:00:00. > :00:00.As MPs debate banning him from Britain, Donald Trump threatens
:00:00. > :00:32.Well, he'll still get into the UK, but The Donald won't be getting
:00:33. > :00:42.His comments about Muslims are passionately condemned by MPs.
:00:43. > :00:46.He's talking about my family, my children. That is what Mr Trump is
:00:47. > :00:48.talking about. Widespread opposition at Holyrood
:00:49. > :00:51.to the Trades Unions Bill. Does the Scottish Government
:00:52. > :00:53.have the power to block it? And 1% of the richest people
:00:54. > :00:56.own more than the other 99%. Donald Trump's comments
:00:57. > :01:09.about Muslims made the UK an "uncomfortable place"
:01:10. > :01:12.for her and other Muslims to live Another called him a "dangerous
:01:13. > :01:16.fool". For three hours, MPs debated
:01:17. > :01:21.whether the Home Secretary should ban the American presidential
:01:22. > :01:23.hopeful from Britain The debate at Westminster
:01:24. > :01:41.was prompted by an e-petition signed Earlier today, Donald Trump
:01:42. > :01:47.addressed students at liberty university, Lynchburg, in Virginia.
:01:48. > :01:52.Get those teleprompters out of here. At almost the same time, MPs at
:01:53. > :01:57.Westminster Paul were debating a petition to ban the Republican
:01:58. > :02:02.presidential contender from the UK. I draw the line at freedom of speech
:02:03. > :02:06.when it imports violent ideology, which is what I feel is happening.
:02:07. > :02:10.If we only allow free speech for those we agree with, is that free
:02:11. > :02:17.speech at all? He is talking about my family, my children. That is what
:02:18. > :02:20.Mr Trump is talking about. It is worthy of note, however, that his
:02:21. > :02:25.policy would make it impossible for me or other Muslims of America to
:02:26. > :02:30.travel to his country to make the same case there that we are making
:02:31. > :02:34.here. This follows Mr Trump's comments about Muslims. Donald J
:02:35. > :02:39.Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims
:02:40. > :02:44.entering the United States, until our country's representatives can
:02:45. > :02:50.figure out what the hell is going on. But he had caused a few raw at
:02:51. > :02:55.the launch of his presidential campaign with remarks he made about
:02:56. > :03:00.Mexicans. They are bringing drugs, crime. They are priests, and I
:03:01. > :03:07.assume some are good people -- they are beasts. At the same time, one of
:03:08. > :03:12.his hosts in Scotland was laying golf. He can say what he wants, my
:03:13. > :03:17.opinion about myself and my culture is not going to change. He has
:03:18. > :03:24.caused the odd row here, of course, not least about wind farms of his
:03:25. > :03:28.East Aberdeenshire golf course. The mother is from Scotland, and you
:03:29. > :03:32.have to be careful. The greatest thing Scotland has is its land. The
:03:33. > :03:36.greatest thing, other than its people, who are incredible, is its
:03:37. > :03:40.land. They are destroying the landscape of Scotland with these
:03:41. > :03:43.ugly wind turbines. The latest controversy meant hundreds of
:03:44. > :03:46.thousands signed a petition here to ban Donald Trump from the UK.
