:00:00. > :00:00.In the week that Brexit campaigners turn their focus on Scotland,
:00:07. > :00:27.is a vote here to Remain a foregone conclusion?
:00:28. > :00:33.Nigel Farage says a vote to Leave the EU would bring
:00:34. > :00:39.But is anyone here listening to the European debate?
:00:40. > :00:43.And we've got a sneak preview of one of the UK's biggest celebrations
:00:44. > :00:55.It's been slow taking off in Scotland, overshadowed inevitably
:00:56. > :00:59.But are there hints, finally, the EU referendum
:01:00. > :01:05.Earlier tonight, Nigel Farage was in Glasgow arguing that a Brexit
:01:06. > :01:10.vote would lead to more powers for the Scottish Parliament.
:01:11. > :01:13.Meanwhile, the Prime Minister has defended his government's pro-EU
:01:14. > :01:18.leaflet, amid claims that ?9 million of public money is being spent
:01:19. > :01:27.Here's our political correspondent Nick Eardley.
:01:28. > :01:36.I make no apology for the fact we have sent to every household in the
:01:37. > :01:42.country this leaflet, which sets out... Ready for delivery. Arguments
:01:43. > :01:48.on our future in the EU coming to a whole new you, soon. Vote Leave
:01:49. > :01:53.lodged its campaign earlier this week, choosing the well's largest
:01:54. > :01:57.hydraulic components distributor where the owner thinks life outside
:01:58. > :02:03.the EU would mean better trade tariffs with South America. The
:02:04. > :02:07.campaign's director north of the border focused his argument on
:02:08. > :02:12.powers and education. Things like fishing and agriculture, currently
:02:13. > :02:15.run from Brussels, will have to come to Holyrood, not Westminster,
:02:16. > :02:22.because those are not reserved issues. If we come out of the EU, EU
:02:23. > :02:29.students will continue to study here but they will have to pay tuition
:02:30. > :02:37.fees. Vote Leave are competing with another voice to be the voice of the
:02:38. > :02:42.Brexit campaign. Posting a rally tonight in Glasgow University, not
:02:43. > :02:45.everyone was happy to see them. After protesters briefly had their
:02:46. > :02:51.voice heard, it was back to the Leave arguments. There are a lot of
:02:52. > :02:55.voices here from trade unionists to former Conservative Cabinet lenders.
:02:56. > :02:59.They acknowledge the Holyrood campaign is dominating politics in
:03:00. > :03:05.Scotland at the moment, and they argue that the EU question is why to
:03:06. > :03:09.the important for the UK's future. We had to get the political
:03:10. > :03:14.establishment to the point of total nervous breakdown and panic to even
:03:15. > :03:21.give us this referendum. And only then did it happen because,
:03:22. > :03:26.surprisingly, they got a majority. So, it is an important vote?
:03:27. > :03:32.Constitutionally, it is the most important question people will
:03:33. > :03:37.answer probably in their lifetimes. The Prime Minister also says this
:03:38. > :03:42.vote is crucial. The government will spend ?9 million setting out its
:03:43. > :03:45.case in a leaflet sent to every household. Leave campaigners are
:03:46. > :03:51.furious but the PM says it is money well spent. We are not neutral in
:03:52. > :03:55.this. We think it would be a bad decision to leave. It would be bad
:03:56. > :04:00.for a economy, bad for jobs, bad for investment, bad for families and bad
:04:01. > :04:03.for universities. We're not neutral is we have made clear stance in this
:04:04. > :04:09.leaflet which I hope everyone will get a copy of at their home. The in
:04:10. > :04:12.campaign in Scotland agrees it is therefore the government to set out
:04:13. > :04:26.their vision but they take issue with a few -- with the future that
:04:27. > :04:30.the Leave campaign. Our view is that Europe has done incredibly well for
:04:31. > :04:34.us and we have done incredibly well from Europe. The EU debate may
:04:35. > :04:40.remain in the background until the 5th of May, but these guys want to
:04:41. > :04:41.vote, and you can expect to see them flying the flag in the weeks to
:04:42. > :04:42.come. Here with me from the Scotland
:04:43. > :04:45.Stronger In campaign is John Edward and from Scottish Vote Leave
:04:46. > :04:59.is Tom Harris. Tom Harris, Nigel Farage was here
:05:00. > :05:03.today, arguing that a Brexit vote would deliver more powers to
:05:04. > :05:08.Holyrood, more money to Holyrood. Same argument as you, why aren't you
:05:09. > :05:12.campaigning alongside him? There are a number of different campaigns. The
:05:13. > :05:16.Electoral Commission will make a decision about the official
:05:17. > :05:20.campaign, and until that happens people are perfectly free to
:05:21. > :05:24.campaign how they like. There might be a different emphasis between the
:05:25. > :05:29.two campaigns but essentially we are working towards the same goal, which
:05:30. > :05:34.is a Scotland and UK outside the EU. And you are a former Labour MP,
:05:35. > :05:43.though, and you are not part of the Labour Leave campaign, why not?
