:00:09. > :00:09.The referendum rhetoric is getting louder.
:00:10. > :00:11.The country's future is in your hands.
:00:12. > :00:27.And the fight for your vote is getting fierce.
:00:28. > :00:29.Two very different visions for the future of Scotland were laid
:00:30. > :00:34.out today by the UK Prime Minister and the Scottish First Minister.
:00:35. > :00:38.The one thing they seem to agree on is that this is a once
:00:39. > :00:40.in a lifetime chance to decide the future of Scotland.
:00:41. > :00:44.Whether the vote is Yes or No we will not be doing it all again
:00:45. > :00:47.So whose vision will Scotland choose?
:00:48. > :00:51.This campaign has been the most expensive ever fought in Scotland.
:00:52. > :00:55.So where did the money come from and what was it spent on?
:00:56. > :00:58.And would you vote Yes if meant Scotland could win the World Cup?
:00:59. > :01:01.Vote No to see Scottish athletes succeed in Team GB in the Olympics?
:01:02. > :01:04.We'll look at the role sport plays in the referendum and how it
:01:05. > :01:17.David Cameron delivered a personal and a passionate speech
:01:18. > :01:21.in favour of continuing the United Kingdom in Aberdeen today.
:01:22. > :01:23.But once again he addressed an invited audience and didn't dare
:01:24. > :01:29.Alex Salmond meanwhile surrounded himself with Yes supporting business
:01:30. > :01:32.leaders trying to counter the threats from more big companies
:01:33. > :01:34.that independence would be bad for the economy.
:01:35. > :01:43.Our Political editor Brian Taylor has been watching the day?s events.
:01:44. > :01:51.A quiet word in a busy Hamilton cafe. Nicola Sturgeon promises that
:01:52. > :01:56.pensions will be protected and she urges the elderly to vote yes to
:01:57. > :02:08.improve prospects for the next generation. I believe that people
:02:09. > :02:16.understand the choice we have. I think people will port yes to keep
:02:17. > :02:21.control of the future of Scotland. On the other side of the campaign
:02:22. > :02:31.former Defence Secretary John Reid at the ship yard in Glasgow. It is
:02:32. > :02:36.not the national lottery. You cannot go back next week and asked for
:02:37. > :02:39.another ticket. It is not buying a car where you get warranty and you
:02:40. > :02:47.can take it back if it does not work. This is for life. It is the
:02:48. > :02:53.jobs of these people here and their children in the future. Tonight in
:02:54. > :02:56.Aberdeen the Prime Minister warned that the family of nations
:02:57. > :03:03.comprising the UK with break apart if there was a Yes vote. He said
:03:04. > :03:08.Scotland should not be motivated by a desire to harm the Tories. Head,
:03:09. > :03:15.heart and soul we want you to stay. Do not mix up the temporary and the
:03:16. > :03:18.parents. Do not think, I am a student of politics so I will walk
:03:19. > :03:22.out and never come back. If you do not like me, I will not be here
:03:23. > :03:26.forever. They do not like this Government, it will not last
:03:27. > :03:37.forever. But if you leave the United Kingdom, that will be forever. Home
:03:38. > :03:42.again. Alex Salmond back in the North over he was born. He said the
:03:43. > :03:46.next time the Prime Minister comes to Scotland he will be negotiating
:03:47. > :03:49.the terms of independence after a Yes vote. He dismissed claims that
:03:50. > :03:55.businesses struggle in an independent Scotland. This, the land
:03:56. > :04:00.of Adam Smith, nobody sensible bullies other than this country
:04:01. > :04:05.which founded the science of economics, this country which gave
:04:06. > :04:13.the world so much, how did they see that this country is not capable of
:04:14. > :04:16.running its order fears? Today the argument is on the students of
:04:17. > :04:29.Scotland. On Thursday its moves to the polling stations.
:04:30. > :04:43.How did the leaders do today? It is a remarkable campaign. This
:04:44. > :04:48.all passion spent? Far from it. To emotional and emotive speeches. One
:04:49. > :04:52.from David Cameron in Aberdeen, inevitably a fitting visit given the
:04:53. > :05:00.global crisis in which Britain is involved, but he still felt it
:05:01. > :05:04.important to come to Scotland. And he most disavowed his own party,
:05:05. > :05:19.seeing that he and his party would not be about forever. It was
:05:20. > :05:24.astonishing. From Alex Salmond, boisterous support of the team
:05:25. > :05:32.around him made up for the weather. Reach actress" passion -- he reached
:05:33. > :05:39.it resend all of passion when he referred to Adam Smith.
