:00:00. > :00:00.The Prime Minister announces his strategic defence review -
:00:00. > :00:30.Another strategic defence review, another row about whether the Prime
:00:31. > :00:37.Central Brussels goes into a fourth day of lockdown - we'll hear what
:00:38. > :00:43.And what chance of ever returning to everyday life?
:00:44. > :00:45.On the trail of the refugees escaping
:00:46. > :00:55.There's mixed news for Scotland in the UK Government's Defence Review.
:00:56. > :01:00.The Prime Minister has announced that nine new maritime patrol
:01:01. > :01:03.aircraft will be based at RAF Lossiemouth in Moray -
:01:04. > :01:07.five years after it got rid of the Nimrod fleet.
:01:08. > :01:10.But the SNP has criticised an apparent reduction
:01:11. > :01:13.in the number of Type 26 warships due to be built on the Clyde.
:01:14. > :01:16.In a moment we'll be discuss the implications, but first
:01:17. > :01:30.Early this morning be Prime Minister David Cameron was in Paris. He laid
:01:31. > :01:34.flowers and paid his respects to the 130 victims of the terror attacks
:01:35. > :01:40.ten days ago. Later in the Commons, he outlined his comment's ?178
:01:41. > :01:46.billion plans to keep the country safe. We will buy nine new maritime
:01:47. > :01:50.patrol aircraft to be based in Scotland at RAF Lossiemouth. They
:01:51. > :01:55.will protect our nuclear deterrent. We will hunt down hostile submarines
:01:56. > :01:59.and will enhance our maritime search and rescue. And we will buy it least
:02:00. > :02:05.13 new frigates and two new offshore patrol vessels. This will include
:02:06. > :02:13.two 5000 strong strike the great that can be rapidly deployed --
:02:14. > :02:19.strike brigade. Nine Boeing maritime patrol aircraft to be stationed at
:02:20. > :02:23.RAF Lossiemouth. But there will be a reduction in the number of Type 26
:02:24. > :02:26.frigates. This review is a mixed bag for Scotland. On the one hand
:02:27. > :02:33.maritime patrol aircraft will be back again Mr Moray. The previous
:02:34. > :02:36.Nimrod fleet were scrapped in 2010. But it is not good news for
:02:37. > :02:41.shipyards like you are in Govan. They were promised 15 Type 26
:02:42. > :02:50.frigates, but they will only get it. Prior to the referendum on
:02:51. > :02:53.Scottish independence, April UK Better Together campaign claimed the
:02:54. > :03:01.only way to protect should building jobs on the Clyde was to vote no.
:03:02. > :03:07.Today they said the government had gone back on the promise to ship
:03:08. > :03:15.workers in the Clyde. We were promised would be 13 Type 26s, and
:03:16. > :03:20.to get only eight is a betrayal of the workers under of Scotland. We
:03:21. > :03:26.are seeing a cutback in our conventional defence forces to pay
:03:27. > :03:29.for the overspend on Trident. That view was dismissed by the union
:03:30. > :03:33.which represents ship workers. It said this was great news for
:03:34. > :03:37.Clydeside, which has been rewarded for its continuing quality of work.
:03:38. > :03:41.The leader of the Labour Party questioned elements of the review.
:03:42. > :03:45.Labour support the increased expenditure to strengthen our
:03:46. > :03:48.security services but was announced to protect against the threat of
:03:49. > :03:54.terrorism. However, faced with the current threat, the public will not
:03:55. > :04:02.accept any cuts to front-line policing. In Lossiemouth there was
:04:03. > :04:10.relief. Lossiemouth will contain two easiest, I think it is good. --
:04:11. > :04:16.Lossiemouth will continue to exist. It is a good idea. It will be good
:04:17. > :04:20.for Moray. Rescue services, I think we can do with it. Have taken enough
:04:21. > :04:26.away from us, we could do something back. With terror attacks in Paris
:04:27. > :04:30.and police operations in Brussels, minds are focused on national
:04:31. > :04:33.security. Tomorrow there will be an SNP debate on Trident in the
:04:34. > :04:38.Commons, and on Thursday David Cameron will try to get consent for
:04:39. > :04:39.air strikes on so-called Islamic State in Syria.
