:00:00. > :00:00.The Scottish parliament votes to ban fracking.
:00:00. > :00:31.Turning the heat up on the Scottish Government.
:00:32. > :00:34.MSPs vote to support an outright ban on fracking.
:00:35. > :00:41.Donald Trump will fly into Scotland the day the result is known.
:00:42. > :00:44.And, eclipsed by the other blonde bombshell.
:00:45. > :00:56.Is that why women's voices aren't being heard in the Euro debate.
:00:57. > :01:01.Labour, Lib Dem and Green MSPs united to push through an amendment
:01:02. > :01:05.at Holyrood today backing an outright ban on fracking.
:01:06. > :01:08.The SNP could have headed off the vote but that would have meant
:01:09. > :01:11.siding with the Conservatives against a ban.
:01:12. > :01:19.Scottish Ministers say they'll wait for scientific advice before
:01:20. > :01:25.The parliamentary vote does crank the pressure up
:01:26. > :01:39.From high above Falkirk and view of central Scotland, from the Forth in
:01:40. > :01:45.the east to nearly Glasgow in the west. What we can't see are the
:01:46. > :01:50.underground and undersea coal reserves, hundreds of millions of
:01:51. > :01:54.tonnes, or the exploitable shale gas trapped. That's what this makes this
:01:55. > :01:59.potential fracking country to the concern of many living here. If the
:02:00. > :02:03.industry gets the green light, the central belt of Scotland becomes the
:02:04. > :02:09.factory floor for the unconventional gas industry. It's not a few hundred
:02:10. > :02:14.wells. The entire central belt, 20,000 kilometres square is up for
:02:15. > :02:23.sale as exploration and development licences. This means we become a gas
:02:24. > :02:28.field in the central belt. . It's not ska Shale and fracking, it's oil
:02:29. > :02:33.and gas. People need to understand this. After a public inquiry into
:02:34. > :02:38.plans to extract methane gas, the Government announced a moratorium on
:02:39. > :02:42.fracking at the start of 2015, pending further scientific research.
:02:43. > :02:47.That remained the SNP's position going into May's election. Today,
:02:48. > :02:51.opposition parties tried to force their hand by calling for an
:02:52. > :02:55.outright ban on fracking. The voices of communities across Scotland need
:02:56. > :02:59.to be heard loud and clear, the potential risks to our environment
:03:00. > :03:02.from fracking are too much for too little reward. It's banned in
:03:03. > :03:07.France, in New York and other places. How much research do we need
:03:08. > :03:11.to show that it's dangerous? Scottish Labour is not sceptical, we
:03:12. > :03:16.are clear in our policy. No ifs, no buts, no fracking. The SNP abstained
:03:17. > :03:21.which means a ban is now parliament's position but not yet
:03:22. > :03:25.the Government's. This Government is deeply sceptical about fracking. We
:03:26. > :03:30.have ensured that no fracking can take place by putting in place a
:03:31. > :03:33.moratorium. We are also undertaking thorough research and plan to
:03:34. > :03:38.consult the people of Scotland fully on the issue so that any decision is
:03:39. > :03:44.based on both the evidence and public opinion. After the moratorium
:03:45. > :03:49.was announced, the company who owns the plant and want to be at the
:03:50. > :03:53.forefront of shale gas extraction here, relocated staff to England. A
:03:54. > :03:59.spokesman said today's vote changed very little.
:04:00. > :04:27.And that: The Government will now await the
:04:28. > :04:31.report of an expert panel due sometime next year before making a
:04:32. > :04:34.final decision. But their stated position is that there will be no
:04:35. > :04:39.fracking in Scotland unless it can be proven beyond doubt that there is
:04:40. > :04:45.no risk to health, communities or the environment. They don't believe
:04:46. > :04:51.here that will be possible. Human error occurs, equipment fails. Pipe
:04:52. > :04:55.work corrodes, maintenance can be declined in pursuit of profit
:04:56. > :04:58.margin. It's all in the hands of the industry. It makes the communities
:04:59. > :05:02.vulnerable, it's so close to many people. The risks cannot be taken.
