:00:00. > :00:00.The First Minister says a second independence referendum remains
:00:00. > :00:26."highly likely" after her charm offensive in Brussels.
:00:27. > :00:33.The First Minister brushes off Spanish opposition to her attempts
:00:34. > :00:39.We have an extended interview from Brussels.
:00:40. > :00:41.Angela Eagle looks set to challenge Jeremy Corbyn
:00:42. > :00:46.And in wake of the Brexit vote, the Irish President urges
:00:47. > :00:58.Scotland and Ireland to continue its cooperation.
:00:59. > :01:02.There were plenty of warm words for Nicola Sturgeon in Brussels
:01:03. > :01:05.today as she shuttled between a series of high-level meetings.
:01:06. > :01:06.From the President of the EU Parliament to
:01:07. > :01:11.President of the European Commission,
:01:12. > :01:14.the First Minister got a sympathetic hearing as she set about exploring
:01:15. > :01:17.short of independence - that Scotland could
:01:18. > :01:23.But it was those she didn't meet who could provide a stumbling block.
:01:24. > :01:25.Both the French president and Spanish Prime Minister said
:01:26. > :01:29.they're opposed to the EU negotiating potential
:01:30. > :01:31.Our political correspondent Glen Campbell spoke
:01:32. > :01:46.First Minister, does Leave mean leave for all of the UK? And no, I
:01:47. > :01:52.don't think it necessarily does, and that is my starting point here, to
:01:53. > :01:56.question whether that has to be the case. Scotland boss alarming rate to
:01:57. > :02:02.remain in the European Union and I think the will of the Scottish
:02:03. > :02:07.people should be respected. -- Scotland voted overwhelmingly to
:02:08. > :02:11.remain. I think I have got a duty to try to honour what the people of
:02:12. > :02:15.Scotland voted for and do everything that I can and explore every option
:02:16. > :02:20.to protect Scotland's place in the EU. What you say to the Spanish by
:02:21. > :02:25.Minister Mariano Rajoy who says if the UK leaves, Scotland leaves? I
:02:26. > :02:30.don't think it is surprising to hear the acting Spanish Prime Minister
:02:31. > :02:33.say that. That is the view that Spain has expressed previously about
:02:34. > :02:38.Scotland's position. But the second thing I would say is that we are now
:02:39. > :02:41.in uncharted territory, and the situation now compared to the
:02:42. > :02:49.situation in 2014 is different, it is a unique situation. You would
:02:50. > :02:54.need the agreement of Spain and other EU countries. Of course, we
:02:55. > :02:56.are in the very early stages and it is our uncharted territory. It is
:02:57. > :03:04.not clear what's been's political leadership will be in the period
:03:05. > :03:11.ahead. -- what Spain's political leadership will be. We are not yet a
:03:12. > :03:13.week on from the referendum. In this early stage my priority is to make
:03:14. > :03:19.sure there is an understanding across Europe that Scotland voted
:03:20. > :03:23.differently to the yes of the UK and that there is an aspiration in
:03:24. > :03:30.Scotland to protect our relationship with the European Union. -- to the
:03:31. > :03:36.rest of the UK. Isn't there an effective veto over ambition is to
:03:37. > :03:39.stay inside? What I am here today doing is just putting Scotland's
:03:40. > :03:43.case and making Scotland's voice heard. Much of the discussion we
:03:44. > :03:47.will have to have to try and chart a different course for Scotland will
:03:48. > :03:53.be discussion in the context of the UK EU negotiations, and I want to
:03:54. > :03:56.make sure Scotland's interest are properly represented there. I am not
:03:57. > :03:59.pretending at this stage I have all the answers to the questions that
:04:00. > :04:03.will arise from the situation I did not create or ask to be in. I have
:04:04. > :04:06.got an absolute duty given how the people of Scotland voted last week
:04:07. > :04:10.to try and find a way of protecting Scotland's vision in the EU, and
:04:11. > :04:15.that is what I am determined to do. -- Scotland's position in the EU.
