:00:00. > :00:00.Scotland's councils are warned they face unprecedented sanctions if they
:00:00. > :00:31.Deadlock over budget cuts, councils stand to lose millions more
:00:32. > :00:37.A penny for education, how will the Lib Dems' big idea go
:00:38. > :00:52.And will new marine conservation plans cost fishermen their jobs?
:00:53. > :00:56.Relations between some of Scotland's councils and the Scottish Government
:00:57. > :00:59.are at rock bottom after what has been described as a draconian budget
:01:00. > :01:03.deal. Councils have been given extra time to consider the offer but face
:01:04. > :01:07.tough financial penalties if they choose to reject it and break the
:01:08. > :01:12.council tax freeze. Scotland's biggest local authority, Glasgow,
:01:13. > :01:16.needs to make ?133 million of cuts over the next two years. But even a
:01:17. > :01:24.huge hike in council tax of 20% would raise just ?37 million pounds
:01:25. > :01:28.after government penalties were deducted. The leader of Glasgow City
:01:29. > :01:37.Council Frank McAveety is with me now.
:01:38. > :01:43.Explain what penalties you would face if you decided to try and
:01:44. > :01:48.mitigate the spending cuts you need to make by breaking the council tax
:01:49. > :01:51.freeze. The absurdity we now have in local government funding is that
:01:52. > :01:56.even if we wanted to increase the council tax we would have to put it
:01:57. > :01:59.up by a substantial sum even to meet the penalty that we would have for
:02:00. > :02:05.putting it out so in this mad bind where the idea of local politicians
:02:06. > :02:07.making decisions based for the localities is not even being
:02:08. > :02:12.considered but on top of that we have had the unprecedented letter
:02:13. > :02:17.today issued to local authorities said if we don't meet their criteria
:02:18. > :02:24.for accepting the deal there will be even more punitive penalties and an
:02:25. > :02:28.approximate assessment from the would-be 40 million extra would have
:02:29. > :02:30.to be taken from Glasgow's budget if we don't sign up and that is
:02:31. > :02:36.unacceptable in Scottish Parliament in this day and age with this level
:02:37. > :02:41.of democratic electric politicians being told what to do by others. You
:02:42. > :02:46.would lose the money for integrated social care and the money for pupil
:02:47. > :02:49.teacher ratios. We are two banisters, the first madness is if
:02:50. > :02:55.we don't sign up to the deal we automatically would lose and social
:02:56. > :03:00.care money and teacher numbers and money for the council tax freeze.
:03:01. > :03:04.Even if we make genuine efforts to try and address those things we
:03:05. > :03:07.finance minister is also telling us they would still be punitive if we
:03:08. > :03:13.don't fulfil those obligations. This is miles away from what we are told
:03:14. > :03:17.seven or eight years ago of parity between Scottish local government
:03:18. > :03:21.and local government and the idea that we are in partnership. It's not
:03:22. > :03:25.partnership on one side of the partnership is holding a gun to our
:03:26. > :03:30.heads. The Scottish Government was elected on a policy of maintaining a
:03:31. > :03:34.council tax freeze for the whole of the parliament so they're delivering
:03:35. > :03:39.on that policy. A lot of atrocities were committed to a council tax
:03:40. > :03:43.freeze. Glasgow has committed ourselves to the five-year council
:03:44. > :03:48.tax freeze. And Scottish Labour supported. The debate is an easily
:03:49. > :03:52.properly funded and the slow the bait about that but the second is it
:03:53. > :03:56.should be made locally and that's what's missing from the debate is
:03:57. > :04:00.that where is the democratic mechanism? There any other things
:04:01. > :04:06.that concerned about is the last few days but fundamentally the situation
:04:07. > :04:09.we are in where many sit services are facing budget reductions which
:04:10. > :04:13.will impact people's lives. We got go on like this and the finance
:04:14. > :04:16.minister needs to listen to what local government is saying. Tough
:04:17. > :04:19.times what everybody, will you not have to change the way you do things
:04:20. > :04:24.that the council? We have been changing for years, we even
:04:25. > :04:30.accounted for 2% reduction in our budget, with embassies and expected
:04:31. > :04:33.4% plus cut in our budget and local government has taken a larger share
:04:34. > :04:36.of budget reductions than the Scottish Government has received
:04:37. > :04:40.from the UK Government so we can't hide behind this. It's tough times!
