:00:00. > :00:00.The Government's child abuse inquiry under fire.
:00:00. > :00:24.Should it hear from a broader range of survivors?
:00:25. > :00:30.The Scottish Government's Child Abuse Inquiry won't understand
:00:31. > :00:33.the scale of the problem without a broader remit,
:00:34. > :00:42.A revolution in New Hampshire as the two outsiders each
:00:43. > :00:45.And the Prime Minister warns the Scottish Government to give
:00:46. > :00:54.ground on a deal on future Scottish funding.
:00:55. > :01:00.No one is keen on agreement than me. I want is Scottish National Party
:01:01. > :01:06.here and in Holyrood to start making decisions.
:01:07. > :01:09.The man who headed a recent review into abuse in
:01:10. > :01:12.the Scottish Catholic Church has waded into the row over
:01:13. > :01:16.the Scottish Government's Abuse Inquiry.
:01:17. > :01:18.The Right Reverend Andrew McLellan has told Scotland 2016
:01:19. > :01:23.that the "pain and humiliation of survivors will be repeated"
:01:24. > :01:25.and the Government will be "quite unable to understand the scale
:01:26. > :01:28."of the problem" if it doesn't extend the scope of its inquiry.
:01:29. > :01:31.His intervention comes on the eve of a meeting between child abuse
:01:32. > :01:33.survivors and the Education Secretary, Angela Constance.
:01:34. > :01:49.As abused children they had no voice. They had no want to cry out
:01:50. > :01:55.on their behalf at the appalling injustices that they suffered while
:01:56. > :01:58.growing up. This was the beginning. In December 2014, Angela Constance
:01:59. > :02:04.announced what has become a the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry. It's a
:02:05. > :02:09.remake, she said, was to investigate the nature and extent of abuse of
:02:10. > :02:14.children whilst in care. But survivors groups are unhappy, saying
:02:15. > :02:17.it is too narrow. We specifically pointed out a number of those
:02:18. > :02:21.institutions, namely the Catholic church and Boy Scouts, where we were
:02:22. > :02:24.very disappointed that they weren't included. We wondered why they
:02:25. > :02:30.hadn't been included and that is what we are asking and we are asking
:02:31. > :02:33.that again for the Education Secretary to include those
:02:34. > :02:36.particular agencies. If they are saying no, why are these Catholic
:02:37. > :02:41.children being discriminated against? Are they not worthy of the
:02:42. > :02:50.inquiry? It is focusing on the sexual, physical and emotional abuse
:02:51. > :02:54.of children in homeless, Young Offenders' Institutes and schools.
:02:55. > :02:59.It is not looking at abuse suffered in parishes, sports and youth clubs.
:03:00. > :03:03.Those working daily with abuse victims say this inquiry will not
:03:04. > :03:06.include the vast majority of them. I would say 80% of our clients have
:03:07. > :03:10.been excluded from this inquiry, because that is the number of
:03:11. > :03:14.clients not been abused in a care setting. The care settings have been
:03:15. > :03:17.categorised as part of the inquiry. Abuse is abuse and it has a
:03:18. > :03:22.significant effect on the whole of somebody's life. For survivor to
:03:23. > :03:25.feel that it is maybe being considered by the inquiry that might
:03:26. > :03:30.abuse is not as important as somebody else's abuse is extremely
:03:31. > :03:35.damaging. It is a national disgrace, what has happened to survivors in
:03:36. > :03:39.Scotland. I think we have a moral obligation to ensure that is done
:03:40. > :03:42.correct. The Education Secretary has given the Scottish Government. She
:03:43. > :03:47.says the inquiry is the widest ever held and are working closely with
:03:48. > :03:53.survivors. We are determined to shine a light on past injustice. If
:03:54. > :03:58.what many survivors were saying to me is what -- is that they want an
:03:59. > :04:02.inquiry Baqubah is all important issues that will also report bike in
:04:03. > :04:10.a reasonable timescale with practical suggestions that will
:04:11. > :04:13.address past injustice. This man, Paul Smith, said he was abused by
:04:14. > :04:22.Catholic priest while on a day out at the beach. It is people like Paul
