:00:00. > :00:00.The long-awaited inquiry into the UK's involvement
:00:00. > :00:26.in the Iraq War won't be published until next summer.
:00:27. > :00:32.There's anger from families of British soldiers killed in Iraq
:00:33. > :00:34.that publication of the independent inquiry led
:00:35. > :00:40.by Sir John Chilcot is still at least another eight months away.
:00:41. > :00:42.And the US producer of the hit TV series, Outlander,
:00:43. > :00:44.currently filming in Scotland, throws his weight behind calls
:00:45. > :00:57.Seven years after it was first begun, now running to two million
:00:58. > :01:00.words, the final report of the Chilcot Inquiry will at last
:01:01. > :01:06.In a letter to the Prime Minister, the report's author,
:01:07. > :01:13.Sir John Chilcot, today laid out his timetable for publication.
:01:14. > :01:16.His inquiry into the UK's role in the Iraq War was established
:01:17. > :01:20.by Gordon Brown back in 2009 when he was Prime Minister.
:01:21. > :01:22.The last witness gave evidence five years ago
:01:23. > :01:25.and questions have been mounting ever since about why it's taking
:01:26. > :01:39.I am immensely frustrated by the slowness and amount of time it has
:01:40. > :01:42.taken. I am not frustrated on my own behalf, I am frustrated for the
:01:43. > :01:45.mothers and fathers who have lost loved ones and want to know what
:01:46. > :01:52.happened and why it happened and want to make sure that lessons are
:01:53. > :01:55.learned. It is totally unacceptable, disgraceful, another seven months,
:01:56. > :01:58.that will mean seven years from the onset of the inquiry and told
:01:59. > :02:04.publication and a further seven years of agony for the families of
:02:05. > :02:09.the servicemen who died in that conflict, complete unacceptable. I
:02:10. > :02:13.am very disappointed because I thought it would be published by the
:02:14. > :02:19.end of this year. I did not think it would take another year. Will it be
:02:20. > :02:25.published or is that just another date for him to release when it will
:02:26. > :02:30.be published again? I feel for myself and my family. It is going on
:02:31. > :02:35.and on. The longer it goes on the harder it gets for others. I am
:02:36. > :02:43.getting angry. It gets harder for us the longer it goes on. I am hoping
:02:44. > :02:44.at the end of the day something comes out. We're grieving families
:02:45. > :03:09.at the moment. Joining me now from London studio is
:03:10. > :03:13.James Cusick from The Independent. This inquiry was meant to look at
:03:14. > :03:16.Iraq and the lead up to that war. It was meant to look at the
:03:17. > :03:23.administration in Iraq itself and the lessons learned. Ever since I
:03:24. > :03:27.think he finished questioning, John Tucknott and his team have been on
:03:28. > :03:32.two fronts. We have been at war with Whitehall who have been reluctant to
:03:33. > :03:35.release all that he wanted. He has been at war with Washington who
:03:36. > :03:39.wanted to keep their part of any correspondence with any part of the
:03:40. > :03:45.UK Government in the run-up to Iraq quiet and in the end he has let
:03:46. > :03:52.himself at war with the lawyers. Anyone who was criticised in the
:03:53. > :03:57.report, he has come to blows with. The Maxwellisation process, as it is
:03:58. > :04:00.called, he has to legally right to everyone and tell them what the
:04:01. > :04:05.position is. Listen to their replies back and then change the text
:04:06. > :04:10.accordingly. If you or I were given those terms of reference, I think a
:04:11. > :04:14.few years, three, four years, five years, you can see why this has
:04:15. > :04:19.dragged on. We are told we will be able to read it in July or June next
:04:20. > :04:24.year, is there any significance to that time? I think there has been
:04:25. > :04:28.some choreography by Whitehall. Over the last few years I have heard
:04:29. > :04:30.plenty of voices coming out of the inquiry themselves as to how
:04:31. > :04:35.political they recognise this inquiry was going to be and that is
:04:36. > :04:38.political sensitivity on both sides, those that won't be deported
:04:39. > :04:48.to come out and those that know they are writing something that is highly
:04:49. > :04:52.political. Sir John Cockell said today it would be June July plus six
:04:53. > :04:57.or seven weeks for the security stuff. That means that he has safely
:04:58. > :05:01.avoided both parliamentary elections in Scotland and the local elections.
