:00:00. > :00:24.And nearly all the job losses are here in Scotland.
:00:25. > :00:31.20,000 jobs have gone in Scotland since December.
:00:32. > :00:34.Yet barely any in the rest of the UK.
:00:35. > :00:40.A Trump/Clinton battle for the White House moves a step closer
:00:41. > :00:43.And how often have you thought about the soil beneath your feet?
:00:44. > :00:55.It's a much-ignored natural resource.
:00:56. > :00:58.Disappointing news for the Scottish economy today as it was revealed
:00:59. > :01:00.we continue to have a higher unemployment rate than
:01:01. > :01:05.New figures show the jobless total here rose by 20,000
:01:06. > :01:09.A thousand jobs were lost everywhere else.
:01:10. > :01:11.In a moment, we'll be asking our Business Editor what lies
:01:12. > :01:13.behind this growing gap in the unemployment figures.
:01:14. > :01:16.But first, here's our Business Correspondent,
:01:17. > :01:32.This engineering plant is a long way from the North Sea, but it is still
:01:33. > :01:37.feeling the impact from the collapse in the price of oil. It makes
:01:38. > :01:40.high-tech parts for the offshore industry. But buyers are saving
:01:41. > :01:48.their cash, so jobs here have been lost. Things have got much, much
:01:49. > :01:54.tougher over the last year. We are at a fraction of the turnover we
:01:55. > :01:59.were doing before. We have lost six people from our workforce, we had to
:02:00. > :02:03.make them redundant. Most of our competitors have done the same
:02:04. > :02:06.thing. The oil industry has been hit hard and that is bad news for
:02:07. > :02:11.employment. The latest figures across Scotland show the number of
:02:12. > :02:16.people out of work and looking for a job rose by 20,000. And Scotland's
:02:17. > :02:22.and employment rate is now higher than it is across the UK as a whole.
:02:23. > :02:26.But these problems go beyond the North East and the offshore
:02:27. > :02:33.industry. Scotland's manufacturers have had a difficult year. With some
:02:34. > :02:37.of the best known names facing closure. And Scotland's service
:02:38. > :02:41.sector, which employs the most people as a barely grown in recent
:02:42. > :02:45.months. For the first time in a longer time we are beginning to see
:02:46. > :02:50.evidence of a real disconnect in what is happening in Scotland and
:02:51. > :02:55.the rest of the UK. Oil certainly is part of the story, but maybe some of
:02:56. > :03:00.our other key sectors, like financial services are not doing as
:03:01. > :03:05.well as we might hope. I think the whole problem of uncertainty
:03:06. > :03:07.associated with the stagnation of the European economy, the question
:03:08. > :03:12.of uncertainty associated with Brexit and the question of
:03:13. > :03:20.uncertainty associated with what would have the Scotland a Brexit
:03:21. > :03:24.occurred. So as our big employers face big challenges, what scope is
:03:25. > :03:28.there for small scale at job creation? At this event in Glasgow
:03:29. > :03:33.today, entrepreneurs and community groups were talking shop using old,
:03:34. > :03:38.empty buildings for new ventures and new jobs in uncertain times. This is
:03:39. > :03:42.happening all across the world. And maybe if we actually recognise that
:03:43. > :03:47.and go, we are living in one of the most volatile economic times, we
:03:48. > :03:50.need to be more flexible, we need more innovation, we cannot hark back
:03:51. > :03:55.to the past with people saying, oh, wouldn't it be good if Woolworths
:03:56. > :03:59.came back? That is gone. This engineering firm is taking up that
:04:00. > :04:04.challenge, looking for orders beyond the oil industry. The question now
:04:05. > :04:06.is can other Scottish employers and its workforce do the same?
