:00:00. > :00:29.Campaigns launched, well-rehearsed arguments expounded -
:00:30. > :00:48.Treated in this message to Scotland and campaigning in Scotland. I
:00:49. > :00:52.enjoyed doing that duelling the Independence Referendum and I look
:00:53. > :00:54.forward to making this item and again that we are better off
:00:55. > :00:58.together. We've been sampling the mood
:00:59. > :01:01.of the nation and we'll hear from Brussels as we debate the pros
:01:02. > :01:05.and cons of in and out. And the question we've been asking
:01:06. > :01:07.ourselves for weeks - is a deal on the fiscal
:01:08. > :01:42.framework finally possible? It was time to stand in the comments
:01:43. > :01:46.and make his argument. We are a great country and whatever
:01:47. > :01:52.choice we make we will still be great but I believe the choice is
:01:53. > :01:58.between being an even greater Britain inside the EU or I great
:01:59. > :02:03.leap into the unknown. And this time the Prime Minister has the SNP as an
:02:04. > :02:08.ally that there is a warning. I want to Scotland and the rest of the UK
:02:09. > :02:14.truly mean within the European Union. However if we are forced out
:02:15. > :02:18.of the EU I am certain the public in Scotland will demand a referendum on
:02:19. > :02:23.Scottish independence and we will protect our place in Europe. The man
:02:24. > :02:34.who wants are place to the out of Europe. Boris Johnson.
:02:35. > :02:38.I ask my right honourable friend the Prime Minister to explain to the
:02:39. > :02:45.House and to the country in exactly what way this deal returns
:02:46. > :02:52.sovereignty over any field of lawmaking to these houses of
:02:53. > :02:56.parliament? This deal brings back some welfare powers, it brings back
:02:57. > :03:01.some immigration powers, it brings back some bailouts powers. So he
:03:02. > :03:08.thought the deal was not good enough. Arleigh Burke MSP also
:03:09. > :03:21.agreed that. -- a Labour member Matt.
:03:22. > :03:24.He went on to say that the Prime Minister had accepted that the City
:03:25. > :03:29.of London would not have special status can bear to Europe's other
:03:30. > :03:31.stock exchanges. Why is there such a deficit in what the French President
:03:32. > :03:36.is saying and what the pie minister is saying?
:03:37. > :03:39.Well, just before we came on air I spoke to the Daily Record
:03:40. > :03:41.Westminster Editor Torcuil Crichton to find out how febrile
:03:42. > :03:55.Today was one of those classic Commons moments where you had high
:03:56. > :04:00.national politics clashing with personal ambition, revenge and
:04:01. > :04:05.jealousy because David Cameron came before the Commons today after he
:04:06. > :04:12.had had a huge blow for his old friend Michael Gove who went to the
:04:13. > :04:16.other side and an even bigger blow by the theatrical move by Boris
:04:17. > :04:22.Johnson to the outcome. David Cameron came facing half the Tory
:04:23. > :04:28.party against him, and eight new figurehead on the outcome pain.
:04:29. > :04:37.What's that he do? He turned on Boris Johnson and lacerated him and
:04:38. > :04:39.slash his argument about Boris Johnson's competition at argument
:04:40. > :04:44.about voting to leave in order to stay to get a better deal which is
:04:45. > :04:49.his tortured way of saying he wants to be Prime Minister. He managed to
:04:50. > :04:52.turn that around and deconstruct its because David Cameron said he had no
:04:53. > :05:01.further ambition except the best interests of the country, in other
:05:02. > :05:09.words Boris Johnson has a different interest. Where is the Conservative
:05:10. > :05:15.Party standing tonight? There was a meeting of the 1922 backbench
:05:16. > :05:18.committee. There was. This is a divided party and that was written
:05:19. > :05:23.large in the Commons today and backbenchers are as David Cameron to
:05:24. > :05:26.take it easy on Boris Johnson which is like asking somebody who has done
:05:27. > :05:35.a hit and run to time back and give a blast addition to the victim.
