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:00:00. > :00:07.Tonight on Scotland 2016, we've got lots of questions.

:00:08. > :00:29.A collective meltdown at Westminster following the Brexit vote,

:00:30. > :00:35.The defeated Prime Minister is back in the Commons

:00:36. > :00:41.as his successor will make the break.

:00:42. > :00:45.I will be seeking to reach out and talk to European institutions and

:00:46. > :00:47.other member states. But here, Nicola Sturgeon

:00:48. > :00:48.is already pursuing It's being described

:00:49. > :01:01.as the worst political crisis Even then though, we

:01:02. > :01:05.were a united country At the despatch box where

:01:06. > :01:12.Churchill once stood, the crestfallen Prime Minister told

:01:13. > :01:15.MPs the vote to withdraw from the EU A new team of civil servants

:01:16. > :01:20.is being set up to deal Here's our political correspondent,

:01:21. > :01:26.Nick Eardley. The decision taken in 1975 by this

:01:27. > :01:31.country to join in the Common Market has been reversed by this

:01:32. > :01:35.referendum to leave the EU. It is hard to think of a more

:01:36. > :01:38.extraordinary weekend in Following the referendum

:01:39. > :01:43.result, the Prime think the country requires fresh

:01:44. > :01:47.leadership to take it The Leader of the

:01:48. > :01:53.Opposition is facing an open revolt and sterling has

:01:54. > :01:58.fallen to a 31-year low. The referendum result

:01:59. > :02:00.has sparked a range Delight for those who supported

:02:01. > :02:04.Brexit, despair for those Britain's future has

:02:05. > :02:10.been mulled over for all weekend here in

:02:11. > :02:11.the But today was a chance

:02:12. > :02:15.for the Government and MPs to say what they think should

:02:16. > :02:17.happen now. The cabinet met this morning

:02:18. > :02:26.and agreed the creation of a new EU unit in Whitehall

:02:27. > :02:29.which will bring together officials on policy expertise from across the

:02:30. > :02:31.Cabinet Office, Treasury, Foreign Clearly, this will be the most

:02:32. > :02:38.complete and most important task that the British civil service has

:02:39. > :02:40.undertaken in decades. But he wouldn't take

:02:41. > :02:42.all the decisions All of the key decisions will have

:02:43. > :02:48.to await the arrival of However, there is a lot

:02:49. > :02:58.of work that can be For instance, the British and Irish

:02:59. > :03:03.governments meet this week to work through the challenges relating to

:03:04. > :03:07.the common border area. The SNP's Angus Robertson was defiant. He

:03:08. > :03:12.echoed many of Nicola Sturgeon's arguments about what it would mean

:03:13. > :03:17.for Scotland. We are a European country and we will stay a European

:03:18. > :03:22.country. If that means we have to have an independence referendum is

:03:23. > :03:27.to protect Scotland, then so be it. Jeremy Corbyn is facing the most

:03:28. > :03:30.serious crisis of his leadership. He accused Leave campaigners of making

:03:31. > :03:36.promises they couldn't keep, but also hit out at his own critics. Our

:03:37. > :03:40.country is divided and the country will thank neither adventures in

:03:41. > :03:49.front of me nor those behind for indulging in internal manoeuvring at

:03:50. > :03:53.this time. A show of support for Mr Corbyn outside parliament to night.