:04:16. > :04:21.Gordon Brown is suggesting that the next best thing would be for the UK
:04:22. > :04:27.to negotiate membership of the European economic area, like Norway
:04:28. > :04:30.and Iceland. Do you agree? I think the best thing is to stay in the
:04:31. > :04:36.European Union. The thing about the Norway solution is that it is
:04:37. > :04:39.accessed to the single market, accepts free movement of people, and
:04:40. > :04:44.means that we would have to continue to pay a contribution. In other
:04:45. > :04:49.words, what you get with the Norway solution is all of the obligations
:04:50. > :04:52.of EU membership, benefits of the single market, but you did not have
:04:53. > :04:56.a seat around the table to influence the rules of the single market. I
:04:57. > :05:01.don't think that is a good situation. Is it the next best thing
:05:02. > :05:05.for either the UK or Scotland? I am focusing on the best thing for
:05:06. > :05:13.Scotland, and the best thing that the people of Scotland actually
:05:14. > :05:18.voted for. People are now asking what the best alternative is in the
:05:19. > :05:23.UK, but that is not the situation in Scotland, we voted to stay in the
:05:24. > :05:28.EU. I have to find the best option for what the people in Scotland
:05:29. > :05:31.voted for. Some people talk about the possibility of the treaty is
:05:32. > :05:35.continuing to apply to parts of the UK like Scotland whilst England and
:05:36. > :05:40.Wales withdrawal. Is that a serious option or not? A few days on from
:05:41. > :05:44.the referendum before the article 50 process is even triggered, we should
:05:45. > :05:48.not rule any options out. We should look at all options and assess pros
:05:49. > :05:52.and cons of them, and that is the approach I have very definitely said
:05:53. > :05:55.I want to take. As we proceed further down this road, no doubt
:05:56. > :06:00.some options that people say no should be looked at will prove not
:06:01. > :06:04.be possible, credible or perhaps desirable. Our options makes narrow.
:06:05. > :06:11.But at the moment I have got an open mind and I am keen to at every
:06:12. > :06:14.potential option, and I am trying to encourage people here to keep their
:06:15. > :06:18.minds open as well. What do you think the chances of a second
:06:19. > :06:23.independence referendum are no, not least in light of the Spanish
:06:24. > :06:26.Government's comments? I say to you when you asked me that same question
:06:27. > :06:29.that the likelihood of a second referendum is highly likely over the
:06:30. > :06:34.next period, given what happened with the EU referendum last week. I
:06:35. > :06:38.have also said that I am not coming at this from a starting point of
:06:39. > :06:46.independence. You know I support independence. Mice -- my starting
:06:47. > :06:53.point here is how do we protect what Scotland voted for. If we joined we
:06:54. > :07:04.would have to agree to join the euro. I want us to examine all
:07:05. > :07:09.options for retaining our current membership of the European Union.
:07:10. > :07:15.Haven't one of the 27 countries said today that that cannot happen? As I
:07:16. > :07:19.said, I am not here today asking for commitments from other European
:07:20. > :07:24.countries. I'm here today at the start a process which is about
:07:25. > :07:27.examining all options for Scotland. I have said this before and we'll
:07:28. > :07:31.say it again, because it is worth repeating. We are less than a week
:07:32. > :07:36.after the referendum that I did not ask for will stop I did not want to
:07:37. > :07:40.see this icon, this is not a situation I wanted Scotland to be
:07:41. > :07:44.in. It is not up perfect situation, four from. My job now is to navigate
:07:45. > :07:49.up after it that get the best possible outcome for Scotland. There
:07:50. > :07:54.will be hurdles, difficulties and challenges. There is no easy path
:07:55. > :07:56.ahead. But my job is to try to find the best path that leads to the best
:07:57. > :08:01.outcome for Scotland, and that is what I am focused on doing. Have you
:08:02. > :08:09.reached any agreement with resident Martin Schulz? Do you hope to get
:08:10. > :08:16.confirmation from President Younger? I have not been here today asking
:08:17. > :08:18.for commitments, but making Scotland's voice heard and making
:08:19. > :08:24.sure there is an understanding across Europe of Scotland's position
:08:25. > :08:27.here. I have had a very warm and sympathetic welcome, and I have been
:08:28. > :08:32.very pleased with the discussion I have had. What about the people in
:08:33. > :08:40.Scotland who didn't vote to leave? Do you speak for them on this issue?