:03:47. > :03:50.Students at liberty university told us what they thought. I think
:03:51. > :03:54.keeping him out of another country would not be the best idea. It
:03:55. > :03:58.actually does the same thing that they don't want him to do to Muslim
:03:59. > :04:06.people. Just because you don't agree with someone, or you think they
:04:07. > :04:12.could be dangerous, it doesn't mean they should be banned from a
:04:13. > :04:17.country. Meanwhile, Mr kerb's spokesperson in Scotland gave the
:04:18. > :04:21.official reaction -- Mr Trump's spokesperson. Our politicians would
:04:22. > :04:25.be better served in debating the issues currently facing our country
:04:26. > :04:28.and its people. In the north-east of Scotland, there are tens of
:04:29. > :04:33.thousands of jobs being lost in the oil industry, and thousands more to
:04:34. > :04:37.come. These are the issues that our parliament should be focusing on. It
:04:38. > :04:44.maybe that ordinary voters in the US will not much notice of anything MPs
:04:45. > :04:49.say. My guess is that if he is asked about it, which he will be by media,
:04:50. > :04:56.he will say that this is evidence of him standing up for what is right,
:04:57. > :04:59.of him saying what needs to be said. His campaign slogan is to make
:05:00. > :05:03.America a great again, and this is how he does it, by speaking the
:05:04. > :05:10.truth and standing up to foreign bodies. His opponents may try to use
:05:11. > :05:15.it as a way of showing that Trump doesn't have the respect of foreign
:05:16. > :05:25.powers. Do you really want this man to be on the world stage? And saying
:05:26. > :05:30.these outlandish comments? This is not what we should have representing
:05:31. > :05:37.America. It may even be that uppity Brits complaining about him will do
:05:38. > :05:40.Mr Trump some good. Donald Cobb knows how to make America great. --
:05:41. > :05:42.Donald Trump. And we can speak now
:05:43. > :05:55.to our Westminster Correspondent - We saw a passionate contribution
:05:56. > :06:01.there from Tasmin Ahmed Sheikh. Where the SNP United on this today?
:06:02. > :06:06.Something you do not see often these days, SNP MPs disagreeing with each
:06:07. > :06:09.other. As you say, Tasmin Ahmed Sheikh made a powerful personal
:06:10. > :06:15.argument in favour of banning Donald Trump from the UK. She argued that
:06:16. > :06:20.his policies would condemn her family, as Muslims, to not be able
:06:21. > :06:25.to visit the United States. She said Donald Trump was bad for business in
:06:26. > :06:29.Scotland. Making the opposite argument, however, was Corey Wilson,
:06:30. > :06:34.the SNP MP who represents the area in which the golf course is based.
:06:35. > :06:38.She said Mr Trump's investments had been great for the local area.
:06:39. > :06:43.Although she strongly condemned the comments he made about Muslims, she
:06:44. > :06:48.said that he removing any investment from Turnberry would be
:06:49. > :06:50.catastrophic. We saw a lot of contributions and cross-party
:06:51. > :06:55.condemnation of his comments. Is there actually any prospect of him
:06:56. > :06:58.being banned from the UK? It is very unlikely. One of the things about
:06:59. > :07:03.Westminster Hall debates is that they are great for MPs to give their
:07:04. > :07:06.opinion on an issue of the day and sound off like things about Donald
:07:07. > :07:10.Trump, but there is no vote taken at the end of the debate. Ultimately,
:07:11. > :07:15.the decision on this will lie with the Home Secretary, Theresa May. She
:07:16. > :07:19.hasn't given her own opinion on whether Mr Trump should be banned
:07:20. > :07:24.yet, but we have had a number of soundings from the government that
:07:25. > :07:27.they do not think banning a man who could be the Republican presidential
:07:28. > :07:29.candidate and could even one day be president, from the UK if a good
:07:30. > :07:31.idea. Union reforms proposed by the UK
:07:32. > :07:34.Government could damage industrial relations in Scotland,
:07:35. > :07:37.according to Holyrood's Devolution MSPs are calling for Scotland to be
:07:38. > :07:42.removed from the scope The Scottish secretary,
:07:43. > :07:45.David Mundell, says the UK government will "look closely"
:07:46. > :07:47.at their concerns. Here's our political
:07:48. > :08:02.correspondent, Glenn Campbell. The law on strikes and other union
:08:03. > :08:07.activities is not devolved. It is for Westminster to decide. But a
:08:08. > :08:11.majority on Holyrood Palace make devolution committee want the
:08:12. > :08:15.Conservative government to exempt Scotland from the changes they
:08:16. > :08:19.propose. There is widespread opposition to this in Scotland. We
:08:20. > :08:22.think Scotland should be removed from the territorial extent as far
:08:23. > :08:25.as the Trade Union Bill is concerned, particularly given that
:08:26. > :08:31.90% of the public service in Scotland work in devolved areas.
