:00:00. > :00:00.As the Chancellor warns of big job losses if we leave the EU,
:00:00. > :00:25.the First Minister says, don't exaggerate.
:00:26. > :00:38.We debate whether workers would be better off if we stay or if we go.
:00:39. > :00:55.It's my decision that Mr Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, convicted in 2001 of the
:00:56. > :00:59.Lockerbie bombing, now terminally ill with prostate cancer, be
:01:00. > :01:01.released on compassionate grounds and allowed to return to Libya to
:01:02. > :01:03.die. bomber early believes his conviction
:01:04. > :01:07.may well have been Stewart Hosie stands down as SNP
:01:08. > :01:13.Deputy Leader after revelations They're supposed to be on the same
:01:14. > :01:26.side, supporting the case But the First Minister Nicola
:01:27. > :01:31.Sturgeon has made clear she doesn't buy the Chancellor's grim warning
:01:32. > :01:35.that a vote to leave would lead to a recession
:01:36. > :01:40.and to widespread job losses. Boris Johnson has dismissed
:01:41. > :01:43.the remain side as rattled. With a month till the referendum,
:01:44. > :01:46.would it be better for workers if the UK stayed in or moved out
:01:47. > :01:50.of the European Union? Our reporter Iain Hamilton has been
:01:51. > :02:10.finding how much influence the EU The good old days. Full employment,
:02:11. > :02:15.when Britain made stuff that we exported around the globe. When men
:02:16. > :02:19.were working men and women were housewives who stayed at home after
:02:20. > :02:23.they got married and had children. I suspect that very few would agree
:02:24. > :02:28.that these were the good old days. It was a struggle to get paid
:02:29. > :02:33.holidays, there were once -- safe working conditions and a reasonable
:02:34. > :02:37.working week. And up until the 1970s, a woman could be sacked for
:02:38. > :02:44.getting pregnant. What we know as working life has been established in
:02:45. > :02:49.my lifetime. 28 days of paid leave, you don't have to work more than 48
:02:50. > :02:57.hours a week and gender equality and anti-dimmers discrimination laws
:02:58. > :03:00.have been underpinned by the EU. Some say that these rights should
:03:01. > :03:05.not be taken lightly and there are concerns that they could be eroded
:03:06. > :03:14.if we leave the EU. The concern about leaving the EU and ending up
:03:15. > :03:17.Westminster government and a Tory government for example in power,
:03:18. > :03:23.those employment rights and those laws and start to become dilutive
:03:24. > :03:29.and attacked. This woman is a lawyer. She represents employers and
:03:30. > :03:34.employees in disputes. She says that UK workers have nothing to fear. I
:03:35. > :03:37.think there will be changes around the edges, in respect of
:03:38. > :03:45.discrimination law to bring it in line with domestic legislation love
:03:46. > :03:51.about -- about compensation. And there will be changes for business
:03:52. > :03:56.transfers to harmonise changes of employment. But wholesale changes
:03:57. > :04:06.are unlikely. The business community shares the view that they -- we will
:04:07. > :04:11.not see wholesale changes. In a lot of that law is already in UK
:04:12. > :04:15.domestic law or enshrined in people's contracts of employment.
:04:16. > :04:20.The question is really where should those laws best be made? And that is
:04:21. > :04:24.the question we have to make a judgment on. But this lawyer does
:04:25. > :04:31.not agree. The Tory government have been hiding behind a mask of red
:04:32. > :04:39.tape but they were muzzled by the European Union. The law has gone as
:04:40. > :04:45.far as it can. If we Brexit on a Thursday, a law will be brought in
:04:46. > :04:53.on a Friday to finish that business. Those I spoke to me be focusing on
:04:54. > :04:57.employment protection but are the public as interested? Or is it the
:04:58. > :04:59.case that we now take our working rights for granted?
:05:00. > :05:02.Here now to discuss that is Dave Moxham,
:05:03. > :05:04.Deputy General Secretary of the STUC, who favour
:05:05. > :05:07.And in our Edinburgh studio, the former SNP deputy leader
:05:08. > :05:11.Jim Sillars, who is part of the ScotLeave EU campaign.
