:00:00. > :00:00.Scottish Vote Leave accuse the First Minister
:00:00. > :00:07.of "Project McFear" after she warns a Brexit vote could risk
:00:08. > :00:53.You are not a Fishermans friend! The war of words intensifies. And a
:00:54. > :01:07.precious, but often neglected resource. How best to manage
:01:08. > :01:11.Scotland's sees? With just over a week until the EU referendum it is
:01:12. > :01:15.starting to kick off. It was a tale of two chancellors as George Osborne
:01:16. > :01:19.stood side-by-side with Alistair Darling to warn of a black hole in
:01:20. > :01:35.public finances if the UK vote to leave. The First Minister was
:01:36. > :01:40.accused of waging project fear, Nick Eardley is here to help us make
:01:41. > :01:46.sense of the claim and counterclaim. The SNP campaign has tried, so far,
:01:47. > :02:00.to focus on a positive research. Did that change today? It did a bit. We
:02:01. > :02:06.have heard the message time and again so far but today the message
:02:07. > :02:10.from the First Minister was not as positive is in recent weeks, it was
:02:11. > :02:14.a warning of the risks, the potential negatives, here is what
:02:15. > :02:19.she had to say a little earlier. We must be aware of the political
:02:20. > :02:23.consequences. What happens the day after a vote to leave? I don't want
:02:24. > :02:27.to see the right wing of the Conservative Party have even more
:02:28. > :02:29.ability to cut spending, damage the rights of workers, and pursue
:02:30. > :02:34.policies which are wrong for Scotland.
:02:35. > :02:39.That message has led some to say the SNP are now embracing the tactics
:02:40. > :02:44.they were so critical of during the independence referendum. Jim Sills,
:02:45. > :02:47.their former deputy leader, in favour of leaving the EU, said the
:02:48. > :02:56.First Minister was now using the tactics she deplored in 2014.
:02:57. > :03:04.Accusing her of waging her own project fear, a direct quote from
:03:05. > :03:10.the term the SNP used time and again a couple of years ago to criticise
:03:11. > :03:15.the campaign tactics of the No camp. Michael Gove said he would not
:03:16. > :03:21.support the plans for an emergency budget if there was a vote to leave.
:03:22. > :03:25.Could the Chancellor find himself out of a job in the event of a
:03:26. > :03:35.Brexit? This is the UK wide version of what
:03:36. > :03:38.is being called the project fear, I think George Osborne wanted to get
:03:39. > :03:45.the subject back onto the economy, saying Brexit would lead to raised
:03:46. > :03:50.taxes and cut public spending. That provoked a furious reaction from
:03:51. > :03:54.many Conservative act ventures. Over 60 signed a letter saying they would
:03:55. > :04:01.not support the Chancellor doing so. Tonight, Michael Gove, on a Question
:04:02. > :04:04.Time special, becoming the most senior Conservatives so far to say
:04:05. > :04:11.he would not act the measures. Here is more of what he had to say.
:04:12. > :04:14.A vote to leave would put us in an economically stronger position,
:04:15. > :04:19.taking back money from the European Union to invest in our priorities.
:04:20. > :04:23.More than that we can begin negotiating new trade deals with
:04:24. > :04:27.other countries like India, China, Japan, creating hundreds of
:04:28. > :04:31.thousands of jobs in this country. He went on to say that he would
:04:32. > :04:37.continue to back David Cameron as Prime Minister if there is a Leave
:04:38. > :04:41.vote but dodged the question of whether the Chancellor could
:04:42. > :04:50.continue in his post in the event of a Leave vote next week. The fact you
:04:51. > :04:55.have over 60 Conservative MPs saying his position would be untenable if
:04:56. > :04:58.he tries to bring in a Brexit budget means the question will linger, a
:04:59. > :05:04.reminder of how deep divisions within the Conservative Party are.
:05:05. > :05:07.Most of Scotland's main parties will appear together in a rally in
:05:08. > :05:14.Edinburgh tomorrow. How significant is that?
