converted. I was keen to come here, it is part
:10:52. > :10:56.of the Scotland that I know well. Nothing can be taken for granted
:10:57. > :11:00.until the opinion polls are closed. This is a choice, it is not where we
:11:01. > :11:05.can make it one day and undo it the next. This is a fundamental, moment
:11:06. > :11:10.'s choice that will affect everyone north and south of the border, which
:11:11. > :11:14.is therefore ever. You cannot think of a bigger choice, and that is why
:11:15. > :11:18.it is right that people are going to every part of Scotland to make their
:11:19. > :11:27.views known on both sides of the Regiment. People are looking for a
:11:28. > :11:30.fact in all of this. Yesterday, your party signed up to this timetable, a
:11:31. > :11:34.definite timetable where there is some wishy-washy bill of stuff that
:11:35. > :11:39.we don't really know. We cannot really expect people to make up
:11:40. > :11:44.their mind on the basis of an unknown like that. It is not
:11:45. > :11:49.wishy-washy at all. Read the report from Menzies Campbell. Read that
:11:50. > :11:53.report. Read the Strathclyde report from the Conservatives, read what
:11:54. > :11:57.the Labour Party are proposing, look at what's David Cameron, Ed Miliband
:11:58. > :12:01.and I said on August five. This is the first time in my living memory
:12:02. > :12:06.that all parties have said that there will be new tax bands, new
:12:07. > :12:10.borrowing powers, new welfare control, and people say... You're
:12:11. > :12:17.all saying different things. Yellow marker there is a huge edible
:12:18. > :12:24.wrapping. -- there is a huge amount of overlapping. The status quo is
:12:25. > :12:27.gone. For someone that comes from a party, the Liberal party,
:12:28. > :12:32.campaigning for home rule for Scotland back in the 1880s, people
:12:33. > :12:38.say this as a last minute thing. We have campaigned on this for over a
:12:39. > :12:41.century and it is finally going to be delivered. That is an exciting
:12:42. > :12:47.prospect of change. For anyone believes as I do in greater home
:12:48. > :12:51.rule for Scotland, but within the stability and security of the family
:12:52. > :12:57.of nations of the UK, provided to all constituent parts of that United
:12:58. > :13:01.Kingdom. If you had been campaigning for this for so long, why did we
:13:02. > :13:06.only get this timetable yesterday? Some people have already had a
:13:07. > :13:10.postal vote. You'll marker the Campbell report that we published on
:13:11. > :13:16.home rule, the Strathclyde report, they came out months ago. The
:13:17. > :13:19.agreement from David Cameron, Ed Miliband and myself, for all three
:13:20. > :13:25.party leaders say devolution will happen, it will happen on the 5th of
:13:26. > :13:29.August. The nuts and bolts is that the final instalment is there, so
:13:30. > :13:34.everyone knows it will happen. I do not think it would be right for the
:13:35. > :13:37.three main parties to say, here is a tablet of stone, this is what will
:13:38. > :13:42.happen. We need to make sure, and this will happen from day one after
:13:43. > :13:45.the referendum, when I help the decision is taken that Scotland will
:13:46. > :13:50.remain part of the UK, that there will be a period of time when the
:13:51. > :14:07.people of Scotland, the Civic Society, the churches, communities,
:14:08. > :14:10.villages, towns and cities, they can make their views known about what
:14:11. > :14:13.this new, exciting chapter of devolution should include. That will
:14:14. > :14:15.be possible during our Toba and November and until the end of the
:14:16. > :14:18.year. Why do the coalition government not Oxford Ivo Max in the
:14:19. > :14:21.ballot paper? You cannot do this unless you first decide that
:14:22. > :14:25.Scotland will remain in the UK. You cannot have a decision about what is
:14:26. > :14:29.the next chapter of devolution unless you first decide that
:14:30. > :14:34.Scotland will remain a party of the United Kingdom in the first base. To
:14:35. > :14:44.have a mix and match of different questions and options, that would
:14:45. > :14:47.not be right, you have to have this family of nations for we had an
:14:48. > :14:53.extraordinary things with our generations, we have created the
:14:54. > :14:58.BBC, we created the NHS, Team GB has excelled in the London Olympics,
:14:59. > :15:02.these are things that we should celebrate now by retaining the UK
:15:03. > :15:06.and Scotland's place in it and then from day one, after that decision is
:15:07. > :15:10.taken, the next chapter of further devolution to Scotland can take
:15:11. > :15:19.place. Have you done enough to save the union? It is not my decision. It
:15:20. > :15:23.is for the people of Scotland. But clearly, the referendum campaign has
:15:24. > :15:28.entered into a very, very exciting final phase and that is why I think
:15:29. > :15:33.it is right that everybody should speak up for the kind of future that
:15:34. > :15:36.they believe in. My children and my grandchildren will be as affected by
:15:37. > :15:43.this momentous decision as anybody else. But they will not have a vote
:15:44. > :15:47.if they remain living in England. But it will still shape the family