:04:23. > :04:26.who will be covered by this inquiry. This is not the first inquiry
:04:27. > :04:29.Scotland has seen, the McLellan Commission report last year on the
:04:30. > :04:32.way abuse was handled in the Catholic church in the wake of
:04:33. > :04:38.allegations at the Fort Augustus School and elsewhere. They described
:04:39. > :04:41.how the church covered up crimes to try and save its reputation. Church
:04:42. > :04:45.leaders apologised and said it would change. Today, Andrew McLellan told
:04:46. > :05:17.the BBC... Ireland has had three enquirer is,
:05:18. > :05:21.focused on archdiocese and diocese, and a fourth looking into abuse in
:05:22. > :05:25.Catholic run industrial schools and orphanages. There is a view in
:05:26. > :05:29.Ireland that these narrow investigations were better and
:05:30. > :05:32.faster. There's also a wide-ranging investigation in England and Wales
:05:33. > :05:38.that will cover institutional sexual abuse as well as offering survivors
:05:39. > :05:40.of financial help. The Education Secretary will meet with
:05:41. > :05:42.organisations representing abuse survivors at Holyrood tomorrow.
:05:43. > :05:46.Just before we came on air, I spoke to the Education Secretary Angela
:05:47. > :05:50.I started by asking for her response to the Right Reverend Andrew
:05:51. > :05:58.McLellan's call for the inquiry remit to be widened.
:05:59. > :06:06.No Government has done more for survivors than this Government.
:06:07. > :06:11.Within weeks of taking office as the Cabinet Secretary for education, one
:06:12. > :06:15.of my first tasks was to announce the establishment of a public
:06:16. > :06:20.inquiry, an independent inquiry. And the purpose of this, in short, was
:06:21. > :06:28.to examine the institutional and systemic failures of the state when
:06:29. > :06:33.the state had assumed the primary care and responsibility for
:06:34. > :06:38.children. And I undertook a very personal commitment to survivors, I
:06:39. > :06:42.remain deeply committed to them. That is understood, but what he is
:06:43. > :06:45.saying and if you are survivors are now saying is that if you don't
:06:46. > :06:51.listen to their stories, too, you're not going to get the full picture.
:06:52. > :06:57.Well, prior to going into Parliament to inform Parliament of the remit of
:06:58. > :06:58.the public inquiry, I and other ministers and Government officials
:06:59. > :07:04.undertook extensive consultation with survivors and we have to
:07:05. > :07:11.recognise that there are many voices in the survivors community and I was
:07:12. > :07:16.really struck by the fact that those survivors, who wanted the inquiry to
:07:17. > :07:20.be established, they had campaigned long time for this. And they want
:07:21. > :07:27.the inquiry not to let the state of the hook to ensure that we do indeed
:07:28. > :07:31.shine a light on injustice, but they warn that inquiry to be able to
:07:32. > :07:35.report bike in a reasonable timescale. Bought by people who
:07:36. > :07:38.don't want institutions like the Catholic Church to be let off the
:07:39. > :07:43.hook? You have to take the word seriously of the man who headed a
:07:44. > :07:46.review into abuse in the Scottish Catholic Church? Of course, we take
:07:47. > :07:53.all views and opinions on this very serious matter. He saying you need
:07:54. > :07:58.to extend the remit. Well, we looked at this really, really closely and
:07:59. > :08:04.many survivors were saying to the Government prior to the setup of the
:08:05. > :08:10.inquiry that they wanted to ensure that the inquiry focused on the
:08:11. > :08:15.abuse of those who were were in care as children. And we actually did
:08:16. > :08:21.widen the scope of the inquiry as a result of that very extensive
:08:22. > :08:25.consultation. So what we need -- mean by Invacare is very broad and
:08:26. > :08:29.it does include -- indeed include religious organisations and orders
:08:30. > :08:34.where they have exercised the care or not the care of children. Where
:08:35. > :08:38.religious organisations have provided residential care, we have
:08:39. > :08:45.also included foster carers, boarding schools, situations where
:08:46. > :08:50.children were boarded out, that used to be a practice common in Scotland