:05:15. > :05:18.It is significant seen the SNP, Conservatives, Labour, Liberal
:05:19. > :05:22.Democrat, all together for a remain vote, in many ways a hangover from
:05:23. > :05:27.the independence vote, Scotland's political parties can be quite
:05:28. > :05:34.reluctant to make items together, so it will be interesting to see that.
:05:35. > :05:40.The Leave site will also try to appeal to Scott, the chair of their
:05:41. > :05:44.campaign will be in Glasgow. -- appealing to Scots.
:05:45. > :05:57.Thank you very much. Immigration came up time and again
:05:58. > :06:01.on Question Time with polls suggesting it is the key factor
:06:02. > :06:05.south of the border, where voters are apparently keen on leaving the
:06:06. > :06:08.EU than voters in Scotland. We visited one part of the Midlands
:06:09. > :06:15.that retains a Scottish influence, to find out more.
:06:16. > :06:20.If you look and listen carefully, the Scottish influence is clear. But
:06:21. > :06:27.with the day approaching, how does the experience of Corby with the EU
:06:28. > :06:31.referendum compare? In the local theatre they are exploring it on
:06:32. > :06:35.stage. It is a very diverse town, with lots
:06:36. > :06:40.of people who have come from other places to help the town grow, it may
:06:41. > :06:46.be that it has a particular kind of insight into the EU debate that you
:06:47. > :06:56.may not get in other places, but certainly they are very energised
:06:57. > :07:02.about it here in Corby. Decades ago Corby's steel industry was a magnet
:07:03. > :07:06.for Scots looking for work, it is all but gone but the legacy lives on
:07:07. > :07:10.in places like the Grampian club, with regulars drink and debate
:07:11. > :07:15.topics like EU membership. We should not have been in it in the
:07:16. > :07:21.first place. The rest of Europe thinks we are a cash cow.
:07:22. > :07:27.Personally I am in. We have made our bed, we have to rely on it.
:07:28. > :07:30.Speak to people about the EU referendum and very quickly the
:07:31. > :07:36.conversation turns to immigration. Andrew is came here from
:07:37. > :07:42.Stirlingshire in the 1960s, and says it is an important interview.
:07:43. > :07:46.They are coming in their thousands and when we go to the town centre
:07:47. > :07:50.that we hear more eastern European voices than English voices. It is
:07:51. > :07:54.widespread. Eileen is a member of the same
:07:55. > :07:59.Church of Scotland congregation, but takes a very different view.
:08:00. > :08:05.You have got to remember that if it was not for economic migrants, there
:08:06. > :08:10.would be no Corby, because it was built and economic migrants. People
:08:11. > :08:16.have got short memories. Back in the town centre the priority
:08:17. > :08:19.for this trip is as Miss. Scotland is an important market. The owner is
:08:20. > :08:26.mindful of the possible Scottish dimension to the EU result.
:08:27. > :08:30.If the second referendum comes, if Britain decides to leave the EU,
:08:31. > :08:35.then I personally think that businesses in Corby that deal with
:08:36. > :08:44.Scotland will definitely sit up and listen.
:08:45. > :08:48.For a couple of hours this afternoon Leave supporters were leafleting, a
:08:49. > :08:52.rare splash of colour for a campaign that, to the visiting eye, does not
:08:53. > :08:56.seem to visible. As it gets closer do you run up
:08:57. > :09:00.activity? Yes, we want as many members,
:09:01. > :09:10.supporters as we can, to get into the operation.
:09:11. > :09:18.The people of Corby already voted to leave in an unofficial vote less
:09:19. > :09:21.chair, the Remain campaign criticised it as nothing more than
:09:22. > :09:26.an attempt to grab headlines. They say there is still all to play for.