:05:03. > :05:04.Joining me now to discuss this from our Edinburgh studio
:05:05. > :05:08.is Scottish Conservative's environment spokesman Maurice Golden
:05:09. > :05:09.and Scottish Labour's spokeswoman on the environment,
:05:10. > :05:25.Welcome to both of you. Claudia Beachish, is fracking now a
:05:26. > :05:30.non-starter? Well, absolutely. It's really been the concern of many
:05:31. > :05:36.communities across the central belt of Scotland, the coal belt, for a
:05:37. > :05:42.considerable amount of time and now it would be very worrying if the SNP
:05:43. > :05:45.didn't make a decision to actually listen to the will of the Scottish
:05:46. > :05:49.parliament, as the vote showed today that there should be a total ban. Is
:05:50. > :05:52.that the only thing that they should be listening to? They've said
:05:53. > :05:55.they'll take account of the vote, they're not ruling it out at the
:05:56. > :06:00.moment. Isn't it right that that they wait for the science and make a
:06:01. > :06:04.decision based on the facts? Well, the reason that Scottish Labour took
:06:05. > :06:09.for this amendment and the Greens had an amendment and it was
:06:10. > :06:13.supported by the Lib Dems today, is because there is very robust
:06:14. > :06:18.evidence already and particularly in relation to climate science and that
:06:19. > :06:23.science is irrefutable that methane has an even higher proportion of
:06:24. > :06:27.heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide which is what people have
:06:28. > :06:33.been worrying about in the past. We have to be really clear today that
:06:34. > :06:42.the will of the Scottish parliament is that we do not have fracking and
:06:43. > :06:47.coalbed methane. There are a range of other possibilities for people in
:06:48. > :06:50.these communities with local jobs and that at the same time we protect
:06:51. > :06:55.our future and our present communities from climate change. OK.
:06:56. > :07:01.Maurice Golden, the science is irrefutable? Well, the independent
:07:02. > :07:06.expert scientific panel convened by the Scottish Government in 2014
:07:07. > :07:10.concluded that the technology exists for the safe extraction. So,
:07:11. > :07:15.fracking, according to the Scottish Government's own report, is safe.
:07:16. > :07:20.But the Scottish Government itself says they're deeply sceptical about
:07:21. > :07:22.fracking, there is another scientific evidence-gathering
:07:23. > :07:27.exercise going on. And they want to consult the public. Isn't that the
:07:28. > :07:36.right thing to do? Well, I think it's worrying that the Scottish
:07:37. > :07:38.Government won't listen to their own Scottish experts, geology experts,
:07:39. > :07:44.imminent health professionals with regard to this. I think it's very
:07:45. > :07:51.disappointing. We need to get the SNP to make a decision and stop with
:07:52. > :07:55.maybe, maybe no and this approach. Wasn't this vote today really more
:07:56. > :08:02.about politics, about just trying to force the SNP to stand alongside the
:08:03. > :08:07.Conservatives, Claudia? No, Scottish Labour, I brought the amendment
:08:08. > :08:11.today because of supporting communities but also because of the
:08:12. > :08:16.science that is absolutely clear about climate change and also the
:08:17. > :08:22.concerns from across the world from research which actually show that
:08:23. > :08:28.the environment is threatened by it and it's not just in relation to
:08:29. > :08:32.whether it could be safe to frack, which is debatable and I would
:08:33. > :08:36.dispute what Maurice is saying about that, it's also the effect on our
:08:37. > :08:40.communities if this went ahead in terms of transport, in terms of
:08:41. > :08:45.possible health risks and a range of other issues. The SNP really does
:08:46. > :08:50.need to come down off the fence and support the ban which the Scottish
:08:51. > :08:54.parliament today has voted for. Maurice Golden, do you think that
:08:55. > :08:59.the economic case for fracking has really been considered by MSPs
:09:00. > :09:05.today? Not at all. I mean, the independent experts have said that
:09:06. > :09:11.fracking is safe but also Ernst and Young have said for the UK and
:09:12. > :09:16.investment level of up to ?33 billion could be levied as well as a
:09:17. > :09:20.creation of 64,000 jobs across the UK, I want those jobs here in
:09:21. > :09:25.Scotland. I want that investment here in Scotland. Claudia Beamish,
:09:26. > :09:31.that's a lot of money and jobs. It certainly is. But people have said
:09:32. > :09:36.that we need fracking as a transition fuel and this is simply
:09:37. > :09:41.not the case. It's absolutely clear that renewables are already taking
:09:42. > :09:45.off in Scotland. We have robust policies to support them, certainly
:09:46. > :09:49.not support by the Tories down south who haven't been helpful with this.
