:00:00. > :00:00.The battle lines are drawn, unlikely alliances formed,
:00:00. > :00:27.As the budget was debated, Holyrood was divided.
:00:28. > :00:37.To tax or not to tax, as tempers flared over proposed cuts.
:00:38. > :00:42.It's fairly simple. How can you protect our income when they don't
:00:43. > :00:47.have a job? This is the government that given the public guarantee of
:00:48. > :00:50.no compulsory redundancies, that's not been delivered to the country.
:00:51. > :00:53.Cameron faces questions in the Commons on his Europe deal.
:00:54. > :00:55.It makes Britain better and stronger, he says,
:00:56. > :00:56.to much sniping from the Tory backbenches.
:00:57. > :01:07.Why the Hebridean launch went un-noticed.
:01:08. > :01:13."Tax doesn't have to be taxing" said one advert from the Revenue,
:01:14. > :01:17.but the issue weighed heavily on our MSPs this afternoon
:01:18. > :01:21.John Swinney, of course, rejected calls from Labour
:01:22. > :01:24.and the Lib Dems to raise income tax by one penny
:01:25. > :01:29.He said he was giving low paid workers a pay rise,
:01:30. > :01:38.but the Conservatives were delighted about his stance on tax.
:01:39. > :01:45.Penny for your thoughts? Unions protested about the budget
:01:46. > :01:49.settlement outside Parliament. Inside, the finance secretary
:01:50. > :01:54.defended his plans, in the wake of what he called Westminster cuts, as
:01:55. > :01:59.he sought to protect incomes. The proposals to raise income tax by 1p
:02:00. > :02:02.next year will hit those taxpayers least able to pay. Of course it
:02:03. > :02:11.will, it puts up tax or the lowest paid people in our society. John
:02:12. > :02:14.Swinney also said he was raising the wage for some 50,000 workers, but
:02:15. > :02:18.Labour said his cuts would cost people dear. It's fairly simple. How
:02:19. > :02:24.can you protect our income when they don't have a job? This is the
:02:25. > :02:28.government that given... Of no compulsory redundancies, that's been
:02:29. > :02:32.delivered to the people of this country. The labour theme was
:02:33. > :02:37.developed by their finance spokesperson. Let's use the powers
:02:38. > :02:41.we have is faced with the choice of using our powers to invest in the
:02:42. > :02:50.future of Scotland, or continuing Tory austerity, because that is what
:02:51. > :02:59.doing. Labour kept insisting the ?100 rebate for tax earners was
:03:00. > :03:03.viable. Conservatives said they stood shoulder to shoulder with SNP
:03:04. > :03:06.against the so-called tax grabbers. To coin a phrase, Presiding Officer,
:03:07. > :03:13.we are happy to be better together with the SNP on this issue. In the
:03:14. > :03:21.words of one tax grab, the Liberal Democrats said was this minute --
:03:22. > :03:27.said Mr Swinney didn't blame Westminster any more. Every single
:03:28. > :03:31.cost is a John Swinney cut, he cannot shun this, he cannot want
:03:32. > :03:39.anywhere else, any more. The Greens Patrick Harvie picked up partly on
:03:40. > :03:47.Mr Rennie's line of argument. Blaming a UK Government which is to
:03:48. > :03:52.be fair for the deeply damaging acts it is dating, it is simply not
:03:53. > :03:56.enough just to blame. Labour's amendment to introduce the penny
:03:57. > :03:57.increase to the budget was of course dropped but this argument will
:03:58. > :03:59.dominate the election campaign. So in our Edinburgh studio,
:04:00. > :04:02.I'm joined by a couple Lynsey Bews who writes
:04:03. > :04:05.for The Press Association, and Severin Carrell
:04:06. > :04:13.from The Guardian. Good evening to both of you.
