:00:07. > :00:08.Now the deal is done, how might the Scottish Government
:00:09. > :00:31.As the dust settles on the financial deal to underpin Holyrood's
:00:32. > :00:36.new powers, how might the Scottish government do things differently?
:00:37. > :00:38.Amnesty International says human rights around the world
:00:39. > :00:47.And ahead of Friday's election, what lessons from the Irish Republic
:00:48. > :00:59.about how its government has dealt with austerity?
:01:00. > :01:01.The agreement struck over Scotland's future funding is an "excellent
:01:02. > :01:05.deal" for those who want to keep the UK together,
:01:06. > :01:11.The Prime Minister challenged the Scottish Government to start
:01:12. > :01:14."talking about policies and decisions rather than processes."
:01:15. > :01:17.First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs at Holyrood there was now
:01:18. > :01:20.an agreement in principal over how Scotland would be funded,
:01:21. > :01:22.which would allow the powers in the Scotland Bill
:01:23. > :01:38.There are of course conflicting visions of what the next Scottish
:01:39. > :01:42.government should do with its shiny new powers. We certainly believe
:01:43. > :01:47.that the government will have the progressive tax powers it needs to
:01:48. > :01:52.undertake some redistribution of wealth. There will be limits, but it
:01:53. > :01:56.will be significant. We don't know what the size of its investment
:01:57. > :01:59.powers will be, but if they are significant then in areas such as
:02:00. > :02:04.housing industry, we will be for those powers to make good on the SNP
:02:05. > :02:10.promised that they want these powers to tackle austerity. There is not a
:02:11. > :02:15.huge tax base in Scotland and there is a risk if rates are too high, we
:02:16. > :02:21.will lose people and capital. It's the last thing we need. What we need
:02:22. > :02:24.to do is find a way of lowering taxes, constraining spending and
:02:25. > :02:29.making Scotland re industrialised and grow itself out faster than
:02:30. > :02:34.before. It is a racing certainty that the SNP will form the next
:02:35. > :02:39.government, so what does it look like they will do? They have set
:02:40. > :02:45.themselves a fairly stiff test over tax rises. It seems to be based on
:02:46. > :02:51.the percentage rise in people's tax bills. That would allow them to
:02:52. > :02:58.impose a one, two, three tax rise. Adding 1p to basic rate and 3p to
:02:59. > :03:03.the additional rate at the top. They could do that within their own
:03:04. > :03:07.benchmark. The question is, will they do that? That leaves opposition
:03:08. > :03:11.parties free to make promises, knowing they will not have to keep
:03:12. > :03:16.them, in order to distinguish themselves from the SNP approach. I
:03:17. > :03:23.think Labour is sincere in proposing a 1p income tax rise, they are
:03:24. > :03:35.insane -- they are sincere in wanting to protect public spending.
:03:36. > :03:38.I think you are right. Where the polls are shows that Labour
:03:39. > :03:42.particularly has a little bit more freedom to be a little bit more
:03:43. > :03:49.daring. The Westminster government may be hoping their will be traps
:03:50. > :03:56.for the SNP as they start to exercise more and more power. It is
:03:57. > :03:59.difficult for a party that commands 50% support to narrowly define
:04:00. > :04:07.itself politically. We know the SNP is a wrought church. These new
:04:08. > :04:15.powers will undoubtedly test some of that and I would imagine create new
:04:16. > :04:19.dynamics within the party. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but it
:04:20. > :04:23.is something we can expect. Under this proposal, there will not be a
:04:24. > :04:28.single penny of detriment to the Scottish budget. We do know because
:04:29. > :04:33.John Swinney told us that Scotland's economic forecasts will be produced
:04:34. > :04:36.by an independent fiscal commission, not Scottish ministers. The most
:04:37. > :04:41.important thing is for the fiscal commission to have an independent
:04:42. > :04:46.body that tells us as taxpayers what will happen if tax rates change and
:04:47. > :04:49.that is important. It is the one thing that will bring confidence to
:04:50. > :04:54.those who want to invest in Scotland to put their capital on the ground
:04:55. > :04:59.here. That is very important. It creates jobs and growth that we
:05:00. > :05:03.need. But a lot of the most contentious stuff about how the deal
:05:04. > :05:08.is working has been kicked into the long grass. There will be a review
:05:09. > :05:10.Huw Williams reporting. end of the story.