:05:44. > :05:47.Labour Leave is part of Vote To Leave, it is part of the umbrella.
:05:48. > :05:52.Don't you think that is a bit confusing for the public, trying to
:05:53. > :05:56.get your message across? We aren't asking people to analyse or memorise
:05:57. > :06:00.the list of organisations, we are asking people to listen to the
:06:01. > :06:04.arguments we are making. And the arguments we are making will have a
:06:05. > :06:09.lot of resonance between now and 23rd of June. The argument that a
:06:10. > :06:14.Brexit vote would actually bring more powers, more money to Holyrood,
:06:15. > :06:18.and you concerned that is going to be quite a persuasive argument in
:06:19. > :06:21.Scotland? Not really. It is a very strange roundabout way of devolving
:06:22. > :06:25.more powers to the Scottish Parliament. We have had processes
:06:26. > :06:28.before like the Calman and Smith omission that over months and years
:06:29. > :06:33.have talked about the detailed aspects of devolving power. Putting
:06:34. > :06:37.ourselves out of the most successful trade bloc and the community we have
:06:38. > :06:40.been part of the last 45 years simply to seek to move some powers
:06:41. > :06:45.to the Scottish Parliament isn't the way to do devolution. It is a bit of
:06:46. > :06:49.a strange way, is it not, for arguing for more powers? What we are
:06:50. > :06:54.pointing out is a simple legal fact that if UK comes out of the EU, the
:06:55. > :06:58.powers that you currently wields over Scotland would have to go
:06:59. > :07:01.somewhere, and if they are not listed as reserved matters in
:07:02. > :07:05.Scotland, they would come to Holyrood. There are more positives
:07:06. > :07:09.to coming out of the EU. First of all, the huge amount of money that
:07:10. > :07:13.you and I pay as taxpayers for the privilege of being members of the
:07:14. > :07:17.EU. They raise the knock-on effect that I mentioned in that video. Most
:07:18. > :07:21.people in Scotland don't realise that when they pay their taxes to
:07:22. > :07:26.fund free Jewish and in Scotland, they are paying for free Jewish and
:07:27. > :07:29.for EU students as well. If EU students, who are always going to be
:07:30. > :07:34.welcome in Scotland to study, if they paid their way, that would be a
:07:35. > :07:38.financial boost for the universities but we can't do that as members of
:07:39. > :07:44.the EU. What about that huge financial windfall? This assumes the
:07:45. > :07:48.gross amount of money going out to the EU is somehow lost to us
:07:49. > :07:52.permanently into a vacuum of 27 other countries. On that specific
:07:53. > :07:57.argument about the tuition fees. It works both ways. Lots of Scottish
:07:58. > :08:00.students go to the EU getting preferential treatment because they
:08:01. > :08:04.are EU students. That is the point of being in a community where you
:08:05. > :08:07.have equal rights and equal protection but the idea that somehow
:08:08. > :08:12.all the money we send out has no impact back in Scotland, it wasn't
:08:13. > :08:16.our figures or their figures, an independent body came out with the
:08:17. > :08:20.idea that every pound we spend, we get ?10 back because of the
:08:21. > :08:28.investment, the surge of innovation, never mind all the grants. What do
:08:29. > :08:32.you say to that? That just isn't true. There was a big survey. Let's
:08:33. > :08:36.talk about trade tariffs. The biggest survey of them show that
:08:37. > :08:40.even outside the EU, with British companies having to pay tariffs, the
:08:41. > :08:43.amount of tariffs they would pay would be caught by the amount of
:08:44. > :08:50.money that would be saved by not paying money to the EU. At a time of
:08:51. > :08:54.austerity, we are paying for infrastructure projects in Greece.