:04:14. > :04:15.Lindsay, to you first of all. It seems the parties are taking very
:04:16. > :04:22.clear distinct dances, this time round. Yes, certainly. This budget
:04:23. > :04:27.debates today felt like a warm up act for the election, with the
:04:28. > :04:30.parties setting out their stalls on taxation. Labour and the Liberal
:04:31. > :04:37.Democrats making a very clear pledge that they are going to add 1p on to
:04:38. > :04:40.the rate of income tax. In a way it is easier for them to put that
:04:41. > :04:44.proposal forward because Labour already knows that they are very far
:04:45. > :04:47.behind in the polls, they have, it is very unlikely they are going to
:04:48. > :04:50.be elected into government so it is almost easier for them to make that
:04:51. > :04:54.pledge and to create this perception that they are the party that is
:04:55. > :05:00.going to win over some left-wing voters with a pledge on taxation.
:05:01. > :05:06.And Severin, as Lindsay has pointed out, Lib Dems are facing a terribly
:05:07. > :05:13.difficult election. Is this just a last-gasp attempt at gaining some
:05:14. > :05:17.traction? No was a thing for both of them, and indeed the Tories, I think
:05:18. > :05:22.is an important moment for them because it allows them to shake off
:05:23. > :05:27.and put back in the past the constitutional debate. They wants
:05:28. > :05:28.and put back in the past the move back onto the agenda of what
:05:29. > :05:33.Parliament is actually there to deliver. Talking about the new
:05:34. > :05:38.powers, and starting to reframe Scottish politics, so in essence it
:05:39. > :05:43.is also allowing to adopt what our traditional roles in old politics,
:05:44. > :05:46.if you like. Labour to the left, the SNP, Tories to the right and Lib
:05:47. > :05:53.Dems somewhere around the middle. Kezia Dugdale, the leader, doesn't
:05:54. > :05:57.think she has a realistic chance of winning in May, but she does think
:05:58. > :06:04.he has to try and rebuild and reinvigorate labourer -- Labour, I
:06:05. > :06:08.ran some clear ideological positions, and taxation in this
:06:09. > :06:24.model is one of those. She was to unite the party, Unite the Lady --
:06:25. > :06:33.unite the labour union. All are not chipping away under the seats that
:06:34. > :06:36.they need, they need to save the odd constituency here or there. How this
:06:37. > :06:41.impact on voters, then, as some people have seen suggesting that it
:06:42. > :06:46.perhaps will mean Labour would be able to attract people across the
:06:47. > :06:53.union divide, as it were, people who are pro-SNP, but attracted to
:06:54. > :06:58.left-wing policy. I think it is interesting. There is certainly an
:06:59. > :07:05.impetus from the Unionist parties did get the agenda back onto left
:07:06. > :07:09.and right politics, and shake off this debate on Constitution, but I'm
:07:10. > :07:14.just not sure that that's going to be entirely possible. I think that
:07:15. > :07:18.the SNB has this core support, I think that that battle ground for
:07:19. > :07:21.the left wing supporters isn't necessarily there any more for
:07:22. > :07:25.Labour to fight over, I think that the constitution is still going to
:07:26. > :07:28.be a big issue in this election, and I think Labour is going to find it
:07:29. > :07:33.very hard to persuade voters to come back to them when we know that
:07:34. > :07:40.voters actually don't really go for tax riders, most of them don't want
:07:41. > :07:50.to pay more tax. So I suppose these strategy for the Labour and Lib Dems
:07:51. > :07:53.is to better picture being better together. Is there pressure on the
:07:54. > :08:29.SNP, or can they together. Is there pressure on the
:08:30. > :08:34.because they have the space in the media to be able to set out their
:08:35. > :08:38.stalls and positions, but they know fine well that John Swinney Nicola
:08:39. > :08:41.Sturgeon are extremely adroit, clever politicians, and they have
:08:42. > :10:16.the might of the Scottish civil service behind them.
