:00:22. > :00:25.The blond bombshell knifed in the back by his
:00:26. > :00:31.Boris Johnson's ambitions to lead the country tonight lie in tatters.
:00:32. > :00:38.Michael Gove is to run for Tory party leader
:00:39. > :00:43.after declaring his fellow Leave campaigner unfit for the job.
:00:44. > :00:45.If we're to have a second independence referendum,
:00:46. > :00:48.it should be held by next summer, one expert tells MSPs.
:00:49. > :01:08.What's to become of the people who've made Scotland their home?
:01:09. > :01:11.He led the country to Brexit, now he's walking away.
:01:12. > :01:14.Boris Johnson dramatically dropped out of the Tory leadership race
:01:15. > :01:20.The support he thought he could depend on, from his close
:01:21. > :01:22.Leave campaign ally Michael Gove, had suddenly evaporated.
:01:23. > :01:25.Mr Gove said that Boris Johnson wasn't up to the job
:01:26. > :01:27.and threw his own hat in the ring instead.
:01:28. > :01:30.As acts of treachery go, it doesn't get more brutal.
:01:31. > :01:31.Our Westminster correspondent Nick Eardley has been following
:01:32. > :01:51.A day at Westminster, fit for even the most improbable of political
:01:52. > :01:56.dramas. The closest of allies on the referendum campaign trail just a
:01:57. > :02:00.week ago. Now, one has turned on the other and decided that he is best
:02:01. > :02:05.traced to assume the highest political office. Michael Gove had
:02:06. > :02:09.been expected to run Boris Johnson's campaign to be the next Prime
:02:10. > :02:14.Minister. But doubts were first raised after a leaked e-mail from Mr
:02:15. > :02:24.Gove's wife. Very important that we now focus on the individual
:02:25. > :02:29.obstacles... Then a political move even with Frank Underwood would have
:02:30. > :02:32.been proud of. Boris has great attributes. He was not capable of
:02:33. > :02:36.uniting that team and leading the party and the country in the way
:02:37. > :02:39.that I would have hoped. That left his close ally's campaign in
:02:40. > :02:46.terminal decline. Having consulted colleagues, and in view of the
:02:47. > :02:51.circumstances in Parliament, I have concluded that person cannot be me.
:02:52. > :02:58.So who is standing in this political soap opera? Mr Gove, raised in
:02:59. > :03:02.Aberdeen, was a divisive figure as Education Secretary. But a
:03:03. > :03:06.passionate advocate of Brexit. The other favourite is Theresa May, the
:03:07. > :03:12.longest serving Home Secretary since the 19th-century. A soft kept a low
:03:13. > :03:17.profile during the referendum campaign. Another Scot in the frame
:03:18. > :03:22.is Liam Fox, the former Defence Secretary. He was a keen advocate of
:03:23. > :03:27.leaving the EU. There is also Inverness born Stephen Crabb. Ruth
:03:28. > :03:32.Davidson is a fan, though she is yet to back anyone. And Andrea Leadsom,
:03:33. > :03:36.the Economic Secretary to the Treasury and a staunch backer of
:03:37. > :03:39.leaving. The lines between political friends and enemies, increasingly
:03:40. > :03:44.blurred in Westminster's new political reality. The race for
:03:45. > :03:46.power still has plenty of twists and turns to come.
:03:47. > :03:48.Joining me now in our London studio is Isabel Hardman
:03:49. > :03:50.from the Spectator and, in Edinburgh, Simon Johnson,
:03:51. > :03:56.the political editor for the Daily Telegraph.
