:00:00. > :00:00.With just days to go till the referendum,
:00:00. > :00:07.claim and counter claim on what would happen
:00:08. > :00:29.if England votes to leave, but Scotland votes to remain?
:00:30. > :00:34.In a heated TV debate, deeply divided opinion
:00:35. > :00:37.on whether a Scottish vote to stay would lead to a second
:00:38. > :00:44.Out on the campaign trail, the health service
:00:45. > :00:50.Would a Remain vote benefit the NHS or cost it millions?
:00:51. > :00:53.And missing from the green benches, but her memory lives on.
:00:54. > :01:10.We're in the final countdown to the vote that will decide
:01:11. > :01:13.whether we stay or whether we go from the European Union.
:01:14. > :01:16.We've heard a lot in recent weeks from south of the border
:01:17. > :01:19.about the issues that matter, but tonight, for the first time,
:01:20. > :01:23.there was a live TV debate here in Scotland.
:01:24. > :01:25.And yes, the big issues of immigration and the economy
:01:26. > :01:30.But there was also an opportunity to discuss what might happen
:01:31. > :01:32.in the event that Scotland votes to Remain and England
:01:33. > :01:44.Listening to it all was our very own Nick Eardly.
:01:45. > :01:58.Hello. We heard Kezia Dugdale and Joanna Chery united on the case for
:01:59. > :02:03.Remain but when it came to the question of a second independence
:02:04. > :02:06.referendum, opposing views? It has been an interesting characteristic
:02:07. > :02:12.of the campaign especially in Scotland but more widely across the
:02:13. > :02:17.UK at certain times. The people are on the same side, but disagree
:02:18. > :02:20.fundamentally on aspects of what their case actually means. Tonight
:02:21. > :02:27.it was what would happen if the UK as a whole votes to leave but
:02:28. > :02:31.Scotland votes to remain? Castor mind back to the Scottish election,
:02:32. > :02:35.we saw the interview from Kezia Dugdale were she said she might
:02:36. > :02:41.consider her opposition to Scottish independence if there was a vote to
:02:42. > :02:45.leave the EU against Scotland's well. Tonight however she was not as
:02:46. > :02:51.ambiguous, she has clearly made up her mind and here is what she had to
:02:52. > :02:55.say. I believe very strongly, just as I did during the independence
:02:56. > :03:00.referendum that Scotland's future is better in the UK and especially if
:03:01. > :03:03.we were to leave the EU and I do hope that we do not, that
:03:04. > :03:09.relationship becomes even more important and I will be even more
:03:10. > :03:15.drawn to campaigning to remain in the UK. Unsurprisingly, Joanna Chery
:03:16. > :03:20.disagreed and she said her party had said that it would be a change in
:03:21. > :03:25.circumstance, but she also was asked about whether or not the currency
:03:26. > :03:30.question would have to be revisited, whether or not Scotland if they
:03:31. > :03:35.wanted to stay in the EU but outside the UK, would have to change its
:03:36. > :03:40.mind on whether it used the pound or the euro and here is what she had to
:03:41. > :03:45.say. It is simply ridiculous to think that an independent Scotland
:03:46. > :03:53.would not be welcome in the European Union. We would have to look at the
:03:54. > :03:58.situation. You cannot expect me to make a decision about that now. We
:03:59. > :04:02.are about to make a major decision. We would need to look at the
:04:03. > :04:10.economic conditions. We might not want to be tied to the pound if it
:04:11. > :04:14.nosedives after a Brexit. Perhaps not all SNP politicians would
:04:15. > :04:19.support keeping the pound, the currency argument that was used in
:04:20. > :04:25.2014. There was also the former Deputy Leader of the SNP, someone
:04:26. > :04:28.who wants to leave the EU arguing that the case he has made all his
:04:29. > :04:34.life, for Scottish independence, there is no guarantee that it would
:04:35. > :04:38.come about because there is no commitment to it in the SNP
:04:39. > :04:42.manifesto. He basically said that the mandate is not there and will
:04:43. > :04:50.not be there until at least 2021 and only then if the SNP win a majority.