:05:36. > :05:38.David Cameron just let his anger and frustration of years with Boris
:05:39. > :05:45.Johnson vent today and cut him down. The trouble with that is that this
:05:46. > :05:49.is in danger of being a Tory psychodrama, this civil war in the
:05:50. > :05:54.Tory party. It is entertaining. It is the first time Labour MPs have
:05:55. > :05:57.been in the Commons for a long time and enjoyed themselves because
:05:58. > :06:04.usually the boot is on the other fruits but none of that is what the
:06:05. > :06:08.European referendum is all about. In Scotland will be a be a different
:06:09. > :06:14.type of conversation when it comes to this debate? There are two
:06:15. > :06:20.factors. Boris Johnson cleans he is one of the big figures you can shift
:06:21. > :06:24.opinion. Let us not pretend that Scottish viewers are any less immune
:06:25. > :06:29.to the political machinations at Westminster than they are to the
:06:30. > :06:32.plotlines of Eastenders or Coronation Street. Of course it will
:06:33. > :06:36.have an effect but Boris Johnson will not change votes in Scotland
:06:37. > :06:40.but the fact that things are falling apart a little bit for David Cameron
:06:41. > :06:48.will have an effect. The SNP which has strict discipline about April
:06:49. > :06:54.European front, that'll have an effect. There is a big gap in the
:06:55. > :06:58.market for the SNP, once again to the left, where Labour should be,
:06:59. > :07:04.and Labour are just not in this debate, about making a positive case
:07:05. > :07:09.for a social Europe, a cohesive unit, a unit that opens its arms to
:07:10. > :07:16.refugees. That is where the SNP will go and fill that void where there is
:07:17. > :07:18.not a positive case for Europe. Labour could be doing it but the SNP
:07:19. > :07:22.will. Thank you. Now there is no question
:07:23. > :07:24.that the continent of Europe has had an influence on what we
:07:25. > :07:28.eat in this country. So what better places to guage
:07:29. > :07:31.opinion than in restaurants, Our reporter Catriona Renton went
:07:32. > :07:35.on a tour of European eateries to find out what people think
:07:36. > :07:46.about the referendum. At the editorial meeting this
:07:47. > :07:52.morning the talk was all about Europe and we quickly got onto the
:07:53. > :07:56.topic of food. French, German, Italian. It took very little to
:07:57. > :08:01.persuade me to go out and take a sample of the flavour of what we
:08:02. > :08:07.were talking about out there. We started at this little part of Italy
:08:08. > :08:11.in the centre of Glasgow. This man is from Italy and works in
:08:12. > :08:15.Glasgow. He has lived here for two years so he will not have a vote. He
:08:16. > :08:25.thinks however that Scots should vote to leave the EU based on his
:08:26. > :08:32.experiences in Italy. The system is not working. Now we need something
:08:33. > :08:38.to wash our pizza down with. This German beer hall is a good bet. What
:08:39. > :08:41.does the owner think about the referendum? They would be lots of
:08:42. > :08:49.problems if we left and if we stay in there will still be problems. I
:08:50. > :08:55.am more tending to stay in at the moment. Now we could do with some
:08:56. > :09:00.cake for dessert. This person moved to Scotland from France over 60
:09:01. > :09:05.years ago. She thinks Scots would be better off out of the EU. Do we stay
:09:06. > :09:18.in or leave the EU? We should leave the EU. Why? Because the people here
:09:19. > :09:25.are nice and are wealthy enough to look after ourselves. It is one
:09:26. > :09:31.country and we should look after it the best we can. Without any
:09:32. > :09:36.stranger coming over and taking advantage. This time we went for a
:09:37. > :09:40.place with Scottish names to round off our meal. This person thinks we
:09:41. > :09:48.should stay in the European Union. There is no reason to leave. It
:09:49. > :09:52.would jeopardise jobs. A lot of the things we have built up, protections
:09:53. > :09:59.that Europe gives as, we should definitely keep. Now we know the
:10:00. > :10:02.date. There is four months to pick what to your taste.
