:00:00. > :00:00.As Syrian refugees settle down for their first night in Scotland,
:00:07. > :00:31.A low-key arrival for 103 Syrian refugees who touched down at
:00:32. > :00:38.will Scots greet them with open arms?
:00:39. > :00:46.I'll be speaking to Scottish Government minister Humza Yousaf.
:00:47. > :00:50.The Prime Minister says we shouldn't expect other countries to
:00:51. > :00:52.carry the burden of protecting the UK.
:00:53. > :00:55.He promises to set out a "comprehensive strategy" for air
:00:56. > :01:02.More than 100 Syrian refugees are spending their first night
:01:03. > :01:06.in Scotland tonight after arriving from camps in Jordan and Lebanon.
:01:07. > :01:09.The Scottish Government said it was a proud day for Scotland, with more
:01:10. > :01:15.They arrive here as the UK and other governments formulate their response
:01:16. > :01:20.to the weekend's deadly attacks in Paris and amid concerns that
:01:21. > :01:23.at least one of the attackers may have entered Europe through Greece
:01:24. > :01:29.The First Minister today said any concerns about those arriving
:01:30. > :01:30.from Syria were understandable but misplaced.
:01:31. > :01:55.This family are one of many to have fled the war-torn country of Syria.
:01:56. > :01:58.Until now they have been in a refugee camp in Jordan. Today they
:01:59. > :02:01.set off for a new life in Scotland. This evening about 100 Syrian
:02:02. > :02:07.refugees arrived in Glasgow on the first of several flights to you in
:02:08. > :02:13.the weeks ahead. For sound destination will be the Isle of
:02:14. > :02:20.Bute, locals have said they will be welcomed but some have predicted
:02:21. > :02:23.challenges. It's not a hugely multicultural island. I don't see
:02:24. > :02:27.that as a problem that it does present a challenge in this context,
:02:28. > :02:32.it will be something that will take a bit of getting used to. But
:02:33. > :02:37.Scotland has welcomed refugees before, such as the many families
:02:38. > :02:43.forced to leave Kosovo during the war there in the 1990s. Scotland has
:02:44. > :02:49.a long history of welcoming refugees, it's very proud of its
:02:50. > :02:52.history. We have been involved in the general asylum dispersal
:02:53. > :02:56.programme and resettlement programme back from the 1990s, when Kosovan
:02:57. > :03:01.refugees came here, through the more recent programmes. We are proud that
:03:02. > :03:06.Scotland will be one of the first areas in the UK to take the new
:03:07. > :03:12.Syrian refugees. But the new arrivals have come
:03:13. > :03:13.security concerns. It is the suggested that one of the bombers
:03:14. > :03:26.security concerns. It is the could have travelled through Europe
:03:27. > :03:31.using a suspected forged passport. There is a twofold security
:03:32. > :03:35.screening process, one by the United Nations High Commissioner for
:03:36. > :03:38.refugees, where they are registered with parametric eye tests and
:03:39. > :03:43.information about them, then when they are selected on the grounds of
:03:44. > :03:46.vulnerability, people who have suffered tragically, before they
:03:47. > :03:47.come here, apart from medical tests, they are given security checks by
:03:48. > :03:50.the Home Office. When it comes to tackling the real terrorists, could
:03:51. > :04:42.there be a political tackling the real terrorists, could
:04:43. > :06:17.great not to be drawn tackling the real terrorists, could
:06:18. > :06:22.commanders and liaison officers being vigilant, I don't have many
:06:23. > :06:27.fears, I'm sure people in Scotland will give these refugees a warm
:06:28. > :06:32.welcome. Even you yourself have suffered some online abuse over the
:06:33. > :06:38.weekend, we have heard today about a deliberate fire at a building used