:05:02. > :05:08.-- Sir John Chilcot. He has tidied that be. July is the middle of the
:05:09. > :05:11.convention season in the United States, both Republicans and
:05:12. > :05:16.Democrats have conventions in July. We should not kept ourselves that
:05:17. > :05:22.this is a report of only interested ourselves and the political media in
:05:23. > :05:24.the UK. Americans are just as anxious and this could be
:05:25. > :05:27.particularly damaging to the Republican Party. Choreography and
:05:28. > :05:32.interpretation on both sides of the Atlantic. What is the impact with
:05:33. > :05:38.our relationship with America over all of this? There has been a lot of
:05:39. > :05:44.touring and froing between Whitehall and the White House itself. As far
:05:45. > :05:48.as the Americans are concerned, any dialogue there was between Tony
:05:49. > :05:56.Blair and George Bush, the Americans have said that the wound is just as
:05:57. > :06:02.much as Downing Street, and that has meant huge difficulties. What I
:06:03. > :06:05.understand is that the conclusion to this, there will probably be some
:06:06. > :06:09.heavy reductions from the United States' end of things. That means
:06:10. > :06:13.that they could end up with these 2 million words and a large amount of
:06:14. > :06:19.answers from the UK site, not knowing fully what the question were
:06:20. > :06:22.to the States. This will be an enormous amount of decoding, a vast
:06:23. > :06:27.amount of trying to understand exactly what is at stake here. To be
:06:28. > :06:30.honest, most of the UK media have made up their minds what is
:06:31. > :06:35.contained within this report. We have been told the date for the
:06:36. > :06:38.script, that in the back of many minds, the script has already been
:06:39. > :06:39.written. There we must be that, thank you for joining us this
:06:40. > :06:42.evening, James Cusick. Perth plays host to Labour delegates
:06:43. > :06:45.this weekend for their first Scottish Conference since the
:06:46. > :06:47.near wipeout of their Scottish MPs And there's plenty more to discuss
:06:48. > :06:50.because they also have a new national leader and internal
:06:51. > :06:53.divisions over Trident. Their new Scottish Leader has made
:06:54. > :06:58.it clear that she wants more autonomy for Scottish Labour
:06:59. > :07:00.though it's expected that would stop well short of any unilateral
:07:01. > :07:07.declaration of independence. Our political editor
:07:08. > :07:15.Brian Taylor is there. It is not exactly UDI but Kezia
:07:16. > :07:20.Dugdale, the leader of the Scottish Labour Party, wants to be to just
:07:21. > :07:25.that, he Scottish Labour Party with an emphasis on autonomy and Connie
:07:26. > :07:28.on candidate selection and particularly over policy. It is
:07:29. > :07:35.policy in particular that draws controversy around the issue. Kezia
:07:36. > :07:37.Dugdale spoke earlier this week to the parliamentary Labour Party at
:07:38. > :07:43.Westminster and I understand she faced some sceptical questions as to
:07:44. > :07:48.how that will work in practice. A Labour peer, a former Scottish
:07:49. > :07:52.Cabinet Minister has said that he expects this policy could develop
:07:53. > :07:55.into something approaching a mess unless it is handled carefully. I
:07:56. > :08:00.spoke earlier to Kezia Dugdale and she was adamant that this had to go
:08:01. > :08:03.ahead because there had been a big problem for the Scottish Labour
:08:04. > :08:07.Party regarding this indeed elections at the UK Parliament in
:08:08. > :08:11.the month of May. We had a devastating result in the May
:08:12. > :08:14.election. One MP, I do not underestimate the size of a
:08:15. > :08:18.challenge. The message I heard from the electorate was that too many
:08:19. > :08:23.people in Scotland got the Scottish Labour Party was run in London, at
:08:24. > :08:27.Westminster. Not in Scotland. For me the centre of Scottish political
:08:28. > :08:30.life is at the Scottish Parliament. Decisions about the future of the
:08:31. > :08:34.Labour Party will be made here by me and the people around me. We need an
:08:35. > :08:38.economist Scottish Labour Party fit for the future to meet people's
:08:39. > :08:42.aspirations. How would that policy of Aughton may work in practice? It
:08:43. > :08:47.is not just regarding devolved issues like health and education, it
:08:48. > :08:53.would also look at the macro economy and defence. What if, for example,
:08:54. > :08:56.the Scottish party has won policy on defence, for example, Trident, and
:08:57. > :09:01.the UK party has a different one? Kezia Dugdale accepts a common
:09:02. > :09:06.manifesto must be agreed for contesting a UK General Election.