:03:57. > :04:03.Welcome to both of you this evening. Quite an extraordinary turn of
:04:04. > :04:07.events today. Talk us through it, what is the story between Boris
:04:08. > :04:10.Johnson and Michael Gove, how did this happen? This was such a
:04:11. > :04:14.surprise to so many people in Westminster, including Boris
:04:15. > :04:17.Johnson, who Michael Gove did not speak to before he made his
:04:18. > :04:21.extraordinary announcement this morning, that he did not think Boris
:04:22. > :04:25.was fit to be Conservative Party leader, and that he, Michael Gove,
:04:26. > :04:28.who has said so many times that he does not think he is the right
:04:29. > :04:33.person to be Tory leader and does not want the job, was going to stand
:04:34. > :04:37.instead. This left the Boris camp with such little time to work out
:04:38. > :04:42.what to do. The deadline for nominations was noon. And so Boris
:04:43. > :04:46.ended up conceding that he could not stand, minutes before that deadline.
:04:47. > :04:51.Well, Simon, we saw earlier this week Boris Johnson in your
:04:52. > :04:56.newspaper, actually, setting out his stall. But some are suggesting he
:04:57. > :05:03.had been backpedalling - is that what this is all about? Well, I
:05:04. > :05:07.think he has some seeds of his destruction, and what happened
:05:08. > :05:10.today, in that column. He seemed to row back quite heavily on
:05:11. > :05:16.restricting freedom of movement. The column was also very much in favour
:05:17. > :05:19.of the single market. I think a lot of Brexiteers will have read that
:05:20. > :05:24.and got extremely concerned, including it seems Michael Gove. It
:05:25. > :05:29.just seems such as a Kabul around, in such a short space of time. A lot
:05:30. > :05:33.of people are finding it hard to believe this was not planned a long
:05:34. > :05:37.time in advance? There are lots of conspiracy theories going around the
:05:38. > :05:41.Tory party. Some suggest that this isn't something to do with the
:05:42. > :05:45.Murdoch press. Others suggest it is something to do with George Osborne.
:05:46. > :05:50.Often what happens in Westminster is down to mistakes rather than
:05:51. > :05:54.conspiracies. But this does seem very sad and indeed. I suspect there
:05:55. > :05:58.are a lot of people around Boris Johnson who are quite keen to go to
:05:59. > :06:01.war with Michael Gove on this. It makes the Conservative leadership
:06:02. > :06:04.contest a very bitter one indeed, when the party is trying to come
:06:05. > :06:09.back together after the referendum. A lot of people not hands of Boris
:06:10. > :06:13.Johnson anyway. He tends to be a little bit of Marmite. Ruth
:06:14. > :06:18.Davidson, no secret that she was no firm. She must eat pretty delighted
:06:19. > :06:25.he has dropped out? Yes, I think she is very pleased indeed. Along with
:06:26. > :06:28.several of the figures at the top of the Scottish Tories, I think they
:06:29. > :06:34.were appalled at the way Boris conducted himself and the manner in
:06:35. > :06:36.way which he came out for the league side and in which he treated David
:06:37. > :06:42.Cameron. Also I think they thought he would be toxic in terms of their
:06:43. > :06:46.parties status in Scotland. They did not think he would be able to unite
:06:47. > :06:51.the country after an extremely divisive Brexit folk. They thought
:06:52. > :06:55.that a Johnson premiership would basically push Scots towards
:06:56. > :06:58.independence. But of course, this is pretty disastrous for them, straight
:06:59. > :07:03.off the back of the strong showing in the May elections - they cannot
:07:04. > :07:06.be pleased only absolutely. I interviewed Ruth Davidson the day
:07:07. > :07:10.after those elections, and she said the Tories are on probation in
:07:11. > :07:16.Scotland. I don't know what happens now. I think a lot of unionist
:07:17. > :07:21.voters who gave them another chance in that election will be absolutely
:07:22. > :07:25.furious. Basically a Tory civil war, putting the United Kingdom at risk.