:04:40. > :04:42.Just before we came on air I spoke to Professor Evan Mawdsley from
:04:43. > :04:49.the Scottish Centre for War Studies at the University of Glasgow.
:04:50. > :04:57.This is a very different review to that in 2010. What is the overall
:04:58. > :05:00.strategy? The difference is that 2010 was about cutting, and this is
:05:01. > :05:10.about going on, in theory having made the cuts. It is about trying to
:05:11. > :05:13.make sure -- insure Britain's security and a number of ways across
:05:14. > :05:18.a broad spectrum. The reviews about defence and also about national
:05:19. > :05:26.security, anti-terrorist, anti-crime and so on. It also includes an
:05:27. > :05:31.element of making the world safer, having aid programmes. One of the
:05:32. > :05:41.stresses is on meeting a 2 present defence expenditure but also having
:05:42. > :05:49.a 0.7% of funding for aid as well. -- to present defence its editor.
:05:50. > :05:53.What is it a bit Britain's role in the world and we're David Cameron
:05:54. > :05:56.would like it to be? A lot of what was said today was about written
:05:57. > :06:00.being a major power and punching above its weight. And that is kind
:06:01. > :06:05.of the thrust of what is being said in the review. Not only in terms of
:06:06. > :06:08.actual hardware but in terms of other things that Britain does
:06:09. > :06:16.financially, and providing aid and security. It is a very broad brush
:06:17. > :06:21.things. Seen Britain has a very important place. There are more
:06:22. > :06:24.people in the French Armed Forces them are in the British Armed
:06:25. > :06:27.Forces, but the argument is that Britain does things differently and
:06:28. > :06:31.has a wider range of our and that makes it a major player, and that
:06:32. > :06:36.includes the Trident dimensional as well. The government says that this
:06:37. > :06:42.defence review is good news for Scotland. Is it? It is hard to say.
:06:43. > :06:46.On the whole borough is not that much that is new about Scotland in
:06:47. > :06:50.the review. The one thing which I think is probably knew which it does
:06:51. > :06:57.say is talking about the shipbuilding programme, and rather
:06:58. > :06:59.than building 13 Type 26 they will only build eight, and they will
:07:00. > :07:04.build a number of light frigates instead to make up the gap they are
:07:05. > :07:08.about half the size and much less capable, and it would not
:07:09. > :07:13.necessarily be built in Scotland. That is one thing which is
:07:14. > :07:19.uncertain. There is the possibility of that would mean less work on the
:07:20. > :07:24.Clyde. The Government's argument is that if you make a cheaper ship you
:07:25. > :07:32.can export it. Being flexible and exportable. You can sell them to
:07:33. > :07:34.other parties, which would be not entirely a new development for
:07:35. > :07:41.Britain. That would be another part of it. Also for Scotland they talked
:07:42. > :07:46.about getting back the maritime patrol aircraft capability which was
:07:47. > :07:52.lost in the last defence review when they scrapped the Nimrods, with this
:07:53. > :07:56.new aircraft which they will purchase in the United States they
:07:57. > :08:01.will get that back again. How difficult is it for a government to
:08:02. > :08:04.determine threat and risk over the longer term and commits the right
:08:05. > :08:09.level of resources? It is impossible. And basically can be
:08:10. > :08:14.done, and something the review says is that we cannot predict the
:08:15. > :08:17.future, all we can do is look at threats. There is a national threat
:08:18. > :08:24.assessment as part of the review which says, the kind of things we
:08:25. > :08:27.have to worry about. There are different years of threats, and in
:08:28. > :08:34.each one there are different things. -- there are different
:08:35. > :08:37.levels of threats. If you think about the last week, you could not
:08:38. > :08:41.have predicted that what the invitations would be. You could not
:08:42. > :08:46.have predicted a UN resolution either. These things are very
:08:47. > :08:50.uncertain, but more than that they are thinking ten or 15 years ahead,
:08:51. > :08:52.and that is impossible to plan precisely.
