:00:00. > :00:00.The family of three people who died in the Glasgow bin lorry crash are
:00:07. > :00:24.starting a private prosecution against the driver.
:00:25. > :00:30.Was the Crown Office right not to prosecute Harry Clarke and
:00:31. > :00:36.We'll debate the questions raised by today's fatal accident inquiry
:00:37. > :00:40.We're in Paris, where the First Minister says she's
:00:41. > :00:43."cautiously optimistic" a bold and ambitious deal can be agreed
:00:44. > :00:50.And an architecture collective which specialises
:00:51. > :00:52.in regeneration has won this year's Turner Prize - hosted
:00:53. > :01:03.We'll be speaking to the winners, live, at the Tramway Arts Centre.
:01:04. > :01:06.The families of three of the six people who died in the Glasgow
:01:07. > :01:09.bin lorry crash are planning to take legal action against the driver.
:01:10. > :01:12.A fatal accident inquiry has laid the blame for the crash at
:01:13. > :01:16.the door of Harry Clarke, who passed out at the wheel of the lorry.
:01:17. > :01:19.Sheriff Beckett ruled the crash might have been avoided
:01:20. > :01:24.if Mr Clarke had told the truth about his medical history.
:01:25. > :01:27.He also said two doctors who saw Mr Clarke could have taken action that
:01:28. > :01:41.It was just three days before Christmas, the streets busy with
:01:42. > :01:48.shoppers and workers edition early for the holidays. At around 2:30pm
:01:49. > :01:51.in the afternoon a 26 tonne bin lorry ran out of control on Queen
:01:52. > :01:58.Street, crashing into pedestrians and finally the Millennium Hotel.
:01:59. > :02:02.Six people were killed, all within 19 seconds. There were 18-year-old
:02:03. > :02:08.student Erin McQuade and her grandparents Lorraine and Jack
:02:09. > :02:11.Sweeney, Stephanie Tate, Gillian Ewing and Jacqueline Morton. 15
:02:12. > :02:16.people were also injured. The driver Harry Clarke had collapsed
:02:17. > :02:19.unconscious at the wheel. At the time he said he could not remember
:02:20. > :02:23.what had happened but at the fatal accident enquiry earlier this year
:02:24. > :02:27.it came out he had a history of blackouts. Sheriff Beckett today
:02:28. > :02:34.said Harry Clarke deliberately misled doctors about his medical
:02:35. > :02:38.history. He lied to the DVLA, two doctors and his employers to keep
:02:39. > :02:42.his job and driving licence. There were a precaution is that if taken
:02:43. > :02:45.may have made the accident affordable. It appears from the
:02:46. > :02:51.report that the accident could have been avoided. Whereas we had always
:02:52. > :03:00.been told it could not have been avoided. That is quite shocking. It
:03:01. > :03:04.is just really shocking. The public are not being
:03:05. > :03:09.sufficiently protected against the likes of Harry Clarke. They asked
:03:10. > :03:13.the question again how was it that someone like Harry Clarke was able
:03:14. > :03:20.to slip through every net with impunity. We're not entirely sure
:03:21. > :03:24.that what is being recommended here will prevent that. Sheriff Beckett
:03:25. > :03:29.also made several recommendations. Increasing penalties for people who
:03:30. > :03:31.fail to disclose information. A consultation on whether doctors
:03:32. > :03:38.should be given greater freedom or an obligation to report driving
:03:39. > :03:42.concerns to the DVLA. And recruitment and training changes at
:03:43. > :03:46.Glasgow City Council where Harry Clarke worked. We will make the
:03:47. > :03:51.changes we are recommended to make to try to stop this happening in the
:03:52. > :03:53.future. It highlighted that many of the problems were caused by the
:03:54. > :04:02.driver not telling the truth. We will make changes to recruitment
:04:03. > :04:07.processes. During the fatal accident enquiry Harry Clarke did not answer
:04:08. > :04:11.many questions put to him as this could prejudice further
:04:12. > :04:14.prosecutions. Tonight the family of Erin McQuade and Jack and Lorraine
:04:15. > :04:19.Sweeney said they were beginning a private persecution against them.