:05:40. > :05:45.What can we expect over the next couple of days?
:05:46. > :05:49.More on the negative from each side. The union side will top up the
:05:50. > :06:14.negatives as they see it of independence. The positive side --
:06:15. > :06:20.The Independent side will say. Are we going to get final details of
:06:21. > :06:23.what war powers offered will be? Will we get final details of the
:06:24. > :06:27.sheep of the economy in an independent Scotland? We are not. I
:06:28. > :06:33.am struck by how many people are still seeing, can somebody not come
:06:34. > :06:37.to a conclusion and explain to us which way is right that which we is
:06:38. > :06:40.wrong. It is not going to be like that. Right up until the moment when
:06:41. > :06:45.voters go into the polling booths they will be faced with two offers
:06:46. > :06:50.and they have to decide, and they have to choose.
:06:51. > :06:52.Joining me now, Campaign Director for
:06:53. > :07:03.And Chief Executive of Yes Scotland, Blair Jenkins.
:07:04. > :07:09.It was a passionate case for the United Kingdom that we heard from
:07:10. > :07:15.the Prime Minister today. It was the UK that abolished slavery, set up
:07:16. > :07:19.the Enlightenment, but a fire under the industrial revolution. He should
:07:20. > :07:22.have been making these speeches before now. We have been making
:07:23. > :07:26.those speeches and argue at all the way through the campaign. The other
:07:27. > :07:29.thing we saw to date was thousands of people gathering in Trafalgar
:07:30. > :07:33.Square. We are used to seeing the Tartan Army beer, but today we saw
:07:34. > :07:41.people from the rest of the UK giving a passionate message that
:07:42. > :07:45.they want us to stay. The last week has been about the head, economic
:07:46. > :07:51.risks. Now we are talking, rightly, about the emotional side of things.
:07:52. > :07:56.Alex Salmond repeated again the message that we heard over the
:07:57. > :07:58.weekend, but this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to
:07:59. > :08:05.vote for independence. David Cameron has said for quite a a while but
:08:06. > :08:10.this is irreversible. Is this because you are worried that people
:08:11. > :08:14.might be tempted to try further devolution for 15 years and then
:08:15. > :08:19.think they could vote for independence afterwards? I always
:08:20. > :08:23.thought this referendum would come down to the choice between
:08:24. > :08:26.independence and devolution. It was up to those who believe in
:08:27. > :08:29.independence to define what we mean by independence. Was up to the
:08:30. > :08:33.people who wanted to advocate devolution to define what they
:08:34. > :08:37.meant. It is only our campaign that has met our part of the obligation.
:08:38. > :08:42.Whether they agree with us or not people are very clear as to what is
:08:43. > :08:47.proposed in the independence proposal. People are not clear on
:08:48. > :08:51.what happens if there was a No vote and what happens in terms of further
:08:52. > :08:55.devolution. The Prime Minister said the status quo is not on the ballot
:08:56. > :09:01.paper, yet nobody can tell us what the alternative to that is. The idea
:09:02. > :09:06.that the proposition being put forward is less or more clearly
:09:07. > :09:15.defined... He has got 650 pages in a White Paper. 650 pages that'll tell
:09:16. > :09:20.us we will be in a Eurovision Song contest, but that will not tell us
:09:21. > :09:24.what currency we will have. Where is the currency that tells us how you
:09:25. > :09:27.will marry at the promises of Labour, Liberal Democrat and the
:09:28. > :09:32.Conservatives? All three parties have set out their policies. All
:09:33. > :09:39.three parties have come together to see that is broad consensus over
:09:40. > :09:42.income tax and welfare. But they do not agree on taxation powers. Nobody
:09:43. > :09:48.has any idea what they are voting for. The difference between the
:09:49. > :09:53.three parties is the difference between devolving three quarters of
:09:54. > :09:55.income tax to Scotland and 100% of income tax. Nationalists think that
:09:56. > :09:59.is worth dealing up the 300-year-old union for. The rest of us recognise
:10:00. > :10:03.that the parties can get together and work out the details. After
:10:04. > :10:08.people had voted. You are seeing that he does will be worked out
:10:09. > :10:12.after people have bolted. We are not so arrogant to think that we have
:10:13. > :10:15.all the answers. We will involve the Scottish people in this process as
:10:16. > :10:19.we could the Calman Commission to improve devolution. We will involve
:10:20. > :10:25.people like where Jenkins who have rightly said that if there is a Yes
:10:26. > :10:28.vote date will not erase devolution. There is a broad consensus in
:10:29. > :10:32.Scotland over devolution. There is a broad consensus of what that looks
:10:33. > :10:35.like. Now we will deliver that. We will love it in Scotland over
:10:36. > :10:37.devolution. There is a broad consensus of what that looks like.
