:00:00. > :00:32.The BBC says it wants to make news more relevant to its
:00:33. > :00:38.How much demand is there for a Scottish Six?
:00:39. > :00:40.After last year's T in the Park was marred by problems,
:00:41. > :00:47.what lessons has boss Geoff Ellis learned?
:00:48. > :00:53.Last year, we fell short, but this year we are confident we will have a
:00:54. > :00:54.wonderful event that everybody can really enjoy.
:00:55. > :00:57.And a Glasgow couple who escaped from Nazi Germany tell us
:00:58. > :01:06.what they think about the current refugee crisis.
:01:07. > :01:09."An hour of UK, Scottish and international news,
:01:10. > :01:12.edited and presented in Scotland, to shape the day's news in a way
:01:13. > :01:20.So why does the proposal for a Scottish Six O'Clock News
:01:21. > :01:23.continue to cause the BBC angst, 17 years after the idea
:01:24. > :01:29.Bosses were forced today to confirm they ARE to run off-air
:01:30. > :01:31.pilots for a Scottish Six, after plans were
:01:32. > :01:37.But the BBC's own research suggests that viewers are decidedly lukewarm
:01:38. > :01:41.Thanks to the magic of tv, Huw Williams takes us
:01:42. > :01:57.That's all from the BBC's news at six. It is goodbye from me and on
:01:58. > :02:03.BBC One we can now join the BBC's news teams where you are. Tonight on
:02:04. > :02:07.reporting Scotland... Things are different in Scotland and getting
:02:08. > :02:12.more different. But the complaint is that too many stories on BBC One's
:02:13. > :02:15.six o'clock News simply do not reflect that. With devolution and
:02:16. > :02:22.with increasing powers through the years for the Scottish Parliament,
:02:23. > :02:26.more areas of domestic policy are devolved Scotland and more stories
:02:27. > :02:31.that appear on the UK news are not relevant here. For example, junior
:02:32. > :02:35.doctors strike coming up in England is obviously not a strike in
:02:36. > :02:40.Scotland. That is a problem for the audience when they see something on
:02:41. > :02:44.the main news at six o'clock that doesn't apply in Scotland. BBC
:02:45. > :02:49.bosses have appeared before MSP is to answer questions and outline
:02:50. > :02:54.future plans for Scotland. I want the director for Scotland to have
:02:55. > :02:58.more power to decide the services that the people of Scotland want for
:02:59. > :03:03.Scotland. No-macro the director general of the BBC appeared before
:03:04. > :03:06.the education committee to give evidence and he said there has to be
:03:07. > :03:11.improvements, there has to be a change to the level of the detail of
:03:12. > :03:15.news and current affairs available here in Scotland. If the
:03:16. > :03:20.director-general recognises that things that have to improve, who am
:03:21. > :03:25.I to argue? The paper outlining the plan says millions of pounds need to
:03:26. > :03:29.be spent to make BBC Scotland's News is good enough to be part of a
:03:30. > :03:34.so-called Scottish Six. Does the new boss think it isn't good enough now?
:03:35. > :03:39.To serve the audience? I think the journalism we produce across all our
:03:40. > :03:42.platforms here is excellent, but there are areas where we could be
:03:43. > :03:50.stronger and with a bit of investment, we can begin to put some
:03:51. > :03:54.of that right. The short answer is yes, at the moment, without millions
:03:55. > :03:58.of pounds of investment, your department is short-changing the
:03:59. > :04:01.audience in Scotland. I think we produce very good journalism across
:04:02. > :04:05.all our programmes and the website, as well, at the moment. But I think
:04:06. > :04:11.it is the case, what we do could always be better in whatever part of
:04:12. > :04:14.news you are looking at, and I would welcome the opportunity for some
:04:15. > :04:19.investment to help us with these issues, particularly of relevance.
:04:20. > :04:24.The union that represents BBC Scotland's generalists agrees. We
:04:25. > :04:28.have campaigned for years or more staffing for news in Scotland. In
:04:29. > :04:32.2014, BBC management never really discussed the detail of how they
:04:33. > :04:36.would recover it the referendum -- cover the referendum and other major
:04:37. > :04:39.events. This caused problems. Staffing levels were insufficient.