:04:20. > :04:23.The Crown says it's banned by the prosecution not to bring charges but
:04:24. > :04:27.one health and safety expert says it could have been done. The
:04:28. > :04:30.requirement under legislation is for employers to ensure as far as is
:04:31. > :04:34.practicable that both their workforce and others, which would
:04:35. > :04:39.include the public, are protected. If there is a failure in protection
:04:40. > :04:43.with serious injuries and the talent is as a result it would seem to
:04:44. > :04:48.indicate there may be feathers in the system. There are criticisms of
:04:49. > :04:51.other bodies, Glasgow City Council, the DVLA and first Glasgow. All
:04:52. > :04:58.these organisations are considering recommendations. All along the line
:04:59. > :05:02.we have had problems occurring from the top in terms of what government
:05:03. > :05:07.and government agencies do, through to the employer right down to the
:05:08. > :05:10.employee. I think it would be wrong to say the person at the bottom is
:05:11. > :05:16.the person where the buck stops. So how likely is it there could be a
:05:17. > :05:20.law compelling doctors to tell the DVLA if they think that patients are
:05:21. > :05:25.not fit to drive customer is under health and safety legislation and
:05:26. > :05:29.will ultimately be up to the UK Government to decide. If Harry
:05:30. > :05:33.Clarke had not told lies in the deaths of six people could've been
:05:34. > :05:38.avoided. There are also lessons for other in this report, so the focus
:05:39. > :05:41.could shift onto making improvements to try to ensure something like this
:05:42. > :05:43.never happens again. Joining me now in the studio to
:05:44. > :05:48.discuss the legal implications of today's report is Dr Nick
:05:49. > :05:51.McKerrell from Glasgow Caledonian University and health journalist
:05:52. > :06:06.Pennie Taylor is here to talk I start with the legal position. The
:06:07. > :06:09.Crown Office always said there was not enough evidence to prosecute
:06:10. > :06:14.Harry Clarke. They say the report today does not undermine that. What
:06:15. > :06:17.do you think? Well the position of the Crown has been more or less the
:06:18. > :06:23.same. Initially this thread there was no criminal mind when Harry
:06:24. > :06:27.Clarke, when the incident happened because he was unconscious. Then
:06:28. > :06:31.when war was revealed in terms of the paperwork and lack of detail
:06:32. > :06:35.given, they said there was not enough to express a criminal act.
:06:36. > :06:39.The Crown issued a statement today said that was justified by the
:06:40. > :06:45.report, they said that no doctor said the Harry Clarke he was not fit
:06:46. > :06:50.to drive. And the circumstances, they would not have known he was in
:06:51. > :06:54.the position that such an incident could have happened. So Harry Clarke
:06:55. > :06:59.himself was not of a mind to say that he was reckless when he entered
:07:00. > :07:04.the truck that he knew he could have an incident at the wheel. So the
:07:05. > :07:10.justification is that the incidence relate to telling untruths on forms
:07:11. > :07:14.which they made a decision that they would not prosecute in a criminal
:07:15. > :07:21.way. Can you understand that decision? I think the decision is
:07:22. > :07:24.probably made partially because this lead of the decision not to
:07:25. > :07:32.prosecute Mr Clarke. Such a prosecution on the issue of fraud,
:07:33. > :07:37.telling a lie, that is not a crime of itself. It can be specific
:07:38. > :07:41.circumstances, perjury is a criminal offence which is prosecuted in the
:07:42. > :07:46.High Court in Scotland. However if you tell a lie on the phone, that is
:07:47. > :07:50.fraud. Fraud happens all the time, it is difficult to establish a
:07:51. > :07:53.criminal action behind that and that is why I think they shied away from
:07:54. > :08:01.it instead of receiving that to great detail. They said the incident
:08:02. > :08:07.was a long time ago when he blacked out and the accident, they did not
:08:08. > :08:10.think it was worthy of criminal investigation. The families are
:08:11. > :08:16.saying the findings to date support their case, about repeated lying.