:07:26. > :07:30.They will be hopping mad. Ruth Davidson has got a hell of a job to
:07:31. > :07:35.repair that trust with them. Isobel Hulsmann, you are nodding. In the
:07:36. > :07:38.midst of all of the economic uncertainty, among the five
:07:39. > :07:43.candidates, how large will Scotland be looming in their mind, preserving
:07:44. > :07:47.the union? -- Isabel Hardman. I think it is a big worry for all of
:07:48. > :07:51.them. The one who has articulated this the most strongly is Stephen
:07:52. > :07:54.Crabb, who we suspect Ruth Davidson will back at some point. When he
:07:55. > :07:58.launched his leadership campaign guessed that they, and spoke about
:07:59. > :08:02.the fact that he was born in Scotland, but also is worried about
:08:03. > :08:07.the United Kingdom fracturing after the referendum. It is something he
:08:08. > :08:10.has long been interested in, how to bring the United Kingdom back
:08:11. > :08:16.together and preserve the union. Feels he is the person qualified to
:08:17. > :08:19.understand how to do that. Are you getting any indication down there
:08:20. > :08:24.that anybody is really thinking seriously moment, talking about
:08:25. > :08:29.post-Brexit negotiations, about Scotland's interests? I think the
:08:30. > :08:33.party is in such torn oil at the moment that it is difficult for
:08:34. > :08:38.anyone to think seriously. -- such turmoil. I think they have focused
:08:39. > :08:41.more on the detail of the Brexit negotiations down on the really,
:08:42. > :08:45.really important task of keeping the union together and dealing with the
:08:46. > :08:50.fact that Nicola Sturgeon is really seizing the opportunity which is
:08:51. > :08:55.coming following the referendum result. Simon, now we know who the
:08:56. > :08:59.five candidates are, David Mundell has already declared for Theresa May
:09:00. > :09:07.- any indication of who Ruth Davidson might be supporting? Roof
:09:08. > :09:11.has said that she is not going to declare who she is supporting until
:09:12. > :09:17.the field has been narrowed down to two. You can understand that,
:09:18. > :09:21.because she will have to work with whoever the victorious candidate is.
:09:22. > :09:25.She is known to be close to Stephen Crabb, and his approach would
:09:26. > :09:29.dovetail with hers, in trying to reach out to blue-collar voters.
:09:30. > :09:35.Stephen Crabb, born in Inverness, raised in Wales, had a difficult
:09:36. > :09:39.upbringing. He is very keen to branch out Tory support to the
:09:40. > :09:44.working classes are in the same way that we have seen Ruth Davidson
:09:45. > :09:47.succeed in doing up here. Isabel Hardman, I'm sure after the week we
:09:48. > :09:53.have had, you might be wary of making predictions, but who do you
:09:54. > :09:57.think will emerge with Tories? Well, really I don't want to make any
:09:58. > :09:59.protections at all, but I have a hunch, and lots of Conservatives
:10:00. > :10:04.have been saying this to me today, that there is a chance we may end up
:10:05. > :10:09.with an all-female final round. When the two candidates who go out to the
:10:10. > :10:14.membership go out, it could be Theresa May and Andrea Leadsom.
:10:15. > :10:16.There are a number of former Boris supporters who are considering
:10:17. > :10:22.switching to Andrea Leadsom, because they cannot quite stomach trusting
:10:23. > :10:27.Michael Gove after what he has done to Boris. They want to support
:10:28. > :10:32.someone, however, who campaigned for Leave. And Simon? I think Theresa
:10:33. > :10:35.May, probably. I think there is too much blood on Michael Gove's hands
:10:36. > :10:38.were so my money would be on Theresa May.
:10:39. > :10:41.Now to Holyrood, and the First Minister has accused
:10:42. > :10:44.the Conservatives of bringing Scotland and the UK to the brink
:10:45. > :10:48.The Tory leader Ruth Davidson said Scottish trade with the rest
:10:49. > :10:56.of the UK was more important than EU links.
