:00:00. > :00:00.A Holyrood bid to block Conservative trade union reforms has failed -
:00:07. > :00:30.the Scottish Government vows to continue the fight.
:00:31. > :00:34.a stage in Glasgow tonight to campaign against the union
:00:35. > :00:40.reforms - unions say they'll make legal strikes virtually impossible.
:00:41. > :00:44.Earlier today, Nicola Sturgeon was at the Scottish Parliament
:00:45. > :00:48.defending repair decisions on the Forth Road Bridge.
:00:49. > :00:49.And stripped of a degree and dropped
:00:50. > :00:53.but Donald Trump's saying politicians shouldn't pander
:00:54. > :01:07.Labour and the SNP are standing united in Scotland.
:01:08. > :01:10.They're campaigning together to prevent the UK Government's
:01:11. > :01:15.controversial Trade Union Bill from affecting Scotland.
:01:16. > :01:17.Those who oppose it say workers' rights are being eroded
:01:18. > :01:21.but ministers say it balances rights and protects hard-working families.
:01:22. > :01:24.In Glasgow this evening, Labour's Jeremy Corbyn
:01:25. > :01:26.and Nicola Sturgeon shared a platform at the STUC
:01:27. > :01:44.This is where labour and the SNP stand side by side. It is the
:01:45. > :01:47.Glasgow Royal concert Hall, a rally called by the STUC against the
:01:48. > :01:53.imposition of the Trade Union Bill in Scotland. It has attracted Jeremy
:01:54. > :01:58.Corbyn north of the border. The bill is being promoted through Parliament
:01:59. > :02:01.by the Conservatives which wants to prevent too much power, there are
:02:02. > :02:10.four main planks, before any industrial action can be staged...
:02:11. > :02:15.For groups working in public services, 40% of eligible voters
:02:16. > :02:18.must vote and employers must be given at least two weeks notice and
:02:19. > :02:23.if the action doesn't begin within four months of the vote, a new vote
:02:24. > :02:26.must be taken. Supporters say it is protecting industry and the public
:02:27. > :02:31.from strikes which are called by a vocal minority. There are numerous
:02:32. > :02:36.examples of strikes in essential services that have gone ahead with
:02:37. > :02:44.poor support for members. Unison talented -- balloted NHS in
:02:45. > :02:51.September 20 14th strike action. 16% voted and 11% of all union members
:02:52. > :02:56.voted in favour. The STUC says it is a bad bill. A country which will
:02:57. > :03:02.read it has the most restrictive union laws in Europe is now going to
:03:03. > :03:08.move to more restrictive laws if the bill passes. It is a naked attempt
:03:09. > :03:13.to attack trade unionism at a time when the government recognises we
:03:14. > :03:16.are potentially a key part of the opposition to its austerity agenda.
:03:17. > :03:19.The Scottish government has prevented -- try to prevent it in
:03:20. > :03:27.Scotland but it has been knocked back. Roseanna Cunningham asked the
:03:28. > :03:35.Presiding Officer if it could be avoided using a legislative consent
:03:36. > :03:40.memorandum. Legislative consent memorandum triggers a consent motion
:03:41. > :03:43.which means Holyrood gives its consent to the Westminster
:03:44. > :03:49.legislation that affects devolved matters. That is under a convention.
:03:50. > :03:54.Unfortunately for the campaigners, she said today that would not work
:03:55. > :03:58.because the legislative consent memorandum was not designed to deal
:03:59. > :04:02.with this sort of legislation. The rules are tight, there is a clear
:04:03. > :04:06.federal division of competences between the UK Parliament and the
:04:07. > :04:11.Scottish parliament and it is clear matters relating to trade unions and
:04:12. > :04:17.employment law generally under the UK side of the line.