:04:41. > :04:45.When not daft, we know it's tough but give us time and that is what
:04:46. > :04:52.local government is saying and the finance minister is not listening.
:04:53. > :04:55.You when slapped 20% and council tax bills in Glasgow but there is
:04:56. > :04:59.another option, you could refuse to set a budget. We need to discuss
:05:00. > :05:02.that along with colleagues in Scottish local government. You're
:05:03. > :05:07.not ruling it out. We shouldn't rule anything out because we are at an
:05:08. > :05:09.unprecedented level in the way in which the Scottish Government is
:05:10. > :05:13.treating local government and in terms of the increase suggestions
:05:14. > :05:18.and so one even if we wanted to we need to put up such A-levels are
:05:19. > :05:24.even the cuts. In the last three months alone, Ivan covered 30
:05:25. > :05:27.million more cuts to Glasgow than I was aware of so that's 30 million
:05:28. > :05:31.more than people of Glasgow have to find the next two years. That money
:05:32. > :05:34.and services and people will be victims in that. You have been given
:05:35. > :05:39.extra time by the Scottish Government to consider this deal but
:05:40. > :05:41.where do you think it will" should mark the finance minister delayed
:05:42. > :05:47.his announcement in Parliament before Christmas so there has been a
:05:48. > :05:50.delay. We have said were not happy with the proposals and were in
:05:51. > :05:55.discussions with local government but he won't even talk to those for
:05:56. > :05:57.councils that are part of the Scottish local government
:05:58. > :06:02.partnership. 27% of Scottish population. This is how daft it has
:06:03. > :06:04.become and the finance minister bears the responsible to. Thank you.
:06:05. > :06:06.Politicians are often criticised for failing to come up with big
:06:07. > :06:11.ideas but ahead of May's Scottish Parliament election the main parties
:06:12. > :06:13.have set their sights on improving education.
:06:14. > :06:17.They've even been honest about how some of it will be paid for -
:06:18. > :06:22.So what exactly do each of the parties want to do
:06:23. > :06:25.and will their policies prove to be vote winners?
:06:26. > :06:35.In just a few months, the Scottish election will be upon us. All the
:06:36. > :06:38.All the parties will be asking for your vote and this time
:06:39. > :06:42.For some time, our politicians have been talking about how to close
:06:43. > :06:45.what's known as the attainment gap, that's the difference between how
:06:46. > :06:49.well kids from the most and least deprived areas do at school.
:06:50. > :06:52.As the May election approaches, we now have a better idea of how
:06:53. > :06:58.Today, the Liberal Democrats set out their stall.
:06:59. > :07:02.They want to put up income tax rates by 1p, which they say will raise
:07:03. > :07:08.?475 million to support children from more deprived backgrounds.
:07:09. > :07:12.Announcing the policy, party leader Willie Rennie says
:07:13. > :07:20.things can be done much better than they are at the moment.