:05:11. > :05:13.Joining me are a pair of professors who have had very different views
:05:14. > :05:16.in the course of the negotiations about the fairest method
:05:17. > :05:19.With me in the studio is Professor Anton Muscatelli,
:05:20. > :05:21.and from our London studio, Professor Jim Gallagher.
:05:22. > :05:34.Good evening. Good evening. Professor Muscatelli, what do you
:05:35. > :05:40.think of the deal that has been struck? I think it is a good deal
:05:41. > :05:44.for Scotland and the rest of the UK. It is a good deal because of the
:05:45. > :05:51.risk of no detriment which I spoke about during negotiations, it does
:05:52. > :05:55.not have a detriment, but it will allow us to see how it works over
:05:56. > :05:59.five or six years. From the point of view of the rest of the UK, the
:06:00. > :06:04.other affects which some people have highlighted as potential problems
:06:05. > :06:09.with the method will not be that big over that period of time, given the
:06:10. > :06:14.path of fiscal spending and taxation in the rest of the UK. It is a good
:06:15. > :06:18.deal for the both and gives stability and transparency in terms
:06:19. > :06:23.of what might be happening under the different formulae. It's not exactly
:06:24. > :06:26.what you argued for though? It produces the same result by a
:06:27. > :06:31.different route. It is important that we have an independent review
:06:32. > :06:41.instead of the default position at the end of the period in 21-22. Jim
:06:42. > :06:45.Gallagher in London, would you have been happy with a deal like this if
:06:46. > :06:54.he were Chancellor? If I have been Chancellor, I would be meaner. From
:06:55. > :06:59.the point of view of Scotland, it is a good deal. Professor Muscatelli,
:07:00. > :07:08.what do you think it was that made the Treasury barge and give this
:07:09. > :07:13.good deal to Scotland? There was a need to come to a deal. One issue
:07:14. > :07:19.that could not be forgotten if one believes the reports in the media,
:07:20. > :07:27.once the negotiation was down to a detriment of 3.5 billion, or 2.5
:07:28. > :07:32.billion and modified deduction, per year that is a big element of the
:07:33. > :07:37.Scottish budget, but it is not a huge element of the UK budget. That
:07:38. > :07:42.might have been the issue. Let us see how it works practice and that
:07:43. > :07:48.might have been beeping that triggered the agreement in the end.
:07:49. > :07:52.Do you think, Professor Gallagher, that the Treasury will want to take
:07:53. > :07:57.away the safety net that has been negotiated after five years? We will
:07:58. > :08:03.have to see in five or six years. Who knows? In the end the issue is
:08:04. > :08:07.not so much the detail of the deal, but the fact the deal has been done
:08:08. > :08:10.and the new powers will be available and that the Scottish parliament
:08:11. > :08:15.will have choices now that it does not have today, and it will have
:08:16. > :08:20.responsibilities that it does not have today. It will be able to
:08:21. > :08:24.pursue, if it wants to, a different course from the rest of the UK. That
:08:25. > :08:27.is the thing that matters. How do you think they might use these new
:08:28. > :08:32.powers and how could it help the economy grow? It is not just about
:08:33. > :08:39.growing the economy, although that is important, but investment and
:08:40. > :08:47.borrowing. They have spending powers they can invest in education and
:08:48. > :08:53.training, but they also have choices. Do they wanted protect
:08:54. > :08:58.public services and pay for them, or do they want to cut taxes and public
:08:59. > :09:06.spending? What they can't do any more is said or the responsibility
:09:07. > :09:10.for cuts belongs somewhere else. This is fiscal responsibility is
:09:11. > :09:15.sitting on Holyrood's desk. There are new powers, Professor
:09:16. > :09:24.Muscatelli. Will they help Scotland's economy grow? It's also
:09:25. > :09:27.about choices, not just the economy. I think given the nature of the
:09:28. > :09:33.powers they have been given, there will be different choices and that
:09:34. > :09:38.is a positive thing. So which of the powers might be the most important
:09:39. > :09:44.in the coming years? The biggest powers are around income tax because
:09:45. > :09:51.that is a devolved tax. It raises just under ?11 billion. There are
:09:52. > :09:57.freedoms to move the thresholds. That might be the one along with
:09:58. > :10:02.differential spending around welfare that will change. On the welfare
:10:03. > :10:08.side you might be able to degrade labour markets and grow the economy.