:08:32. > :08:36.Scotland opposes the Trade Union Bill. There was a rally against the
:08:37. > :08:38.bill in Glasgow last month, and both the Scottish Government and local
:08:39. > :08:44.government employers oppose the legislation. The Trade Union Bill
:08:45. > :08:48.abolishes check off in the public sector, preventing employers
:08:49. > :08:53.collecting union subscriptions. It regulates facility time, giving
:08:54. > :08:59.ministers powers to curb paid time off for union activities. And it
:09:00. > :09:05.requires a minimum 50% turnout for strike ballots to be valid. No
:09:06. > :09:09.matter what Holyrood says about the rules on strike ballots, UK
:09:10. > :09:17.ministers are determined that their reforms will apply across Britain.
:09:18. > :09:22.But might they be prepared to exempt Scotland from the changes to check
:09:23. > :09:25.off and facility time? The UK Government certainly hasn't ruled
:09:26. > :09:30.that out. We will look at the report. The First Minister has
:09:31. > :09:34.raised these issues with the Prime Minister at a meeting at the end of
:09:35. > :09:39.last year. At that point, the Prime Minister undertook to look at the
:09:40. > :09:44.issues that had been raised. He is still considering them. So what if
:09:45. > :09:48.he rejects the pleas of Nicola Sturgeon and others? If the bill
:09:49. > :09:54.becomes law, we will not voluntarily cooperate with it or implement it in
:09:55. > :10:01.Scotland. That was the First Minister's warning at Unite's
:10:02. > :10:04.Scottish conference, but the union's leader called on the Scottish
:10:05. > :10:08.Government to go further. I will be saying, don't just oppose this
:10:09. > :10:12.wretched Bill, but block it in Scotland. But given industrial
:10:13. > :10:16.relations law is a Westminster responsibility, what scope does
:10:17. > :10:19.Holyrood actually have the block the Trade Union Bill?
:10:20. > :10:23.When the Trades Union Bill was debated in Holyrood last
:10:24. > :10:25.November, there was near cross-party consensus in opposing it.
:10:26. > :10:27.Only the Conservatives voted in favour.
:10:28. > :10:31.So you might think they'd be keen to come on and tell us why.
:10:32. > :10:34.But not one of their 14 MSPs was available this evening and nor
:10:35. > :10:40.So joining me here from the SNP is Linda Fabiani and Neil Findlay
:10:41. > :10:56.Linda Fabiani, trade union law is not a devolved matter, so why do you
:10:57. > :11:00.think Scotland should be exempted from the scope of Westminster's
:11:01. > :11:03.Trade Union Bill? Cos it has a direct effect on Scotland. Firstly,
:11:04. > :11:09.there has been no consultation in any meaningful way. We heard that
:11:10. > :11:14.from the representatives when they came to our committee last week. So
:11:15. > :11:19.there is no knowledge at Westminster of how industrial relations work in
:11:20. > :11:22.Scotland, and we have a good system. Since the SNP came to power, the
:11:23. > :11:27.number of industrial actions has gone down hugely. We have a good
:11:28. > :11:35.relationship with the trade unions, and employers, people working
:11:36. > :11:40.together. Then why should you be consulted? Because it directly
:11:41. > :11:45.affects people in Scotland. Not only that. When you look at what is
:11:46. > :11:48.devolved, like the health services, the Fire Services and public
:11:49. > :11:53.services, this could have a massive impact on the relations we have over
:11:54. > :11:59.issues that are the responsibility of Scotland. Neil Findlay, there
:12:00. > :12:04.have been attempts by SNP and Labour MPs to block the bill. They failed,
:12:05. > :12:10.so what more do you think the Scottish Government could do? Linda
:12:11. > :12:15.is right. This does impact on public services in Scotland. It impacts on
:12:16. > :12:20.police support staff, the NHS, local government, a whole range of
:12:21. > :12:25.services. So you agree on that? Yes, it does impact. The other reason we
:12:26. > :12:29.can debate it in the Scottish Government is because the presiding
:12:30. > :12:33.officer has ruled that we cannot. She would have done that on the
:12:34. > :12:37.basis of legal advice, but presumably, since the Scottish
:12:38. > :12:41.Government laid their legislative consent motion, they would have had
:12:42. > :12:48.legal advice also that was contrary to the presiding officer. So I think
:12:49. > :12:50.we should work together towards getting that legislative consent
:12:51. > :12:57.motion before Parliament so that we can debate this, because it clearly
:12:58. > :13:00.impact on devolved services. Could this block it? We are having a
:13:01. > :13:04.debate in the Scottish Parliament next week on the committee's report.