:04:07. > :04:09.Here now to discuss what this all means is our Business
:04:10. > :04:22.Hello, Douglas. Hello. Why is the job situation here so different to
:04:23. > :04:29.the rest of the UK? Is it all down to oil and gas? No. I think it is
:04:30. > :04:33.worth saying that through a lot of the downturn in years that we've
:04:34. > :04:37.been in for roughly 80 years, Scotland has mirrored an awful lot
:04:38. > :04:41.of what the UK has been doing. It has been an average parts of the UK
:04:42. > :04:45.in a way that London has been an outlier. Scotland has been fairly
:04:46. > :04:52.average. That has now changed. There is a guy virgins and in almost every
:04:53. > :04:55.account you look at, where you have got statistics, the guy virgins does
:04:56. > :05:03.not look good from a Scottish perspective. It's partly the London
:05:04. > :05:07.effect. The South East has a huge dynamic effect on the UK and London
:05:08. > :05:11.has strengths which lead to an balance is across the UK. Stop blood
:05:12. > :05:16.has not done badly in avoiding too much influence from that. --
:05:17. > :05:19.Scotland. Oil and gas is the dimensional be Scottish economy
:05:20. > :05:22.which really stands out. It was a very strong for several years when
:05:23. > :05:26.we needed it to be strong and other things were we, it is now, because
:05:27. > :05:30.of the oil price, moved into a much worse position. The downturn has
:05:31. > :05:34.spread more to the Scottish economy that we expected. That suggests
:05:35. > :05:39.there is more to this than oil and gas, as you are here from Professor
:05:40. > :05:43.David Bell. There is something else wrong about the sectors we have
:05:44. > :05:47.strength in, the kind of sectors we exported. We are vital to dependent
:05:48. > :05:52.on certain sectors, whiskey for instance. A quarter of our exports
:05:53. > :05:56.are in a whiskey and although that had strong growth in recent years,
:05:57. > :06:02.the past three years so it's falling significantly. Financial services
:06:03. > :06:07.have problems as well. Business confidence is not strong. Consumer
:06:08. > :06:10.confidence is a week as well. The retail figures came out today and in
:06:11. > :06:16.food and fashion, they are going backwards. There is some willingness
:06:17. > :06:22.from consumers to spend on big items like furniture and such. We heard
:06:23. > :06:28.Professor Bell they're talking about the European referendum damaging
:06:29. > :06:31.business confidence. Could this have something to do with constitutional
:06:32. > :06:35.and certainty in Scotland? Yes, first of all, you are talking about
:06:36. > :06:41.the prospect of a Brexit, the question of whether the UK leave the
:06:42. > :06:47.European Union in June. -- leaves. It is already affecting investment
:06:48. > :06:49.and things been postponed, particularly in the property sector
:06:50. > :06:54.in Scotland where house prices fallen, which is not the case in any
:06:55. > :06:58.part of the UK. There is something different about the Scottish
:06:59. > :07:03.property market there. Inward investors as well looking at the UK
:07:04. > :07:09.as a place to invest will be suspect about the risk of that uncertainty,
:07:10. > :07:14.about Britain's trading position. We know and it was referred to again
:07:15. > :07:21.thereby Professor Bell, we know that if Britain votes to leave the EU and
:07:22. > :07:24.Scotland does not, we are back into independent referendum territory. --
:07:25. > :07:29.independence referendum. But even if it doesn't, Scotland has realigned
:07:30. > :07:33.itself, whoever is to blame, they have seen to realign themselves
:07:34. > :07:36.around this question of Independence. That brings
:07:37. > :07:39.uncertainty and there are economic consequences from a, because
:07:40. > :07:42.business does not lie that kind of political uncertainty. Are you
:07:43. > :07:46.surprised we haven't heard more from the politicians about this from the
:07:47. > :07:52.rest of the UK during the Scottish election campaign? I am quite
:07:53. > :07:58.surprised by the com yes. The familiar discussion in this fifth
:07:59. > :08:02.Scottish Parliamentary election is around spending priorities, how will
:08:03. > :08:05.you put big lumps of money into things that are popular?