:10:03. > :10:04.I'm now joined from Brussels by the Shadow Scottish Secretary,
:10:05. > :10:08.He's been making a speech there tonight and with me
:10:09. > :10:11.in the studio is the former Conservative MSP Brian Monteith
:10:12. > :10:29.Ian married, you were speaking in Brussels and you said opponents of
:10:30. > :10:32.the EU would deny rather than face the forces of globalisation but
:10:33. > :10:36.Jeremy Corbyn is against controversial trade deals. He is
:10:37. > :10:44.denying the forces of globalisation is he not? If you look at Scottish
:10:45. > :10:49.industry and British industry it is in the interest to stay within the
:10:50. > :10:52.European Union. I was with the Scottish Whisky Association last
:10:53. > :10:57.week and they were telling me the great benefits of being part of the
:10:58. > :11:00.European Union, not just with the half a billion people that live
:11:01. > :11:05.within it but with the bilateral trade agreements and other parts of
:11:06. > :11:08.the world. It is about jobs and livelihoods and putting forward a
:11:09. > :11:13.positive case as to why that is important for Scotland and the UK.
:11:14. > :11:17.That is the kind of conversation we had in Brussels today. It is about
:11:18. > :11:22.jobs and livelihoods. That is what one of your colleagues said. She
:11:23. > :11:26.said it is a Labour left-winger I come and leaving the European Union.
:11:27. > :11:32.You could end the rules against the state aid for the steel industry and
:11:33. > :11:38.support the steel industry in the UK. The state industry could be
:11:39. > :11:51.supported if conservative MPs were not voting regarding steel dumping.
:11:52. > :11:59.The rest of the Labour MPs are voting to stay in. We will be
:12:00. > :12:04.putting a positive case about why we should stay in. Being an integral
:12:05. > :12:07.part of rules to Scotians is in the interests of all Scots. Businesses
:12:08. > :12:12.will tell you that. Individual Scottish workers will tell you that.
:12:13. > :12:22.Social protections, cultural protections. Brian Monteith, Ian
:12:23. > :12:27.picked up on the point that the entire country is having to watch
:12:28. > :12:33.this conservative psychodrama being played out. We are all having to
:12:34. > :12:39.watch and listen again to the arguments of Margaret Thatcher and
:12:40. > :12:43.Geoffrey Howe. I do not see it that way at all. I struggle to recognise
:12:44. > :12:51.what Iain Murray is saying about the Labour Party. There is more than
:12:52. > :12:58.just one MP. There are many other Labour MPs who are speaking. They
:12:59. > :13:04.are speaking out against EU membership. He said six or seven.
:13:05. > :13:11.This is the Tory psychodrama. It is not about the Tory party. This is a
:13:12. > :13:16.binary referendum. Leave or stay. Across parties you will find
:13:17. > :13:22.divisions. It is only natural. That will play out. If people want to
:13:23. > :13:25.focus on personalities and partisan politics they are missing the
:13:26. > :13:31.biggest opportunity in a generation. Let us focus on a key issue,
:13:32. > :13:35.security. Iain Duncan Smith said yesterday that staying in the EU
:13:36. > :13:40.could contribute to more Paris style terror attacks. David Cameron put
:13:41. > :13:46.him firmly in his place today did he not? The Prime Minister was not
:13:47. > :13:54.trusting to the BBC security correspondent who revealed out the
:13:55. > :13:58.security services themselves believe that the most important
:13:59. > :14:04.relationships are not with EU countries but are worth the United
:14:05. > :14:09.States, Australia and so on. That is where the security relationship is
:14:10. > :14:13.strong. The fact that we have a terrific security service that we
:14:14. > :14:17.have no doubt that people would want to share information with us because
:14:18. > :14:22.we will be able to give them information that they need. Ian
:14:23. > :14:26.Murray, let us pick up on what Michael Gove was saying, a key
:14:27. > :14:29.figure in the out campaign, he was saying that as a minister she does
:14:30. > :14:35.not feel he has control over what he can do it is own job. And a Labour
:14:36. > :14:38.MP who has been a minister picked up on that as well. UK ministers do not
:14:39. > :14:44.have freedom to manoeuvre because the European Union. I do not accept
:14:45. > :14:48.that. There is this scaremongering story that the European Union
:14:49. > :14:52.contributes 90% of legislation in the UK. That is not true. The House
:14:53. > :14:56.of Commons library has looked at this time and time again and
:14:57. > :15:00.emphasised it is close to 10% or perhaps 12% if you take into account
:15:01. > :15:04.even the word unit. Let us look at what some of that legislation is.
