:00:09. > :00:29.MPs vote against a move to take in three thousand child
:00:30. > :00:33.MPs vote against a move to take in three thousand child
:00:34. > :00:47.We need the UK to step up to the mark and play its role in supporting
:00:48. > :00:48.other EU states to support young people by letting more people come
:00:49. > :00:51.into the UK. The only surgeon in Scotland
:00:52. > :00:53.training to work in a rural hospital tells us about
:00:54. > :00:55.the current recruitment crisis. Will issues close to home
:00:56. > :00:59.sway your vote? Or will the bigger picture
:01:00. > :01:10.have more of an impact? The government has seen off
:01:11. > :01:13.an attempt to force the UK to take an additional 3,000 child
:01:14. > :01:17.refugees from Europe. The Commons voted 294 to 276
:01:18. > :01:23.to overturn Lord Dubs' amendment to the Immigration Bill,
:01:24. > :01:25.though several Tory MPs voiced their concerns
:01:26. > :01:28.that the government is not doing enough to deal with
:01:29. > :01:32.the refugee crisis. The immigration minister
:01:33. > :01:34.James Brokenshire said the government wanted to protect
:01:35. > :01:39.and support refugee children but argued that taking
:01:40. > :01:41.more from Europe could have the unintended consequence
:01:42. > :01:57.of putting more at risk. It's called the jungle on the
:01:58. > :02:04.outskirts of Caley. A staging post for people, adults and children,
:02:05. > :02:10.trying to get to Britain. This is a jungle, they stayed in six months.
:02:11. > :02:15.Never managed to get through. With all the attempts, eventually he met
:02:16. > :02:24.with the lawyers and they brought him in. He came in through Europe.
:02:25. > :02:33.Every month, around five or six unaccompanied children arrive in
:02:34. > :02:38.Glasgow, seeking asylum. We see girls, boys, roughly between 16 and
:02:39. > :02:44.17 years old, they fled from countries such as Eritrea,
:02:45. > :02:48.Afghanistan. They may have also been trafficked into Scotland. Each of
:02:49. > :02:52.them gets a guardian to guide them through the process, a scheme
:02:53. > :02:56.pioneered in Scotland. Having somebody who is there either side
:02:57. > :03:01.and on their side to speak up for them and make sure that people that
:03:02. > :03:05.need to do things do them correctly, it allows those people to have a
:03:06. > :03:10.voice in these difficult processes they would never have encountered
:03:11. > :03:14.before. The UK Government says the best way to help people on the move
:03:15. > :03:17.from Syria and other conflict zones is while there is still in the
:03:18. > :03:24.region, before they make the hazardous journey to Europe across
:03:25. > :03:29.the Mediterranean. But, since the beginning of the year, more than
:03:30. > :03:34.150,000 migrants have arrived in Greece. That is 15 times the number
:03:35. > :03:41.of people who arrived in the same period last year. And well over a
:03:42. > :03:44.third of them are children. So, should the UK except more
:03:45. > :03:50.unaccompanied children from places like the jungle and refugee camps in
:03:51. > :03:53.Europe? That was the aim of an amendment to the Immigration Bill
:03:54. > :03:59.debated at Westminster this evening. We know there are children who are
:04:00. > :04:03.alone across Europe, subject to abuse, to prostitution, rape,
:04:04. > :04:07.smuggling and trafficking, gangs. 10,000 child refugees have just
:04:08. > :04:12.disappeared. Written should be one of the countries who is doing their
:04:13. > :04:16.bit to help. This is a moral responsibility. The camp at Caley is
:04:17. > :04:21.a shanty town, it is an extraordinary thing to see in
:04:22. > :04:25.Europe. It is muddy and basic. There are many unaccompanied children
:04:26. > :04:29.there, and these children are viable, confused and unaware of
:04:30. > :04:33.their options. There is no British government presence there, despite
:04:34. > :04:38.the fact many of these children have connections with the United Kingdom.
:04:39. > :04:43.In the house, the government argued the UK is already meeting its
:04:44. > :04:45.obligation and more. Last week, I announced a new resettlement scheme
:04:46. > :04:51.for children at risk. This initiative will be the largest
:04:52. > :04:55.resettlement that focuses on children at risk. Children that
:04:56. > :04:59.might otherwise attempt their own journeys to Europe and the UK. We
:05:00. > :05:02.have worked closely with the UNHCR on a scheme that protects the most
:05:03. > :05:10.fungible children, we are settling up to 3,000 children,... The
:05:11. > :05:14.government overturned the amendment which would have required the UK to
:05:15. > :05:15.accept more child refugees from Europe.
