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:00:00. > :00:24.The Chancellor warns there may be trouble ahead for the economy.

:00:25. > :00:32.The Chancellor says the UK must prepare for rises in interest rates.

:00:33. > :00:36.He warns 2016 will be a "mission critical" year for the UK economy.

:00:37. > :00:39.A year on from the Charlie Hebdo massacre, MSPs defend

:00:40. > :00:45.And the social entrepreneur who brought George Clooney

:00:46. > :00:56.to Edinburgh talks about feeding refugees in Europe.

:00:57. > :00:58.It's less than two months since George Osborne told us

:00:59. > :01:07.Today he delivered a much gloomier message.

:01:08. > :01:10.We're facing a "dangerous cocktail" of economic risks and must guard

:01:11. > :01:14.Events today seemed to back up the Chancellor's worst fears -

:01:15. > :01:16.global turmoil on the markets as oil prices continued

:01:17. > :01:20.With Scotland's economy lagging behind the UK as a whole,

:01:21. > :01:29.Laura Maxwell's been looking at the prospects for the year ahead.

:01:30. > :01:38.A flicker of hope in a gloomy economy. Made in Glasgow, sales of

:01:39. > :01:42.these candles continue to rise. This shop opened in October with plans

:01:43. > :01:49.for further expansion this year. Well, I make no bones about it, we

:01:50. > :01:54.have been in a recession for, well, 80 years, shall we say? There have

:01:55. > :01:59.been tough times and some companies have not survived. We have been

:02:00. > :02:03.lucky to survive. Consumers have money in their pocket and confidence

:02:04. > :02:10.is returning. It has been slow, but things are looking good. Not

:02:11. > :02:16.everyone is as confident. Especially the Chancellor who has decided that

:02:17. > :02:20.who has been decidedly Quini in fact. Last year was the worst for

:02:21. > :02:24.global growth since the crash and that she opens with a dangerous

:02:25. > :02:30.cocktail of new threats from around the world. For Britain, the only

:02:31. > :02:35.antidote to that is confronting complacency, delivering the plan

:02:36. > :02:38.that we have set out. Anyone who thinks it is mission accomplished

:02:39. > :02:46.for the British economy is making a grave mistake. At just one point --

:02:47. > :02:50.0.1% growth in the last quarter, the economy of Scotland underperforms

:02:51. > :02:55.the rest of the UK and it is experiencing some difficulties. The

:02:56. > :02:58.unseasonably warm and wet weather over the last few months has

:02:59. > :03:02.certainly dampened spirits here on the high street. This morning, Marks

:03:03. > :03:07.Spencer announced their pre-Christmas sales were down almost

:03:08. > :03:12.6%. Next have described their Christmas figures as disappointing.

:03:13. > :03:15.That is not great news for those retailers, but more importantly

:03:16. > :03:19.perhaps, is what those figures tell us about consumer confidence.

:03:20. > :03:26.Business confidence as well is shaky. Especially with other

:03:27. > :03:28.uncertainties on the horizon. Looking at 2016, obviously be half

:03:29. > :03:33.the Scottish Parliament elections, the results of that I suppose are

:03:34. > :03:36.uncertain and we are looking at a parliament with significant

:03:37. > :03:39.tax-raising powers for the first time and the use of those powers by

:03:40. > :03:43.the next Scottish Government could have material effect on doing

:03:44. > :03:48.business in Scotland. We want to make sure that has continued to be

:03:49. > :03:50.applied in a way that will make Scottish businesses competitive. It

:03:51. > :03:55.is not just the Scottish election that could impact on business. There

:03:56. > :04:00.is the small matter of a possible referendum on Europe. Perhaps the

:04:01. > :04:03.first interest rate rise in almost a decade. So how do we overcome the

:04:04. > :04:09.certainties? We have low productivity in the UK, we have

:04:10. > :04:15.lower productivity in Scotland. The only way that we will get back to

:04:16. > :04:19.2.5% growth on a continual basis is by raising productivity and have it

:04:20. > :04:24.like a sharp focus on that point for three or four months and to come up

:04:25. > :04:27.with policies which business and governments approved of and can

:04:28. > :04:32.support. The global economy is far from

:04:33. > :04:37.stable. How Scotland fares will depend on a raft of new fiscal

:04:38. > :04:38.powers and whether or not a future Scottish Government is prepared to

:04:39. > :04:39.use them. is Scottish Labour's

:04:40. > :04:43.spokeswoman on the economy, Jackie Baillie, and from

:04:44. > :04:45.the SNP, Kenneth Gibson, who's convener of Holyrood's

:04:46. > :04:58.Finance Committee. Good evening. Kenneth Gibson, rather

:04:59. > :05:01.gloomy words from the Chancellor today, quite a different tone from

:05:02. > :05:06.the Autumn Statement, is he trying to prepare us for bad news to come?