:04:40. > :04:42.At least now they appear to be recognising that there needs to be
:04:43. > :04:46.massive investment and we welcome the investment and welcome the
:04:47. > :04:49.additional jobs. There is some suggestion that the current BBC
:04:50. > :04:54.Scotland staff could not handle a Scottish Six or an extended news. I
:04:55. > :05:01.think they could with additional resources. But do the audience
:05:02. > :05:06.actually want a Scottish Six? I think everybody wants to see a
:05:07. > :05:08.high-quality production from the BBC in Scotland. News and current
:05:09. > :05:12.affairs as part of that package. It is important is that we get the
:05:13. > :05:15.highest level of news output and current affairs, not just about and
:05:16. > :05:19.from Scotland, but reflecting Scotland to the world. More
:05:20. > :05:22.importantly nicking sure we cover the UK, cover Europe and world
:05:23. > :05:26.affairs. It cannot be programmed just about Scotland, that is not
:05:27. > :05:31.what anyone wants to see. We want to see a proper programme giving all
:05:32. > :05:35.the news from the to Scotland, but produced here in Scotland,
:05:36. > :05:40.high-quality jobs, and more importantly, showing what a BBC
:05:41. > :05:43.Scotland can do. The BBC says if the plans get the go-ahead, it will be
:05:44. > :05:45.at least a year before the Scottish Six goes on air.
:05:46. > :05:48.Joining me now to talk about this are two former BBC Scotland
:05:49. > :05:52.journalists - the Labour MSP Ken Macintosh, and in our Dundee
:05:53. > :05:53.studio, the broadcaster Lesley Riddoch.
:05:54. > :06:08.Good evening. Ken, the proposal is an hour of UK, Scottish and
:06:09. > :06:11.international news, edited, presented in Scotland to shape the
:06:12. > :06:15.day's news in a way that is relevant to the Scottish audience. What is
:06:16. > :06:22.wrong with that? On the face nothing. I welcome the investment
:06:23. > :06:27.that this will mean in facilities and staff here in BBC Scotland.
:06:28. > :06:33.Hopefully improved output in Scotland. It might mean the loss of
:06:34. > :06:37.UK coverage of national and international news. At the moment,
:06:38. > :06:41.we have an hour of Scottish and national and international news, the
:06:42. > :06:46.six o'clock News and Ben Reporting Scotland. I think we can make
:06:47. > :06:51.improvements, but I don't need my news read with a Scottish accent. In
:06:52. > :06:55.the first half-hour, there is often lots of stories in the National
:06:56. > :06:57.network news that have no relevance to Scotland. There may be
:06:58. > :07:02.occasionally somewhat less relevance. They are not of no
:07:03. > :07:08.relevance. If the main story of the day is David Cameron negotiation of
:07:09. > :07:12.the EU. I would like to hear people from Westerners are telling us what
:07:13. > :07:16.is happening. I don't want to wait until she has done a national
:07:17. > :07:21.problem and then have our editorial choices become second to theirs. If
:07:22. > :07:24.it is John Simpson on the refugee crisis or Gavin in Washington, or
:07:25. > :07:28.whatever, I would like it to be the best person, the main person, giving
:07:29. > :07:34.us the news as it happens because it is the most important item, not the
:07:35. > :07:38.second choice. Isn't that a fair point, Leslie? I just don't know
:07:39. > :07:46.where Ken has been for the last 20, 30 years. Newspapers in Scotland
:07:47. > :07:50.have been blending news, international, national, local news
:07:51. > :07:54.on a daily basis for the Scotsman's case, nearly 200 years. Radio
:07:55. > :08:00.Scotland has been doing this exact job for about 30 to 40 years and the
:08:01. > :08:04.planet hasn't exploded. Nothing has come off its hinges. When Ken is
:08:05. > :08:09.talking about the example of wanting to know what is really going on in
:08:10. > :08:12.Europe, wanting to hear people talking, actually, it is quite
:08:13. > :08:16.possible to manage to have that because that is exactly how radio
:08:17. > :08:20.operates now. It might be a different position in the running
:08:21. > :08:23.order, but it is more important point. Laura bed might be talking
:08:24. > :08:28.about what is deemed to be the most important thing in from London
:08:29. > :08:31.perspective, but perhaps there are fishery talks going on at the same
:08:32. > :08:34.time which really matter. Perhaps there are energy talks which really
:08:35. > :08:38.matter to Scotland, which we hear nothing about at the moment because
:08:39. > :08:42.we don't have our own perspective, our own people and our own control
