:00:00. > :00:00.After four long years, we might actually be on our way
:00:07. > :00:26.to meet our challenging climate change targets.
:00:27. > :00:30.We will get the latest news on climate change targets tomorrow
:00:31. > :00:32.and there are strong indications Scotland will have met
:00:33. > :00:39.Vote Leave says Brexit will mean Scotland gains
:00:40. > :00:44.The First Minister calls that a fib and a half.
:00:45. > :00:50.Scotland stands shoulder to shoulder with Orlando.
:00:51. > :01:01.The attack is branded utterly evil by the Home Secretary.
:01:02. > :01:06.At this point in the year, we pore over the news about annual
:01:07. > :01:10.climate change targets, commiserating that once again,
:01:11. > :01:17.There are strong indications we might actually have met our world
:01:18. > :01:20.beating targets but that could be down to the way
:01:21. > :01:26.To get a handle on all this, I caught up with Stuart Hazszeldine,
:01:27. > :01:34.Professor of Carbon Capture at Edinburgh University.
:01:35. > :01:41.It looks likely we are going to meet these targets. Good news for
:01:42. > :01:48.Scotland? Yes, I think we have to welcome good news when it comes.
:01:49. > :01:52.Reducing our carbon emissions is an essential thing to do for any
:01:53. > :01:58.industrial country, to meet the climate targets, not just for
:01:59. > :02:02.Scotland but the worldwide targets. Tierney, we have had trouble meeting
:02:03. > :02:06.some of the detailed targets in the last few years but let us not beat
:02:07. > :02:12.ourselves up to much, we have been successful since 1990. We used to
:02:13. > :02:18.emit 80 million tonnes a year of carbon dioxide and in 2013, we
:02:19. > :02:23.emitted 53 million tonnes, so we have reduced by 38% during that time
:02:24. > :02:28.so that is good news. Good news but perhaps we might be eating these
:02:29. > :02:33.targets because of changes to EU rules, is that correct? Well, we
:02:34. > :02:38.have not seen the numbers yet but that is what the rumours are. The
:02:39. > :02:43.way carbon emissions are counted is divided into two. There is the inner
:02:44. > :02:47.lots and lots of emissions that we emit here but then chunky emissions
:02:48. > :02:53.from factories and power stations they have to buy permits from the EU
:02:54. > :02:58.and those are predicted each year in advance and reconcile afterwords
:02:59. > :03:02.when we know what happened. That is probably the adjustment we're
:03:03. > :03:06.talking about. What is happening in Scotland and in the rest of the UK
:03:07. > :03:11.is, we are solving some of this problem by closing down our old
:03:12. > :03:15.industry and that is good news and bad news of course because you had
:03:16. > :03:20.to replace it with something to get people good jobs in the future. That
:03:21. > :03:23.is maybe the easy thing to close down some of that industry but in
:03:24. > :03:27.the future, whereas the power going to be coming from? Could do was
:03:28. > :03:32.emissions start increasing through other means? That depends very much
:03:33. > :03:38.what we do and so in Scotland we have taken the easy steps, we have
:03:39. > :03:43.had power stations fuelled by coal at the end of their life. We have
:03:44. > :03:50.got to avoid rebuilding power stations which emit carbon from gas
:03:51. > :03:55.or coal so you could build low emission power stations perhaps in
:03:56. > :03:57.the future. We could build more renewable energies, we could carry
:03:58. > :04:02.on relying on the nuclear powers we have already got but all of this is
:04:03. > :04:05.small part of our overall carbon emissions because when everybody
:04:06. > :04:09.thinks about emissions, we just think, we have done really well, but
:04:10. > :04:15.that is just electricity. Electricity is only about the team %
:04:16. > :04:19.of the whole energy we use so we have barely started. The big things
:04:20. > :04:23.are to carbonise heat so that burning gas in your House for
:04:24. > :04:31.example in its carbon dioxide to get to your target, we will have to
:04:32. > :04:35.change that. Driving cars which emit petrol or diesel fumes, we will have
:04:36. > :04:42.to change those two electric cars. We will have to look after our big
:04:43. > :04:45.industry where we have a big opportunity to change into a low
:04:46. > :04:52.carbon centre because they will start paying extra emissions
:04:53. > :04:55.penalties from 2021 because of the European innocence regulation so