:09:27. > :09:29.We need to have as many conversations as return on the
:09:30. > :09:38.doorsteps and really persuade undecided to come out vote. It will
:09:39. > :09:39.not be long until the Corby voice, with a distinctive Scottish twine,
:09:40. > :09:40.is heard for real. The Scottish Government says
:09:41. > :09:43.its committed to reducing the number Cornton Vale is to close and today
:09:44. > :09:47.the government announced an extra ?4 million to be spent on community
:09:48. > :09:50.sentencing for all offenders. But how much impact will that have
:09:51. > :09:53.unless sheriffs and judges use community options
:09:54. > :09:57.for women more often? A BBC Scotland investigation has
:09:58. > :09:59.found that a woman's chances of serving a jail sentence very much
:10:00. > :10:16.depend on where she lives. There were around 3000 e-mail
:10:17. > :10:21.admissions to Scottish prisons last year. Almost two thirds of those
:10:22. > :10:28.were for and, women waiting to be tried or sentenced -- female
:10:29. > :10:34.admissions. Even was one. I moved, got myself a job, it was a
:10:35. > :10:38.responsible job, I was ranking money, and a judge still reminded
:10:39. > :10:44.me. Put my life right back to square one. She ended up in a cycle of the
:10:45. > :10:48.offending and imprisonment. Sometimes spending months on remand
:10:49. > :10:53.before being released again. Every year, for everyone who sent to
:10:54. > :10:59.prison on a sentence on remand, there's a huge number, the vast
:11:00. > :11:02.majority of end up of a custodial sentence, and yet their lives have
:11:03. > :11:05.been disrupted, sometimes losing custody of their children, their
:11:06. > :11:10.tenancies, at huge cost to the public purse. But the chance of
:11:11. > :11:18.being given a custodial sentence varies widely depending on what part
:11:19. > :11:22.of the country are from. In Edinburgh, more than 1000 woman
:11:23. > :11:28.appeared in court for sentencing, just 80 of them, 7.4%, were jailed.
:11:29. > :11:37.Paired Stirling, where Sheriff still a few offenders, but at 21%, women
:11:38. > :11:42.were almost three times more likely to be imprisoned. In Glasgow, the
:11:43. > :11:46.rate was just over 50%. Now serving Sheriff was allowed to speak to the
:11:47. > :11:49.BBC because of judicial independence. But several spoke of
:11:50. > :11:56.the record about the lack of alternative options available to
:11:57. > :11:59.them. Every judge is his own person. Or her own person. We all have
:12:00. > :12:04.different ways of doing things, different views. They are all
:12:05. > :12:07.independent. They have local knowledge, they know the person,
:12:08. > :12:11.they have full information, they do with it to the best of their
:12:12. > :12:16.ability. In his view most sheriffs see it as a failure to send an
:12:17. > :12:19.offender to prison. The most difficult decision that a
:12:20. > :12:25.sheriff normally has to make this the one which is on balance between
:12:26. > :12:29.prison or not imprisoned. Where there is an alternative, and if it
:12:30. > :12:33.means receiving public criticism, that is part of the job.
:12:34. > :12:37.I accept there are times when sheriffs feel as if there are no
:12:38. > :12:41.alternatives. But I don't accept that is always the case. I believe
:12:42. > :12:46.there are times when sheriffs could make other decisions where they
:12:47. > :12:50.think someone should actually go to to meet their needs. But it is for
:12:51. > :12:54.sheriffs to make the decisions. What I need to do is make sure that we
:12:55. > :12:59.are trying to make the system work collectively together best we can to
:13:00. > :13:04.achieve the best outcomes. We are here to address the root
:13:05. > :13:09.cause of offending... Outcomes like the one achieved at this project in
:13:10. > :13:13.Glasgow. Group therapy classes force women to confront their offending
:13:14. > :13:19.behaviour, and the issues behind it. Lindsay is a serial shoplifter. I
:13:20. > :13:25.have been in and out of prison for 33 years. I was given sentence after
:13:26. > :13:36.sentence. I heard about this project in the prison cell. It is the first
:13:37. > :13:42.time I have ever been of -- off drugs, ever looked at why I
:13:43. > :13:43.offended. Reformers are already convinced by these non-custodial
:13:44. > :13:53.sentences. This may persuade others. The cost is in excess of ?33,000 per
:13:54. > :14:03.year. More than it costs sending somebody to Eton. Where is the
:14:04. > :14:09.priority? We are spending ten times as much as imprisonment per person
:14:10. > :14:13.as we spend on community justice. The justice minister said there has
:14:14. > :14:16.already been a gradual shift to prison money into local projects.
