:00:00. > :00:00.Broadband is three times faster in urban areas
:00:00. > :00:27.What can be done to bridge the digital divide?
:00:28. > :00:33.Slow broadband is damaging business in rural areas.
:00:34. > :00:36.Why is it taking so long to bring communications up to speed
:00:37. > :00:43.And they say the only poll that matters is on election day,
:00:44. > :00:54.but can opinion polls actually shape the outcome?
:00:55. > :00:57.If you live in a rural area, then you're likely to be
:00:58. > :01:02.While much of urban Scotland already benefits from superfast broadband,
:01:03. > :01:05.in more remote parts speeds sometimes are still no better than
:01:06. > :01:13.With just two days until election day, Ian Hamilton's been to Skye
:01:14. > :01:16.and found that poor mobile and broadband coverage is a key
:01:17. > :01:20.And he's spoken to one community that decided to take matters
:01:21. > :01:39.Some locals say on Skye that their ancient landscape has moved faster
:01:40. > :01:45.than today's broadband speeds. There is no doubt that the space and
:01:46. > :01:52.scenery makes it a desirable place to live, but if you have to work or
:01:53. > :01:56.run a business, not having the tools to do so can be frustrating. People
:01:57. > :02:02.have been complaining about rubbish broadband. Not only that, the mobile
:02:03. > :02:10.signals are bad. I have three mobile phones here and none of them can get
:02:11. > :02:17.3G or 4G networks. You don't have too go that far out of area to lose
:02:18. > :02:22.connections. This is a massive problem. We are now leaving ten one
:02:23. > :02:26.macro and heading for a community that got so restricted by slow
:02:27. > :02:33.broadband speeds, they decided to do something about it themselves. A
:02:34. > :02:44.not-for-profit company brings affordable broadband speeds to this
:02:45. > :02:59.community. As a lad he wandered far away... This woman makes you Tube
:03:00. > :03:03.films for music festivals. Jan says her regular provider was not fast
:03:04. > :03:08.enough for her to upload her films. She says she would never have built
:03:09. > :03:14.this magnificent home if she had not had decent Internet speeds. It means
:03:15. > :03:20.people can work in an area like this where you want to be. You are not in
:03:21. > :03:23.the rat race, you are not in the city and your market and customers
:03:24. > :03:32.could be anywhere, but you can get your work to them quickly and easily
:03:33. > :03:37.and efficiently. What happens here? It is recognise that more than 90%
:03:38. > :03:41.of households in Scotland have access to broadband, but the many,
:03:42. > :03:47.particularly in rural areas, the speeds are so poor, it is no better
:03:48. > :03:56.than dial-up. This is what motivated Chris to create the company. We
:03:57. > :04:04.created it in 2012, the pilot was installed in 2013. The surveys were
:04:05. > :04:14.provided to the sponsors and by September of that year we started.
:04:15. > :04:21.That was with a police line -- that was with a police line and 100
:04:22. > :04:32.customers. The family croft is used as a relay point for other
:04:33. > :04:37.customers. There have been a 40% increase in the rentals for his
:04:38. > :04:46.cabins after the internets because increased. It will be slow or the
:04:47. > :04:52.time. It was not making our job easy as far as talking to our clients via
:04:53. > :04:56.the Internet. It is a key elements? Absolutely. It is for us. We have
:04:57. > :05:03.the group coming into night... At this hotel Duncan Gibson, chef and
:05:04. > :05:10.hotel manager, is repairing for lunch. He was involved in the early
:05:11. > :05:19.stages of setting up the network. It is a least line connection 14 miles
:05:20. > :05:24.away. It is bounced from a signal from a fibre-optic labour that is
:05:25. > :05:31.bounced wireless up Ben Nevis and then it is bounced to a high point
:05:32. > :05:36.in the village where it is received and then bounced down into the
:05:37. > :05:40.village. Those who have connection have a little receiver on the side
:05:41. > :05:44.of their house. After we did the initial pilot scheme in the hotel,
:05:45. > :05:51.we invited all the villagers to come round with their laptops and phones
:05:52. > :05:54.to try it and it was a one megabyte connection, which was in this day
:05:55. > :06:02.and age not a lot, but when you were looking at 0.02 previously, there
:06:03. > :06:06.was a lot of joy in the village, and a lot of excitement at the prospect
:06:07. > :06:11.of getting this and getting it faster than we would normally. We
:06:12. > :06:17.are actually still waiting for a proper fibre-optic connection, and
:06:18. > :06:20.this is now three years down the line. So is it time to rethink how
:06:21. > :06:26.we deliver affordable fast broadband to rural areas? I think the
:06:27. > :06:30.politicians should champion for the little guy in third of just
:06:31. > :06:34.listening to the big companies that are doing and have all the
:06:35. > :06:38.facilities and the engineering power and the manpower behind them to
:06:39. > :06:42.provide things which they are promising, but not really providing.