:06:39. > :06:41.as a mosque, it does seem, even if it's a tiny minority, that there is
:06:42. > :06:47.some kind of backlash because of what has happened in Paris. They
:06:48. > :06:54.just tend to be after a terror attack, police say a spike in two or
:06:55. > :06:57.three days, what is important is communities have come together, the
:06:58. > :07:00.First Minister at the Glasgow Central Moscow was an important
:07:01. > :07:08.symbol to say, if there are any hate crimes against any communities, then
:07:09. > :07:14.the full force of the law will come down on those who perpetrate them
:07:15. > :07:18.and there will be zero tolerance. In my own case, the police have said as
:07:19. > :07:22.much to me when they have come to investigate, so I have full
:07:23. > :07:25.confidence that people from all communities, when they see these
:07:26. > :07:30.hate crimes happening, they will make sure people speak up against
:07:31. > :07:33.them. Whenever an attack like this happens, whenever there is a
:07:34. > :07:39.backlash or repercussions, I have always found them voices of good far
:07:40. > :07:43.outweigh the voices of negativity. Would you have preferred the
:07:44. > :07:48.refugees arriving into different circumstances? Nobody would have
:07:49. > :07:52.liked to have seen the circumstances we have to witness on Friday but we
:07:53. > :07:57.are where we are, what we shouldn't have done was delayed them arriving
:07:58. > :08:02.here for any longer, they have been living in camps for months,
:08:03. > :08:07.literally years, some of them. Tonight will be the first night many
:08:08. > :08:11.of them will be sleeping on a mattress, in a bed, under a roof,
:08:12. > :08:16.feeling safe for the first time in years. If we had delayed because of
:08:17. > :08:21.Friday, it would have been the wrong thing to have done. What lessons
:08:22. > :08:26.would you have learned from previous resettlement experiences about how
:08:27. > :08:30.to do it better this time? Hats off to Glasgow City Council, they have
:08:31. > :08:33.been great and sharing experiences and stop one of the things we have
:08:34. > :08:38.been guarded against and made sure we haven't done is concentrating
:08:39. > :08:46.refugees in one area, putting them into that perhaps wasn't suitable
:08:47. > :08:50.for the Scottish community here, high-rises, all of the in one block,
:08:51. > :08:55.that was the wrong thing to do, create your toes, it was something
:08:56. > :09:02.we were conscious not to do. -- create ghettos. For the first, many
:09:03. > :09:06.authorities have said they will be taking refugees, the Isle of Bute
:09:07. > :09:10.say they will be looking forward to welcoming refugees. I think it's
:09:11. > :09:17.great that we have been able to spread and disperse them wider. The
:09:18. > :09:22.public might be jittery, especially in the face of reports that one of
:09:23. > :09:25.the arrest attackers had actually come into Europe as a refugee. How
:09:26. > :09:33.confident are you that the vetting has been as good as it could be for
:09:34. > :09:37.these refugees? Those anxieties are understandable and we shouldn't
:09:38. > :09:42.dismiss them got refugees arriving today and the ones that will be
:09:43. > :09:47.arriving after, they haven't just been screened once but twice, once
:09:48. > :09:54.by the United Nations and a second time by the Home Office. So I am
:09:55. > :09:59.confident that the screening is robust. I would also say that these
:10:00. > :10:04.refugees are also fleeing the very same terror that we saw unfold in
:10:05. > :10:08.the streets of Paris just a few days ago. They have been on the receiving
:10:09. > :10:12.end of that, that's why they have left their homes in the first place.