:10:57. > :11:02.Scottish Conservatives do not want Brexit to lead to a second
:11:03. > :11:04.referendum on Scottish independence. Their leader wants the First
:11:05. > :11:08.Minister to work with the UK Government on getting a deal with
:11:09. > :11:12.the EU. A cursory acknowledgement of the importance of the UK market to
:11:13. > :11:18.Scotland, because she should recognise it. Our exports to the EU
:11:19. > :11:23.are worth ?11 billion. Our exports to the UK are worth ?48 billion. The
:11:24. > :11:27.UK single market is four times more important to our firms here in
:11:28. > :11:35.Scotland, and it is underpinned by our shared currency and our free
:11:36. > :11:38.Borders. If Ruth Davidson and her Conservative colleagues had thought
:11:39. > :11:41.it was so vitally important to protect what we have now, the
:11:42. > :11:44.question for her and her Conservative colleagues is, why did
:11:45. > :11:48.they propose a referendum which put all of that on the line? Why have
:11:49. > :11:53.they brought not just Scotland but the UK to the brink of economic
:11:54. > :11:57.disaster? Meanwhile, Scottish Labour say they back the Government's
:11:58. > :12:00.efforts to protect Scotland's interests but they called on Nicola
:12:01. > :12:06.Sturgeon to publish any legal advice in negotiations. People deserve to
:12:07. > :12:09.know, they need to know, what's going happen next. This is not about
:12:10. > :12:16.dragging up the arguments of the past. It is about our country's
:12:17. > :12:19.future. So, will the First Minister publish the legal advice she
:12:20. > :12:23.receives? I am determined to be as open and as frank not just with this
:12:24. > :12:28.Parliament but with the people of Scotland, as I can be. The decisions
:12:29. > :12:33.we might be confronted I want to be decisions we face up to and take in
:12:34. > :12:38.a unified way. Transparency and openness is absolutely paramount to
:12:39. > :12:41.that. I stopped short, as I will do again today, in saying that the
:12:42. > :12:45.Government will publish every single piece of advice which we ever get.
:12:46. > :12:48.Particularly when negotiations are at stake, I don't think that would
:12:49. > :12:53.be a sensible thing for any government to do. Adam Tomkins
:12:54. > :12:59.sought clarity from the First Minister on whether or not Holyrood
:13:00. > :13:02.can block Brexit. The impression was given over the weekend that this
:13:03. > :13:07.Parliament has the power to block or veto the United Kingdom's departure
:13:08. > :13:11.from the European Union. Does the First Minister agree with me that as
:13:12. > :13:15.a matter of law, we have no such power? My view is clear. Legislative
:13:16. > :13:21.consent to take us out of Europe would be required. I have never
:13:22. > :13:28.suggested that the impact of that would be more than it actually is.
:13:29. > :13:32.But I do believe that a UK Government which was seeking to act
:13:33. > :13:35.in devolved areas against the express we love this Parliament
:13:36. > :13:40.would in an even further way be taking itself into constitutional
:13:41. > :13:43.uncharted territory. Two they might have mark the end of the
:13:44. > :13:47.Parliamentary session, because when it comes to negotiating Scotland's
:13:48. > :13:49.place in Europe, clearly, it is just the beginning.
:13:50. > :13:52.Well, this morning MSPs on the European and External
:13:53. > :13:54.Relations Committee heard evidence from a range of experts
:13:55. > :13:57.about Scotland's position following the Brexit vote.
:13:58. > :14:00.One of them is a former senior adviser to the European Commission,
:14:01. > :14:03.Dr Kirsty Hughes, and she joins me now from Edinburgh.
:14:04. > :14:13.Good evening. Lots of talk over the last few days about exploring
:14:14. > :14:19.options. Can you see any option for Scotland staying in the EU, short of
:14:20. > :14:25.independence? I think the simplest and easiest way to stay fully in the
:14:26. > :14:29.EU is if we are an independent state. The question whether there
:14:30. > :14:34.are other options, which Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to
:14:35. > :14:37.explore, she has set up a committee to advise her, I think is
:14:38. > :14:42.interesting and tricky. I think if it is a question of, could Scotland
:14:43. > :14:47.stay in the single market while England maybe has a lighter, free
:14:48. > :14:50.trade deal with the EU? That's worth exploring. It might be tricky.