:10:38. > :10:44.Now we will deliver that. We will deliberate and will you work with
:10:45. > :10:53.these devolution puzzles? -- devolution processors? I certainly
:10:54. > :11:00.would. Will we see both of you embracing each other on Friday. A
:11:01. > :11:08.firm handshake. The uncertainty with the No vote is we do not know who
:11:09. > :11:17.will be driving the chain. We do not know what cargo the chain will be
:11:18. > :11:26.carrying. People are realising that job-creating powers to protect
:11:27. > :11:29.public services, the only way to do that is with a Yes vote. Stay with
:11:30. > :11:30.me for a moment. We have more to talk about.
:11:31. > :11:32.From JK Rowling to the lottery winning Weirs.
:11:33. > :11:34.Donations have poured in to bankroll both sides
:11:35. > :11:38.The final tally shows that more than ?4.5 million has been donated to
:11:39. > :11:41.the rival sides - dwarfing the spend of any other political
:11:42. > :11:47.Our Economics Correspondent Colletta Smith has the details.
:11:48. > :11:50.In the fourth and final donations period, the three weeks to 5th
:11:51. > :12:00.September, The Yes Scotland campaign received ?120,000.
:12:01. > :12:02.The majority of that, ?100,000, came from William Tait Senior who
:12:03. > :12:04.owns a fishing business, while Sir George Mathewson, former
:12:05. > :12:10.On the other side, Let's Stay Together, the UK campaign
:12:11. > :12:12.that was today backed by David Beckham, was gifted ?10,000 by
:12:13. > :12:20.It means the final totals for the lead campaign groups stand
:12:21. > :12:23.at just over ?1.5 million for the Yes campaign and nearly ?2.5
:12:24. > :12:29.When you add in the smaller groups such as Christians for Independence
:12:30. > :12:35.and Let's Stay Together the Yes side have received more than ?1.8 million
:12:36. > :12:37.pounds, while the No side have been given nearly 2.8 million.
:12:38. > :12:42.That's 66% more for the pro-union groups.
:12:43. > :12:45.So what's all the money being spent on and to what extent could
:12:46. > :12:59.Everything is important in this campaign. It is very close.
:13:00. > :13:02.Billboards, posters, canvassing. The amount of stuff we are getting
:13:03. > :13:10.through our letter boxes as incredible. It is less important how
:13:11. > :13:13.much money you have, it is more reported about how you get that
:13:14. > :13:20.message out and how many people can repeat the message. This is not
:13:21. > :13:26.that. Read when it comes to donations. The overall total will be
:13:27. > :13:30.higher. There is individual party spending. Any donations given to the
:13:31. > :13:34.prounion parties on the SNP have not been included in this total. It will
:13:35. > :13:42.be higher. We will get that figure in November. It does not include
:13:43. > :13:46.smaller donations. Anything under ?7,500 is not registered by the
:13:47. > :13:49.Electoral Commission in this formal process. Anecdotally we have heard
:13:50. > :13:55.people are giving smaller donations. That is not included. But
:13:56. > :14:02.it all adds up to an even bigger total. The donations have dropped
:14:03. > :14:06.off as the campaign has gone on. That reflects the rules of the
:14:07. > :14:07.election Commission. There are tighter rules about spending as the
:14:08. > :14:10.campaign has gone on. tighter rules about spending as the
:14:11. > :14:38.restrictions have over the last year or more. It
:14:39. > :14:42.obviously does have a significant impact. They have done research, and
:14:43. > :14:45.it is interesting to see the market analysis about where to put those
:14:46. > :14:48.billboards. They obviously believe it has an impact. But we were
:14:49. > :14:52.hearing in that clip there about social media, which is free, and can
:14:53. > :14:54.be organised much more cheaply, so it is not necessarily the biggest
:14:55. > :16:42.spenders who will be it is not necessarily the biggest
:16:43. > :16:48.So how might Scotland's most famous footballer but?