:15:05. > :15:10.Holiday pay. Paternity pay. Social protections. All those kinds of
:15:11. > :15:14.issues that are low Scots and Brits to live in Spain or Italy or
:15:15. > :15:18.Germany. That is the kind of thing and I would've thought that it Iain
:15:19. > :15:20.Duncan Smith, I could go off, was on one side of the idle and, most Scots
:15:21. > :15:34.would want to be on the other. So some key issues at play here.
:15:35. > :15:39.Annie Conservative MEPs are supporting you in your campaign? I'm
:15:40. > :15:44.not aware of any and I are not troubled by it. This is about
:15:45. > :15:49.people. If I look at the polling and surveys, I find that why the
:15:50. > :15:55.Conservative voters are split 50-50, I find in the SNP it is nearly one
:15:56. > :15:59.third of SNP supporters who want out of the European Union and in the
:16:00. > :16:03.Labour Party it is a quarter. So there are large blocks of people in
:16:04. > :16:08.Scotland who are unrepresented by the parties they vote for. That is
:16:09. > :16:13.not very clever. I think what the party leaders should have done is
:16:14. > :16:19.have greater debate within their own parties. What about Nicola
:16:20. > :16:22.Sturgeon's point about leading to a second independence referendum? You
:16:23. > :16:29.could be putting the union you probably want to save by campaigning
:16:30. > :16:47.for an out road. Not at all. I think if people are worried about
:16:48. > :16:51.saving the union because of Nicola Sturgeon's sabre rattling, then they
:16:52. > :16:53.should vote for Scotland to leave the EU because that would bring us
:16:54. > :16:55.closer together. Iain Murray, on that final point, what are your
:16:56. > :16:58.views on a second independence referendum? How would it be if there
:16:59. > :17:01.was Brexit but Scotland voted to stay? I think we should stop talking
:17:02. > :17:05.about process and why we should be an integral part of the EU. Nicola
:17:06. > :17:10.Sturgeon is now arguing about -- for a social and economic union when she
:17:11. > :17:16.was not doing that last year. There is a case for jobs, for growth, for
:17:17. > :17:23.people's livelihoods. Oral and gas, financial lively -- financial
:17:24. > :17:25.services, all depend on a strong membership of the EU. Thank you both
:17:26. > :17:26.very much for joining us. Now, Mr Cameron may say he got
:17:27. > :17:29.a deal in Brussels last week but in the world of Scottish
:17:30. > :17:32.politics, we're still waiting for an agreement on a deal that
:17:33. > :17:35.would underpin the new powers coming Here's Lord Dunlop in the House
:17:36. > :17:49.of Lords this afternoon. The fiscal framework negotiations
:17:50. > :17:54.are at a sensitive and critical point. There have been intensive
:17:55. > :17:59.discussions between the UK and Scottish governments throughout last
:18:00. > :18:02.week. These have continued over the weekend and today. Significant
:18:03. > :18:09.progress has been made and while nothing is ever certain, a deal now
:18:10. > :18:13.seems within reach. Both governments are very conscious of pressing
:18:14. > :18:16.timetables for both this timetable and the Scottish Parliament to be
:18:17. > :18:22.able to scrutinise the fiscal framework before the bill reaches
:18:23. > :18:27.the final and mending stages in this house and also to enable the
:18:28. > :18:32.Scottish Parliament to consider a legislative consent motion. I have a
:18:33. > :18:37.great deal of sympathy with the remarks from many members of this
:18:38. > :18:42.house in relation to the importance of the fiscal framework. It's no
:18:43. > :18:46.exaggeration to say that without it, this entire legislation will fall
:18:47. > :18:50.apart. It's the most important part of the Smith settlement and it is
:18:51. > :18:54.deeply regrettable that here we are at the Parliamentary equivalent of
:18:55. > :18:57.the 11th hour and we still don't know what it is and what is in it.