:08:51. > :08:56.decades ago. So this inquiry is very broad, it is far reaching, we listen
:08:57. > :09:00.that carefully to all survivors who needed representations to the
:09:01. > :09:05.Government and indeed we continue to listen to all the voices in the
:09:06. > :09:11.survivor community who want a public inquiry that is focused on the
:09:12. > :09:15.institutional systemic abuse of children in care. And you say this
:09:16. > :09:18.is about being focused and delivering within four years. The
:09:19. > :09:21.inquiry in England has a much broader remit in that it is
:09:22. > :09:27.promising to report back in five years. It is possible if you have
:09:28. > :09:31.the will to do it. The inquiry in England of course has a different
:09:32. > :09:35.background and a different history. The history of this inquiry in
:09:36. > :09:41.Scotland was the result of a petition to the Scottish Parliament
:09:42. > :09:45.many years ago. It requested a statutory independent public inquiry
:09:46. > :09:49.into the experiences of children who were abused whilst in care and
:09:50. > :09:53.whilst in care of the state. As I said, we have broadened out the
:09:54. > :10:01.remit of the inquiry already and as a result of the extensive
:10:02. > :10:02.consultation... Digicam salt the Catholic Church when deciding on the
:10:03. > :10:33.remit? Did you Catholic Church when deciding on the
:10:34. > :10:40.believe they were not. And they are involved in this inquiry where any
:10:41. > :10:44.religious institution has had primary responsibilities for caring
:10:45. > :10:48.for children, so religious organisations and churches who have
:10:49. > :10:53.had children in their residential care, where the church has assumed
:10:54. > :10:57.parental responsibility for children, they will indeed be
:10:58. > :11:01.included in this inquiry. We were very clear about this and I was very
:11:02. > :11:05.clear about that when I made my statement to Parliament. So if
:11:06. > :11:08.you're going to stick with the remit as it is, will you, if you are
:11:09. > :12:38.serious about listening as it is, will you, if you are
:12:39. > :12:41.this Government and I'm deeply committed to all those actions to
:12:42. > :12:43.ensure that we get justice for survivors. Thank you, Angela
:12:44. > :12:45.Constance. Well, listening to that
:12:46. > :12:48.here in the studio was the Labour MSP Graeme Pearson, who's been
:12:49. > :12:58.arguing for a broader inquiry remit Good evening. It doesn't sound like
:12:59. > :13:03.Angela Constance is going to budge on the remit. Why do you think she
:13:04. > :13:08.should? It is not important why I think she should, it is important
:13:09. > :13:11.why the survivors think she should. From the outset, they were as
:13:12. > :13:16.promised they would be at the centre of this whole process and they found
:13:17. > :13:20.it very difficult to get access to the Government to be involved in
:13:21. > :13:23.open discussions with them. And at key times when they thought they
:13:24. > :13:27.would feed into the process, there are kept out of it. And as a result,
:13:28. > :13:31.have come to me in order to try and find out what is going, and
:13:32. > :13:37.certainly I have not been invited into the process. It is a closed
:13:38. > :13:43.shop. To be fed, it was originally set up to look at abuse of children
:13:44. > :13:45.in care. If, as she says, they want to produce really clear, focused
:13:46. > :13:51.recommendations on that issue, isn't she correct parts to stick to her
:13:52. > :13:56.guns? The process is moving so quickly that a year on -- we are a
:13:57. > :13:59.year on we still don't know how the evidence is going to be taken. We
:14:00. > :14:03.still don't have the first day for commencement and the survivors have
:14:04. > :14:09.virtually forced the meeting tomorrow with the Cabinet Secretary
:14:10. > :14:14.and have insisted that I and others should be there in order to give
:14:15. > :14:18.them some confidence and be heard. Do you think there is no reason to
:14:19. > :14:24.differentiate in this inquiry between abuse and residential care
:14:25. > :14:33.and abuse in other areas? No. We have gone about this thing for more