:14:51. > :14:55.Scotland would have to have free movement with the EU if it was in
:14:56. > :14:59.the single market. But if England was doing a Canada-style trade deal,
:15:00. > :15:04.it wouldn't. What would that do for the border between England and
:15:05. > :15:08.Scotland? What about if the goods and industry and services are done
:15:09. > :15:13.on a different basis? It may be possible to come up with options,
:15:14. > :15:16.but it might be that you will come up with a number of problems which
:15:17. > :15:23.might make it quite tricky to operate or not feasible. Is there
:15:24. > :15:26.any reason that Scotland couldn't simply be the successor state? So
:15:27. > :15:31.that when the rest of the UK leaves, Scotland stays? Think that is
:15:32. > :15:36.something some people have talked about - could there be some kind of
:15:37. > :15:41.legal fix, so that even though the rest of the UK would presumably be
:15:42. > :15:45.the successor state in the United Nations or the IMF, say, that
:15:46. > :15:49.Scotland could do that in the EU. That might mean you don't have to
:15:50. > :15:53.have accession negotiations. I think that's probably very difficult.
:15:54. > :15:56.Certainly I do not really see how Scotland could be the successor
:15:57. > :16:02.state unless it had gone independent in the first place. So it is not
:16:03. > :16:06.like the Greenland option or the east Germany example. It would have
:16:07. > :16:10.to have gone independent, but it would have to have the agreement of
:16:11. > :16:14.the rest of the UK and Brussels as well, for that. And also some people
:16:15. > :16:17.think that if it was the successor state, it would keep all the UK's
:16:18. > :16:23.current opt-outs, which I think is highly unlikely. The 27 will not
:16:24. > :16:28.want to see a publication of all the opt-outs, the semidetached nature of
:16:29. > :16:32.the current EU, sorry, the current UK relationship with the EU.
:16:33. > :16:37.Obviously, the timing in all of this would be important - if it would be
:16:38. > :16:41.important for Scotland to be independent, if there was any
:16:42. > :16:45.possibility of being the successor state, that would all have to be in
:16:46. > :16:52.train, presumably, before the UK left?
:16:53. > :16:59.I think if and when Scotland decided in the referendum to be independent
:17:00. > :17:05.and negotiated that with the UK, at that point the rest of the EU would
:17:06. > :17:11.be perfectly ready to consider it becoming a member state. The problem
:17:12. > :17:14.is that that is where Stott and months ago it doesn't want to go
:17:15. > :17:19.through all the years are problems of coming out of the EE with the UK
:17:20. > :17:23.and then negotiate to go back in. If you look at the muddle in the last
:17:24. > :17:27.week over how the UK will exit, when it will trigger article 50, what
:17:28. > :17:30.sort of deal and how long it will take, that is difficult enough but
:17:31. > :17:33.why would Scotland go through that if it was sure it wanted to stay in?