:08:43. > :08:47.over what the news agenda is. It is not just about a Scot reading the
:08:48. > :08:52.news. That doesn't matter one iota, the nationality of who is reading
:08:53. > :08:56.the news. What matters is the outlook that is developed by the
:08:57. > :09:02.people who are in control of telling Scots what is important in their
:09:03. > :09:07.lives that day. Ken, this is about relevance, what would change with a
:09:08. > :09:12.Scottish Six. It isn't, Lesley gave the game away, it is about
:09:13. > :09:18.controlling the agenda. Is it not reflecting an agenda to the Scottish
:09:19. > :09:23.people? From what I understand, what we are talking about is this is
:09:24. > :09:29.reflecting the same items, or most of them, international news items,
:09:30. > :09:33.so Donald Trump, or Syrian refugees or whatever, and national news
:09:34. > :09:38.items, events in Europe and the UK, across the UK, Wales, Northern
:09:39. > :09:42.Ireland. We still live in the UK, it matters to me what happens in the
:09:43. > :09:49.rest of the UK. These things are already on our news. When Laura
:09:50. > :09:53.reads the news, she doesn't do so from a London perspective, she does
:09:54. > :10:03.so with the impartiality and the authority of the BBC. Impartial and
:10:04. > :10:07.objective. She has she has a few minutes to something 's up and in a
:10:08. > :10:12.few things -- in a few minutes, some things are in and some are out. That
:10:13. > :10:15.is why we have Scottish newspapers, otherwise why don't we read
:10:16. > :10:19.wall-to-wall with newspapers from Fleet Street. Lesley, there is a
:10:20. > :10:24.lack of enthusiasm according to the BBC's own research from the audience
:10:25. > :10:28.to this idea. They have expressed concern it would simply be a longer
:10:29. > :10:32.version of Reporting Scotland. Their view was that it was of lower
:10:33. > :10:37.quality than what is produced by the network. Do you think that is a
:10:38. > :10:42.valid concern? I think there is an issue that if you have always
:10:43. > :10:45.followed what is seen to be the proper news, and there is a
:10:46. > :10:50.tremendous power that James Robertson has performed, 47,000
:10:51. > :10:55.views on YouTube of it, the news where you are, which tries to tackle
:10:56. > :11:02.that patronising moment where everything that is of real value is
:11:03. > :11:06.ended and something that is only of local importance begins. If you have
:11:07. > :11:11.been on the receiving end or the production and that local news, it
:11:12. > :11:17.is very hard to aspire in a kind of way that other small countries, or
:11:18. > :11:22.even regions like Catalonia with 11 TV stations, never mind having one
:11:23. > :11:27.solitary bulletin produced from the height of its capital, or Iceland, a
:11:28. > :11:31.population of 250,000 people, with 11 channels. That is the kind of
:11:32. > :11:37.ambition that lifts your head and gets the kind of really ambitious,
:11:38. > :11:41.dangerous perhaps risky, lateral thinking that I would expect to see
:11:42. > :11:46.from people who know they are the centre of their world, not at the
:11:47. > :11:50.periphery of it. Your ambition for Scotland is to have Icelandic TV
:11:51. > :11:54.instead of the BBC? This is staggering. This is one of the best
:11:55. > :11:57.news services. One of the most trusted news services in the world,
:11:58. > :12:01.one of the best broadcasters in the whole world, and you want to give it
:12:02. > :12:10.up for Icelandic TV. This is laughable. You think this is
:12:11. > :12:15.politically motivated, that is your suspicion? There are some who have
:12:16. > :12:21.political motivations, there is no doubt. The feel of this is that we
:12:22. > :12:25.can improve the service available to us. We can invest in BBC Scotland
:12:26. > :12:29.and BBC current affairs, but we don't have to give up our national
:12:30. > :12:34.UK coverage. We don't have to give it up to have more Scottish
:12:35. > :12:37.coverage. I wonder: Lesley, if one of the more striking things out of
:12:38. > :12:42.this report is even the least expensive option, to enhance the
:12:43. > :12:46.current offering, would require an extra ?3.5 million. What does that
:12:47. > :12:54.tell you about what is on offer at the moment? At the risk of sounding
:12:55. > :12:59.like a hostile guest, it tells you that a lot of the machinery sitting
:13:00. > :13:03.in the Dundee studio has not been updated in my entire career of 30
:13:04. > :13:08.years. It tells you that we really are not even trying to get radio