:08:41. > :08:44.Ukip say that you do not. I certainly want to speak to people
:08:45. > :08:47.who wanted to leave, because I recognise that there are people who
:08:48. > :08:51.voted to leave the did so out of a range of different concerns. Some of
:08:52. > :08:55.the about the European Union, some will be other concerns that they
:08:56. > :08:59.were expressing there. But the express that view as a legitimate
:09:00. > :09:04.view, and it is one I have to listen to. As I said in my statement to
:09:05. > :09:08.Parliament, there is an obligation on all of us to understand and
:09:09. > :09:13.respond to those concerns. But equally, in a democracy, people in
:09:14. > :09:18.Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay in the European Union, and that
:09:19. > :09:21.is the view that I have to reflect. There is a political crisis in
:09:22. > :09:28.Westminster at the moment. Do you take the Leader of the Opposition
:09:29. > :09:33.should go? -- do you think? I think it is hard to see how he gives the
:09:34. > :09:38.position while so many of his MPs do not support. Given that he has so
:09:39. > :09:41.much backing from the grassroots, it is hard to see how we can be in a
:09:42. > :09:47.position where the parliamentary party and the activist base of the
:09:48. > :09:50.party or so at odds. I'm sure there are a lot of people in the Labour
:09:51. > :09:57.Party who voted for Jeremy Corbyn who feel uneasy and perhaps angry to
:09:58. > :10:00.see him overthrown and toppled by MPs against their wishes. So it is
:10:01. > :10:05.difficult to see how a leader can stay on in the circumstances, but I
:10:06. > :10:07.think it all adds up to a lot of unhappiness. To me, seemingly
:10:08. > :10:14.irreconcilable differences within the Labour Party. Thank you very
:10:15. > :10:15.much. The First Minister speaking to Glen
:10:16. > :10:18.Campbell in Brussels earlier today. Angela Eagle looks set
:10:19. > :10:19.to challenge Jeremy Corbyn The BBC understands the former
:10:20. > :10:23.Shadow Business Secretary has the support of the 51 MPs needed
:10:24. > :10:25.to mount a challenge. Earlier today the Prime Minister
:10:26. > :10:28.called on Mr Corbyn to resign at his first PMQs since
:10:29. > :10:32.the EU referendum. David Cameron also gave a statement
:10:33. > :10:35.on his meeting with other European In a moment we'll go live
:10:36. > :10:55.to Westminster for the latest David Cameron's opponents have often
:10:56. > :11:01.docked in Flash man because of his acting performances in the House of
:11:02. > :11:03.Commons. But the man who came to the dispatch box today to answer
:11:04. > :11:08.questions for the first time since the EU referendum seemed a more
:11:09. > :11:12.subdued. We are in a strong position to meet these challenges because we
:11:13. > :11:15.have paid down so much of our deficit, had strong growth and job
:11:16. > :11:22.creation. But I do not belittle at all that consequences will be
:11:23. > :11:25.difficult. There are a going to be some choppy waters ahead. What it
:11:26. > :11:30.did not take long for the leaders to revert to more familiar territory,
:11:31. > :11:36.with the Labour leader's problems mind for dramatic effect. The Prime
:11:37. > :11:41.Minister has two months lead. Will you leave one nation legacy, and
:11:42. > :11:46.while that one nation legacy be the scrapping of the bedroom tax, the
:11:47. > :11:53.banning of zero hours contracts, and cancelling of the cuts to universal
:11:54. > :11:57.credit? I have to say, he talks about job insecurity, and my two
:11:58. > :12:00.months to go. It might be in my party's interest for him to sit
:12:01. > :12:06.there. It is not in the national interest, and I would say, for
:12:07. > :12:14.heaven 's sake, man, go. Then it was onto the outcome of Tuesday's
:12:15. > :12:18.European Council. From which the Prime Minister left early, as the
:12:19. > :12:23.SNP highlighted. While the Prime Minister is not in Brussels, Nicola
:12:24. > :12:28.Sturgeon is in Brussels. She has gone to support Scotland's interest.