:05:12. > :05:27.Jim Sillars, the Chancellor warned today Brexit could result in a 4%
:05:28. > :05:31.fall in average incomes, 40,000 jobs lost in Scotland alone. None of that
:05:32. > :05:41.sounds very good for people worried about their jobs. I would like to
:05:42. > :05:47.take you back to the 12th of March 2008. We were just about to go over
:05:48. > :05:54.the abyss into the worst recession since the 1930s. That is when you
:05:55. > :06:01.can judge the treasure. Alistair Darling's budget speech forecast to
:06:02. > :06:06.3/4% and 3% growth and he claimed that the banks in the financial
:06:07. > :06:11.system had never been more stable. How did you prove that? He said, I
:06:12. > :06:23.am backed by the Bank of England, the Eyemouth, and the OECD. -- the
:06:24. > :06:28.Eyemouth. Each one of them failed to gather what was going to happen in a
:06:29. > :06:33.catastrophic fashion which other -- that which other economist knew was
:06:34. > :06:39.going to happen. So far from the institutions to which we should bow
:06:40. > :06:43.down and accept, they are in fact the economic stages. And outside the
:06:44. > :06:49.Bank of England, if they were honest, they would put up a banner
:06:50. > :06:53.and say, we haven't a clue. But aren't you concerned about the fear
:06:54. > :06:57.factor, just like the independence referendum, that it will have an
:06:58. > :07:03.effect on people who think it is safer just to stay with as they are?
:07:04. > :07:12.The whole idea of project fear is to terrify people and -- into remaining
:07:13. > :07:19.and the whole idea of the referendum campaign was to persuade Scots to
:07:20. > :07:22.remain inside the United Kingdom. It may have an effect. But I do know
:07:23. > :07:33.that it can only make people afraid if they are feared. There are brave
:07:34. > :07:37.people who have the possibility to intellectually analyse absurd
:07:38. > :07:42.arguments. For example, one argument produced earlier this week was that
:07:43. > :07:48.we would all be ?4300 worse off in 2030. That is 14 years ahead. George
:07:49. > :07:56.Osborne can't even forecast his budget deficit 12 months ahead. So
:07:57. > :08:01.people who are sensible and analyse this will not be afraid. Let me
:08:02. > :08:07.bring in Dave Moxham. Are you worried that that sort of argument
:08:08. > :08:11.might actually alienate voters? That in fact, workers have got very
:08:12. > :08:17.little to fear because a lot of these workers' rights are enshrined
:08:18. > :08:21.in law? I think it is sensible to be critical of statistics wherever they
:08:22. > :08:25.come from. But I think it is fair to say that the weight of opinion is
:08:26. > :08:31.that it is far more likely that the UK would face a shock rather than
:08:32. > :08:36.anything to the opposite, were we to Brexit. From our members point of
:08:37. > :08:41.view, we are looking at a potential situation where a shock, followed by
:08:42. > :08:47.an incumbent Conservative government, which may have some of
:08:48. > :08:50.those laws enshrined, but many of which are gold-plated and supported
:08:51. > :08:58.by European law, would seek not just to dig themselves out of a
:08:59. > :09:04.recession, but as a strategy attack workers rights across the board. And
:09:05. > :09:10.we heard in the film that if we left the EU, the Conservative government
:09:11. > :09:15.might try to roll back many of workers' rights that have been built
:09:16. > :09:20.up. Those rights are not from the EU, they are in British law. Any
:09:21. > :09:28.government at Westminster might find it extremely difficult. For example
:09:29. > :09:32.on paternity and maternity leave, to overturn those particular parts of
:09:33. > :09:38.British law and protective law, given the strength of the feminist
:09:39. > :09:43.movement and the power of middle England, particularly among the
:09:44. > :09:48.young middle-class. But let me tell you this. One of the things that are
:09:49. > :09:55.never spoken to by Dave and anybody else is that the EU can destroy any
:09:56. > :10:00.workers' rights at any time. The one place they never mention is Greece.
:10:01. > :10:09.All workers' rights in Greece have been destroyed by the Union itself.
:10:10. > :10:15.Well, Dave Moxham... In Westminster, you can't guarantee the EU either.