:09:50. > :09:55.But it's absolutely clear that there are jobs, the office of national
:09:56. > :10:01.statistics has shown that even in 2014, two years ago, that there were
:10:02. > :10:05.over 21,000 jobs in renewables, these will bring local jobs, and
:10:06. > :10:08.possibility of manufacturing and we simply do not need fracking as an
:10:09. > :10:11.interim fuel with the risks to climate and the risks to the
:10:12. > :10:16.environment and to our communities when there are very good jobs that
:10:17. > :10:20.can be developed, highly skilled jobs through transferable skills and
:10:21. > :10:25.the Scottish Government really does need to make this decision and stop
:10:26. > :10:28.dithering on the fence. Briefly, do you think that means fracking won't
:10:29. > :10:35.happen in Scotland now after this vote? I don't know. It's really up
:10:36. > :10:41.to the SNP to decide on that. You know, one thing's for sure, fracking
:10:42. > :10:45.offers many benefits and how the Labour Party can look those
:10:46. > :10:49.unemployed oil and gas workers in the eye and deny them the
:10:50. > :10:54.opportunity for a new job is quite beyond me.
:10:55. > :10:58.We must leave it there. Thank you very much for coming in.
:10:59. > :11:01.Now, on the 24th of June we'll know the result of the EU referendum.
:11:02. > :11:04.But that could be upstaged by a certain US presidential
:11:05. > :11:07.candidate who's chosen that day to jet into Scotland.
:11:08. > :11:11.Donald Trump is coming for the opening of his refurbished
:11:12. > :11:19.There had been calls to ban him from entering Britain
:11:20. > :11:21.because of controversial comments he's made on the campaign trial.
:11:22. > :11:25.But he's getting a good press in the unlikeliest of places.
:11:26. > :11:28.North Korean state media has just hailed Mr Trump
:11:29. > :11:33.Here with me is Peter Jackson, Professor of Global Security
:11:34. > :11:46.Good evening to you. What do you make of those comments in the North
:11:47. > :11:50.Korean state media? Well, I suppose it's not surprising that North
:11:51. > :11:54.Korea, Government there or the state media is quite positive about Donald
:11:55. > :11:59.Trump because Donald Trump has said openly he is willing to talk to the
:12:00. > :12:03.North Korean dictator about North Korea's nuclear programme and has
:12:04. > :12:06.even said he would be willing in some circumstances to consider
:12:07. > :12:11.withdrawing American troops, American military support from the
:12:12. > :12:14.Korean peninsula, this would be manna for the North Korean
:12:15. > :12:17.Government. It's not surprising they're enthusiastic about Donald
:12:18. > :12:23.Trump's prospects to be President. If Donald Trump was to do that, to
:12:24. > :12:26.meet the North Korean leader, to withdraw US troops from South Korea,
:12:27. > :12:35.what do you think the effect would be of a foreign policy shift like
:12:36. > :12:41.that? Well, I mean, it would certainly improve prospects for a
:12:42. > :12:48.more aggressive North Korean policy to unify the Korean peninsula. But
:12:49. > :12:53.even more worrying in some ways is the question of what it would say
:12:54. > :12:57.about American Presidents in the Asia-Pacific region more generally
:12:58. > :13:03.and especially the United States policy of standing up for the states
:13:04. > :13:11.in territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea and east
:13:12. > :13:17.China Sea, like Japan and the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia
:13:18. > :13:22.and Vietnam. The United States has made very clear its intention at the
:13:23. > :13:26.moment to bolster its military presence and strategic presence in
:13:27. > :13:32.that region. If that was to be with withdrawn it could destabilise the
:13:33. > :13:36.whole Asia-Pacific region and call into question American - the
:13:37. > :13:38.American pivot to the Pacific. Hillary Clinton is meant to give a
:13:39. > :13:42.speech tomorrow, we are expecting her to talk about the threat Donald
:13:43. > :13:46.Trump poses to national security. It does seem like that the battle lines
:13:47. > :13:50.are being drawn on foreign policy. Well, if that's the case I suppose