:13:09. > :13:11.Scotland reflected well within Scotland, because so much of the
:13:12. > :13:15.output is taken from Glasgow studios. If we are really going to
:13:16. > :13:21.get talking about what it is to produce something for what can's
:13:22. > :13:24.party describes as a powerhouse parliament, now we have the powers
:13:25. > :13:28.of taxation and all sorts of new powers, of course it means we need
:13:29. > :13:32.to have a kind of broadcasting confidence and an infrastructure and
:13:33. > :13:39.leadership above all in management that reflects all of that. I would
:13:40. > :13:44.hope that, yes, a lot of the existing staff would have an input
:13:45. > :13:49.into this. For example, BBC Alba have been producing award-winning
:13:50. > :13:53.programmes for about a decade that tackle the whole of Europe from a
:13:54. > :13:57.particular perspective of just 60,000 Gaelic speakers. How much
:13:58. > :14:01.more exciting would it be if Scots as a whole were having a focus? We
:14:02. > :14:01.will have to leave it there. Thank you very much.
:14:02. > :14:05.The promoter of T in the Park, Geoff Ellis, says he has no
:14:06. > :14:08.regrets about getting ?150,000 from the Scottish Government,
:14:09. > :14:14.He says many in business and tourism have told him he should have been
:14:15. > :14:17.given more money to help move the music festival to its
:14:18. > :14:20.Our arts correspondent Pauline McLean spoke to Geoff Ellis
:14:21. > :14:23.about who's headlining this year's event and how he has resolved
:14:24. > :14:36.the problems that marred last year's festival.
:14:37. > :14:47.I am really pleased. It is the most diverse we have had for years. Red
:14:48. > :14:56.hot chilli Peppers, Calvin Harris, they are both headliners.
:14:57. > :15:00.Traditionally, T in the Park has been a first festival for a lot of
:15:01. > :15:12.young people. Is there a deliberate targeting? To do 85,000 tickets, you
:15:13. > :15:17.have to have the balance of age groups and that is healthy for the
:15:18. > :15:21.festival as well. People feel a passion about T in the Park that
:15:22. > :15:35.they want to keep coming. This is your second year at Strahallan.
:15:36. > :15:41.Paddy Philip went? It was difficult. The lateness of planning permission,
:15:42. > :15:46.the short window we had to organise the event, problems with the site
:15:47. > :15:51.move, we did not deliver it as well as we could. The experience of the
:15:52. > :15:58.audience was not as good as it usually is. We had up -- we held up
:15:59. > :16:04.our hands and said that. This year it is about improving the customer
:16:05. > :16:07.experience. We have got a great line-up, but we are making changes
:16:08. > :16:13.to the site and the organisational structure. The council have 36
:16:14. > :16:18.recommendations of rings they wanted to see evidence of them having
:16:19. > :16:22.changed before this year's festival. How confident are you that all of
:16:23. > :16:28.these recommendations can be met? We are confident we can deliver what
:16:29. > :16:32.the council is looking for and more importantly, what our audiences
:16:33. > :16:37.looking for. We are making some radical changes to the
:16:38. > :16:45.organisational structure. We are confident we will deliver an event
:16:46. > :16:48.that the council is proud of. They know what we are capable of
:16:49. > :16:52.delivering. Last year we fell short, but this year we are confident we
:16:53. > :17:00.will have an event that everyone will enjoy. The proof of the pudding
:17:01. > :17:05.will be in the eating, as they say. You mention planning permission, but
:17:06. > :17:11.your public entertainment licence has yet to come. How difficult does
:17:12. > :17:21.it make that in selling tickets. Last it looked as if it impacted on
:17:22. > :17:38.your audience. The time frame is much tighter, but for all outdoor
:17:39. > :17:42.shows, or that -- all the shows I am doing, it is just the way the
:17:43. > :17:46.licensing goes. The issue that came up last year was the money you got
:17:47. > :17:52.from the government. Many thought that as a commercial company, you
:17:53. > :17:59.should not have had. It seemed like a small amount of money in terms of
:18:00. > :18:06.the fuss it cause. Do you regret it? Not at all. If we were building
:18:07. > :18:12.cars, no one would have mentioned it. Some people say we should not
:18:13. > :18:19.have got it, but many said we should, particularly people in
:18:20. > :18:23.tourism and enterprise. They said we should get more because it cost
:18:24. > :18:28.millions to move the event. We do not regret making the application.