:08:53. > :08:55.Joining me now from Westminster is the SNP's
:08:56. > :08:58.Defence Spokesperson Brendan O'Hara and in Aberdeen for the Scottish
:08:59. > :09:10.Alex Johnson, this review gives with one hand and takes away with the
:09:11. > :09:14.other. It is good news for Lossiemouth, but it does fall short
:09:15. > :09:19.of what he ship builders were promised during the referendum
:09:20. > :09:24.campaign. And do not believe it does at all. Mike the decision to limit
:09:25. > :09:29.the Type 26 programme to only eight ships was possibly political, but
:09:30. > :09:34.more importantly the Prime Minister gave the commitment to 13 frigates
:09:35. > :09:38.in a statement today, and these will be of a new design and build which
:09:39. > :09:42.will be capable of being built on the Clyde and attractive to navies
:09:43. > :09:47.around the world that have traditionally bought British Ipsa.
:09:48. > :09:53.But they were promised 13 Type 26 frigates. Current order is for
:09:54. > :09:56.eight. In a defence review it is necessary to review needs for the
:09:57. > :10:01.future. The government have said that we need eight Type 26 frigates
:10:02. > :10:06.that are planned, but we need a different type of frigates going
:10:07. > :10:10.forward. That is a huge opportunity for the shipyards on the Clyde to
:10:11. > :10:15.develop a new ship, one that can be marketed effectively be on the UK
:10:16. > :10:20.and the Royal Navy. A huge opportunity am a Brendan, this
:10:21. > :10:27.morning you were calling this a betrayal, but the union do not feel
:10:28. > :10:32.betrayed, they welcomed the plans. For Bren suggest this is somehow
:10:33. > :10:37.acceptable and eight was always on the plan, this is nonsense, indeed
:10:38. > :10:44.there it is in black-and-white. We were promised during the referendum
:10:45. > :10:52.13. Absolutely unequivocal. In 14 months somehow this government has
:10:53. > :10:58.lost five Type 26 frigates, which means they cannot be trusted. And it
:10:59. > :11:04.is a betrayal. And furthermore, this idea that these five ghost ships
:11:05. > :11:08.will suddenly materialise, I don't know where people are getting that
:11:09. > :11:15.from because again I would advise Alex to have a look, the only figure
:11:16. > :11:20.mentioned is eight. The prime minister when he stood up today was
:11:21. > :11:23.the only person who is mentioned these five new frigates, it is not
:11:24. > :11:30.in the document and it is not what Scotland was promised. And therefore
:11:31. > :11:33.it is a betrayal. Alex Johstone, the Prime Minister has said the lighter
:11:34. > :11:37.frigates can be built in Scotland if conditions are right, that does not
:11:38. > :11:43.sound like a promise. Indeed, when new orders are made it is essential
:11:44. > :11:46.that shipyards compete for these orders, and we have on the Clyde
:11:47. > :11:50.some of the finest warship yards anywhere in the world and their
:11:51. > :11:53.performance is quite extraordinary in what they have been able to
:11:54. > :11:58.produce and the quality of the ships they have produced over the years.
:11:59. > :12:05.So why not commit to those lighter frigates as well today? It is
:12:06. > :12:12.absolutely essential in a defence review that we consider the needs of
:12:13. > :12:14.UK forces as we go forward. And that is why any defence review as we have
:12:15. > :12:18.heard today the government have made a radical decision to limit the
:12:19. > :12:22.number of Type 26 frigates that happen build and go forward with
:12:23. > :12:27.another type of frigate which is better suited to our needs and
:12:28. > :12:29.perhaps the needs of other nations that are interested in buying
:12:30. > :12:36.British ships in the future. That is the kind of change that defence
:12:37. > :12:39.reviews are about. The idea that you can lay plans years in advance and
:12:40. > :12:46.expect to carry them out without any flexibility is naive in the
:12:47. > :12:59.extreme. We are talking about a 40 present cat. A 40 present cat in 14
:13:00. > :13:05.months. -- A14% cut. Somebody during the referendum campaign was not
:13:06. > :13:07.telling the truth. Brendan O'Hara, the prime minister also said today
:13:08. > :13:11.the only way these lighter frigates would not be built in Scotland was
:13:12. > :13:15.of Scotland was independent. Is the truth not that an independent
:13:16. > :13:19.Scotland would not have the resources of the Royal Navy
:13:20. > :13:36.Scotland would not have the would be building fewer ships? The
:13:37. > :13:42.Scotland would not have the Scotland cannot be underestimated.