:13:51. > :13:55.this is good news for Hillary Clinton and her campaign, because
:13:56. > :14:00.she has credibility as American Secretary of State between 2009 and
:14:01. > :14:04.2013. She is also on the right in foreign policy terms on the
:14:05. > :14:08.Democratic Party, she is one of the big hawks, from the Democratic Party
:14:09. > :14:18.and she has real credentials. Whereas, Donald Trump's foreign
:14:19. > :14:20.policy pronouncements up to now have been inconsistent, contradictory,
:14:21. > :14:25.erratic, all that we often associate with his campaign so far. We know
:14:26. > :14:29.that he favours a Brexit in the euro referendum. What about this visit to
:14:30. > :14:30.Scotland he has announced, do you think the time something a
:14:31. > :14:40.coincidence? I suppose he wouldn't be able to
:14:41. > :14:44.come before the Californian primaries, maybe it was planned all
:14:45. > :14:49.along, but there would be a spotlight on Great Britain on the
:14:50. > :14:53.23rd and 24th of June. I suppose that his thinking and his campaign
:14:54. > :15:00.is thinking, it would do him no harm to be in the spotlight. Professor
:15:01. > :15:02.Peter Jackson, thank you for coming in. You are welcome.
:15:03. > :15:05.Donald Trump may be with us the day after the European referendum
:15:06. > :15:08.but we still have three full weeks of campaigning until then.
:15:09. > :15:09.Is that debate being dominated by men?
:15:10. > :15:13.A new study suggests it is - with a tiny proportion of the voices
:15:14. > :15:15.on some of the main TV bulletins being female.
:15:16. > :15:17.The figures are even worse for national newspapers.
:15:18. > :15:24.And do the campaigns think they have arguments that
:15:25. > :15:30.Here's our political correspondent Nick Eardley.
:15:31. > :15:42.Recognise him? What about him? David Cameron and Boris Johnson are
:15:43. > :15:45.effective leaders of the Remain and Lead campaigns, battling for your
:15:46. > :15:51.boat on June the 23rd. You might recognise these two as
:15:52. > :15:56.well, George Osborne is pro-EU, Iain Duncan Smith wants to leave.
:15:57. > :16:01.A recent study suggested the lack of gender balance in the campaign has
:16:02. > :16:05.stuck. Analysis of major news bulletins and
:16:06. > :16:09.newspapers found the top ten contributors were men.
:16:10. > :16:14.Women accounted for only 16% of TV coverage, and under a tent in the
:16:15. > :16:19.national press. Women are virtually absent from the media coverage of
:16:20. > :16:23.the campaign -- a 10th. Looking at national coverage of the debate,
:16:24. > :16:30.they are, if you like, almost invisible from that debate. Remain
:16:31. > :16:35.supporting SNP MP John Cherry thinks it can affect the turnout. It would
:16:36. > :16:38.be good to have decisive results and if women are not engaged in the
:16:39. > :16:42.debate, there's a risk that women will not turn out to vote because
:16:43. > :16:47.they would not see the benefit of voting, that is regrettable for
:16:48. > :16:52.everyone concerned -- Joanna Cherry. This top-heavy male domination
:16:53. > :16:56.reflects the European Union. All of the big EU institutions, every
:16:57. > :17:03.single one is headed by man. Looking at pay within EU institutions, women
:17:04. > :17:08.very badly. The independence referendum showed some attempts to
:17:09. > :17:13.appeal to women can backfire. Have you made a decision yet? I was like,
:17:14. > :17:19.it is too early to be discussing politics. Eat your serial! Are there
:17:20. > :17:23.issues in the debate that relate particularly to women? Looking back
:17:24. > :17:27.at the history, gender equality is one of the founding principles and
:17:28. > :17:32.the EU has been at the forefront for the fight or gender equality. We've
:17:33. > :17:37.done far better on rights than anything the EU has ever legislated
:17:38. > :17:41.for. My concern is, looking at the make-up of the EU, there are a lot
:17:42. > :17:46.of countries with very backward attitudes to women still, and they
:17:47. > :17:50.are making our legislation. Scotland's three largest parties are
:17:51. > :17:53.all led by the malls, they have all contributed to the EU debate.