:04:18. > :04:22.The CBI supports the government and the bill, it says that Britain's
:04:23. > :04:26.industrial relations laws are outdated and need modernising and
:04:27. > :04:30.says changes in the threshold for industrial action are fair and
:04:31. > :04:35.ensure strikes have the clear support of the workforce. That is
:04:36. > :04:39.not the view of people here tonight. 2000 people have packed into the
:04:40. > :04:42.Royal concert Hall to hear the speakers condemning the bill. That
:04:43. > :04:47.includes the SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon. I will meet the premised
:04:48. > :04:55.on Monday in Downing Street and I will take the message from here
:04:56. > :05:00.directly to him, Scotland opposes this. She has the support of the
:05:01. > :05:03.Labour leader. You heard about the details of the bill, unfortunately
:05:04. > :05:07.it is likely to go through Parliament on top of the most
:05:08. > :05:13.restrictive labour laws anywhere in Europe. But we made worse by this
:05:14. > :05:18.piece of legislation this government is putting through. We have two
:05:19. > :05:23.oppose it with every means at our disposal. As unionists, politicians
:05:24. > :05:27.and workers gather to show solidarity against the bill, the
:05:28. > :05:30.most recent setback has not stopped the Scottish government pledging to
:05:31. > :05:30.keep trying to find a way to keep it at bay.
:05:31. > :05:34.Well, we invited the Scottish Secretary David Mundell
:05:35. > :05:36.on to the programme tonight but he wasn't available.
:05:37. > :05:38.So we asked the Scottish Conservatives if they had any
:05:39. > :05:40.Scottish politicians available to come on,
:05:41. > :05:44.So then we asked Conservative Central Office if there were any
:05:45. > :05:47.Conservative politicians anywhere in the UK who would like to come
:05:48. > :05:50.on and defend the Government's Trade Union Bill.
:05:51. > :05:55.So joining me now alone, alas, hot foot from tonight's event,
:05:56. > :06:09.Thank you for joining us. The Scottish government attempts to
:06:10. > :06:13.block this bill from affecting Scotland has been blocked by the
:06:14. > :06:16.Presiding Officer, what is the next move of the government? I think all
:06:17. > :06:22.of us are surprised and disappointed firstly we would not able to use
:06:23. > :06:27.that mechanism but what the Scottish government will be doing tonight is
:06:28. > :06:30.assessing its options, in all parts of the bill, Nicola made a
:06:31. > :06:35.commitment that the Scottish government would not use agency
:06:36. > :06:39.workers if there is an industrial dispute affecting Scottish
:06:40. > :06:45.government workers. There will be some discussion and thought given to
:06:46. > :06:50.facilitating and check off and those things so I know there will be some
:06:51. > :06:54.discussion in the Scottish government but we are surprised and
:06:55. > :07:01.disappointed because we were of the view that this Trade Union Bill
:07:02. > :07:05.affects devolved areas. According to the regulations, the Presiding
:07:06. > :07:11.Officer said it doesn't and the Scottish government opponents could
:07:12. > :07:15.say they were overstepping the mark. The Conservative MSP said the
:07:16. > :07:22.Scottish government had egg on their face. Well, he can say what he wants
:07:23. > :07:27.but looking at it when I was on the Trade Union Bill committee, the UK
:07:28. > :07:31.government admitted that it would dictate to not just the Scottish
:07:32. > :07:37.government but the Welsh government the facility time allowing workers
:07:38. > :07:41.in health for example that would lead to Jeremy Hunt dictating to the
:07:42. > :07:44.Scottish government health minister and Welsh minister what facility
:07:45. > :07:48.time. I am surprised and disappointed and I'm sure it's
:07:49. > :07:53.something we can look up. As I pointed out, we did not have a
:07:54. > :07:57.Conservative politician to defend the policy but Sajid Javid said the
:07:58. > :08:02.strike threshold is fair and ministers say essentially this
:08:03. > :08:07.protects hard-working families and the balancing out of rights. Will
:08:08. > :08:12.many people in Scotland view it as that despite what we hear from
:08:13. > :08:18.tonight? I didn't think they will. They will not view that for a number
:08:19. > :08:24.of reasons, firstly, I would say trade union members are
:08:25. > :08:30.hard-working, there are contribute a lot in terms of the public sector.