:10:13. > :10:18.And these are the most vulnerable. So I would be confident they are
:10:19. > :10:22.genuine. You think we all write to feel safe after Friday? I can
:10:23. > :10:30.completely understand why people would be fearful. I would say, let's
:10:31. > :10:34.be on the alert, but let's not be alarmed. If we start to live our
:10:35. > :10:39.life in fear, we don't go out, we don't enjoy yourself socially, we
:10:40. > :10:46.are handing victory to the terrorists and that is in the last
:10:47. > :10:49.thing we want to do. The Metropolitan Police have increased
:10:50. > :10:52.the number of armed response vehicles in London by a third. EU
:10:53. > :10:57.think we need a similar response here? The police have been working
:10:58. > :11:04.with the government and local authority partners to assess what
:11:05. > :11:07.the threat level is here in the UK. And specifically in Scotland. I have
:11:08. > :11:12.every confidence the police will take every measure to ensure all
:11:13. > :11:16.communities is as safe as possible will stop the just not the alarmist,
:11:17. > :11:23.that is sure we have the correct intelligence on the ground, the
:11:24. > :11:28.important thing is we can not and terrorists victory by living our
:11:29. > :11:31.life in fear. This is the Metropolitan Police commissioner
:11:32. > :11:35.taking this action, if they have a more visible presence in London, is
:11:36. > :11:39.there a danger that someone like last go or Edinburgh might be more
:11:40. > :11:43.of a soft target? I wouldn't say that at all. Police Scotland work
:11:44. > :11:50.closely with divisions up and down the UK and that cooperation of
:11:51. > :11:53.intelligence information is shared, so if there was any threat to
:11:54. > :11:58.anybody here, we would know about that and we would take appropriate
:11:59. > :12:03.action. The security level hasn't increased, the threat level hasn't
:12:04. > :12:06.increased, and the UK Government doesn't feel that an attack is
:12:07. > :12:12.imminent so we have to keep that in perspective. We understand London is
:12:13. > :12:17.the capital, often will have a lot more attention, there may be safety
:12:18. > :12:24.concerns, think of the football match being played at Wembley, so
:12:25. > :12:27.there are circumstances that may have caused that, I don't know, but
:12:28. > :12:34.I know the police are taking every precaution here. Moving on to the
:12:35. > :12:38.Prime Minister on air strikes today, he's obviously trying to put the
:12:39. > :12:45.case for air strikes in Syria against IIS, he has said, should we
:12:46. > :12:49.really expect other countries to carry the burden of protecting our
:12:50. > :12:54.country? Doesn't he have a point? The question is whether air strikes
:12:55. > :13:01.would make you country safer. The second question is, dropping bombs,
:13:02. > :13:08.is that going to defeat I S? You have the US, France, Russia,
:13:09. > :13:17.dropping bombs. We are driven in. What's the difference? It hasn't
:13:18. > :13:19.made any difference to their ability across the world serving another
:13:20. > :13:26.country doing that, I am not concerned at will make a difference.
:13:27. > :13:30.The leader of the SNP has said as much, we would listen to what they
:13:31. > :13:36.promised as to say but it has to be part of a longer term strategy that
:13:37. > :13:39.creates stability across the region, not a knee jerk reaction. And
:13:40. > :13:47.doesn't fit the narrative that is Alex Tait have, that this is a war
:13:48. > :13:52.of Islam versus the West -- that Islamic State have. We will listen
:13:53. > :13:57.to what the Prime Minister has to say but we are sceptical of air
:13:58. > :14:01.strikes in Syria. The Prime Minister is offering a full spectrum
:14:02. > :14:05.approach, including military action, counterterrorism,
:14:06. > :14:09.humanitarian support, is it possible that the SNP will change its
:14:10. > :14:15.position? We've said all along we are sceptical of what has come along
:14:16. > :14:20.but we will listen to what the Prime Minister has to say but it has to be
:14:21. > :14:26.part of a longer-term strategy, about securing the long-term future
:14:27. > :14:32.we won't be safe in the long-term. So only a UN mandate? That is what
:14:33. > :14:38.we have said previously, that any monetary intervention should be
:14:39. > :14:40.sanctioned by the UN. That gives it important legal parameters. Thank
:14:41. > :14:43.you. The Minister for Europe and
:14:44. > :14:45.International Development, Humza Yousaf, speaking to me
:14:46. > :14:46.earlier. As we were hearing,
:14:47. > :14:49.the Prime Minister made it clear just today that he believes
:14:50. > :14:51.Britain's made armed forces should It looks likely that Parliament
:14:52. > :14:57.will vote on it before Christmas. But will he be able to convince MPs
:14:58. > :14:59.to support him? Many MPs, even some in his own
:15:00. > :15:13.party, remain to be convinced. My firm conviction is that we need
:15:14. > :15:17.to act against Isil in Syria. There is a compelling case for doing so.