:14:17. > :14:22.Critics say they will never become credible alternatives to prison if
:14:23. > :14:24.they're not enough of them. -- there are.
:14:25. > :14:27.And joining me in the studio is the law lecturer
:14:28. > :14:38.We see a postcode lottery in the film in sentencing for women. How
:14:39. > :14:42.can it be a Glasgow woman is twice as likely to be sent to jail as one
:14:43. > :14:48.in Edinburgh? There are a lot of factors at play. Sentencing is a
:14:49. > :14:52.human activity. The judge is a human being with their own hang-ups,
:14:53. > :14:55.preoccupations, judgments and punishments that they impose. Some
:14:56. > :15:02.people will not want to control that entirely. Your films showed a range
:15:03. > :15:05.of availability in terms of community sentences, leaving judges
:15:06. > :15:10.feeling they have no alternative but to send people to prison. In
:15:11. > :15:12.Scottish law that is the test. They are instructed by law to consider
:15:13. > :15:18.every other alternative before sending someone to jail. We heard
:15:19. > :15:22.some sheriffs said away from the record there was a lack of
:15:23. > :15:25.alternatives available. How much do you think that is the problem or
:15:26. > :15:30.simply some sheriffs are more keen than others in sending women to
:15:31. > :15:33.jail? It is that human factor, difficult to control. There are some
:15:34. > :15:38.innovations which can hopefully challenge and try and make it more
:15:39. > :15:42.predictable. The government has created a sentencing council to try
:15:43. > :15:46.and create more regularity in sentencing and guidelines for court.
:15:47. > :15:50.Judges will think about factors, treating the same case in the same
:15:51. > :15:55.way. There is always going to be a limit to how much we control these
:15:56. > :15:59.things because of the human element. The government also pledged next ?4
:16:00. > :16:06.million for community sentencing for men and women. Will that make a big
:16:07. > :16:09.impact? Some impact. They need to make impact in terms of community
:16:10. > :16:13.sentencing. The wider policy framework is the Scottish garment
:16:14. > :16:17.would like to take us from the rates of incarceration. Nobody notices but
:16:18. > :16:22.the number in prison has increased by 20% since devolution. Every given
:16:23. > :16:27.day 8000 people are imprisoned in Scotland and the number of women has
:16:28. > :16:31.increased in Scotland by about 100% since devolution. It is one of the
:16:32. > :16:35.unspoken aspects of policy in Scotland. The government should be
:16:36. > :16:38.credited for trying to make investment and make policy
:16:39. > :16:43.interventions which will try and make a difference in terms of bad.