:08:31. > :08:35.In terms of the thresholds come if they are so concerned about turnouts
:08:36. > :08:38.for ballots, they should be allowing trade unions to facilitate ballots
:08:39. > :08:44.online and secure workplace balloting which takes place. If that
:08:45. > :08:50.is the concern, they have voted against that in the passage of the
:08:51. > :08:54.bill in the House of Commons which is ironic given the Conservative
:08:55. > :09:01.candidate for the Mayor of London has been elected through an online
:09:02. > :09:07.voting system. Ballots are free and fair and if people are not bothering
:09:08. > :09:12.to participate, why should there not be that threshold when people's
:09:13. > :09:16.lives cannot be disrupted. There is a lot of evidence in terms of the
:09:17. > :09:21.International Labour organisation and many human rights organisations
:09:22. > :09:29.are making the point that people are not participating in the ballots,
:09:30. > :09:32.that does not mean it is a no. Our view is these thresholds do not need
:09:33. > :09:37.to exist and if there is a problem with turnouts, the solution is to
:09:38. > :09:42.give trade union members other alternative voting methods,
:09:43. > :09:48.political funding and other issues. What is the next step, are you
:09:49. > :09:53.determined to fight this, will these new regulations and laws come into
:09:54. > :09:59.force in Scotland? Well, we will see what happens. It is going to the
:10:00. > :10:03.laws in January, I understand on the 11th of January the devolved
:10:04. > :10:06.administrations across the UK will take a view, local authorities would
:10:07. > :10:10.have to take a view because I think that many would agree with me that
:10:11. > :10:14.this is interfering in a basic employee industrial relations
:10:15. > :10:14.relationship. Thank you. Speaking at the event tonight,
:10:15. > :10:18.Nicola Sturgeon quoted the late trade unionist Jimmy Reid who said
:10:19. > :10:32.workers' rights are human rights. International human rights Day. The
:10:33. > :10:36.UN General assembly in Paris adopted the universal declaration of human
:10:37. > :10:48.rights, milestone document outlining basic international rights.
:10:49. > :10:55.You are stepping down after eight years as chairman of the human
:10:56. > :10:59.rights commission, what have you achieved in that time and how is a
:11:00. > :11:04.human rights framework in Scotland changed in that time? Well, I get a
:11:05. > :11:12.sense that after eight years in the post that there is now through hard
:11:13. > :11:18.work a new ambition and new seriousness to do with human rights
:11:19. > :11:22.in Scotland. For example, the establishment and launch of the
:11:23. > :11:27.National action plan for human rights is ground-breaking. It is two
:11:28. > :11:30.years old and yesterday on the second anniversary first minister
:11:31. > :11:36.gave us a speech which in years to come will be looked back upon as
:11:37. > :11:39.being a seminal speech because she made two very real public
:11:40. > :11:45.commitments which display this new sense of ambition and seriousness in
:11:46. > :11:48.my view and that is to find ways of hard-wiring human rights into the
:11:49. > :11:53.way we do things in Scotland. In two ways, she gave a commitment on the
:11:54. > :11:59.part of the government that they would look to see how to incorporate
:12:00. > :12:02.into our constitutional and legal framework such UN human rights
:12:03. > :12:07.treaties as would provide everyone with adequate standard of living and
:12:08. > :12:11.economic and social rights, the human rights to women, children and
:12:12. > :12:16.disabled persons and secondly that she would hard-wire that into the
:12:17. > :12:20.national performance framework, that is, how Scotland sets and measures
:12:21. > :12:24.its progress as a society. Human rights would not be a nice thing to
:12:25. > :12:29.do, if you want to, but they would need to be done for everyone to lead
:12:30. > :12:32.a life of human dignity. I leave with a sense of ambition and
:12:33. > :12:38.seriousness about the landscape that is developing. A change in UK
:12:39. > :12:42.landscape, that is a situation in Scotland but in the UK the
:12:43. > :12:46.Conservatives have pledged to scrap the Human Rights Act, they want to
:12:47. > :12:52.reform that bust what is your opinion? We are running a campaign
:12:53. > :12:55.to save the Human Rights Act at Amnesty, along with many other
:12:56. > :13:01.organisations. We think whatever the proposals are, whenever they come
:13:02. > :13:05.out, will be a day looting of human rights and lowering of standards. We
:13:06. > :13:11.have a situation where I'm not sure Westminster has come to terms with
:13:12. > :13:12.devolution. We have heard in the first minister s speech a commitment
:13:13. > :13:16.first minister's speech a commitment to keeping Human Rights Act in
:13:17. > :13:21.Scotland and if it comes to the Scottish parliament they would ask
:13:22. > :13:25.for a consent of motion to not be given to it. We could see again the