:08:55. > :08:58.Now, actually, that money would be better spent in Scotland and in
:08:59. > :09:01.Britain. Once that message goes out to people in Scotland, that is
:09:02. > :09:07.something they going to listen to. When we talk about cuts to front
:09:08. > :09:10.line services, but still giving money to a non-transparent
:09:11. > :09:14.bureaucracy in Brussels. That could be a compelling argument. If it had
:09:15. > :09:18.any sense behind it. The money isn't going to a black but it is being
:09:19. > :09:23.invested back into the countries, including our own. It is like saying
:09:24. > :09:28.we will pay income tax and that is the last we see of it, and just
:09:29. > :09:38.because I see my In Amenas taken out once a month, I want my money back.
:09:39. > :09:44.There are projects that... We are the biggest contributor. And we get
:09:45. > :09:48.a very large rebate out of the system so the money, of course, we
:09:49. > :09:52.spend a bit of money but if you at the back of your tax form, there are
:09:53. > :09:56.great wages of social security, health and everything else. The EU
:09:57. > :10:01.is a tiny slither in the middle, less than 2%, so we are talking as
:10:02. > :10:05.if there is this huge cash cow that is somehow going to save the world
:10:06. > :10:08.but actually this money has a big effect and the multiplier effect and
:10:09. > :10:12.a match funding effect that nobody ever talks about. It certainly has a
:10:13. > :10:18.big affect another EU countries, no doubt about that. As it has in the
:10:19. > :10:23.Highlands. It is ?1.5 billion a year. That is more than half of our
:10:24. > :10:29.total education budget. It might be a sliver of money to EU finances.
:10:30. > :10:32.No, not the EU finances, our finances. One of the problems you've
:10:33. > :10:36.got in presenting the argument to Leave, it isn't like the Scottish
:10:37. > :10:42.independence referendum weather was a White Paper, as John Edwards said.
:10:43. > :10:47.You can't say with any certainty what Scotland outside the EU would
:10:48. > :10:50.look like. Remember the criticism the SNP and the yes campaign got for
:10:51. > :10:54.producing that White Paper because it was criticised because it was
:10:55. > :10:59.hypothetical. The fact is that remaining in the EU has its own
:11:00. > :11:08.uncertainties. For example, to be able to tell us -- John won't be
:11:09. > :11:13.able to tell us how much more we will be paying in five is time, ten
:11:14. > :11:16.years' time, we don't know what the next intergovernmental conference
:11:17. > :11:19.which brings us the next treaty change, we don't know what
:11:20. > :11:24.restrictions that will impose on the UK. There are an awful lot of
:11:25. > :11:28.uncertainties. So, uncertainties and both sides? Uncertainties in life, I
:11:29. > :11:34.don't know what might income tax will be in five years' time. If we
:11:35. > :11:39.veto this, it won't happen, so it isn't a union out there doing stuff
:11:40. > :11:42.to us, we are a part of this system, and if we choose to exercise our
:11:43. > :11:46.power within that, we can get what we want. The idea things will come
:11:47. > :11:50.our way we have no control over in one of these conferences and we will
:11:51. > :11:55.sit back and let it happen, it is a soup line and passive way of looking
:11:56. > :12:00.at politics. Tom Harris, do you think Scottish voters are in any way
:12:01. > :12:04.engaged in this debate yet or is it being overshadowed by Holyrood? I
:12:05. > :12:07.think it is being overshadowed by Holyrood because that is right,
:12:08. > :12:11.these are important elections. The problem in Scotland is for the last
:12:12. > :12:14.decade whenever we talk about constitutional reform that has been
:12:15. > :12:20.about one thing, Scottish independence, so we've never had an
:12:21. > :12:24.audience for the debate on Europe. After 5th of May, we will have six
:12:25. > :12:28.weeks to have a really intense and I hope positive debate about the EU,
:12:29. > :12:38.and I hope we don't say just because of the political elites we will talk
:12:39. > :12:42.for the EU. If they wanted, it should raise some warning bells. Do
:12:43. > :12:47.you think the Scottish people will start to take an interest? Yes,
:12:48. > :12:50.because it affects them. I have no interest in the political
:12:51. > :12:54.establishment. We're talking about what difference it makes to people's
:12:55. > :12:58.lives as workers, students and pensioners. That is the kind of
:12:59. > :13:00.stuff that matters. Thank you both for coming this evening.