:13:43. > :13:49.In north Atlantic bay such as Faslane, a conventional use for
:13:50. > :13:55.Faslane is something which Nato would be desperate to get its hands
:13:56. > :13:59.on. Scotland has a very bright non-nuclear future, and the base at
:14:00. > :14:00.Faslane has an equally bright non-nuclear future as part of
:14:01. > :16:21.Scotland's ongoing commitment to The Sunday Herald's Foreign Editor
:16:22. > :16:24.David Pratt has just returned from a ten-day trip following the
:16:25. > :16:40.refugee trail from the Syria-Turkey And macro good evening. Ed has been
:16:41. > :16:44.quite a trip. You have met quite a lot of refugees along the way,
:16:45. > :16:49.taking a lot of photos. What is the story behind this image?
:16:50. > :16:56.This is a man who made the crossing from Turkey to Kos some weeks ago,
:16:57. > :17:00.and during the course of that crossing, the dinghy which he was in
:17:01. > :17:05.with his family, his four children, capsized, and he spent two macro
:17:06. > :17:08.hours in the water with his children clinging to him. One of his
:17:09. > :17:11.children, his son, eventually drifted off, and is still missing.
:17:12. > :17:18.He made it to shore. Subsequently, his youngest daughter died shortly
:17:19. > :17:23.afterwards. This is now a man that had four children, who now has two
:17:24. > :17:27.children, and he is stranded at the moment in Kos. His experience is not
:17:28. > :17:32.that different from so many people who are making the crossing as we
:17:33. > :17:36.speak. As we sit here tonight, many people are coming across in dinghy
:17:37. > :17:40.is like the one he came across in. There are other striking images from
:17:41. > :17:42.your trip of refugees who have just landed from pretty paralyse
:17:43. > :17:48.journeys. Talk me through these photos.
:17:49. > :17:53.-- pretty perilous journeys. These are volunteers on either side, women
:17:54. > :17:56.you have just come across one of the overnight crossings.
:17:57. > :17:59.This is a refugee who has just arrived, with an emergency blanket
:18:00. > :18:02.on. It is very cold here at this time of year, and they usually come
:18:03. > :18:07.across between midnight and five a.m.. It is bitterly cold. They are
:18:08. > :18:11.terrified, cold, bedraggled, and uncertain as to what lies ahead for
:18:12. > :18:15.them in the future. And of course, they are very traumatised from what
:18:16. > :18:18.they experienced in Syria. Not all refugees make the journey
:18:19. > :18:24.into Europe. Some decide to stay into Turkey. Talk me through that.
:18:25. > :18:29.This is a shot from a port city, called Ismir. This family are living
:18:30. > :18:34.in shop fronts and a rundown neighbourhood there. There are tens
:18:35. > :18:37.thousands of refugees. There is a conception that all Syrian refugees
:18:38. > :18:39.want to come to Europe, but the vast majority want to stay in Turkey or
:18:40. > :18:43.near to the border, because they feel it is the best place to get
:18:44. > :18:47.back to their home if and when peace breaks out. Your trip comes at a
:18:48. > :18:50.time when the Prime Minister seems to have made up his own mind about
:18:51. > :18:54.air strikes in Syria. He obviously needs the backing of
:18:55. > :18:58.Parliament. What do you think the impact will be on the floor that
:18:59. > :19:04.would flow of refugees if Britain does join in with air strikes?