:04:51. > :04:52.Inevitably the economy and immigration both featured
:04:53. > :04:54.heavily in the debate...again former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars
:04:55. > :04:56.and Conservative Lord Forsyth on the same side for Leave
:04:57. > :04:59.but taking a different position from others who want a Brexit?
:05:00. > :05:04.Yes. The key thing that Jim Sellers and Lord Forsyth wanted to do was do
:05:05. > :05:12.what they number of people have tried to do on believe side, they
:05:13. > :05:20.wanted to distance themselves, from Nigel France, specifically distance
:05:21. > :05:25.themselves from that controversial Breaking Point poster. Let us listen
:05:26. > :05:30.to what they had to say -- Nigel Farage. I thought it was
:05:31. > :05:34.particularly stupid, it confused to things, refugees and economic
:05:35. > :05:39.migrants. I would like to see us being able to do more on refugees
:05:40. > :05:44.and that means being able to control the numbers coming into our country
:05:45. > :05:48.which we need to do if we leave the European Union. People have
:05:49. > :05:52.different reasons for wanting to leave, we are not all Nigel Farage,
:05:53. > :06:04.Levy tell you. APPLAUSE. And I think, if the Leave
:06:05. > :06:08.side loses on Thursday, he will be primarily responsible for the
:06:09. > :06:13.disgraceful way he has conducted the argument on immigration. Lord
:06:14. > :06:19.Forsyth also said in the debate tonight that he is pro-immigration,
:06:20. > :06:23.he wants to see the UK taking more refugees but he argued that it would
:06:24. > :06:27.only be by controlling what you do in the EU that you could balance
:06:28. > :06:33.that out and allow more immigrants from outside the EU and more
:06:34. > :06:37.refugees in the long term. For the Remain side, both Kezia Dugdale and
:06:38. > :06:41.Joanne Cherry arguing that immigration is good for Scotland and
:06:42. > :06:46.that in some parts of Scotland, you need more people, so immigration
:06:47. > :06:50.might not be a bad thing. One thing that Vote Leave have picked up one
:06:51. > :06:55.is Kezia Dugdale being asked whether not she agreed with Jeremy Corbyn
:06:56. > :06:59.that there could be an upper cap on immigration as long as the UK was in
:07:00. > :07:01.the EU and she said she did agree and I expect you will hear more of
:07:02. > :07:07.that in the coming days. Thank you. Well, out on the campaign
:07:08. > :07:09.trail both sides stepped up their efforts to win over those
:07:10. > :07:12.who are still undecided how The First Minister told nurses that
:07:13. > :07:16.leaving the EU would end up But UKIP's Scottish leader said
:07:17. > :07:19.Nicola Sturgeon couldn't be trusted. Here's our political
:07:20. > :07:31.editor Brian Taylor. Tried yet true, this referendum
:07:32. > :07:36.really matters and so it has divided opinion across Scotland and the UK,
:07:37. > :07:39.although perhaps in different silos. Nicola Sturgeon. The referendum is
:07:40. > :07:44.dominant and so addressing the Royal College of Nursing congress in
:07:45. > :07:48.Glasgow, the First Minister took care to make own position playing. I
:07:49. > :07:53.will be voting to remain in the EU on Thursday and I hope others will
:07:54. > :07:58.do so as well. She told the nurses that British exit would damage the
:07:59. > :08:02.NHS as economic decline would result in spending cuts and she her case. I
:08:03. > :08:07.think it is still looking clothes across the UK which is why it is
:08:08. > :08:12.important that everyone who wants to remain part of the world's biggest
:08:13. > :08:16.thing, it am protect our own freedom of travel, to protect the rights of
:08:17. > :08:19.workers and to protect the notion that independent contraries of the
:08:20. > :08:26.modern world come together to work together for the greater good, that
:08:27. > :08:31.is important to vote Remain. In Edinburgh, Leave supporters seek
:08:32. > :08:37.backing from the public. Give us that wink. Ever obliging, David
:08:38. > :08:42.Cockburn follows photographic advice and says that Nicola Sturgeon cannot
:08:43. > :08:47.be trusted on the NHS as her own record is poor. For him this
:08:48. > :08:51.referendum is about choice and about the UK regaining control. My message
:08:52. > :08:56.is vote to leave the European Union, it is in the interest of Scotland,