:18:58. > :18:58.Joining me now is our Westminster Correspondent -
:18:59. > :19:10.The House of Lords earlier today, where are we tonight? The Scotland
:19:11. > :19:15.Bill is still going through Parliament. It has been passed by
:19:16. > :19:19.the comments already. This was a chance to discuss further details.
:19:20. > :19:23.There was frustration that they have not had a chance to scrutinise the
:19:24. > :19:26.fiscal framework. There is still no deal on that front but there has
:19:27. > :19:31.been a more optimistic tone in recent days than we had seen in
:19:32. > :19:39.previous weeks. Behind the scenes, talks have continue today. I
:19:40. > :19:44.understand there was further, conversations at ministerial level.
:19:45. > :19:48.John Swinney was down at the Treasury for talks with Greg Hands,
:19:49. > :19:52.the Chief Secretary to the Treasury. When he came out of those talks he
:19:53. > :19:56.said there were still significant is used to sort out but crucially, both
:19:57. > :20:02.sides were saying that progress had been made. I think one important
:20:03. > :20:06.thing that happened was that George Osborne turned up and try to bridge
:20:07. > :20:13.some of the gaps. Tomorrow is the second deadline that the MSP 's have
:20:14. > :20:18.set. So although we have said it before, time really is running out.
:20:19. > :20:22.As you and I have seen through in the past, often these deals are
:20:23. > :20:28.often quite finely balanced. If you cannot get one part right, the whole
:20:29. > :20:32.deal can collapse. But after the pessimism of recent weeks, it sounds
:20:33. > :20:36.like we are starting to get a more optimistic tone from both sides. It
:20:37. > :20:41.sounds like some of the issue 's have been solved. Is a deal there
:20:42. > :20:48.yet? Not quite, but we are getting there. What exactly is happening,
:20:49. > :20:52.there is a row about the Chief Secretary to the Treasury? MSP is on
:20:53. > :20:56.the devolution committee will quiz Mr Swinney and the Scottish
:20:57. > :20:59.Secretary David Mundell. One of the key criticisms of this the
:21:00. > :21:04.distillation process so far, Alistair Darling made this point in
:21:05. > :21:07.the Lords, is that it has been behind closed doors. We have a rough
:21:08. > :21:12.idea of some of the sticking points but when it comes to the minutiae,
:21:13. > :21:15.we are not sure what the problems. It'll be interesting to see how much
:21:16. > :21:43.detail we get from John Swinney and David Mundell on what
:21:44. > :21:45.the sticking points are, whether they have been bridged and whether
:21:46. > :21:49.we are nearly at the deal or whether there is no prospect of one at all.