:10:09. > :10:13.What about this new independent fiscal commission that was mentioned
:10:14. > :10:19.in our reports. How important do you think it will be? I think it matters
:10:20. > :10:23.a lot. We see this everywhere, it is not just the Scottish thing.
:10:24. > :10:27.Governments need to be kept honest. We need to know that when they are
:10:28. > :10:34.making their fiscal choices they are not hoping for the best, they are
:10:35. > :10:38.doing the best possible with the yield of taxes. This will be
:10:39. > :10:43.particularly important for the Scottish government because up until
:10:44. > :10:48.now they have not had much to worry about in terms of tax issues. They
:10:49. > :10:53.have relied on Westminster to send the check. Now they have to think
:10:54. > :10:57.about how the money comes in, how it is collected, what the choices are,
:10:58. > :11:01.how people will behave when they make different decisions. A system
:11:02. > :11:07.under which someone is overseeing them independently will be good for
:11:08. > :11:11.them and everybody. OK. There we must leave it for now. Thank you
:11:12. > :11:14.both are coming in, Anton Muscatelli and Jim Gallagher.
:11:15. > :11:16.After a noisy debate at Holyrood, MSPs have voted to support
:11:17. > :11:18.the Scottish Government's budget for the year ahead.
:11:19. > :11:21.The Finance Secretary John Swinney announced extra cash for pupils
:11:22. > :11:22.from disadvantaged backgrounds and said his overall package
:11:23. > :11:29.But opponents said the new money was "window dressing" in the face
:11:30. > :11:39.Here's our political editor Brian Taylor.
:11:40. > :11:49.Back in Paris with the tension over fiscal deals, today pose backstage
:11:50. > :11:52.three debate was a little tame, but there was real debate there. There
:11:53. > :11:59.was genuine argument between the parties and there was substance.
:12:00. > :12:04.Swinney announced extra money for rate relief for industrial premises.
:12:05. > :12:10.John Swinney also announcing more money for Scotland's disadvantaged
:12:11. > :12:14.pupils. There was a substantive debate over tax, of course. Both
:12:15. > :12:21.Labour and the Liberal Democrats adjusting 1p on taxation across all
:12:22. > :12:27.income tax will pay for education. John Swinney said no to that and
:12:28. > :12:31.that he was defending in the process hard-pressed families. Big debate
:12:32. > :12:36.there, backwards and forwards. There was also a debate on the impact of
:12:37. > :12:43.cuts on public services. Claims that have been made about public sector
:12:44. > :12:48.implement have been exaggerated. In the last 12 months the number of
:12:49. > :12:56.jobs lost in the public sector in Scotland, in the devolved public
:12:57. > :13:01.sector, has been 500. 0.1% of public sector employment when implement in
:13:02. > :13:07.Scotland has risen by over 20,000 jobs. The terrible toll of these
:13:08. > :13:15.cuts are there in black and white and the budgets have been passed
:13:16. > :13:25.with heavy hearts. 170 jobs were lost in Angers. That Mac in Angus.