:08:06. > :08:09.Particularly the health service and education or whatever. We have the
:08:10. > :08:13.new dimension about tax and that is really being talked about in terms
:08:14. > :08:21.of how you redistribute the extent to which you can use the levers of
:08:22. > :08:24.tax. How you use them to close the inequality gap, for instance. There
:08:25. > :08:28.is little discussion about what is happening in the economy long term,
:08:29. > :08:32.the big trends, some are global trends, those that affect Scotland
:08:33. > :08:35.in particular and what can be done about them. There is a little
:08:36. > :08:39.analysis coming from any of the parties about what Scotland needs to
:08:40. > :08:46.do next to take the economy and to regenerate bits of it which it
:08:47. > :08:49.inevitably needs, it needs regeneration, industries that way as
:08:50. > :08:53.others come up and what you can do about that does not seem to be part
:08:54. > :08:57.of the debate that we have got in the Scottish Holyrood election. OK,
:08:58. > :08:58.Douglas, thank you for coming in this evening.
:08:59. > :09:01.The Ukip leader in Scotland, David Coburn, has said his
:09:02. > :09:03.critics in the party should consider quitting.
:09:04. > :09:06.On the campaign trail in Inverness, Mr Coburn hit back at the ten senior
:09:07. > :09:09.activists who wrote to party bosses calling for him to be replaced.
:09:10. > :09:22.Here's our political correspondent, Glenn Campbell.
:09:23. > :09:29.Ukip's larger than a life lead in Scotland has a Nigel Farage for
:09:30. > :09:33.company in Inverness. The UK party leader and also to David Cockburn
:09:34. > :09:38.and has little time for those who have demanded his replacement. We
:09:39. > :09:43.are on the verge of establishing a toehold in Holyrood. Some people are
:09:44. > :09:48.jealous, it happens in every party and walk of life. -- Holyrood. Among
:09:49. > :09:51.the critics, the UK former treasurer in Lothian who says he acted not out
:09:52. > :09:57.of jealousy but concern for his party's reputation. I look at David
:09:58. > :10:01.Cockburn in a position of prominence and think whoever made that decision
:10:02. > :10:05.that he is a good candidate to be in that job and he clearly isn't in
:10:06. > :10:10.terms of his character and terms of its competence. Mr Coburn's
:10:11. > :10:15.opponents say Ukip is dysfunctional in Scotland and in a letter to party
:10:16. > :10:19.headquarters, blamed him for bad publicity. It was after appearing on
:10:20. > :10:24.a BBC debate on immigration that Mr Coburn amid comments comparing the
:10:25. > :10:30.SNP Government minister to the terrorist supporting cleric Abu
:10:31. > :10:34.Hamza. It was eschew but think to say and inappropriate. He
:10:35. > :10:39.apologised, but the activist's letter described this as a major
:10:40. > :10:43.public gaffe. -- public gas. The document also raises concerns about
:10:44. > :10:56.the liberal strategy dubbed operation...
:10:57. > :11:07.I'm sorry, I am a patriot. Today, Mr Coburn insisted he had not realised
:11:08. > :11:11.he used the wrong name. Before arriving here in Inverness, David
:11:12. > :11:15.Cockburn dismissed the criticism as a nonsense. He says those
:11:16. > :11:20.responsible were a disgruntled minority and that half of the group
:11:21. > :11:25.of ten had already left the party. Now, he wants the other half to
:11:26. > :11:28.think about going to. They should consider their positions and quite
:11:29. > :11:32.frankly, they have not been doing much for the party. They did not
:11:33. > :11:35.help me get elected and are not doing anything in this campaign, so
:11:36. > :11:40.quite honestly, what is the point of them being in the party if they're
:11:41. > :11:45.not doing that? Mr Coburn's keeping his job and does not think his party
:11:46. > :11:50.critics will harm his chances of toasting future election success.