:04:56. > :04:58.people have not looked that far ahead properly yet, so we need to
:04:59. > :05:01.look ahead and take this opportunity is because they are a good way to
:05:02. > :05:09.create new business and lots of wealth in Scotland. Those are some
:05:10. > :05:14.of the next steps but those can be quite challenging for people? Yes,
:05:15. > :05:18.these are all challenging things but it is important to realise that we
:05:19. > :05:27.can make good incomes out of this so it is rather like the disposing of
:05:28. > :05:31.domestic waste, filling your wheelie bin by lots of rubbish and it got
:05:32. > :05:35.taken away once a week and got put in at a call. Then someone had the
:05:36. > :05:40.idea, we will charge you for disposing this waste and everyone
:05:41. > :05:44.said, this is impossible, but now, we recycle three quarters of that
:05:45. > :05:51.and the cost of the waste going to landfill is ?80 a tonne. It is
:05:52. > :05:55.actually created lots of recycling and new business so cleaning up
:05:56. > :05:58.carbon can be the same. For example, if we doubled the Forest area of
:05:59. > :06:04.Scotland, which is quite feasible, that could take 5 million tonnes a
:06:05. > :06:08.year out of the atmosphere of carbon dioxide and we could use those wood
:06:09. > :06:11.products for a making things, building materials and that creates
:06:12. > :06:13.a lot more employment in rural areas of Scotland.
:06:14. > :06:15.Tomorrow we'll be hearing from the Scottish government
:06:16. > :06:18.but tonight I'm joined by two Climate Change spokepeople -
:06:19. > :06:22.Mark Ruskell for the Scottish Greens and in our Edinburgh studio,
:06:23. > :06:39.The Greens are a new force in the Scottish parliament and good news
:06:40. > :06:43.about climate change targets for 2014 Games Mac I think it is a mixed
:06:44. > :06:49.picture. What we have seen is a quirk of accountancy, I think, which
:06:50. > :06:53.will show that Scotland has met its target at last. We have seen some
:06:54. > :07:00.good progress so cuts in emissions from electricity and from waste
:07:01. > :07:04.because of recycling, but we also see the ailing sectors as well. We
:07:05. > :07:10.need to have decent public transport put in place to provide an
:07:11. > :07:14.alternative so we can finally reduce emissions from transport. We need to
:07:15. > :07:20.get to grips with making our homes more efficient and there are
:07:21. > :07:25.opportunities coming up in the next session of the Scottish Parliament
:07:26. > :07:29.but we need to make that as ambitious as possible so we can
:07:30. > :07:33.really get the reductions and emissions but also create the jobs
:07:34. > :07:39.and get people out of fuel poverty. That is where the real benefit lies.
:07:40. > :07:44.The transformation that we need. Ambitious climate change targets,
:07:45. > :07:48.they have now been met. Good news for the people of Scotland after
:07:49. > :07:53.Labour called for more to be done, it looks we have done is? In a sense
:07:54. > :07:58.it has been done, yes, you are right. Let us not be churlish about
:07:59. > :08:02.this. It seems the rumours will be right, but we will meet our targets
:08:03. > :08:07.tomorrow, but we have to be very careful about this because a change
:08:08. > :08:12.is really needed right across Scotland and across all parts of
:08:13. > :08:15.society and the Scottish Government needs to lead on this with a report
:08:16. > :08:20.on policy proposals on the new climate change act which I believe
:08:21. > :08:25.is going to be brought in by the new Cabinet Secretary in the autumn.
:08:26. > :08:31.Having been to the Paris summit myself, and met with community
:08:32. > :08:35.groups from across the world, there is a palpable sense in which there
:08:36. > :08:41.is an obligation that we must, in developed countries such as Scotland
:08:42. > :08:48.and as part of the UK, we must lead on these issues in the future.
:08:49. > :08:52.Claudia talks about this step change and Stuart was pointing out some of
:08:53. > :08:57.the things that need to be looked at. All very well for government to
:08:58. > :09:02.legislate but a lot of it comes down to our own individual behaviour?
:09:03. > :09:05.Yes, but it is the role of the government to make choices as easy
:09:06. > :09:12.as possible. If you look at public transport infrastructure, we have
:09:13. > :09:15.seen the success of -- successful governments through to the SNP now
:09:16. > :09:21.failing to take the right decisions on public transport infrastructure.