:05:07. > :05:09.I thought not, but it looks like it might be. The Finance Committee

:05:10. > :05:14.which Jackie Baillie also sits on looked at evidence and one of the

:05:15. > :05:19.great concerns that came across to me was the fact that they were .5%

:05:20. > :05:23.increase in the interest rate which is possible this year would cost the

:05:24. > :05:28.UK ?20 billion each year, that would have to be raised through tax or

:05:29. > :05:33.spending cuts, so clearly has serious implications if it was to

:05:34. > :05:37.take place. One Scotland, what with the implication be? The economy is

:05:38. > :05:42.more sluggish year. Yes, it has grown steadily over the last few

:05:43. > :05:45.years but obviously it is slightly less than that of the UK because of

:05:46. > :05:50.the impact of the oil prices at this time and I noticed Jeremy talking

:05:51. > :05:55.about productivity, the UK productivity has stayed the same

:05:56. > :06:03.over the last few years but since 2007 the Scottish one has grown.

:06:04. > :06:08.People have important concerns about this.

:06:09. > :06:11.Jackie Baillie, is the Chancellor correct to warn of creeping

:06:12. > :06:16.complacency and that we have to keep a tight rein on spending? I think he

:06:17. > :06:20.is correct to one of the consequences that could lie ahead,

:06:21. > :06:24.but his Autumn Statement was only in November and some of the things he

:06:25. > :06:28.is now warning us about he knew then. I am concerned about the

:06:29. > :06:31.impact on the Scottish economy. It is the case that our economy is

:06:32. > :06:36.operating at a slower level than the rest of the UK. Why do you think

:06:37. > :06:41.that is the case? There are a number of factors and I think that Jeremy

:06:42. > :06:45.peat is correct. We need to do better at productivity and at jobs.

:06:46. > :06:49.Compared to the rest of the duty in percentage terms we have fewer

:06:50. > :06:52.people employed and more people unemployed and so we are not

:06:53. > :06:57.performing as well against a range of measures. Kenneth Gibson is

:06:58. > :07:07.correct to tell you that with oil at a staggering 32 Doreen -- $32

:07:08. > :07:10.billion per barrel of oil, and the cost it takes to get it out of the

:07:11. > :07:14.oil, then we have to look at the figures in the future. The Scottish

:07:15. > :07:21.Government has indicated that growth has gone from in 2015 2.2% to 1.9%,

:07:22. > :07:25.the expected to be 1.8% this year. I actually think when the GDP figures

:07:26. > :07:30.come out we will see it as lower stomach and that really plays badly

:07:31. > :07:34.for our economy and for consumer confidence. There are a host of new

:07:35. > :07:39.powers coming down the track for the Scottish Parliament. What is the SNP

:07:40. > :07:43.going to do? How will it use these powers to stomach the economy? Many

:07:44. > :07:47.of these Ms Towers will not be available to us until April next

:07:48. > :07:55.year. -- new powers. But we are doing quite a lot. We have eight

:07:56. > :07:57.innovation centres that we are establishing. We are spending more

:07:58. > :08:00.on research and development than many other countries in the world.

:08:01. > :08:05.We have from the Chamber of Commerce and business that we have the most

:08:06. > :08:09.competitive rates and profile in the entire duty, so it is a good place

:08:10. > :08:14.to do business. We are the second best place in the UK for attracting

:08:15. > :08:19.inward investment. It is not all doom and gloom, we have increased

:08:20. > :08:24.exports and even have our cross shrinks, it is still growth.

