:00:00. > :00:00.The UK Government says it wants a "national consensus" on how
:00:07. > :00:35.Back from our summer break and it's still all about Brexit.
:00:36. > :00:38.The First Minister says she'll try to work with like-minded
:00:39. > :00:44.politicians across the UK to try to stay in the single market.
:00:45. > :00:47.As the Commons gets back down to business, the new Minister
:00:48. > :00:51.for Brexit says he wants better trade deals but that should come
:00:52. > :00:59.So just how much influence will Scotland have?
:01:00. > :01:02.We hear from the new minister whose job it will be to negotiate
:01:03. > :01:17.But are we any closer to figuring out what exactly that means?
:01:18. > :01:19.Anyone hoping for more clarity from the Prime Minister might
:01:20. > :01:27.There won't be any attempt to backtrack on leaving the EU,
:01:28. > :01:33.And there won't be a points-based system for controlling EU migration.
:01:34. > :01:35.Well, Nicola Sturgeon has been talking to our political editor,
:01:36. > :01:39.Brian Taylor, about her hopes for the negotiation process.
:01:40. > :01:42.He asked her whether, if the UK remained a member
:01:43. > :01:45.of the single market, she would accept there might need
:01:46. > :02:00.I think freedom of movement is really important. We talk about it
:02:01. > :02:05.as being one of the four pillars of the EU but in a Scottish context it
:02:06. > :02:09.is important for more tangible reasons than the founding
:02:10. > :02:14.constitution of the EU. We are a country that has an imperative to
:02:15. > :02:19.grow our working age population in order to deal with skills gaps and
:02:20. > :02:24.keep our economy growing, so any moves that choke off our ability to
:02:25. > :02:28.get the best skills and talent from across the EU will be damaging to
:02:29. > :02:33.our economy. And that is a really important part of the wider economic
:02:34. > :02:37.debate. But can you understand the argument from the other side?
:02:38. > :02:40.Britain voted to leave the EU and you are trying to replicate the EU.
:02:41. > :02:46.You don't want to give away anything. Forgive me but I'm the
:02:47. > :02:50.first minister for Scotland and most people voted to stay in the EU.
:02:51. > :02:55.Anybody that thinks as first minister I turn my back on that and
:02:56. > :03:00.say, regardless of... You know, it's not just the democratic argument,
:03:01. > :03:03.but regardless of the damage having that decision ignored will do to our
:03:04. > :03:10.economy and I'm just going to shrug my shoulders, that's not the kind of
:03:11. > :03:14.minister I am. But going into the UK negotiations saying, we want to be
:03:15. > :03:18.in the single market, that's not going to happen. I don't think the
:03:19. > :03:23.UK position is particularly realistic and I don't think it ever
:03:24. > :03:27.has been. One of those key choices will be, is membership of the single
:03:28. > :03:33.market for hard economic reasons more important to us, for reasons
:03:34. > :03:39.that I think in many respects are not well founded, they are just the
:03:40. > :03:43.right of free movement? That's one of the things the UK Government will
:03:44. > :03:48.have to decide which side of that fence it is on. All the signals are
:03:49. > :03:52.it will prioritise restricting free movement and I think that's a
:03:53. > :03:59.mistake, and I have to honestly argue that case. You've put those
:04:00. > :04:05.two points firmly forward. I respect that Scotland didn't vote this way.
:04:06. > :04:10.Theresa May has a mandate in the UK to remove the UK from the EU. I
:04:11. > :04:13.disagree with it but I don't argue with it. It is much more
:04:14. > :04:19.questionable that she has a clear mandate to take the EU out of the
:04:20. > :04:22.single market, because both in the Remain campaigned and League
:04:23. > :04:27.campaign, key figures made the case that voting to leave the EU did not
:04:28. > :04:34.automatically mean leaving the single market. -- Leave. I think
:04:35. > :04:37.doing that will have long-term and permanent, deep damaging effect on
:04:38. > :04:40.our economy and I think I will be joined in that argument by many
:04:41. > :04:44.across the political spectrum probably in England and Wales, who
:04:45. > :04:49.will say, OK, we understand your mandate to take is out of the EU,
:04:50. > :04:50.but let's not take us out of the single market, because that I think
:04:51. > :04:54.is much more questionable. The First Minister speaking to our
:04:55. > :04:56.political editor, Brian Taylor. Well, as the two leaders begin
:04:57. > :04:59.to set out their priorities, where's the wriggle room -
:05:00. > :05:02.if any - to negotiate a bespoke Andrew Black has been looking
:05:03. > :05:14.at some of the key issues. The UK may have voted to leave the
:05:15. > :05:23.EU, but not everyone is ready to accept the result or alternatives to
:05:24. > :05:27.a hardline Brexit. None of those is as good as beneficial -- or is
:05:28. > :05:31.beneficial to us as full membership of the European Union.