:10:16. > :10:19.To check that point, over the last five years, we have seen the
:10:20. > :10:23.Conservative government removes some key protections. They removed
:10:24. > :10:28.section 29 of the health and safety at work act which has existed since
:10:29. > :10:32.1973. They have done their best to attack trade union and collective
:10:33. > :10:39.organisation through the trade union act. So I don't share Jim's faith
:10:40. > :10:44.that they would not try and I would rather we would not have that fight
:10:45. > :10:49.is not necessary. The second point about Greece, Greece is in a dire
:10:50. > :10:55.situation. That dire situation is undoubtedly caused to some extent by
:10:56. > :11:05.the troika and by a Europe which desperately needs to be democratised
:11:06. > :11:08.from within. But when somebody like the finance minister who have stared
:11:09. > :11:16.into the eyes of the devil, I'm prepared to listen to him. Jim
:11:17. > :11:20.Sillars, briefly on that point? Greece has been destroyed by the
:11:21. > :11:25.European Union. Every worker 's right has been destroyed by the
:11:26. > :11:30.European Union and I think the lesson from the trade union movement
:11:31. > :11:39.here which is being repeated in Norway, which is in the EEA, is that
:11:40. > :11:44.the quicker we are out of it the better. That anti-trade union Bill
:11:45. > :11:48.which was mentioned by the way, will in fact remain if we stay in because
:11:49. > :11:57.the European Union can do nothing about it. Is that the case? Know,
:11:58. > :12:02.and that is very interesting take on the development of trade union
:12:03. > :12:07.rights in Europe. It is a long way from perfect in Europe and it needs
:12:08. > :12:13.to be Democrat ties, but the idea that over the last three decades
:12:14. > :12:16.that we have in fighting the European Union rather than RM
:12:17. > :12:18.right-wing governments, is a fantasy. Thank you both for coming
:12:19. > :12:21.in this evening. He was Justice Secretary for seven
:12:22. > :12:23.years and oversaw the creation But Kenny MacAskill will be
:12:24. > :12:27.remembered around the world as the man who released
:12:28. > :12:29.the Lockerbie bomber from prison In a new book out later this week,
:12:30. > :12:49.Mr MacAskill sets Pan-American Airways says it has
:12:50. > :12:54.lost contact with its flight 103... Lockerbie, 21st of December 19 88.
:12:55. > :13:00.270 people died in the worst terrorist atrocity to hit Britain. A
:13:01. > :13:05.bomb was placed on Pan Am Flight 103 to New York. The case would provoke
:13:06. > :13:08.serious tension between the UK and Scottish governments and for the
:13:09. > :13:13.Justice Secretary in charge at the time, it would prove career
:13:14. > :13:18.defining. Kenny MacAskill held the post until 2007 and it was his
:13:19. > :13:26.decision to convert the only man convicted of the atrocity. It is my
:13:27. > :13:34.decision that Mr Abdullah asset Al-Megrahi be released on
:13:35. > :13:42.compassionate -- Apple is it Al-Megrahi should be released on
:13:43. > :13:45.compassionate grounds to die. He was released in 2009. The former Libyan
:13:46. > :13:50.intelligence officer had terminal cancer and was expected to live for
:13:51. > :13:57.three months. He died three years later and always insisted he was
:13:58. > :14:01.innocent. It was a move strongly criticised by some, including the US
:14:02. > :14:05.who lost 189 citizens in the bombing. But not everyone saw it
:14:06. > :14:13.that way with some of the families campaigning for me groggy -- at
:14:14. > :14:18.Al-Megrahi's conviction to be overturned. They believed he was not
:14:19. > :14:26.responsible. Kenny MacAskill stepped down last month in order to pursue a
:14:27. > :14:31.third career. In writing, perhaps with The Lockerbie Bombing to be
:14:32. > :14:35.released later this week. He maintains he had a limited role in
:14:36. > :14:41.the bombing. The search for the truth about Bob -- Lockerbie
:14:42. > :14:44.continues, can the man who freed Al-Megrahi give us any answers?
:14:45. > :14:48.Just before we came on air I spoke to Kenny MacAskill.
:14:49. > :14:53.The decision to release first arc was your decision and your decision
:14:54. > :14:58.alone, you make that clear in this book. We need met him in the
:14:59. > :15:04.present, he saying the book he didn't express any remorse, so why
:15:05. > :15:08.were you compassionate towards? I think there are several reasons.