:08:25. > :08:30.Remember we had a 6% fall under the last Labour government in output. We

:08:31. > :08:33.are not in that doom and gloom situation, but things could be

:08:34. > :08:37.better. We must invest more in infrastructure and that is what we

:08:38. > :08:42.will do. All of the indications are that things will get worse. I do not

:08:43. > :08:46.want complacency from any government because if we act now, we can maybe

:08:47. > :08:52.stabilise things. The disappointing thing is that despite the innovation

:08:53. > :08:56.centres, all of the list of things that Kenny has outlined, growth is

:08:57. > :09:00.declining. We are heading in the wrong direction in so many of these

:09:01. > :09:06.indicators... What would Scottish Labour do? There has been talk about

:09:07. > :09:11.making the wealthiest pay more. In things like tax, for example, but it

:09:12. > :09:14.cannot be like that to stomach the economy. The experts will tell you

:09:15. > :09:17.that if you want to crawl your economy you must invest in your

:09:18. > :09:22.people and that is about education from the early stages right the way

:09:23. > :09:26.through colleges and universities. Which will take time. Of course, it

:09:27. > :09:29.is these goals of the nation that feed into the nation that feed into

:09:30. > :09:32.housing Cecil and economy you have. We must look ahead to the industries

:09:33. > :09:37.of the future, making sure we identified what they are because in

:09:38. > :09:41.20 years' time, the type of jobs we work and will have completely

:09:42. > :09:45.changed. We must look ahead and invest in our people to take care of

:09:46. > :09:49.those opportunities. But as Kenny said, we must attract inward

:09:50. > :09:55.investment. But that has led to fewer jobs. We want to see it work

:09:56. > :10:00.in a way that increases the number of jobs available in Scotland. 3500

:10:01. > :10:06.additional jobs in Scotland regarding inward investment last

:10:07. > :10:11.year. The number of apprenticeships under the SNP has almost doubled

:10:12. > :10:16.from 15,000 to some 20 7000. We are investing in skills. Would we not

:10:17. > :10:20.expect the Scottish economy to perform better if the Scottish

:10:21. > :10:26.Government had been still awaiting the economy? It is performing better

:10:27. > :10:29.than would otherwise be the case. Because oil and gas is such a huge

:10:30. > :10:34.sector, it has been having an impact. If you look at the gap in

:10:35. > :10:38.terms of productivity and per capita and jobs and output in any since the

:10:39. > :10:42.SNP has been in power between Scotland and England, all of these

:10:43. > :10:45.gaps have shrunk. We have the second highest number of women employed in

:10:46. > :10:52.the whole of the European Union. Our youth unemployed level is 9%

:10:53. > :11:00.higher... Sorry, I should say my employment level. We are performing

:11:01. > :11:03.better than the rest of the UK. We are out of time, I will have to be

:11:04. > :11:04.that there at the moment. Thank you both for coming in this evening.

:11:05. > :11:09.Thank you. Thank you. Today marks the anniversary

:11:10. > :11:11.of the terrorist attack at the French satirical

:11:12. > :11:13.magazine Charlie Hebdo. French President Francois

:11:14. > :11:14.Hollande unveiled one of several new plaques that have

:11:15. > :11:17.appeared across Paris to commemorate all 17 of those killed in a series

:11:18. > :11:20.of attacks last January. Charlie Hebdo magazine is marking

:11:21. > :11:22.the anniversary with it's aimed straight

:11:23. > :11:24.at God, headlined, In Edinburgh, MSPs urged cartoonists

:11:25. > :11:29.and satirists to continue to mock those who try

:11:30. > :11:32.to limit freedom of speech. French-born MSP Christian Allard led

:11:33. > :11:35.a debate in Holyrood earlier today Mr Allard called for the 7th

:11:36. > :11:40.of January to be celebrated as Cartoonists' Day, and he joins me

:11:41. > :11:57.now from our Aberdeen studio. Good evening to you. Good evening,

:11:58. > :12:01.Shelley Jofre. Why do you think it is important to

:12:02. > :12:07.defend the rate of cartoonists are publish satirical work?

:12:08. > :12:11.What is important is when you see an attack like that of last year, it is

:12:12. > :12:14.to stand shoulder to shoulder with the people of France and we did that

:12:15. > :12:21.last year in the Scottish Parliament and then the French communities

:12:22. > :12:26.around Scotland, Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh, and we have to do

:12:27. > :12:31.that one year on. We want to change the way that we do things. To a

:12:32. > :12:38.certain extent, it is great that sister Nicole magazine Charlie Hebdo

:12:39. > :12:44.kept on doing exactly the same thing that they were doing before. --

:12:45. > :12:47.satirical magazine. They have not kept doing the exact

:12:48. > :12:51.same thing, I know that two of the chief cartoonist of the magazine

:12:52. > :12:56.will no longer draw the Prophet Muhammad, but we saw God on the

:12:57. > :12:59.front cover this week, so have lots to a certain extent the terrorists

:13:00. > :13:02.achieved some of what they were looking for?