:05:32. > :05:35.APPLAUSE These voters gathered in Edinburgh
:05:36. > :05:40.at the weekend, to send a message to the Prime Minister that Scotland
:05:41. > :05:44.wants to stay. But, as Theresa May arrived in China for the Jeep 20
:05:45. > :05:51.summit of world leaders, she made her views pretty clear. -- Jeet 20.
:05:52. > :05:56.There will be no second referendum, no attempt to turn the clock back or
:05:57. > :06:04.get out of this - the UK will be leaving the EU. An Australian
:06:05. > :06:08.points-based system has been rejected the UK, as she prepares to
:06:09. > :06:11.go it alone as a leader. Back in Scotland, there have been calls for
:06:12. > :06:17.an immigration policy separate from the rest of Britain, so is that
:06:18. > :06:23.possible? There has been president for having separate immigration laws
:06:24. > :06:28.within Scotland with the Fresh Talent Initiative, which was
:06:29. > :06:32.introduced in the 2000s. There were separate rules for international
:06:33. > :06:36.students who came to study and work. Many things are unclear. For
:06:37. > :06:41.example, we don't know if the UK would have a position similar Norway
:06:42. > :06:45.in the European Economic Area, which would appear to involve full free
:06:46. > :06:53.movement, which Theresa May seems to have said she wouldn't want to see
:06:54. > :06:58.happening. But if a more bespoke approach to the UK were to be taken,
:06:59. > :07:04.then the extent to which Scotland could have a different approach from
:07:05. > :07:10.the rest of the UK would depend on these negotiations that would take
:07:11. > :07:15.place in the future. The Nicola Sturgeon, migration is important,
:07:16. > :07:19.but so is her desire to keep Britain inside the European single market.
:07:20. > :07:23.-- for Nicola Sturgeon. That's because there might be consequences
:07:24. > :07:31.if that doesn't happen. You end up with a deal that imposes tariffs
:07:32. > :07:38.and, more importantly than that, we have to pretty much abide by
:07:39. > :07:46.whatever regulations any country we are hoping to export to imposes, so
:07:47. > :07:49.we will still have to meet European safety regulations, environmental
:07:50. > :07:53.regulations, labour regulations and so on. Otherwise we won't get access
:07:54. > :07:57.to the market. But others argue differently. We have to ask
:07:58. > :08:01.ourselves whether this changes the rules of the game. Whether there are
:08:02. > :08:06.new opportunities opened up by Brexit. And I think there. It gives
:08:07. > :08:10.Scotland an opportunity to take an even wider role inside the United
:08:11. > :08:14.Kingdom and maybe Wales and Northern Ireland, too, and maybe that would
:08:15. > :08:22.enable us to reflect that we do things bit differently to our
:08:23. > :08:27.European cousins. Despite the referendum result, some voters are
:08:28. > :08:31.trying to remain upbeat. But in reality, there is still far too much
:08:32. > :08:34.uncertainty at this stage to say what might eventually happen.
:08:35. > :08:36.The UK's Brexit Secretary David Davis says the Government will seek
:08:37. > :08:40.a "national consensus" on leaving the EU.
:08:41. > :08:44.In his first Commons statement in his new job,
:08:45. > :08:49.Mr Davis spelled out a little of what he thinks Brexit means.
:08:50. > :09:00.Naturally people want to know what Brexit will mean. Simply...
:09:01. > :09:11.Simply... Simply it means leaving the European Union. So we... We will
:09:12. > :09:17.decide on our borders our laws and the tax payers' money. It means
:09:18. > :09:22.getting the best deal for Britain. One that is unique to Britain. Not
:09:23. > :09:26.an off-the-shelf solution. This must mean controls on the numbers of
:09:27. > :09:31.people who come to Britain from Europe. But also a positive outcome
:09:32. > :09:33.for those who wish to trade in goods and services.
:09:34. > :09:35.Mr Davis also confirmed that he'll be visiting Scotland soon.
:09:36. > :09:38.Shortly before we came on air I spoke to Michael Russell,
:09:39. > :09:41.who's due to become Minister for UK Negotiations on Scotland's Place
:09:42. > :09:48.in Europe, the man presumably Mr Davis will do business with.