:19:05. > :19:08.I went with one of the largest humanitarian agencies, based in
:19:09. > :19:15.Edinburgh, and speaking to aid workers, speaking to refugees
:19:16. > :19:18.themselves, there has been a dramatic escalation on the ground,
:19:19. > :19:21.since the Russian intervention. Many people I spoke to have spent there
:19:22. > :19:27.were lead is specifically because of those air strikes or the knock-on
:19:28. > :19:30.effect on the ground on fighting. If France is already adding to that,
:19:31. > :19:33.and if Britain in turn adds to those air strikes, we can expect more
:19:34. > :19:38.refugees coming across. Frankly, Europe can't have it both ways. We
:19:39. > :19:41.can't go bombing in Syria, then throw up our hands in dismay and
:19:42. > :19:46.say, goodness me, there are a lot more refugees fleeing the country.
:19:47. > :19:49.But that will inevitably happen. Whether or not the air strikes are
:19:50. > :19:54.effective in terms of eradicating or getting rid of IS on the ground,
:19:55. > :20:01.so-called Islamic State, is questionable. Like many people, I
:20:02. > :20:03.would like to see that organisation eviscerated and got rid of. But
:20:04. > :20:09.whether that is the correct strategy to adopt is open to question.
:20:10. > :20:10.There we must leave it. Thank you for coming in.
:20:11. > :20:13.on lockdown for the third day running.
:20:14. > :20:15.Sixteen people were arrested by the police on Sunday night,
:20:16. > :20:18.but no weapons or explosives were seized.
:20:19. > :20:21.Salah Abdeslam, a suspect in the Paris attacks,
:20:22. > :20:25.who's thought to be in Belgium, was not among those arrested.
:20:26. > :20:27.Soldiers are patrolling the streets as the city remains
:20:28. > :20:31.on the highest level of alert of a terrorist attack.
:20:32. > :20:36.Shops, schools and the metro system will reopen tomorrow.
:20:37. > :20:38.Lindsay Mancheeney from Edinburgh has been living in Brussels
:20:39. > :20:47.for the last ten years and I spoke to her just before we came on air.
:20:48. > :20:57.What is the mood like there? As you can imagine, it is pretty
:20:58. > :21:01.tense. There are not a lot of people out and about. A lot of the shops
:21:02. > :21:07.are closed, most of the shops. The Metro and the schools are closed.
:21:08. > :21:12.And people are generally staying at home as much as possible. So it is
:21:13. > :21:17.very tense, very strange. It feels a bit like a ghost city, and the
:21:18. > :21:20.police and military are everywhere, basically.
:21:21. > :21:23.And I know you yourself are expecting a baby. There must be
:21:24. > :21:27.quite a lot of anxiety for you to deal with.
:21:28. > :21:35.Well, yes. The baby is due soon, and I have also got a little toddler at
:21:36. > :21:39.home, so it is quite a lot of organisation, really, because we are
:21:40. > :21:43.still supposed to be going to work, but nurseries and schools are
:21:44. > :21:48.closed, so it is quite difficult trying to juggle everything. I am
:21:49. > :21:54.eight months pregnant on top of that, so that makes things a bit
:21:55. > :21:57.more difficult. But to be honest, it is mainly managing day-to-day which
:21:58. > :22:02.is the main worry. And have you been able to venture out at all?
:22:03. > :22:07.Have you wanted to? We do feel safer at home, but I must
:22:08. > :22:13.admit, we have ventured out somewhat. As you can imagine, with a
:22:14. > :22:18.little one at home, staying in for three days on the trot is a
:22:19. > :22:23.challenge in itself, so I must admit, we have gone out a futile as,
:22:24. > :22:28.but very short visits, very quick trips to the shops to buy a pint of
:22:29. > :22:31.milk, a quick trip around the park, and then home, because the
:22:32. > :22:36.atmosphere in the city is really not conducive to going for a nice walk
:22:37. > :22:39.or having a nice time. So we have ventured out occasionally, but we
:22:40. > :22:43.are staying at home as much as possible.