:08:17. > :08:19.They want to take out a private prosecution, is that likely to
:08:20. > :08:23.succeed? That is a difficult process, you have two get a bill of
:08:24. > :08:28.criminal letters from the High Court. It has only happened twice in
:08:29. > :08:35.the last century. Another point about this, it has to be a crime on
:08:36. > :08:40.and -- crime on indictment. It has to be tried in the highest court in
:08:41. > :08:45.the land so some kind of fraud on a forum would not necessarily go to
:08:46. > :08:48.that level. I do not think the families have yet announced what
:08:49. > :08:53.kind of crime they think he has committed. Ford would not
:08:54. > :08:56.necessarily be appropriate for Crown prosecution. Sheriff Beckett
:08:57. > :09:02.criticised two doctors for not passing on information about the
:09:03. > :09:06.medical history of Harry Clarke. What is the responsibility of a
:09:07. > :09:10.doctor in this situation? Well as general practitioner if you have
:09:11. > :09:14.concerns about a patient and their fitness to drive, the guidance is
:09:15. > :09:20.you would advise them, the patient, to inform the DVLA. Then if you find
:09:21. > :09:25.out they have not done that, you're meant to ask them to do it again and
:09:26. > :09:32.if do not, and you believe that they are putting other people at risk,
:09:33. > :09:36.then you can break the confidentiality agreement you have
:09:37. > :09:44.without patient and tell the DVLA. But I suppose the question is how
:09:45. > :09:50.many GPs for instance see the same patient on any kind of regular
:09:51. > :09:53.basis. I understand why GPs might think that was a difficult process
:09:54. > :09:56.to follow. Do you think there would be resistance amongst doctors to
:09:57. > :10:03.that becoming a legal responsibility for them? The General Medical
:10:04. > :10:08.Council has guidance for doctors that they are meant to follow. The
:10:09. > :10:13.only way to change this would be to make it legislation, make it
:10:14. > :10:17.mandatory that if a GP had concerned they would have to tell the DVLA.
:10:18. > :10:23.The principle of conventionality is really important, underlying the
:10:24. > :10:27.relationship of trust between doctor and patient. Doctors would fear for
:10:28. > :10:33.instance that if the patient felt they might get switched on for want
:10:34. > :10:38.of a better phrase, they might not go to the GP. To deal with the
:10:39. > :10:44.problem. Say if they were a professional driver. Or they just
:10:45. > :10:47.would not disclose everything that needed to be disclosed. So it is a
:10:48. > :10:53.fine balance that doctors have two way. There are a few instances where
:10:54. > :10:57.GPs are required to break that code. In England and Wales for instance if
:10:58. > :11:03.they suspect female genital mutilation is about to take place or
:11:04. > :11:07.has, they are obligated to report that. If for instance someone is
:11:08. > :11:11.being groomed for terrorism they have to tell and if there are
:11:12. > :11:15.communicable diseases, they have to tell. But those of the few
:11:16. > :11:21.categories where there are required to break that potentiality. --
:11:22. > :11:22.confidentiality. It's the start of the second week
:11:23. > :11:25.of negotiations at the Nicola Sturgeon says she's
:11:26. > :11:38."cautiously optimistic" a bold and David Miller,
:11:39. > :11:50.our Environment Correspondent is Good evening from Paris, a city
:11:51. > :11:54.which once again has the eyes of the world upon it following the
:11:55. > :11:57.terrorist attacks in recent weeks. Blisters have arrived at the start
:11:58. > :12:01.of this crucial second week of negotiations in an attempt to thrash
:12:02. > :12:07.out that noble deal which they want to see been delivered. The First
:12:08. > :12:15.Minister has been here today, she has now departed. Her focus was on
:12:16. > :12:19.the issue of climate justice. Her visit comes against a continuing
:12:20. > :12:22.backdrop of criticism at home over the Scottish Government and their
:12:23. > :12:26.failure to deliver on the annual climate change targets. That
:12:27. > :12:30.criticism perhaps temperatures instead by the positive messages of
:12:31. > :12:35.support which have been coming here today for the Scottish Government
:12:36. > :12:41.International aid agencies, environmental organisations as well.
:12:42. > :12:44.Let's take a look back the day. Paris dazzles, the French capital is
:12:45. > :12:49.preparing to celebrate Christmas in its own unique style. An act of
:12:50. > :12:55.unity and perhaps even defiance after the recent terrorist attacks.