:05:16. > :05:19.And with me now is David Pratt who has been out and followed
:05:20. > :05:21.the refugee trail from the Syria-Turkey border.
:05:22. > :05:30.David is also Contributing Foreign Editor to the Sunday Herald.
:05:31. > :05:37.Good evening. So, this debate tonight, just to be clear, was all
:05:38. > :05:41.about the best way to help these unaccompanied children. What is the
:05:42. > :05:47.difference in the two positions? The government's has issued is the
:05:48. > :05:53.numbers were the same 3,000, which came with two caveats. One is that,
:05:54. > :05:59.obviously, it is outside the European Union. And the other is, of
:06:00. > :06:04.course, is that it is spread until 2020, which is an average of 600
:06:05. > :06:07.refugee children a year up until then, whereas at the moment what the
:06:08. > :06:13.amendment was proposing was, obviously, 3,000 children currently
:06:14. > :06:17.in Europe at the moment, unaccompanied, being brought it
:06:18. > :06:21.immediately. You've been to Europe, to Turkey, you've met child migrants
:06:22. > :06:30.along the way. What is your take on it? The numbers are staggering. This
:06:31. > :06:33.is a shameful night for the government, and it sends out a
:06:34. > :06:41.horrendous message about Britain and where we stand on this issue. These
:06:42. > :06:45.are incredibly vulnerable people. We estimate around 10,000 unaccompanied
:06:46. > :06:51.children unaccounted for in Europe at this precise time. It is
:06:52. > :06:55.interesting to night the government's argument was simply
:06:56. > :06:59.this idea that, somehow, this will prevent more children falling into
:07:00. > :07:05.the hands of traffickers, of going missing in that way. Isn't there a
:07:06. > :07:08.point to that, though? If parents back in these war-torn countries see
:07:09. > :07:13.that their children might get safety by sending them to Europe, they
:07:14. > :07:16.might go and do that. There's two things there. One is I love this
:07:17. > :07:26.notion that somehow there are families sitting in the ruins of
:07:27. > :07:32.Aleppo or Homs or whatever, thinking it is conspiratorially plan. It
:07:33. > :07:39.doesn't work like that. This is a cynical move by the government. They
:07:40. > :07:44.didn't want to create... If you can get them to Calais, they will get
:07:45. > :07:48.into the United Kingdom. So the idea that these numbers of people would
:07:49. > :07:54.be conspiratorially working in some way to actually get here to benefit
:07:55. > :07:57.from this system in a rather cynical way is utterly misguided. It is
:07:58. > :08:02.shameful in terms of the actual overall numbers. Save the Children
:08:03. > :08:07.say there are 2000 child refugees alone in northern Greece, fewer than
:08:08. > :08:11.500 places for them and they are all full. What we know about what is
:08:12. > :08:16.happening for these children that don't have safety? As I say, there
:08:17. > :08:19.is 10,000 unaccounted for. Some of them may have gone into the hands of
:08:20. > :08:27.traffickers, some of them may simply have made their own way to family or
:08:28. > :08:31.other areas within Europe itself. There is no hard facts about where
:08:32. > :08:34.they all are. The fact they are vulnerable, the fact they are
:08:35. > :08:39.vulnerable in terms of predatory organised crime, is without doubt.
:08:40. > :08:44.When I was coming down through the Syrian border, through Turkey and
:08:45. > :08:48.its ports, I spoke with many refugees there who pointed this out,
:08:49. > :08:52.that there are serious problems with organised crimes. The other thing to
:08:53. > :08:56.stress here is that many of the refugees I spoke to have no
:08:57. > :09:00.intentions of coming to Europe. This tends to be forgotten. The vast
:09:01. > :09:04.majority of Syrians are content to stay in Turkey because they want to
:09:05. > :09:10.go back to Syria. This knocks on the head the notion that they are
:09:11. > :09:11.looking for the opportunity to get here under the auspices of the
:09:12. > :09:14.government. Thank you. The only poll that matters
:09:15. > :09:16.is on polling day. These and many other slices
:09:17. > :09:21.of conventional wisdom will be served up between now and the end
:09:22. > :09:25.of this election campaign. They have the status of truisms,
:09:26. > :09:30.but are they actually true? Between now and polling day,
:09:31. > :09:32.our special correspondent Kenneth MacDonald is
:09:33. > :09:35.setting out to bust, or at least examine,
:09:36. > :10:02.a few myths. Who said that, then? This guy, the
:10:03. > :10:06.great American political operator. Is all politics really local? There
:10:07. > :10:11.are plenty of people who will tell you that, but this applied in
:10:12. > :10:17.America in the 20th century so is it true for Holyrood in the 21st? This
:10:18. > :10:22.is Glasgow. It used to be football pitches here. The council would like
:10:23. > :10:25.it to be flats. Campaigners like it the way it is. Scottish ministers
:10:26. > :10:30.have called in the planning application. We started with the
:10:31. > :10:35.councillors, officer, but very quickly we realised that you had to
:10:36. > :10:41.know who your MSP was. To be fair to them, they all came down here and
:10:42. > :10:45.had a tour themselves. Week 11 this land, we, the people, and the land.