:07:21. > :07:27.The SNP are imposing disproportionate cuts and and
:07:28. > :07:30.schools. They are failing to deliver and university education is we need
:07:31. > :07:33.that extra investment. It is an urgent investment that is needed
:07:34. > :07:35.right now and we have this bold offer to have a transformation
:07:36. > :07:37.affect on education. Labour's Fair Start fund would see
:07:38. > :07:41.primary schools get ?1,000 for every child from a deprived background,
:07:42. > :07:46.paid for by increasing the top rate of tax to 50p for those
:07:47. > :07:53.earning more than ?150,000. And the Conservatives also
:07:54. > :07:56.want to target individual pupils. They say the Scottish government's
:07:57. > :08:00.?100 million fund which targets pupils in the most deprived local
:08:01. > :08:04.authority areas needs to be made available to anyone
:08:05. > :08:09.across Scotland who needs it. And what about the SNP
:08:10. > :08:12.government itself? On top of that ?100 million fund,
:08:13. > :08:16.ministers also want to drive up attainment with plans
:08:17. > :08:21.for standardised testing in schools. But there are no tax rises
:08:22. > :08:25.on the horizon for the SNP, which today attacked
:08:26. > :08:35.the Liberal Democrats proposals. The blunt instrument they are using
:08:36. > :08:41.it effectively going to affect poor households in Scotland and that is
:08:42. > :08:46.the worry. Talking about trying to... The poorest families of the
:08:47. > :08:49.ones having problems and they have less money in their pocket is not
:08:50. > :08:51.going to make it any easier for them to get over the challenge.
:08:52. > :08:57.The question now is - will committing to a tax rise really
:08:58. > :08:59.win them a pass mark from the voters?
:09:00. > :09:01.In our Edinburgh studio I am now joined by Willie Rennie, the
:09:02. > :09:16.Are you on to a winner? You think Scottish voters will vote for a tax
:09:17. > :09:22.hike? The priority is to invest in education in Scotland. They have
:09:23. > :09:27.seen disproportionate cuts to our colleges with 152,000 places lost.
:09:28. > :09:33.We've seen a big impact on school budgets with ?500 million worth of
:09:34. > :09:40.cuts to councils. We have also seen the nursery and spank chimp --
:09:41. > :09:45.nursery expansion programme cut. There is no point putting forward a
:09:46. > :09:49.proposal if people won't go for it. If their appetite for it? We have.
:09:50. > :09:57.What we have shown is that extra penny investment world liver ?475
:09:58. > :10:01.million worth of investment. It is a big return to make a transformation
:10:02. > :10:04.effect on education in Scotland and it protects those on the lowest
:10:05. > :10:08.incomes because Liberal Democrats in government for four years of five
:10:09. > :10:12.years in Westminster cut taxes for those on low and middle incomes.
:10:13. > :10:16.That means it is possible to make this change without hitting those
:10:17. > :10:22.people on low incomes that George Adams has been talking about. People
:10:23. > :10:26.still are quite modest incomes are dead pay this extra penny the same
:10:27. > :10:34.as the very wealthy. It's a very small increase. Somebody and median
:10:35. > :10:39.wages of around 21 or ?22,000 will actually pay far far less than
:10:40. > :10:44.somebody and ?60,000. Summary and ?60,000 will pay 30 times more than
:10:45. > :10:50.the person on a median wage. Voters will go for this, then? The most
:10:51. > :10:54.important priority is investing in education so we can keep that
:10:55. > :11:01.transformational effect. Unless people vote rate than you could say
:11:02. > :11:04.anything. If you look back to the 90s and early 2000 is, we had a
:11:05. > :11:09.policy of a penny on tax for education and other important time
:11:10. > :11:11.for investing in education and that was proven popular for the Liberal
:11:12. > :11:18.Democrats at that time because it was jargon, hype the cake to,
:11:19. > :11:21.investigated in a particular area, voters could see what they were
:11:22. > :11:25.getting in return for the penny. If we are asking people for paying more
:11:26. > :11:29.money they want to know where it will go. What about the return
:11:30. > :11:34.because the people premium has been running for a few years in England
:11:35. > :11:40.but the evidence is patchy, that some schools still have a long way
:11:41. > :11:47.to go in closing the attainment gap. In primary schools between 2011 and
:11:48. > :11:53.2014, the attainment gap dropped by 4.7% which is significant and has
:11:54. > :11:57.been praised by stared and the National Audit Office. The Sutton
:11:58. > :12:03.trust report said some schools have closed the gap but many still have a
:12:04. > :12:07.long way to go. This long-term project but it is a transformational
:12:08. > :12:11.project. The Sutton trust recommends PB people premium be continued
:12:12. > :12:16.because they have so much confidence in it. I think that is a great mark
:12:17. > :12:19.of confidence for this policy but that combined with nursery education
:12:20. > :12:26.expansion, a reparation for the college cuts to reverse the cuts
:12:27. > :12:30.imposed on places by the SNP but also the schools cuts which are
:12:31. > :12:33.coming to. That is a big package so voters will see a return on their
:12:34. > :12:36.investment which will be a good return and I think will not just be
:12:37. > :12:42.good for the kids who will benefit from it but also from the economy
:12:43. > :12:45.cars we can fill those skills shortages, the skill gaps that are
:12:46. > :12:48.desperately needed to be filled, industry is crying out for that,
:12:49. > :12:53.they want this a good investment and so do we.