:22:44. > :22:46.One lighter note I was aware of, Belgian police asked citizens not to
:22:47. > :22:49.tweet about the armed operations going on, and I understand the
:22:50. > :22:59.people there responded with cat pictures. Yes! Is that a typically
:23:00. > :23:02.Belgian response? Yes, I think so. The Belgians are quite known for
:23:03. > :23:09.their slightly left of centre sense of humour, so people in the centre
:23:10. > :23:14.of town really had a view on those big operations on Sunday. Of course,
:23:15. > :23:20.the tweets were going crazy initially, and then eventually,
:23:21. > :23:24.everyone cottoned on to this idea to replace any information with cat
:23:25. > :23:29.pictures, so I think it is probably a way of Belgians letting off steam
:23:30. > :23:33.and a little insight into their sense of humour, probably. Well, I
:23:34. > :23:35.hope the situation gets back to normal for you soon.
:23:36. > :23:36.Thank you bring much, Lindsay Mancini in Brussels.
:23:37. > :23:37.Let's look at those events in Brussels
:23:38. > :23:41.with businessman Iain McGill, a former Conservative candidate,
:23:42. > :23:43.and Cat Headley, who is a Labour candidate at
:23:44. > :23:55.Welcome to you both this evening. As we have been on air, the US State
:23:56. > :24:00.Department has issued a worldwide travel alert on Monday, warning US
:24:01. > :24:05.citizens of the risk of travelling, because of what is described as
:24:06. > :24:08.increased terrorist threats. Do you think we're just going to have to
:24:09. > :24:14.start getting used to this as a sort of world that we are living in?
:24:15. > :24:21.Yes. Do you know, Isis are out to get us. They are not content causing
:24:22. > :24:28.terror in Iraq and Syria. They want to bring the fight to us, very much.
:24:29. > :24:32.At the moment, we very much have to trust the authorities, back them,
:24:33. > :24:35.and ensure they are getting the right... And down the line,
:24:36. > :24:38.scrutinise them and make sure everything they are doing was for
:24:39. > :24:43.the right reasons, and C were we can learn from it, because Isis are
:24:44. > :24:47.serious about destroying our way of life. They hate the good things in
:24:48. > :24:53.life, and that is pretty much where we are just now. So, cities in
:24:54. > :24:59.lockdown, heavy-handed policing, is that just the reality of especially
:25:00. > :25:02.living in a big an area now, do you think?
:25:03. > :25:07.Well, what happened in Brussels in the last couple of days has really
:25:08. > :25:10.highlighted the sort of reaction that there can be to these threats,
:25:11. > :25:15.and I have been thinking about it in terms of, it is highly likely that
:25:16. > :25:20.there has been an equivalent threat in the UK, but the decision has been
:25:21. > :25:25.made that rather than locking down a city or a town, that you get on with
:25:26. > :25:30.it, and that you run the risk that bad things might happen. So you have
:25:31. > :25:33.this awful conundrum that I do not envy the people who have to make
:25:34. > :25:37.this decision, which is either that you lockdown, and in fact, somehow
:25:38. > :25:43.give the terrorists what they want, which is used stop a way of life,
:25:44. > :25:46.but that you also protect their way of life. On the other hand, you can
:25:47. > :25:50.continue with your everyday life and risked a horrible things like we saw
:25:51. > :25:53.in Paris, and in these kind of situations, I think we are in new
:25:54. > :25:58.territory with the kind of threats we are seeing all over the world,
:25:59. > :26:04.Beirut, Egypt, Paris, Brussels. In many other places in between, as
:26:05. > :26:07.well. And I think it is going to be a tough time for the security
:26:08. > :26:11.services, but we need to make the right decisions that don't let them
:26:12. > :26:16.when, and protect our way of life at the same time, and our freedoms.