:09:22. > :09:26.Unless we get the investment in real roots, unless we have publicly bus
:09:27. > :09:31.service which runs in the public interest, we're not going to be able
:09:32. > :09:34.to divide the choices that people desperately need. If you don't have
:09:35. > :09:38.the right infrastructure in your community to safely cycle to walk or
:09:39. > :09:43.school or to work, then Frankie, you will drive. It is the role of
:09:44. > :09:46.government to ensure that that infrastructure is in place and it is
:09:47. > :09:51.making these choices easy for people to make other than hard. It can be
:09:52. > :09:55.difficult for governments. Previous UK Labour government urged people to
:09:56. > :10:00.buy and run the diesel cars and it looks like they are far more
:10:01. > :10:06.polluting than petrol car is so people to train -- change their
:10:07. > :10:09.behaviour, it has to be that they have to receive the right
:10:10. > :10:12.information? Certainly and we have moved on from that. I give you an
:10:13. > :10:18.example of the sort of adventurous policies that are happening in other
:10:19. > :10:24.countries. Norway has just put forward a policy that says that by
:10:25. > :10:30.2025 it will not be possible to buy a fuel car in Norway and if we are
:10:31. > :10:34.to have that sort of a step change in Scotland, we need to be careful
:10:35. > :10:40.that we work with businesses, manufacturers and with communities
:10:41. > :10:45.to take those sorts of issues forward and to answer your question
:10:46. > :10:49.specifically about what can people do, I think it is the role of
:10:50. > :10:55.government but it is also the role right at across society and having
:10:56. > :11:01.been a teacher, I have seen that young pupils can certainly be
:11:02. > :11:04.eco-warriors and go and persuade their parents of the value, but we
:11:05. > :11:10.must remember that climate justice is not something that the Scottish
:11:11. > :11:15.Government should only be doing in sub-Saharan Africa, it is over here
:11:16. > :11:19.as well so that we don't leave any communities behind and that is a
:11:20. > :11:23.Scottish Labour view, we must take everyone with us on this quest.
:11:24. > :11:29.Future targets, should they be quite easy to meet or should they be very
:11:30. > :11:33.challenging? We need to look at that as a new climate bill coming into
:11:34. > :11:36.the parliament, we sit here on the edge of Europe with fantastic
:11:37. > :11:42.renewable resources, we should be an energy exporter so having higher
:11:43. > :11:46.climate change targets makes sense, not just the environment but also
:11:47. > :11:50.for the economy. We're talking about quitting jobs. Thank you both very
:11:51. > :11:52.much for joining us. The Lord Chancellor
:11:53. > :11:55.and Brexiteer Michael Gove has been back on home turf,
:11:56. > :11:57.at his parents' house in the north east, and today
:11:58. > :11:59.campaigning in Glasgow. He and his Vote Leave supporters say
:12:00. > :12:02.Scotland could have greater control over immigration if
:12:03. > :12:05.the UK leaves the EU. As Andrew Black reports,
:12:06. > :12:11.the idea is based on Scotland having a distinct immigration policy
:12:12. > :12:25.like the Isle of Man. In a tiny island, there is a whole
:12:26. > :12:30.world of beauty and interest. This was the Isle of Man in 1959, a time
:12:31. > :12:35.when the European Union was beginning to take shape. The island
:12:36. > :12:39.never joined the EU but it did develop special relations with what
:12:40. > :12:43.is known as the European economic area. Those arguing for Britain to
:12:44. > :12:46.leave the EU said that has allowed them to have a more selective
:12:47. > :12:52.immigration system which is argued could be a model for Scotland. One
:12:53. > :12:55.Brexit campaigner, the UK Justice Secretary, was in Glasgow today to
:12:56. > :13:02.argue that Scotland could get greater control over immigration in
:13:03. > :13:07.the result of a vote to Leave. It seems unfair you have an immigration
:13:08. > :13:11.policy that discriminates against book who come from outside the EU.