:15:09. > :15:17.First of all, compassionate release is driven not by the gravity of the
:15:18. > :15:20.offence or the odious this of the individual, it's whether they meet
:15:21. > :15:25.the criteria set down in stature than guidance, whether they would be
:15:26. > :15:30.a danger in a thread. He met the criteria, he was released by me. To
:15:31. > :15:38.be fair, knowing none of my predecessors have ever refused, a
:15:39. > :15:41.respected of the severity of the crime perpetrated, and none of them
:15:42. > :15:45.rejected since. White but they don't get any more serious than this. They
:15:46. > :15:51.don't, but people equally may have sought The Sunday Times on Sunday, I
:15:52. > :15:59.met Al-Megrahi and I have to say he seemed to be a rather aged man, I've
:16:00. > :16:02.met some serious killers in my time who was deeply dangerous, I don't
:16:03. > :16:07.think he was a pleasant man, he clearly had a role in this. But
:16:08. > :16:12.let's remember, this was state-sponsored terrorism. At the
:16:13. > :16:16.time I was being criticised for visiting Al-Megrahi, president Obama
:16:17. > :16:21.was present to back shaking the hand of Gaddafi. Hillary Clinton
:16:22. > :16:25.entertains Gaddafi's family. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown embraced him
:16:26. > :16:28.in the desert. If we're going to criticise people for meeting with
:16:29. > :16:35.Libyans, let's do with the Libyans who were ultimately responsible.
:16:36. > :16:40.Al-Megrahi took his orders, Gaddafi gave them. You're presenting your
:16:41. > :16:44.side of the story here. The UK and Libyan governments wanted a prisoner
:16:45. > :16:47.transfer. You were against that. But then you released him anyway, you
:16:48. > :16:53.must've known the grief, the anger that was going to cause particular
:16:54. > :16:59.among the relatives. When the agreement was entered into, in 2007,
:17:00. > :17:02.at that time Al-Megrahi had not become ill with prostate cancer, so
:17:03. > :17:07.it was all unknown. It was in the early stages of this verse Scottish
:17:08. > :17:12.National Party administration, we signed up to a PTA with Libya. It
:17:13. > :17:14.was only one Libyan prisoner in Scotland, it was quite clear what
:17:15. > :17:18.they were seeking to achieve. That became quite clear to me because
:17:19. > :17:23.Jack straw told me it was all to do with British interests with BP. I
:17:24. > :17:26.actually refused the prisoner transfer application and I did so
:17:27. > :17:32.because I listen to evidence not simply from victims who were opposed
:17:33. > :17:38.to a chance for, but the Attorney General of the United States because
:17:39. > :17:40.it became quite clear when this had been established, the United Kingdom
:17:41. > :17:45.Government, despite they wouldn't confirm that to me, had given
:17:46. > :17:48.assurances to the United States, United Nations and to Libya as well
:17:49. > :17:51.to the relatives that he would serve his sentence here. So are refused a
:17:52. > :17:55.prisoner transfer agreement, but he met the criteria or compassionate
:17:56. > :18:01.release and on that basis I authorised his release. In the end,
:18:02. > :18:05.as you describe it, it was a pretty grubby affair, but the Libyan and UK
:18:06. > :18:09.governments got what they wanted, but your own account, it seems you
:18:10. > :18:15.the fall guy. Why did you fall for it? I think the fall guys here were
:18:16. > :18:19.first of all Lockerbie that was devastated and had no idea what was
:18:20. > :18:22.about to descend upon it. It was a Scottish Government to myself is the
:18:23. > :18:25.Justice Secretary, I was on her double that position, it's been a
:18:26. > :18:31.privilege to have served. We got nothing out of this, Lockerbie got
:18:32. > :18:34.grief and hardship. The United Nations, United States, United
:18:35. > :18:38.Kingdom, Libya, were all involved in brokering, because this was a
:18:39. > :18:42.tragedy that the fellow Lockerbie, but Scotland was used as a patsy,
:18:43. > :18:45.especially by the United Kingdom Government, and what we suffered in
:18:46. > :18:51.terms of an act of terrorism was actually overshadowed by diplomatic
:18:52. > :18:56.injury, commercial deals, not just BP, but the United States companies
:18:57. > :19:00.were involved there, and also by security involvement. Britain and
:19:01. > :19:05.the USA were seeking at that stage to shore up Colonel Qaddafi as a
:19:06. > :19:07.bulwark against Islamic terrorism, the Police Service of Northern
:19:08. > :19:11.Ireland just weeks after I have been criticised for releasing Megrahi
:19:12. > :19:16.were over on the instructions of the UK Government trading Gaddafi's
:19:17. > :19:19.elite forces because they are experts in counter insurgency and at