:09:49. > :09:56.I asked if they had a date in the diary to me yet. I have lots of
:09:57. > :10:00.dates in my diary available to me with David Davis. I think he is due
:10:01. > :10:03.to be in Scotland to appear before one of the Parliamentary committees.
:10:04. > :10:09.But we have to get on with the process. And will he meet you, do
:10:10. > :10:12.you think? I would hope so! There would be much point if he doesn't
:10:13. > :10:16.meet me because we have to start this dialogue. Scotland has to start
:10:17. > :10:21.talking to the UK Government in detail. Background discussions have
:10:22. > :10:26.been undertaken and Nicola Sturgeon has met with the new prime minister,
:10:27. > :10:30.but now there has to be real, substantive, detailed discussion. We
:10:31. > :10:34.have to discuss how we take forward a situation we did not ask to be in,
:10:35. > :10:38.and how we take forward the issues, and there are many important issues,
:10:39. > :10:41.many of which are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and I think it
:10:42. > :10:46.would be think -- unthinkable that we weren't at the very heart of that
:10:47. > :10:50.discussion. Do you think you will have some real influence in all of
:10:51. > :10:55.this, then? At the weekend, Theresa May said Scotland would be fully
:10:56. > :10:59.engaged and fully involved. If she means those words, then that means
:11:00. > :11:01.there has to be a full, Frank, detailed discussion between all the
:11:02. > :11:06.devolved nations in the UK Government. And this is a
:11:07. > :11:12.touchstone, really, in terms of trusting the UK. If the UK means
:11:13. > :11:15.anything in these circumstances, it has to mean making sure Scotland and
:11:16. > :11:19.Northern Ireland and Wales and London are at the heart of this, and
:11:20. > :11:24.of course Scotland did not vote to leave the EU. So that is a very,
:11:25. > :11:29.very important part of these discussions. And there's been a lot
:11:30. > :11:32.of talk about talking, listening, and David Davis said he will listen
:11:33. > :11:37.to all the devolved nations, but he's also going to listen to the
:11:38. > :11:45.universities, corporations. In the end, Brexit means Britain leaving
:11:46. > :11:49.the UK, sorry, the EU. Well, Brexit now means Britain leaving the EU,
:11:50. > :11:53.and that's more than we knew this morning, because the lack of
:11:54. > :11:58.definition and clarity was great. I think it is important not to lay out
:11:59. > :12:02.or you have on the table in terms of negotiations straightaway. But the
:12:03. > :12:07.very heart of this is who we are. Brexit is not about curved bananas
:12:08. > :12:12.or fish. It is about our vision of ourselves. It's what we want to
:12:13. > :12:15.achieve. The Scots, for example, welcome people from elsewhere. We
:12:16. > :12:19.are not full up. There is a whole range of things that might not be
:12:20. > :12:22.important to others but they are important to us and at the heart of
:12:23. > :12:27.us -- that is the single market and being involved in the single market.
:12:28. > :12:32.What are your red line issues? I know you don't want to put all your
:12:33. > :12:37.negotiating cards on the table, but access to the single market, is that
:12:38. > :12:40.a red line? I don't think you talk about redline issues, you talk about
:12:41. > :12:48.the things that are important to you. We start off saying of course a
:12:49. > :12:51.single market is tremendously important. It is not just because of
:12:52. > :12:55.goods and services. It is important because it expresses certain things.
:12:56. > :13:00.It is a membership, not just access, and the membership is based on fair
:13:01. > :13:03.treatment of one nation by another, and that includes free movement of
:13:04. > :13:07.people. You cannot just go and knock on the door and say, I want to buy
:13:08. > :13:11.something, as if it were a shop. You have to be involved in the process
:13:12. > :13:16.of setting and regulating it. Much of that appear to be what was being
:13:17. > :13:22.said today and that's a very serious situation for Scotland and the UK,
:13:23. > :13:25.and we need to make that point about the single market. What about
:13:26. > :13:30.immigration? Might you accept stricter border controls as a price
:13:31. > :13:34.to pay for actually retaining access to the single market? Is not a
:13:35. > :13:40.question of accepting stricter border controls. A single market is
:13:41. > :13:44.built upon the four freedoms. That is in goods, services, capital and
:13:45. > :13:48.people. And the reason for that is that there is a level playing field.