:12:29. > :12:31.He wanted to know if the premise had mentioned Scotland to other EU
:12:32. > :12:37.leaders. -- if the Prime Minister had mentioned. At the end of the
:12:38. > :12:41.day, the best way we can secure the best possible access for Scotland
:12:42. > :12:46.into the single market is for the United Kingdom to negotiate as hard
:12:47. > :12:50.as it can as one. Elsewhere in Westminster, the contenders to be
:12:51. > :12:55.the next Tory leader have begun to show their hand. Boris Johnson of
:12:56. > :12:58.course seems almost certain. But today the Work and Pensions
:12:59. > :13:00.Secretary Stephen Crabb and the Business Secretary Sajid Javid said
:13:01. > :13:07.they would challenge the blonde bombshell to be PM and hands were
:13:08. > :13:15.respectively. I love my country, I love my party, and I genuinely
:13:16. > :13:18.believe that what I stand for, the values I represent, the strengths
:13:19. > :13:24.that I bring, are exactly those that are required to get us through the
:13:25. > :13:27.challenges ahead. Stephen Crabb is first off the starting blocks. By
:13:28. > :13:30.this time tomorrow we will know who else is in the race.
:13:31. > :13:32.With me now from our London studio is our political
:13:33. > :13:41.It is all happening there. We will talk about labour in a moment, but
:13:42. > :13:46.on that Conservative leadership at all, who else can we expect to throw
:13:47. > :13:50.their hat in the ring? The nominations are open as you heard in
:13:51. > :13:57.the report, and close at noon tomorrow. Then we will find out the
:13:58. > :14:02.full list. Stephen Crabb will be one of the candidates. Liam Fox
:14:03. > :14:05.confirmed he was putting his hat in the ring as well. In the last few
:14:06. > :14:09.minutes we have had it confirmed that Theresa May, the Home
:14:10. > :14:13.Secretary, is going for the job. And also mentioned in the report there,
:14:14. > :14:16.Boris Johnson, somebody who number of people have tipped for a number
:14:17. > :14:21.of months now to take over from David Cameron. He will be launching
:14:22. > :14:25.his campaign tomorrow well. Because there are more than two candidates,
:14:26. > :14:34.the process becomes slightly cobbled idiot. So MPs -- slightly
:14:35. > :14:38.complicated. MPs will vote for who they want on a final short list of
:14:39. > :14:41.two, which will then go to the Conservative membership. The
:14:42. > :14:46.membership will choose who is the next women are a man to lead the
:14:47. > :14:54.party, and indeed the country as Prime Minister. -- the next women or
:14:55. > :14:57.man. We have seen some quite vicious blue on blue attacks, so I think
:14:58. > :15:03.tomorrow we will start to hear a lot more about how the potential leaders
:15:04. > :15:04.want to start to heal the wins of the referendum campaign and build
:15:05. > :15:17.bridges within the party again. And what about the Labour
:15:18. > :15:24.leadership? Is it clear that Angela Eagle will challenge for the
:15:25. > :15:28.leadership? She now fully intends to take Jeremy Corbyn on in a
:15:29. > :15:31.leadership election. This is a leadership election that could
:15:32. > :15:36.really be for the heart and soul of the future of the party. Today has
:15:37. > :15:43.been another extremely bruising day for Jeremy Corbyn and for the Labour
:15:44. > :15:51.Party. We have two former Labour leaders, Ed Miliband and Gorden
:15:52. > :15:57.Brown, who are saying they think his position is untenable. I have a
:15:58. > :16:02.letter here, including people from the Scottish Parliament and a number
:16:03. > :16:06.of local authorities who say he has to go. Not just for the good of the
:16:07. > :16:11.party, but also the good of the country that we need a stronger
:16:12. > :16:15.opposition in the House of Commons, holding the government to account.
:16:16. > :16:19.Tonight, Tom Watson has gone as far to warn that they face an
:16:20. > :16:24.existential crisis. Here is what he had to say earlier.
:16:25. > :16:30.I agree with Kezia Dugdale, who yesterday said if she had lost a
:16:31. > :16:35.motion of no confidence, she wouldn't be able to do her job. And
:16:36. > :16:42.I think that is true for Jeremy. It is a great tragedy, he does have a
:16:43. > :16:47.member's mandate, but those who joined know you need a Parliamentary
:16:48. > :16:49.mandate. You have to have the authority of members and
:16:50. > :16:58.members of Parliament. Mr Corbyn remains defiant snide. He thinks he
:16:59. > :17:07.has support of enough of the member ship. Councils across the UK are
:17:08. > :17:11.saying he could continue. Tonight he was at a rally in central London.