:15:18. > :15:19.It is for the Government, I accept, to make the case to this House and
:15:20. > :15:23.the country. It's for the Government now,
:15:24. > :15:26.as the Prime Minister said today, They haven't done that yet, so it is
:15:27. > :15:33.for the Government to bring forward the arguments for why they believe
:15:34. > :15:36.this is justified and I believe we have to keep an open mind,
:15:37. > :15:45.we must not rule options out, but We need to see the UK -- why the UK
:15:46. > :15:52.adding to the bombing in Syria will add anything to the situation and we
:15:53. > :15:57.need a much more strong mandate not only across Syria and the Middle
:15:58. > :16:02.East. The international political agreement is what my and my
:16:03. > :16:10.committee think we should -- the Government should be focused on.
:16:11. > :16:13.When it is getting embroiled in an area complicated politically,
:16:14. > :16:17.militarily and legally, and if they are not going to make a significant
:16:18. > :16:18.difference to the outcome, it is a second order issue and we are
:16:19. > :16:21.completely London centric. Joining me now from London is
:16:22. > :16:23.Elizabeth Quintana, senior research fellow for air power at the
:16:24. > :16:33.Royal United Services Institute. Thank you for joining us. Do you
:16:34. > :16:40.think there is now a strong case for British military intervention in
:16:41. > :16:43.Syria? Well, the Prime Minister and Secretary of State have been making
:16:44. > :16:47.the case for a few months now, and it was quite clear from the recent
:16:48. > :16:50.strike from Jihadi John that Arab intelligence officials had been very
:16:51. > :16:59.closely involved in tracking a number of these people, and in fact
:17:00. > :17:03.our assets, over parts of Syria and that is also helping to disrupt
:17:04. > :17:08.threats back here in the UK. The difference is that we can't do the
:17:09. > :17:11.final bit, we can't pull the trigger, and the Prime Minister is
:17:12. > :17:15.increasingly frustrated about that. But if you think about everything
:17:16. > :17:22.that goes up until the point of pulling the trigger, UK officials
:17:23. > :17:26.are certainly involved in all of that and it is important when you
:17:27. > :17:32.have a threat level in the UK that is at least as great as it was just
:17:33. > :17:37.after 7/7 and after 9/11 on a sustained basis, with teenagers
:17:38. > :17:41.being radicalised within weeks, it is important that we firstly
:17:42. > :17:47.understand what is going on within Iraq but also, yes, collectively
:17:48. > :17:50.there is a much more concerted effort to disrupt this particular
:17:51. > :17:59.organisation. -- going on within Syria. We have just heard from Nat
:18:00. > :18:03.MP that saying -- saying bombing so far hasn't prevented IS from
:18:04. > :18:09.carrying out atrocities like that in Paris on Friday. No. There are a
:18:10. > :18:12.number of levels to Syria. The first issue is that there are many
:18:13. > :18:18.regional partners involved, some of which also support Isis. There are
:18:19. > :18:22.many foreign fighters coming to Syria. There are 15,000 also people
:18:23. > :18:27.who have been killed from within Isis but as many have joined them
:18:28. > :18:32.again, and obviously, as the connections grow across the world
:18:33. > :18:39.among them, we will continue to have attempts or successes like we saw in
:18:40. > :18:43.Paris and previously in Egypt, very unfortunately. But Isis is an
:18:44. > :18:47.organisation committed to global domination and it is locked in a war
:18:48. > :18:53.with our kinder, who is the biggest, baddest jihadists group across the
:18:54. > :19:00.Muslim world. -- with Al-Qaeda. So whether or not we act in Syria, the
:19:01. > :19:04.threat is likely to come here in the UK, and certainly that was made
:19:05. > :19:07.clear by the Home Secretary earlier this week. At the simplest level,
:19:08. > :19:13.though, lots of people are wondering, would bombing make
:19:14. > :19:17.Britain safer? Well, it depends whether you look at it in the
:19:18. > :19:22.short-term or in the long term. In the short-term, yes, potentially it
:19:23. > :19:30.might increase the risks to the UK and yes, it might focus the of Isis
:19:31. > :19:34.on the UK. But you have to ask whether that is worth leaving the
:19:35. > :19:39.organisation alone and whether we just carry on and hope for the best.