:10:17. > :10:18.the might of the Scottish civil three negotiation. In searing that
:10:19. > :10:23.Britain can truly have the best of both worlds. Then, what we will
:10:24. > :10:29.never be. We will never be part of the Euro, never part of Shenzhen,
:10:30. > :10:34.never part of the European army, never forced to bailout the Eurozone
:10:35. > :10:37.new taxpayers money, and never part of a European superstate, that is
:10:38. > :10:42.the prize on offer. Prime ministers questions usually means verbal
:10:43. > :10:47.tennis with the opposition. Today, the long faces and clenched fists
:10:48. > :10:50.were as much from his own party as any other. Jeremy Corbyn seized on
:10:51. > :10:54.this. His negotiation in reality is a Tory party drama that has been
:10:55. > :11:00.played about in front of us as we see at the moment. The Labour Party
:11:01. > :11:05.is committed to keeping Britain in the European Union. Downing Street
:11:06. > :11:08.says ministers have agreed not to challenge Mr Cameron until he is
:11:09. > :11:14.secured a final deal. The Eurosceptics are hoping to land a
:11:15. > :11:17.big beast. On his way to Parliament Boris Johnson was withering in his
:11:18. > :11:24.praise. I think he's making the best of a bad job, most people are
:11:25. > :11:29.looking at this and thinking there's a lot more to do. The first
:11:30. > :11:31.ministers of Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland have lived in a
:11:32. > :11:36.joint letter to David Cameron calling on him not to hold the
:11:37. > :11:40.referendum in June. They hold that holding it so close to elections in
:11:41. > :11:44.those three countries would risk of using issues. Angus Robertson break
:11:45. > :11:47.that this morning. Today, the first ministers of Scotland Wales and
:11:48. > :11:51.Northern Ireland have jointly called for a commitment by the UK
:11:52. > :11:54.Government not to hold the EU referendum in June which would clash
:11:55. > :11:58.with elections to the devolved legislatures. Would-be Prime
:11:59. > :12:06.Minister give that commitments today to mark no date has yet been fixed
:12:07. > :12:11.for the referendum. At Strasbourg, most leaders felt they were better
:12:12. > :12:18.united. Don't forget what we really achieved, where we are. Looking to
:12:19. > :12:24.the Minsk agreement, looking into the Iraq deal, the climate deal we
:12:25. > :12:31.achieved in Paris recently. So the European strength is visible again
:12:32. > :12:33.and again. This is all leading up to crunch time, the summit in Brussels
:12:34. > :12:35.on the 18th and 19th of February. Now with me for the Stronger In
:12:36. > :12:39.campaign is John Edward. And in London, the Scottish
:12:40. > :12:51.organiser of Labour Leave, Good evening to both of you, thank
:12:52. > :12:58.you for joining us. To you, John, we're hearing from Jacob Rees Mogg,
:12:59. > :13:03." thin gruel waters down even more." Why would people vote for this?
:13:04. > :13:08.Remember people won't be voting for this, they will be voting for remain
:13:09. > :13:12.or leave. The negotiation is something that the Conservative
:13:13. > :13:15.Party wanted to do and they think they have got their four key points
:13:16. > :13:18.Party wanted to do and they think but our point for the broader
:13:19. > :13:22.campaign is that may convince you one way or another, but there is a
:13:23. > :13:28.whole lot more that we can be doing with Europe if we stay in. The big
:13:29. > :13:32.question is the unknown quantity that lies outside which we haven't
:13:33. > :13:34.even heard about. Is this not the fundamental argument, this
:13:35. > :13:38.renegotiation, changing our relationship with Europe, because we
:13:39. > :13:41.are pretty much well aware of what Europe does, but David Cameron is
:13:42. > :13:47.trying to say look, we can get a better deal. Surely it is important?