:10:46. > :10:51.We've never been asked what to do with it. They say all politics is
:10:52. > :10:56.local. Can a campaign like yours actually feed into national politics
:10:57. > :11:00.or affect it? Nationally, I have different ideas about which oversees
:11:01. > :11:05.should be in place but locally this will affect the way I vote. I'd like
:11:06. > :11:10.to think I'm influencing people and I like to think people are
:11:11. > :11:13.influencing each other. If various parties say consistently, yes, we
:11:14. > :11:17.hear what you have to say, we know you have a case for this but our
:11:18. > :11:21.party policy is to not accept this, then I don't know how they can
:11:22. > :11:25.engage the community on a whole range of issues, really. These are
:11:26. > :11:29.big issues and 20 get up to the top politics, you hear politicians
:11:30. > :11:34.talking about them, and you realise you are doing it in practice.
:11:35. > :11:37.There's kids behind us climbing in the trees and things like that,
:11:38. > :11:43.people growing an allotment, there is a community orchard, so we are
:11:44. > :11:48.tackling big issues on a local and practical way. On a completely
:11:49. > :11:52.unscientific exercise, we asked our local campaigners if they could
:11:53. > :11:58.march local candidates to their parties. I'm not sure. I'm going to
:11:59. > :12:02.stick this one that looks most like a Tory. Most is approving. I don't
:12:03. > :12:07.think this gentleman is Scottish Labour but we will pop it on here.
:12:08. > :12:11.Other candidates are available but our cardboard and rose at budget is
:12:12. > :12:19.limited. I've no idea who the other three are it is difficult. To
:12:20. > :12:25.correct out of five. So, will a local issue where you are affect the
:12:26. > :12:27.way you vote in a national election? That is the question for you and the
:12:28. > :12:28.alert box. Now with me are two veteran
:12:29. > :12:31.election commentators, In Edinburgh, Iain Macwhirter,
:12:32. > :12:42.and with me in the studio, When you look at how the campaigns
:12:43. > :12:47.in this election are being run, do you think local issues are getting a
:12:48. > :12:54.look in? I den think they are getting a look in. Particularly
:12:55. > :12:59.since the referendum, politics in Scotland has been very much
:13:00. > :13:03.polarised. That is in common with much of the Western world, the UK
:13:04. > :13:09.and the US. There are various reasons for that. The binary debate
:13:10. > :13:15.we had during the referendum campaign has polarised Scottish
:13:16. > :13:16.politics. So it is Scottish/ national issues which are dominating
:13:17. > :13:29.this campaign. Ian, do you think that polarisation
:13:30. > :13:33.is maybe putting voters off? I don't think all politics is local, but all
:13:34. > :13:38.political organisation has to be local. We saw this during the
:13:39. > :13:42.referendum campaign in a very striking way when organisations at
:13:43. > :13:50.the radical independence campaign moved into areas that hadn't been
:13:51. > :13:55.voting for many years. That led to the kind of mobilisation we haven't
:13:56. > :14:02.really seen in any form of elections in the last half century. We had 97%
:14:03. > :14:09.voting registration in the referendum. That's a record and it
:14:10. > :14:13.was 85% turnout on the day. But, as Paul says, the issue was the biggest
:14:14. > :14:18.you can have, really. It's what country you want to be in, but the
:14:19. > :14:23.organisation was very much local. It was getting people out to the
:14:24. > :14:28.polling booths. But if people were harnessed by this excitement of the
:14:29. > :14:32.referendum, fully engage in a grassroots way, is there a danger
:14:33. > :14:35.that that has disappeared now and people are feeling disillusioned
:14:36. > :14:41.that they can't really make an impact? Perhaps there is a little
:14:42. > :14:50.bit of weariness in that sense, but to come back to what Ian was saying
:14:51. > :14:54.the campaigning is local, the issues have been pushed aside almost. This
:14:55. > :14:58.is something that is in comment with a lot of the political world, but in
:14:59. > :15:02.Scotland it is mainly the big issues. The party machines being
:15:03. > :15:09.what they are these days, there is very that room for an independently
:15:10. > :15:14.minded career politician in any of the big parties. Perhaps the Greens
:15:15. > :15:21.to a certain extent, Lib Dems, perhaps. But there is very little
:15:22. > :15:26.room for anyone who is going to countermand the party line. Do you
:15:27. > :15:31.think that is true, Ian? Yes, politicians face a difficult problem
:15:32. > :15:34.here because often when they ask their constituents, they will say it
:15:35. > :15:39.is local issues that concern them. We saw this in 2004 when Jack