:14:34. > :14:35.than a decade now. It started in December 2000 14. The political
:14:36. > :14:42.journey that was taking place here began with someone a decade ago and
:14:43. > :14:47.he promised the next move. We have now waited nine years to get to
:14:48. > :14:52.where we are. We do not see movement. And that is what the
:14:53. > :14:57.survivors need to see before they die. The trouble is that, if you
:14:58. > :15:01.further broaden this inquiry they will have to wait a lot longer. This
:15:02. > :15:04.will be heard, because the current setup seems to say there is a
:15:05. > :15:11.certain number of people that we value and wants to listen to and by
:15:12. > :15:15.implication, those are exempted -- who are exempted will feel
:15:16. > :15:22.second-class and in importance. The authorities have let these people
:15:23. > :15:24.down. There were given in to a range of local authorities, religious
:15:25. > :15:29.organisations, scouts and so forth, and they were trusted to look after
:15:30. > :15:33.them. And they failed them terribly. They have waited decades to be heard
:15:34. > :15:42.and here is the last opportunity and it has been snatched away from them
:15:43. > :15:49.by bureaucracy and pen pushers. Briefly, what are you hoping
:15:50. > :15:52.locomotive of tomorrow's meeting? Angela Constance was forced into the
:15:53. > :15:57.next stage. I would like to think they would be more open and grabbed
:15:58. > :16:01.the opportunity to clean this up as best can be done at this very late
:16:02. > :16:04.stage, and get a chance for people to be heard properly. Thank you.
:16:05. > :16:05.Now, the billionaire Republican Donald Trump
:16:06. > :16:08.and the left-wing Democrat Senator Bernie Sanders last night won
:16:09. > :16:10.the backing of voters in New Hampshire in the contest
:16:11. > :16:13.to become candidates in the US presidential election in November.
:16:14. > :16:16.New Hampshire is the second state to vote.
:16:17. > :16:25.Our Washington correspondent Gary Donoghue was in there.
:16:26. > :16:35.Coming in first is no great surprise, but it is a relief for
:16:36. > :16:39.team Trump after their shock defeat in Iowa. We are going to start
:16:40. > :16:44.winning again and we will win so much, you will be so happy. We are
:16:45. > :16:50.going to make America is so great again, maybe greater than ever
:16:51. > :16:55.before. And the great party outsider, Ernie Sanders, also
:16:56. > :17:01.confirmed predictions, meaning his insurgent campaign for Democratic
:17:02. > :17:04.nomination at rolls on. It is a political revolution that will bring
:17:05. > :17:13.tens of billions of our people together. We will all come together
:17:14. > :17:21.to say loudly and clearly that the Government of our great nation
:17:22. > :17:29.belongs to all of us, not just a fair few wealthy campaign
:17:30. > :17:32.contributors. Hillary Clinton's campaign has been managing down
:17:33. > :17:36.expectations, with her staff look into those states in the coming
:17:37. > :17:39.weeks where black and collating all voters will be significant, it
:17:40. > :17:45.groups in which the former first lady polls strongly. A man that
:17:46. > :17:50.disappointed with his performance night was Marco Rubio. He had become
:17:51. > :17:55.the big hope of the Republican establishment to stop Donald Trump,
:17:56. > :17:59.but despite their cheers, these supporters know he has not
:18:00. > :18:03.distinguished himself from the pack. New Hampshire will mean the end for
:18:04. > :18:07.some Republican candidates, but the field is still crowded and party
:18:08. > :18:09.leaders are just as far from working out how to stop Donald Trump as the
:18:10. > :18:10.wearer before this contest. Gary Donoghue in
:18:11. > :18:12.New Hampshire there. And we can go live now
:18:13. > :18:26.to our Washington bureau and speak Good evening. How are you? Hello. It
:18:27. > :18:32.was quite an upset for the establishment last night. What has
:18:33. > :18:38.been the reaction? First of all, the reaction has been that two have left
:18:39. > :18:44.the race, so it is not quite a crowded Republican race as it was