:06:43. > :06:45.Where as we are a small bunch of a people and we are doing the
:06:46. > :06:52.installations and are doing their work basically in the 5% that is not
:06:53. > :06:57.being provided by the larger companies. Reliable fast broadband
:06:58. > :07:07.makes business grow. It persuades people to live and work in
:07:08. > :07:17.Scotland's rural rural areas -- rural areas. If broadband is
:07:18. > :07:19.prioritise, economic growth will follow.
:07:20. > :07:22.Well joining me from around Scotland to discuss this
:07:23. > :07:25.In Stornaway, Rhoda Grant for Labour, in Inverness,
:07:26. > :07:27.Drew Hendry for the SNP, Alex Johnstone from
:07:28. > :07:29.the Conservatives in Aberdeen and here in the studio
:07:30. > :07:31.is Katy Gordon from the Liberal Democrats.
:07:32. > :07:44.Drew Henry, we heard in the film there prioritise fast broadband and
:07:45. > :07:48.mobile reception and economic growth will follow. It sounds simple. What
:07:49. > :07:54.is the problem? It is simple and that is what needs to happen. That
:07:55. > :07:58.is why the Scottish government have invested ?400 million in
:07:59. > :08:09.prioritising broadband for oral areas over the past few years. That
:08:10. > :08:21.is why the first Minister has committed the money for every home
:08:22. > :08:27.to be connected to broadband. When the five G spectrum is released,
:08:28. > :08:37.they must allow rule areas to be at the front of the queue. -- rural
:08:38. > :08:42.areas. Is it something the UK government will prioritise? The UK
:08:43. > :08:46.government along with the Scottish government and local authorities are
:08:47. > :08:50.already pouring millions of pounds into the process of trying to
:08:51. > :08:54.improve broadband speeds in rural areas. What worries me is that there
:08:55. > :09:01.are two things going on here. Firstly there politicians promising
:09:02. > :09:06.things like 100% broadband coverage, which I welcome, but I doubt if the
:09:07. > :09:11.technology is mature enough to achieve that within the timescale
:09:12. > :09:15.they are talking about. Secondly, all these millions of pounds have
:09:16. > :09:24.gone into the hands of contractors, maybe BT, these seem to be not going
:09:25. > :09:30.out to be peripheries of Scotland where broadband will make the
:09:31. > :09:41.biggest difference. Read a grant in Stornoway, we heard there that
:09:42. > :09:51.politicians should be the champion of the smaller guy. How big a
:09:52. > :09:59.problem is this? Broadband is essential, like roads or
:10:00. > :10:09.electricity. If you look at some of the rural areas, crofters have to
:10:10. > :10:13.fill in tax forms online with broadband they don't have. It is
:10:14. > :10:17.difficult for them to get information back to the government.
:10:18. > :10:24.Small businesses are the same. How can they market their products
:10:25. > :10:27.without access to broadband? Smaller communities are lagging behind. The
:10:28. > :10:33.Scottish government promised 95% coverage by the end of next year. We
:10:34. > :10:39.will be lucky if we see 70% coverage in some of the remote rural areas.
:10:40. > :10:45.They are wondering when on earth it is going to come. You need to look
:10:46. > :10:48.at different solutions, not just the fibre roll-out we are seeing. We
:10:49. > :10:56.need to help communities like the one that was in your interview. They
:10:57. > :10:59.are resilient and did it themselves and there are communities who are
:11:00. > :11:03.doing different things to make sure they themselves get broadband, but
:11:04. > :11:08.there are communities that don't have those leaders feared that can
:11:09. > :11:14.take that on and they are going to be left behind. They are the ones
:11:15. > :11:19.arguably who need it and there needs to be a step change in delivery.