:12:56. > :13:00.The consumerism of Christmas certainly provided an incongruous
:13:01. > :13:04.backdrop to the focus today on the need to protect the poor of the
:13:05. > :13:09.world from the effects of climate change.
:13:10. > :13:12.Climate change is affecting poor people on the planet. The guys
:13:13. > :13:19.responsible for the problem, the wealthy of the planet, do not even
:13:20. > :13:25.want to acknowledge that. So climate injustice is affecting people who
:13:26. > :13:30.are not responsible for the problem, they're the ones the consequences.
:13:31. > :13:33.The First Minister called for the most ambitious deal possible. She is
:13:34. > :13:38.facing criticism at home over the Scottish Government failure to hit
:13:39. > :13:45.annual climate targets. But her focus was on the issue of climate
:13:46. > :13:51.justice. We had been the first country in the world to set up a
:13:52. > :13:54.climate Justice fund and that has invested in clean water and clean
:13:55. > :14:00.energy projects in different countries. Over the next four years
:14:01. > :14:07.we will invest ?12 million, effectively doubling that fund. Your
:14:08. > :14:12.opponent that am accused you of failing to achieve your own target
:14:13. > :14:16.yet coming to Paris to tell the rest of the world how it should be done.
:14:17. > :14:20.I am ambitious to do more, Scotland should not rest on our laurels but I
:14:21. > :14:25.think the attack on the Scottish Government by Labour in particular
:14:26. > :14:30.they are quick to want to attack the SNP and so we must a significant
:14:31. > :14:35.success story for Scotland. We have already reduced emissions by 38%
:14:36. > :14:39.against a target of 42%. Environmental campaigners have been
:14:40. > :14:44.critical of what they see as the lack of progress. But today on the
:14:45. > :14:49.issue of climate justice, they were delighted. The impact of climate
:14:50. > :14:55.change will affect everyone, it is Scotland, South America, East Asia,
:14:56. > :14:59.it will be felt by us all so it is vital that bridge countries like
:15:00. > :15:04.Scotland, who developed wealth based on polluting the atmosphere, do our
:15:05. > :15:06.bit bus by cutting emissions at home and providing finance to help
:15:07. > :15:13.countries in the developing world to develop cleanly and adapt to the
:15:14. > :15:23.effects of climate change. So a lot to talk about, Ian Duncan MEP is
:15:24. > :15:32.with me, and Tom Ballantyne. Good evening. Ian Duncan, we had
:15:33. > :15:34.criticism there of the First Minister and her record in
:15:35. > :15:38.delivering on the Scottish Government climate change targets.
:15:39. > :15:44.Did she come here to Paris with the authority that she needs to claim to
:15:45. > :15:47.lead by example? The targets themselves are commendable, no
:15:48. > :15:52.denying that. But the problems are not being met. We hope with each
:15:53. > :15:56.passing year that we come closer to meeting the targets but that is not
:15:57. > :16:01.the case. If you are to come here with targets you've got to meet
:16:02. > :16:07.them. And those targets relate only to electricity, 20% of total energy.
:16:08. > :16:12.But in terms of carbon emissions and greenhouse gas reductions, the
:16:13. > :16:15.target is 42% by 2020. The First Minister said that 38% cuts have
:16:16. > :16:23.already been achieved. We are once again talking about electricity
:16:24. > :16:29.generation. 50% of energy heating is gas-fired 25% of transport. Over 3.2
:16:30. > :16:33.million vehicles in Scotland, 1000 run on electricity. We need targets
:16:34. > :16:39.across the board. Those are the ones we are trying for and globally they
:16:40. > :16:42.are making a big difference. Transport I know is a concern to
:16:43. > :16:46.you, you were critical of the Scottish Government position on
:16:47. > :16:52.cutting Air Passenger Duty. That is a very popular measure. It makes it
:16:53. > :17:00.more affordable for Scots to see the world, to come to fantastic cities
:17:01. > :17:08.like Paris. White cut Air Passenger Duty, -- why not cut Leicester Mark
:17:09. > :17:11.it is a concern because emissions from flying the highest you get in
:17:12. > :17:16.any form of transport. If you cut the taxes on form of transport then
:17:17. > :17:20.you will encourage more people to fly, especially domestic flights.