:17:12. > :17:17.Supporters from the leadership election were there last year. --
:17:18. > :17:21.from last year were there. I was honoured to be the Labour Party last
:17:22. > :17:25.year. I've done my best over this year to develop the policy changes
:17:26. > :17:29.we want and reach out to people in the way we want. And to recognise
:17:30. > :17:33.that there are many in the party you may not completely agree with the
:17:34. > :17:37.direction I want to take it. But I also recognise that the mandate was
:17:38. > :17:43.given by hundreds of thousands of ordinary people. So that continues
:17:44. > :17:48.tonight. And a sign of just how deep the divisions in the Labour Party
:17:49. > :17:52.are... There was open talk at Westminster about the party
:17:53. > :17:54.splitting. Between those who support Mr Corbyn and those who criticised
:17:55. > :17:57.him. Thank you very much. Now, after the heat and many
:17:58. > :17:59.would say, unpleasantness, of the EU referendum debate,
:18:00. > :18:02.the Irish President Michael Higgins was at Holyrood today,
:18:03. > :18:05.putting the case for a He talked to MSPs of
:18:06. > :18:09.the "thinly veiled hate and racism", which he saw
:18:10. > :18:11.emerging and highlighted the importance of immigration both
:18:12. > :18:17.to his country and to Scotland. President Higgins also urged
:18:18. > :18:20.continued cooperation Peter Geoghan is covering
:18:21. > :18:25.the President's visit to Scotland I spoke to him just
:18:26. > :18:33.before we came on air. The Irish government argued very
:18:34. > :18:37.strongly for Britain to remain in the EU. So how much concern is that
:18:38. > :18:42.now there is a vote to leave? I think there is a huge amount. There
:18:43. > :18:47.is worry and they looked at the polls to stay few weeks ago in a
:18:48. > :18:52.council meeting and they were vexed and angry and worry about there
:18:53. > :19:04.being a leave boat. They were concerned. 70% of our trade is with
:19:05. > :19:08.the UK. So there is a huge concern. The board implications for Northern
:19:09. > :19:15.Ireland. But also in the broader framework of the Irish economic
:19:16. > :19:22.unit. The UK and Ireland have always been seen. So this is the biggest
:19:23. > :19:25.rupture in relations since 1921. So how much concern is therefore
:19:26. > :19:30.Scotland's position in all of this? Are they more concerned about the UK
:19:31. > :19:36.as a whole evening? I think there is both. People in Ireland recognise
:19:37. > :19:40.the Scotland vote to stay. That has been loud and clear. It has been
:19:41. > :19:45.reported and Irish politicians have been speaking about it. If Scotland
:19:46. > :19:50.was to become independent, some say they would like to see at a fast
:19:51. > :19:54.tracked into the European Union. Enda Kenny was also speaking to
:19:55. > :19:58.Nicola Sturgeon. There is a huge awareness of the role of Scotland
:19:59. > :20:02.and the place of within it. And there is a change with the
:20:03. > :20:08.referendum. At that time, the Irish government were neutral. They didn't
:20:09. > :20:12.want to say anything that could be misconstrued. I do think they feel
:20:13. > :20:16.badly let down by the government in Westminster. I think they were given
:20:17. > :20:22.assurances that this wasn't going to happen. This damaging thing to
:20:23. > :20:27.island 's economy and a place in Europe wasn't going to happen. --
:20:28. > :20:33.the economy of Ireland. Being let down and almost resentment in
:20:34. > :20:38.Ireland that this has happened. We have seen in Brussels there has been
:20:39. > :20:43.anger towards the UK and warm words towards Scotland. Do you think that
:20:44. > :20:48.will endure? Or do you think Ireland will realise that trade is the most
:20:49. > :20:51.important thing? Within the wider scheme of European Union relations,
:20:52. > :20:59.Scotland and the UK have been proxies for internal battles. But I
:21:00. > :21:05.think with Ireland it is more enduring. I think there is a sense
:21:06. > :21:12.that there is a shared interest and I think the most important and
:21:13. > :21:17.properly Common travel area. The border is the biggest issue. It is
:21:18. > :21:27.going to be the only land border that the UK has with the European
:21:28. > :21:30.Union. Similarly for Scotland. If we are going to move towards a phase
:21:31. > :21:34.where Scotland might have a place within the European Union and the UK
:21:35. > :21:40.and independence, they are going to need a common tower area. That will
:21:41. > :21:46.be similar with Ireland. And I do think for both government there is a
:21:47. > :21:52.lot of opportunities to work together. -- a Common travel area.