:11:20. > :11:24.Stop focusing on getting 4G and five G out to urban areas. We need to
:11:25. > :11:29.make sure there is a decent broadband service in all areas
:11:30. > :11:37.before we use money in the urban areas. The Liberal Democrats
:11:38. > :11:40.manifesto said you were troubled the broadband fund which is currently 9
:11:41. > :11:52.million. Whether that money come from? We have announced the new
:11:53. > :11:56.borrowing powers will be used. It is over and above the 20 million we are
:11:57. > :11:59.allowed to use. We know how important it is. I don't think there
:12:00. > :12:04.is a disagreement among the political parties that it is crucial
:12:05. > :12:14.that the rule areas of Scotland which can contribute much to the
:12:15. > :12:20.economy need help. -- rural areas. Drew Henry, the criticisms from the
:12:21. > :12:25.parties on either side of you is that you are overpromising. You are
:12:26. > :12:29.saying by the end of next year there will be 95% coverage, but as Rhoda
:12:30. > :12:35.Grant says, you will be lucky if it is 70% in some last-macro areas. I
:12:36. > :12:40.do think she has been paying attention to what has been happening
:12:41. > :12:50.in the Highlands and Islands. I have seen what has been happening. I
:12:51. > :12:57.Osgood, walk in my shoes. I represent areas in the Highlands and
:12:58. > :13:02.Islands as well... Will go and talk to the people. People are seeing
:13:03. > :13:05.dramatic improvements. That's because of the increase in funding
:13:06. > :13:13.from the government. You have to remember where this came from. It is
:13:14. > :13:24.coming from a period of neglect from the previous administration. That is
:13:25. > :13:35.a long time ago. The SNP have made the promise... One at a time. ?400
:13:36. > :13:41.million invested so far, on target delivery and 100% of homes and
:13:42. > :13:46.businesses in Scotland by 2021. The Labour manifesto said that you make
:13:47. > :13:51.provision of superfast broadband a national priority, how can you make
:13:52. > :13:57.that happen faster than the SNP? Because we have to look at how we
:13:58. > :14:01.get out to the communities and stop focusing on urban communities, we
:14:02. > :14:04.need to power communities that can do it for themselves but we also
:14:05. > :14:07.need to look at setting up an infrastructure that the government
:14:08. > :14:11.can provide for communities that don't have the ability to do it
:14:12. > :14:15.themselves, to do that for them, and until we actually have a strategy in
:14:16. > :14:20.place that reaches those hard to reach communities there is not a
:14:21. > :14:23.hope of getting 100%. There is a lot of good work being done by
:14:24. > :14:27.communities and that is being supported by community broadband
:14:28. > :14:29.Scotland and millions of pounds have been invested in helping committees
:14:30. > :14:36.deliver the systems where they need them. Alex Johnstone, what speed of
:14:37. > :14:42.broadband to you think your moral constituents should expect? I think
:14:43. > :14:45.what we are cocky about here is high-speed broadband, or superfast
:14:46. > :14:50.broadband as the marketing gurus tell as it should be called. But in
:14:51. > :14:53.order to achieve that I think we have to develop technologies that
:14:54. > :14:56.perhaps are not mature yet, that means that the vast amount of money
:14:57. > :15:01.that has been poured in by government at every level needs to
:15:02. > :15:05.be concentrating on achieving these objectives and we must not make the
:15:06. > :15:09.mistake of allowing the contractors who are dealing with these contracts
:15:10. > :15:14.to simply pursue the wall hanging fruit. This is all about getting the
:15:15. > :15:17.service out to the geographical peripheries and not about dealing
:15:18. > :15:23.with problems that as a broader grand said should be dealt with on a
:15:24. > :15:27.commercial basis. With the Conservatives spent more to try and
:15:28. > :15:32.achieve that? We are certainly willing to put more money in, we
:15:33. > :15:34.would be happy to see another ?5 million per year budgeted to this,
:15:35. > :15:38.but there is already a huge amount of money being put in and at the
:15:39. > :15:43.moment I don't think we are seeing the results for that. Katy Gordon,
:15:44. > :15:48.the recent report by off, showed speed in rural areas have barely
:15:49. > :15:54.increased since 2013. Is it any wonder when we see communities
:15:55. > :15:59.taking matters into their own hands? I don't think it is surprising, when
:16:00. > :16:05.we were in government in Westminster reinvested almost 800 million in
:16:06. > :16:10.going to the 90% and then 95% coverage but it is still not enough.