:19:20. > :19:24.the same time if we go back and you will read in the book, in 2004, Tony
:19:25. > :19:28.Blair signed a deal when he embraced Gaddafi. The following day, a major
:19:29. > :19:35.commercial transaction was signed between a huge company in Europe and
:19:36. > :19:40.Libya. The day after that, the MI6 rendered a prisoner to the CIA who
:19:41. > :19:44.returned him to Libya. He was a Libyan dissident, he was returned to
:19:45. > :19:48.the clutches of Colonel Qaddafi. So we suffered in Scotland, Lockerbie
:19:49. > :19:55.in particular, but Scotland was used by the US in the UK for diplomatic
:19:56. > :19:58.injury. Well, Megrahi dropped his appeal in the end, decision you say
:19:59. > :20:03.in the book was his and no one else's. Do you think we can really
:20:04. > :20:07.believe he didn't feel any pressure to actually drop his appeal if he
:20:08. > :20:11.wanted to get home and die with his family? I don't know, that would be
:20:12. > :20:14.a matter for him and the Libyan authorities. With greater member and
:20:15. > :20:18.you listing in the book, he was actually offered up by the Libyans,
:20:19. > :20:20.it was quite clear that there was a change of lawyers because at one
:20:21. > :20:23.stage the advice given by the Scottish lawyers was to knock him
:20:24. > :20:27.back to Scotland and certainly not to not to go to the camp, but they
:20:28. > :20:33.change their Libyan lawyers and all of a sudden it became quite clear
:20:34. > :20:35.that Megrahi knew that you was being sacrificed because a deal had been
:20:36. > :20:40.done, and brokered by the United Nations, including Nelson Mandela,
:20:41. > :20:44.the Arab states, the US and UK, that would see those two and nobody
:20:45. > :20:49.further. There was good to be at that stage, unlike what we saw
:20:50. > :20:51.recently involving campaigns and Libya, no regime change, there seem
:20:52. > :20:58.to have been guarantees given that Gaddafi would not be touched. I have
:20:59. > :21:04.no doubt, in the past, perhaps at that time, there were pressures put
:21:05. > :21:08.by Libya, but equally Libya was exerting pressure in response.
:21:09. > :21:11.Overtures being made by the UK and the USA. Do you think it would have
:21:12. > :21:15.served the interests of justice better if the appeal had actually
:21:16. > :21:19.gone ahead? I don't really know. I think at the end of the day, you
:21:20. > :21:22.come to an end where you're just flogging a dead horse. Was his
:21:23. > :21:29.conviction secure? You raise doubts about in the book. I think the
:21:30. > :21:33.police and prosecutors acted honorably as to the courts at the
:21:34. > :21:37.end of the day. I was a lawyer for 20 years, I've never heard of a
:21:38. > :21:42.witness in Scotland getting more than minuscule expenses. One man was
:21:43. > :21:48.given millions of pounds. That wasn't known... This was the main
:21:49. > :21:50.witness? This wasn't known. That must cast a doubt about his
:21:51. > :21:59.evidence. I think that's been and gone. It was pretty significant. The
:22:00. > :22:03.bombs suitcase that linked Megrahi to the bombing, you're not convinced
:22:04. > :22:07.that he did buy them now? The identification wasn't correct,
:22:08. > :22:12.surely that alone... Would've meant his appeal would've been upheld. I
:22:13. > :22:15.think there is reason to believe the appeal might've been hell does what
:22:16. > :22:17.called unsafe, it doesn't necessarily mean he should be
:22:18. > :22:21.exonerated entirely, but his conviction as such, that lead the
:22:22. > :22:25.view that perhaps there was more to it. I do think that there was a lot
:22:26. > :22:28.to come out here and it comes out in the book, but it can't be brought
:22:29. > :22:32.out by the Scottish courts, because they don't have the power to compel
:22:33. > :22:36.the Pentagon, they don't have the power and we're already hearing the
:22:37. > :22:39.criticism from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for things I
:22:40. > :22:42.have released in the book, I think risk went to be an inquiry it should
:22:43. > :22:46.be by the Scottish core and it shouldn't just be about Lockerbie,
:22:47. > :22:49.that was a tragedy, a dreadful terrorist incident that took all
:22:50. > :22:55.those lives. But actually you got to TrackBack because before Lockerbie,
:22:56. > :22:58.the USA brought down an Iranian airliner, you have to look
:22:59. > :23:01.afterwards. What was going on in these commercial deals? What was
:23:02. > :23:06.going on in the security world? Appears to be a pursuit and many
:23:07. > :23:09.want to pursuit of justice, and has to be an international inquiry, not
:23:10. > :23:13.a Scottish court. We must leave it there.