:21:53. > :21:56.There has been a big increase in the way they work and I think we will
:21:57. > :22:03.see more about in the coming years. I guess we have seen some striking
:22:04. > :22:09.parallels between the Minister's position and Martin McGuinness. He
:22:10. > :22:12.was a very quick last Friday. When she was making her speech about the
:22:13. > :22:22.referendum being likely, he was talking about calling for border
:22:23. > :22:28.polls. It has to be seen as an expectation of winning. The poll
:22:29. > :22:32.showed support was between 20 and 25%. It is highly unlikely to
:22:33. > :22:34.happen. Thank you very much for coming in. Thank you for having me.
:22:35. > :22:37.Here to talk about all that's been happening in Brussels
:22:38. > :22:39.and Westminster, former editor of The Scotsman, Magnus Linklater.
:22:40. > :22:41.Also, the broadcaster and Green Party member Louise Batchelor.
:22:42. > :22:55.As we have seen Nicola Sturgeon was in Brussels today. She appeared
:22:56. > :22:59.pretty relaxed about Spain's intervention to her attempts to
:23:00. > :23:06.explore all the options for keeping Scotland in the EU. What did you
:23:07. > :23:10.think, Magnus, of her first day? Well, it was a charm offensive. I
:23:11. > :23:16.thought it was an effective charm offensive. Everybody seemed to be
:23:17. > :23:20.very nice to her. And she was, as she has said, making Scotland's
:23:21. > :23:25.case, which is probably what she has to do at this stage. Longer term,
:23:26. > :23:30.there were signs that that there are going to be difficulties ahead.
:23:31. > :23:36.Spain will object, as it always has to the notion of giving Scotland any
:23:37. > :23:39.sort of fast track. What appears to be hostile. But these are very early
:23:40. > :23:44.days and we simply do not know how the thing is going to pan out. Do
:23:45. > :23:48.you think that might simply be tough talk at this stage? They might
:23:49. > :23:53.soften up on this? I doubt if Spain world. I cannot see why Spain would
:23:54. > :23:57.suddenly sort of decided to give Scotland the go-ahead. So that is
:23:58. > :24:03.something she asked to accept that is going to be a problem. But there
:24:04. > :24:08.are so many other things that are in the air, not least Britain's own
:24:09. > :24:12.negotiations and how that pans out. But I think you cannot possibly
:24:13. > :24:17.predict how it's going to turn out. So many questions and very few
:24:18. > :24:20.answers at this stage, Louise. In exploring all the options, everybody
:24:21. > :24:27.seems to be agreed that that's the right thing to do. Have you seen any
:24:28. > :24:31.other option at the moment? Other than a second independence
:24:32. > :24:33.referendum, that might keep Scotland within the EU? I think the one that
:24:34. > :24:39.Nicola Sturgeon is exploring herself, which is that we don't have
:24:40. > :24:45.to leave, we just continue as a member, if that is in any way
:24:46. > :24:50.possible. But how? It does not seem to be impossible. We simply carry on
:24:51. > :24:55.being good Europeans. We see that we are going to abide by the European
:24:56. > :25:04.directives and by the current trade agreements that we follow. So we
:25:05. > :25:10.keep our side of the bargain and they keep theirs. If that isn't
:25:11. > :25:16.possible, if, in the end, Spain has its way. Spain is only one voice.
:25:17. > :25:20.And I think France... Fat isn't such a louder voice. President blonde is
:25:21. > :25:28.having to pander to his home electorate. -- Francois Hollande. --
:25:29. > :25:34.France isn't such a loud voice. He has to take a hard line against the
:25:35. > :25:39.UK's Brexit. But he is not for ever either and things will change there.