:13:48. > :13:49.It is important, and people worry about political integration, and
:13:50. > :13:55.they will seemed the reports that it is very clear ever closer union will
:13:56. > :13:58.not lead to better political integration. They will see what it
:13:59. > :14:02.says about red tape and they will see about those countries in the
:14:03. > :14:05.Euro being protected from bailouts and things like this, so if that's
:14:06. > :14:10.what matters to them then great, but there is so much more in terms of
:14:11. > :14:16.security, safety, prosperity, that Europe is about which is what we
:14:17. > :14:19.will actually be voting on the referendum there is a long list of
:14:20. > :14:28.why the UK should stay in the European Union adding on to what the
:14:29. > :14:33.Prime Minister has renegotiated. I'm afraid we are handing over to much
:14:34. > :14:37.money to Brussels, ?19 billion per year. It is important that we retain
:14:38. > :14:42.that money and use it effectively, for agricultural, fishing and
:14:43. > :14:46.manufacturing communities. Is what do you make of the negotiation,
:14:47. > :14:50.though? Before, he was going to Brussels, did you think he was going
:14:51. > :15:01.to get something that would change your mind? The you getting the
:15:02. > :15:07.reforms at all. We are getting very limited reforms and it looks like a
:15:08. > :15:11.very thin gruel on the benefits that we are promised and in fact, none of
:15:12. > :15:14.those sweeping reforms are necessary. And it is quite wrong
:15:15. > :15:16.that we are promised and in fact, none of those sweeping reforms are
:15:17. > :15:18.necessary. And it is quite wrong doesn't allow the common
:15:19. > :15:20.agricultural policy, which is not allowed to help farmers in their
:15:21. > :15:24.time of need with the floods, neither help given at the British
:15:25. > :15:28.Government will be you, they have put their own insurers. It is quite
:15:29. > :15:32.and it is gobbling up 40% of the Budget and ?43 billion a year. I've
:15:33. > :15:36.been hearing that is going to be reformed for the past 40 years or
:15:37. > :15:41.more. There have been no effective reforms. We hear that things are
:15:42. > :15:46.going to be reformed, perhaps things don't really change and it comes to
:15:47. > :15:52.the UK's sovereign at it, a of ordinary voters think, well, we want
:15:53. > :15:57.our and the sovereign. The trouble is, I think, is we don't talk about
:15:58. > :16:01.this enough. The fact there have been no reformer after multi-annual
:16:02. > :16:06.programme of the last decade just shows how little the actual
:16:07. > :16:13.concentrate on the details. S what about the other farmers? It is all
:16:14. > :16:16.very well to dismiss these negotiations, but they did well,
:16:17. > :16:21.last year all four things delivered yesterday. So where we are, we have
:16:22. > :16:25.this package, that is the trigger for the referendum, so let us talk
:16:26. > :16:28.about the big issues that are all around Europe. Of course there the
:16:29. > :16:32.contribution that every member state makes to Europe, the contribution
:16:33. > :16:34.limit to local governor, Scottish polymer, Westminster as well, and
:16:35. > :16:38.other questions will point of that money is. The world is a combo plate
:16:39. > :16:42.and difficult from Taylor's place and we have to make sure our
:16:43. > :16:46.influences are the strongest possible at every possible level.
:16:47. > :16:49.Looking at that point, taking on the big picture, we have in these
:16:50. > :16:52.debates and discussions about technical ordinance, but John is
:16:53. > :16:56.saying there are bigger things at stake here when it comes to
:16:57. > :17:02.agreements. We don't know what might happen if we leave the EU? In terms
:17:03. > :17:06.of trade, are expanding trade has very much been outside be you. It
:17:07. > :17:13.has been stagnating. We used eggs for more than 50% of all goods to
:17:14. > :17:17.Europe, to the EU and now it is down to 43%. We have a trade deficit of
:17:18. > :17:22.about ?62 billion with Europe and with a rest of the world we have
:17:23. > :17:26.about ?62 billion with Europe and trade surplus of 27 billion. So
:17:27. > :17:30.we're good at creating jobs in exports and exploiting markets that
:17:31. > :17:35.are outside the EU, within the EU, I'm afraid we have a stagnant
:17:36. > :17:40.picture. Of course, far more jobs in the EU are dependent on their
:17:41. > :17:44.exports to the UK. And we are dependent on our exports to them,
:17:45. > :17:47.and that's where there's been a trade retaliation, because European
:17:48. > :17:53.lives, German, French, Italian company is far more than it would UK
:17:54. > :17:56.companies. On the small point of trade, the reason the trade balance
:17:57. > :18:00.with Europe as gun down is because the rest of the world has been
:18:01. > :18:05.developing quicker and the trade we have done with them is growing all
:18:06. > :18:09.the time, but that is stored to say that out of half a billion people,
:18:10. > :18:13.we do half of our trade with Europe and the other six and a half billion
:18:14. > :18:16.of the world we do the other half. So to pretend that somehow Europe is
:18:17. > :18:20.a diminishing market is to completely negate the fact that this
:18:21. > :18:26.is the single biggest trade area and the world. Thank you both very much
:18:27. > :18:29.joining me. -- both very much for joining me.