:16:49. > :16:53.Maybe I, maybe no. It turns out, living in England, King Kenny
:16:54. > :16:58.doesn't even have a vote. I never get involved in politics, and I
:16:59. > :17:02.never will, so... I'm not intelligent enough to understand
:17:03. > :17:07.what it means, and certainly not well versed enough to let someone
:17:08. > :17:10.run on the back of my opinion. I wouldn't have a clue what would
:17:11. > :17:15.happen. It looks as though Lindsay Sharp could get the silver medal.
:17:16. > :17:18.By contrast, the position of Scotland's silver medallist Lindsay
:17:19. > :17:21.Sharp couldn't be clearer. She's based in England, and if Scotland
:17:22. > :17:25.votes yes, she would opt to compete for Great Britain at the Olympics.
:17:26. > :17:28.British athletics is based down here, and they are able to provide
:17:29. > :17:32.us with every thing we need, we have videos and psychologists and
:17:33. > :17:35.nutritionists, and all the facilities in one place, which I
:17:36. > :17:45.know Scotland is able to offer for some sports, for example swimming.
:17:46. > :17:48.At but for example, Chris Hoy had to spend a lot of time in Manchester,
:17:49. > :17:51.Andy Murray is not in Scotland bring much, and myself, I spend a lot of
:17:52. > :17:54.time down south, because I don't think Scotland have the funding
:17:55. > :17:59.resources to get athletes to elite level a lot of the time well,
:18:00. > :18:03.athletes are entitled to their opinion, and Lindsay Sharp is
:18:04. > :18:06.obviously entitled to hers, but there are different opinions within
:18:07. > :18:09.the athletes. Some, of course, see the big
:18:10. > :18:12.opportunity for Team Scotland, and remember, there are many athletes
:18:13. > :18:16.that don't get to compete for Team GB because of the tightness of the
:18:17. > :18:20.numbers, so Team Scotland will give an opportunity to many more athletes
:18:21. > :18:24.to compete with the bass and the international sporting stage. The
:18:25. > :18:29.big question is, when it comes to funding, Scotland's top sports
:18:30. > :18:32.stars, will they be Better Together or independent?
:18:33. > :18:34.I think there would be a difficulty for athletes in the short term,
:18:35. > :18:38.because of the arrangements in place, which are inevitably
:18:39. > :18:41.UK-based. I think one thing that will be important would be, there is
:18:42. > :18:43.no disadvantage to those athletes in the short term, because of the
:18:44. > :18:45.arrangements in place, which are inevitably UK-based. I think one
:18:46. > :18:48.thing that will be important would be, there is no disadvantage to
:18:49. > :18:50.those athletes in the is not in any sense harmed by a political
:18:51. > :18:55.decision. I think if you look over the medium to long-term, there would
:18:56. > :18:57.need to be a commitment, of course, by the Scottish Government to
:18:58. > :19:04.replicate or to create a similar structure which would allow that
:19:05. > :19:07.support to exist for athletes. And the Scottish Government insists
:19:08. > :19:11.there will be funding for Scotland's elite athletes
:19:12. > :19:14.postindependence. UK sport is funded through the taxpayers of all of
:19:15. > :19:18.these islands, so we would want to make sure that the resources are
:19:19. > :19:20.currently go to UK sport after independence, obviously, those
:19:21. > :19:24.resources will stay here in Scotland, and there will have to be
:19:25. > :19:28.some transitional arrangements between now and 2016, which we will
:19:29. > :19:36.sit down and discuss with Uk Sport. If we all keep the needs of our
:19:37. > :19:39.athletes in mind, I'm sure we can do that in a way that ensures they have
:19:40. > :19:40.the continuity and resources they require.
:19:41. > :19:45.Independent Better Together, how will Scotland's sporting future be
:19:46. > :19:49.best served? And will it actually implement the way any of us vote?
:19:50. > :19:51.Joining me now are the former European Championship
:19:52. > :19:52.gold medallist Brian Whittle, who's Better Together,
:19:53. > :19:58.and the former footballer Michael Stewart, who's in the Yes camp.