:13:03. > :13:08.I am not somebody who buys Charlie Hebdo regularly, so I can not tell

:13:09. > :13:16.you exactly what they have done. But it is important to make sure that

:13:17. > :13:19.all of the cartoonists, not only in France, but here in Britain and

:13:20. > :13:24.across the world are not afraid to drop what they want to draw. It is

:13:25. > :13:29.important to remember those who perished last year, maybe to make

:13:30. > :13:35.sure that cartoonists across the world get the backing from us and

:13:36. > :13:39.understand that they are supported. We saw more terror in Paris today,

:13:40. > :13:44.French police shooting dead a man trying to attack a police station,

:13:45. > :13:47.apparently timed to coincide with the first anniversary of Charlie

:13:48. > :13:52.Hebdo, does that make you feel at all uneasy when you are calling

:13:53. > :13:56.essentially for the right to offend? I think it is very important that we

:13:57. > :14:01.do not change the things that we do. What a terrorist wants to do is for

:14:02. > :14:07.us to talk about them and teams to be that we do things, we must not do

:14:08. > :14:11.this. Most importantly, on a day like today, one year on, we have to

:14:12. > :14:17.remember the victims that I think President Hollande did just that.

:14:18. > :14:21.Unveiling plaques across Paris. To remember those who died in the

:14:22. > :14:24.offices of Charlie Hebdo and those who died in the Jewish supermarket.

:14:25. > :14:30.It is so important that we do that, that we do not poetry and speak too

:14:31. > :14:33.much of the terrorists, but talk about the victims instead and the

:14:34. > :14:37.coming together of the people of France and the people across the

:14:38. > :14:41.world. It was so emotional to see the responses here in Scotland when

:14:42. > :14:46.it happened as the parliament came together again today and to show our

:14:47. > :14:50.appreciation and making sure that we pass our solidarity with the

:14:51. > :14:55.cartoonists across the world. It would not be a bad idea to have a

:14:56. > :14:58.car to mistake on that particular day.

:14:59. > :15:03.Christian Allard, thank you for joining us this evening.

:15:04. > :15:48.Christian Allard, thank you for sandwich shop. They run a period

:15:49. > :17:39.forward at work customers sandwich shop. They run a period

:17:40. > :17:44.to a few people. The mood there was definitely very downbeat. How did

:17:45. > :17:50.that contrast was Lesbos when you got to there? Lesbos was our end

:17:51. > :17:59.destination. That is where a lot of the wreckage is first arrived,

:18:00. > :18:03.coming on books and the from Turkey. -- the refugees first arrive. The

:18:04. > :18:09.atmosphere was hopeful, people at the start of their journey. People

:18:10. > :18:14.had a sense of the future that could lie ahead for them. I suppose that

:18:15. > :18:18.was one of the sad things about it, seeing that will diminish over the

:18:19. > :18:23.course of the journey that we did in reverse. Lots of families there? In

:18:24. > :18:43.Lesbos, lots of kids, yeah. We brought a lot of practical things

:18:44. > :18:57.but also Tories and things for kids, and is uplifting to see -- Tories

:18:58. > :19:01.and things. About one third of your donations were for aid for refugees.

:19:02. > :19:08.Your surprise at the level of the board? I didn't know what to expect.

:19:09. > :19:12.The plan was to do a big Christmas dinner for homeless people on

:19:13. > :19:16.Christmas Day, and that was really successful. This year we decided to

:19:17. > :19:21.expand it and do it for the homeless again but also for refugees. A few

:19:22. > :19:26.people said, charity begins at home, and all of that kind of thing. But

:19:27. > :19:29.my view is, we are all one who monetary, and especially going there

:19:30. > :19:34.and meeting all of these refugees individually in person, they are

:19:35. > :19:40.just like you and me, they just come from a different place. -- we are

:19:41. > :19:45.all one humanity. We are not gorgeous of the problem with some

:19:46. > :19:51.food and warm clothing, but it was about trying to express our humanity