:09:07. > :09:10.She has said that will come through negotiations and discussions with
:09:11. > :09:15.the various wings of the party. They are looking at this in detail as to
:09:16. > :09:18.how this would work with Tom Watson, the depth of leader of the
:09:19. > :09:25.party. He will play a big role in that. Brian Taylor there.
:09:26. > :09:28.Creative Scotland has announced a new fund to attract film and TV
:09:29. > :09:31.They hope to lure more international productions like
:09:32. > :09:33.the TV series Outlander, currently filming its second series here.
:09:34. > :09:36.Earlier I caught up with executive producer and writer of the series,
:09:37. > :09:55.I try and remember. My husband. Based on the successful Outlander
:09:56. > :10:01.books, the novel 's formal the married nurse, clear, and she
:10:02. > :10:06.travels back in time. She meets a Highland warrior, Jane Fraser, and
:10:07. > :10:11.becomes involved in the Jacobite uprisings. The TV series was filmed
:10:12. > :10:17.throughout Scotland for the first series and continues the summer in
:10:18. > :10:18.the country for season two. Ron Moore, you made your name with
:10:19. > :10:25.the likes of Star Ron Moore, you made your name with
:10:26. > :10:41.Star Galactica, what was the appeal of Outlander?
:10:42. > :10:43.Star Galactica, what was the appeal Europe day to day reality. There is
:10:44. > :10:49.an interesting challenge to producing a show like that. Creating
:10:50. > :10:53.the world that we do not get to live in. It is an escape this type of
:10:54. > :10:56.thing. That was very appealing to me. Also, when I read the first book
:10:57. > :11:02.I was taken by the central character. I really like the
:11:03. > :11:06.historical side. I did not know very much about the Jacobite rebellion
:11:07. > :11:07.and the history of Scotland. And Britain in this period of time. I
:11:08. > :13:19.like Britain in this period of time. I
:13:20. > :13:22.factory. It was a bit of a wreck. We had to bring in the power, there
:13:23. > :13:25.were holes in the ceiling. There was no heat and most of the interior
:13:26. > :13:27.walls were missing, there was rubble everywhere. That took a significant
:13:28. > :13:34.effort of time, money and resources to create. And to get off of the
:13:35. > :13:38.facilities that go along with shooting a TV show. If it had been a
:13:39. > :13:42.full on production facility available to us, that would have
:13:43. > :13:46.been immediately attractive to us because it is cheaper and faster and
:13:47. > :13:52.easier to go and and set up shop. And yet, it did not put you off. No,
:13:53. > :13:57.it did not. If this was not a show that was about Scotland so
:13:58. > :14:03.intrinsically, it might have just been something that we kept looking
:14:04. > :14:09.around. If it was a medieval piece or something set in Britain, any
:14:10. > :14:13.comparable period of time, we might have kept looking at the likes of
:14:14. > :14:16.Highland, the South of England and Wales, but because our show was so
:14:17. > :14:23.specifically about Scotland, we wanted to shoot it in Scotland. Your
:14:24. > :14:27.mixes and, I believe, is set in Paris and you will film in Prague
:14:28. > :14:33.for some of the exterior. But you're still doing the studio work here, is
:14:34. > :14:37.that correct? That is right. The story is about half in Paris and the
:14:38. > :14:41.second half of the season returns to Scotland, so for the Paris section
:14:42. > :14:48.what we did was built as many of the interiors as we could at our
:14:49. > :14:52.soundstages in Cumbernauld, so there are Paris apartments in salons and
:14:53. > :14:55.that kind of thing that we built. We looked around the surrounding area
:14:56. > :15:00.to see what other houses or historical buildings might have
:15:01. > :15:04.interiors that we could use at a stretch. But for all the exteriors,
:15:05. > :15:07.carriages along the streets in Paris, there is nothing like that
:15:08. > :15:11.here and even Paris does not look like that any more, so we went to
:15:12. > :15:16.Prague, we shot there for almost two weeks. It just looks like Paris and
:15:17. > :15:22.it is easier to set it up and make people believe. So it is called
:15:23. > :15:26.Cross boarding, we took all of this seems, for exterior streets in
:15:27. > :15:31.Paris, and shot them all together in those two weeks in Prague. What has
:15:32. > :15:35.it been like filming here? Is there anything you would change, as their
:15:36. > :15:41.team challenges? The most challenging thing is the weather!