:17:34. > :17:38.There will be some sort of transitional deal done as long has
:17:39. > :17:44.Scotland had shown it was independent before the UK left so
:17:45. > :17:48.there will be a lot of focus on timing and ways that Scotland could
:17:49. > :17:53.stay in but some people may decide that that is too risky, you need to
:17:54. > :17:57.wait longer before you have a second independence referendum. What would
:17:58. > :18:02.your advice be in terms of getting a move on? If the First Minister was
:18:03. > :18:08.to decide a second independence referendum was the only option, when
:18:09. > :18:11.do you think we could have it? I think in terms of the EU side of
:18:12. > :18:14.this I can't recommend when the best moment in terms of the politics and
:18:15. > :18:21.public opinion in Scotland but in terms of the EU side, once we have a
:18:22. > :18:24.new Tory Prime Minister out of the leadership campaign in the
:18:25. > :18:28.Conservative Party, we will have a much better idea of when the article
:18:29. > :18:32.15 negotiations for the UK to leave the EU will start. My guess is they
:18:33. > :18:36.will start by the end of the year, they have a two-year deadline, so
:18:37. > :18:41.the working assumption could be that the UK will be out of the EU by the
:18:42. > :18:46.start of January 20 19. If Scotland wanted to not just have held an
:18:47. > :18:50.independence referendum but have had the subsequent negotiations with the
:18:51. > :18:54.UK to become independent, the SNP said in the last referendum that
:18:55. > :19:01.would be 18 months, that means a referendum next year. That would be
:19:02. > :19:04.the best approach in terms of staying seamlessly in the EU. There
:19:05. > :19:07.is still a problem there in the sense that even if it had done all
:19:08. > :19:11.that it would need an accession treaty with the EU member states,
:19:12. > :19:14.they would take a couple of years to ratify. There will have to be a
:19:15. > :19:19.transitional fudge potentially at some point but with goodwill which
:19:20. > :19:25.it has the moment from the EU, it is often very good at that sort of
:19:26. > :19:30.fudge. Just briefly,... I just lost my inner peace. Right. Thanks very
:19:31. > :19:34.much. And sorry about that. We'll have to leave it there.
:19:35. > :19:36.Well, the question of what will happen to EU citizens living
:19:37. > :19:39.here when Britain leaves was raised by the Greens' Patrick
:19:40. > :19:44.He urged the Scottish Government to do more to help those worried
:19:45. > :19:49.Our reporter John McManus has been talking to people from across
:19:50. > :19:53.the European Union who have chosen to settle in Scotland
:19:54. > :20:05.The Spitfire, one of the iconic aircraft of all World War II. This
:20:06. > :20:08.model hanging in Kelvingrove art gallery didn't see action during the
:20:09. > :20:11.conflict though but rather in the years immediately afterwards. The
:20:12. > :20:14.idea is that European nations might come together to trade and move
:20:15. > :20:19.really across the continent were still on the drawing board. Much as
:20:20. > :20:24.changes then, of course, but the question is has Friday referendum
:20:25. > :20:30.vote brought that chapter on free European move on to an end? It's not
:20:31. > :20:34.just a theoretical worry for the 60,000 EU nationals who live in
:20:35. > :20:39.Scotland. Sylvia is one of those. She has lived in Glasgow for 12
:20:40. > :20:43.years, time she is Ben sets setting up a business and raising a family.
:20:44. > :20:48.It was easy in some respects because of free movement. So how does she
:20:49. > :20:54.feel when she woke up to the result of the youth vote? I was thinking
:20:55. > :20:58.what is good at them, will I have two pack my stuff and leave? I
:20:59. > :21:05.can't. I have a house, two kids, a job, a business, I can't just pack
:21:06. > :21:10.might suitcase and go like I arrived 12 years ago. I am in a different
:21:11. > :21:15.situation. Can you understand as a German living in Scotland for 12
:21:16. > :21:18.years why some people might be concerned about immigration which
:21:19. > :21:29.was one of the big themes of this referendum campaign? No. No. No.
:21:30. > :21:34.British people have the right to go where ever they feel fit and within
:21:35. > :21:42.Europe and other European people have the same right. No, this
:21:43. > :21:45.mindset I don't understand. At all. Sylvia searches disappointed in the
:21:46. > :21:50.referendum results and friends have approached her to say how sorry they
:21:51. > :21:54.are. Other German acquaintances and nervous now too. They wonder if and
:21:55. > :21:58.when they might have to say our leaders aim to Scotland. Younger
:21:59. > :22:01.Europeans have now acquired a taste for living and working across
:22:02. > :22:05.several different countries. Something they won't want to give
:22:06. > :22:10.up. I was there that are more European than Polish because of the
:22:11. > :22:16.fact that I been living abroad before coming to the UK. I think
:22:17. > :22:22.that made me more European and that made me appreciate the fact that we
:22:23. > :22:26.are an eclectic collective of nationalities and together we can
:22:27. > :22:29.achieve greater things. Free movement of people is one thing but
:22:30. > :22:34.EU membership also allows free movement of goods. Full Scots who
:22:35. > :22:39.have gotten used to a more diverse Mediterranean diet perhaps perhaps
:22:40. > :22:43.they will be about the joke and a food accorded this Greek restaurant.