:12:54. > :12:55.MSPs have rejected an attempt to stop planned environmental
:12:56. > :12:59.Outside Holyrood, there were angry protests by west coast fishermen
:13:00. > :13:02.who say the Scottish Government's plans for a network of marine
:13:03. > :13:05.protected areas will wipe out scallop dredging
:13:06. > :13:15.Our environment correspondent David Miller has more.
:13:16. > :13:25.Storm bound in the harbour and skipper James is checking his nets.
:13:26. > :13:30.A fourth-generation fishermen, James has been in the industry for 26
:13:31. > :13:35.years now. He fears for the future. He is worried about a new marine
:13:36. > :13:40.protected area south of the Isle of Arran just a few miles away across
:13:41. > :13:45.the waters of the Firth of Clyde. The governance on advisers didn't
:13:46. > :13:51.even recommend it was needed to be such an area. The recommendations of
:13:52. > :13:59.that they came out with which had been over consulted for four years
:14:00. > :14:07.did not go to the lengths that the Minister has. The area that has been
:14:08. > :14:13.proposed could equate to 50% of my business, 50% decrease in landings.
:14:14. > :14:16.50% decrease in earnings. The Clyde fishermen 's Association has been
:14:17. > :14:21.the forefront of all conservation measures in the Clyde for years, 30
:14:22. > :14:26.years. 30 years ago, they brought other weekend ban to conserve
:14:27. > :14:34.stocks, we've had cod recovery zones, areas shut, we are not
:14:35. > :14:39.against conservation. Protesters travelled to the Scottish Parliament
:14:40. > :14:43.from Ayrshire, Argyll and Lochaber. At one stage a smoke canister was
:14:44. > :14:46.lit before being quickly extinguished following a well-placed
:14:47. > :14:52.kick from a police officer here to ensure the demonstration didn't get
:14:53. > :14:55.out of hand. Supporters of the new conservation measures were also at
:14:56. > :15:00.the Parliament that they were heavily outnumbered. This has proved
:15:01. > :15:06.to be an increasingly bitter and divisive debate with strong views
:15:07. > :15:09.being expressed on both sides and today it's is Holyrood rule affairs
:15:10. > :15:15.committee which is found itself at the centre of the storm.
:15:16. > :15:23.You have a chance that to indicate whether you intend to press or
:15:24. > :15:27.withdraw your motion. Thank you. I am honorary president. The committee
:15:28. > :15:33.rejected a plea from Conservative MSP Jamie McGregor to scrap the
:15:34. > :15:38.planned fishing restrictions after hearing from Cabinet Secretary
:15:39. > :15:43.Richard Lochhead. The fishing sector is one of many voices in the debate.
:15:44. > :15:51.I also have to listen to other parts of the fishing industry, as well as
:15:52. > :15:54.many other sectors with an interest in this debate, and people living in
:15:55. > :15:59.the communities in the west of Scotland. Mr Lochhead also
:16:00. > :16:02.highlighted concerns that some people in fishing communities have
:16:03. > :16:08.been silenced, left afraid to speak out. This is a passionate debate.