:03:54. > :04:00.The battle for control of the Labour Party. Doubtless other political

:04:01. > :04:04.battles to follow. The First Minister has told BBC's Colin she'll

:04:05. > :04:06.be speaking to the Boulter to find coming grad in their efforts to

:04:07. > :04:14.maintain the links with the European Union. A short time ago I spoke to

:04:15. > :04:18.the Scottish minister for Europe. You have been meeting members of

:04:19. > :04:21.European nations in Scotland today. What have they told you? I have the

:04:22. > :04:27.chance today to meet with mems of the Polish committee in Scotland and

:04:28. > :04:31.also people from the Portuguese community. In both cases, the main

:04:32. > :04:37.theme arising was uncertainty. People were uncertain about their

:04:38. > :04:42.future, their right of residency, their ability to hire staff, about

:04:43. > :04:46.what would happen to the freedom of movement of people. Would I

:04:47. > :04:49.continue? Would access to a free European market continue? These are

:04:50. > :04:53.all questions they were and sink and unfortunately, there are questions

:04:54. > :04:58.the UK Government has not offered answers to. And we died of racist

:04:59. > :05:08.incidents down south. Any similar thing happening here in Scotland? --

:05:09. > :05:14.we heard of racist incidents. No. I think it is fair to say that members

:05:15. > :05:23.of the EU nation communities within Scotland feel hurt and distressed in

:05:24. > :05:28.some cases by what has been going on and by the tone of the debate. I do

:05:29. > :05:35.not see any evidence at the moment of outbreaks of real unpleasant

:05:36. > :05:38.behaviour, but we are not complacent about that, we don't imagine

:05:39. > :05:43.Scotland is immune from this in any way. Certainly, it is not something

:05:44. > :05:48.we want to tolerate in a way. We know Scotland wants to try to

:05:49. > :05:53.maintain its links with the European Union and there's been an

:05:54. > :05:58.interesting approach from brought and they want to maintain some kind

:05:59. > :06:02.of link with the EU. What has been happening there? What exactly could

:06:03. > :06:07.be planned? It is too early to anticipate. The approach was made I

:06:08. > :06:12.their chief minister to the Scottish Government and that is something I

:06:13. > :06:17.know they will respond to. But there is no formal Scottish response to

:06:18. > :06:21.that situation. What I understand from the point of view of the

:06:22. > :06:24.residents there, but difficult stash might be the vote has been

:06:25. > :06:28.difficult. I think the theme that was coming through today though was

:06:29. > :06:31.that people were volunteering information to me that they wanted

:06:32. > :06:36.to stay in the European Union, that they wanted Scotland to stay in the

:06:37. > :06:40.European Union for their businesses, families and their future. To that

:06:41. > :06:45.end, Nicola Sturgeon says she wants to maintain those links. Will she

:06:46. > :06:48.have some with. Tour of European capitals like David Cameron did when

:06:49. > :06:54.he was trying to have that renegotiation? , Certainly engaging

:06:55. > :06:59.at all levels. Today, I met the consular call in Edinburgh and had a

:07:00. > :07:03.frank discussion with them about some of the issues we were talking

:07:04. > :07:08.about. I am sure there will be a Government engagement with

:07:09. > :07:12.representatives of European countries in Scotland. I am sure

:07:13. > :07:17.there will be a programme of events. We are in early days, but this is

:07:18. > :07:21.all being planned. So you are proactively seeking these types of

:07:22. > :07:26.talks? The Government has made it clear we want to keep up every

:07:27. > :07:29.possible channel of medication whether consular, diplomatic or

:07:30. > :07:33.Government to Government. We want to make sure that in the coming months,

:07:34. > :07:36.all channels of communication are kept up with our European partners

:07:37. > :07:41.and with the European Union. D within the First Minister will want

:07:42. > :07:44.to meet with the president of the commission as well? I can't

:07:45. > :07:47.speculate what will go in her diary, but I do note that the First

:07:48. > :07:53.Minister herself is committed to this process, this conversation. As

:07:54. > :07:56.part of the conversation, the Cabinet Secretary for the rural

:07:57. > :08:08.economy was meeting ministers in Luxembourg today. He named their

:08:09. > :08:12.money was speaking to Reuters. He says that over the past 24-hour,

:08:13. > :08:17.senior officials in Europe have said they'd like to see Scotland as the

:08:18. > :08:21.28th member states. Is that they are planning to give names. Would you

:08:22. > :08:25.like to give us some names of these officials who may want to see an