:17:21. > :17:24.There is no reason to cut that tax and we should look to encourage
:17:25. > :17:35.people onto trains and away from flying. We would either ask to think
:17:36. > :17:43.again, or if there is going to be change, we'd like to see another tax
:17:44. > :17:46.which would... And here is a Scottish journalist, we have to
:17:47. > :17:52.report what the first Minister is doing, but there is a much bigger
:17:53. > :17:56.picture emerging. What are your hopes and fears and expectations
:17:57. > :18:01.even for the rest of this week? And part of the delegation here and
:18:02. > :18:06.we're alongside the commission are trying to negotiate a settlement.
:18:07. > :18:10.The reality is that it is China and the US. At the moment, the EU has
:18:11. > :18:14.its nose pressed up against the glass watching what is going on
:18:15. > :18:18.inside the room. The challenge is to get back into the room with the
:18:19. > :18:23.serious commitments to represent to hold those two parties to account.
:18:24. > :18:27.And, clearly, when the EU is struggling to make its voice heard,
:18:28. > :18:32.it is difficult for the UK to do so, and certainly that is the case for
:18:33. > :18:38.Scotland although, as I said, it has won plaudits from aid agencies,
:18:39. > :18:41.environmental organisations for its environmental justice. You will
:18:42. > :18:46.welcome this, I presume? Scotland can make its voice heard. A good
:18:47. > :18:52.example is a good example whether or not it is large or small. It has set
:18:53. > :18:55.a good example on climate justice. There are things we can celebrate in
:18:56. > :19:02.these talks. You confident for a deal? I wouldn't say confident.
:19:03. > :19:07.Certainly not the deal we need. We need an ambitious deal that sets
:19:08. > :19:10.could targets that provide proper funding for the people in the
:19:11. > :19:14.developing world who have done the least to cause this problem but are
:19:15. > :19:18.paying the price. We settle the time but it doesn't make it less true. We
:19:19. > :19:22.need monitoring and delivering mechanisms to make sure these things
:19:23. > :19:32.happen. Gentlemen, thank you both very much indeed. I should just add
:19:33. > :19:37.that one veteran observer told me today if someone is telling you they
:19:38. > :19:39.know what is happening in these talks, the almost certainly don't.
:19:40. > :19:40.Wise words, I suspect. The winner of this year's
:19:41. > :19:42.Turner Prize is... For the first time
:19:43. > :19:48.the ?25,000 prize has been won by a collective of designers
:19:49. > :19:54.and architects called Assemble. Their work is, unusually,
:19:55. > :19:56.a regeneration scheme for derelict And in another first,
:19:57. > :20:03.the award was presented in Glasgow, I am not sure who to give the cheque
:20:04. > :20:39.to. Great, thanks very much. While.
:20:40. > :20:41.Thank you so much. Really, thank you very much. We are incredibly happy.
:20:42. > :20:49.And our Arts Correspondent Pauline McLean is at the Tramway for us now.
:20:50. > :20:56.I'm actually inside part of that winning work. This is the workshop
:20:57. > :21:01.that Assemble made here. It is full of things they've handcrafted. There
:21:02. > :21:05.is a light, you can buy most of these things on display. The money
:21:06. > :21:12.goes on to the project you mentioned in Toxteth. Let's talk to two of
:21:13. > :21:17.Assemble we have here. First of all, congratulations and what does it
:21:18. > :21:21.mean to you to win? I mean it is an extraordinary surprise. We barely
:21:22. > :21:26.believed we could be nominated, let alone win the prize. It is wonderful
:21:27. > :21:31.to be able to share the award with all the people that worked on this
:21:32. > :21:36.project and all the other projects, including the project in Glasgow.