:26:17. > :26:20.We have seen the French president standing side-by-side with the Prime
:26:21. > :26:23.Minister today and some quite powerful images. The Prime Minister
:26:24. > :26:27.now says it is his firm conviction the UK should join air strikes, but
:26:28. > :26:34.the decision will be up to MPs. We have also seen Fred aircraft -- a
:26:35. > :26:39.French aircraft carrier launching its first strikes in Syria and Iraq.
:26:40. > :26:41.How much pressure do you is the Prime Minister to reassert
:26:42. > :26:44.Britain's plays in the the world stage?
:26:45. > :26:47.There is more to showing solidarity with France than putting a French
:26:48. > :26:54.flag on your Facebook profile. That is very easy to do, but solidarity
:26:55. > :26:57.is very much, Isis took the fight to us here. They committed atrocities,
:26:58. > :27:01.and they have been committing atrocities in Syria and Iraq for a
:27:02. > :27:07.few years now. Committing atrocities on our doorstep now. Do you know, if
:27:08. > :27:11.we are serious about solidarity with France, but also with Australia,
:27:12. > :27:15.with America, with our allies who are taking their fight to Isis, it
:27:16. > :27:18.is so important we pass this boat and we take our place on the world
:27:19. > :27:22.stage. It is what we need to be doing. Take the fight to Isis, show
:27:23. > :27:26.solidarity with our neighbours. David Cameron has made his position
:27:27. > :27:29.very clear tonight. John McDonnell as saying after the parliamentary
:27:30. > :27:32.Labour Party meeting that Labour will wait and see what the
:27:33. > :27:35.government's plans are before deciding what to do in a Commons
:27:36. > :27:38.vote. Is that a sustainable position?
:27:39. > :27:43.I think everyone is united in their idea that Isis need to be gone,
:27:44. > :27:47.their death cult needs to be eradicated from the face of the
:27:48. > :27:52.earth, and they need to be stopped where they are and stopped from
:27:53. > :27:58.hurting and killing people elsewhere. Dan Jarvis has denied
:27:59. > :28:04.without an article in the Guardian where he describes five tests that
:28:05. > :28:08.he would see as being important for establishing going to air strikes.
:28:09. > :28:13.What difference does the UK getting involved mean? We need to have a
:28:14. > :28:19.plan for political peace in Syria, and it needs to be economic pressure
:28:20. > :28:25.put on Isis. There needs to be reconstruction plans, and there also
:28:26. > :28:31.needs to be more strengthening the cohesion in UK society, and I think
:28:32. > :28:34.we need to set out a clear moral case for the strikes, but also, the
:28:35. > :28:38.justification that needs to be there, so that people can no that
:28:39. > :28:40.this happened in a context rather than just bombing for bombing's
:28:41. > :28:44.sake. There is not a lot of time left, but
:28:45. > :28:48.I'd like to talk briefly about the defence review. Again, very
:28:49. > :28:51.different tone to this defence review can bet the last one. It
:28:52. > :28:56.seems to be all about projecting British values all around the world.
:28:57. > :29:00.-- compare to the last one. Is that what matters?
:29:01. > :29:03.There is a different tone to the last one, and there will be another
:29:04. > :29:06.one in a couple of years, with a different tone again. Because the
:29:07. > :29:11.world changes, the defence review is change. From the last one, one of
:29:12. > :29:14.the real differences is, we were coming in in a place where the UK
:29:15. > :29:21.economy wasn't in a strong place. Now, it is in a strong place. The
:29:22. > :29:25.defence programme had a financial black hole bigger than the defence
:29:26. > :29:29.budget. Now, we have relieved the economic strain, and it means we can
:29:30. > :29:37.carry on and be strong in defence. Our two 2% Nato obligations and
:29:38. > :29:42.national aid obligations. It is good news all around. Part of that is,
:29:43. > :29:45.economic security leads to security. I'm afraid we're out of time. Thank
:29:46. > :29:46.you both very much for coming in this evening.
:29:47. > :29:48.That's all from us tonight. Thank you for watching.
:29:49. > :29:51.I'll be back at the same time tomorrow night.
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