:15:48. > :15:51.of nations of the UK, which as I say, we had an extraordinary things
:15:52. > :15:56.and we should be very proud. I believe there are huge differences
:15:57. > :15:59.between Scotland and England and being part of the UK, and we can
:16:00. > :16:02.celebrate those differences. They can develop further in the future
:16:03. > :16:04.without ripping apart and severing of these links that bind us all
:16:05. > :16:12.together. The No campaign also welcomed
:16:13. > :16:14.statements from a couple of large Standard Life who employ 5,000
:16:15. > :16:18.people in Scotland said they were planning to transfer some parts
:16:19. > :16:20.of their business to England While BP said they believe "that
:16:21. > :16:24.the future prospects for the North Sea are best served by maintaining
:16:25. > :16:27.the existing capacity and integrity Also, the governor of the bank
:16:28. > :16:33.of England Mark Carney appeared before the Treasury Select Committee
:16:34. > :16:37.in Westminster where he said an independent Scotland would have to
:16:38. > :16:41.keep over ?25 billion in reserve if it was to continue using the pound
:16:42. > :17:01.without a formal currency union. The other countries, like the Baltic
:17:02. > :17:13.states, they have a magnitude of reserves. The order of about 25%. So
:17:14. > :17:23.what do the Yes campaign make of that? Green MSP for Glasgow and Yes
:17:24. > :17:30.man Patrick Harvie joins me now. Three politcians up from
:17:31. > :17:37.Westminster. It does make it pretty clear that they had a very cobbled
:17:38. > :17:48.together meeting. That is how seriously they are taking it. This
:17:49. > :17:57.referendum has been taking three years. It has been coming for a long
:17:58. > :18:03.time. And yet we have this last minute, cobbled together a
:18:04. > :18:09.arrangement. It does not take Scotland seriously. All the debate.
:18:10. > :18:14.But does that matter? It is not about party leaders. Small parties
:18:15. > :18:24.or big parties. Not about television debates. It is happening freight
:18:25. > :18:28.across the country. I think a sense of an momentum, Scotland and
:18:29. > :18:34.democracy have already won. Nothing is going to be the same again, which
:18:35. > :18:43.ever way it goes. I think it will be better with the Yes vote but
:18:44. > :18:47.democracy has changed. When people have conversations they are going to
:18:48. > :18:59.be influenced by economic factors, like Standard Life, and the Governor
:19:00. > :19:07.of the Bank of England. That is going to affect the conversations?
:19:08. > :19:18.Absolutely. I think most people can't be clear, negotiation about
:19:19. > :19:28.currency, compromise, it can only come about in the event of the Yes
:19:29. > :19:37.vote. -- can. People think Standard Life will send jobs to England. That
:19:38. > :19:43.is going to make them worried. I suspect what BP really mean is the
:19:44. > :19:54.future of status quo policy on North Sea oil. It is not just to pursue
:19:55. > :20:02.another 30 or 40 years. It is to use a shorter term, to fund transition
:20:03. > :20:09.away. As the ridges are reliance on fossil fuels, we have got the
:20:10. > :20:18.resources and police to transition towards renewables. Not just handing
:20:19. > :20:24.them to another bunch of multinationals, but a mix of
:20:25. > :20:27.private, public and community owned. That is the exciting future Scotland
:20:28. > :20:32.has not only every take responsibility for setting those
:20:33. > :20:44.policies. An opinion poll in the daily record shows that 53% say they
:20:45. > :20:55.are going to vote no. 47% in favour of the Yes vote. It suggests
:20:56. > :21:10.momentum may not be moving? Have different methodologies. -- The
:21:11. > :21:15.different polls have. 70, 80% will hopefully take part in this. A large
:21:16. > :21:20.part of the electorate that have been ignoring elections. A lot of
:21:21. > :21:27.them will be younger people, people from socially deprived locations,
:21:28. > :21:35.less likely to have landlines. This is one of the exciting things, the
:21:36. > :21:38.idea that an electorate, the public, it is weakening and remembering that
:21:39. > :21:50.they are in peril, not people like myself, MPs, we are supposed to be
:21:51. > :21:57.the servants. -- in power. If that can last after the referendum, in
:21:58. > :21:59.either scenario, I want a Yes vote, but it could be the most important
:22:00. > :22:08.thing that has happened in Scotland. You may think that it's cut and dry
:22:09. > :22:11.when it comes to supporters of the Conservative and Unionist party and
:22:12. > :22:14.their position on the referendum... Tonight, though, we'll hear
:22:15. > :22:18.from one Tory who's voting Yes next What does the future hold
:22:19. > :22:31.for Conservatism in Scotland Sir Anthony back at Number ten. The
:22:32. > :22:35.1950s was a fantastic time for the Conservatives. They won the more
:22:36. > :22:42.seeds of any party in Scotland. No other party has done it since. But
:22:43. > :22:46.the Conservatives have spent time trying to remain relevant in
:22:47. > :22:53.Scotland. They are called the Conservative and Unionist party. But
:22:54. > :23:04.they have not always shied away from Gavin Powers to Scotland. -- giving.