:18:29. > :18:32.It was costing us a lot of money to relocate the festival and the
:18:33. > :18:36.support was justified. Everybody accepts that, but we became a bit of
:18:37. > :18:41.a political football which is unfortunate. This is year two of
:18:42. > :18:47.three that you envisage being there. Can you give us any sense of where
:18:48. > :18:57.you see the festival long term? Are you already looking for somewhere
:18:58. > :19:11.else? No. I think Strahallan is a beautiful sight. The trees and the
:19:12. > :19:15.woodland around it, the new transport plan. We are convinced it
:19:16. > :19:22.will run smoothly and it will be our long-term home. Last year was a
:19:23. > :19:26.difficult year, we accept that, but it is onwards and upwards. And
:19:27. > :19:32.Strathallan Castle will be our long-term home.
:19:33. > :19:35.On Radio Scotland this morning David Allison spoke to a couple
:19:36. > :19:37.from Giffnock, now in their 90s, who escaped from Nazi Germany
:19:38. > :19:39.as teenagers on the famed Kindertransport.
:19:40. > :19:41.They were welcomed into this country and later married and settled here.
:19:42. > :19:44.David wanted to find out what they made of the latest wave
:19:45. > :19:47.of refugees fleeing new horrors in the Middle East.
:19:48. > :19:49.Here's his report, this time with pictures of Henry and Ingrid
:19:50. > :20:17.At the moment, it is the most horrendous thing to watch. On
:20:18. > :20:27.television, in The Papers. Hundreds of thousands of people fleeing. It
:20:28. > :20:30.is a heartbreaking affair. It reminds me of having to leave the
:20:31. > :20:37.country where I was born and brought up until I was 15 and it also
:20:38. > :20:46.reminds me having to say goodbye to my parents, which was dreadful. Do
:20:47. > :20:53.you have any sympathy with the dilemma the politicians face? Yes, I
:20:54. > :20:58.certainly have sympathy. It is horrendous. It is to do with
:20:59. > :21:03.numbers. When we came, OK, there were 10,000 of us kids. We
:21:04. > :21:07.integrated into this community. What is on the way now from Syria and
:21:08. > :21:14.Afghanistan from north Africa are thousands of young people, mostly
:21:15. > :21:20.young men. How can we integrate them. If your life is at risk, you
:21:21. > :21:26.do all sorts of things. I think there is a limit how many people
:21:27. > :21:34.each country can take in, but I think all countries should try and
:21:35. > :21:39.take in a view. I wouldn't just say no to anybody and I can't say yes to
:21:40. > :21:49.everybody either. I just feel I am not knowledgeable enough. I do not
:21:50. > :21:56.know the answer. Definitely not, I would not like to be a politician.
:21:57. > :21:58.Henry and Ingrid Wuga talking to David Allison.
:21:59. > :22:02.Joining me now to reflect on that and some of the day's other news
:22:03. > :22:04.are Scottish Labour activist Stephen Low and Scottish Green
:22:05. > :22:18.Welcome to both of you. So, I am just thinking on the way that we
:22:19. > :22:31.heard 320,000, 323,000 more people came into the UK than those who
:22:32. > :22:39.left, what are your thoughts on Henry and Ingrid's reflections? Some
:22:40. > :22:49.of it is unhelpful because we are talking about economic migration.
:22:50. > :22:54.People are coming here and filling skill positions, but we have a
:22:55. > :23:00.crisis, a refugee crisis. We have seen the Jungle in Calais and what
:23:01. > :23:05.is happening there and we are not seeing a coherent approach. We have
:23:06. > :23:10.not taken enough action. There are people suffering. There are people
:23:11. > :23:19.waiting at the Borders in Europe. We are one of the wealthiest countries.