:13:12. > :13:16.If we leave the EU, we could have a policy that could shape the needs of
:13:17. > :13:19.Scotland's economy and the needs of the whole of the UK. Michael Gove
:13:20. > :13:24.says his plan for an Australian style system is what the SNP
:13:25. > :13:39.advocated when it said: Nicola Sturgeon, testing out the
:13:40. > :13:42.latest virtual reality here at this technology company, said his
:13:43. > :13:49.argument was as far removed from reality as you can get. I have
:13:50. > :13:56.argued long and hard about this but we have seen government is saying
:13:57. > :13:58.now to that. But to leave the EU doesn't magically change that. He
:13:59. > :14:02.might want to pretend he is on the same side as me but Michael Gove is
:14:03. > :14:10.one of the passionate advocates of a new boat in the UK referendum. How
:14:11. > :14:16.do these immigration arguments stack up? There is no reason why Brexit
:14:17. > :14:21.would facilitate so I am not sure what the logical link is between
:14:22. > :14:25.Brexit and this proposal, this is something the government could
:14:26. > :14:28.propose whether or not the UK was in the EU. Scotland could have a
:14:29. > :14:33.different system to England so I don't see how that is contingent on
:14:34. > :14:37.EU membership or not. Immigration has been one of the biggest and most
:14:38. > :14:41.controversial issue in this referendum campaign and in the
:14:42. > :14:42.run-up to voting day on the 23rd of June, it looks like that is how
:14:43. > :14:46.things will continue. representing the Scottish Vote Leave
:14:47. > :14:49.campaign is Tom Harris, and in our Westminster studio
:14:50. > :15:04.is the Head of the European Movement First of all, Tom, where on earth
:15:05. > :15:08.did this idea come from? In the Smith commission there was no
:15:09. > :15:13.promise of immigration policy for Scotland, in fact the SNP have been
:15:14. > :15:14.campaigning to get post study work visas for Scotland and now we get
:15:15. > :15:31.this promise. As you rightly say immigration has
:15:32. > :15:33.been a big part of this campaign and people, especially employers, have
:15:34. > :15:36.expressed some concerns that if we have control over borders and there
:15:37. > :15:39.are low levels of education then how will we filled the skills gap? It is
:15:40. > :15:43.the decision to leave the EU and the negotiation that follow that boat
:15:44. > :15:47.that gives Scottish ministers an opportunity to engage in that issue
:15:48. > :15:52.and make the case for a Scottish Visa scheme. It is true that the UK
:15:53. > :15:58.Government hasn't given up that much of the hearing so far but the reason
:15:59. > :16:01.I am raising this is that it is a vital opportunity for Scottish
:16:02. > :16:11.ministers and all of the devolved ministers from all of the different
:16:12. > :16:14.nations to get involved in the negotiations post the referendum and
:16:15. > :16:16.make a case for this because it is a unique opportunity that will not
:16:17. > :16:18.present itself again. I think Scottish ministers are pretty
:16:19. > :16:20.sickened by the Lord Chancellor from the Westminster government coming
:16:21. > :16:25.here and dangling the case of a family who could be deported back to
:16:26. > :16:28.Australia through UK Government rules saying that they might be able
:16:29. > :16:34.to stay but not under the current rules. It does not really seem right
:16:35. > :16:40.or fair, does it? I understand the cynicism. It is a simple point, if
:16:41. > :16:45.you have got to taps, are hot and hold -- a hot and cold, and you
:16:46. > :16:48.cannot turn off the hot tap then you have two turn of the other tab
:16:49. > :16:52.instead. If we have unlimited immigration from the EU and we need
:16:53. > :16:54.to control it and the only way to control it is with non-EU
:16:55. > :17:03.immigration, it isn't much of a choice. Perhaps this is a fair idea
:17:04. > :17:08.if Scotland got control over immigration. First of all, the Isle
:17:09. > :17:12.of Man is not a parallel, it is a Crown dependency, not part of the
:17:13. > :17:17.United Kingdom. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom and at the moment
:17:18. > :17:20.immigration is a reserved power. The only circumstances were if the
:17:21. > :17:26.United Kingdom were to decide to leave the European Union in which
:17:27. > :17:29.immigration would become the responsibility of Cardiff, Belfast
:17:30. > :17:33.or Edinburgh would be if the united Kingdom government, the Westminster
:17:34. > :17:38.government, was willing to devolve that responsibility to all of these
:17:39. > :17:42.constituent nations of the United Kingdom. This idea has been floating
:17:43. > :17:47.around for some weeks among those who want us to leave the European
:17:48. > :17:52.Union. At one stage they were arguing that automatically, legally,
:17:53. > :17:56.automatically these powers would transfer and that was shown to be
:17:57. > :18:01.completely irrelevant. Perhaps the problem for your side is that boat
:18:02. > :18:10.and leave our actually pressing all of the right buttons. They have hit
:18:11. > :18:13.the sweet spot here and the Sun newspaper in England has been saying
:18:14. > :18:20.that they will come out and back Brexit. Rupert Murdoch owns the
:18:21. > :18:25.paper and he has said that this is our last chance to remove ourselves
:18:26. > :18:29.from the undemocratic Brussels machine and it is time to take it.