:16:44. > :16:48.They are closing quantum bail. There are going to be fewer places for
:16:49. > :16:51.women. If there are not enough community alternatives is there a
:16:52. > :16:56.danger that the Dharma line we see overcrowding and other problems? We
:16:57. > :17:01.will see what is happening in terms of community sentences and it could
:17:02. > :17:04.not have credibility. If this is going to be credible and the public
:17:05. > :17:09.are to be persuaded it is a better use of money and resources, that it
:17:10. > :17:13.is better for people and communities not to send so many women and men to
:17:14. > :17:18.prison, the community sentences have to work and they have to be invested
:17:19. > :17:22.in. A professor at Strathclyde University said in your package it
:17:23. > :17:28.cost over ?30,000 per year to send somebody to prison. It is a vast
:17:29. > :17:32.amount of money. Where is it smart to put money in terms of outcomes
:17:33. > :17:36.and to get a good result for communities? That is something many
:17:37. > :17:40.people might look at sceptically. They might think prison works but it
:17:41. > :17:43.does not. It is for the Scottish government to persuade Parliament
:17:44. > :17:47.and the wider community that this is a viable way of dealing with these
:17:48. > :17:53.social problems. At the moment there is a presumption on short sentences
:17:54. > :17:57.of under three months. Is that likely to be pushed further? The
:17:58. > :18:04.Scottish garment has been consulting on extending presumption against one
:18:05. > :18:10.year. That might be controversial. It is bound to be. It will drive the
:18:11. > :18:17.tabloids bananas. Ruth Davidson and her liberal Conservative party will
:18:18. > :18:20.go mad and they are likely to want to resist that strongly. The
:18:21. > :18:23.argument the Scottish government has in its favour is prison does not
:18:24. > :18:28.work, short sentences do not work. It does not stop offending and
:18:29. > :18:33.address underlying problems which are social in the prison system,
:18:34. > :18:37.mental health, drug abuse, alcoholism, like literacy and lack
:18:38. > :18:41.of bringing people into the community. I think community
:18:42. > :18:46.sentences are be any way to address it directly. Prison never can. We
:18:47. > :18:49.must leave it there, Andrew. Thank you.
:18:50. > :18:51.And you can see that programme, Women Prisoners: Throw Away the Key?
:18:52. > :18:58.Presented by Helena Kennedy QC, on BBC iplayer.
:18:59. > :19:04.Scotland has been praised for world leading aspirations to manage the
:19:05. > :19:08.seas sustained play. Making it work in practice means reconciling the
:19:09. > :19:12.different demands of the fishing industry, and conservationists and
:19:13. > :19:13.the priorities of renewable energy and ecotourism. Here is our
:19:14. > :19:32.correspondent. It can be beautiful. It can be
:19:33. > :19:41.brutal. It can be bountiful. But what do you think of when you think
:19:42. > :19:52.about the sea? Holiday. When I see the sea. Full of fish. Big, blue,
:19:53. > :20:01.smooth surface. Very nice. It is a nice smell. Fishing and stuff. And
:20:02. > :20:04.beaches. What happens at sea can also be profoundly political. If you
:20:05. > :20:09.doubt that, look at the Scott fishing boats sailing today up the
:20:10. > :20:15.Thames backing the campaign to leave the EU. But hide the European
:20:16. > :20:23.Referendum, much deeper questions about how we view the sea. -- but
:20:24. > :20:28.behind. There are maybe three main and sometimes competing priorities.
:20:29. > :20:32.You can look at the sea as a nature reserve, to protect and preserve.
:20:33. > :20:39.You can see it as a resource to harvest and exploit. You might think
:20:40. > :20:43.of it as a playpark to enjoy. A conference today in Dundee is
:20:44. > :20:50.discussing how we sustainably develop Scottish seas. How we
:20:51. > :20:52.balance the different interests. We had to realise how important the
:20:53. > :20:59.marine environment is full Scotland. It is fundamentally important.
:21:00. > :21:04.Because it gives us a lot of oxygen. 40% of the oxygen we breathe is
:21:05. > :21:07.produced by the sea. It detects -- dictate climate. We get a lot of
:21:08. > :21:14.lovely fish out of the sea. If you are using that, it will have an
:21:15. > :21:19.impact. We cannot manage the environment, only human activity in
:21:20. > :21:22.the environment. Highland Council has spent four years putting
:21:23. > :21:27.together a marine plan for the north coast of Caithness and Sutherland,
:21:28. > :21:32.designed as a model before statutory plans rolled out for 11 regions
:21:33. > :21:35.across Scotland. We sat in with a blank piece of paper. That is how
:21:36. > :21:41.much we knew about the area for marine planning. Four years later we
:21:42. > :21:45.have a plan combining a host of information about tourism, leisure
:21:46. > :21:51.and recreation, or oil and gas, culture, all the different things in
:21:52. > :21:54.a Marine environment. Some people taking part in the conference incest
:21:55. > :22:00.conservation, based on the scientific evidence, must come first
:22:01. > :22:04.in the way we use the sea is to be truly sustainable. -- if the way we
:22:05. > :22:09.use. We need a healthy environment to continue to benefit from the
:22:10. > :22:15.Scottish seas. We cannot risk jeopardising that by putting
:22:16. > :22:20.development in the wrong places. In the hollow Scotland we have massive
:22:21. > :22:24.areas of Scottish seas. It is a big resource. There is room for all of
:22:25. > :22:29.those. It is about finding out the most suitable areas and locating the
:22:30. > :22:32.activities in those places. Conservationists in the industry
:22:33. > :22:36.have not always agreed on how to manage the marine environment. Maybe
:22:37. > :22:40.they have more in common than is sometimes realise. A good example of
:22:41. > :22:46.collaboration which we can bring from Shetland, for example, if they
:22:47. > :22:51.are thinking of going this way, is the protected area that was recently
:22:52. > :22:57.agreed in fair Isle. This initiative came from the community over there.