:15:42. > :15:44.For a show like others, we are at a location for quite a bit. The crew
:15:45. > :15:50.is out in the elements of the time. The cast have to endure the brain,
:15:51. > :15:59.they called, the wind, a lot of late nights walking in the mud. A camera
:16:00. > :16:03.crew is hauling up equipment update sometimes snowy or muddy banks. It
:16:04. > :16:08.is difficult and very challenging. Outside of that, it is really easy
:16:09. > :16:16.to shoot. The people are lovely, a supporter film community, there is a
:16:17. > :16:18.deep depth and pool of talent here. A lot of people that had less
:16:19. > :16:21.Scotland, they could not find work up here and went down to London,
:16:22. > :16:26.they were happy to work closer to home and come back. It was easy to
:16:27. > :16:30.find a lot of local craftspeople that could make everything from
:16:31. > :16:35.baskets to furniture to, you know, model equipment. There was a big
:16:36. > :16:40.infrastructure they could draw on for this show. That is really great
:16:41. > :16:44.to film and it has been a great experience. We just wish it was
:16:45. > :16:49.warmer. It has not been broadcast heard yet, are there any plans for
:16:50. > :16:54.it to be shown here? It is available on Amazon. It became the distributor
:16:55. > :16:59.for the entire United Kingdom. If you have Amazon Prime, that is where
:17:00. > :17:03.the shore is available. I believe it will be on DVD soon or relatively
:17:04. > :17:10.soon. Does it matter to you how it is broadcast? Not really. The
:17:11. > :17:14.distinction between how a show is distributed as breaking down all the
:17:15. > :17:18.time. We are moving quickly into a world where I do not think the
:17:19. > :17:24.audience to how they get it on their phone or on their computer, a
:17:25. > :17:27.big-screen TV, as long as they can get it in their house and see it in
:17:28. > :17:31.some way, that is the bottom line. I think some areas have had greater
:17:32. > :17:36.access to broadband and Internet, other areas geographically here,
:17:37. > :17:39.perhaps they are more dependent on satellite or traditional cable, but
:17:40. > :17:45.all of that is kind of changing, I think. More and more, in the future
:17:46. > :17:50.people do not care about how we get it into our houses. And will there
:17:51. > :17:55.be a third season? I am very hopeful, I am pretty sure we will
:17:56. > :18:00.get it, I will be shocked if we do not. At Juniper now until they
:18:01. > :18:05.actually do it. How have you found a living and working here? My wife
:18:06. > :18:10.loves Sir full time and she is a costume designer on the show and she
:18:11. > :18:13.loves it. She is enamoured with living in Scotland. She has her
:18:14. > :18:17.picture and gross and she knows all of the various people. We have our
:18:18. > :18:24.neighbours, we love it. The people are great and that has been a
:18:25. > :18:28.wonderful place for us to shoot and work and when we are not here we are
:18:29. > :18:31.based in Los Angeles. We are tired of Los Angeles, it can be too hot.
:18:32. > :18:35.He spent all of your time in the car. It is a different way of living
:18:36. > :18:39.here and we have really enjoyed it. It has been a pleasure talking to
:18:40. > :18:42.you, thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me.