:18:30. > :18:35.It is a problem for your side, isn't it? Well, hold the front page! The
:18:36. > :18:38.sun wants Britain to come out of the European Union. Everyone knows that
:18:39. > :18:43.has been the policy of Rupert Murdoch for ever. The real point, if
:18:44. > :18:46.you want to get onto the substance, never mind the illegality of what is
:18:47. > :18:50.being proposed, the real point is that we now have a lot of ugly
:18:51. > :18:56.language. Those who want to come out have given up any reference to the
:18:57. > :19:00.economy, as --, any reference to security Britain's place in the
:19:01. > :19:07.world. The sole issue on which they are trying to get a vote in their
:19:08. > :19:10.favour is based on immigration and, quite frankly, if I can echo the
:19:11. > :19:16.words of the Archbishop of Canterbury, with so much credibility
:19:17. > :19:19.being given by the out campaign to Mr Phil Raj, then I am afraid that
:19:20. > :19:26.what is being said is verging on racism. -- Mr Nigel Farage. In the
:19:27. > :19:31.long term the kind of language which has been used in this country as
:19:32. > :19:36.part of this campaign could have deep and long-lasting impact on race
:19:37. > :19:41.relations within the United Kingdom. Those are strong words. I will let
:19:42. > :19:46.you pick up on that. Verging on racism, really, from your side of
:19:47. > :19:51.the campaign? I am not going to get into the gutter with Menzies
:19:52. > :19:54.Campbell. It is just a smear. What he said earlier about the claim that
:19:55. > :19:57.believe campaigners said that immigration powers would be
:19:58. > :20:01.automatically devolved is he has not been paying attention once more.
:20:02. > :20:05.There are extra powers that the Scottish parliament will get when we
:20:06. > :20:09.leave the EU, fisheries and agriculture, what we are seeing here
:20:10. > :20:15.is not about immigration powers but about work powers and employment. We
:20:16. > :20:19.did have the fresh talent initiative so there is precedent for the
:20:20. > :20:21.Scottish Parliament in coordination with the UK ministers, taking some
:20:22. > :20:26.of those powers to benefit the economy. He says we have not been
:20:27. > :20:30.saying anything about the economy but this is a hard and fast proposal
:20:31. > :20:35.that he is not giving the time of day two. But what you are saying is
:20:36. > :20:39.perhaps a bit illusory. You were sitting in the hot seat yesterday
:20:40. > :20:43.and of course if the UK has access to the single market, we must allow
:20:44. > :20:50.free movement then, so we don't have that kind of control? The Isle of
:20:51. > :20:54.Man does not allow free movement. It has a relationship with the European
:20:55. > :20:58.Union economic area and there is absolutely no reason at all in the
:20:59. > :21:01.current political circumstance where we could not develop exactly the
:21:02. > :21:08.same kind of opt out and relationship with the European
:21:09. > :21:11.economic area. All the kind of pessimism that we have from Menzies
:21:12. > :21:17.Campbell is not relevant to this debate. Let us pick up on the point
:21:18. > :21:21.that he will not get into the gutter with you. On that basis you will not
:21:22. > :21:24.get into the gutter with the Archbishop of Canterbury. I think it
:21:25. > :21:30.is a legitimate question to ask whether the language that has been
:21:31. > :21:33.used in recent days in support of bringing the United Kingdom out of
:21:34. > :21:43.the European Union does or does not board on racism. I think... What is
:21:44. > :21:51.it I have said that you find so offensive? The language that has
:21:52. > :21:58.been used by Nigel Farage. I am not him, I about my language? I am
:21:59. > :22:04.complaining about the attitude... It is a smear. Complaining that
:22:05. > :22:08.attitude of the people who support the campaign to leave the European
:22:09. > :22:13.Union. There was appointed a previous answer, if, but only if,
:22:14. > :22:16.the United Kingdom Parliament was willing to make further adjustment
:22:17. > :22:21.to the relationship between London and Edinburgh, then there could be a
:22:22. > :22:26.scheme of the kind you described, but it is a political decision, not
:22:27. > :22:33.a legal decision in any sense whatsoever. A final right of reply.