:08:57. > :09:00.we get our fishing limits back, decides who runs our country, not
:09:01. > :09:07.run by an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels but by our own Parliament
:09:08. > :09:11.in Hollywood. In Westminster as well, make sure that we make our own
:09:12. > :09:14.decisions and we can throw people out once every five years. There has
:09:15. > :09:19.been talk that Scotland could be driven from the EU against the
:09:20. > :09:25.wishes of the people, how about the other way around? Is a possible that
:09:26. > :09:30.Scotland could the England? It looks like it is a close run thing, that
:09:31. > :09:35.is why our message is to make sure you exercise your vote. I hope that
:09:36. > :09:38.scenario does not arise, just as I hope that the scenario of Scotland
:09:39. > :09:43.being taken out against her will does not arise. Then there is
:09:44. > :09:48.Baroness Warsi, she has switched from Leave to Remain accusing Ukip
:09:49. > :09:55.of peddling hate with its Breaking Point poster. David Cockburn asks
:09:56. > :09:59.who she is? She does not seem to like the ballot box, she seems to
:10:00. > :10:07.levitate without any reference to a ballot box. I heard she had left the
:10:08. > :10:11.Spice Girls. Snubbing spice said she was never in the Spice Girls in the
:10:12. > :10:17.first place. Who am I to say? He is entitled to say and so are they all,
:10:18. > :10:19.primarily so are you, the voters, this Thursday.
:10:20. > :10:21.So with just three full days of campaigning left,
:10:22. > :10:23.is the likely result still too close to call?
:10:24. > :10:26.As ever, Professor John Curtice has been crunching the latest
:10:27. > :10:32.numbers and joins me now from our London studio.
:10:33. > :10:39.Hello, John. Two new polls out, is still too close to call? If you
:10:40. > :10:43.believe those opinion polls it certainly is. We have one poll from
:10:44. > :10:49.you got done over the internet which last Sunday put Remain slightly
:10:50. > :10:55.ahead and now they put Leave slightly ahead by just two points.
:10:56. > :11:00.Meanwhile we have another phone poll for the Telegraph, that and months
:11:01. > :11:06.all responders, the figures that the pollsters prefer to quote, that just
:11:07. > :11:10.has the Remain side two points ahead. Given that phone polls
:11:11. > :11:16.usually get better figures for Remain, that two point lead looks a
:11:17. > :11:20.bit too narrow and fragile for the comfort of David Cameron. The
:11:21. > :11:24.average of the two, 50-50, that is pretty much what the polls were
:11:25. > :11:29.saying at the weekend. In fairness to the Remain side, things do not
:11:30. > :11:35.look quite so bad as they did last time last week, when we had a whole
:11:36. > :11:39.slew of polls, even telephone polls suggesting that Leave had pulled
:11:40. > :11:45.ahead and that seems to have moved back, but some of the more
:11:46. > :11:48.optimistic interpretations remain, especially the polls at the weekend
:11:49. > :11:53.that the public were moving back towards Remain, that the fear of the
:11:54. > :11:58.status quo is kicking in and maybe what ever affect the murder of Joel
:11:59. > :12:02.Cox had, this has boosted Remain. It does not seem to have gone any
:12:03. > :12:08.further. If the polls are to be believed, it looks as though it
:12:09. > :12:12.could be tight -- Jo Cox. Scotland stronger than Europe could see that
:12:13. > :12:17.Scots could swing the vote towards Remain, is that backed up by the
:12:18. > :12:23.polls? If we are looking at the UK wide result, that is conceivably
:12:24. > :12:28.close to 50 slash 50, certainly Remain might win with them no more
:12:29. > :12:32.than 52% of the vote, we are in the territory where it is quite possible
:12:33. > :12:38.that a majority of people in England would have voted to leave, maybe
:12:39. > :12:41.also in Wales, but that the UK as a whole not will vote to stay because
:12:42. > :12:46.Scotland probably together with Northern Ireland, have voted to
:12:47. > :12:52.remain. If the polls are right, in that territory where that outcome is
:12:53. > :12:56.certainly a possibility. What other -- what other polls telling us
:12:57. > :13:02.between the difference of how young people might vote and older people?