:13:26. > :13:33.Across Scotland thousands of workers losing their jobs, cleaners, supply
:13:34. > :13:41.teachers, early years staff. In the vote the SNP were sufficient to
:13:42. > :13:44.overwhelm all of the parties, but today's votes, argument,
:13:45. > :13:46.discussions, they form a rehearsal for the arguments to come in the
:13:47. > :13:50.Scottish elections in May. Amnesty International
:13:51. > :13:52.today released its annual State Of The World human rights
:13:53. > :13:54.report, looking at the situation And it's a pretty
:13:55. > :13:58.depressing picture. It calculated more than 60 million
:13:59. > :14:00.people have been displaced More than 30 countries illegally
:14:01. > :14:06.forced refugees to return to countries where they
:14:07. > :14:09.would be in danger. Armed groups committed human rights
:14:10. > :14:13.abuses in at least 36 countries. 133 restricted freedom
:14:14. > :14:17.of expression and the press. And over 122 countries tortured
:14:18. > :14:23.or otherwise ill-treated people. It's not all bleak though -
:14:24. > :14:26.20 countries have passed laws recognising same sex
:14:27. > :14:28.marriages and relationships. We can speak now to Naomi McAuliffe
:14:29. > :14:31.from Amnesty Scotland in Edinburgh. Naomi, the UK government came
:14:32. > :14:52.in for some criticism, too. It says that Britain is setting a
:14:53. > :14:57.dangerous precedent by undermining human rights, in what way? Being
:14:58. > :15:02.able to have the annual report of all of the countries in the world,
:15:03. > :15:09.we can look at key scenes coming out, key trends worldwide. Some of
:15:10. > :15:14.those include repression of free speech, freedom of expression in the
:15:15. > :15:18.name of national security, it includes undermining human rights
:15:19. > :15:24.institutions at national, regional and global level, the treatment of
:15:25. > :15:30.refugees and huge mass surveillance that is going on. A lot of these
:15:31. > :15:34.trends are mirrored in the UK. We have a government committed to
:15:35. > :15:39.repeal the Human Rights Act which is undermining the European Convention
:15:40. > :15:44.on human rights and European court. We have mass surveillance in the UK,
:15:45. > :15:49.bulk surveillance as the intelligence services call it, and a
:15:50. > :15:53.new Investigatory Powers Bill that will go further than that. You
:15:54. > :15:59.really think it is something people ought to be concerned about? I think
:16:00. > :16:04.so. Looking at the papers people will see what is going on in the
:16:05. > :16:11.world. We have a refugee crisis as big as the Second World War, we have
:16:12. > :16:16.conflicts in Syria and Yemen. Where we have seen thousands of civilians
:16:17. > :16:22.killed. Again, the UK is implicated. They have a role in that billions of
:16:23. > :16:27.pounds of export licences have been given to Saudi Arabia which has
:16:28. > :16:34.included combat aircraft and bombs so there is a UK role. The Foreign
:16:35. > :16:37.Office gave ?10.6 million to projects last year and they are
:16:38. > :16:43.doing quite a lot around the world, aren't they? There are good pockets
:16:44. > :16:50.of work and when we talk about sera we recognise -- Syria, we recognise
:16:51. > :16:57.aid going to camps in Syria. At the same time, some of the rhetoric
:16:58. > :17:01.around human rights coming from Westminster is undermining a lot of
:17:02. > :17:05.institutions such as the Council of Europe will stop it affects ordinary
:17:06. > :17:10.people within Scotland and the UK who depend on the Human Rights Act
:17:11. > :17:16.and it affects those in countries covered by the European Court, such
:17:17. > :17:22.as Russia, where families of victims of for example the bezel and
:17:23. > :17:31.massacre, their only access to justice is through the European
:17:32. > :17:33.Court -- Beslan. Thank you for joining us.
:17:34. > :17:36.Voters in the Irish Republic go to the polls on Friday in a general
:17:37. > :17:38.election that's shaping up to be quite a contest.
:17:39. > :17:42.Prime Minister Enda Kenny hopes to become the first leader
:17:43. > :17:44.of an austerity government in the eurozone to win
:17:45. > :17:49.But, if the polls are anything to go by, that's looking
:17:50. > :17:53.Just before we came on air, I spoke by video link
:17:54. > :18:01.to the political correspondent of the Irish Times, Harry McGee.
:18:02. > :18:07.Could this selection be more exciting than the one in five years
:18:08. > :18:12.ago? I don't think it will be more exciting because the one in five
:18:13. > :18:16.years ago was an exceptional collection by any yardstick. Fianna
:18:17. > :18:21.Fail, which had been the governing party the most of the history of the
:18:22. > :18:26.state since the 30s, collapsed entirely on the back of a
:18:27. > :18:31.spectacular collapse of the banking and property industry and Ireland
:18:32. > :18:35.went into deep recession and had to have international help from the
:18:36. > :18:41.European Commission and IMF and it was put into a bailout programme.
:18:42. > :18:47.Support for Fianna Fail, traditionally the biggest party in
:18:48. > :18:52.Ireland, collapsed completely and a new regime, a coalition between the
:18:53. > :18:57.second biggest party, Fine Gael, centre-right, and the Labour Party,
:18:58. > :19:01.came into power with a huge majority. They have taken the
:19:02. > :19:07.country out of recession and the IMF and European Commission have gone
:19:08. > :19:13.away. The growth in the economy is at a staggering 5.5, 6%.