:11:51. > :11:54.Now, the prospect of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton facing each
:11:55. > :11:57.other in the US Presidential election in November moved a step
:11:58. > :12:00.closer last night as they each won decisive victories in their home
:12:01. > :12:03.Both frontrunners are now well on their way to securing
:12:04. > :12:08.Joining me now from Washington to discuss where they go from here,
:12:09. > :12:15.is our North American reporter, Anthony Zurcher.
:12:16. > :12:21.Anthony, a comfortable winner last night by Hillary Clinton in her home
:12:22. > :12:26.state. Is it all but over and for Bernie Sanders? It is looking that
:12:27. > :12:30.way. He had longer odds going into New York to get the nomination and
:12:31. > :12:34.with the decisive winner by Hillary Clinton, it is all but impossible.
:12:35. > :12:39.She raised all of the games Sanders made when he won seven at the last
:12:40. > :12:43.eight states in just one fell swoop with this dominating performance in
:12:44. > :12:49.New York. So it is not looking good for him. And yet, he has not stepped
:12:50. > :12:55.aside? No, he hasn't. And he entered this race wanting to Bush is
:12:56. > :12:58.progressive against -- agenda, free college education universal. I do
:12:59. > :13:03.think he think he thought he would be competitive when he entered the
:13:04. > :13:05.race, so the fact it is now out of reach does not mean he cannot
:13:06. > :13:10.continue to talk about the issues that are important to him and he can
:13:11. > :13:14.get to the convention and maybe shape the Democratic platform, shape
:13:15. > :13:19.their agenda going forward. Last night was also a big winner for
:13:20. > :13:26.Donald Trump. But a gift -- but a bit of a different tone? He has made
:13:27. > :13:29.a name for himself with his brash attitude, his belligerence, his loud
:13:30. > :13:33.outspokenness, and it was a much more moderate, restrained Donald
:13:34. > :13:38.Trump last night. He was talking about the economy, not belittling
:13:39. > :13:41.his opponent, he was emphasising his electability and the number of votes
:13:42. > :13:46.he has got, the number of delegates he has got and although earlier
:13:47. > :13:50.today he was back on the campaign Trail and sounding a little more
:13:51. > :13:55.like his old self, so we will see how long this new Donald Trump last.
:13:56. > :13:58.It was a good knife him and he were not delegates in New York and kept
:13:59. > :14:06.his hopes of winning the nomination alive. What happens if he doesn't
:14:07. > :14:12.win the nomination outright? Well, if he doesn't follow this path and
:14:13. > :14:15.get winners next week in places like Pennsylvania, Maryland, Indiana and
:14:16. > :14:20.California at the beginning of June, if he doesn't take this magic mark
:14:21. > :14:24.of 1237 delegates, then it could be an open convention and at that
:14:25. > :14:26.point, there will be a lot of political wrangling in Cleveland
:14:27. > :14:32.where the Republicans all meat if Trump does not somehow manage the
:14:33. > :14:35.delegates to come over to his side. Someone like Ted Cruz, his primary
:14:36. > :14:42.opponent would have an opportunity to make his pitch.