:15:40. > :15:45.McConnell was First Minister of Scotland and labour was trying to
:15:46. > :15:49.look at ways of reenergising their party and the coalition
:15:50. > :15:54.administration at the time. They went and asked people, lots of focus
:15:55. > :15:59.groups, what do you want? Top of the list came clearing up dog mess on
:16:00. > :16:05.the streets, and they translated that into the implements dog dirt
:16:06. > :16:10.bill, which brought the parliament into some degree of disrepute. But
:16:11. > :16:16.you can understand why they made that mistake. They asked local
:16:17. > :16:21.people what the local issues were. They said that people hanging around
:16:22. > :16:25.on the street corners, but when it comes to voting, it's not be local
:16:26. > :16:28.issues that motivate people. It tends to be the bigger and bolder
:16:29. > :16:35.issues that decide political choices. And yet there have been
:16:36. > :16:37.more big issues to discuss at this Scottish election than any other
:16:38. > :16:44.Scottish election and people seem a bit bored. I think that's just
:16:45. > :16:52.because there had been too many elections. We had two referendums, a
:16:53. > :16:58.general election... There is a election fatigue. Exactly. People
:16:59. > :17:04.are all democratised out, which sounds terrible to say. This
:17:05. > :17:11.election has been almost overshadowed by the EU referendum.
:17:12. > :17:15.Even that has failed to catch fire. I think people are just a bit... It
:17:16. > :17:20.means I have to make a decision. I think people are a bit weary. You
:17:21. > :17:24.might have thought social media, for example, might have brought local
:17:25. > :17:29.issues to the forefront, and energise the campaign. Yes, there is
:17:30. > :17:33.a parallel here with journalism because some people often said the
:17:34. > :17:37.same thing, that all journalism is local. And that has never really
:17:38. > :17:42.been the case. And people argue that elections turn on the national
:17:43. > :17:46.issues because it is the mass media that tends to foreground those
:17:47. > :17:50.issues and people tend to get their political information from the mass
:17:51. > :17:56.media. Now we have social media, which is hyper local, and, you would
:17:57. > :18:01.think that it would mean that both journalism and local politics would
:18:02. > :18:08.be much more locally focused, but soap either has not been much
:18:09. > :18:09.evidence of it. It has been useful in a political organisation, but
:18:10. > :18:13.hasn't made it more local. A shortage of surgeons willing
:18:14. > :18:16.to work in remote areas is putting at risk the future of Scotland's six
:18:17. > :18:19.rural general hospitals, according The move in recent years has been
:18:20. > :18:23.towards centralising surgery in specialist centres
:18:24. > :18:24.in Scotland's cities. The Royal College is recommending
:18:25. > :18:28.more generally trained consultants At the moment there's only one
:18:29. > :18:35.junior doctor training to work in general surgery
:18:36. > :18:38.at a remote hospital. He's Stuart Fergusson and he came
:18:39. > :18:41.in to see me earlier, before dashing off to start a late
:18:42. > :18:53.shift. Good evening. Why do you think that
:18:54. > :18:59.you are alone in Scotland in wanting to train in general surgery, to work
:19:00. > :19:03.in a remote hospital? I think one of the major reasons is that it's not
:19:04. > :19:08.something that we have exposure to as surgical trainees. The nature of
:19:09. > :19:14.surgical training is that it's concentrated mainly in large city
:19:15. > :19:17.centres. We don't spend very much of our time in remote and rural
:19:18. > :19:24.environments. I think if people were to spend time at medical school, as
:19:25. > :19:27.I did, in a remote and rural environment, they would see
:19:28. > :19:34.something of the beauty of the place and the unique nature of the job,
:19:35. > :19:37.the interest. But as time goes on, people begin to settle in the
:19:38. > :19:44.situation that therein and it's harder for them to uproot family or
:19:45. > :19:49.advertise to other places. I would have thought from a lifestyle point
:19:50. > :19:53.of view it would have been quite an attractive option. Do you think
:19:54. > :19:58.there is still a bit of professional snobbery? That's an interesting
:19:59. > :20:01.question. I would say that honestly I have had a lot of encouragement
:20:02. > :20:08.from people who have been very positive about rural surgery. They
:20:09. > :20:12.recognise that 20% of Scottish population lives in the ruble area,
:20:13. > :20:18.and for the most remote areas of Scotland, it simply not practical to
:20:19. > :20:23.expect them to travel huge distances for every kind of hospital service.