:13:01. > :13:03.It's one of the biggest celebrations of contemporary art in the UK.
:13:04. > :13:06.From tomorrow, 220 artists from around the world will present
:13:07. > :13:09.work in 75 locations across Glasgow as part of GI -
:13:10. > :13:14.The city's industrial heritage has inspired
:13:15. > :13:15.many of the artists, and their work.
:13:16. > :13:27.Our arts correspondent Pauline McLean reports.
:13:28. > :13:37.It was a mighty industry, known the world over. Clyde built, a byword
:13:38. > :13:42.for craft and quality. Today, many of those industrial buildings are no
:13:43. > :13:48.arts centres. And art has itself become an industry. It is all up for
:13:49. > :13:52.discussion in this, the seventh edition of the biennial Glasgow
:13:53. > :13:57.International Festival. We are looking at artists which have
:13:58. > :14:02.a strong relationships with the materials they are making, and
:14:03. > :14:05.through that also crafts and craftsmanship, looking at feminist
:14:06. > :14:10.practices, looking at lots of things I suppose through Glasgow being a
:14:11. > :14:12.kind of loans to that. And the history of making an production in
:14:13. > :14:20.the city. -- lens.
:14:21. > :14:24.I always wanted to be a sculptor. I remember going with my father did
:14:25. > :14:32.John Brown's shipyard in Clydebank where he worked.
:14:33. > :14:37.Lawrence is one of the artists who have taken up the challenge.
:14:38. > :14:48.In this case I chose the QE2 as a symbol of heavy industry. And it was
:14:49. > :14:54.sold to investors in Dubai in 2007, who wanted to turn it into a luxury
:14:55. > :14:59.hotel. So fictional scenario is about a Glaswegian artist, who
:15:00. > :15:03.raises funds to buy the QE2 and take it back to Glasgow and turn her into
:15:04. > :15:09.a new home for the Glasgow School of Art which had the fire in 2014.
:15:10. > :15:20.Inside Kelvin Hall, another industrial space is filled with art.
:15:21. > :15:23.Across the city, in 75 different venues, this is a festival that
:15:24. > :15:29.keeps on going. Its audience, like its artists, from
:15:30. > :15:33.a wide range of backgrounds, local and international.
:15:34. > :15:37.We work hard to get people who may be feel uncomfortable visiting
:15:38. > :15:43.contemporary art exhibitions or will visit them but want a bit more
:15:44. > :15:47.information. We worked hard to make those opportunities available. But
:15:48. > :15:52.it is a wide-ranging audience, I like that.
:15:53. > :15:55.And it means the festival can afford to challenge audiences with their
:15:56. > :15:59.work. Cabaret, music, performance. Even
:16:00. > :16:05.roller-skating. Anything goes at GI. I think the
:16:06. > :16:09.audiences are open to everything, everything we have ever done in
:16:10. > :16:15.Glasgow. But hopefully they have a little bit
:16:16. > :16:18.of fear as well but in a fun way, there should be some kind of
:16:19. > :16:24.trepidation. But I think there is a hungry audience that is completely
:16:25. > :16:29.enthusiastic. Energetic too, with just 18 days to
:16:30. > :16:33.see 90 different projects in 75 different locations. With something
:16:34. > :16:36.for everyone, whatever your taste in art.
:16:37. > :16:42.I think it is OK to see something and really, really hate it. Or do
:16:43. > :16:49.have a real with it. It is good to fall in love with something, but as
:16:50. > :16:50.long as there is a reaction and a thought-provoking situation, that is
:16:51. > :16:54.OK. That is good. Two weeks down, four
:16:55. > :16:56.more to go until we get the chance to cast our votes
:16:57. > :16:59.in the Holyrood elections. Andrew Black has been
:17:00. > :17:17.casting his critical eye over This week, we learned that singing
:17:18. > :17:20.is good for help. And on the election campaign trial, Scotland
:17:21. > :17:22.politicians -- Scotland's politicians were striving to hit the
:17:23. > :17:32.high note. The decibel level was raised during
:17:33. > :17:36.this week -- this week's tax debate. Do you know what the betrayal was?