:13:26. > :13:30.Westminster Scottish parliament at loggerheads. Of course the UK
:13:31. > :13:35.government ministers point out human rights are not a European invention
:13:36. > :13:40.we have been promoting them in the UK to the rest of the world and we
:13:41. > :13:45.don't have to listen to people on the continent when it comes to this
:13:46. > :13:48.situation. There is a lot of misunderstanding around human
:13:49. > :13:53.rights, we get to the stage where human rights is seen as a dismissive
:13:54. > :13:58.and negative term in some parts of the press like in London. There was
:13:59. > :14:01.a different rhetoric in Scotland but that doesn't mean necessarily
:14:02. > :14:07.translates into public opinion. We are seeing even when there was
:14:08. > :14:12.positive things said about refugees, we also see racist attacks against
:14:13. > :14:17.refugees or ethnic minorities and communities in Scotland. We cannot
:14:18. > :14:21.be complacent. There was a lot of misunderstanding about this and the
:14:22. > :14:24.Human Rights Act did bring human rights back home, there are courts
:14:25. > :14:28.in Scotland and the UK which are making judgments on these, it is not
:14:29. > :14:34.about Europe telling us what to do. This is about people in Scotland and
:14:35. > :14:39.the UK being able to claim their rights when the state whether a
:14:40. > :14:43.local authority, the prisons, do abuse their human rights and it is
:14:44. > :14:49.so important individuals are able to take the government to court. An
:14:50. > :14:53.interesting point she makes about the human rights, that phrase almost
:14:54. > :14:58.being denigrated, have you seen that change over the past eight years,
:14:59. > :15:02.some people think it is time for reform, have you seen a change in
:15:03. > :15:13.the way human rights and -- are viewed?
:15:14. > :15:19.Sad as you say, Andrew this is not British history, and that attitude
:15:20. > :15:25.that is now being displayed in a very mean-spirited way, by some in
:15:26. > :15:28.Westminster towards human rights was the bid is the wrong side of history
:15:29. > :15:32.because the rest of Europe, the rest of the world, within the UK, not
:15:33. > :15:35.just Scotland but in Wales and Northern Ireland, there is a wholly
:15:36. > :15:38.different attitude towards human rights and stop that is much more
:15:39. > :15:43.resonant with the experienced in the rest of Europe and the rest of the
:15:44. > :15:46.world. There is this current toxic Westminster debate that is simply on
:15:47. > :15:51.the wrong side of history from any perspective. But, Professor Miller,
:15:52. > :15:56.when it comes to the bill of human rights, that Wright has not been
:15:57. > :16:00.granted in Scotland yet, I think the Strasbourg court said they should
:16:01. > :16:03.be? Yes, and Scotland once that power translates to it and I'm quite
:16:04. > :16:08.sure that they will transfer the right to vote to prisoners. We are
:16:09. > :16:12.not going to remain in the company of countries that in a various
:16:13. > :16:15.handful within Europe have refused to comply with the clear direction
:16:16. > :16:20.of travel at every other country in Europe, and the ones who would
:16:21. > :16:25.normally wish to be associated with it, provide prisoners with the right
:16:26. > :16:28.to vote, and do so in a way that is proportionate, with common sense,
:16:29. > :16:33.depending on the crime committed. I have no doubt that Scotland will do
:16:34. > :16:37.the right thing. Naomi, we have looked at Scotland, the UK. Letters
:16:38. > :16:41.look at the world situation. A very fast changing, developing situation
:16:42. > :16:47.in the world is just an hour. When you see what can happen, such as the
:16:48. > :16:51.terrible incident in Paris, one of the greatest rights that can be at
:16:52. > :16:56.threat is our civil liberties, I suppose, because government of any
:16:57. > :17:00.sort can be quick to clamp down on those, when faced with a terrorist
:17:01. > :17:04.threat. Definitely, and that is what we are seeing, people wanting to put
:17:05. > :17:07.up borders, wanting to exclude people wanting to increase
:17:08. > :17:12.surveillance, throughout the UK and the rest of Europe, and this is
:17:13. > :17:16.exactly the kind of reaction that people like the so-called Islamic
:17:17. > :17:19.State actually wants to actually bring this kind of terror into
:17:20. > :17:25.people's lives, and for our rights to be restricted. It would be so
:17:26. > :17:30.much better to combat the medieval genocidal ideology of these types of
:17:31. > :17:34.terrorists by actually embracing human rights, by extending them even
:17:35. > :17:40.further. And Alan Miller, when you look at the kind of debate that is
:17:41. > :17:43.going on, as there is the fight against so-called Islamic State, you
:17:44. > :17:48.look at the comments from Donald Trump about Muslims, that in fact
:17:49. > :17:53.perhaps leads to an erosion of human rights, across the board, I suppose?