:19:40. > :19:43.And history would suggest even over the last 18 months that it's not an
:19:44. > :19:46.organisation that will sit on its hands and that it will look
:19:47. > :19:52.increasingly to find different ways to move elsewhere. So, yes,
:19:53. > :19:58.eventually we would need to tackle the problem at its source and, yes,
:19:59. > :20:05.we need to do everything we can to solve the Syrian Civil War, and the
:20:06. > :20:10.Vienna talks are very much to be in courage. But that doesn't solve the
:20:11. > :20:17.problem, which is ultimately that we need to tackle them on their home
:20:18. > :20:22.turf. Can you understand why the SNP, Labour, even the Tory dominated
:20:23. > :20:29.affairs Select Committee remain to be convinced? They don't see an exit
:20:30. > :20:33.strategy, for example. Well, that was an inquiry that was conducted
:20:34. > :20:38.with a particular end in mind without really listening to those
:20:39. > :20:52.giving evidence. But anyway! I understand people don't like the
:20:53. > :20:55.idea of engaging in militarily -- military activity that won't achieve
:20:56. > :20:59.the outcomes. We need tough people to resolve the Civil War and have a
:21:00. > :21:02.more concerted international effort but ultimately that will require,
:21:03. > :21:10.still, some kind of military action against Isis if we wish to undermine
:21:11. > :21:15.their narrative of success and undermine their hold on the
:21:16. > :21:20.territory in that part of Syria. Now, I also understand that people
:21:21. > :21:24.don't agree with the particular military strategy being used at the
:21:25. > :21:28.moment. They seem to think it is not comprehensive enough, and certainly
:21:29. > :21:34.you can look at different air campaigns and what the coalition is
:21:35. > :21:37.doing. One or two strikes on a daily basis in Syria, the French 20
:21:38. > :21:44.strikes in one day, the Russians using a much more aggressive
:21:45. > :21:47.approach - might not necessarily agree with that. But there are
:21:48. > :21:51.different ways you can conduct an air campaign. That's all I'm going
:21:52. > :21:54.to say on that issue. And certainly there are issues about needing to
:21:55. > :22:01.have a competent and appropriate ground force in concert with those
:22:02. > :22:04.strikes, so, yes, lots of questions about the way you take the fight to
:22:05. > :22:10.Isis, but there is certainly a need to get a grip pretty quickly
:22:11. > :22:14.because, like I said, this is not a problem that will go away. It will
:22:15. > :22:18.only get bigger. Thank you. We must leave it there.