:23:14. > :23:16.Joining me now to discuss that and some of the day's other news
:23:17. > :23:19.is the Scottish Political Editor of the Times, Lindsay McIntosh,
:23:20. > :23:21.and the Political Editor of the Herald, Magnus Gardham.
:23:22. > :23:29.Welcome to both of you. So today the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says
:23:30. > :23:31.Stewart Hosie is doing the right thing in standing down as Deputy
:23:32. > :23:32.Leader of the SNP. But she said there was no reason
:23:33. > :23:35.for him to leave his post as Deputy Leader of the SNP's
:23:36. > :23:45.Westminster group, after revelations I don't think it has damaged the
:23:46. > :23:48.SNP. These are really difficult issues and first and foremost they
:23:49. > :23:52.are painful issues for the people concerned. Clearly they are also
:23:53. > :23:55.difficult for friends and colleagues of the couple concern, but
:23:56. > :23:59.fundamentally they are private issues and people can separate the
:24:00. > :24:02.difficulties and issues that people have in their private lives from the
:24:03. > :24:10.job that they do and I think that is the case for most people. So, did he
:24:11. > :24:13.jump or was he pushed? I guess we will never know. I think it's
:24:14. > :24:20.interesting, very clear from last week that Nicola Sturgeon was very
:24:21. > :24:25.clearly supportive of her friend Stewart Hosie's wife, she was not
:24:26. > :24:32.very supportive of Stewart Hosie himself. The usual platitudes came
:24:33. > :24:34.out in the letters, those that were exchanged, but she was clear that
:24:35. > :24:39.she supported his decision to resign. White Maki didn't sound
:24:40. > :24:43.mature was trying to persuade them to stay. No, indeed. Whether he was
:24:44. > :24:51.pushed, jumped, I think you'll ever know. You can draw your own
:24:52. > :24:56.conclusions from that. I don't think there is any chance that she try to
:24:57. > :25:00.talk him out of it. I think it is a decision that serves both parties.
:25:01. > :25:06.Stewart Hosie, according to friends, is in a difficult place emotionally
:25:07. > :25:10.as you would expect given everything that has happened. So taking a step
:25:11. > :25:13.back probably makes sense. I don't think it matters, I think this is a
:25:14. > :25:18.decision that everybody will be happy with. The party must be hoping
:25:19. > :25:23.now to draw a line under this. Side that's a phrase I was going to use.
:25:24. > :25:27.I think the events over the weekend, the exchange of letters, Nicola
:25:28. > :25:32.Sturgeon making these appearances today. I think it's a move to draw a
:25:33. > :25:37.line under it, move on, say, nothing to see here now, we're going to get
:25:38. > :25:42.a Deputy Leader of the party in place, come autumn, it will be back
:25:43. > :25:46.to business as usual. Any names in the ring yet? Side it's interesting,
:25:47. > :25:51.we've just heard that the Scottish Cabinet announced last week, that's
:25:52. > :25:55.Nicola Sturgeon's moved to get rid of the last of the old guard from
:25:56. > :25:58.the Alex Salmond error and bring in her own team. It would be
:25:59. > :26:04.interesting to see if she picks one of them. Obviously it goes to
:26:05. > :26:09.whoever Nicola wants, they will get a big boost from that.
:26:10. > :26:12.We saw Nicola Sturgeon Jenna Monday, she was talking to the Westminster
:26:13. > :26:16.group, but preventing the positive case for the DQ.