:16:09. > :16:13.Many have spoken to me who have said they are too scared to speak out
:16:14. > :16:18.publicly or make their views known. That is a sad state of affairs.
:16:19. > :16:23.Campaigners who back marine protected areas claimed the support
:16:24. > :16:29.of krill fishermen and anglers. The 70% reduction in commercial fishing
:16:30. > :16:40.since 1984, we have seen in the Clyde a 90% reduction in angling. We
:16:41. > :16:44.feel we will start to increase the problem and the resilience of the
:16:45. > :16:48.fishing industry. The fight over the future of Scotland's sees is far
:16:49. > :16:51.from over. Expect to hear much more on the marine protected area debate
:16:52. > :16:52.in the months and perhaps years ahead.
:16:53. > :16:55.I am now joined by Bertie Armstrong, Chief Executive of the Scottish
:16:56. > :16:57.Fishermen's Federation, from our Aberdeen studio and in Edinburgh is
:16:58. > :17:00.Calum Duncan, who is the Head of Conservation Scotland from the
:17:01. > :17:16.Bertie Armstrong, you say you are not against marine protected areas
:17:17. > :17:23.in principle, so why, in the Firth of Clyde? And opportunity is being
:17:24. > :17:28.thrown away here. I am saddened by the Cabinet Secretary's comments. We
:17:29. > :17:33.are not against Marine protected areas and never have been. We are
:17:34. > :17:39.for properly evidenced measures of management. The Scottish
:17:40. > :17:45.Government's own nature adviser made recommendations on how to meet the
:17:46. > :17:49.conservation requirements. Those have been grossly overreached to the
:17:50. > :17:55.point of ignoring the minister's other statutory requirement, which
:17:56. > :18:03.is the principle of sustainable use of the sea. Scotland's iconic
:18:04. > :18:08.seafood cannot be displayed by the Cabinet Secretary in a visit to
:18:09. > :18:14.Paris, and then for him to do this gratuitously to the industry. There
:18:15. > :18:25.is no need to do this. The advice was not to do this and was for much
:18:26. > :18:31.lighter touch measures. Calum Duncan, the minister has grossly
:18:32. > :18:34.overreached? We think the measures are proportionate, given the context
:18:35. > :18:41.of ecological decline across Scotland's sees and in the Clyde. I
:18:42. > :18:44.would like to emphasise that this debate does not need to be
:18:45. > :18:51.polarised. We all want healthy seas going forward. We think the measures
:18:52. > :18:56.in many instances were as expected and in others, there were
:18:57. > :19:09.compromises. South Aaron was mentioned. There are lots of
:19:10. > :19:14.opportunities going forward. These marine protected areas also provide
:19:15. > :19:18.new ground for other forms of fishing, no impact forms such as
:19:19. > :19:23.hand diving, which can deliver benefits as well. But it is
:19:24. > :19:28.important to point out that rigorous economic analysis has shown the
:19:29. > :19:32.modest impact of this. We support the measures the government have put
:19:33. > :19:36.in place to help support those fisheries in transition. Broadly,
:19:37. > :20:08.the package of fisheries in transition. Broadly,
:20:09. > :20:12.we have done in other areas. The creation of mphs for the protection
:20:13. > :20:17.of features. They are not a catchall. You heard one of the
:20:18. > :20:20.fishermen describing the other things going on in the Clyde to
:20:21. > :21:52.recover the area. There was a 50% things going on in the Clyde to
:21:53. > :21:58.proposed for South Arran, which the committee overwhelmingly voted in
:21:59. > :22:03.favour of the Marine conservation order for Arran, they would still
:22:04. > :22:08.allow scallop dredging of 81% of the scallop grounds in the Clyde. We are
:22:09. > :22:17.not talking about replacing dredging with hand diving. I am afraid out of
:22:18. > :22:19.time. We have to leave it there. I am sure we will come back to this
:22:20. > :22:21.subject. Thanks you for joining us. The Prime Minister has dropped
:22:22. > :22:24.a heavy hint that the UK government will announce further financial aid