:13:03. > :13:05.One of the persistent differences in this referendum, younger people wish
:13:06. > :13:10.to remain for the most part, old people wish to leave. There is
:13:11. > :13:14.another big division, graduates wished to remain, people with little
:13:15. > :13:17.educational qualifications wish to leave. This is not just about
:13:18. > :13:22.whether or not we want to remain part of an intergovernmental
:13:23. > :13:25.government called the European Union, it is playing at a major
:13:26. > :13:30.still sold division and for the most part on the one hand,
:13:31. > :13:34.stereotypically young graduates, the kind of people who are comfortable
:13:35. > :13:38.with and sometimes profit from that process of globalisation, that
:13:39. > :13:43.increasingly interconnected world of which the EU is part and at the
:13:44. > :13:47.other end of the spectrum, older people, with little education
:13:48. > :13:50.finding the immigration rather uncomfortable and are not sure that
:13:51. > :13:55.they themselves profit from it economically, this is a referendum
:13:56. > :14:00.about a big social and economic division in our society, not just
:14:01. > :14:05.about the European Union. With three days to go, it is still all to play
:14:06. > :14:09.for. If any of the campaigners on either side are thinking, I could
:14:10. > :14:14.take a couple of days off and put my feet up, I think the advice has to
:14:15. > :14:20.be, do not. It looks as though this is a referendum that could go down
:14:21. > :14:24.to the wire and that means that both sides are pretty close, both in with
:14:25. > :14:29.a serious chance and that we may, all of us, have quite a long night
:14:30. > :14:33.on June the 23rd if we do stay up to watch it, because on these kind of
:14:34. > :14:44.figures, it could be quite a while before we know the eventual outcome.
:14:45. > :14:47.Now, if you believe the opinion polls, young people are twice
:14:48. > :14:49.as likely as pensioners to back the case to Remain.
:14:50. > :14:52.But, and it s a pretty big but, they're almost half as likely
:14:53. > :14:57.Well, joining me hopefully to shed some light are two 18-year olds
:14:58. > :14:59.who definitely are planning to vote on Thursday.
:15:00. > :15:02.For Remain, here in the studio is Erin McAuley and for Leave
:15:03. > :15:06.from our Edinburgh studio, Duncan Wilson.