:19:52. > :19:54.and reach out. So I was really delighted with the response and

:19:55. > :20:01.delighted that such a large proportion was for refugees as well

:20:02. > :20:09.the ball for -- as well as people on our own doorstep. However leisure

:20:10. > :20:18.was George Clooney do you think? -- how influential? It was a bit of a

:20:19. > :20:21.miracle in some ways. Our small family shop on broad Street, which

:20:22. > :20:27.only three years ago I was making sound use and serving customers,

:20:28. > :20:37.suddenly the global media descended. -- making sandwiches. It put us in a

:20:38. > :20:41.great position to make a success of the Christmas campaign. We got

:20:42. > :20:43.George recording a message saying he is the handing over the first ?5

:20:44. > :20:52.which really kick-started it. I think it give it a big test for

:20:53. > :20:56.sure. There are already a lot of big charities supporting refugees. What

:20:57. > :21:10.made you think it was important that Social Bite sent their own, by? --

:21:11. > :21:14.of their own convoy. The thing people liked about what we did is we

:21:15. > :21:21.raise the money in week before Christmas and did the arrangement

:21:22. > :21:28.with trespassed, loaded the bands Christmas Eve, and as everybody gets

:21:29. > :21:37.back from the Christmas break the supplies are deliverers. It was very

:21:38. > :21:48.immediate. Is this a one-off or more you be continuing at? We have a big

:21:49. > :21:51.platform. So you know, there is a platform there, and if the refugee

:21:52. > :21:55.issue is still prevalent next year we may do the same thing again, we

:21:56. > :22:02.can use it to try and address any issue that we see fit. Christmas is

:22:03. > :22:07.a time where people are very conscious that they are indulging

:22:08. > :22:10.with families in Sudan of gifts, it is the time that people are

:22:11. > :22:15.typically prepared to support these cans of things. -- with student and

:22:16. > :22:17.lots of gifts. Joining me now to talk about some

:22:18. > :22:20.of the day's other news are former Labour

:22:21. > :22:22.MSP Pauline McNeill and the Observer's Scotland editor,

:22:23. > :22:31.Kevin McKenna. Welcome to you both. The foreign

:22:32. > :22:37.affairs select committee today published transcripts of phone calls

:22:38. > :22:40.from 2011 showing that Tony Boyer told Colonel Gaddafi to step aside

:22:41. > :22:46.and accept a peaceful change of Government to prevent violent

:22:47. > :22:51.protest. -- Tony Blair. As we can see, the two were allies. Only

:22:52. > :22:58.offered to help the dictator work with the US and EU to resolve

:22:59. > :23:03.crisis. The chair of the Middle East and North Africa for, what do you

:23:04. > :23:09.make of these transcripts? They are fascinating. The dialogue between

:23:10. > :23:13.Gaddafi and Tony Blair, Gaddafi is trying to tell Tony Blair at that

:23:14. > :23:16.you think the violence is cause by me, but there are other forces at

:23:17. > :23:22.play here. What has been happening across Europe with the rise of

:23:23. > :23:26.Al-Qaeda and now Isis, that is what he was seeing. I am not sure that

:23:27. > :23:33.Tony Blair really picked up on what he was trying to achieve, peace in

:23:34. > :23:41.Libya. The present think that is talked about, the Arab Spring, there

:23:42. > :23:48.was something much more deadly going on underneath that. I think it is

:23:49. > :23:56.really important to study them and get some idea of where it all

:23:57. > :24:00.started. And the chair of the select committee said today that perhaps

:24:01. > :24:06.Gaddafi's warning was wrongly ignored. Do you think he has got a

:24:07. > :24:10.point to there? No, I don't think he does. Remember at this time we have

:24:11. > :24:16.already seen the attacks in London. We had seen the attacks of 911 that

:24:17. > :24:20.would beggar belief that our intelligence agencies, even though

:24:21. > :24:23.they have not had a great track record recently, would not have

:24:24. > :24:32.known by then that of course there was going to be an escalation of the

:24:33. > :24:39.war by certain sects and militants as one -- is lamb, which we like to

:24:40. > :24:46.call it, to the European mainland. If you're seeing this to save that

:24:47. > :24:54.we have -- if he is saying this to say we have missed an opportunity