:13:49. > :13:55.One of the worries is when you hear this debate being about a discussion
:13:56. > :13:59.of us as a great trading nation, we are a great trading nation. Scotland
:14:00. > :14:02.is as well. Does it mean abandoning the social protections people of
:14:03. > :14:07.Scotland have earned as being part of the EU? These are the five
:14:08. > :14:11.conditions the first minister laid down over a month ago and they are
:14:12. > :14:14.very important. The social, economic, democratic, so we are not
:14:15. > :14:21.trading away the rights of workers, for example. But you've heard the
:14:22. > :14:25.mood music. Theresa May and David Davis have made it clear they want
:14:26. > :14:28.stricter border controls. You are not going to keep access to the
:14:29. > :14:35.single market and freedom of movement. That's not realistic, is
:14:36. > :14:39.it? That is the conundrum and it's difficult. Scotland must articulate
:14:40. > :14:42.the importance, to say, these things vital to our future. The best deal
:14:43. > :14:47.for Scotland is to remain within the EU. That's what the people of
:14:48. > :14:52.Scotland said overwhelmingly. That's not what the UK Government will do.
:14:53. > :14:57.That's clear. That's not as good, then. That's completely obvious, I'm
:14:58. > :15:06.afraid. If this is a meaningful negotiation, you will have to give
:15:07. > :15:08.ground? But we must articulate what is important in that negotiation at
:15:09. > :15:11.the start of the negotiation. You don't start giving things away. You
:15:12. > :15:17.start a meaningful negotiation by saying, this is what we want, this
:15:18. > :15:21.is who we are, and that's the type of discussion we must have. So is
:15:22. > :15:28.maintaining influence important alongside access to the single
:15:29. > :15:32.market? Is it non-negotiable? Again, another red Line issue? You keep
:15:33. > :15:36.putting down lots of red lines! There are none of these on the first
:15:37. > :15:40.day of discussion. But there are principles that are very important
:15:41. > :15:44.which you don't want to depart from. The first minister laid out
:15:45. > :15:47.conditions... You are holding onto all of the conditions that the
:15:48. > :15:52.status quo but that's not going to be the situation moving forward? You
:15:53. > :15:56.are expressing them as principles rather than things we wouldn't trade
:15:57. > :16:00.away and the principles are how we should approach this. The principle
:16:01. > :16:06.is that the people of Scotland voted to stay. We should recognise that
:16:07. > :16:10.democracy exists in Scotland. Social protection is important, influence
:16:11. > :16:14.is important, and solidarity as well is very important. We don't want
:16:15. > :16:17.Scotland to regress having got to this stage. We don't want people to
:16:18. > :16:22.start giving things up because decisions have been made elsewhere.
:16:23. > :16:26.So we have a complex set of negotiations to go into but I'm very
:16:27. > :16:30.strongly of the view that we go in with our beliefs and our principles
:16:31. > :16:34.underpinning what we are discussing. And don't you see any opportunity
:16:35. > :16:41.for tour for Scotland in actually leaving the EU? Fishing, farming?
:16:42. > :16:46.The Scottish government has done substantial work and published it on
:16:47. > :16:50.that. I am very happy to listen to those who say we are going to be
:16:51. > :16:55.better, but we need to see the evidence of that. There was a great
:16:56. > :16:59.deal of talk today by David Davis in the House of Commons but precious
:17:00. > :17:02.little evidence. If people say they have evidence of a major benefit, as
:17:03. > :17:09.the fishing community is saying, and I represent it constituency with
:17:10. > :17:13.fishing interests. Members are saying these opportunities, are they
:17:14. > :17:17.wrong? We need to listen to those who voted to leave, we need to
:17:18. > :17:21.listen to that. But I think the evidence that things can and will
:17:22. > :17:26.improve and there will be some magical new dawn, the evidence is
:17:27. > :17:30.not only thin, but nonexistent. The First Minister talked about working
:17:31. > :17:35.with other UK political leaders who might be of a similar view,, that
:17:36. > :17:38.any early signs that might happen? She talked about this at the
:17:39. > :17:43.weekend. It is perhaps a little early to look for early signs. Has
:17:44. > :17:47.anybody been in touch? That would be a matter and would not talk about
:17:48. > :17:52.here with you. The reality of the situation is, a lot of people said
:17:53. > :17:55.they wanted to remain, a lot of people campaigned vigorously for it.