:14:43. > :14:48.They could convince someone who wasn't running for President to take
:14:49. > :14:54.nominations. It is unprecedented in modern US politics. What happens
:14:55. > :14:58.next? Next Tuesday, we have another slate of states. Pennsylvania,
:14:59. > :15:02.Maryland, Connecticut, Delaware. A lot of states that are close to New
:15:03. > :15:06.York and similar to New York in their attitude and style. Right now,
:15:07. > :15:10.Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are leading in the polls, and if they
:15:11. > :15:15.take this momentum, this surge of support that they got last night in
:15:16. > :15:19.New York and turn it into wins next week across the board, I think they
:15:20. > :15:23.have got to be feeling pretty confident that they will face off
:15:24. > :15:27.against each other in November. What can we gauge so far from this
:15:28. > :15:32.process about who might actually be the next president of the United
:15:33. > :15:37.States? Well, it has been surprising on the Republican side how much
:15:38. > :15:40.support outsiders have got. I don't think anyone thought that Donald
:15:41. > :15:45.Trump would be able to generate the kind of support he has. Ted Cruz was
:15:46. > :15:49.considered an outsider, as well. Someone who wasn't well liked in
:15:50. > :15:56.Washington by the establishment, and he is in second place candidates. A
:15:57. > :15:59.lot of anger and resentment over among Republican voters. So that you
:16:00. > :16:04.can see the Democratic side, too. Hillary Clinton was the chosen one,
:16:05. > :16:07.the one who had all the money, all the establishment support. Everyone
:16:08. > :16:12.thought she was going to be able to waltz to the and incomes Bernie
:16:13. > :16:18.Sanders who wasn't even registered as a Democrat when he entered the
:16:19. > :16:21.race. He has capitalised on the outs well among progressives, liberal
:16:22. > :16:27.tubercle believers, young voters who find his pitch for free college
:16:28. > :16:30.education to be essential. And so he has presented much more of a
:16:31. > :16:37.challenge than anyone could have imagined. It has been a contest of
:16:38. > :16:39.surprises and outside is doing well. Thank you for joining us. My
:16:40. > :16:40.pleasure. We've heard a lot from candidates
:16:41. > :16:42.during this election campaign about protecting
:16:43. > :16:46.Scotland's natural resources. They were at it on this
:16:47. > :16:49.programme just last night. But they usually mean wind,
:16:50. > :16:51.solar or tidal power. When was the last time
:16:52. > :16:54.you heard a politician Well, I should warn you that this
:16:55. > :17:00.report from Huw Williams contains explicit shots of adults sniffing
:17:01. > :17:18.soil - which some viewers And lastly hear our lovable
:17:19. > :17:23.countrymen Arthur Fallowfield. I think the answer lies in the soil.
:17:24. > :17:29.It may just be that Kenneth Williams' character had a point.
:17:30. > :17:34.This field at the southern end of Loch Lomond has some of the best
:17:35. > :17:40.views in Scotland. It also has the best soil. It won top prize at last
:17:41. > :17:43.year's Royal Highland show. What makes the soil so special, it is
:17:44. > :17:49.more to do with what I haven't done than what I have done. We don't use
:17:50. > :17:54.ammonium nitrate fertiliser, which is acidic. The pH in this field has
:17:55. > :17:57.remained at about 5.9, which is not perfect, but not too bad. I haven't
:17:58. > :18:03.spread lime for eight years now here. The other things we don't use
:18:04. > :18:07.of herbicides and pesticides, which may damage the microorganisms in the
:18:08. > :18:12.soil. Goes on, look at this field and tell that this is prize-winning
:18:13. > :18:15.soil? I don't think you could answer that, you have to get your spade out
:18:16. > :18:22.and did. You have to see what is down below to know where the soil is
:18:23. > :18:24.good and healthy. We can see the roots coming through the soil
:18:25. > :18:32.sample, that is good. It should have an earthy smell to it, that has a
:18:33. > :18:36.soil smell. They are sampling soil in Glasgow, too. These artists are
:18:37. > :18:40.part of soil city, an initiative launched at the Glasgow
:18:41. > :18:46.International Festival. They've come to this rose garden to look beneath
:18:47. > :18:51.the surface. Soil city is a project to reimagine the city as if soil
:18:52. > :18:54.matters. It is in Glasgow and we are trying to engage people, citizens,
:18:55. > :18:59.activists, food growers, scientist. We're trying to bring all those
:19:00. > :19:02.people together to have the conversation about soil and really
:19:03. > :19:06.look at soil as a collective resource. It is so essential to
:19:07. > :19:09.everything that we do, do how we produce our food, particularly in an
:19:10. > :19:14.urban context, soil is often a bit neglected. We don't think about it.