:17:54. > :17:59.Yes, and it is quite encouraging that Donald Trump has been widely
:18:00. > :18:04.now held in contempt for these remarks. I think it is the fastest
:18:05. > :18:09.growing petition in the UK lodged with half a million section --
:18:10. > :18:12.signatures within 24 hours, displaying contempt towards these
:18:13. > :18:17.remarks, and there is absolutely no place for that. In fact when these
:18:18. > :18:22.remarks are remade, I saw today that there was an attack on a Muslim
:18:23. > :18:27.organisation in Washington, DC, you had to be very careful because you
:18:28. > :18:30.are treading very careful -- close to committing hate crime when you
:18:31. > :18:35.are seen to be saying things that lead to inciting attacks against
:18:36. > :18:40.others of other relations, other races, other ethnicities. Professor,
:18:41. > :18:41.namely, thank you very much for joining me.
:18:42. > :18:42.Frustrated commuters, angry lorry drivers:
:18:43. > :18:44.the closure of the Forth Road Bridge continues to dominate
:18:45. > :18:48.The First Minister faced sustained questioning at Holyrood yesterday
:18:49. > :18:51.from her opponents, with accusations maintenance budgets
:18:52. > :18:56.As the Scottish government struggles to keep Scotland moving,
:18:57. > :19:03.it's likely an inquiry will be held.
:19:04. > :19:08.On Tuesday, the transport Minister Derek Mackay told this parliament
:19:09. > :19:14.there was no link between cancelled repairs in 2010 and the work needed
:19:15. > :19:18.now. On Wednesday, he made the fatal mistake of going on the radio and
:19:19. > :19:23.telling the truth, that they were in fact linked. The public is rapidly
:19:24. > :19:29.losing faith in the transport Minister's handling of the
:19:30. > :19:32.situation. So, we know, that vital maintenance work that would have
:19:33. > :19:40.repaired the damaged area was put off five years ago. A part of the
:19:41. > :19:44.bridge... They decided to not fix the part of the bridge that was not
:19:45. > :19:49.broken. A part of the bridge that only became broken in the last thing
:19:50. > :19:52.-- few weeks. We might not have had a crystal ball to tell this five
:19:53. > :19:57.years ago, that something would have been broken in the future. I hope
:19:58. > :20:02.the government is right, I had the bridge does reopen in early January,
:20:03. > :20:05.but can I ask on the half of everyone, when that bridge does
:20:06. > :20:09.reopen, Candy First Minister guaranteed it will be open to all
:20:10. > :20:13.vehicles? We must have something new, something improved, something
:20:14. > :20:21.different to make this system but more robust. Because we simply...