:18:45. > :18:50.before. We have Chris Christie and businesswoman Carly the arena has
:18:51. > :18:55.also left. She did not perhaps make the dent she would have liked to,
:18:56. > :18:59.but certainly Chris Christie was a real hopeful. He was the kind of
:19:00. > :19:04.candidate that revelled in the skeleton like it is, but Donald
:19:05. > :19:09.Trump has taken about Mantle and run with it. When it comes to stopping
:19:10. > :19:16.the Donald Trump, it might be difficult to know. It might take the
:19:17. > :19:23.Republican party to figure out which candidate they want to go forward.
:19:24. > :19:27.Embers this leave Hillary Clinton's campaign? She is facing an enormous
:19:28. > :19:31.challenge in the face of Bernie Sanders. There are several things
:19:32. > :19:35.she can take away from New Hampshire. Yes, the loss was
:19:36. > :19:40.expected, but when you look at the polling numbers, she really
:19:41. > :19:47.struggling in attracting women and young voters. 69% of women under the
:19:48. > :19:52.age of 45 voted for Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire. She has to go away
:19:53. > :19:56.and think about this. These are women who are looking at potentially
:19:57. > :20:01.the first female president and are still choosing Bernie Sanders. So
:20:02. > :20:05.she has to figure out a way to attract those people. South Carolina
:20:06. > :20:10.may be an easier target, the next primary. But that is because it has
:20:11. > :20:16.a large Hispanic and black vote and they seem to like her. And how about
:20:17. > :20:21.the Republicans? Donald Trump certainly seems to have the wind in
:20:22. > :20:27.his sales? Donald Trump is certainly a head in the polls for the next
:20:28. > :20:29.primary in South Carolina. The others are looking around one
:20:30. > :20:35.another and trying to figure out which one will come forward. You've
:20:36. > :20:39.got or hire Governor John Kasich, you got Jeb Bush and Senator Marco
:20:40. > :20:44.Rubio. These are the three Republican candidates. Problem is,
:20:45. > :20:50.they are taking votes of one another. At some point, one has to
:20:51. > :20:54.stop and say it is me, I am the one candidate people want to coalesce
:20:55. > :20:59.around and that is what everyone is waiting for. The problem is, months
:21:00. > :21:04.ago, everyone said Donald Trump would not happen. Here we are, it is
:21:05. > :21:07.happening. The polls might be wrong, but it doesn't look the eye that far
:21:08. > :21:09.wrong now. Thanks. The prime minister upped the ante
:21:10. > :21:12.today on the deadlocked talks on future Scottish funding,
:21:13. > :21:14.with a letter to the First Minister. David Cameron warned Nicola Sturgeon
:21:15. > :21:17.that the Scottish Government must give ground if there's to be a deal
:21:18. > :21:21.on the fiscal framework. In the letter, Mr Cameron says
:21:22. > :21:24.he finds it "surprising" that Scottish Ministers apparently lack
:21:25. > :21:26.confidence in attracting people Here's our political editor,
:21:27. > :21:37.Brian Taylor. A letter responding to Nicola
:21:38. > :21:40.Sturgeon's earlier request to sort this out. On the one hand, key
:21:41. > :21:44.stresses his personal commitment to sorting this out and says he
:21:45. > :21:49.believes the Scottish Government has to move in the direction of the UK
:21:50. > :21:52.Government. Scottish ministers say if they do that, they give ground on
:21:53. > :22:00.Scotland's money and are not prepared to do that. He also says in
:22:01. > :22:05.terms of population growth, which might be lower in Scotland, he finds
:22:06. > :22:08.that is disappointing that Scottish ministers apparently lack the
:22:09. > :22:13.confidence in their ability to attract people to come to Scotland
:22:14. > :22:18.and enhance the economy and thus to enhance the tax take. So you have a
:22:19. > :22:23.dual approach here and still no sign of a deal. Next steps, I expect John
:22:24. > :22:27.Swinney to publish a revised offer to the Treasury. Whether it is
:22:28. > :22:32.enough, that remains to be seen. There is a report out tomorrow from
:22:33. > :22:37.the Scottish Affairs committee. There is some expectation that
:22:38. > :22:38.perhaps they might seek to broker a compromise.