:20:24. > :20:29.It's absolutely essential that the remotest part of Scotland's are
:20:30. > :20:34.served by General hospitals that are capable, able to provide really the
:20:35. > :20:39.majority of general surgery services that an urban population could
:20:40. > :20:43.expect. Is it as safe as being treated in a specialist centre? Yes,
:20:44. > :20:51.absolutely. There is good data on that. I think there is room in
:20:52. > :20:58.Scotland for generalists and specialists. I would not disagree
:20:59. > :21:06.that more complex cancer specialist surgery would be better handling in
:21:07. > :21:10.a specialist centres, but the majority of work being performed is
:21:11. > :21:14.very much suitable for being performed in smaller centres. It can
:21:15. > :21:18.be done to a high standard and I have done some research into that
:21:19. > :21:26.person made. So how big a problem is the shortage and what needs to be
:21:27. > :21:29.done? I said earlier that early exposure is important, taking
:21:30. > :21:34.medical student to remote and rural hospitals on placement, and going
:21:35. > :21:41.there as a junior doctor. I had a one-week experience up in Shetland
:21:42. > :21:47.and it opened my eyes to how interesting a career it was. And how
:21:48. > :21:53.valuable a party can be of a small community. I think particularly at
:21:54. > :21:57.the early stages of surgical training, it's great to be in the
:21:58. > :21:59.space for a short period of time. Thanks and good luck with the night
:22:00. > :22:00.shift. Thank you. And with me for some analysis
:22:01. > :22:03.of today's other stories is Lindsay McIntosh,
:22:04. > :22:04.from The Times Scotland, and the Investigations Editor
:22:05. > :22:19.of the Sunday Herald, So, today the debate over
:22:20. > :22:23.shipbuilding on the Clyde dominated. The UK Government said it is
:22:24. > :22:28.committed to building new warships. Others say that a delay could
:22:29. > :22:32.threaten hundreds of jobs. How significant do you think is the
:22:33. > :22:42.timing of this row? Very significant for two reasons. One is the 210 Nick
:22:43. > :22:49.nature of shipbuilding. It is one of our prize industries and there are a
:22:50. > :22:54.lot of jobs at stake here. We were told that if we voted yes in the
:22:55. > :22:59.independence referendum, these people would not get the contracts
:23:00. > :23:05.to build these complex vessels from the UK, and now that, to an extent,
:23:06. > :23:09.that seems to be in doubt, and is a real political issue for that
:23:10. > :23:12.reason. And who is benefiting politically? I think the SNP have
:23:13. > :23:18.clearly got a strong case to make here that Scots were potentially
:23:19. > :23:26.misled before the referendum. Paul, the other story we start today was
:23:27. > :23:30.BHS going into administration. Hundreds of jobs more immediately at
:23:31. > :23:34.threat. Why do you think this particular story is dominating the
:23:35. > :23:39.headlines? Lindsey is right. Should building has always been an
:23:40. > :23:44.important part of Scottish life and it is obviously very important to
:23:45. > :23:50.the workers and families, but I'm always very puzzled about the
:23:51. > :23:56.attention given to a shipbuilding. When we look at public sector jobs
:23:57. > :24:03.that are being lost all the time. We are losing thousands of jobs in
:24:04. > :24:09.local authority just now, which is a result of political decisions. These
:24:10. > :24:14.seem to be politically manageable, whereas job losses in shipbuilding
:24:15. > :24:20.are somehow seen as a gross betrayal. I would pay tribute to the
:24:21. > :24:24.trade union, actually. I think they have played this very well and put
:24:25. > :24:28.it out at an opportune time. But I think we have do see that it is not
:24:29. > :24:33.a massive bit of the Scottish economy, although I wouldn't like to
:24:34. > :24:36.play down any job losses. This evening, the maestro of all
:24:37. > :24:43.interviewers, interviewed the Scottish political leaders. Here is,
:24:44. > :24:47.Gary Tank Commander. All the other folk at interview