:22:44. > :22:51.I have a family business back home with my brothers and my dad so we
:22:52. > :22:59.bring a lot of herbs, olive oil, now if we have to pay tax is increase
:23:00. > :23:06.the cost. We buy a lot of fresh for instance vegetables from Holland,
:23:07. > :23:14.Spain, it will increase the price as well. All that has the reflect on
:23:15. > :23:18.the menu. George does believe that the UK will still keep supping at
:23:19. > :23:20.the EU table. Others are worried it could be last orders.
:23:21. > :23:23.Joining me now to discuss all of this and more is David Leask
:23:24. > :23:25.from the Herald and Professor of Social Policy at the University
:23:26. > :23:41.Just sticking with that story, when you hear the reflections and from
:23:42. > :23:46.the Brexit vote of EU citizens actually living here, what you think
:23:47. > :23:52.about the situation they been left in? They must be feeling it in the
:23:53. > :23:56.gut. People are chosen to live here and feel passionate about this place
:23:57. > :24:00.than some of us who have been born here. They feel passionate about
:24:01. > :24:03.being in Scotland and the UK, they've made a choice and suddenly
:24:04. > :24:09.that choice is negated. Do you think things have naturally become more
:24:10. > :24:13.difficult for them? Both anecdotal evidence and some of the stats that
:24:14. > :24:19.were seeing on the rise of hate crime to indicate that. I have my
:24:20. > :24:23.e-mail full of EU students worried about them being asked to leave
:24:24. > :24:27.before their funding runs out or wouldn't be able to take up
:24:28. > :24:30.positions here. Colleagues as well who are working at the university
:24:31. > :24:38.sector are worried about having to leave. These are possibly not real
:24:39. > :24:43.fears and nothing could realistically happen within two or
:24:44. > :24:47.three years but the mood has changed and how welcome they feel has
:24:48. > :24:50.changed significantly. And presumably this concern about
:24:51. > :24:53.research funding as well. There is absolutely certain about research
:24:54. > :24:57.funding and this is one reason amongst many why academics are very
:24:58. > :25:02.much opposed to the Brexit idea. The free movement of people but also
:25:03. > :25:05.ideas and funding is what keeps our universities in the world league.
:25:06. > :25:12.The idea that that might stop is not just about money but about ideas and
:25:13. > :25:14.the way in which Scottish universities have this outward focus
:25:15. > :25:19.and strong winds within Europe and there's a lot of uncertainty about
:25:20. > :25:21.what will happen to those now. Seeing the runners and riders
:25:22. > :25:28.shaping up today for the Tory leadership contest whether EU
:25:29. > :25:33.citizens can feel any Moret assured about the place here. In the UK. I
:25:34. > :25:38.agree with the professor. The likelihood is they will be able to
:25:39. > :25:41.stay but they must tell the aware of the sentiment surrounding them. In
:25:42. > :25:45.Scotland we often think because we haven't got a big anti-immigration
:25:46. > :25:50.party or they won't do well that we don't have racist xenophobic
:25:51. > :25:55.sentiment in our country. They will begin catching people who say things
:25:56. > :25:58.like I'm not racist but... Them gypsies. People here that and that
:25:59. > :26:02.must make you nervous regardless of who's in Holyrood and Westminster.