:22:25. > :22:27.to help the North Sea oil Speaking at Prime Minister's
:22:28. > :22:33.questions, David Cameron said extra help had been given to the industry
:22:34. > :22:36.and that he would be travelling to Aberdeen tomorow when a further
:22:37. > :22:49.announcement would be made. The North Sea oil and gas industry,
:22:50. > :22:52.on which many people in my Waveney constituency are dependent for their
:22:53. > :22:58.livelihoods, is facing serious challenges. The government has taken
:22:59. > :23:03.steps to address the situation, but more is required if the industry is
:23:04. > :23:07.first to survive, and then to thrive . Will my right honourable friend
:23:08. > :23:12.assure me that he recognises the seriousness of the situation, and he
:23:13. > :23:17.will do all he can to get the industry through these difficult
:23:18. > :23:22.times? My honourable friend is right to raise this. I do recognise the
:23:23. > :23:25.seriousness of the situation. The oil price decline is the longer
:23:26. > :23:29.sting 20 years and nearly the steepest, which causes real
:23:30. > :23:33.difficulties for the North Sea. We can see the effects in the east of
:23:34. > :23:37.England and across Scotland, particularly in Aberdeen, and in
:23:38. > :23:40.other parts of the country. I am determined that we build a bridge to
:23:41. > :23:44.the future for all those involved in the North Sea. We will help the
:23:45. > :23:50.sector export its world-class expertise. We will help the economy
:23:51. > :23:54.is diversify. We have announced 1.3 billion of support last year for the
:23:55. > :23:58.North Sea. I will go to Aberdeen tomorrow, where we will say more on
:23:59. > :24:00.what we can do to help this vital industry at this vital time.
:24:01. > :24:04.Joining me now to discuss some of today's news is Zara Kitson, who is
:24:05. > :24:07.a candidate for the Scottish Greens, and Simon Pia, the former Scottish
:24:08. > :24:17.The Prime Minister will be in Aberdeen tomorrow. What do you think
:24:18. > :24:24.we can expect from his visit? I think we can expect more of the
:24:25. > :24:31.same. Communities are suffering already, and it is high time we had
:24:32. > :24:34.David Cameron and our other political leaders taking the issue
:24:35. > :24:39.of the decline of North Sea oil seriously. For one, it is a fossil
:24:40. > :24:43.fuel and it is coming to an end, which we have known for a long time.
:24:44. > :24:46.We should not be bringing it out of the ground, because it is leading to
:24:47. > :24:54.irreversible climate change. But in the here and now, they need help.
:24:55. > :25:00.They do need help, and that help needs to come through diversifying
:25:01. > :25:03.the industry and investing in infrastructure and transferring the
:25:04. > :25:07.skills so that we are not just pouring more money into a dead-end
:25:08. > :25:11.economy that will do nothing for the communities in the long term or in
:25:12. > :25:17.the short term. It is just going to fail Scotland and the UK. Is it a
:25:18. > :25:21.dead-end economy, Simon, managing the decline? I don't think it is as
:25:22. > :25:25.simple as that. I did not see Cameron rushing off to Port Talbot
:25:26. > :25:32.or Linux with Tata Steel, but there is obviously big political pressure.
:25:33. > :25:37.And oil is important for the UK economy and has been for the last 30
:25:38. > :25:42.or 40 years. But it is interesting that David Mundell is going to
:25:43. > :25:46.Mozambique next month. I have a friend who went to the Gulf of
:25:47. > :25:52.Mexico to work on plugging the big BP oil leak. So there are these
:25:53. > :25:56.skills, but they have been caught on the hop. I don't know what will be
:25:57. > :25:59.produced out of a hat. He is under pressure from the Scottish
:26:00. > :26:04.Government, because they have already put in their pitch to give
:26:05. > :26:07.tax breaks to the oil industry. But this goes right against Osborne's
:26:08. > :26:13.noninterventionist policies on the economy. You could argue that this
:26:14. > :26:17.government is even more Thatcherite than Margaret Thatcher.