:13:05. > :13:09.So it is not that we have stopped debating it. What has not been
:13:10. > :13:17.allowed is the legislative consent motion is required to being
:13:18. > :13:21.committed in Scotland. But in the end, is then not very little you can
:13:22. > :13:24.do? One of the recommendations of the devolution and additional powers
:13:25. > :13:30.committees is that the Scottish Government has another debate as
:13:31. > :13:35.well. We have to look at every possibility of mitigating in
:13:36. > :13:39.Scotland. We want Scotland taken out of this, of course we do. But there
:13:40. > :13:42.is also a big issue about the regulatory powers of the Scottish
:13:43. > :13:47.ministers when it comes to the public services. At the very least,
:13:48. > :13:51.that should be passed over so that's what Nicola Sturgeon said, that we
:13:52. > :13:56.will not willingly implement this, at least with the public services,
:13:57. > :13:57.we should know where we are and where industrial relations are
:13:58. > :14:08.going. We would not be discussing the
:14:09. > :14:12.legislative consent motion. There is a proposal from Labour and that we
:14:13. > :14:17.change the standing orders of the parliament to allow that to happen.
:14:18. > :14:20.How long would that take? It could be done quickly if there is a
:14:21. > :14:25.political will. The parties that believe in that should move in that
:14:26. > :14:28.direction. I put down a motion in Parliament before the Christmas
:14:29. > :14:32.recess stating that the parties should get together and we should
:14:33. > :14:38.support that move to change the rules. It is nonpartisan, asking for
:14:39. > :14:44.that. You want to withhold consent for something that is not a devolved
:14:45. > :14:50.issue. What disappoints be on this, and I hope that London will be the
:14:51. > :14:58.first SNP member to support this, I would ask her to look at that. In
:14:59. > :15:02.terms of legislative consent, the Welsh assembly has a legislative
:15:03. > :15:07.consent motion put down by the Welsh Government which will be debated so
:15:08. > :15:10.that is an implication in Wales and the implications in Scotland. The
:15:11. > :15:15.Conservatives are conspicuous by their absence here tonight. Would
:15:16. > :15:19.you not be better placed finding a way of agreeing instead of
:15:20. > :15:24.squabbling about the way forward? I agree but what I will say is that I
:15:25. > :15:30.believe that the best way of working together was through the Smith
:15:31. > :15:34.Commission to get union law and employment law devolved. The same
:15:35. > :15:38.way that the STC wanted. The Smith Commission might the past but Labour
:15:39. > :15:42.could still come on board and say they got it wrong, they want this
:15:43. > :15:46.devolved. It is up to us to make the decisions in Scotland and it should
:15:47. > :15:51.be up to us to make the decisions in Scotland. Can you beat United? Of
:15:52. > :15:56.course. The issue raised has passed. What we have two deal with now is
:15:57. > :16:08.the practicalities of what we can do. We can
:16:09. > :16:12.practically do that if we change the standing orders of the parliament
:16:13. > :16:14.and if we are willing to work across the parties to get that budget of
:16:15. > :16:17.consent motion before the parliament where I think there would be a large
:16:18. > :16:19.majority to vote that legislative consent motion down. Then we would
:16:20. > :16:21.expect the full weight of the Scottish Government to go into
:16:22. > :16:24.negotiations with the UK Government to exempt Scotland from this. There
:16:25. > :16:25.we must leave it for this evening. We will see how this other false.