:15:07. > :15:15.Welcome to both of you this evening. Ereen, why do you think young people
:15:16. > :15:22.are far less likely to vote? It is untrue because if you look at these
:15:23. > :15:28.statistics and the registration to vote, we are championing it. Young
:15:29. > :15:35.people are championing register to vote so I think there will be a good
:15:36. > :15:40.turnout. Do you feel like your friends, the people you talk to are
:15:41. > :15:45.engaged in this campaign? There is a different atmosphere compared to the
:15:46. > :15:51.independence referendum. In the UK widely, young people are definitely
:15:52. > :15:57.going to turn out and vote and championed this because it is our
:15:58. > :16:02.future. It is asked who will be affected the most. It is my
:16:03. > :16:07.generation, generations below us. It is a massive vote because we will
:16:08. > :16:11.have to deal with the consequences. Duncan, have you found excitement
:16:12. > :16:17.amongst your friends regarding this poll? Not particularly. It has been
:16:18. > :16:25.immediate friends in the Leave campaign. But if there is any
:16:26. > :16:29.disengagement the young people it is that we don't have a firm connection
:16:30. > :16:34.with the European Union. Hardly anyone can name their European
:16:35. > :16:39.member of Parliament and many people feel it does not affect them. That
:16:40. > :16:43.is one of the worrying thing about this. The European Union has a
:16:44. > :16:49.tremendous effect on the people of this country and some people don't
:16:50. > :16:54.realise it. You are engaged, you are a student. What is it that makes you
:16:55. > :17:01.want to vote for Britain to stay? There is a variety of reasons. As a
:17:02. > :17:06.young woman, remaining in the European Union will give me the
:17:07. > :17:09.protection at work for equal pay. That is not guaranteed if we come
:17:10. > :17:15.out of the European Union. Secondly, in a world that needs to tackle
:17:16. > :17:21.climate change on terrorism, we are stronger and safer being part of the
:17:22. > :17:27.European Union. There is so much it gives us, especially the young
:17:28. > :17:33.people, we need to protect our working rights. Duncan, stronger and
:17:34. > :17:44.safer together? No. Workers' rights, women's rights can be decided on a
:17:45. > :17:53.national level. As for terrorism and climate change, we don't need to be
:17:54. > :18:00.part of the European Union. We celebrated the signing of Magna
:18:01. > :18:05.Carta and it said we should set our own laws and taxes. We have
:18:06. > :18:11.surrendered that to the European Union. There are five main
:18:12. > :18:15.presidents of the European Union. All of them are white and
:18:16. > :18:22.middle-aged. We can promote gender equality, we don't need the European
:18:23. > :18:34.Union about. We definitely do need it for gender diversity. Britain is
:18:35. > :18:39.undemocratic. We have a House of Lords and a monarchy that is
:18:40. > :18:43.undemocratic. To say we don't have elected representatives in the
:18:44. > :18:48.European Union is nonsense. Do you have confidence that a UK government
:18:49. > :18:53.would protect all the rights? No, I do not have confidence. The UK
:18:54. > :18:57.government wants to scrap young people's working rights and working
:18:58. > :19:02.rights in general. We have been working to protect the trade union
:19:03. > :19:07.Bill. Briefly, Duncan? If you want to protect the rights from this
:19:08. > :19:13.government, vote them out. You cannot do that with the European
:19:14. > :19:18.Union. The European Council and European commission are wholly
:19:19. > :19:21.unelected and we need to take control of our country's destiny.
:19:22. > :19:24.Thank you both very much. MPs and peers earlier today paid
:19:25. > :19:27.tribute to Labour MP Jo Cox, who was killed in her constituency
:19:28. > :19:30.in West Yorkshire on Thursday. Parliament had been in recess
:19:31. > :19:32.for the EU referendum but was recalled for a packed
:19:33. > :19:36.session to remember Mrs Cox. Her husband Brendan
:19:37. > :19:38.and their two children were in the public gallery to hear
:19:39. > :19:40.MPs' speak and her parents visited the floral tributes
:19:41. > :19:57.in Parliament Square. A day of dignity and reflection.
:19:58. > :20:03.Tears, affection and humour as MPs remembered one of their own, taken
:20:04. > :20:08.from them so suddenly last week. The chamber of the Commons packed.