:21:50. > :21:51.One man who will not be talking to MSP 's is Greg Hands, Chief
:21:52. > :21:53.Secretary to the Treasury. He has led a lot of the negotiations on
:21:54. > :21:56.behalf of the Scottish Government. He has declined a request to appear
:21:57. > :21:59.for the finance committee later this week. The committee has asked him to
:22:00. > :22:02.reconsider I did the key will be doing that. He's that I don't think
:22:03. > :22:03.he will be doing that. But he will appear before them at some stage. --
:22:04. > :22:05.I don't think he will be doing that. And you can watch extensive coverage
:22:06. > :22:08.of the Devolution Committee from 8:30 tomorrow morning on BBC
:22:09. > :22:10.Scotland's Holyrood Live webpage. Hamish Henderson's songs
:22:11. > :22:12.are still known internationally, but makers of a new documentary felt
:22:13. > :22:15.the man himself was in danger Ahead of tomorrow's world premiere
:22:16. > :22:18.at the Glasgow Film Festival - our arts correspondent
:22:19. > :22:33.Pauline McLean had a preview. He was a poet, a singer and a
:22:34. > :22:38.songwriter who, as well as writing his own, gathered songs from around
:22:39. > :22:45.the country, recording and documenting them and safeguarding
:22:46. > :22:49.them for future generations. They tell their fault with plenty of
:22:50. > :22:53.action stop macro but while the songs were safe, the makers of this
:22:54. > :22:59.film felt that Hamish Henderson himself was in danger of being
:23:00. > :23:03.forgotten. They searched archive including unseen family film and
:23:04. > :23:10.spoke to 22 of his closest friends about the man and his music. One of
:23:11. > :23:13.Hamish's biggest country since the Scottish life was in being involved
:23:14. > :23:20.in setting up the school of Scottish studies in which contains the last
:23:21. > :23:24.glimmerings of the oral tradition of Scottish life. So many aspects have
:23:25. > :23:28.been recorded for posterity and that lives on in the spirit of Celtic
:23:29. > :23:33.connections, one of the biggest winter festivals in the world for
:23:34. > :23:37.music. That this down to Hamish in many respects. He was the standard
:23:38. > :23:47.bearer that allowed that traditional music renaissance in Scotland to
:23:48. > :23:51.happen. This South African singer shared Hamish Henderson's most
:23:52. > :23:58.famous song at the opening of the Commonwealth Games. The makers of
:23:59. > :24:03.Hamish hope their home, which has its world premiere at the Glasgow
:24:04. > :24:06.film Festival tomorrow, we'll do the same for the songwriter.
:24:07. > :24:10.I'm now joined by the author and commentator Dr Gerry Hassan
:24:11. > :24:14.and the health journalist Pennie Taylor.
:24:15. > :24:20.Good evening to you both. Thanks for joining me. Really interesting
:24:21. > :24:26.debates in the European Union and the campaign seems well underway. --
:24:27. > :24:32.interesting debates on the European Union. What you make of the Tory
:24:33. > :24:37.division and hearing about the 1922 committee meeting this evening and
:24:38. > :24:43.telling the Prime Minister to go easy on Boris Johnson? It has been a
:24:44. > :24:47.couple of days of Tory party theatre. Boris Johnson announcing
:24:48. > :24:52.today that he was for the out campaign, and ill kept secret. And
:24:53. > :24:56.today when Cameron laid down the fact that he was so wounded and
:24:57. > :25:00.displeased. This is part of a long-running set of this years.
:25:01. > :25:07.Cameron said a few years ago that he wasn't going to bang on about
:25:08. > :25:14.Europe. -- a long-running set of cracks. Even if this is a win, it be
:25:15. > :25:19.a countdown to the end of David Cameron. He has stuck himself with
:25:20. > :25:24.this. He made an interesting point, he said I'm not up for re-election,
:25:25. > :25:28.a pointed reference to Boris Johnson. Basically saying that the
:25:29. > :25:33.man is out for themselves. I read the Telegraph today where Boris
:25:34. > :25:37.Johnson was saying his piece to the captive audience, the readership of
:25:38. > :25:42.the Daily Telegraph, where he appeared to be aligning himself to
:25:43. > :25:47.Winston Churchill and knocking Brussels as being a representative
:25:48. > :25:52.of a nanny state, which for a man of his background, would have been
:25:53. > :25:56.rather comforting, I would have thought! Labour, speaking to Ian