:19:59. > :20:03.Brian, you have brought your gold medals, I can see. Do you really
:20:04. > :20:06.think you would have been less likely to win them if you had been
:20:07. > :20:12.in an independent Scotland Umag not less likely, I wouldn't have. These
:20:13. > :20:15.three medals here, I brought them in particularly because they are part
:20:16. > :20:19.of the Great Britain four x 14. We won three European titles. I
:20:20. > :20:22.absolutely would not have won those metals, and more than that, maybe
:20:23. > :20:25.the Great Britain team wouldn't have won these medal either, because we
:20:26. > :20:31.won them as a team, and you could say we were Better Together. So,
:20:32. > :20:34.what we are doing would be removing this opportunity, especially in team
:20:35. > :20:42.sports, from the Scottish playing fields, and I think sport is very
:20:43. > :20:45.much performance lead, and without aspiration or inspiration, I would
:20:46. > :20:48.worry for our youth. Michael Stewart, your own career
:20:49. > :20:52.involved you going to Manchester United before you came back to
:20:53. > :20:56.captain hearts. That would have been harder in an independent Scotland,
:20:57. > :20:59.wouldn't it? Do you not believe Brian about sportsmen being Better
:21:00. > :21:02.Together? I don't particularly see how me
:21:03. > :21:07.moving to Manchester would have been more difficult in an independent
:21:08. > :21:10.Scotland. Plenty of my colleagues down there were from the Republic of
:21:11. > :21:15.Ireland, and went on to have successful careers. So I don't think
:21:16. > :21:18.that has any impact. On the Olympic stage and things like that, the
:21:19. > :21:23.biggest thing that will be a benefit with a Yes vote is the greater
:21:24. > :21:26.opportunities. Brian talked about the Team GB winning the gold medal,
:21:27. > :21:32.he wouldn't have won it. All we need to do to see the benefits for
:21:33. > :21:35.independence of Scotland, and Team Scotland, is look at the swimming
:21:36. > :21:38.team we put together at Stirling University. There is such a
:21:39. > :21:42.world-class amount of talent in there, and all of those guys are not
:21:43. > :21:47.going to be able to go to Rio in 2016 if there is a Team GB. That, to
:21:48. > :21:51.me, is a tragedy, and what you are not going to be able to go to Rio in
:21:52. > :21:57.2016 if there is a Team GB. That, to me, is a tragedy, and what you're we
:21:58. > :22:01.had a pretty competitive Scottish team in Rio in 2016 for the the
:22:02. > :22:04.swimming was absolutely fantastic. I was down at the award of the other
:22:05. > :22:13.night. Of course, he is wrong, because there is 24 Olympic sports,
:22:14. > :22:16.Scotland won 14 medals in 2012, as an independent Scotland, we would
:22:17. > :22:20.have won three. That would have been one training in Spain, one in
:22:21. > :22:23.Manchester, and one in the USA. All the rest will medals as part of the
:22:24. > :22:29.Great Britain team, the hockey, for example. And that level, the ability
:22:30. > :22:35.to win medals in teams at that level would be removed. Completely. There
:22:36. > :22:39.are 24 Olympic sports, and there is not a chance that Scotland can fund
:22:40. > :22:43.24 Olympic sports to the level that they are funded at in Great Britain,
:22:44. > :22:48.and there are loads of arguments against wide we would be Better
:22:49. > :22:52.Together. Michael Stewart, we have seen quite
:22:53. > :22:56.a lot of high profile athletes saying they are supporting the
:22:57. > :22:59.union, and some say it is because of access to training facilities and
:23:00. > :23:02.regimes that there are across Great Britain. It is interesting that
:23:03. > :23:08.Brian talked about one athlete being in Spain, one in America. Listen,
:23:09. > :23:12.money goes where the talent is. There is no argument that because we
:23:13. > :23:15.are part of the UK, these people shouldn't be competing and training
:23:16. > :23:19.in America or Spain. Mo Farah is over in America. I think it is a
:23:20. > :23:23.fallacy to suggest that the swimming team would all be going to Rio. They
:23:24. > :23:26.wouldn't. It describes simple. And if you look at the Scotland team
:23:27. > :23:30.that took part in the Commonwealth Games, the vast majority of the
:23:31. > :23:36.medal winning athletes were funded and trained solely in Scotland, so
:23:37. > :23:40.we can compete, and we can fund. We are a vastly wealthy nation that can
:23:41. > :23:44.back it up. And one point about the athletes backing the union, I'd just
:23:45. > :23:47.like to make a quick point here that there is a lot of people within the
:23:48. > :23:52.sporting world who have been quiet and, that I know personally, who