:17:37. > :17:41.John Swinney and his colleagues who voted that down and instead pushed
:17:42. > :17:48.through ?500 million of cuts to local communities.
:17:49. > :17:55.Massive tax cut... And I think absolutely it is a
:17:56. > :18:02.measure of the Conservative Party... We are out of time...
:18:03. > :18:06.And contributions from Ukip and the Greens, also raising a few eyebrows.
:18:07. > :18:10.I live in five, I have broad beans than I know what to do with.
:18:11. > :18:14.And I still don't get my rubbish taken away.
:18:15. > :18:17.-- more bins. If somebody decides to leave Scotland because they don't
:18:18. > :18:25.want to pay that high rate of tax, they don't take that job with them,
:18:26. > :18:30.that money remains in the economy. And sticking with tax, offshore
:18:31. > :18:34.loopholes for the rich was this week's big news, prompting the PM to
:18:35. > :18:40.make a personal statement. I own no shares, I have a salary as
:18:41. > :18:44.Prime Minister, and I have some savings, which I get some interest
:18:45. > :18:48.from and I have a house which we used to live in, which we know let
:18:49. > :18:52.out while we are living in Downing street.
:18:53. > :18:58.Today came a clarification. Samantha and I had a joint account,
:18:59. > :19:02.we earned 5000 units in an investment trust which we sold in
:19:03. > :19:11.January 20 ten. That was worth something like ?30,000. -- 2010. I
:19:12. > :19:14.paid income tax on the dividends, there was a profit on it but it was
:19:15. > :19:17.less than the capital gains tax allowance so I didn't pay capital
:19:18. > :19:21.gains tax. But it was subject to all the UK
:19:22. > :19:25.taxes in all the normal ways. Elsewhere this week was the claim
:19:26. > :19:30.that Scottish Labour Leader caveat that they auditioned for the SNP to
:19:31. > :19:37.work experience. In figure 20 -- 2003 I was still at
:19:38. > :19:41.university, are likely applied for lots of different opportunities to
:19:42. > :19:44.work. But the idea that this is a central part of the election really
:19:45. > :19:51.is laughable. So it has been a busy old week in
:19:52. > :19:52.politics, but are the key messages of the campaign taking flight or
:19:53. > :19:58.missing their target? With me now are Kirstein Rummery,
:19:59. > :20:00.Professor of Social Policy at the University of Stirling
:20:01. > :20:18.and David Leask, chief Welcome to you both. So week two,
:20:19. > :20:22.have there been any highlights in the campaign for yourself at,
:20:23. > :20:26.Kirstein? I think looking at the different
:20:27. > :20:33.ways the parties have approached issues around tax and spend and that
:20:34. > :20:36.kind of thing, but the focus is much more on kind of the difference
:20:37. > :20:42.between Scotland and the UK's approach. It does highlight a lot of
:20:43. > :20:44.interesting issues, but Scotland voters are going to have to take
:20:45. > :20:47.into account. Do you think those differences are
:20:48. > :20:53.emerging quite quickly? I think so, I think the way
:20:54. > :20:56.campaigns around the EU referendum south of the border and also the
:20:57. > :21:01.London elections are very different in tone to the way in which the
:21:02. > :21:04.campaign is being played out here. David, we saw some clips there from
:21:05. > :21:11.the tax debate we had earlier in the week. Whether any issues emerging
:21:12. > :21:17.from that, any points you thought had been explained more clearly?
:21:18. > :21:22.Aside from the comedy value of Ukip and the notion that we are facing
:21:23. > :21:25.Soviet style land grabs, can we stop talking rubbish about that.
:21:26. > :21:29.The most interesting person was somebody from the audience talking
:21:30. > :21:34.about having potentially more than three tax bands, and that is the
:21:35. > :21:38.really interesting detail I would like to hear more about, not just in
:21:39. > :21:45.this election but incoming ones. He was the head of tax for Scotland
:21:46. > :21:49.for RMS, were you surprised that some of the other parties didn't
:21:50. > :21:55.have perhaps more innovative ideas about how to use these new powers?