:17:54. > :17:59.First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was at Westminster to make her statement
:18:00. > :18:05.last week. A lot has changed since winning the
:18:06. > :18:07.vote a century ago. For some, there is still a long way
:18:08. > :18:10.to go. So why aren't women's voices
:18:11. > :18:12.being heard in this campaign? Just before we came on air I spoke
:18:13. > :18:19.to Lorna Kettles from The number of women featured in the
:18:20. > :18:26.media is pitifully low. But, how much of that do you think is the
:18:27. > :18:30.media's fault? Well, I think unless you are invited to the table, you
:18:31. > :18:35.cannot be part of anything. It is the media's fault in so much of the
:18:36. > :18:38.way that they portray women and gender stereotypical roles that
:18:39. > :18:41.women undertake and the underrepresentation of women in
:18:42. > :18:47.political and public life. I think that is really one of the indicators
:18:48. > :18:51.as to why women are not represented in this very important debate. And
:18:52. > :18:55.it is a very important debate. So much of what is being discussed will
:18:56. > :18:59.have an impact on women, they should be at the front but it seems to me
:19:00. > :19:03.that unless you are the Prime Minister or Boris Johnson, nobody is
:19:04. > :19:07.interested. It is more about scandal. We have an issue in
:19:08. > :19:12.Scotland as well where there is a fairly united front. There is no
:19:13. > :19:15.real debate between party leaders. Our three strong women party leaders
:19:16. > :19:20.perhaps thought they would not have much to add, because they are all
:19:21. > :19:24.singing from the same hymn sheet, if you like. If the debate is dominated
:19:25. > :19:30.by men, certainly at Westminster, if the leaders of the different groups
:19:31. > :19:33.are men, we have Nigel Farage, George Osborne, the Prime
:19:34. > :19:38.Minister... Isn't it inevitable that the coverage is going to be a bit
:19:39. > :19:43.skewed? Of course, but that is not right and, as I say, that is what it
:19:44. > :19:48.comes back to, underrepresentation of women. We make up 52% of the
:19:49. > :19:55.population but it is not reflected at the levels it needs to be. Yes,
:19:56. > :19:59.you were right, where there are a lot of men, men will dominate. We
:20:00. > :20:01.have to break that down and challenge it, make sure there are
:20:02. > :20:07.more women at the table having their voices heard. Women are key
:20:08. > :20:11.undecided voters we are told in the campaign, is this something about
:20:12. > :20:15.the debate itself, or even the EU institutions themselves that is
:20:16. > :20:20.off-putting to women? Absolutely, I think there are a number of factors
:20:21. > :20:23.you can the reasons as to why women are still undecided. Perhaps they
:20:24. > :20:26.perhaps a lot of it is to do with women not liking to jump into things
:20:27. > :20:32.with two feet, they like to think about what they will do but I think
:20:33. > :20:37.as well, the EU is a fairly separate institution from Scotland women's
:20:38. > :20:41.Convention organisation, we speak to women throughout the country. Some
:20:42. > :20:48.of them feel Hollywood is far removed from them, so if that is far
:20:49. > :20:54.removed, Westminster is further and the EU is even further, they don't
:20:55. > :20:57.see it as impacting on their everyday lives, they have a real
:20:58. > :21:05.groundswell of women but we don't have it in this and it will impact
:21:06. > :21:11.on their lives. -- Holyrood. Do we need women to be bolder in putting
:21:12. > :21:15.themselves forward? Absolutely, we have plenty of capable women, it is
:21:16. > :21:23.not an issue of capability. We held an event on Saturday around the EU
:21:24. > :21:27.referendum, we had four women speakers, very different political
:21:28. > :21:33.opinions but it was a great, healthy and engaging debate.