:16:11. > :16:12.We did also press for the universal service obligation because that
:16:13. > :16:16.would mean that there is a requirement that the service has to
:16:17. > :16:20.be delivered everywhere and we are glad to see the UK Government is now
:16:21. > :16:26.pursuing this. But I also know, I think which in federally, the
:16:27. > :16:30.consumer magazine, talks about the potential for compensation and a
:16:31. > :16:33.statutory requirement for open session for interruptions in supply
:16:34. > :16:36.and we are quite interested in that kind of idea because I think the
:16:37. > :16:40.problem is the company is basically what to do the low hanging fruit as
:16:41. > :16:45.Alex mentioned, and what is the incentive for them to go to those
:16:46. > :16:49.hardest to reach? Have to get the commitment to the hardest to reach
:16:50. > :16:53.and it is a mix of carrot and stick. We can do the investment and maybe
:16:54. > :16:57.the statutory compensation introduction would help with that.
:16:58. > :17:02.Drew Henry, what is the incentive to get to those hard to reach
:17:03. > :17:06.communities? There are still issues in communications that must be
:17:07. > :17:10.reached by superfast broadband, one of the things I have just mentioned
:17:11. > :17:15.is about the ability to switch contracts or cancel contracts with
:17:16. > :17:19.suppliers if they do not deliver. That is something that is being
:17:20. > :17:22.brought forward. We have also managed, I have managed to persuade
:17:23. > :17:27.off come to support my proposal to allow people to do that with mobile:
:17:28. > :17:30.-- mobile phone contracts as well and that is being taken forward. The
:17:31. > :17:34.incentive there at the moment is for people to be able to, for those
:17:35. > :17:37.companies to be able to hold on their customers, but in the future
:17:38. > :17:44.there must be irregular precondition for people getting licences for
:17:45. > :17:48.these contracts -- there must be a regular Tory condition for people
:17:49. > :17:52.getting these licences for these contracts that people in hard to
:17:53. > :17:54.reach areas must get the best service first and then work in. Now
:17:55. > :17:59.we must leave it. Thank you all. If you want the odd electoral myth
:18:00. > :18:02.busted, our special correspondent During this campaign he's already
:18:03. > :18:06.questioned if turnout really will be key to the result,
:18:07. > :18:09.and whether all politics is local. But what about that other line
:18:10. > :18:13.the politicians trot out when faced with a difficult opinion poll,
:18:14. > :18:15.that the only poll that We should warn you that this film
:18:16. > :18:22.contains closeups of Ken which those of a sensitive nature
:18:23. > :18:30.may find disturbing. -- here is Ken with his crystal
:18:31. > :18:42.ball. Nye Bevan didn't like a lot of
:18:43. > :18:56.things but he really disliked opinion polls. He said they took the
:18:57. > :19:05.we all know, every new ball can predict the future -- opinion polls
:19:06. > :19:09.can predict the future. Actually that is wrong, they cannot predict
:19:10. > :19:12.the future at all, what they can do at best is give you an accurate
:19:13. > :19:16.snapshot of public opinion at any given time and as any politician
:19:17. > :19:22.will tell you, they do not pay any attention to the opinion polls. Yeah
:19:23. > :19:25.right! All opinion polls count, pupils, accurate polls, rogue polls,
:19:26. > :19:31.the polls matter because they help to create the story of the election
:19:32. > :19:35.campaign. And that story can of itself help determine the outcome,
:19:36. > :19:38.so politicians a huge and attention to the polls and do not believe any
:19:39. > :19:46.politician who says they don't. Because the do. -- because they do.
:19:47. > :19:50.There was one recent campaign where an opinion poll prediction influence
:19:51. > :19:55.is not how voters behaved, it certainly has the politicians
:19:56. > :19:59.behaved towards the voters. There is no doubt that the way in which the
:20:00. > :20:05.Scottish independence campaign was fought by the no side in the last
:20:06. > :20:08.fortnight or so was very heavily influenced by opinion polls that
:20:09. > :20:11.suggested the race was really narrowing and certainly one opinion
:20:12. > :20:15.poll that says that actually the yes side was ahead. It was in the
:20:16. > :20:19.immediately that opinion poll that George Osborne and Gordon Brown
:20:20. > :20:25.signalled that the Unionists would indeed come together, come up with
:20:26. > :20:30.proposals for more devolution. Seems the opinion polls do not just matter
:20:31. > :20:35.in a referendum. If people suggest you're down and out it is very hard
:20:36. > :20:38.to persuade the public you can win, there is a famous ball that came out
:20:39. > :20:42.a few weeks before the first Scottish parliament election in 1999
:20:43. > :20:48.that suggested a decline in SNP support. We got major front-page
:20:49. > :20:54.treatment. The SNP reacted to that poll by changing its entire campaign
:20:55. > :20:58.strategy, so polls do matter. Only poll that decide to run Scotland is
:20:59. > :21:02.the one in which you hold the cards, the one in which you cast ballots
:21:03. > :21:05.and let's face it if opinion polls were that accurate we would not have
:21:06. > :21:16.to hold elections. Where would be the fun in that?