:19:14. > :19:22.Unemployment falling from 15% down to 8%. They are struggling to retain
:19:23. > :19:26.popular support. Though not as exciting as five years ago, it is an
:19:27. > :19:31.intriguing election in prospect when people go to the polls on Friday.
:19:32. > :19:39.Why are they knocked a dead cert to win on Friday? By -- neither party
:19:40. > :19:44.is particularly loved by the electorate, and the reason is they
:19:45. > :19:49.overpromised before coming to power in 2011. There were those parties
:19:50. > :19:56.who wanted to take power and some promised things that could not be
:19:57. > :20:01.achieved, as opposed to the old cliche of campaigning in poetry and
:20:02. > :20:06.governing in prose came into effect. They promised that they would be
:20:07. > :20:10.able to reach you some of the large debt accumulated by the state and
:20:11. > :20:16.were not able to make good on promises. They made good on a lot of
:20:17. > :20:21.promises, waving goodbye to the IMF and EU and bailout, and they have
:20:22. > :20:27.steered the economy back to growth. The other thing going against them,
:20:28. > :20:33.even though growth is felt at a macro level, it has not filtered
:20:34. > :20:36.down to ordinary people, those who would be struggling on low and
:20:37. > :20:41.middle incomes and even though they are told a recovery is under way,
:20:42. > :20:44.they are not feeling it yet and I think they are taking out their
:20:45. > :20:51.resentment against the incumbent government. Would you care to
:20:52. > :20:57.predict the result? I think we will be left with a messy situation that
:20:58. > :21:03.we have not seen before in an Irish context. We have proportional
:21:04. > :21:07.representation in much the same way as the National Assembly in Scotland
:21:08. > :21:12.and even though parties are allotted a fair proportion in terms of their
:21:13. > :21:15.percentage support among the populace, it sometimes leaves a
:21:16. > :21:22.fudge in terms of government formation. At this moment if you
:21:23. > :21:28.believe the polls, no single party, no combination of parties that have
:21:29. > :21:34.made alliances, looked like they will be near having a majority. You
:21:35. > :21:39.could have a minority Fine Gael government but a long way short of a
:21:40. > :21:42.majority it requires all the unthinkable, coalition between the
:21:43. > :21:48.traditional parties, Fine Gael and Fianna Fail. I do not and that will
:21:49. > :21:52.happen will stop the likely scenario is a minority government but an
:21:53. > :21:55.unstable one and we may have an election within the next 12 months.
:21:56. > :21:58.We will see what happens. Joining me now to discuss the rest
:21:59. > :22:01.of the day's news is editor of the Big Issue, Paul McNamee,
:22:02. > :22:14.and Scottish political editor Welcome. Listening to that, do you
:22:15. > :22:22.think there are any lessons to be drawn from Ireland's experience in
:22:23. > :22:27.dealing with austerity? It is tricky to take anything from the Irish
:22:28. > :22:33.political situation. I lived on the island of Ireland for the first 18
:22:34. > :22:37.years of my life and the political system in the Republic always left
:22:38. > :22:42.me baffled. In terms of how they cut hard and quickly, yet it does not
:22:43. > :22:46.seem to have damaged the ruling establishment government is
:22:47. > :22:54.interesting because it seems to go against the received wisdom in other
:22:55. > :22:59.places where a non-establishment voices rising up, certainly Jeremy
:23:00. > :23:02.Corbyn in Britain and perhaps Donald Trump in America. Interesting
:23:03. > :23:13.establishment has remained despite making cuts. The SNP got its budget
:23:14. > :23:18.passed today in Holyrood and without refusing to bow to demands over a
:23:19. > :23:24.penny on income tax. I wonder whether you think extra taxes have
:23:25. > :23:27.made the government unpopular there, maybe something John Swinney is
:23:28. > :23:32.having an eye on when he thinks how to campaign in this election will
:23:33. > :23:36.stop what was interesting the way the budget was passed at Holyrood,
:23:37. > :23:42.it happened inside Parliament while outside there was a massive protest
:23:43. > :23:46.among unions saying that because of spending decisions John Swinney has
:23:47. > :23:51.made there have been cuts to council funding and jobs are being lost and
:23:52. > :23:56.already we are seeing a reaction against the SNP we have not seen.