:16:26. > :16:28.Argue for joining me. The rich and powerful are gathering
:16:29. > :16:31.in the small Swiss mountain village of Davos to take part
:16:32. > :16:33.in the World Economic Forum. Business and global leaders
:16:34. > :16:35.will discuss topics from climate But one poverty campaign group says
:16:36. > :16:42.the focus should be on how to reduce the worldwide gap
:16:43. > :16:45.between rich and poor. Ahead of the meeting,
:16:46. > :16:48.Oxfam GB has published a report claiming that just 62 people
:16:49. > :17:03.own the same wealth as half The world is getting richer and
:17:04. > :17:09.according to Oxfam more and equal. 1% of the worldpos-macro just people
:17:10. > :17:17.all more than the other 99%. The report found that in 2015 just 62
:17:18. > :17:21.people owned as much as 3.6 billion people, the poorest 50% of the
:17:22. > :17:25.population. And instead of narrowing the gap between the richest and
:17:26. > :17:31.poorest it is widening. The wealth of the richest rose by 44% in the
:17:32. > :17:36.five years since 2010. The combined wealth of the poorest fell by 41% in
:17:37. > :17:42.the same period. Today some have questioned Oxfam's report. The Adam
:17:43. > :17:47.Smith Institute said the figures are misleading that if you measure its
:17:48. > :17:50.definitely you could argue there is greater equality globally. Are we
:17:51. > :17:52.living in times of greater equality or as global inequality reaching new
:17:53. > :17:55.extremes? Joining me now from London hopefully
:17:56. > :17:59.to shed some light on those big questions are Oxfam GB's Head
:18:00. > :18:02.of Inequality, Nick Bryer and Ben Southwood from
:18:03. > :18:16.the free market think tank And what we are Oxfam's figures
:18:17. > :18:21.misleading? There are three problems. The point of
:18:22. > :18:26.representation. When you start to some up negative numbers you get
:18:27. > :18:30.strange results. The bottom 2 billion people have negative net
:18:31. > :18:34.wealth, not as you'll get real. If you add them up the amounts get
:18:35. > :18:38.smaller as and a bigger negative number. For the coolest person in
:18:39. > :18:44.the world, is actually richer than the next 2 billion people put
:18:45. > :18:48.together. It is misleading. It does not include human capital. People
:18:49. > :18:52.who have just finished university with student debts come out as very
:18:53. > :18:57.poor even if they are just about to start a banking job. Other measures
:18:58. > :19:02.of any quality sure it narrowing distribution, not a widening one. Do
:19:03. > :19:06.you accept that you are figures are misleading? Not at all. The Adam
:19:07. > :19:10.Smith Institute has raised these concerns that they have before. They
:19:11. > :19:15.are concerns that occurred to us when we first started looking at
:19:16. > :19:21.these data sources. This data is not something we have conjured up out of
:19:22. > :19:29.nowhere. This is widely regarded as the best available wealth data in
:19:30. > :19:37.the world. The point that was raised about graduates with debt, it is
:19:38. > :19:45.misleading. It is a distraction from the real story. You can look at the
:19:46. > :19:52.overall wealth statistics. 1% of people have more wealth than the
:19:53. > :19:56.other 99% combined. As that's not something to be concerned about?