:21:17. > :21:21.Here now to discuss that and the day's other news are two
:21:22. > :21:23.seasoned political journalists, Lynsey Bews
:21:24. > :21:24.from the Press Association and from the Sunday
:21:25. > :21:38.Welcome. Lindsay, was Nye Bevan right? Do you think opinion polls
:21:39. > :21:42.take the poetry out of politics? I don't know I think they gave us
:21:43. > :21:45.something to talk about during an election campaign and I have to
:21:46. > :21:49.agree with what Kevin crennels pointing out in your piece, that
:21:50. > :21:53.they do tend to influence the parties and shape the party 's
:21:54. > :21:56.campaign to certain extent. We were looking at the examples of the
:21:57. > :22:01.independence referendum, the reaction to that poll which could
:22:02. > :22:04.yet ahead after the game so much mental strength that campaign. And
:22:05. > :22:08.actually if you look back on the 2011 Scottish elections Labour on
:22:09. > :22:15.the slide in the polls to the point where ten days from the last vote
:22:16. > :22:19.last time around they be launched their campaign had changed their
:22:20. > :22:21.strategy entirely, which had been fighting the Tories at Westminster,
:22:22. > :22:26.they turned their attention to fighting the SNP on the issue of
:22:27. > :22:30.independence. I think the opinion polls certainly have a lot of
:22:31. > :22:34.influence over what the party still is chillingly campaign. What about
:22:35. > :22:39.this campaign, Tom? How have the polls shoot this campaign? On one
:22:40. > :22:43.level they have made it an exciting for the main headline result, the
:22:44. > :22:47.SNP seem to be comfortable ahead, but they have provided drama and
:22:48. > :22:52.tension around the race for second place with the Labour and the
:22:53. > :22:55.Conservatives neck and neck. They do modify behaviour as Lundy says
:22:56. > :23:01.because they are great incentivises for campaigns, for Labour they are
:23:02. > :23:03.desperately trying to remain the opposition, for the Conservatives
:23:04. > :23:07.they are desperately trying to become the opposition. And what
:23:08. > :23:11.Kevin Pringle said, the useful for parties of the marginal so that the
:23:12. > :23:14.Greens have had a decent strike in the polls, people know that if they
:23:15. > :23:19.vote for then there is a realistic chance they will be elected to the
:23:20. > :23:23.Greens, it reinforces the issue that the Greens in a credible party to
:23:24. > :23:28.vote for. On the other hand, you can park polling very cruelly and they
:23:29. > :23:32.are falling apart. With the Conservatives and some polls pushing
:23:33. > :23:35.Labour into third place, that raises expectations, doesn't look then like
:23:36. > :23:40.a failure on election night if they don't achieve that? It is
:23:41. > :23:44.interesting because Ruth Davidson has put herself in that position
:23:45. > :23:47.this time around, she has taken a look at the patterns that the polls
:23:48. > :23:51.are producing and has decided to head the election strategy on this
:23:52. > :23:55.battle for second place in becoming what she calls the official
:23:56. > :24:00.opposition to hold the SNP to account should he win this majority.