:08:26. > :08:31.independent Scotland in the EU? You won't be surprised to know I'm not

:08:32. > :08:35.going to speculate and named names of individuals further than has been

:08:36. > :08:40.talked about so far. I'm not into position to do that. But the

:08:41. > :08:46.Scottish Government has shown leadership in this matter and the

:08:47. > :08:49.situation in which the UK Parliament is in disarray with pretty much

:08:50. > :08:54.everything, but the Scottish Government has, I think, been

:08:55. > :08:58.praised for the fact we have a clear stands on Europe which is that we

:08:59. > :09:02.value the contribution of people from other countries who have made

:09:03. > :09:04.Scotland at their home and we want Scotland to remain in the EU and

:09:05. > :09:10.that the Government will keep open every option to discuss ways to find

:09:11. > :09:14.a solution that will ensure that happens. The people I've been

:09:15. > :09:17.speaking to today, people are running businesses in Scotland,

:09:18. > :09:22.people who've made Scotland their home are unambiguous that they see

:09:23. > :09:25.the solution to their problems as being Scotland remaining within the

:09:26. > :09:31.European Union. But the outlook for this diplomatic mission is maybe not

:09:32. > :09:35.terribly good in a way and I suppose you've got the referendum as the

:09:36. > :09:39.last resort as the First Minister was saying yesterday. And I suppose

:09:40. > :09:43.that is maybe what you are looking at, a referendum, at the end of the

:09:44. > :09:47.day? The First Minister has made plain that we need to defend

:09:48. > :09:52.Scotland's interest and everything we do will be based around that. We

:09:53. > :09:56.recognise the skull and's interests are being served by the European

:09:57. > :10:04.Union and therefore as the First Minister said, everything is on the

:10:05. > :10:08.course of this week with Parliament meetings to reach out across as

:10:09. > :10:11.miniature additional political divide in Scotland as we can to make

:10:12. > :10:16.clear everything is on the table and up for discussion. The aim and hope

:10:17. > :10:20.we all share is that Scotland remains entering the connection and

:10:21. > :10:25.benefits from a connection we have with Europe. You mention Parliament

:10:26. > :10:27.and that emotion on Europe will be debated tomorrow and you're looking

:10:28. > :10:32.at support from Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens. Does that add to

:10:33. > :10:36.your case? I think it strengthens the argument we are making, that

:10:37. > :10:43.Scotland has clearly voted to remain in the EU. That is not some position

:10:44. > :10:47.that has just been arrived at by one political party. It is a cross-party

:10:48. > :10:50.consensus. I hope it is building around the position that Scotland

:10:51. > :10:56.has a voice, they have expressed their view, not only did 62% of

:10:57. > :10:59.people in Scotland vote to remain in the European Union, but

:11:00. > :11:04.impressively, every single region in Scotland voted to Remain. I hope

:11:05. > :11:13.that is reflected in the tone of what we debate in Parliament this

:11:14. > :11:16.week. Speaking of tone and away you go about this, the First Minister

:11:17. > :11:18.gave an interview yesterday and there were differing views about

:11:19. > :11:21.what she was trying to say. Perhaps the clearest thing was she was

:11:22. > :11:23.looking to frustrate Brexit legislation in the Scottish

:11:24. > :11:28.parliament is coming from Westminster. Do you think you are

:11:29. > :11:31.looking maybe at those delaying tactics? Some of the questions asked

:11:32. > :11:40.at the weekend were around specific things to do with letters of consent

:11:41. > :11:44.Motion is to use the jargon... But addition that the Scottish

:11:45. > :11:48.Parliament has to have its consent sought when legislation is put

:11:49. > :11:51.through by Westminster that affect the rights and responsibilities of

:11:52. > :11:56.the Scottish parliament and affect areas that are under devolved

:11:57. > :11:59.combatants. There's a whole legal and constitutional debate to be had