:26:18. > :26:23.Let's stick with Prime Minister's Questions. Cameron raised a few
:26:24. > :26:28.questions with his choice of words. The Shadow Chancellor is pointing.
:26:29. > :26:32.The idea that those two right honourable gentleman would stand up
:26:33. > :26:35.to anyone in this regard is laughable. Look at their record over
:26:36. > :26:39.the last week. They met the unions and gave them flying pickets. They
:26:40. > :26:43.met the Argentinians and gave them the Falkland Islands. They met a
:26:44. > :26:47.bunch of migrants in Calais and said they could all come to Britain. The
:26:48. > :26:48.only people they never stand up for the
:26:49. > :26:57.British people and hard-working taxpayers. What did you make of his
:26:58. > :27:03.choice of words? I thought it was disgusting. "A Bunch of migrants"
:27:04. > :27:07.totally trivialises the humanitarian crisis and it is devaluing human
:27:08. > :27:12.beings. We are talking about children and families fleeing
:27:13. > :27:17.violence and they need a place to call their home. A bunch of migrants
:27:18. > :27:20.is totally disrespectful. Today's holocaust Memorial Day. For a Prime
:27:21. > :27:27.Minister to come out with that kind of language regardless of whether it
:27:28. > :27:35.was a distraction tactic, is irrelevant. Was it deliberate? If it
:27:36. > :27:41.was, that is even more disgusting. Well talking about people's lives
:27:42. > :27:48.here. People need to come together to solve this cross party. It is
:27:49. > :27:50.good that we have that kind of support in the Scottish Parliament,
:27:51. > :27:57.because we don't see that kind of rhetoric. It was not a well played
:27:58. > :28:04.card, regardless of whether he meant to play or not. It wasn't
:28:05. > :28:08.off-the-cuff. Anybody who has worked in politics and political speech
:28:09. > :28:13.writing, it goes back to oratory. This goes back to Cicero, the power
:28:14. > :28:19.of three, and all the great political figures from Church of the
:28:20. > :28:26.Obama use that trope. He mentioned first that he met the unions, the
:28:27. > :28:31.limit Argentina, then he met a bunch of immigrants and said they could
:28:32. > :28:37.come to Britain. That was scripted. I think Alex Salmond commented on
:28:38. > :28:43.it. And Alex Salmond if somebody who, they all work hard on PMQs Tom
:28:44. > :28:46.and that was not a mistake. But it is interesting. I think he was
:28:47. > :28:52.pressing certain buttons with the Tory right. I believe he is also one
:28:53. > :29:01.of the most cynical politicians. I tweeted about him yesterday, saying
:29:02. > :29:05.before this that Cameron's Toryism is short-term, shallow, cynical and
:29:06. > :29:09.elitist. And it will ensure the end of the union not just with Scotland,
:29:10. > :29:15.but probably Europe. The mask slip to. He has a touch of the Flashman
:29:16. > :29:24.bully. He looked a bit rattled. Did you think so? Yes. He did. It is
:29:25. > :29:30.good that he looked rattled, because he needs to be rattled. It was good
:29:31. > :29:34.that Jeremy Corbyn challenged him on other things such as Google tax and
:29:35. > :29:38.the multinationals, because people are angry across the country. That
:29:39. > :29:46.is what opposition leaders are there to do, hold our government to
:29:47. > :29:47.account. We have to leave it there. Thank you to both of you for coming
:29:48. > :29:49.in. That's it for tonight. Thanks for
:29:50. > :29:53.watching. I'm back same time