:26:17. > :26:20.Patty think that when? I thought it was very interesting. I was
:26:21. > :26:26.surprised just how strongly Nicola Sturgeon attacked the Treasury
:26:27. > :26:34.assessment. It wasn't just Nicola Sturgeon, George Caravan, one of the
:26:35. > :26:37.senior MPs on economics, at Westminster, went even further. He
:26:38. > :26:42.basically took apart the Treasury case bit by bit. It's easy to
:26:43. > :26:49.understand why the SNP wants to keep the Treasury at arm's length when
:26:50. > :26:53.they are on the same site, but there is a danger here for the remain
:26:54. > :26:57.campaign. It's very easy to imagine the leave site hearing these
:26:58. > :27:04.criticisms and saying to itself, but, hang on, even if the people in
:27:05. > :27:07.the Remain campaign don't believe over the Treasury is saying, why
:27:08. > :27:11.should the rest of us? I do think there is a danger that the SNP is
:27:12. > :27:17.giving ammunition to the Leave campaign. When Max what did you
:27:18. > :27:21.think of as a strategy? Side not just Nicola Sturgeon dismissing the
:27:22. > :27:25.more literate comment submit had in previous weeks, the Boris Johnson
:27:26. > :27:31.has made about Hitler comparing Hitler to the U, about David Cameron
:27:32. > :27:38.on third world war. This is a serious analysis that she is
:27:39. > :27:42.dismissing. You're saying, you treat them as stupid by dismissing that.
:27:43. > :27:45.An independent investigation is going to be held into the disorder
:27:46. > :27:50.at the Scottish Cup final after the violent clashes at Hampden Park when
:27:51. > :27:55.thousands of people spilled onto the page at the final whistle. You think
:27:56. > :28:00.that is the right action? There needs to be an inquiry. It's hard to
:28:01. > :28:05.know what to say about this without resorting to the dreadful cliche of
:28:06. > :28:13.a handful of idiots spoil it for everyone else. It was a great game,
:28:14. > :28:16.a great story, with Hibs overcoming this 100 year cup hoodoo.
:28:17. > :28:21.Personally, I wouldn't have even begrudged Hibs a pitch invasion and
:28:22. > :28:27.grass related souvenirs, why not? But I'm afraid when you have images
:28:28. > :28:31.of fans wielding corner flags as weapons apparently, there will be an
:28:32. > :28:35.inquiry. You can only assume, judging this on the pictures, that
:28:36. > :28:38.it was result in some kind of penalty for the club. That's a great
:28:39. > :28:42.pity, it will take the gloss off what was a great occasion. There
:28:43. > :28:48.have to be questions answered about how easy it is for fans to invade
:28:49. > :28:52.the page, it seems there is not allowed to the stewards can do if a
:28:53. > :28:58.group of are determined to get onto the pitch. I think that we can do is
:28:59. > :29:01.wait for the inquiry and feels slightly regret for out that what
:29:02. > :29:07.should've been a fantastic occasion for Hibs has been marred in this
:29:08. > :29:12.way. And just finally before we go, some happy news on Twitter today.
:29:13. > :29:15.The leader of the Scottish Conservatives Ruth Davidson has
:29:16. > :29:20.announced she will marry her partner. You think things can get
:29:21. > :29:23.better for Ruth Davidson? Side she's had a good year. Leader of the
:29:24. > :29:29.Opposition, engage, and she's talking about getting a puppy.
:29:30. > :29:34.Congratulations to Ruth Davidson and her partner Jan. It's always good
:29:35. > :29:39.news, isn't it? Side you will have to get new hats! Thank you for both
:29:40. > :29:43.coming in this evening. That's it for tonight, thank you for watching,
:29:44. > :29:46.I'll be back again tomorrow night at the usual time. Do please join me
:29:47. > :29:56.then if you can. Until then, goodbye.
:29:57. > :30:02.We haven't really wakened up to the implications of Brexit for Scotland.
:30:03. > :30:09.both in Scotland and abroad to find out.
:30:10. > :30:13.We've built our business models around EU membership,
:30:14. > :30:17.Brussels seemed to have more and more control.
:30:18. > :30:21.It was like a noose round our neck all the time.