:12:00. > :12:04.around that. It is right that we raise the issue, that the Scottish

:12:05. > :12:08.parliament will have a view in this and even the Prime Minister has

:12:09. > :12:11.access to the Scottish Government and other devolved governments will

:12:12. > :12:12.have a view in this and they have a right to be heard and they will be

:12:13. > :12:14.heard this week. So many questions

:12:15. > :12:16.following the vote. David Bell, professor of economics

:12:17. > :12:32.at the University of Stirling. Good evening. Thank you for joining

:12:33. > :12:38.me. Have you ever seen a shot like this? No, this is unprecedented. In

:12:39. > :12:45.my reasonably long lifetime I've seen nothing like this. We have had

:12:46. > :12:52.a big hit on domestic stocks which hits People's pension funds. We have

:12:53. > :12:58.had the US dollar pound at the exchange rate and drop by 11%. We've

:12:59. > :13:06.also lost our triple-A rating as far as bonds and Government that is

:13:07. > :13:09.concerned. We've seen Boris Johnson trying to make light of what has

:13:10. > :13:14.been happening on the stock markets. Should he be listened to in that

:13:15. > :13:19.sense? Not particularly. The stock market is a mixture of companies

:13:20. > :13:29.which work mostly overseas and some of which do quite well when the

:13:30. > :13:31.pound falls. But the domestic companies, their valuations have

:13:32. > :13:36.been falling and that affects peoples pensions. If you had one

:13:37. > :13:45.before, it is likely it is worth less now. You mention premonitions,

:13:46. > :13:46.what about mortgages and general prices in the shops, petrol prices

:13:47. > :13:57.and so on? The foreign exchange rate will come

:13:58. > :14:01.through quite quickly. More slowly into food prices. We will see a rise

:14:02. > :14:07.in the rate of inflation compared with where it has been the past few

:14:08. > :14:12.years. That may be an opportunity for businesses in Scotland and

:14:13. > :14:17.elsewhere, because British, Scottish goods will be cheaper relative to

:14:18. > :14:20.those from overseas. You were watching Alasdair Allan from the

:14:21. > :14:25.Scottish Government, trying to maintain link with the European

:14:26. > :14:30.Union, the Scottish Government, maybe keeping trade links if there

:14:31. > :14:36.is Brexit, how possible do you think that is? It will be tricky, I am not

:14:37. > :14:41.an expert in constitutional law, but my reading is it will be difficult.

:14:42. > :14:48.There is a precedent, the Greenland, Denmark case and so on. But quite

:14:49. > :14:54.different from the Scottish case. It remains to be seen but my guess is

:14:55. > :14:59.it will be difficult. I said to Alasdair Allan, last resort, if the

:15:00. > :15:02.attempt does not work, another referendum on independence, which

:15:03. > :15:09.was clear in the manifesto. Looking at the economy of Scotland, how

:15:10. > :15:13.might an independent Scotland fare under Brexit, but being able to stay

:15:14. > :15:20.in the EU if possible? It would be tricky. We are in a difficult fiscal

:15:21. > :15:27.situation because of the fall in the oil price. Last year the deficit was

:15:28. > :15:34.14.9 billion. 9.7% of Scottish GDP. If you go into the EU, the rules say

:15:35. > :15:39.generally that you have to commit to joining the euro and if you commit

:15:40. > :15:46.to joining the euro, you have to pay what is called the Maastricht

:15:47. > :15:52.criteria -- ovate. The deficit must be no more than 3% of GDP. It would

:15:53. > :15:59.mean Scotland has to find a ground ?10 billion worth less public

:16:00. > :16:06.spending it currently has. Some of the imputed stuff like defence,

:16:07. > :16:11.which is not really happening in Scotland, 3 billion of that.

:16:12. > :16:17.Scotland by not have defence forces. It is not a real cost at the minute.