:24:01. > :24:04.Now if Ruth Davidson feels to do that that does raise questions about
:24:05. > :24:07.whether or not she can continue as leader of the Scottish Conservatives
:24:08. > :24:11.because she has not been able to achieve the objectives that she set
:24:12. > :24:17.out in this campaign. With the polls and suggesting that it is a foregone
:24:18. > :24:21.conclusion, that it is just second place to play for, do you think that
:24:22. > :24:26.is going to have an effect on time-out if people think there is no
:24:27. > :24:30.point? There is some indication that turnout might be returning to its
:24:31. > :24:34.depressing 50% level it has been to over the last couple of elections. I
:24:35. > :24:39.hope not. Scotland had a post-referendum bounce and we were
:24:40. > :24:42.5% higher than the rest of the UK in the general election for incidents
:24:43. > :24:46.because more people are engaged and made the effort to vote but I hope
:24:47. > :24:50.there is not a slide. I hope some -- I think some of the SNP people are
:24:51. > :24:55.worried that people could get complacent. Now on to that picture
:24:56. > :25:01.of the First Minister holding the Sun newspaper after they endorsed
:25:02. > :25:04.the SNP on Friday. It has been doing the rounds on social media with
:25:05. > :25:07.critics saying it was in bad taste to pose with the paper on the week
:25:08. > :25:13.the Hillsborough inquest ruled 96 Liverpool fans were unlawfully
:25:14. > :25:18.killed. Nicola Sturgeon rarely seems to put a foot wrong, do you think
:25:19. > :25:22.this was ill judged? I think some people have been offended by the
:25:23. > :25:25.fact that he has held this front page up, others have said that
:25:26. > :25:29.parties have been courting the sun over the years for various reasons
:25:30. > :25:34.of trying to gain support from them during elections, referendums and
:25:35. > :25:38.whatever else. The timing of it, you know, it is questionable, however
:25:39. > :25:43.Nicola Sturgeon has not commented on this particular picture. She has
:25:44. > :25:48.commented however on her sympathy for the health care families when
:25:49. > :25:52.the inquest results came out, so it is one that people will judge in
:25:53. > :25:56.different ways I think. On social media there were even some SNP
:25:57. > :26:00.supporters claiming the photo has been for two shopped and that she
:26:01. > :26:04.had actually been holding up the Dandy comic. I did check with the
:26:05. > :26:09.SNP that this is not true. Interesting that the consternation
:26:10. > :26:16.it seems that cost on social media. Will it do any damage? I don't think
:26:17. > :26:19.so. If she was standing in Liverpool, perhaps, but this is a
:26:20. > :26:22.completely different circumstances north of the border. The villains
:26:23. > :26:26.were always in South Yorkshire Police. The sun aggravated things
:26:27. > :26:31.with it insensitive inaccurate coverage but it was a long time ago
:26:32. > :26:36.and it is not happening in Scotland. Any other party would give their eye
:26:37. > :26:39.teeth to have an endorsement from the Scottish Sun and don't let them
:26:40. > :26:46.tell you otherwise. We saw Katie Dugdale and she said that the First
:26:47. > :26:52.Minister may regret posing with the Sun newspaper. -- we saw Kezia
:26:53. > :26:54.Dugdale. I think it is a bit of political opportunism, as Tom said
:26:55. > :26:57.any other party to get that endorsement from one of the biggest
:26:58. > :27:01.selling newspapers in the country would love to get that endorsement,
:27:02. > :27:06.and we have seen in the past other political parties courting the sun
:27:07. > :27:10.before so I think there is a little bit of politics going on there.
:27:11. > :27:15.Because Sturgeon said nothing about it, she probably wants to move on
:27:16. > :27:19.from now. We have seen Labour continue to be hit by allegations of
:27:20. > :27:22.anti-Semitism over the weekend, do you think that is going to have an
:27:23. > :27:27.impact on their electoral fortunes in any of the elections across the
:27:28. > :27:32.UK? I don't think it will have a specific resonance because I don't
:27:33. > :27:38.think it will generally -- out of their people generally look at the
:27:39. > :27:40.Labour Party and think here is a constitutional way anti-Semitic
:27:41. > :27:46.party. People might look at Ukip and think a bit of, I think a lot of
:27:47. > :27:49.those full-colour closet racists but it would look a favour and think I
:27:50. > :27:54.bet a lot of those folk are anti-Semites. It does expose a
:27:55. > :28:01.somewhat divided, chaotic party with somewhat shambolic drama between
:28:02. > :28:07.John Mann and can live in, shouting at one another. That is a dreadful
:28:08. > :28:11.picture before the elections would reinforces the fact that they had a
:28:12. > :28:15.party in crisis and a broad ranging crisis. The conservatives are
:28:16. > :28:19.divided over academies and Europe, but Labour is a party divided over
:28:20. > :28:23.its leader, which is a very deep split indeed so it reminds people of
:28:24. > :28:26.that. It is one of the main issues that put people off labour but I
:28:27. > :28:31.don't think in and of itself it will put people off because people feel
:28:32. > :28:36.Labour is anti-Semitic. Is this a big issue for Labour do you think? I
:28:37. > :28:39.agree with Tom, I don't think it will impact on them to greatly
:28:40. > :28:43.because I don't think it will look at the Labour Party and say that
:28:44. > :28:47.this is an anti-Semitic party and that this is so deep-rooted in the
:28:48. > :28:50.party that it batted out and reaches into all areas of the party. Jeremy
:28:51. > :28:52.Corbyn has other problems as well. I'm back again tomorrow
:28:53. > :28:57.night, usual time.