:25:57. > :26:00.Murray and hearing his argument, where have Labour been in this
:26:01. > :26:06.argument? Jeremy Corbyn added a rough ride in the Commons. He days,
:26:07. > :26:14.and Jeremy Corbyn has not been a front line politician. Pupils at the
:26:15. > :26:19.wrong moment at -- and when he said he had gone to Brussels. And allow
:26:20. > :26:24.the Tories to jump in and save and they ask who are you? There's an
:26:25. > :26:28.absent Labour agenda on social Europe. As the commentator was
:26:29. > :26:33.saying earlier, is give the SNP a big chance. Very few Labour people,
:26:34. > :26:39.maybe only a couple of Labour MPs have gone for the out campaign, but
:26:40. > :26:46.there is and absence of a powerful Labour campaign and agenda. Penny,
:26:47. > :26:49.Kate Hoey is making the point that there is a left-wing argument for
:26:50. > :26:56.leaving but we don't hear that so much in this debate? Maybe it is a
:26:57. > :27:00.Labour tactic to leave it as a fight between Tories and Tories in the
:27:01. > :27:05.south of England, because it strikes me that this feels very distant from
:27:06. > :27:09.the political scene in Scotland. It will be interesting to see how it
:27:10. > :27:14.unfolds over the next few months. Right now, it seems to be something
:27:15. > :27:18.that is happening down there. An interesting point, perhaps the
:27:19. > :27:22.conversation will be different in Scotland. Brian Monteith was saying
:27:23. > :27:25.that there was a democratic deficit, people in Scotland don't have a
:27:26. > :27:32.choice because the main parties support staying in. That is right,
:27:33. > :27:36.but Penny is right as well. UK electoral contests often feel in
:27:37. > :27:40.Scotland because they are happening elsewhere because of Tory England
:27:41. > :27:45.and because we are in a union of 65 million people. England has become a
:27:46. > :27:50.Eurosceptic country and Scotland has more and more become a European
:27:51. > :27:53.country. And our polling shows that about Scotland. But the problem we
:27:54. > :27:58.have is that the European Union, the kind that the Scots want, maybe is
:27:59. > :28:03.not on offer in Europe and certainly is not on offer on the ballot paper
:28:04. > :28:10.because we have two versions of Euroscepticism. It is somebody
:28:11. > :28:16.else's debate. Is very great love of the European Union in Scotland as an
:28:17. > :28:22.institution? Is it something that people don't have an emotional
:28:23. > :28:27.attachment to? I think perhaps there is a greater emotional attachment to
:28:28. > :28:32.Europe in Scotland. The vote will tell that. But interestingly, in the
:28:33. > :28:35.Telegraph today, Boris Johnson seems to be indicating that he didn't
:28:36. > :28:40.think there would be much different between the way England and Scotland
:28:41. > :28:46.vote over this. I think he is wrong. But time will tell. Just before we
:28:47. > :28:55.go, I want to pick up, there will be a new newspaper launch called The
:28:56. > :29:01.New Day. What you make of that? At a time when the Independent has closed
:29:02. > :29:06.its print division. It does seem quite a risky venture, but it is
:29:07. > :29:13.possible for new titles when you have very little journalistic costs,
:29:14. > :29:16.the National being a success there. It daring enterprise. As a
:29:17. > :29:23.journalist, I like to see the launch of a new newspaper. I'm sceptical
:29:24. > :29:29.about its target market. It strikes me that it is going to be aiming at
:29:30. > :29:33.a female market. Personally, as a woman, I would rather see a lots
:29:34. > :29:39.more investigative journalism, which is expensive journalism, then happy
:29:40. > :29:40.stories pulled from the wire. -- than happy stories pulled from the
:29:41. > :29:43.wires. Thank you very much. Shelley will be back
:29:44. > :29:46.at the same time tomorrow. From all of us on the programme,
:29:47. > :30:03.have a good night. Bye for now. Join Steve Backshall
:30:04. > :30:22.on the top of a lost world. I've kept what happened to me
:30:23. > :30:32.buried away for 50 years. I only want to know
:30:33. > :30:34.if he's all right. My guess is that Anthony was adopted
:30:35. > :30:38.and sent to America. She's spent her whole life
:30:39. > :30:45.trying to find him. I just want to talk to you
:30:46. > :30:47.about my son. He was taken from me and I've been
:30:48. > :30:50.looking for him ever since.