:19:15. > :19:17.Soil is something in the countryside, something that farmers
:19:18. > :19:21.might care about, but it is essential to everything we do in the
:19:22. > :19:25.city, as well. The James Hudson Institute in Aberdeen has been
:19:26. > :19:31.sampling soil the decades. It is home to Scotland's national soil
:19:32. > :19:38.archive. It really is a library of one of our most valuable resources.
:19:39. > :19:42.One of its main worth is when you resample the soil. You can tell how
:19:43. > :19:53.the soil has changed, for good or bad. As the carbon level dropped?
:19:54. > :20:01.Increased? Has the New Jersey drops? Has the pH change? Should soil be an
:20:02. > :20:07.election issue? The artist behind the project say yes. It should be an
:20:08. > :20:12.issue. We are facing massive soil problems that is really in jeopardy
:20:13. > :20:17.at the moment. It is also where a lot of life lives, it is full of
:20:18. > :20:20.life in soil, but maybe not in cities where we have damaged that
:20:21. > :20:24.soil, so part of the idea behind soil city is to bring people
:20:25. > :20:29.together into this conversation to think about, what can we do to
:20:30. > :20:35.revalue soil in the city? Giving people and politicians to care about
:20:36. > :20:39.soil might not be easy, but it is fundamentally important. -- getting
:20:40. > :20:44.people. Perhaps we all need to acknowledge that. It is also
:20:45. > :20:46.important for food production, important for farmers, their
:20:47. > :20:51.fundamental resource. They use it to grow crops and grow grass to feed
:20:52. > :20:56.livestock. It is also really important for looking after the
:20:57. > :21:00.environment. Soil has a big part to play in preventing greenhouse gas
:21:01. > :21:06.emissions. Soil is really important for everyone. He knew what he was
:21:07. > :21:07.talking about, that Arthur Fallowfield. I think the answer lies
:21:08. > :21:09.in the soil. Now joining me in the studio
:21:10. > :21:13.to discuss some of the day's other news is the health journalist
:21:14. > :21:15.Pennie Taylor and the Daily Record's Political Editor,
:21:16. > :21:27.Magnus Gardham. Let's go back to that Ukip story.
:21:28. > :21:37.David Cockburn's troubles from within his own ranks. Coburn. Ten
:21:38. > :21:42.people have said he is not suitable to be the face of the Brexit
:21:43. > :21:47.campaign. Is that fair? It is a sign of a complete shambles that is Ukip.
:21:48. > :21:55.Certainly when it comes to the Brexit campaign, it is going to be
:21:56. > :21:57.very interesting to see whether Vote Leave, the officially designated
:21:58. > :21:59.league campaign will have anything to do with David Coburn. From their
:22:00. > :22:48.point to do with David Coburn. From their
:22:49. > :22:50.their only elected official here in Scotland. If he wasn't at the helm,
:22:51. > :24:06.who would there be to Scotland. If he wasn't at the helm,
:24:07. > :24:10.world anti-doping agency is in Scotland tomorrow to talk about how
:24:11. > :24:14.clean athletes can be better protected against athletes who
:24:15. > :24:15.cheat. In advance of his talk in sterling, he has been speaking to
:24:16. > :24:24.the BBC. Is there a point at which you look
:24:25. > :24:29.at the least level sport, taking up space value the nature of those
:24:30. > :24:40.performances? Yes and no. I don't watch cycling any more. I just don't
:24:41. > :24:47.care. I hope the clearing it up a bit, but as we say in my continent,
:24:48. > :24:51.I am from Missouri, show me. The other things, even athletics. I
:24:52. > :24:55.don't know how you watch, but if I watch a 100 metre race, I watch the
:24:56. > :25:00.race in excitement and then I look at the time. It is not one of these
:25:01. > :25:03.things were you watch the clock and when the clock stops you look down
:25:04. > :25:09.and try to figure out who got there first. It can still be exciting. But
:25:10. > :25:17.what I don't like is when the uncertainty disappears. You can see
:25:18. > :25:20.the full interview tomorrow night on HARDtalk at 8:30pm on BBC News.