:19:57. > :20:00.Possibly. There is reason why we might want to be concerned about
:20:01. > :20:06.wealth inequality. But at the same time it should not get too worried
:20:07. > :20:09.about it when it is being driven by various parsley temporary factors
:20:10. > :20:13.and partly misleading factors. One major reason why over the last few
:20:14. > :20:21.years and especially over the last year the number has shrunk, is
:20:22. > :20:27.because of a rising dollar, so most countries around the world appear to
:20:28. > :20:33.get your. Not at all. We had that seem concerned. We talked to people
:20:34. > :20:38.from the team who rate the report. We had the same concern and turns
:20:39. > :20:42.out because different currencies fluctuate, and if you look at the
:20:43. > :20:47.strained over a number of years, it turns out that effect is basically
:20:48. > :20:50.negligible. Do you think there is a limit to the amount of wealth that
:20:51. > :20:54.one person should be allowed to amass? It depends under what
:20:55. > :21:00.circumstances they are gaining the wealth? Look at the 62 people who
:21:01. > :21:04.own as much as half of the world, many of them, people like Bill Gates
:21:05. > :21:09.and others have created huge amount of value for everyone else on the
:21:10. > :21:13.way to getting their own wealth and after doing so they are biting at
:21:14. > :21:17.wealth parsley into investment, which mixes all wealthier and
:21:18. > :21:25.future, and partly into philanthropy. I do not think it is
:21:26. > :21:30.that big an issue to worry about. I do not think they should be a cap
:21:31. > :21:33.put on the amount of wealth someone could bring to themselves when it
:21:34. > :21:40.are also creating wealth for others. But trickles down in the end? The
:21:41. > :21:45.fact is and what history shows us the trickle down effect simply is
:21:46. > :21:53.not true. The president of the World Bank said the same if you months
:21:54. > :21:58.ago. What is said about philanthropy is true. There are some generous
:21:59. > :22:04.individuals within the super-rich 62 but it does not change the fact that
:22:05. > :22:08.if you look at tax havens, a perfect illustration of this insane runaway
:22:09. > :22:13.inequality we have, a system that works for the very rich and very
:22:14. > :22:22.powerful few, and against the majority, against the vast majority,
:22:23. > :22:25.tax havens are holding $7.6 trillion of individual wealth. That makes
:22:26. > :22:30.normal moral or economic sense. That is money that could be fuelling
:22:31. > :22:34.economies in rich and poor countries, it could be creating
:22:35. > :22:39.jobs. It is money that should be being taxed. Governments around the
:22:40. > :22:43.world are losing $190 billion because that wealth is stashed in
:22:44. > :22:47.tax havens. That is money that should be getting kids into school,
:22:48. > :22:53.getting sick people into hospital. It is ludicrous to say that that
:22:54. > :22:55.kind of tax avoidance is not having a harmful effect on everybody. There
:22:56. > :23:00.we must leave it. Thank you. Well joining me now to discuss that
:23:01. > :23:03.and some of today's other news stories are Gerry Hassan,
:23:04. > :23:05.Author and Research Fellow in cultural policy at the University
:23:06. > :23:08.of the West of Scotland, and the former Liberal Democrat
:23:09. > :23:20.advisor Shabnum Mustapha. Let us stick with the inequality
:23:21. > :23:25.story. How big an issue do you think it is going to be for politicians in
:23:26. > :23:30.the Holyrood election trail? Any quality is an issue. That is
:23:31. > :23:33.recognised across all the political parties. There will be differences
:23:34. > :23:37.in the manifesto is when they are published as to how we tackle it.
:23:38. > :23:43.All the major parties said they would prioritise education. We know
:23:44. > :23:48.there is an issue about education attainment gap, where the poorest
:23:49. > :23:54.children in Scotland. All the parties recognised as an issue, they
:23:55. > :23:57.all have different solutions. SNP have been in power for many years
:23:58. > :24:01.but the attainment gap has widened. He needs to ask questions of why
:24:02. > :24:06.they have not tackle this already. Other parties have put forward
:24:07. > :24:12.different proposals to dry and deal with this issue. Do you think that
:24:13. > :24:16.any of the parties are offering anything particularly radical? If
:24:17. > :24:20.you agree that this is a big problem what are they going to do to close
:24:21. > :24:25.the gap? You heard in that discussion, inequality is something
:24:26. > :24:29.that to most people it is an abstraction. It is about an entire