:18:30. > :18:34.But a rocket from the Hebrides Missile Range in the Western Isles
:18:35. > :18:37.has become the first to be launched into space from UK soil.
:18:38. > :18:39.But the achievement, which happened last year,
:18:40. > :18:53.Our science correspondent Kenneth Macdonald has this report.
:18:54. > :19:00.Not a very big job in itself, but it is the start of a project which has
:19:01. > :19:04.raised a storm for -- far beyond the shores of the Western Isles. In
:19:05. > :19:09.1957, not everybody from the Hebrides Missile Range. It was a
:19:10. > :19:13.great idea, but the UK Government got its way. Almost 60 years later,
:19:14. > :19:17.great idea, but the UK Government last October, it finally took a
:19:18. > :19:20.stall step into space. -- finally took a small step into space. It was
:19:21. > :19:27.a military exercise that made history almost in passing. There was
:19:28. > :19:31.a large naval exercise a run by Nato and is part of that they were doing
:19:32. > :19:36.so much missile intercept operations, so for the first time,
:19:37. > :19:41.they launched a missile from the kinetic operated range and it went
:19:42. > :19:45.up into space. That is the first time any object has gone into space
:19:46. > :19:50.from the UK. And this is what it looked like. But there will be no
:19:51. > :19:54.place in a museum for the American made a rocket, because the point of
:19:55. > :19:58.the exercise was to blow it to bits over the North Atlantic.
:19:59. > :20:02.Nonetheless, a first for the UK and a first for the Hebrides Missile
:20:03. > :20:08.Range. That's when my family crofters, so it would be great to
:20:09. > :20:14.see some real space grub going up into orbit from Scotland. And back
:20:15. > :20:22.and happen soon. Prestwick, Stornoway and Lucas all among sites
:20:23. > :20:25.vying to be the first and would handle horizontal take-offs, so
:20:26. > :20:27.there could be space tourism up planned for the rest of us on earth.
:20:28. > :20:34.People will come to see space launchers. If disabled people go to
:20:35. > :20:35.the rocket launch, well, people go to Cape Canaveral and Roslin New
:20:36. > :20:39.Mexico and look at plastic alien to Cape Canaveral and Roslin New
:20:40. > :20:43.because they are so interested in space. Half a million people go
:20:44. > :20:48.there every year instead of going -- to see a plastic alien. Scotland
:20:49. > :20:53.auditable is five and half thousand mostly highly skilled jobs. The
:20:54. > :20:57.first Scottish built satellite, Ukube-1, went into orbit in 2014
:20:58. > :21:04.from Kazakhstan, so vertical launch site it could bring benefits. It
:21:05. > :21:07.takes a couple of weeks to get into the launch site in South America,
:21:08. > :21:11.then that is a long time. So we can build it in Glasgow and Lorna ships
:21:12. > :21:15.from close by, jump on the car, go to the launch site, put it in the
:21:16. > :21:20.vehicle I get it into space within a couple of days. That way you are
:21:21. > :21:23.really compressing that time. With a new technological types as they
:21:24. > :21:26.should be developed, it means you don't have to find the kind of
:21:27. > :21:30.locations they used to use the desert, because you can actually be
:21:31. > :21:36.less whether dependent than they used to be for big space rockets. So
:21:37. > :21:40.when you have systems like the new system which is a reusable rocket
:21:41. > :21:44.that can real and back on a pad or the Virgin Galactic system that they
:21:45. > :21:49.are not developing, one of which is now in and a satellite launch a
:21:50. > :21:53.Boeing 747 and the other one is Spaceship two, which saddle at max
:21:54. > :21:58.and and a couple of years ago. These kind of systems actually mean that
:21:59. > :22:02.the British space industry does not have to go to Kazakhstan, French
:22:03. > :22:07.Guiana or the West Coast of the United States in order to launch a
:22:08. > :22:11.rocket. Kinetic, who run the Hebrides range for the MOD said it
:22:12. > :22:14.had no plans to use it as a commercial spaceport, although they
:22:15. > :22:19.say they do have the expertise does abort a spaceport anywhere in the
:22:20. > :22:25.UK. But in the annals of space exploration, there's already a new
:22:26. > :22:27.name alongside it can Avril. -- Cape Canaveral.