:26:03. > :26:07.We saw some and raising in the chamber today the issue of
:26:08. > :26:12.anti-immigrant leaflets appearing around Glasgow. Do you think this is
:26:13. > :26:15.something to be worried about? It's part of that mood that's been
:26:16. > :26:18.created, the forces of xenophobia that have been unleashed by the
:26:19. > :26:22.referendum which may prove to be more powerful than the referendum
:26:23. > :26:24.itself. Setting the United Kingdom and the course towards a kind of
:26:25. > :26:30.politics that is really unattractive. Identity redoes
:26:31. > :26:35.reflects the broad consensus of opinion but it doesn't need to
:26:36. > :26:39.reflect the broad consensus. To create a toxic atmosphere and create
:26:40. > :26:45.an atmosphere of fear. Now that the dust has settled, it's hard to
:26:46. > :26:51.believe it was only a week ago. We were sitting there being told that
:26:52. > :26:54.remain had just picked it and people went to bed thinking that was the
:26:55. > :26:57.result and woke up to a leave vote the next morning. Now that the dust
:26:58. > :27:02.has settled, it's all starting to sink in, what you think about the
:27:03. > :27:07.situation particularly in Scotland? I don't think the dust has settled
:27:08. > :27:12.and identity will forever long time. I'm a journalist and journalist with
:27:13. > :27:18.the things with a strange way, at the cab last Thursday and they were
:27:19. > :27:22.saying we will won't remain but Brexit is a big story. It's a bigger
:27:23. > :27:27.story of our careers. That's no good thing but the dust has unsettled and
:27:28. > :27:31.I think that looking at the way in which the rest of Europe is reacting
:27:32. > :27:36.I think suddenly Scotland is seen as a different sort of a players. I was
:27:37. > :27:40.in Rome in the aftermath of the vote, I watched the England verbal
:27:41. > :27:46.game and a big screen in the centre of Rome and there were locals
:27:47. > :27:49.shouting that for Brexit! Sentiment has changed in Europe and the role
:27:50. > :27:54.of Scotland in Europe has changed. The people no longer see the UK as a
:27:55. > :27:59.monolithic lump and realise it is a family of nations and a family that
:28:00. > :28:05.isn't getting on very well just now. Changing politics here again when
:28:06. > :28:08.you thought it was all settled down. It is interesting times to be a
:28:09. > :28:14.sociable as the academic. But Chinese curse! It is also an
:28:15. > :28:19.interesting watching direction of Europe because that's an indication
:28:20. > :28:23.of what the reaction to the wrecked west of the UK might be like if a
:28:24. > :28:28.second referendum was one. Somebody I expected things have come up. The
:28:29. > :28:33.this one is that the person who is being left is not very happy about
:28:34. > :28:37.being left. This idea that if you left the UK that you would still
:28:38. > :28:39.have very good trading relationships and political and economic
:28:40. > :28:46.relationships with the rest of the UK is thrown into question by that.
:28:47. > :28:50.I think also Alan Smith standing ovation in the European Parliament
:28:51. > :28:55.shows there is a strong feeling of goodwill towards Scotland and
:28:56. > :28:59.towards those possibly Northern Ireland and London as well. Those
:29:00. > :29:04.parts of the UK voters strongly to in the EU. There is no precedent for
:29:05. > :29:08.this. There is nothing to say that Scotland can't become the part of
:29:09. > :29:16.the negotiations, nothing to say that the we will even end up leaving
:29:17. > :29:22.the EU. We may well remain in the EU but when we see it on a political
:29:23. > :29:25.turbulence at a time for really good leaders to step up.
:29:26. > :29:27.That's it for tonight and for this week.
:29:28. > :29:31.As the Scottish Parliament goes into recess, so we too are taking
:29:32. > :29:37.With the political landscape changing by the hour,
:29:38. > :29:39.who knows how things will look when we come back?
:29:40. > :29:41.Until then, thanks very much for watching.
:29:42. > :30:06.MUSIC: What A Wonderful World by Joey Ramone
:30:07. > :30:22.# I see trees of green... # Just look at that.
:30:23. > :30:26.The world we live in is beautiful to look at