:18:43. > :18:44.The Smith Commission on Scotland's constitutional future has been
:18:45. > :18:48.But have you ever heard it described as art?
:18:49. > :18:50.Well, one writer has taken submissions to
:18:51. > :18:55.the Commission from some of the 12,000 or so members of the public
:18:56. > :18:58.who took part, and turned them into what he calls a found poem.
:18:59. > :19:11.Huw Williams reports from the Centre for Contemporary Arts in Glasgow.
:19:12. > :19:20.Good morning, Lord Smith. I understand that I am eligible to
:19:21. > :19:36.make a submission to your Commission. The work is on shore as
:19:37. > :19:43.an exhibition here at CCA. Talk me through the process of putting this
:19:44. > :19:48.together. For some of us the referendum does not end on the 18th
:19:49. > :19:54.of September, it ended with the Smith Commission. The passionate
:19:55. > :20:00.voices of the referendum period were put into the sausage kind of Smith
:20:01. > :20:01.and what came out was party political sausage as you would
:20:02. > :20:17.expect. specific politic all-purpose. What
:20:18. > :20:22.makes this a work of poetry? It is an interesting question. One of the
:20:23. > :20:26.things that fascinated me about Smith was ordinarily people having
:20:27. > :20:31.confidence to write to a lord and they are struggling with how to
:20:32. > :20:37.address him. The job of the poet is to listen as well as to write. There
:20:38. > :20:43.are always memorable phrases coming out in speech. Speech has always
:20:44. > :20:47.invigorated what poetry is. My job was to look through all of the
:20:48. > :20:51.submissions I could and find those memorable phrases and give them
:20:52. > :20:57.value, give them space in which they could be read and respected. And
:20:58. > :21:16.feeling that they carried something that the experts, that the
:21:17. > :21:19.politicians, did not necessarily. At the newly reopened Scottish
:21:20. > :21:24.poetry library in Edinburgh as sense that this work stands in a long
:21:25. > :21:28.established tradition of what is called phoned poetry.
:21:29. > :21:34.Hugh McDermott, the great 20th-century Scottish poet, he was
:21:35. > :21:38.interested in bringing language and ideas from other disciplines,
:21:39. > :21:45.historic and scientific, and some of his poems include chunks from the
:21:46. > :21:51.work of other writers discussing complex philosophical or scientific
:21:52. > :22:09.ideas. He arranges them in the lines of verse and they become part of his
:22:10. > :22:13.arguments. 12,000 people wrote letters and I
:22:14. > :22:19.think that is interesting. Letters. How many of us actually write a
:22:20. > :22:24.letter these days about our ideas, about our passions? That is what
:22:25. > :22:27.made the speech, the rating, so valuable. That's people were
:22:28. > :23:05.reaching to go into the vision of the future.
:23:06. > :23:15.That exhibition runs until Sunday at the CCA in Glasgow.
:23:16. > :23:18.Here with me now to discuss some of the other the journalists
:23:19. > :23:29.Let us start with new figures from the Office of National Statistics
:23:30. > :23:38.predicting a massive rise in UK population. Over the next 25 years
:23:39. > :23:42.it is expected to draw from 64.6 million to 74.3 million. That is a
:23:43. > :23:49.rise of almost 10 million. Scotland's share of that equates to
:23:50. > :23:57.a population growth of only 350,000. Is that smaller rise agreed on a bad
:23:58. > :24:07.thing for Scotland? Scotland needs to increase its population. Partly
:24:08. > :24:11.because health health care. A lot of those people who might be in
:24:12. > :24:17.Scotland are drifting South to London because of that pool of
:24:18. > :24:20.economic activity there. A disproportionate amount of the
:24:21. > :24:25.English population is also in London. The story is about how
:24:26. > :24:30.London Eye tracks people from the UK and overseas. We do not have control
:24:31. > :24:35.over immigration. Do you think that might be something that would help
:24:36. > :24:41.Scotland plan for the future? Very definitely. The demographics
:24:42. > :24:48.indicates that Scotland badly needs people. There are parts of Scotland
:24:49. > :24:51.know where all the young have left, it has been a key populated by its
:24:52. > :24:57.young, and it is only older people that idea. The demographic