:22:28. > :22:30.Joining me now to discuss some of the day's news is Caron Lindsay,
:22:31. > :22:33.the Editor of the online site Liberal Democrat Voice.
:22:34. > :22:38.And Ewan Crawford, the former SNP advisor.
:22:39. > :22:43.Good evening. Thanks for joining me. A couple of clips to play for you.
:22:44. > :22:45.Now the deadline for a new funding deal for Scotland has slipped.
:22:46. > :22:51.Now the UK government say the Lords will still be debating
:22:52. > :23:04.According to the Scottish Government, the agreement is as far
:23:05. > :23:07.off as it has ever been. This was always the danger, and away from the
:23:08. > :23:12.spotlight, the two governments, which they called and fixate the
:23:13. > :23:16.momentum to reach a deal will be lost. Don't think that's rather
:23:17. > :23:19.think in terms of self-imposed or butcher deadlines. Keen as though I
:23:20. > :23:21.think in terms of self-imposed or am to have a warm and supportive
:23:22. > :23:27.relationship with the Scottish Government, I have never felt the St
:23:28. > :23:31.Valentine's Day date have much relevance to this process. I am
:23:32. > :23:33.willing to continue to work towards a deal as long as that takes and as
:23:34. > :23:35.long as we can. Now the deputy First Minister John
:23:36. > :23:37.Swinney said he's still working It's speculation about
:23:38. > :23:49.speculation, isn't it? Yes, but the stakes are very, very
:23:50. > :23:52.high here and although Ian Murray there was talking about fiddling and
:23:53. > :23:58.fixating, we are actually talking about huge sums of money. This week,
:23:59. > :24:01.Scottish politics were dominated by the suggestion from labour that they
:24:02. > :24:05.will raise tax, but actually, that can be relatively insignificant
:24:06. > :24:08.compared with these sorts of sums of money that can be reduced from the
:24:09. > :24:13.Scottish Budget, unless a decent deal is done for Scotland, so that's
:24:14. > :24:16.why this is so important. Were you surprised at what they come and all
:24:17. > :24:21.the same? Did you think he was heading for the 12 has well and to
:24:22. > :24:23.be made that statement? This is the day that is important in order for
:24:24. > :24:30.the Scottish Parliament to consider the bill before dissolution and the
:24:31. > :24:35.election. So he clearly doesn't wants to be seen from a conservative
:24:36. > :24:38.point of view again to be putting up roadblocks as the Conservatives have
:24:39. > :24:41.been seen to be doing so far and in the past, but it shows again just
:24:42. > :24:47.important this is, that this deal has to be worked out, because the
:24:48. > :24:50.sums of money are so big. You think it is as important this deal is done
:24:51. > :24:55.before Holyrood dissolves for the election? Could it be revisited
:24:56. > :24:59.after the election? It is in everybody's interests to get it over
:25:00. > :25:02.and done with. It is not a difficult thing to do, if everyone behaves
:25:03. > :25:08.like grown-ups, gets on the table and sort it out. There are some eye
:25:09. > :25:12.watering sums of money involved, certainly, and we are seeing the
:25:13. > :25:17.same sort of brinksmanship from the SNP as we did over the Scotland
:25:18. > :25:20.Bill. The member Alex Salmond's six red lines and John Swinney calling
:25:21. > :25:23.at the dog 's breakfast? They all vote for it at the end of the day.