:22:34. > :22:37.Of course it is a legal decision. We need to encourage the Scottish
:22:38. > :22:40.ministers to be at the negotiations, batting for Scotland and getting
:22:41. > :22:44.concessions and a new deal for the first time in over 40 years. It is a
:22:45. > :22:49.marvellous opportunity for Scotland to have its voice heard. I am sorry
:22:50. > :22:51.we have to leave it there. Thank you very much for joining me.
:22:52. > :22:53.Now, security at public events in the UK will be reviewed
:22:54. > :22:57.by the police in the wake of the attack on a nightclub in Orlando.
:22:58. > :22:59.Theresa May, the Home Secretary, made the announcement
:23:00. > :23:01.in parliament as she condemned the attack as utterly evil.
:23:02. > :23:03.Solidarity vigils have been held around the world
:23:04. > :23:06.by the LGBT community and their supporters.
:23:07. > :23:18.Huw Williams reports from Glasgow's George Square.
:23:19. > :23:25.Members of the public, activists, civic leaders and sports teams
:23:26. > :23:30.gathered to stand in silence, light candles, and leave flags and
:23:31. > :23:35.flowers. A piper played laments, and those who had come reflected on why
:23:36. > :23:38.they wanted to be here. People go to gay clubs and bars around the city
:23:39. > :23:41.all the time and have a great time at all of these people were doing
:23:42. > :23:47.was trying to have a good time and someone took obviously offence to
:23:48. > :23:51.that and did what they did and so it is a very sad time. I think it shows
:23:52. > :23:55.that we're all standing together and we're not going to give in to fear
:23:56. > :24:03.or hatred or anything like that. Stand together. As the rainbow flag
:24:04. > :24:07.flies at half-mast from city chambers at least 600 people had
:24:08. > :24:13.gathered for a vigil in George Square in memory of 49 people shot
:24:14. > :24:19.dead at a gay nightclub at Orlando in Florida. From some who shared the
:24:20. > :24:23.shooter's Afghan heritage, a keenness to distance themselves from
:24:24. > :24:27.what he did. These were all innocent human beings who are out there to
:24:28. > :24:32.enjoy and have a good time and secondly because this man, the
:24:33. > :24:36.brutal killer, or the murderer, he was an Afghan origin and we are
:24:37. > :24:39.Afghans and we are here to show solidarity, no matter if they are
:24:40. > :24:45.gay or lesbian or transgender or whatever their background are.
:24:46. > :24:50.People often don't realise that low-grade homophobia is happening to
:24:51. > :24:54.all of us, every person who is gay experiences homophobia every day.
:24:55. > :24:58.This kind of terrible event is one of those things that is bringing us
:24:59. > :25:04.out on the streets to say the time has come to challenge that at a high
:25:05. > :25:08.level, at political level, and at a low level, schools and institutions
:25:09. > :25:14.on mosques, wherever homophobia is found it has to be worked on and it
:25:15. > :25:18.has to be changed. The crowd applauded as to police Scotland
:25:19. > :25:22.officers joined leaving tributes. Organisers said today's event was
:25:23. > :25:27.designed to show support for LGBT people around the world and provide
:25:28. > :25:29.an opportunity to mourn with the community. A similar event takes
:25:30. > :25:31.place in Edinburgh on Wednesday. And with me tonight to pick up
:25:32. > :25:34.on that story are two journalists, Marianne Taylor from the Herald,
:25:35. > :25:45.and Keiran Andrews from The Courier. Some quite remarkable scenes in
:25:46. > :25:49.George Square. We have got the police and the Muslim community
:25:50. > :25:54.joining in support of the LGBT community. Yes, it is excellent to
:25:55. > :25:58.see obviously. Everyone would want to join in how else can you respond
:25:59. > :26:02.to something like this other than to want to show that coming together of
:26:03. > :26:09.people. I think there are so many strands really in this story. There
:26:10. > :26:13.is an anti-gay strand and there may or may not be an Islamic
:26:14. > :26:16.fundamentalist strand and mental health strands but the strand that
:26:17. > :26:21.is going through it and goes through all of these incidents is that you
:26:22. > :26:27.are able to buy high-powered weapons in the USA. Anyone is able to go
:26:28. > :26:31.into a and get ammunition, assault rifles, and carry out things like
:26:32. > :26:37.this. This is the one thing that is the same in each of these incidents.