:23:20. > :23:24.There are about a million people waiting to get into Europe. That is
:23:25. > :23:30.a fifth of 1% of the population and we need to not falling foul and
:23:31. > :23:37.allowing David Cameron to set his agenda. We should be working towards
:23:38. > :23:42.a more progressive Europe based on building a common good. Does it not
:23:43. > :23:46.say something when actual refugees from the Nazi era are worried about
:23:47. > :23:57.the numbers coming in and worried about whether there will be able to
:23:58. > :24:02.integrate? I found that interesting because not that many people were
:24:03. > :24:09.coming in. What that really meant is not that many people were allowed
:24:10. > :24:14.in. Talk about people not integrating then is what is being
:24:15. > :24:18.said now. This is a refugee crisis and by and large, people are running
:24:19. > :24:24.away from countries that in the last few years have been quite
:24:25. > :24:27.extensively bombed and occupied by countries, some of them EU
:24:28. > :24:32.countries. This debate, or rather this crisis is not telling us
:24:33. > :24:37.anything about the EU and how it works. In most respects it is a
:24:38. > :24:44.complete diversion from actual issues about the EU functions. The
:24:45. > :24:49.whole of Greece is talking about it. They have recalled their ambassadors
:24:50. > :24:54.to Austria. The EU migration Commissioner said the system could
:24:55. > :25:01.break down within weeks. That has got to be a worry. It is a worry and
:25:02. > :25:05.that is why we need to push for a reform based on something more
:25:06. > :25:09.socially just, that has humanitarian principles at the heart of it
:25:10. > :25:12.because the reality is that these are people, children and families
:25:13. > :25:25.suffering because not enough action is being taken.
:25:26. > :25:32.It is a diabolical situation to be in and it should not just be a case
:25:33. > :25:37.of saying, I'm all right Jack, so we will just do our thing. There are
:25:38. > :25:40.other countries that are doing their fair share, like Germany, and we
:25:41. > :25:52.need to look to countries who are taking this issue seamlessly. I have
:25:53. > :25:57.two leave Europe there and get on to the Savile report. Dame Janet Smith
:25:58. > :26:09.found that the BBC repeatedly failed to stop sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile
:26:10. > :26:15.and Stuart Hall. The BBC allowed Jimmy Savile and Stuart Hall to go
:26:16. > :26:18.undetected for decades. They apologised to the victims today and
:26:19. > :26:26.said lessons have been learnt. Do you think they have? What was
:26:27. > :26:31.interesting if they talked of a culture of fear, a culture of fear
:26:32. > :26:36.that is reinforced by a massive disparity of power and the
:26:37. > :26:43.competition for jobs. Frankly, that is not just an issue for the BBC. It
:26:44. > :26:47.is simply not related to child sex abuse. That is something you can see
:26:48. > :26:51.right the way through the care sector which has also had a
:26:52. > :27:03.situation where whistle-blowing is effectively impossible because you
:27:04. > :27:11.are either fearing for your job or yourself. All this continue to be an
:27:12. > :27:20.issue in broadcasting? Where is an issue about how the talent are
:27:21. > :27:25.treated, but what is more serious is that there are people with talent
:27:26. > :27:28.and ego, but there is a management structure where concerns about them
:27:29. > :27:34.cannot be raised because the management does not want to hear it.
:27:35. > :27:43.The review identified over 70 victims of Jimmy Savile and over 20
:27:44. > :27:48.Stuart Hall. How could it go unnoticed? It three did not go
:27:49. > :27:51.unnoticed, but people thought they could not speak up because of the
:27:52. > :27:56.culture we have been talking about and the teams have not been able to
:27:57. > :28:06.speak up. The flood of came forward mainly after Jimmy Savile's death.
:28:07. > :28:14.It is a wider problem about powerful figures seeming untouchable. Stevens
:28:15. > :28:26.said it's not just the BBC, it's about public institutions. -- as
:28:27. > :28:30.Stephen said. We need to look at what changes are going to be put in
:28:31. > :28:33.place in the future to make sure the pain and suffering that these people
:28:34. > :28:36.have gone through was not in vain and they have an assurance that
:28:37. > :28:47.nothing like this will ever happen again. That is going to involve the
:28:48. > :28:48.BBC having a sharp look in the mirror and up turning some
:28:49. > :28:56.uncomfortable stones. That's it for tonight
:28:57. > :28:58.and for this week. I'm back on Monday, usual time,
:28:59. > :29:03.with a special debate on education.