:21:34. > :21:37.Ask us, it is not that we don't want to be involved, but when you have
:21:38. > :21:42.grey men in grey suits dominating conversation, it is hard to get in.
:21:43. > :21:44.Thank you for coming into night. Thank you.
:21:45. > :21:48.With me now to talk about that and the day's other news are former
:21:49. > :21:50.SNP special advisor Ewan Crawford and Editor of the online site
:21:51. > :21:53.Liberal Democrat Voice, Caron Lindsay.
:21:54. > :22:05.Good to see you both this evening. We heard Lorna Kettles saying there
:22:06. > :22:11.were plenty for women to talk about about the EU referendum, why aren't
:22:12. > :22:13.we hearing from them? Every political campaign in the
:22:14. > :22:18.independence referendum as well, if you looked at the TV coverage, you
:22:19. > :22:24.would get similar sorts of ratios... Is it that bad? 86 to 14 is pretty
:22:25. > :22:29.bad? It felt like that sometimes, women's voices were not being heard.
:22:30. > :22:33.I am actually glad it is being noticed and people think it is a bad
:22:34. > :22:38.thing. And something needs to be done. But I think, actually, women
:22:39. > :22:42.are getting how important this is and it does affect their daily
:22:43. > :22:46.lives. I've been out in the streets handing out leaflets and women are
:22:47. > :22:50.coming up to me and saying, yes, we will stay in. It is things like
:22:51. > :22:54.maternity leave and employment rights, they do not want to hand
:22:55. > :22:58.them over to the likes of Michael Gove and Boris Johnson. Without
:22:59. > :23:03.trying to deflect the blame here, and from the media, is it all our
:23:04. > :23:06.fault? You've worked behind-the-scenes for a political
:23:07. > :23:10.party, often we will ask political parties for people to come on and
:23:11. > :23:15.they will give us a man? I'm not sure that is entirely true, having
:23:16. > :23:20.worked for Nicola Sturgeon, my experience was clearly different...
:23:21. > :23:26.My point is, the media aren't always in control... Of who your guests
:23:27. > :23:30.will be? Yes, identity to the media 's fault in this instance, I went to
:23:31. > :23:34.blame them for a lot of things but ultimately, at the moment the
:23:35. > :23:38.referendum campaign seems to be a huge spat within the Conservative
:23:39. > :23:41.Party. They are tearing themselves apart. Looking at Westminster
:23:42. > :23:45.Conservatives they are not tremendously gender balanced. It is
:23:46. > :23:50.not just if you not a woman you are not involved, if you are not called
:23:51. > :23:58.Cameron, Johnson or Osborne, you are not involved. What is interesting,
:23:59. > :24:01.Theresa May, a prominent Conservative politician, she says
:24:02. > :24:03.she is in the in campaign and has not been involved presumably for
:24:04. > :24:08.reasons that may or may not involve the leadership subsequent to the
:24:09. > :24:10.referendum but because the campaign is focused on these conservatives,
:24:11. > :24:17.that may be why we have not seen diversity. If the main core of the
:24:18. > :24:21.debate was in Scotland, obviously with the female leaders, perhaps
:24:22. > :24:25.things would be different. But the leaders of the parties, of the
:24:26. > :24:29.campaigns, they actually are men. How much can you manipulate that? I
:24:30. > :24:35.think there are many women who could be asked to talk. In the
:24:36. > :24:38.independence referendum, I made a list of 40 or 50 women who could be
:24:39. > :24:42.approached who were not being heard from both sides of the argument. I
:24:43. > :24:46.thought it was important that women's voices got into the debate
:24:47. > :24:51.and I hoped it would be very different if we heard more women and
:24:52. > :24:54.did not just here the right wing of the Conservative Party ripping
:24:55. > :24:59.itself to pieces. Let's move on to the vote on fracking in the
:25:00. > :25:04.parliament earlier today. Is this the end of fracking in Scotland now?