:26:38. > :26:40.We will get on to gun control in just a second and we will pick up on
:26:41. > :26:45.that. Remarkable scenes across the world, what can people do in a way?
:26:46. > :26:50.We have seen similar scenes in London as well. This kind of show of
:26:51. > :26:55.solidarity that you have seen here and across the world today is very
:26:56. > :26:59.important, particularly for the gay community across the world. As we
:27:00. > :27:07.saw there homophobia is not something that has been tackled
:27:08. > :27:12.perhaps as well as other cases of discrimination that we see in public
:27:13. > :27:15.life. It is the one kind of instance of discrimination where there are
:27:16. > :27:20.types of languages and phrases that people can still get away with that
:27:21. > :27:28.still sneak in unchallenged and I think that is incredibly dangerous.
:27:29. > :27:32.It leads to, this is a very extreme example, but it opens the door to
:27:33. > :27:37.that sort of violence and attacks on many levels. I think that is the key
:27:38. > :27:42.message to hear, that is not acceptable in any form whatsoever.
:27:43. > :27:47.Just to pick up on the point about gun control in the United States. A
:27:48. > :27:50.key election issue. Yes, it is. It was interesting to see Hillary
:27:51. > :27:55.Clinton said today that anyone who is being looked at at the FBI maybe
:27:56. > :27:59.they shouldn't be able to go up and buy a gun off the shelf, maybe you
:28:00. > :28:02.should be able to go up and buy a gun the shelf in America, it was
:28:03. > :28:08.something that Barack Obama tried to tackle and he was knocked back, both
:28:09. > :28:11.on his own party had a majority in the house and he had no chance when
:28:12. > :28:16.the Republicans took over after that, but we saw in the aftermath of
:28:17. > :28:20.the Dunblane message here that within a year, there was much
:28:21. > :28:26.tighter controls and tight control and I just do not see that happening
:28:27. > :28:29.in the USA. Barack Obama was on that podium lamenting gun controls in the
:28:30. > :28:32.United States and I think you call them crazy, the way that extremes
:28:33. > :28:37.can get hold of them. The most powerful man in the world and what
:28:38. > :28:43.has been happening? What else can he say? He goes up again and again and
:28:44. > :28:47.again. The National Rifle Association are so influential, so
:28:48. > :28:52.powerful, it's very hard for us in Europe to understand the influence
:28:53. > :28:59.they have in a nation which sees its right, it has a right to own a gun.
:29:00. > :29:04.We find this absolutely astounding that it is in their constitution and
:29:05. > :29:08.their lobbyists are so influential that most people think that's true.
:29:09. > :29:13.We think it's obvious that they have to have some sort of control after
:29:14. > :29:19.incident after incident but what I would also say is that nothing
:29:20. > :29:22.happened after 20 young children being absolutely massacred at a
:29:23. > :29:27.primary school, if nothing happened after that, I can't see anything
:29:28. > :29:31.happening here. Just briefly, Donald Trump argues that people need guns
:29:32. > :29:36.to protect themselves. Of course he does, it's a perverse logic from a
:29:37. > :29:39.perverse man and I can't believe he is a candidate to be President of
:29:40. > :29:43.the United States of America. Just arming more people, all it means is
:29:44. > :29:45.that you escalate the danger and you escalate the violence and if
:29:46. > :29:50.something happens then more people die. Thank you both very much for
:29:51. > :29:52.reflecting that story tonight for us.
:29:53. > :29:55.Shelley's back tomorrow night, usual time.
:29:56. > :30:28.So do please join her then, bye-bye.
:30:29. > :30:34.We could talk about some of these sights I'd like to see.
:30:35. > :30:38.I really want to see Buckingham Palace, Tower Bridge.
:30:39. > :30:42.Oh! Canary Wharf. Oh, and the Houses of Parliament.