:22:19. > :22:21.Here now to discuss some of the day's news are Daily Record
:22:22. > :22:22.journalist Anna Burnside, and The Herald's political editor,
:22:23. > :22:33.Thank you to you both are coming in. Let's kick off with the arrival
:22:34. > :22:37.of the Syrian refugees. It's been said they will be warmly welcomed by
:22:38. > :22:42.Scotland. Do you think it might be a little less warm in the wake of the
:22:43. > :22:50.Paris tax? No, I don't. It's true they have been a number of
:22:51. > :22:56.unpleasant incidents. -- Paris attacks. There was that event in
:22:57. > :23:01.Bishopbriggs which was potentially connected with this. I think
:23:02. > :23:06.potentially it makes the already difficult and sensitive job of
:23:07. > :23:14.settling people, often very traumatised, into a new country and
:23:15. > :23:17.a new way of life slightly harder. I agree also that Scotland's political
:23:18. > :23:22.leader struck exactly the right tone today. The First Minister, as MSPs
:23:23. > :23:28.were agreeing a motion of condolence with Paris, talked about not
:23:29. > :23:31.allowing the anger, shock and fear to undermine Scotland's reputation
:23:32. > :23:38.as an open and tolerant and welcoming place. And the other
:23:39. > :23:43.leaders spoke well, too. You know, echoing those sentiments. So I think
:23:44. > :23:54.for all of the idiocy, there are many more encouraging, really
:23:55. > :23:59.hopeful signs, including a Facebook page, which showed something like
:24:00. > :24:02.400 people wanted to turn up at the airport! Probably the last thing the
:24:03. > :24:07.authorities wanted! But to greet the refugees and show their support. So
:24:08. > :24:11.if it all goes quiet for three months or six months, we will start
:24:12. > :24:17.to his stories, good stories, about people rebuilding their lives in
:24:18. > :24:23.this country. -- start to hear stories. The times has a YouGov Paul
:24:24. > :24:35.saying support for resettling refugees have slumped. -- government
:24:36. > :24:46.-- Osman web poll. Do you think that is worrying? Yes. I do think them
:24:47. > :24:50.arising for plane at night -- arriving from a plane at night, you
:24:51. > :24:54.don't think that would have happened, so I do think it is
:24:55. > :24:58.worrying. I was heartened by what she said. I think the politicians
:24:59. > :25:03.are striking absolutely the right note but it's whether that extends
:25:04. > :25:07.down to the people in the street, in Glasgow, in Butte, in the cities,
:25:08. > :25:10.villages and towns where these people will be living. I just hope
:25:11. > :25:14.that is trickling down to them and their neighbours and the people
:25:15. > :25:18.their children are at school with, and so on, and other people in that
:25:19. > :25:24.poll, because that would be ghastly for them to have left the horrors of
:25:25. > :25:27.a refugee camp to come to Scotland in November and not be given the
:25:28. > :25:33.welcome they deserve. That would just be awful. But if it turns out
:25:34. > :25:38.that one of the Paris attackers did actually enter Europe as a refugee,
:25:39. > :25:44.aren't the public right to be a bit worried about that? I think their
:25:45. > :25:48.fears are absolutely understandable. But there have been repeated
:25:49. > :25:55.assurances about the vetting that will have taken place. The refugees
:25:56. > :26:00.coming to Scotland have been in camps. They are people whose
:26:01. > :26:09.identity is known. We are reassured that. So we perhaps have less reason
:26:10. > :26:17.to fear than you might think. Now, we saw that France were playing
:26:18. > :26:24.England at Wembley this evening. Jeremy Corbyn, Prince William were
:26:25. > :26:28.at the game. Do you think it is a gesture of defiance to see public
:26:29. > :26:34.figures at the game like that? Definitely. And there is certainly a
:26:35. > :26:36.feeling coming from Paris that as a city and country, France doesn't
:26:37. > :26:40.want this attack to stop people doing the things they enjoy, like
:26:41. > :26:49.going to big sporting events, like going to the cafe for a coffee,
:26:50. > :26:53.discussing philosophy, smoking. And I think that's a lovely and very
:26:54. > :27:00.French response to this horrible, horrible atrocity, and it's great to
:27:01. > :27:05.see the crowd at a big football match making a rather hand fisted
:27:06. > :27:10.attempt to sing the Marseillaise and making eight big group mass
:27:11. > :27:16.statement like that. -- making a big group mass statement. Are the public
:27:17. > :27:21.actually feeling defiant or are they just fearful? We have heard of
:27:22. > :27:22.another bomb threat. The German authorities in Hanover were right to
:27:23. > :27:29.take that action. We have to be authorities in Hanover were right to
:27:30. > :27:57.deemed necessary in London tonight. crowd out what football match, that
:27:58. > :28:04.is the prevailing sentiment. -- out to watch a football match. That is
:28:05. > :28:09.great. Charlie Hebdo tonight has its latest cover to be published
:28:10. > :28:13.tomorrow. What do you think of that? That is what it is all about. It is
:28:14. > :29:58.tomorrow. What do you think of that? saying, well, I would