:17:56. > :17:59.A lot of people believed the evidence of their own eyes that this
:18:00. > :18:03.is going to be difficult, the Prime Minister herself said at the weekend
:18:04. > :18:07.there would be difficulty ahead. It could be painful. I think that is
:18:08. > :18:12.code for, this is not all plain sailing. And we haven't left. We are
:18:13. > :18:16.not even in the foot hells of this as yet, there is a one way to go and
:18:17. > :18:19.we need to make sure those who believe in things like the single
:18:20. > :18:23.market and how important they are and look at the evidence working
:18:24. > :18:28.together -- foothills. Some people will wonder whether in your heart
:18:29. > :18:33.you are really wanting these negotiations to succeed. To get the
:18:34. > :18:36.best possible Brexit deal. And because that would torpedo hopes and
:18:37. > :18:41.dreams for independence. I do not believe that is the case. We want to
:18:42. > :18:44.make sure Scotland gets the very best. The First Minister at the
:18:45. > :18:48.start of this process, immediately after the vote when she spoke to the
:18:49. > :18:52.Scottish Parliament, said that she wanted to look at all the options
:18:53. > :18:56.and the convent and labours options in front of the Scottish Parliament.
:18:57. > :19:03.I am very pleased to take on a role in that to get that best deal but we
:19:04. > :19:07.have to be very hard-headed and realistic about the interests of
:19:08. > :19:13.Scotland. Finally, do you have a view on whether there should be a
:19:14. > :19:17.second referendum on the outcome of the negotiations? Well, not as yet.
:19:18. > :19:21.I think there is a lot of discussion about what the constitutional future
:19:22. > :19:26.is going to be. You are not ruling it out? What I am very focused on
:19:27. > :19:29.now is to get these negotiations started, the talk in detail and I
:19:30. > :19:34.think we are getting quite close to that. Once that has started, we will
:19:35. > :19:38.be in a process which day by day, we will be discovering more about a
:19:39. > :19:40.circumstance, and want to stress this, not of our making. Thank you
:19:41. > :19:58.very much, Michael Russell. I am joined now by the law lecturer
:19:59. > :20:03.Andrew Tickel, journalist Katie grand and from London, writer and
:20:04. > :20:09.broadcaster Paul Mason. Thank you. Katie, it is Mike Russell right to
:20:10. > :20:14.say that if the UK means anything at all, taking Scotland's concerns
:20:15. > :20:19.seriously over Brexit is a real test of the union? I suppose he is right
:20:20. > :20:23.in a way. Scotland's needs to be part of the negotiations because
:20:24. > :20:29.Scotland is one of the constituent nations of the UK. And it is as the
:20:30. > :20:36.UK that we will be leaving. So I think he is. I suppose one of the
:20:37. > :20:40.things you of baffled by business verbiage coming out. We know
:20:41. > :20:46.nothing, we are no further on than we are at the June. Lots of people
:20:47. > :20:49.pressing forward their sort of general principles, nobody really
:20:50. > :20:54.saying anything that is very concrete. I think the one concrete
:20:55. > :20:57.thing we do know about Mike Russell and the SNP is they want Scottish
:20:58. > :21:01.independence, that is the only thing we have to hold onto because
:21:02. > :21:08.everything else seems to be in this nebulous land as you might call it.
:21:09. > :21:12.And you, we heard from the Prime Minister, from David Davis in the
:21:13. > :21:16.last 48 hours, how would you read the mood music? Is Scotland going to
:21:17. > :21:20.have any influence over these negotiations? It is very difficult
:21:21. > :21:24.to say at the moment. It depends, really. David Davis and Theresa May
:21:25. > :21:29.a couple of weeks ago stressed the idea that a national consensus,
:21:30. > :21:33.which must be British, we preconditioned towards any Brexit
:21:34. > :21:37.deal. The one think we know will be really hard to achieve is a national
:21:38. > :21:45.consensus. It seems to me there cannot be won. The best case, as
:21:46. > :21:48.Nicola Sturgeon said today, is the softest Brexit possible to secure
:21:49. > :21:51.the greatest access to the single market. If you get that national
:21:52. > :21:54.consensus, eat get a consensus in the Conservative Party, because
:21:55. > :22:00.they're great swathes including the Minister for Brexit who are not
:22:01. > :22:05.thrilled with that version. From London, Paul Mason, what is the view
:22:06. > :22:09.from there? People concerned about what Scotland thinks in this and can
:22:10. > :22:13.there be a national consensus? We on the left in England and Wales are
:22:14. > :22:19.very concerned with the way Scotland breaks on this because it to me,
:22:20. > :22:23.what I have been hearing is of a dream dying. I was inspired when I
:22:24. > :22:27.covered the Scottish referendum by the belief of many in a radical and
:22:28. > :22:32.Independent and socially just Scotland. To hear it evaporate in
:22:33. > :22:36.favour of an unspecified aspiration in a Brexit process is a bit
:22:37. > :22:41.disappointing. The SNP has to decide whether or not the dynamic it is
:22:42. > :22:45.trying to play in politics is the dynamic of radical and socially
:22:46. > :22:49.progressive independence would you want to stay on a right-wing island
:22:50. > :22:54.with Tories who want to take us back to the Thatcher era? It surprises me
:22:55. > :23:00.that Nicola Sturgeon wants to go out and listen. Let's do that, but she
:23:01. > :23:03.has to ask the question, is now or never for independence or a
:23:04. > :23:09.generation and if we are going to do it, what is the point of teaming up
:23:10. > :23:14.with Theresa May for a soft Brexit? Andrew Tickel, has he got a point?