:25:05. > :25:12.Wing I don't think anything will change as a result of the vote. I do
:25:13. > :25:16.not cry labour from this. I've been in a similar position, you want to
:25:17. > :25:20.make noise. This was about political positioning and trying to say to the
:25:21. > :25:28.SNP, are you going to vote for the Tories? Then the SNP decline, and
:25:29. > :25:33.they say it's a political manoeuvre, fair enough, that is politics.
:25:34. > :25:37.Nobody should seriously mix it up with a serious attempt to change
:25:38. > :25:41.policy today, that is not what it was about. From Labour and the
:25:42. > :25:47.Conservatives, it was an attempt at a left or right debate, is fracking
:25:48. > :25:52.a politicised issue like that? Should it be? It is interesting how
:25:53. > :25:55.Parliamentary dynamics are working, you have a progressive
:25:56. > :26:00.environmentalist side, the Liberal Democrats and Greens together, the
:26:01. > :26:03.Tories do what the Tories do, that SNP... It is extraordinary that the
:26:04. > :26:08.government of the date decided to sit on their hands, they had the
:26:09. > :26:12.chance to say, OK, we will think about the future of the planet but
:26:13. > :26:16.they chose not to -- today. They have a process under way at the
:26:17. > :26:19.moment of getting scientific advice and will have public consultation,
:26:20. > :26:24.why would they stop in the middle of that? They had to make up their
:26:25. > :26:29.minds where they stand. Last year, Jim Ratcliffe said privately the SNP
:26:30. > :26:33.were saying that they were going to allow fracking by 2018. They've also
:26:34. > :26:37.been playing up to the green lobby as well by saying they had a
:26:38. > :26:41.moratorium. They have to make a decision at some point. Labour say
:26:42. > :26:50.that it would be outrageous if the SNP was to ignore this boat, is that
:26:51. > :26:55.true? -- float. That is why they held the debate, that is fine --
:26:56. > :26:58.vote. Nobody thinks that the government should change their
:26:59. > :27:02.policy, the Cabinet is not sitting on their hands, they are following
:27:03. > :27:06.government policy, doing exactly what they said they would do. I
:27:07. > :27:09.don't think anyone is suggesting they should change government policy
:27:10. > :27:14.just because Labour says what the SNP says is an outrage, they always
:27:15. > :27:21.do that. Before we go, the Donald Trump story, he is going to come to
:27:22. > :27:27.Scotland the day we all know the EU referendum result is coming out, is
:27:28. > :27:31.that a coincidence? He could not come much before then, this has been
:27:32. > :27:36.arranged a while, but it is an interesting day to come. I had
:27:37. > :27:40.visions of him turning up at the door of ten Downing St, being let in
:27:41. > :27:45.by David Cameron who tries to push off Tory MPs coming for his head out
:27:46. > :27:51.the back door. He is not going to be the story. Nor should we let him be.
:27:52. > :27:55.But I hope that while he is here he can meet some ordinary Scots, and
:27:56. > :27:58.realised that we are quite an inclusive, welcoming society. And
:27:59. > :28:03.learned something from it. How warm a reception will he get from the
:28:04. > :28:08.first Minster? I don't think hugely warm, I am waiting for someone to
:28:09. > :28:12.put a planning application in for a wind farm to see what reaction he
:28:13. > :28:16.would have to this off the coast of Ayrshire. But identity would be
:28:17. > :28:19.embraced by Nicola Sturgeon or David Cameron, I think he has been even
:28:20. > :28:28.ruder about him then Nicola Sturgeon. Do you think that they
:28:29. > :28:33.might? I would not think so, I think that at the moment he is the only
:28:34. > :28:37.Republican and there are two Democrats in the race, I think they
:28:38. > :28:41.will come together, let's face it he has annoyed a lot of people, mainly
:28:42. > :28:47.women as well. I cannot seem any women voting for him in November, we
:28:48. > :28:49.are a long way from that election. Thank you to both of you for coming
:28:50. > :28:52.in. I'm back again tomorrow
:28:53. > :28:56.night, usual time. So do please join me then,
:28:57. > :29:02.bye bye. With so many claims being
:29:03. > :29:05.made on both sides, the EU referendum might
:29:06. > :29:09.appear confusing.