:24:30. > :24:35.society. To judge yourself relative to other people. Any quality matters
:24:36. > :24:43.in relationship to social justice and then to poverty. On those issues
:24:44. > :24:46.Scotland has talked a good talk for the entire devolution period, but
:24:47. > :24:51.that has not done anything other than redistribute income and
:24:52. > :24:56.opportunities up the income scale. Three tier for the elderly, council
:24:57. > :25:01.tax freeze, these do not reduce poverty or any quality. They have
:25:02. > :25:05.people that are doing all right. The bigger house you have the more you
:25:06. > :25:11.gain from the council tax freeze. If you talk about unravelling some of
:25:12. > :25:17.these issues we can maybe begin to start some things. Educational or
:25:18. > :25:22.lack of opportunity for working-class kids, it involves
:25:23. > :25:28.challenging middle-class privileges. David Cameron said a pure grasp of
:25:29. > :25:39.English left Muslim woman more susceptible to extremism. -- a poor
:25:40. > :25:43.grasp. If the investor not improve new migrants will not be guaranteed
:25:44. > :25:47.a right to stay. You have to be able to speak basic level of English to
:25:48. > :25:51.come into the country as it has and wife. We have made that change
:25:52. > :25:57.already and we're now going to tap in that up. We are halfway through
:25:58. > :26:01.the spousal settlement programme. There will be another opportunity to
:26:02. > :26:05.make sure your English is improving. You cannot guarantee you can stay if
:26:06. > :26:10.you do not improve your language. What do you make of this? I do not
:26:11. > :26:15.to start. There is a complete lack of coherence with this policy. He is
:26:16. > :26:20.taking the serious issue of tackling radicalisation in the UK which does
:26:21. > :26:24.need to be challenged and lumping and migrant Muslim woman in the UK
:26:25. > :26:29.who do not speak Angus, who make up a small number of the UK population,
:26:30. > :26:41.and trying to link the two. He has not brought forward serious evidence
:26:42. > :26:56.to show the link. I am not aware of any of those who have travels to
:26:57. > :27:02.commit terrorism... There is a point about segregation but segregation
:27:03. > :27:07.and integrating works both ways. It reminds me of Tony Blair at his
:27:08. > :27:14.worst when people had been involved in minor crimes were going to be
:27:15. > :27:19.taken to bank places and money being taken out of your account. It is
:27:20. > :27:25.just off the hoof policies, combining two issues. Yes, speaking
:27:26. > :27:29.English is helpful, yes there are issues in Muslim communities with
:27:30. > :27:36.some women. Issues in all sorts of communities, not just Muslim. There
:27:37. > :27:42.are issues with radicalisation. Before we get to the end of the
:27:43. > :27:45.programme I wanted to talk about 40 years since the Scottish Labour
:27:46. > :27:51.Party first broke away from the UK Labour Party. 40 years on has
:27:52. > :27:54.Scottish Labour completely embraced devolution? I do not think they have
:27:55. > :28:00.an adverse why they are where they are. History has shown us that they
:28:01. > :28:06.have never fully embraced it. They seem to have problems with it. The
:28:07. > :28:09.Calman Commission, the Smith Commission, they never came forward
:28:10. > :28:15.with innovative exciting policies for Scotland. Parties like the
:28:16. > :28:20.Liberal Democrats, federal parties who were comfortable with the idea
:28:21. > :28:25.of devolution, where as the Labour policy on devolution tends to be top
:28:26. > :28:30.down and that is why they had issues with it. There is an issue about
:28:31. > :28:38.trusting Scottish Labour to devolve powers. They do not have as much
:28:39. > :28:48.credibility on this. What do you think 40 years on was a static and
:28:49. > :28:53.is about breakaway? It was short and ill-fated. It shows the weakness of
:28:54. > :28:57.Scottish Labour. Jim Sillars pioneered Independence in Europe.
:28:58. > :29:04.You could say it was the birth pains of the modern SNP and the modern SNP
:29:05. > :29:09.dominance of Scotland. Have Scottish Labour learned from it? No.
:29:10. > :29:14.Political parties can adapt. They can fall, they can die, they can
:29:15. > :29:16.resurrect. But they are not at the resurrection stage yet.
:29:17. > :30:06.Let your New Year start with a bang and visit an explosive new China.
:30:07. > :30:12.Celebrate a country 4,000 years in the making.
:30:13. > :30:18.Getting out into the streets and seeing what it's all about.
:30:19. > :30:22.And see this little-known nation in a brand-new light.