:20:22. > :20:26.The keyword, the... The chaos within five has been quite dramatic, and we
:20:27. > :20:31.cannot afford a repeat of this. Our focus at the moment, while others on
:20:32. > :20:36.certainly one side of this chamber appear more interested in playing
:20:37. > :20:43.political games, our focus is on making sure that we act... That we
:20:44. > :20:46.act in the best interests of people affected by this closure, to
:20:47. > :20:51.minimise disruption, and get this bridge reopened. That will be my
:20:52. > :20:53.focus, it will be the focus of this government, and we will not be
:20:54. > :20:55.diverted from it. I'm joined now by a couple
:20:56. > :21:06.of guests to review the rest We have the writer and columnist
:21:07. > :21:10.Katie Grant, and Stephen Naysmith, a social affairs correspondent for the
:21:11. > :21:16.Herald. Let's focus on the Forth Road Bridge. Everyone in Scotland
:21:17. > :21:20.becoming expert on bridge maintenance at the moment. Nicola
:21:21. > :21:23.Sturgeon has been urging other politicians do stop playing
:21:24. > :21:27.politics. It has become quite a political football, hasn't it,
:21:28. > :21:32.Katie? It has. I thought it was in a very disappointing F M Q today
:21:33. > :21:37.because I don't think anyone covered themselves in glory. -- glory. I
:21:38. > :21:42.think Kezia Dugdale started well, and Nicola Sturgeon stumbled because
:21:43. > :21:45.we are not engineers, and everyone talking about the trust ends, it was
:21:46. > :21:49.quite clear they did not know what they were talking about, they had
:21:50. > :21:52.just read a report. It became a political football because they
:21:53. > :21:56.didn't know what else to do with it, but you know, it is a real issue and
:21:57. > :21:59.these things come out of the left-field, as it were, and it could
:22:00. > :22:05.be really dangerous for the SNP. They need to get it fixed. You think
:22:06. > :22:08.that she stumbled, then? She did stumble because she was asked a
:22:09. > :22:15.direct question about the putting off of the, or some kind of degrees
:22:16. > :22:21.of the capitalisation fund, and she didn't really answer it. She sort of
:22:22. > :22:24.fudged around, and then it became reasonably clear that is talking
:22:25. > :22:27.about the bridge been broken didn't seem the right language, because of
:22:28. > :22:29.course, of course that rage wasn't broken five years, but the whole
:22:30. > :22:33.thing about the Forth Road Bridge, the reason they are building a new
:22:34. > :22:37.one, isn't that the old one is fit for purpose animal, and bits are
:22:38. > :22:42.going to break. Something needs to be done about this, and the Scottish
:22:43. > :22:45.women can defend it, saying we are building a new crossing, but it is
:22:46. > :22:51.still hard to escape the conclusion that Nicola Sturgeon's critics were
:22:52. > :22:55.right. You gambled on this being ready in time, and this is a fairly
:22:56. > :23:00.major pile-up in terms of infrastructure. There have been
:23:01. > :23:06.calls for an enquiry. When with that enquiry reports? Would that be near
:23:07. > :23:10.the Holyrood election in May? That would be very optimistic in terms of
:23:11. > :23:15.enquiries. The bridge would probably be needing repair by the time the
:23:16. > :23:18.report comes out. There is plainly an issue heavily SNP, and quite a
:23:19. > :23:23.challenge to defend itself on this. It is a real case of events, dear
:23:24. > :23:28.boy, events. Something politicians don't want to happen. The transport
:23:29. > :23:33.minister room boys -- resigned in 2010 because of the issues of the
:23:34. > :23:37.snow. And we haven't got even to the winter yet! It is quite optimistic
:23:38. > :23:40.to think that the bridge will reopen in January, given that the repair is
:23:41. > :23:45.dependent on the weather. They cannot depend it -- repair it when
:23:46. > :23:51.it is windy. I think it will be a interesting time and I think it will
:23:52. > :23:57.come up at F M Q is again and again. Partly, I think, because I think the
:23:58. > :24:00.government is vulnerable on this issue, and this increasing number of
:24:01. > :24:04.public services that are contracted out, and then the budget is cut.
:24:05. > :24:10.Contracting out is really a means to manage cutting, and that is plainly
:24:11. > :24:14.what happy and to an extent with the Forth Road Bridge. There are other
:24:15. > :24:19.examples in local government and other services. Let's move to
:24:20. > :24:22.another issue. Donald Trump and his controversial comments about Muslims
:24:23. > :24:26.and the US. He has hit back against politicians saying that they
:24:27. > :24:33.shouldn't pander to political correctness. We have that tweet,
:24:34. > :24:38.there, and everyone trying hard to disguise the massive Muslim problem,
:24:39. > :24:43.as he says it. He was dropped as the global Scott, a business ambassador,
:24:44. > :24:48.and revoked his honorary degree. It surprises me that they were given
:24:49. > :24:55.him an honorary degree in the first place. He's thought that building a
:24:56. > :25:00.golf course has helped him to own Scotland. He is a phenomenal man, he
:25:01. > :25:07.lives in a little trompe bubble, and what he will say next he and I don't
:25:08. > :25:10.know? There shouldn't be calls for him to be banned, because that is
:25:11. > :25:17.exactly what he's doing. He is calling for a ban. What we must do
:25:18. > :25:20.is him here to show that we live in peace and altogether, to prove him
:25:21. > :25:25.wrong. Even, it would be perhaps tricky for the UK to ban a
:25:26. > :25:29.Republican presidential hopeful. I don't think it is sensible to talk
:25:30. > :25:32.in terms of a ban and it looks like we are lowering ourselves to his
:25:33. > :25:36.level in terms of intolerance. The interesting thing for me is what it
:25:37. > :25:41.would take to stop Donald Trump in America, and the Republicans plainly
:25:42. > :25:46.feel that ultimately uniting behind a anyone but strong candidate is
:25:47. > :25:50.going to do it, because he only commands 33% support in the party.