:22:58. > :23:00.The fishing industry came on board and together the community and the
:23:01. > :23:04.fishing industry came together for a mutually acceptable marine protected
:23:05. > :23:11.area, with all sides satisfied. Does the industry get enough credit. Like
:23:12. > :23:14.that? Not at all. We agreed would wildly with issues and a lot of
:23:15. > :23:16.fishermen will say they are the real consternation -- conservationists.
:23:17. > :23:26.-- we agreed remarkably. If the sea really is as important as
:23:27. > :23:29.some claim, Scotland needs to get the marine banning policy right. --
:23:30. > :23:33.planning policy. Here with me now to discuss some
:23:34. > :23:36.of the days top stories are Jennifer McKiernan,
:23:37. > :23:37.Political reporter with the Aberdeen Evening Express
:23:38. > :23:49.and David Clegg, Political Editor Welcome both of you. Eight days
:23:50. > :23:55.until the Referendum. They have upped the anti-on both sides, David.
:23:56. > :23:58.I think we can clearly see the Remain camp are split by the polls
:23:59. > :24:02.they have seen. Remember that period in the Scottish independence
:24:03. > :24:09.Referendum where one put Yes ahead and everything went crazy. They were
:24:10. > :24:15.concerned about what was happening, and politicians were making all
:24:16. > :24:19.kinds of claims. I think we are in the same position at this point.
:24:20. > :24:26.There has been a series of polls showing the Remain side, the Vote
:24:27. > :24:29.Leave side could be winning. That is maybe not expected and they are not
:24:30. > :24:34.sure if the tactics are working, and how they should change them. Voters
:24:35. > :24:39.might have had a sense of deja vu with a Tory Chancellor standing with
:24:40. > :24:44.his Labour predecessor, talking about a financial black hole. We
:24:45. > :24:49.have seen a lot of economic claims and counterclaims. I am not sure if
:24:50. > :24:54.much of this is getting through to the voters. I think that we can see
:24:55. > :24:59.a shift in the campaigns on both sides. It is interesting Michael
:25:00. > :25:02.Gove is talking about workers' rights, that they have been trying
:25:03. > :25:07.to talk about protection for the NHS. Shifting away from the more
:25:08. > :25:13.conservative values you might have expected, at the start of the
:25:14. > :25:16.campaign. Tory backbench MPs are furious at the George Osborne
:25:17. > :25:24.so-called punishment budget. It looks like there might be a clue
:25:25. > :25:27.shaping up. He is talking about this emergency Brexit budget but he does
:25:28. > :25:30.not have the Tory numbers to get that through. It is unlikely he
:25:31. > :25:35.would hold onto the position of Chancellor in the event of a vote to
:25:36. > :25:40.leave the European Union. You wonder how these claims can be made
:25:41. > :25:45.credible. There is quite an important problem which is occurring
:25:46. > :25:50.in that Remain strategy. To use the Scottish example, they talk about
:25:51. > :25:55.the pound, who has it and that was a very obvious and physical concept
:25:56. > :26:00.which you could ram home to people. It is more hypothetical. The
:26:01. > :26:03.European Union is a more distant concept. They are finding it more
:26:04. > :26:08.difficult to make it seem credible that these very significant problems
:26:09. > :26:14.could occur so dramatically if people vote to leave. Moving on, Sir
:26:15. > :26:18.Philip Green finally apologised for the collapse of BHS today in a fiery
:26:19. > :26:24.Parliamentary hearing where he clashed with several MPs. It did not
:26:25. > :26:27.need to be like this. I want to apologise to all the BHS people
:26:28. > :26:32.involved in this and I hope by the end of the morning, they will hear
:26:33. > :26:35.everything and we can find some sensible solutions to some of the
:26:36. > :26:40.issues. Would you mind not looking at me like that all the time? It is
:26:41. > :26:44.really disturbing. Sorry question might you just want to stare at me.