:25:40. > :25:43.So I do not think it is absolutely inevitable that we have is to go for
:25:44. > :25:48.independence again. But I think it is, as she says, highly likely. I
:25:49. > :25:54.think it is the right way. It is the cleanest thing we can do. You are
:25:55. > :26:06.looking sceptical that, Magnus. Yes. I am about carrying on as good
:26:07. > :26:09.Europeans and then morphing into Europe as it were. I do not think
:26:10. > :26:12.that will happen. I think... We could be like the Irish. I doubt it.
:26:13. > :26:15.I think what has got to happen is that sooner or later, she has do
:26:16. > :26:17.take a deep breath and say we have got to have an independence
:26:18. > :26:22.referendum, because it is clear that our only route into Europe is as an
:26:23. > :26:27.independent nation. That means quite a delay, quite a period during which
:26:28. > :26:32.we watch how Britain has negotiated and then come along and put our
:26:33. > :26:36.case. And that would be a very tricky proposition to be putting
:26:37. > :26:41.that question to the Scottish people at the same time as all of these
:26:42. > :26:48.negotiations. Yes, because you wouldn't know what they were being
:26:49. > :26:51.offered. They would be asked to vote on independence without knowing what
:26:52. > :26:58.the position in Europe would exactly be. This is where I beg to differ.
:26:59. > :27:02.Because I think the body language we have seen today in Brussels tells a
:27:03. > :27:06.new story. I think we have a game changer here. The kind of photo
:27:07. > :27:13.opportunity she got with Jean-Claude Juncker. That will be worth gold to
:27:14. > :27:18.Nicola Sturgeon. The warm reception she got, in stark contrast to the
:27:19. > :27:23.television pictures from the sceptical headlines we saw. The
:27:24. > :27:28.snubs and cold shoulders. This is an immense contrast to the world Alex
:27:29. > :27:32.Salmond never got, when he was trying to argue we could be
:27:33. > :27:36.independent within Europe. I think the doors are opening and we could
:27:37. > :27:40.be fast tracked and I think, I think, and would like to see this,
:27:41. > :27:44.that Europe could say these are the kind of terms and kind of conditions
:27:45. > :27:49.we could offer. There's another proposition that I would like to
:27:50. > :27:57.put, however, and that is about Britain's negotiations or rather the
:27:58. > :27:59.rest of the UK's negotiations. Against all expectations, say they
:28:00. > :28:03.go quite well and Britain manages to negotiate a Norwegian style
:28:04. > :28:08.relationship with Europe, they maintain membership of the single
:28:09. > :28:12.market. And that looks quite a settled state. Would Scots be so
:28:13. > :28:19.keen on independence then, rather than having let's say a Boris
:28:20. > :28:24.Johnson led government, it might be a Stephen Crabb led government, who
:28:25. > :28:29.is Scottish born by the way, working class etc. And then suddenly England
:28:30. > :28:35.and Wales don't seem such a hostile territory after all. I think you are
:28:36. > :28:40.being perhaps over optimistic. All the language... I am saying it is a
:28:41. > :28:46.possibility. The Norwegian style agreement would require freedom of
:28:47. > :28:53.movement. The message south of the border that has come loud and clear
:28:54. > :28:58.is that they do not want that. We are almost out of time. I do not
:28:59. > :29:04.want to go without talking about the Labour Party's trouble. We hear
:29:05. > :29:07.Angela Eagle is throwing her hat in the ring and challenging Jeremy
:29:08. > :29:12.Corbyn. Do you think this is the beginning of a split in the Labour
:29:13. > :29:18.Party? I think everyone is saying that. There seems to be a split,
:29:19. > :29:23.because if it goes into a leadership election, there are those who think
:29:24. > :29:28.he should remain. I do not think how they can avoid a deep split. I think
:29:29. > :29:33.it is on the leaderboard. If they keep changing leader and nothing
:29:34. > :29:39.gets better, at the very moment when they could be united against the
:29:40. > :29:44.Tories who are going to face a very damaging leadership election, when
:29:45. > :29:49.they should be standing up for the country, they have -- are falling
:29:50. > :29:51.apart. -- unleadable. I'm back again tomorrow
:29:52. > :29:55.night, usual time. 'will take you on the most
:29:56. > :30:42.ambitious train series ever. 'On board will be
:30:43. > :30:45.the nation's leading experts 'and presenters,
:30:46. > :30:49.Peter Snow and Hannah Fry.