:22:39. > :22:42.Joining me now to discuss some of the day's other news are a couple
:22:43. > :22:46.of journalists, Anna Burnside and Magnus Gardham.
:22:47. > :22:54.Good evening to you both. Just picking up on what Brian was talking
:22:55. > :22:57.about, what do you think of the Prime Minister's intervention? I
:22:58. > :23:02.think it is really interesting. For the past couple of weeks, I have
:23:03. > :23:06.been convinced there would be no deal, but there have been a couple
:23:07. > :23:10.of things in the last 48 hours which to me have that a lot more hopeful.
:23:11. > :23:15.The Prime Minister getting involved is one of those things. It shows
:23:16. > :23:23.that he is alive to the politics behind this. It's not going to look
:23:24. > :23:26.good for either side if we do not get a deal, but it will look worse
:23:27. > :23:29.for the UK Government. John Swinney has made a strong case and if it all
:23:30. > :23:33.falls apart, he will win the argument in the court of public
:23:34. > :23:36.opinion. Added to that, I think Nicola Sturgeon has demonstrated
:23:37. > :23:40.beyond any doubt her commitment to getting these powers. Over the last
:23:41. > :23:45.couple of days, it looks more hopeful. It is still delicately
:23:46. > :23:50.poised. There is still work to do. I'm inclined to think there is more
:23:51. > :23:56.than a 50-50 chance now. A deal before the recess? Yes. How do you
:23:57. > :24:00.think it is plain in the Court of public opinion's what you think
:24:01. > :24:04.voters make of all this? I think when the queue the word fiscal
:24:05. > :24:10.framework they go to Bermuda in their heads. What about Wendy here
:24:11. > :24:15.for example Angus Robertson say these plans could cost an extra ?3
:24:16. > :24:21.billion? Do you think that resonates? I do not. I think it is
:24:22. > :24:26.so technical and full of figures. It seems to have been going on for so
:24:27. > :24:30.long, I think most people... Apart from Magnus, they have tuned out.
:24:31. > :24:37.People have tuned out. I have just been rereading Little Direct and it
:24:38. > :24:41.reminds me of either Clement's battles with the Department of
:24:42. > :24:46.circumlocution. It just seems huge and enormous and you do not see
:24:47. > :24:51.where it will end. OK, let's move on to our top story tonight. You heard
:24:52. > :24:56.Angela Constance earlier refusing to budge on the growing pressure to
:24:57. > :25:00.widen the remit on the Scottish town and abuse enquiry. She says they
:25:01. > :25:06.have to keep the enquiry focused. Do you think she's getting that right?