:23:53. > :23:55.wanted to come out and speak on behalf of yes-macro, and have been
:23:56. > :23:59.quietened down. I am all up for hearing people's opinions. That is
:24:00. > :24:04.part of what has been a great debate here, but too many people have been
:24:05. > :24:06.quiet and on the sporting issue. Well, there are accusations that
:24:07. > :24:10.when it comes to the cultural world, the sporting world and on
:24:11. > :24:14.both sides. But Michael, he makes a basically
:24:15. > :24:18.good point, people can train across the world and at the moment they
:24:19. > :24:21.would not be prevented from doing so in an independent Scotland. No, they
:24:22. > :24:25.would not be stopped at all. But the thing about this is, the first time
:24:26. > :24:29.I walked into a Great Britain room, I walked into a room with Daley
:24:30. > :24:35.Thomson, Sebastien Coe, Steve Ovett, Chris Akabusi, Derek Redmond, and
:24:36. > :24:38.others. It was incredible. I ran for Great Britain 45 times and I learned
:24:39. > :24:41.so much from those people. It is kind of like, if you remove the
:24:42. > :24:48.Great Britain layer, it is like asking somebody to move from school
:24:49. > :24:51.straight at university. You had to learn your trade through the
:24:52. > :24:55.levels. We would be in trouble if they remove that level. He still
:24:56. > :24:59.hasn't answered the question. 40 medals at 22. We would have won
:25:00. > :25:02.three. Team spot would be destroyed. It is a question we will have to
:25:03. > :25:04.wait for another day. Thank you very much for coming in to talk to us
:25:05. > :25:04.tonight. Now let's take a look
:25:05. > :25:16.at the news around the world. China daily looks at the rising
:25:17. > :25:21.temperature in Scotland at the latest polls show rival camps
:25:22. > :25:25.running desperately close. Russia today reports on a pro-independence
:25:26. > :25:29.rally that took place outside BBC Scotland yesterday to protest
:25:30. > :25:31.against perceived bias. While the Wall Street Journal takes the
:25:32. > :25:33.referendum abroad, looking at how the debate is playing out in
:25:34. > :25:34.America. Now let's take a look at the rest
:25:35. > :25:37.of the day's news. Joining me now,
:25:38. > :25:46.the Observer's Kevin McKenna and Thank you both for coming in. We
:25:47. > :25:50.will pick up some of the other referendum developments there have
:25:51. > :25:54.been today. It seems to Patrick Harvie has gone a little bit of
:25:55. > :25:57.script, and as we know, Yes Scotland have been very keen to reassure us
:25:58. > :26:03.that the Queen would remain head of state. Now he says he thinks she
:26:04. > :26:06.should be challenged if there is a Yes vote, which is contrary to
:26:07. > :26:11.mainstream yet opinion, but maybe not a surprise? Yes, but I think
:26:12. > :26:14.there is also quite a lot of people in England who are Republicans,
:26:15. > :26:17.because in England, there has been this debate for years about the
:26:18. > :26:23.monarchy. Personally, I would be very surprised if Alex Salmond, if
:26:24. > :26:27.it is to be a yes-macro on Thursday, why he wouldn't want to actually
:26:28. > :26:33.actively seek the council of this great lady, who, let's face it, has
:26:34. > :26:37.the wisdom of ages. If it were me, I would be beating a pact to her,
:26:38. > :26:41.because she has seen a dozen prime ministers come and go. She has got
:26:42. > :26:45.piles of wisdom that I would, especially in the fledgling years of
:26:46. > :26:49.a newly independent country, I would want to be borrowing rather than
:26:50. > :26:53.talking about ditching her. Do you think she would want to share it
:26:54. > :26:55.with an independent Scotland Umag as you made a guarded comment on Sunday
:26:56. > :27:00.saying people should think carefully. Absolutely, you have to
:27:01. > :27:03.feel sorry for her. She made this comment to a well wish, and clearly
:27:04. > :27:08.did not mean it for public conception. I think she clearly does
:27:09. > :27:11.have a huge amount of experience, and Alex Salmond has been very clear
:27:12. > :27:15.that he wants her to remain as Queen of Scots. I think when you actually
:27:16. > :27:19.look at the Yes Scotland literature on this, for all that Patrick Harvie
:27:20. > :27:23.is part of the campaign and has made his position very clear, they say
:27:24. > :27:26.that Yes Scotland does not represent a government as such, and the
:27:27. > :27:29.Scottish Government have been very clear that they want to see her as
:27:30. > :27:33.Queen of Scots and that the final decision will be taken by the
:27:34. > :27:36.people. I don't think it is too much to worry about.