:20:09. > :20:13.Nearly every MP wore a white rose in tribute to Jo Cox's Yorkshire
:20:14. > :20:18.heritage. On the Labour benches where Mrs Cox used to sit was an
:20:19. > :20:25.empty space filled only with a white and red rose. Jo was murdered in the
:20:26. > :20:35.course of her duty. Serving constituents in need. She fought for
:20:36. > :20:40.them, just as she fought for others. At home and abroad. Her community
:20:41. > :20:46.and the whole country have been united in grief, and is united in
:20:47. > :20:52.rejecting the well of hatred that killed her. We pay tribute to a
:20:53. > :20:56.loving, determined, passionate and progressive politician who epitomise
:20:57. > :21:02.the best of humanity and he proved so often the power of politics to
:21:03. > :21:06.make our world a better place. We invited ourselves 40 with the
:21:07. > :21:14.Russian ambassador in his London residence. With clever charm, but
:21:15. > :21:16.steely determination, this five foot bundle of old-fashioned Yorkshire
:21:17. > :21:24.common-sense dressed him down for his country's 40 and cynicism in
:21:25. > :21:30.Syria. Jo was an inspired and inspiring colleague. At the time we
:21:31. > :21:36.first met, Jo, only in her 20s, was heading up Oxfam advocacy office in
:21:37. > :21:44.Brussels. She was a joy to work with. But last, let me say this, and
:21:45. > :21:56.you MP will be elected, but no one can replace a mother. The question
:21:57. > :22:02.is that this house has considered the tributes to Jo Cox. At the end,
:22:03. > :22:08.spontaneous applause. MPs lining up behind the speaker to walk to a
:22:09. > :22:13.church near Parliament to further remember Jo Cox. As they left the
:22:14. > :22:17.Commons, eyes turning up to the public gallery where her family were
:22:18. > :22:23.sitting. And the many, a friendly wave. It seemed aimed to draw and
:22:24. > :22:24.appropriate thing for adults to do the two young children who have lost
:22:25. > :22:29.their mum. Joining me now to discuss today's
:22:30. > :22:31.news we have Stephen Naysmith, the social affairs
:22:32. > :22:43.correspondent of The Herald, Nice to see you both this evening.
:22:44. > :22:48.Just sticking with Jo Cox for a moment and the recall of Parliament,
:22:49. > :22:53.do you think that her death has actually changed the tone of debate
:22:54. > :22:56.this week? I think it is hard to tell, it will be hard to tell and we
:22:57. > :23:03.won't know if it influences the outcome, but it has changed the
:23:04. > :23:06.tone. It has crystallised what a lot of people were feeling. I have heard
:23:07. > :23:10.from friends and relatives in England and Wales about a
:23:11. > :23:19.nationalistic feeling that was making some people feel uneasy about
:23:20. > :23:23.the debate, but from the other side of aggressive campaigning. It has
:23:24. > :23:28.allowed people to focus on that a bit. It certainly has changed at the
:23:29. > :23:34.turn of the debate. People who I have been speaking to you who have
:23:35. > :23:39.been horrified by the nasty nurse, the vitriol that has been directed
:23:40. > :23:46.from one side to the other backwards and forwards through this debate and
:23:47. > :23:50.people really hoping for a more respectful conversation about the EU
:23:51. > :23:58.referendum. -- Knost in us. I think we are seeing that. Thankfully a
:23:59. > :24:01.more muted response. Nigel Farage a bit miffed today. He thinks there
:24:02. > :24:10.has been attempts to link their campaign with the killing just for
:24:11. > :24:15.political ends. He has directly accused David Cameron. I don't think
:24:16. > :24:21.people have seen that, I don't think that is what has happened. Nigel
:24:22. > :24:25.Farage has said that the poster with a queue of migrants, that would not
:24:26. > :24:32.have been an issue if it had not been for the death of Jo Cox. That
:24:33. > :24:38.is not true, not least that Jo Cox's husband tweeted it was vile the
:24:39. > :24:42.morning before she was attacked. It was always going to be a
:24:43. > :24:53.controversial image. Tonight, the debate on BBC Scotland, it was said