:21:37. > :21:44.That has been wonderful. Every year we ask is this art. Is this a
:21:45. > :21:47.different is it art? You wouldn't perhaps describe assaults as artists
:21:48. > :21:51.because you do lots of things. We adopt tools that are contests would
:21:52. > :21:57.use, designers, maybe that community organisers would use. I guess our
:21:58. > :22:00.work is concerned with people's day-to-day lives, as well as the
:22:01. > :22:04.experiences you'd normally get at a gallery. A lot of our work is
:22:05. > :22:10.committed to the idea that everyone is quite creative. And we often try
:22:11. > :22:12.to make environments were lots of people can do things together. There
:22:13. > :22:17.was a bit of disappointment there were no Scots after a great run of
:22:18. > :22:21.Scots. In some ways you make up for it occurs you have a connection to
:22:22. > :22:25.Glasgow because you've worked on a project all of you together before.
:22:26. > :22:32.I actually went to primary school in Scotland. Far more importantly,
:22:33. > :22:36.we've been working here in Glasgow for the last three years, and it has
:22:37. > :22:41.been a privilege and delight. We've been working in the east end of
:22:42. > :22:44.Glasgow. And we've had the opportunity to work very closely
:22:45. > :22:48.with the community for an extended period of time and share in their
:22:49. > :22:55.lives, so this is probably the best place for us to have been... To get
:22:56. > :23:01.this. That money will be very useful for your next project. I mean, yes.
:23:02. > :23:07.It is going to go, hopefully, towards funding the next project,
:23:08. > :23:11.and its continuing influence. Hopefully making more sustainable
:23:12. > :23:15.things, and helping to make a significant change in the area in
:23:16. > :23:21.Liverpool. That is the aim for the entire project. Thank you and
:23:22. > :23:24.congratulations again. This isn't over because this exhibition will
:23:25. > :23:28.run until the middle of January. And you will still be able to, long and
:23:29. > :23:28.see the winner and the three runners-up.
:23:29. > :23:30.Thank you. And with me in the studio to discuss
:23:31. > :23:33.some of the main stories from today is the political editor
:23:34. > :23:36.of the Daily Record, David Clegg. And the Scotland political
:23:37. > :23:44.reporter for Thank you both for coming in this
:23:45. > :23:48.evening. Let's go back to the top story tonight, the fatal accident
:23:49. > :23:53.inquiry. The families and the Crown office have each claimed their
:23:54. > :24:02.findings back up their view. What did you make of the Crown's position
:24:03. > :24:04.here? David. The big point about it is that this unfortunate resolution
:24:05. > :24:10.was inevitable in the way things have played out. The fatal accident
:24:11. > :24:17.inquiry, that is not the same way the evidence would be handled as it
:24:18. > :24:21.would do in court. Harry Clark, it has criticised him for lying
:24:22. > :24:25.repeatedly about his medical condition. They didn't say whether
:24:26. > :24:29.he was responsible for what is happening. I think it is
:24:30. > :24:33.understandable that the families of the people who died in the tragedy
:24:34. > :24:37.feel that is unresolved for them and they want answers. A fatal accident
:24:38. > :24:41.inquiry was never going to give some answers. That is where we will see
:24:42. > :24:46.more tension between the Crown and families. Some of the families are
:24:47. > :24:51.going to have a private prosecution but it isn't going to be easy for
:24:52. > :24:55.them, is it? Scotland, it is a very rare beast for anyone to bring
:24:56. > :24:58.forward a private prosecution. There's only been a couple of
:24:59. > :25:02.incidents where that has been done in the past. There are plenty of
:25:03. > :25:10.legal experts coming forward saying that is unlikely to be successful.