:27:37. > :27:39.We know that throughout the campaign, there have been
:27:40. > :27:41.accusations of bullying and threatening and intimidating
:27:42. > :27:45.behaviour. It does seem to have ratcheted up a notch as we get
:27:46. > :27:48.closer to the boat. Alistair Carmichael was complaining today
:27:49. > :27:51.that No supporters were being jostled in the street, people had
:27:52. > :27:55.tweeted pictures of signs being defaced. Ruth Davidson tweeted a
:27:56. > :27:59.picture of an No sign that had had trade to watch sprayed across it. No
:28:00. > :28:04.sooner do you see that, then Yes Scotland will show that their
:28:05. > :28:07.posters have had Vote No scrawled across them, and that is just one
:28:08. > :28:11.example of some of the things that are going on out there. Do we need
:28:12. > :28:15.to worry that it is getting nasty out there? I don't think we need to
:28:16. > :28:19.worry. I think it is natural that this is happening now, very close to
:28:20. > :28:22.the vote, and people's passions are running high. However, what a thing
:28:23. > :28:26.has not been helpful is the language that has been used from the very
:28:27. > :28:29.start of the campaign. It has been confrontational, oppositional,
:28:30. > :28:33.characterised as them and us, and so I am not surprised that that is
:28:34. > :28:36.where we are now. As you say, it is happening on both sides, but the big
:28:37. > :28:40.Alex Salmond described it as a joyful campaign. I don't think it
:28:41. > :28:43.has been joyful. I think in some areas, it has been very positive,
:28:44. > :28:48.but I think we have seen a lot of that abuse, and it is a concern, and
:28:49. > :28:51.I think it will continue. Alex Salmond say the 99.9% of people in
:28:52. > :28:54.this campaign have conducted themselves admirably, and only a
:28:55. > :28:59.tiny fringe are getting nasty. Is that true? Yes, I tend to agree with
:29:00. > :29:04.that. The instances that you outlined there, they have been acts
:29:05. > :29:07.of social delinquency, which you are going to get, no matter what
:29:08. > :29:11.campaign. This has been running for two years, and most political
:29:12. > :29:18.campaigns, let's face it, only run for five or six weeks. I think
:29:19. > :29:23.you're too previous guests, the two Blairs, let's face it, a lot of them
:29:24. > :29:27.can take great heart from the way both of them have conducted
:29:28. > :29:30.themselves, and they have been on the road for a couple of years, and
:29:31. > :29:35.their behaviour has been exemplary, and they have conducted this debate
:29:36. > :29:38.in an extremely good-natured way. They are remarkably polite to each
:29:39. > :29:47.other at matter I fear they will miss each other. We were saying
:29:48. > :29:50.earlier, I think many -- both of them have probably seen each other
:29:51. > :29:53.more than their own spouses. I hope they have a good drink together when
:29:54. > :29:57.it is over. That have a good look at the Let's
:29:58. > :30:01.Stick Together rally into other swear this evening. There were a
:30:02. > :30:07.couple of thousand people, certainly wanted Scotland to stay with the
:30:08. > :30:12.union. A quick look at the pictures. We say no! We say no! So, that is in
:30:13. > :30:15.contrast to the rallies that there were across Scotland at the
:30:16. > :30:19.weekend, both Yes and No rallies. Doesn't make any difference how many
:30:20. > :30:24.people turn up into other swear? It is very nice to see that they care
:30:25. > :30:29.about is up here from time to time! They have noticed what is happening.
:30:30. > :30:32.I don't think it will particularly sway many people, because I think a
:30:33. > :30:35.lot of these events are for activists, and they celebrate with
:30:36. > :30:42.other activists, and I'm not entirely sure people passing by Will
:30:43. > :30:46.be swayed one or another. We are on their agenda, finally, though? Yes,
:30:47. > :30:50.absolutely, and easily they were interviewing the theme of family
:30:51. > :30:51.today, which David Cameron and Bob Geldof made their theme. Thank you
:30:52. > :30:52.very much. That's all from us tonight.
:30:53. > :30:54.Thank you for watching. I'll be back
:30:55. > :30:57.at the same time tomorrow night.