:23:57. > :24:01.Going to the May election, John Swinney will have more powers and
:24:02. > :24:06.will be able to do things with income tax and labour and the Lib
:24:07. > :24:11.Dems have put forward policies where they would raise a penny in income
:24:12. > :24:15.tax and John Swinney rejected that, so it will be fascinating to see
:24:16. > :24:21.what position he will take stop until now he has been able to be all
:24:22. > :24:26.things to all people but he has hard decisions coming up. You could argue
:24:27. > :24:32.it is easy to say you want to raise taxes if you have no chance of being
:24:33. > :24:38.elected. How do you think the SNP position has played in the polls?
:24:39. > :24:43.Everything suggests they will not be damaged and they will strengthen
:24:44. > :24:50.their hand in the May election. It was raised earlier with a
:24:51. > :24:56.commentator that the SNP now, they have to show they are a ruling party
:24:57. > :24:58.with controls. If we talk about austerity, they cannot blame
:24:59. > :25:07.Westminster any more when they have got some control and fiscal levers.
:25:08. > :25:13.For instance, cuts to local councils, they cannot keep saying
:25:14. > :25:18.this is the right thing to do, jobs have been damaged, when they could
:25:19. > :25:23.do something about lifting council tax, stopping the freeze, which
:25:24. > :25:29.looks politically motivated, and talking then properly about income
:25:30. > :25:33.tax. All parties were against lifting the council tax. We are not
:25:34. > :25:39.clear what all parties will do about council tax although we had a report
:25:40. > :25:44.from the local tax commission that said the council tax is discredited
:25:45. > :25:46.and we need a new system. Nicola Sturgeon will bring forward
:25:47. > :25:53.proposals next week but it looks like it will retain a sick African
:25:54. > :25:59.element of a reformed council tax. Moving on to Prime Minister's
:26:00. > :26:02.Questions and a personal attack by David Cameron on the Labour leader
:26:03. > :26:07.Jeremy Corbyn during a question on the health service, and Mr Cameron
:26:08. > :26:13.was heckled to ask his mother because she signed a letter opposing
:26:14. > :26:19.cuts to children's centres. It is vital. Asked my mother? I
:26:20. > :26:24.think she would look across the despatch box and say put on a proper
:26:25. > :26:33.suit, do up your tie and sing the national anthem! Mr Speaker, if we
:26:34. > :26:38.are talking of motherly advice, my late mother would have said, stand
:26:39. > :26:43.up for the principle of a health service free at the point of use for
:26:44. > :26:47.everybody. What do you make of the tone of
:26:48. > :26:54.David Cameron's comments? He looks wild. I dressed tonight like I was
:26:55. > :27:01.going to a French jazz bar in protest. That was at the tie and
:27:02. > :27:06.jacket gag. It looked like it was said in temper but as he started to
:27:07. > :27:11.say it he could see the cogs working and you could see him thinking, this
:27:12. > :27:19.will do me no harm, it plays to the idea he is a true Englishman and
:27:20. > :27:31.conservative, with the EU, and having its best interests at heart.
:27:32. > :27:38.It also says that he does not go to Jermyn Street to get suited up, but
:27:39. > :27:41.he didn't. It is supposed to be about authenticity, is power
:27:42. > :27:48.dressing something voters care about? We are at an interesting
:27:49. > :27:52.point. For the last decade it has been all about image, as we have
:27:53. > :27:55.turned to 24-hour media the politicians are supposed to look
:27:56. > :28:00.good in front of the camera. One reason Jeremy Corbyn was elected is
:28:01. > :28:05.he is seen as authentic and a man of the people. The people who put him
:28:06. > :28:12.in charge of the party knows that he dresses in a a bit too big for him
:28:13. > :28:18.and look slightly shambolic and that is who they are elected and they are
:28:19. > :28:24.happy with him. And tonight, glamour with music stars out in force for
:28:25. > :28:32.the Brit Awards. Adele won British single of the year for Hello and was
:28:33. > :28:38.named best solo artist. Justin Bieber also won. The awards have
:28:39. > :28:49.been criticised for failing to reflect diversity. Is that fair?
:28:50. > :28:54.There were a number of non-white faces but it probably is something
:28:55. > :28:57.of a criticism but I do not know if that reflects people voting or those
:28:58. > :29:02.who have risen to the top in contemporary British music. Do you
:29:03. > :29:07.think it is bland and safe, not what the kids are into these days?
:29:08. > :29:08.Without knowing what the kids are into