:25:11. > :25:14.Harry Clarke bore the brunt of it and not telling the truth for a
:25:15. > :25:17.number of occasions. Do you think there should be tougher penalties
:25:18. > :25:23.for not disclosing relevant information might make people poll
:25:24. > :25:27.think twice? I think this case will almost certainly have the same
:25:28. > :25:30.impact because one of the questions is did Harry Clark ever believe his
:25:31. > :25:38.medical condition could lead to this? I suspect that is unlikely. It
:25:39. > :25:44.is not only tough penalties. I think the DVLA, Glasgow City Council, the
:25:45. > :25:47.company, they all have questions to answer about their procedures. The
:25:48. > :25:51.fatal accident inquiry report has drawn out those issues and they will
:25:52. > :25:56.have to look at it. Certainly, what has been made very, very starkly
:25:57. > :26:00.clear by these tragic events is that if you're going to get behind the
:26:01. > :26:02.wheel, especially of a vehicle like that, you have to be certain that
:26:03. > :26:05.you are physically fit to do so. Now, according to a new report out
:26:06. > :26:08.today, world views which aren't based on ideals about faith should
:26:09. > :26:10.be given equal prominence with The Woolf Institute has spent two
:26:11. > :26:14.years gathering evidence on the Its recommendations include reducing
:26:15. > :26:18.pupil selection on the grounds of faith, and scrapping compulsory
:26:19. > :26:33.religious observance. Do you think that is sensible
:26:34. > :26:37.advice, given that now half the population say they don't identify
:26:38. > :26:43.with any religion? I think it has to be considered. And I think we have
:26:44. > :27:02.to look at society at ducting... In Tom Dunne -- adapting in tandem with
:27:03. > :27:05.people, no faith, whether they are humanist or secular, and that needs
:27:06. > :27:08.to be taken into account when looking at these things because we
:27:09. > :27:10.need to reflect the views of everyone in society, and that should
:27:11. > :27:12.be no different in schools. The report said that while Christianity
:27:13. > :27:16.is on the way out, other religions are on the rise. Scotland's only
:27:17. > :27:20.Muslim school, which is currently private, is applying for state
:27:21. > :27:23.funding and would like to expand to secondary education. Do you think
:27:24. > :27:30.that is a move in the right direction? I'm not sure. The
:27:31. > :27:33.difficulty is that there is another case of catholic primary School in
:27:34. > :27:37.Glasgow or the Glasgow area which is looking at doing something similar
:27:38. > :27:41.so it is difficult to play favourites with the various
:27:42. > :27:46.religions. In fact, one of the issues the report throughout is that
:27:47. > :27:51.is it sustainable in the House of Lords that we have 26 Anglican
:27:52. > :27:54.bishops and what are the representations of other religions?
:27:55. > :28:02.If you are going to have faith schools, then all faiths should have
:28:03. > :28:06.control of taking -- the option of taking control of the school. The
:28:07. > :28:11.overriding questions about faith schools are unresolved, however. It
:28:12. > :28:15.is difficult to talk openly about sectarianism, faith schools, and how
:28:16. > :28:17.those issues interact. It is quite close to discussion.
:28:18. > :28:19.Looking ahead to tomorrow, the EU Referendum Bill is back in the
:28:20. > :28:25.Last month, the peers voted 293 to 211 to amend the Bill so that 16
:28:26. > :28:27.and 17-year-olds could vote in the referendum, but the UK Government
:28:28. > :28:31.And, tonight, the SNP are out again calling for
:28:32. > :28:43.So, the Lords is a more radical chamber, is it a surprise? Not
:28:44. > :28:49.necessarily. This is more bad news for David Cameron. And his EU
:28:50. > :28:54.referendum process, really. You know, if the Lords choose to block
:28:55. > :28:58.this, the House of Commons they we want to keep at 18, this will go
:28:59. > :29:02.back and forth and back and forth and this EU referendum will be
:29:03. > :29:07.further delayed which is bad news for David Cameron. After the
:29:08. > :29:11.independence referendum, are there any good arguments against giving 16
:29:12. > :29:15.and 17-year-olds the vote? Not that I can think of. I'm pretty convinced
:29:16. > :29:20.by the argument. During the referendum, it was clear that 16 and
:29:21. > :29:25.17-year-olds were engaged, they had civic benefit, and it made these
:29:26. > :29:30.youngsters more politically engaged throughout their lives, quite
:29:31. > :29:34.possibly. David Cameron is going to pull out all the stops to stop it
:29:35. > :29:37.happening. I think they are even going to maybe suggest this is a
:29:38. > :29:42.financial mechanism, so therefore the Lords won't be able to have the
:29:43. > :29:43.ping-pong that would go on. It looks like it is out.
:29:44. > :30:04.OK, yeah, so, where do you want begin?
:30:05. > :30:30.I've never been so happy in all my life.