:25:24. > :25:28.You can see that the Scottish affairs committee today, talking
:25:29. > :25:34.about and using the same sort of language is David Mundell and Pete
:25:35. > :25:39.Wishart being less than friendly at, I think. Let us get it over and done
:25:40. > :25:45.with. Briefly at the last point on this, do you think a deal was ever
:25:46. > :25:48.likely? Never the Twain shall it perhaps? There are certainly
:25:49. > :25:51.officials in the Treasury answer mems of the Conservative Party all
:25:52. > :25:59.support scholars overfunded and I think this is opportunity to reduce
:26:00. > :26:02.it and the expectation that the SNP and the Scottish Government has to
:26:03. > :26:05.take these extra powers and nothing that is one of the things. It is not
:26:06. > :26:08.just brinksmanship, there are genuinely hundreds of millions
:26:09. > :26:09.potentially billions of pounds coming off the Scottish Budget and
:26:10. > :26:13.that is why the Scottish coming off the Scottish Budget and
:26:14. > :26:17.is working so hard on this issue. Let us move on to the European
:26:18. > :26:22.issue. We saw the two sides battling it out. Who do they might win? Well,
:26:23. > :26:27.I think what is important for the voters is not to have the same sort
:26:28. > :26:32.of negativity that we had joined the Scottish referendum when everybody
:26:33. > :26:40.was bashing it out. You need some real positivity to the campaign. I
:26:41. > :26:45.feel at the moment that we just need to talk about focusing on the
:26:46. > :26:48.positives of Europe. Cameron's renegotiation is irrelevant to me.
:26:49. > :26:55.They may well be able to argue that they have some restrictions on
:26:56. > :26:59.benefits and honour lawmaking, but actually, do we really want to be
:27:00. > :27:05.Billy no mates in the world? That's an interesting point, the deal
:27:06. > :27:10.currently singers are relevant. People may not be voting in that at
:27:11. > :27:14.all. That may be sure, but is one element of the deal that is perhaps
:27:15. > :27:16.troubling in a David Cameron made a number of promises in the
:27:17. > :27:21.Conservative manifesto which don't seem to have been kept. That allows
:27:22. > :27:25.people on the outside to say, oh, you can't just those people. The
:27:26. > :27:30.great thing for the insider, the stay in the campaign, is those
:27:31. > :27:34.seeking to leave it is a bit of a shambles, although we have seen in
:27:35. > :27:42.2014 in Scotland, just because your campaign is a shambles, doesn't mean
:27:43. > :27:47.you can't win. Those trying to come out really seem quite... Not putting
:27:48. > :27:51.forward a particularly out really seem quite... Not putting
:27:52. > :27:58.reason why we should come out of the European Union. Let us close on
:27:59. > :28:08.another national obsession, Lord Lucan. As someone granted a death
:28:09. > :28:12.certificate today, a very sad tale. It puts an end to years of
:28:13. > :28:15.speculation, do you think? When I was eight years old, this is when
:28:16. > :28:21.this happened, and I remember reading in the tabloid newspapers
:28:22. > :28:25.about it and I was felt for the children who were involved.
:28:26. > :28:29.Obviously the people who had been her, the nanny and Lady Lucan. And
:28:30. > :28:33.maybe today at least one of the children may get some final closure
:28:34. > :28:37.that it must've been horrible for grown up with all the speculation
:28:38. > :28:44.and all of the rumour. He was talking about that today quite
:28:45. > :28:45.movingly. Thank you both for joining me tonight.
:28:46. > :28:52.Shelley will be back at the same time tomorrow night.
:28:53. > :29:04.Some cases are indelibly marked on your heart, to be honest.
:29:05. > :29:08...and the evidence is complicated. What they'll say is, "It wasn't me."
:29:09. > :29:11.Then what we will have to show is, "Yes, it was you."
:29:12. > :29:14.What's the best way to secure a conviction?
:29:15. > :29:16.So this will come down to, is he bad or is he mad?
:29:17. > :29:20.Everyday decision-making for the Crown Prosecution Service.
:29:21. > :29:22.We want to be able to say, "We believe in this case."
:29:23. > :29:25.When we prosecute something, we're saying, "We believe you."
:29:26. > :29:28.Unprecedented access to The Prosecutors.