:26:45. > :26:51.It is uncomfortable. Did the board consider the reputation and risk of
:26:52. > :26:58.selling to Joe Powell? Did we go out of our way to find somebody that in
:26:59. > :27:05.this case, this Chappell, to find somebody that ended up where we
:27:06. > :27:09.ended up watching Mark --? I think three hours in or however long it
:27:10. > :27:15.is, three and a half hours, you can accept that was not the case, OK?
:27:16. > :27:21.What did you make of Sir Philip's performance? I love it when people
:27:22. > :27:26.get rattled like that. It shows you are getting through. When people are
:27:27. > :27:29.not necessarily telling the truth they can sometimes get more and more
:27:30. > :27:35.angry and politicians manage to get under the skin of the witness. Are
:27:36. > :27:41.they becoming more effective at getting under the skin? From what I
:27:42. > :27:44.can see, yes! It was quite an amazing performance. He started by
:27:45. > :27:48.apologising but he did not really say what he was apologising for. He
:27:49. > :27:51.said he was not responsible for anything that happened and then he
:27:52. > :27:55.seemed to do an impression of Robert De Niro in taxi driver with one of
:27:56. > :28:01.the MPs questioning him. Staggering performance. And another one not
:28:02. > :28:06.known for being shy and retiring, Donald Trump. He said he would like
:28:07. > :28:11.people on Terror watch lists to be prevented from buying firearms in
:28:12. > :28:13.the wake of the Orlando shootings. He said he will speak to the
:28:14. > :28:18.National Rifle Association to discuss the issue. Until now he has
:28:19. > :28:24.been a strong supporter of firearm rights. He has been endorsed by the
:28:25. > :28:32.NRA. Is this significant Western it is a small but significant step. --?
:28:33. > :28:35.It is a small but significant step. People are standing up again and
:28:36. > :28:39.again calling for more gun controls and it is wonderful to see him stand
:28:40. > :28:43.up and call for some controls, but it does not go anywhere near far
:28:44. > :28:48.enough. I think is going down the wrong line. If you insist they are
:28:49. > :28:53.only for terrorists, I think that he has got a lot further to go. One of
:28:54. > :28:59.his critics has said on Twitter that he has caved when defending the
:29:00. > :29:05.second amendment. Might this impact on his chances? I hope his chances
:29:06. > :29:09.are not great as it is. I think the whole situation is farcical. In an
:29:10. > :29:15.ABC interview in December he did not seem to know that people on the
:29:16. > :29:19.terror watch list are not restricted and he is now suggesting they could
:29:20. > :29:23.be. We are having a discussion about whether it is a significant move
:29:24. > :29:27.suggesting that Abel suspected of terror should not be allowed to buy
:29:28. > :29:30.assault weapons. It tells us everything we need to know about how
:29:31. > :29:39.broken the debate has become. Any sign that the US moved on guns is
:29:40. > :29:43.changing? Not that I can see. There is a sign that some Republicans
:29:44. > :29:44.could be moving their position. Especially if Donald Trump is the
:29:45. > :29:48.candidate. That could happen. I'm back again tomorrow
:29:49. > :30:43.night, usual time. We're in Leicester tonight -
:30:44. > :30:47.a city united in pride