:16:18. > :16:22.We might refuse to take any debt, which would have consequences. It

:16:23. > :16:29.would save another 2.7 billion. If you are looking for ?10 billion in

:16:30. > :16:36.total, in terms of a cut, to put it in perspective, that is worth 70% of

:16:37. > :16:40.the welfare budget, all spending on state pensions, unemployment

:16:41. > :16:45.benefits, these issues. I suppose it depends on timing whether Scotland

:16:46. > :16:50.could be independent in the EU or whether it would have to reapply but

:16:51. > :16:56.if Scotland was independent in the EU, there could be benefits in terms

:16:57. > :17:01.of financial services. One thing to say is the oil price might recover

:17:02. > :17:07.which would make the finances of Scotland look better but it is true

:17:08. > :17:11.if Scotland was part of the EU, it might, and England not, there might

:17:12. > :17:15.be an opportunity to attract business from south of the border

:17:16. > :17:22.into a comparable business climate in Scotland. That is the key for

:17:23. > :17:28.Scotland, the oil price. If this had been three years ago we would have

:17:29. > :17:30.looked at a positive scenario? Yes, and the fall in the exchange rate

:17:31. > :17:39.should help the North Sea because its costs are mainly in Stirling and

:17:40. > :17:46.they have fallen relative to output price. Oil is always priced in

:17:47. > :17:51.dollars. The fall in sterling should give encouragement to the Grampian

:17:52. > :17:56.area and North Sea in general. I suppose nobody knows what will

:17:57. > :18:01.happen but what are the future prospects for the UK and the rest of

:18:02. > :18:06.the EU? How much of an impact will Brexit have on the rest of the EU? I

:18:07. > :18:15.suspect it will have a negative impact. Erecting barriers to trade,

:18:16. > :18:20.even to movement of people, will tend to make economies less

:18:21. > :18:29.efficient and over the long run, I would expect, and a lot of other

:18:30. > :18:33.commentators have seen, or forecast, is diminished prospects, both for

:18:34. > :18:41.the EU as a whole, maybe not that much of the change, but a small

:18:42. > :18:44.change, and some reduction in the UK's economic prospects. Professor

:18:45. > :18:46.David Bell, we will have to leave it there. Thanks.

:18:47. > :18:48.As we've been hearing, it's been another turbulent day,

:18:49. > :18:50.to put it mildly, for Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

:18:51. > :18:54.He faces a vote on a motion of no confidence by his MPs tomorrow.

:18:55. > :18:56.More than two thirds of his Shadow Cabinet have

:18:57. > :19:03.now resigned, including the Shadow Business Secretary Angela Eagle.

:19:04. > :19:10.She explained her decision to the BBC. By ink Jeremy in the best

:19:11. > :19:16.interests of the party needs to stand down. We don't serve our party

:19:17. > :19:20.or the interests of some of the poorest in our communities by being

:19:21. > :19:30.a Labour Party that cannot win an election. You are finding this very

:19:31. > :19:38.difficult? Yes. I feel I have served in the best way I can and today I

:19:39. > :19:45.had to go. If there are members of Parliament,

:19:46. > :19:49.or members of the party, who disagree with Jeremy and his

:19:50. > :19:57.policies upon which he was elected, it is open to them under our

:19:58. > :20:04.Constitution to seek another election. But let me make it clear.

:20:05. > :20:07.If there is another leadership election, Jeremy Corbyn will be

:20:08. > :20:09.standing again and I will be supporting him.

:20:10. > :20:12.The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell there, defending Jeremy Corbyn

:20:13. > :20:15.at a rally in support of the leader earlier this evening.

:20:16. > :20:20.Joining me are Stewart Paterson, who's political correspondent

:20:21. > :20:27.And the political commentator David Torrance.