:24:54. > :24:58.that we are not all Nigel Farage. It seemed they wanted to distance
:24:59. > :25:04.themselves from Ukip. He said if it went all the way, he would blame
:25:05. > :25:09.Nigel Farage. Already people are taking up positions for what might
:25:10. > :25:15.happen on the might of the 23rd. The first big TV debate in Scotland
:25:16. > :25:23.about the EU referendum. Inevitably, a second Scottish referendum came up
:25:24. > :25:28.as an issue. Do you think that some, especially SNP voters are confused
:25:29. > :25:32.about which way to vote to get the result they want? It did come up in
:25:33. > :25:37.the debate, this idea that if you you want to see Scottish
:25:38. > :25:41.independence, you should be voting Leave, despite the fact it is not
:25:42. > :25:47.the SNP's position. It is a little confused. I don't think in the end
:25:48. > :25:51.it will have a big bearing on how people will vote. And it was
:25:52. > :25:56.suggested by Lord Forsyth that if you did not want a referendum then
:25:57. > :26:02.you ought to be voting Leave. I think it is intensely confusing for
:26:03. > :26:06.people and I just hope people are voting on the issue on the table,
:26:07. > :26:10.answering the question that is asked of them. The other issue about that
:26:11. > :26:16.is it will be hard to tell what will happen in the final days of the
:26:17. > :26:22.campaign. In the Independent referendum there was a surge back
:26:23. > :26:26.towards the status quo, despite what the earlier polls had said. With the
:26:27. > :26:31.EU it is different. I then think there is a passionate attachment to
:26:32. > :26:36.it. We have another big TV debate tomorrow. Boris Johnson going
:26:37. > :26:43.head-to-head with Ruth Davidson. How do you think that will go? The
:26:44. > :26:47.Telegraph is reporting if Boris becomes prime minister, she will
:26:48. > :26:53.move to make the Scottish Tories more separate from Westminster. It
:26:54. > :26:57.is interesting, isn't it? Still three days to go before the vote and
:26:58. > :27:03.people are anticipating what will happen after the vote. It's almost
:27:04. > :27:08.as if the outcome doesn't matter, it is what positions people will take
:27:09. > :27:12.and certainly, I would think, in the Conservative party south of the
:27:13. > :27:19.border very definitely you are going to be looking at feathers really
:27:20. > :27:25.flying. There will be quite a lot of arm healed wounds. And we heard
:27:26. > :27:32.Nicola Sturgeon Saint Brexit could have consequences for the NHS. Tom
:27:33. > :27:41.Harris, director of Scottish Vote Leave, said she was ignoring the
:27:42. > :27:45.needs of the health service. The NHS mean so much to people on both sides
:27:46. > :27:50.of the border that it is not a surprise to me that it gets drawn in
:27:51. > :27:57.with a view to one side or the other trying to claim it as their own. I
:27:58. > :28:01.think, however, these issues probably resonate more south of the
:28:02. > :28:06.border than they do north of the border, would be my very strong
:28:07. > :28:12.impression of it. And, of course, as usual with the EU referendum debate,
:28:13. > :28:17.you have one side making a claim, that other side saying it is wrong
:28:18. > :28:22.and people are still undecided. There are still a great many of
:28:23. > :28:25.them. I met someone today he was explaining that they are still
:28:26. > :28:30.undecided and they did not know what it would take to make them choose
:28:31. > :28:34.one way or the other. The NHS is a good example of that because the
:28:35. > :28:40.Leave campaign will say that the money we give to Europe we can save
:28:41. > :28:45.and spend on the NHS and migrants will put pressure on the NHS. But
:28:46. > :28:49.the Remain campaign will say we get workers from the EU. So it is
:28:50. > :28:55.difficult. I'm afraid there we must leave it. I will be back tomorrow at
:28:56. > :29:01.the usual time. Join me then if you can. Until then, goodbye.
:29:02. > :29:05.After months of campaigning and debating,