:24:55. > :25:00.five or six years ago, if you read Aston in 2011 did he think there

:25:01. > :25:06.would be an escalation of exercises, militarism by certain groups and

:25:07. > :25:11.factions committed to militant Islam in mainland Europe, you would have

:25:12. > :25:17.said, of course. He says the evidence suggests Western

:25:18. > :25:24.policymakers were less perceptive than Gaddafi. Do you think that is a

:25:25. > :25:27.fear comment? Yes. I see similarities to what happened at the

:25:28. > :25:34.beginning of the Syrian war where whatever the responsibilities of

:25:35. > :25:43.resident Assad wear at that time, he made the same claims as Gaddafi, and

:25:44. > :25:51.there is truth in that. We are now in a situation is up where written

:25:52. > :25:55.has switched sides -- Britain has switched sides. It does show the

:25:56. > :26:01.importance of observing and monitoring correctly what is going

:26:02. > :26:05.on in this part of the world. As George Osborne today is warning in

:26:06. > :26:11.his view of serious threats to Britain resulting from that. Let's

:26:12. > :26:13.move on, because Tony Blair is not the only former prime minister

:26:14. > :26:17.making headlines today. Gordon Brown was in Edinburgh earlier calling on

:26:18. > :26:24.Scots to go to remain in the European Union. The case for the EU

:26:25. > :26:29.is about jobs, prospects for young people, security for the future, and

:26:30. > :26:34.I believe the best role as Frost to be leading in Europe and not leaving

:26:35. > :26:42.Europe. -- is for costs to be leading. The Scottish National Party

:26:43. > :26:47.want to use co-operation in Europe as a basis for noncooperation in the

:26:48. > :26:49.United Kingdom. They say they support the principle operations

:26:50. > :26:54.will operate in, but they do not want to support the rest of the

:26:55. > :27:01.United Kingdom. However learn shall do you think Gordon Brown will be

:27:02. > :27:05.this issue? Not very. I still think his influence in the referendum was

:27:06. > :27:08.exaggerated. Since then he has had plenty to say about Jeremy Corbyn

:27:09. > :27:17.and what might happen to the Labour Party if Corbyn gets elected. He

:27:18. > :27:20.strikes me as being somebody who has tried and failed to become a

:27:21. > :27:27.statesman when he was in office, and now he is trying to be a statesman

:27:28. > :27:32.with whatever main statesman-like issue is abroad these days. If it

:27:33. > :27:39.going to be tricky, do you think, to have him and Nicola Sturgeon being

:27:40. > :27:42.on the same side of this debate? It shouldn't be tricky, because there

:27:43. > :27:47.is too much at stake for party politics to get in the road of that.

:27:48. > :27:50.I personally thought it was a significant contribution,

:27:51. > :27:53.particularly for Labour people who perhaps, looking back at the

:27:54. > :27:59.referendum, want to make sure that Scottish Labour has its own campaign

:28:00. > :28:05.around Europe. Some of the points he made about the importance of the

:28:06. > :28:08.number of jobs dependent on Europe, I think somebody has got to

:28:09. > :28:12.kick-start that debate pretty soon if there is any possibility there

:28:13. > :28:18.will be a referendum this year. I certainly think labour movement, and

:28:19. > :28:21.the language that Gordon Brown uses is the sort of language that gets

:28:22. > :28:26.Labour Party people into the attic about these things. And briefly

:28:27. > :28:30.before we go, I would like to briefly talk about Telegraph

:28:31. > :28:34.journalist Dan Hodges, who almost a true to his word after he lost the

:28:35. > :28:40.bet for the last election. In 2012 he said, if you get break the 6%

:28:41. > :28:47.mark at the next election, I will streak naked down Whitehall. -- if

:28:48. > :28:55.Ukip break the 6%. Today his moment came. Would you place a bet on what

:28:56. > :29:01.Ukip are going to do at this election? You could be strategic. I

:29:02. > :29:06.can think of some male journalists in the Scottish political lobby who

:29:07. > :29:12.if they threatened to do that in the event of Ukip getting seven

:29:13. > :29:15.percentage points would see a massive decimation of Ukip support

:29:16. > :29:23.if they threatened to run naked anyway. They got 12% in the UK

:29:24. > :29:24.election - I can see them getting anything like that in Scotland.

:29:25. > :29:30.Andrew will be back on Monday, same time.