:20:28. > :20:40.Good evening. A lot to talk about after a busy weekend. Labour, let's

:20:41. > :20:45.pick up on that. What on earth is happening, why is Jeremy Corbyn may

:20:46. > :20:51.be thinking he can stay on still? He had a huge majority of members when

:20:52. > :20:55.elected, over 60%. No one came near him in the last election and he is

:20:56. > :21:02.thinking he can win it again. He knew this day was coming, maybe a

:21:03. > :21:07.year or two down the line, but with the prospect of a general election

:21:08. > :21:12.sooner that is why people have gone against him. He will let the members

:21:13. > :21:17.make the decision again. Looking at the seams. Fire Brigade 's union

:21:18. > :21:22.fire engine outside Westminster, utterly defiant. John McDonnell was

:21:23. > :21:27.perhaps mortified. He said today in the House of Commons, which was

:21:28. > :21:31.quite remarkable and strange, at the same time trying to attack the

:21:32. > :21:36.Tories, having a go at the people behind him were plotting against him

:21:37. > :21:40.when at that point you should keeping his fire for the

:21:41. > :21:45.Conservatives. He knew it was coming and he is ready, whether he can

:21:46. > :21:49.survive is another matter. I can't see him stepping down soon.

:21:50. > :21:54.Backbenchers shook their heads when he made the comment alluded to. Some

:21:55. > :22:00.wonder whether he would be allowed to stand. I think there is little

:22:01. > :22:04.argument. It has come to a pretty pass when the Leader of the

:22:05. > :22:08.Opposition has to consult lawyers about his position. There seems to

:22:09. > :22:12.be a dispute between whether he would be automatically on the ballot

:22:13. > :22:16.and Labour has a similar system to the Conservatives with the

:22:17. > :22:20.Parliamentary party selecting candidates and it is put to the

:22:21. > :22:24.membership. Remember he only got on the ballot last time because some

:22:25. > :22:28.Labour MPs who did not support him thought it a good idea to have a

:22:29. > :22:37.debate, it was an accident. If he does not end up on again, he cannot

:22:38. > :22:41.be elected and grassroots support becomes irrelevant. If people think

:22:42. > :22:48.they have been deprived of the leader they like you have an issue.

:22:49. > :22:54.One was saying to Corbyn's supporters, if you don't like it you

:22:55. > :23:01.should look elsewhere. There will be the vote of no confidence. That is a

:23:02. > :23:05.sign the Parliamentary Labour Party don't get what is happening in the

:23:06. > :23:12.wider country. A small band of MPs think they can overturn the

:23:13. > :23:15.democratic result of the grassroots party membership. They want to hold

:23:16. > :23:22.a secret ballot to force Jeremy Corbyn out, this is what is

:23:23. > :23:26.happening in the past years in politics the way the public are not

:23:27. > :23:33.happy. They do not seem to be listening. The Conservatives having

:23:34. > :23:40.their problems stop when it comes to leadership. Briefly on that. A

:23:41. > :23:43.similar situation. Boris Johnson does not have strong support in the

:23:44. > :23:51.Parliamentary party but clearly potentially large support in the

:23:52. > :23:54.grassroots. The Stop Boris movement coordinated one suspects by the

:23:55. > :23:57.Prime Minister and possibly the Chancellor. Again that a similar

:23:58. > :24:04.situation if the membership in the country feel their preferred

:24:05. > :24:11.candidate is taken away, they won't be happy. And there could be added

:24:12. > :24:16.election, the new leader, the 1922 Committee decided a timetable, new

:24:17. > :24:22.leader by September. Could there be an October election? I think it is a

:24:23. > :24:26.bit quick to have an election. If not October, probably into the New

:24:27. > :24:29.Year and looking at the spring. They would have to call it straightaway

:24:30. > :24:35.as soon as a new leader was announced. That would probably the

:24:36. > :24:39.right thing to do if there is a new Conservative leader and you are

:24:40. > :24:43.Prime Minister, especially after the EU referendum, you should get a

:24:44. > :24:48.mandate for what proposals you want to take forward to take Britain out