:25:07. > :25:10.I can understand the Scottish Government's argument. I think there
:25:11. > :25:14.is a danger that an unmanageable enquiry could be created, and
:25:15. > :25:19.remember, this one is due to run until something like 2019. It is
:25:20. > :25:25.important to remember the spirit in which this enquiry was set up, and
:25:26. > :25:30.that was one very much to do with giving victims a voice and ensuring
:25:31. > :25:34.that victims are heard. People want justice, but they also want to be
:25:35. > :25:40.heard. If people at the outset are questioning whether that is going to
:25:41. > :25:45.happen, I think that places a big? Over the enquiry. I think serious
:25:46. > :25:49.consideration should now be placed over widen it. Does it make it
:25:50. > :25:55.difficult when we concede there is another enquiry going on in south of
:25:56. > :25:58.the border with a much wider remit's it is actually promising to report
:25:59. > :26:04.back not that much longer than the Scottish enquiry. If you were
:26:05. > :26:07.reminded to feel that way, it would give you the impression that the
:26:08. > :26:11.Scottish Government have made these decisions and given it this
:26:12. > :26:17.framework for slightly bureaucratic reasons, for themselves, to make it
:26:18. > :26:25.easy, manageable, containable. The provided good practical reasons, and
:26:26. > :26:31.the survivors here," You do not care about us." It plays badly with them
:26:32. > :26:34.and is exacerbated by the fact the enquiry in England is doing much
:26:35. > :26:40.more what they would like to be doing up here. Do you think Andrew
:26:41. > :26:45.McLellan's intervention is significant? Yes, I think he is a
:26:46. > :26:50.powerful voice. He is coming at it very much from the victims'
:26:51. > :26:57.perspective. I cannot think of anybody better placed to intervene
:26:58. > :27:01.and possibly cause a rethink. What do you think the consequences would
:27:02. > :27:05.be if they did broaden the enquiry? Because we have seen in other
:27:06. > :27:10.countries that it just goes on and on for years. In the end, would that
:27:11. > :27:16.be satisfying for a lot of the survivors who are concerned about
:27:17. > :27:20.this? If the enquiry in England can put a five-year cap on it with the
:27:21. > :27:24.broader remit, I do not see why we could not do something like that
:27:25. > :27:28.here. I completely understand there must be limits or it grows arms and
:27:29. > :27:33.legs and goes on forever, but I think there has to be some way that
:27:34. > :27:40.you can widen it without letting it just flop into a big mess. Finally,
:27:41. > :27:46.the Scottish campaign to keep the UK in the EU was launched. Scotland
:27:47. > :27:53.Stronger In Europe is headed by podcast Mona Siddiqui. Polls showed
:27:54. > :28:02.the Scots generally pro-stain in the EU, but we cannot be complacent. --
:28:03. > :28:07.in favour of staying in the EU. All of these things matter. We may feel
:28:08. > :28:11.we have had the best of so many things, but we have to leave a good
:28:12. > :28:20.legacy for future generations. What was the tone? I brought you a
:28:21. > :28:28.souvenir. This very discreet lapel badge is about as exciting as it
:28:29. > :28:32.got. That is very discreet. It is so discreet to be almost invisible. If
:28:33. > :28:36.you cast your mind about the start of the independence referendum, both
:28:37. > :28:40.sides had glitzy launches it almost seemed as though the in campaign,
:28:41. > :28:45.and I think this will be the official one, it looked as though
:28:46. > :28:52.they return to keep it low key, as nonparty political. The people
:28:53. > :28:56.behind it are academics and business people. There are key message seems
:28:57. > :29:06.to be that we are not better together. Do you think it will be
:29:07. > :29:11.project cheer? There was nothing there to really set a heart on fire,
:29:12. > :29:14.was there a? We might have to wait for a bit of glamour. Thanks for
:29:15. > :29:15.coming in this evening. That's it for this evening.
:29:16. > :29:17.Thanks for watching. I'll be back same
:29:18. > :29:18.time tomorrow night. I've had a message from China,
:29:19. > :29:34.from my birth mother. How far would you go to save
:29:35. > :29:42.the family who gave you up? She's too ashamed
:29:43. > :29:46.to look at you, Mei. 'Sister, help me. If no-one
:29:47. > :29:50.speak for me, I will die.'