:23:05. > :23:12.We give the people of Scotland participation in the making of all
:23:13. > :23:18.decisions that affect them and to do this within the United Kingdom.
:23:19. > :23:23.After the 1979 referendum field to deliver a Scottish Government, they
:23:24. > :23:27.were epitomised by Margaret Thatcher. Not that popular in
:23:28. > :23:38.Scotland. At its lowest point, was it leaked out in 1997. -- wiped.
:23:39. > :23:41.Ironically, it is under the devolution system, something they
:23:42. > :23:53.opposed... That the art insightful in Scotland. -- That they are a
:23:54. > :23:55.slight force. Joining me now, Spectator blogger Alex Massie who we
:23:56. > :23:57.spoke to earlier, and Moray Macdonald, former director of the
:23:58. > :24:03.Scottish Conservative Party and former Tory candidate for
:24:04. > :24:15.Westminster. You have come out of the closet as a Yes vote? It was not
:24:16. > :24:28.very difficult for me. I want to bring democracy closer to the
:24:29. > :24:41.people. How rare a species OC? -- is he? Very. The yes campaign has in
:24:42. > :24:46.many ways the Nant and tight Conservative campaign. No effort has
:24:47. > :24:58.been made to persuade Tories to support the cause. You do not need
:24:59. > :25:07.many buses to carry Conservatives who well be supporting the Yes vote.
:25:08. > :25:17.One of the things that is frustrating me is that increasingly,
:25:18. > :25:25.people feel detached from Westminster. Actually, Scottish MSP
:25:26. > :25:38.is also feel quite detached. Then I go to The Wanted, and the view
:25:39. > :25:48.Scotland very differently. -- When I go to London. The fundamental reason
:25:49. > :25:53.I think this is important, it is because the Conservatives have brand
:25:54. > :26:00.issues, but potentially, a very strong centre-right vote. No
:26:01. > :26:06.Parliament, they do not have the power. It is pretty marginal. We are
:26:07. > :26:09.not going to have a powerful parliament until the people are
:26:10. > :26:16.actually electing people who are responsible for taking the money out
:26:17. > :26:28.of your pocket. I agree with him on that. Labour boss of that, it is a
:26:29. > :26:32.Parliament with the peril to spend but not the power to raise money.
:26:33. > :26:40.Centre-right politics is always good to struggle when an auction of left
:26:41. > :26:49.of centre parties compete to see who can devote the greatest number of
:26:50. > :26:56.Swedes. -- sweets. Independence or an autonomous Scottish parliament
:26:57. > :27:02.would be a useful British ground. -- breeding. It is the Scottish
:27:03. > :27:06.Parliament that the Conservatives did not want to have. Elected by a
:27:07. > :27:11.system of proportional representation. That means you are
:27:12. > :27:18.not completely wiped out in Scotland? Politics is full of irony.
:27:19. > :27:21.Devolution probably was not the correct thing for Scotland.
:27:22. > :27:32.Independence will actually give us the peril that we want. -- power.
:27:33. > :27:35.Scotland will be a very strong player in the international
:27:36. > :27:41.community. I want a centre-right party to be a strong part of the
:27:42. > :27:50.Parliament. Would one of govern an independent Scotland? Who knows. The
:27:51. > :27:59.reality is that an independence referendum passion because
:28:00. > :28:04.monumental change. I suspect the Parliament, two or three after that,
:28:05. > :28:16.would be different. Look how different it is at the moment as it
:28:17. > :28:19.was in 9099. -- 1999. The natural divide in Scottish politics as
:28:20. > :28:26.between Labour and the Liberal Democrats, analyse, and a
:28:27. > :28:32.conservative alliance on the other side. I think you could say
:28:33. > :28:39.something like that. The alignment. When it comes to issues, mainly
:28:40. > :28:46.people in Scotland are actually in favour of many conservative
:28:47. > :28:48.policies... That visit. Thank you for watching. I'll be back at the
:28:49. > :29:33.same time tomorrow night. Do please join me then.
:29:34. > :29:36.This programme contains some strong language.