:24:49. > :24:55.of the EU, or even if they want to keep Britain in the EU. Nicola

:24:56. > :24:59.Sturgeon, as we spoke to Alasdair Allan about, maybe she will have

:25:00. > :25:03.that charm offensive around the constant looking for support for

:25:04. > :25:10.Scotland to maintain links with the EU. How likely is that on the road

:25:11. > :25:14.perhaps to a referendum? This is the $1 million question. There is no

:25:15. > :25:20.model as the First Minister said, it is uncharted territory. I do not

:25:21. > :25:26.think it is a runner, the Scottish Parliament and a veto of Brexit. She

:25:27. > :25:30.did not use that word. We will only know where we speak to the

:25:31. > :25:34.commission president and president of the Council in Brussels and that

:25:35. > :25:40.will happen. I don't think these fringe noises from the former

:25:41. > :25:43.Belgian Prime Minister, an Irish politician, making positive noises,

:25:44. > :25:48.are significant. It is what the member states think. Fergus Ewing

:25:49. > :25:53.was in Luxembourg and was hearing positive things from some officials

:25:54. > :25:58.he was speaking to. They were even saying they would welcome Scotland

:25:59. > :26:02.as the 28 state. You can probably pick and choose who you speak to who

:26:03. > :26:07.will give favourable noises but they have to get the agreement of all 27

:26:08. > :26:12.members for Scotland to either remain or come back in if we are

:26:13. > :26:23.independent. You may get one or two. You need 100%. Catalonia is now more

:26:24. > :26:28.of a live constitutional situation in Spain and Spain is reluctant to

:26:29. > :26:32.create a precedent, might be greater than two years ago. Back to

:26:33. > :26:36.Westminster, when it comes to whether there is Brexit or not, what

:26:37. > :26:44.kind of a model do you think we might end up with. It is difficult

:26:45. > :26:51.to predict. It is uncharted waters. Nobody knows what will happen. There

:26:52. > :26:55.is no plan for Brexit. There is no plan for how the UK will look once

:26:56. > :26:57.we have these negotiations. Nobody seems to know what country we will

:26:58. > :27:08.have stop that is the problem. There was anger among pro-Brexit

:27:09. > :27:17.people there was no plan if they vote went for Leave. They are

:27:18. > :27:22.catastrophically unprepared. Rolling back on unrealistic promises made.

:27:23. > :27:26.Boris Johnson in a newspaper column, it is remarkable, floating the idea

:27:27. > :27:31.or most of the European economic area, which is a group that includes

:27:32. > :27:37.Iceland and Norway so you retain access to the single market. But

:27:38. > :27:42.there might be a quid pro quo in terms of freedom of movement. Most

:27:43. > :27:47.people who voted Leave rather suspected they were getting away

:27:48. > :27:55.from that, I think. Do you think that people may be new the impact.

:27:56. > :27:59.Project Fear, the campaign, some people called it. Has it come to

:28:00. > :28:04.pass? Do you think some people are thinking, maybe things are not quite

:28:05. > :28:10.as bad as was said by the Chancellor. There is no emergency

:28:11. > :28:15.Brexit budget? We are also hearing that some people on the Leave side

:28:16. > :28:23.did not expect this. They did not expect the country would vote to

:28:24. > :28:25.leave. It has all been about the Conservative Party leadership.

:28:26. > :28:31.Nobody expected to be in this situation. Nobody anticipated the

:28:32. > :28:36.mess that could be created. Which is grossly irresponsible politics! We

:28:37. > :28:40.will have to wait and see what happens. Thank you both very much.

:28:41. > :28:47.Shelly will be here tomorrow night, at the usual time.

:28:48. > :29:15.Oh, God! Argh! HE COUGHS AND SCREAMS

:29:16. > :29:22.BBC Four unmasks Britain's controversial

:29:23. > :29:25.I genuinely thought it was going to be...quite mild.