:21:56. > :21:59.It is interesting that the conservative nature of the approach
:22:00. > :22:04.to this, if you look at the way in which a lot of people voted in the
:22:05. > :22:08.referendum, a lot of the no voters voted no in the expectation that
:22:09. > :22:12.further powers would come to the Scottish parliament. So there is
:22:13. > :22:17.quite a lot of enthusiasm behind that idea. And the idea that the SNP
:22:18. > :22:21.seems to be playing the middle ground and very cautious in trying
:22:22. > :22:26.to appeal probably too middle-class voters and are very cautious voters
:22:27. > :22:30.about not committing too much on the tax band, but also that their sons
:22:31. > :22:35.appear to add up. And they seem to be making Labour point to the left
:22:36. > :22:38.and be a little bit more radical. But still -- still none of the
:22:39. > :22:42.parties are being as creative radical as they could be, Scotland
:22:43. > :22:47.could have done a lot of very different things with those powers,
:22:48. > :22:51.and none of the parties have gone really radical with anything.
:22:52. > :22:56.Ukip launched their manifesto in Scotland today, actually they did
:22:57. > :23:01.propose another tax band, a 30p one, but some of the crowd pleasing ideas
:23:02. > :23:10.like increasing the drink-drive limit, smoking areas in pubs. Will
:23:11. > :23:13.this help their chances in Scotland. I'm sure there are plenty of people
:23:14. > :23:18.who share their outlook on the world, many people who have strong
:23:19. > :23:20.views on immigration. But unfortunately they cannot get
:23:21. > :23:25.themselves organised enough to appeal to those voters. We see
:23:26. > :23:29.constantly things like press releases with spelling mistakes,
:23:30. > :23:35.social media that is incoherent. I think they are having trouble
:23:36. > :23:41.getting the message across. I know we do have three female party
:23:42. > :23:44.leaders, but what do you think about the female contribution so far to
:23:45. > :23:52.the election campaign? Given that all of the main parties
:23:53. > :23:56.have a stated commitment to raising women's representation, the 50-50
:23:57. > :24:00.campaign and Nicola Sturgeon's 50-50 Cabinet, to see all-male panel is
:24:01. > :24:04.not just around tax and spend, there was one run housing where there were
:24:05. > :24:09.six people, lots of very interesting men in suits. -- around housing.
:24:10. > :24:13.This indicates to me as a voter that there is not a lot of substance
:24:14. > :24:17.behind some of those commitments, but some of the parties are not
:24:18. > :24:22.willing to put the work in that would be involved in trying to get
:24:23. > :24:26.women's voices further hurt, and that is a shame. Because when you
:24:27. > :24:33.see the kind of grassroots involvement of women in politics,
:24:34. > :24:36.and organisations and parties like the women's equality party coming
:24:37. > :24:40.up, and the way the constitutional framework is in Scotland, but these
:24:41. > :24:44.smaller groups could realistically have a voice or get a seat in
:24:45. > :24:49.parliament, it is a shame to still see all-male panels.
:24:50. > :24:51.David, there is obviously still a lot of women campaigning on the
:24:52. > :24:55.ground. I thought the debate on the
:24:56. > :24:58.television about financing was interesting, because finance is for
:24:59. > :25:04.boys because they are good with numbers. That was disappointing. You
:25:05. > :25:11.would like to see more women on that kind of issue, not just on soft
:25:12. > :25:13.things that you might on the -- in the old days have been pigeonholed
:25:14. > :25:17.into. The fallout from the Panama papers
:25:18. > :25:24.continues. David Cameron has admitted he did have a ?30,000 stake
:25:25. > :25:29.in his father's offshore trust, sold in 2010. He said it was subject to
:25:30. > :25:32.all UK taxes, I mean, he has done nothing illegal it seems, but is
:25:33. > :25:36.this politically embarrassing for him?