:24:58. > :25:01.projections for Scotland, the number of people of working age is expected
:25:02. > :25:08.to flat line as well as a number of people over 65, over ET, over 100,
:25:09. > :25:12.are predicted to draw exponentially. We need the tax take
:25:13. > :25:15.off people who are going to come into this country and work and earn
:25:16. > :25:20.the money to care for those of us that are going to be in that cohort
:25:21. > :25:25.of older people. Is it inevitable that they will all go to London? How
:25:26. > :25:30.many more people can London take? At the moment London shows no signs of
:25:31. > :25:35.stopping. It has got phenomenal growth and phenomenal population
:25:36. > :25:41.growth. Places like Reading and safe end, they are bigger than
:25:42. > :25:47.Edinburgh. You are getting a mega city. Without significant UK
:25:48. > :25:55.Government policy you will not see a shift in Scotland. It is about
:25:56. > :25:59.making decisions. Depressing, really. This overpayment is going to
:26:00. > :26:03.be as overcrowded as you predict Scotland has got a lot going for it
:26:04. > :26:16.in attracting people. Moving onto another. The charity
:26:17. > :26:19.Kids Company, revelations that it received ?46 million of taxpayers
:26:20. > :26:23.money. The Prime Minister said he had no regrets in giving a final
:26:24. > :26:29.grant of ?3 million three days before the charity went under. It
:26:30. > :26:33.was worth giving it one more goal to be financially viable. It was not
:26:34. > :26:37.possible so it has come to an end. What matters now is looking after
:26:38. > :26:41.the children that it used to look after but it was right to give Kids
:26:42. > :26:48.Company every chance of a sustainable and viable future. Do
:26:49. > :26:55.you think this calls his judgment into question? It calls somebody's
:26:56. > :26:58.judgment into question. There is a lot of claim and counterclaim. The
:26:59. > :27:03.chief executive of the charity has denied that there was any
:27:04. > :27:07.impropriety. I think very definitely with the information that is coming
:27:08. > :27:14.out, I am pretty sure there will be more to come, it needs to have some
:27:15. > :27:18.kind of fun independent appraisal of what the reality is. If civil
:27:19. > :27:23.servants and ministers are saying they are not getting the information
:27:24. > :27:27.to justify these grants, when there were so many other charities denied
:27:28. > :27:32.money that was going there, we have 20 what was going on. There are
:27:33. > :27:36.lessons here for governance rate across the board. This is not just
:27:37. > :27:40.about that charity. What else has been going on and money has been
:27:41. > :27:47.handed out on that sort of basis? There were some eye-popping facts
:27:48. > :27:50.coming out today. Between 2011 in 2013 C is twice as much an glance as
:27:51. > :28:00.by Nidal 's. The founder has defended that. Kids Company had
:28:01. > :28:05.access to certain people within the machinery of the Government that's
:28:06. > :28:09.not all charities enjoyed. But help them secure funding. David Cameron
:28:10. > :28:15.is media Centre to it. It is the type of charity would want to be
:28:16. > :28:20.connected with. There will be more to come out from this. The fact that
:28:21. > :28:24.he has behaved the way he has is not that surprising when you look at
:28:25. > :28:28.what he was trying to do. The Government came under fire for
:28:29. > :28:32.awarding the money despite repeatedly expressed concerns from
:28:33. > :28:34.civil servants who said other organisations appeared to offer
:28:35. > :28:40.better value for money. Somebody somewhere in the echelons
:28:41. > :28:44.of Government has ignored that and said they do not want to know and
:28:45. > :28:49.has instructed that the glance be made. I would have thought that we
:28:50. > :28:53.really ought to know who did it and whether it was a good decision, I am
:28:54. > :28:58.sure they can produce the evidence and convince the rest of us.
:28:59. > :29:05.Embarrassing for the Prime Minister? Potentially, yes. Running a
:29:06. > :29:10.Government that emphasises saving money it seems irresponsible.
:29:11. > :29:13.There we have to leave it for this evening.
:29:14. > :29:16.That's all from us for this week, thanks for watching.