:25:51. > :25:55.That is a cautionary tale perhaps for our own Labour Party, because
:25:56. > :26:03.they were expecting somebody to unite behind the anyone but scored
:26:04. > :26:09.in -- anyone but Corbyn campaign. And anyone but Trump can pain might
:26:10. > :26:15.help the political currency of the US. Let's move to the top story we
:26:16. > :26:20.had tonight, Nicola Sturgeon and Jeremy Corbyn both appearing at the
:26:21. > :26:25.STUC event in Glasgow. Katie, they want on the same stage, but what you
:26:26. > :26:28.make of them sharing a platform, essentially? I thought it was a
:26:29. > :26:34.funny one to choose. I don't know, the trade union Bill seems to me to
:26:35. > :26:37.be... It seems to be for democratising the trade union. I
:26:38. > :26:41.think other people think it is hammering them into the ground but
:26:42. > :26:50.to me it couldn't really become clear why Nicola Sturgeon has
:26:51. > :26:54.allowed herself with Jeremy Corbyn. He is a bit of a hostage to fortune.
:26:55. > :26:57.I think the thing about the trade union is quite interesting because
:26:58. > :27:05.the trade unions began to come to an end in the 1980 when their big para
:27:06. > :27:10.went. I think Frances O'Grady, the director of the TUC says they must
:27:11. > :27:13.stop, they must start looking in the long-term, stop thinking about the
:27:14. > :27:18.short-term, and this debate seems to be another kind of short termism,
:27:19. > :27:22.and it sounds so belligerent. Stephen, Jeremy Corbyn received a
:27:23. > :27:28.standard over Asian -- standing ovation. It is interesting to see
:27:29. > :27:34.the SNP tap into this kind of event will stop I understand that there is
:27:35. > :27:40.some sort of debate as to who should take top billing, and Jeremy Corbyn
:27:41. > :27:43.seems to have done exactly that. Vertical is that Nicola Sturgeon
:27:44. > :27:50.should do, as the lead politician in the host country. There is a tension
:27:51. > :27:53.that, between two parties who dislike and campaign against each
:27:54. > :27:58.other very Scotland in Scotland, but clearly have some common cause in
:27:59. > :28:03.Westminster. Right, one last bit of video. Danny Alexander receiving his
:28:04. > :28:09.knighthood from Buckingham Palace today. Prince Charles there. Now,
:28:10. > :28:14.sir Danny Alexander. Former Chief Minister to the Treasury. Katie what
:28:15. > :28:18.do you make of that? What can one make of it, really? You fail as a
:28:19. > :28:23.presentation and go off and get a knighthood. It's likely degrades the
:28:24. > :28:26.thing. I think it's extraordinary, that all the politicians
:28:27. > :28:30.automatically walk into knighthoods, I cannot see the justification for
:28:31. > :28:34.it. Katie, do you think politicians should be getting this kind of
:28:35. > :28:38.thing, I suppose it is a bit tricky? No, I think they should go back to
:28:39. > :28:43.ordinary life, if they lost an election they should go be ordinary
:28:44. > :28:46.like the rest of us. Katie, Stephen, thank you are joining us today.
:28:47. > :28:51.That's it from us tonight, thank you very much for watching. I will be
:28:52. > :28:53.back at the same time on Monday. Please join us then, but from all
:28:54. > :29:05.this now, do have a very good evening.
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