:24:48. > :24:50.today, I've been telling them that you put your healing hands on my
:24:51. > :24:59.ankle and shouted, by the power of the Lib Dems, and it temporarily
:25:00. > :25:05.healed me. Did you? By the power of the Lib Dems! Unhealed! What would
:25:06. > :25:12.you do if Donald Trump got into power? Would you deal with him or
:25:13. > :25:18.dinghy him? I think America would dinghy him first. What do you think
:25:19. > :25:28.of his hair? He reminds me of Dookie Donnelly. Blow my mind. Three Green
:25:29. > :25:40.Bridge parcels for everyone. Is that what you are after? Three Green
:25:41. > :25:48.Bridge parcels. I'm talking about more sunshine. The majority of
:25:49. > :25:59.scientists are by no means of Missy and it. They're what? Honesty and,
:26:00. > :26:05.it's a big word. So you're talking about the world, not just Scotland?
:26:06. > :26:14.Yes, there's a lot of common ground. You have to set your priorities.
:26:15. > :26:23.Like Spectre? James Bond? It's not exactly like Spectre. What makes you
:26:24. > :26:33.better than Willie? I'm not a big fan of Willie. Sorry?
:26:34. > :26:39.I can't believe she said that. It pretty hard line for politicians to
:26:40. > :26:45.tread. How do you think they did? I think they all did really well. They
:26:46. > :26:51.didn't try to be overly funny and judge it badly, but there were some
:26:52. > :26:58.genuinely funny moments, with the possible exception of the UK leader.
:26:59. > :27:03.I have a slightly different view. I think the interviews were amusing,
:27:04. > :27:11.it's always entertaining to ship a politician use the word gash on
:27:12. > :27:19.national television. But for the first two weeks, we had a debate on
:27:20. > :27:24.tax and spending, but everybody has kind of given up. It's been one long
:27:25. > :27:28.running gag and stunned and I feel like it's good to try and make
:27:29. > :27:32.politics like and funny, but there is a fine line between that and
:27:33. > :27:39.dumbing down. I feel that this is the most trivial and bizarre thing I
:27:40. > :27:44.have ever covered. It's surreal. Isn't it good to humanise them
:27:45. > :27:50.though? I think if it's done occasionally, but I feel like I have
:27:51. > :28:02.seen too many daft stance. I'm just dying to get you next Thursday.
:28:03. > :28:13.Full-time working fathers apparently therein more. A beach penalty for
:28:14. > :28:17.female mothers was much less. What do you think is going on here? I
:28:18. > :28:25.think it is very interesting because we know that women earn much less.
:28:26. > :28:33.But not only do women mothers are mice, working fathers earn much
:28:34. > :28:39.more, so it is a double blow. They don't know what is behind it. They
:28:40. > :28:41.think it might be some dissemination, but they might also
:28:42. > :28:48.work more than their childless counterparts. I wonder if that could
:28:49. > :28:52.be a factor, it maybe once men have children they start taking on longer
:28:53. > :28:59.hours because they are killing the responsibility, maybe? Absolutely. I
:29:00. > :29:05.read the report and there was nothing that massively surprised me.
:29:06. > :29:10.I think the wider point is that this idea of equal joint parenting hasn't
:29:11. > :29:14.really made it from the region into reality yet. I'm sure it will happen
:29:15. > :29:18.to some families but not that many. I also think that the report made a
:29:19. > :29:23.good point about childcare as well, how it should be focused on years
:29:24. > :29:28.one and two, instead of three and four. A long way to go for gender
:29:29. > :29:32.equality. Do you think that attitudes are changing? I think
:29:33. > :29:36.there are signs that it is changing. I think if parental leave is embrace
:29:37. > :29:39.in the way it was intended and if society looks at a different model
:29:40. > :29:41.of parenting, maybe there is more equality ahead. Thanks for coming
:29:42. > :29:43.in. I'm back tomorrow night
:29:44. > :29:46.with the last of our The politicians will be answering
:29:47. > :29:50.your questions on housing.