:25:21. > :25:30.Magnus, before I ask you about that, I must correct my mistake. I am so
:25:31. > :25:35.sorry, I don't know why I said that. I do apologise. Just listening to
:25:36. > :25:38.his comments then, do you think a lot of people share his
:25:39. > :25:43.disillusionment about competitive sports now? Absolutely, I do. I
:25:44. > :25:49.thought it was rather sad to hear him say that he no longer watches
:25:50. > :25:55.cycling. I am an avid cycling fan, and I think to hear him say that is
:25:56. > :25:59.a real blow to cycling. It undermines the efforts that the
:26:00. > :26:05.sport is making to clean itself up after the infamous Lance Armstrong
:26:06. > :26:11.era. Having said that, cycling particularly has a huge uphill
:26:12. > :26:22.struggle to go along to rehabilitate itself. Fans of all sports hope that
:26:23. > :26:27.winning performances are clean, but there have been enough scandals to
:26:28. > :26:32.sell a seed of doubt in our minds, sadly. I wonder if we should be at
:26:33. > :26:37.all surprised that is competitive cyclists, athletes, will do anything
:26:38. > :26:43.to win. Reflecting on this story today, I realise that all my life,
:26:44. > :26:50.I've grown up with stories about suspicions of what athletes were on.
:26:51. > :26:53.It used to be Eastern Europe, European athletes, and women who
:26:54. > :26:57.looked too much like men. It has gone on for ever. There is another
:26:58. > :27:03.kind of race here, which is a game of TB P between the regulators and
:27:04. > :27:08.those in whose interest it is to stretch the boundaries, sometimes
:27:09. > :27:16.legally, sometimes illegally. It seems to be that it is integral to
:27:17. > :27:21.sport, and probably always has been. But why do you think it matters so
:27:22. > :27:24.much to the public? They're just trying to enhance their performance,
:27:25. > :27:28.to be as good as they can be. Some people might argue that is OK if
:27:29. > :27:32.everyone is doing it. Certainly. Cycling is a funny example.
:27:33. > :27:37.Throughout much of the history cycling, it wasn't seen as cheating
:27:38. > :27:41.to have a little me up, amphetamines and a tot of brandy in the old days,
:27:42. > :27:46.it was part of the sport. If something helps an athlete perform
:27:47. > :27:52.better and everyone was doing it, hey, why worry? I think it has
:27:53. > :27:57.changed because the drugs have become so much more sophisticated.
:27:58. > :28:03.You've got into this arms race, really, between the testis and the
:28:04. > :28:11.coaches and the doctors who are producing performance enhancing
:28:12. > :28:15.drugs. I think that is really changing the performances and they
:28:16. > :28:22.become no longer credible. Is it taking the magic away? Fact it is
:28:23. > :28:25.so... I don't think so. When I sit and watch an Olympic sprint, I am
:28:26. > :28:30.still in awe of the human effort that has gone into it. It is
:28:31. > :28:34.disappointing if, at some point later, it emerges that that wasn't
:28:35. > :28:38.necessarily the fair race that it purported to be. We can't possibly
:28:39. > :28:46.have a world where athletes have to be pumped up with fundamentally
:28:47. > :28:48.experimental drugs before they can compete. We have to leave it there.
:28:49. > :28:49.Thanks for coming in. I'm back tomorrow night, usual time,
:28:50. > :28:54.so do please join me if you can. How are you feeling?
:28:55. > :29:07.I'm withdrawing...very heavily. Returning to Britain tomorrow:
:29:08. > :29:45.the not-so-secret weapon President Obama and Americans
:29:46. > :29:55.of all political colours say So why exactly does the US seem
:29:56. > :30:02.to care so much about it? The UK is an important part of being
:30:03. > :30:07.part of the solution.