:25:37. > :25:39.It seems he did have a cunning plan coming up to being Prime Minister to
:25:40. > :25:42.kind of clear the decks and make sure there was nothing that could
:25:43. > :25:47.come up and cause embarrassment later. But he knew all along, in
:25:48. > :25:51.2010 that he was benefiting from this, and then to go out and make
:25:52. > :25:55.statements specifically on tax avoidance, knowing it just takes one
:25:56. > :25:59.good journalist to find out this kind of thing, does indicate to me
:26:00. > :26:05.not just a lack of judgment, but also how out of touch he might be
:26:06. > :26:09.with what the concerns are of everyday people. ?30,000 to me and
:26:10. > :26:15.most people in Scotland is a lot of money. But to him it is just, oh,
:26:16. > :26:20.that is what we do, we move our finances around, as rich people and
:26:21. > :26:23.the elite, ways that that is not really questionable. But it does
:26:24. > :26:28.look very suspicious to the voters. Each time he has asked a question on
:26:29. > :26:31.something else comes out, his answers shift. No, he didn't do
:26:32. > :26:36.anything illegal and he is quite proper to say it is really unfair to
:26:37. > :26:40.have a go at my dad and all of that is fair enough, but it doesn't look
:26:41. > :26:42.good, it doesn't look like someone who is judging these things very
:26:43. > :26:49.well. Tom Watson tonight is saying it is
:26:50. > :26:53.an extraordinary admission. Do you think it is damaging?
:26:54. > :27:00.The problem is it can smell a bit smelly. Most people will forget the
:27:01. > :27:06.details, but "Offshore" that seems unsavoury. It reminds people that Mr
:27:07. > :27:10.Cameron's from an extraordinarily privileged background.
:27:11. > :27:16.Can he draw a line under this now? I think it is one of these things
:27:17. > :27:19.that has been blown out -- up a lot, particularly in the interests of
:27:20. > :27:23.personal smear that politics it is the kind of thing that likes to get
:27:24. > :27:27.pushed around, but I think if he moves the debate on to kind of
:27:28. > :27:31.policies, anyone who is hit with that kind of thing needs to do that
:27:32. > :27:34.and certainly someone who is the Prime Minister needs to be able to
:27:35. > :27:39.move it on to substantiated issues. What about Scotland's place in all
:27:40. > :27:45.of this. Well we are pointing fingers at all
:27:46. > :27:52.these Caribbean fiscal paradises, Scotland is in itself being marketed
:27:53. > :27:57.as a tax haven, as an offshore zone throughout eastern Europe, and there
:27:58. > :28:00.are companies in Scotland producing, law firms, producing off-the-shelf
:28:01. > :28:04.Scottish companies that in conjunction with Panamanian
:28:05. > :28:08.companies and firms from the British Virgin Islands are being used as tax
:28:09. > :28:13.evasion tools for people across the world. I think we need to sort that
:28:14. > :28:17.are before we start pointing fingers elsewhere. It worries me a lot that
:28:18. > :28:22.we have little cottage industry going on here, we have four example
:28:23. > :28:26.companies that are set up with a mock shareholder in the Seychelles,
:28:27. > :28:31.where you can get an address in Edinburgh that doesn't exist, or a
:28:32. > :28:37.telephone number, for as little as $1500 in kiosk or Moscow or Latvia.
:28:38. > :28:40.Before we go, do you think the public are going to expect something
:28:41. > :28:46.to be done about all of this? I think David's right, it smells
:28:47. > :28:50.fishy, it smells bad, and in terms of Scotland's reputation as a
:28:51. > :28:55.financial leader as a haven for these kind of things it doesn't look
:28:56. > :28:56.to the electorate. Kirstein, David, thanks so much for
:28:57. > :28:58.coming in this evening. That's it for tonight
:28:59. > :29:00.and for this week. I'm back with you on
:29:01. > :29:03.Monday, usual time. Well, I'd hoped the debate
:29:04. > :29:25.wouldn't be so personal! We are approaching
:29:26. > :29:27.one of the biggest decisions this country will face
:29:28. > :29:29.in our lifetimes. We need a change,
:29:30. > :29:31.we have to take a risk, No, leave things as they are,
:29:32. > :29:35.don't change anything, it might make it worse.
:29:36. > :29:37.That's just scaremongering. I'd hoped the debate
:29:38. > :29:39.might be more sensible. Well, I'd hoped the debate
:29:40. > :29:44.wouldn't be so personal! So, we'll just keep the old set,
:29:45. > :29:47.then?