:23:15. > :23:18.It is very unclear where the SNP stands, they are like poker players
:23:19. > :23:22.who want to keep every card in their hands. How long can they do that? It
:23:23. > :23:27.depends how long everything takes and the answer is tomorrow and
:23:28. > :23:32.tomorrow. This is inspired by Macbeth, this negotiation, it is
:23:33. > :23:36.unclear where everything is. Nobody is articulating anything apart from
:23:37. > :23:40.fake positions and policies and values. Brass tacks very, very far
:23:41. > :23:44.away and you disagree about those because the point of values broadly
:23:45. > :23:49.expressed is that everybody can agree because they are politically
:23:50. > :23:55.vacuous. Hard choices are not being taken yet. I think Paul Mason is
:23:56. > :23:59.right, the dream is dwindling away. Because most people in Scotland's do
:24:00. > :24:04.not subscribe to that dream as was made evidence in the independence
:24:05. > :24:08.referendum in 2014. I think Nicola Sturgeon is stuck. She has the
:24:09. > :24:13.fundamentalists who just want independence at any cost, never mind
:24:14. > :24:18.Brexit or we all go to hell in a handcart, we will go independently.
:24:19. > :24:23.And they have the wavering unionists who were a bit, who were very, very
:24:24. > :24:27.upset by the Brexit vote. And who, the day after the vote, might have
:24:28. > :24:33.voted for independence if that could have meant remaining in Europe,
:24:34. > :24:38.which it could not have done. So she has got to bring these people on
:24:39. > :24:42.board if the dream is to live, who naturally don't really conform to
:24:43. > :24:47.the image which Paul has put forward. Is the listening a holding
:24:48. > :24:52.exercise? The listening is nonsense. How many times, who do we listen to?
:24:53. > :24:56.The one to four bit is apparently by the SNP members, each member is
:24:57. > :25:00.supposed to go and find five more other people. It is a giant echo
:25:01. > :25:06.chamber. They will all coat each other, it is great. So we encourage
:25:07. > :25:10.the date to hear Nicola Sturgeon talking about building alliances
:25:11. > :25:14.across the UK, Paul Mason? The Alliance Nicola Sturgeon needs to be
:25:15. > :25:17.part is the one that we in Labour and some people in Labour and some
:25:18. > :25:21.people in Plaid Cymru and some people in the Green Party are trying
:25:22. > :25:26.to build, a progressive Alliance to make the best of Brexit. The fight
:25:27. > :25:30.the right-wing Tory agenda. You heard David Davis today clarifying
:25:31. > :25:33.it in a TV interview, he wants a clean break with Europe
:25:34. > :25:37.economically. That is the big news today. If you to stay on the island
:25:38. > :25:44.with that, either you go Independent and you'd not part of the story, or
:25:45. > :25:49.you join with the progressive forces across the British Isles to fight
:25:50. > :25:54.the Tories. I have covered the Catalan national question for many
:25:55. > :25:58.years and it is very convenient to have this independence struggle that
:25:59. > :26:02.never comes to pass. It never quite happens. And in the meantime, people
:26:03. > :26:06.obsess about independence and they miss the opportunity to fight with
:26:07. > :26:12.their fellow working class and the poor and young people across Britain
:26:13. > :26:19.against the Conservatives. Andrew Tickel, if we are focusing on a good
:26:20. > :26:26.Brexit. And, what about something like having a separate immigration
:26:27. > :26:29.policy? Is that feasible? It is feasible in the abstract sense. Is
:26:30. > :26:34.it likely or possible? No, of course not. We saw today David Davis
:26:35. > :26:40.articulating the idea that this Parliament is sovereign. That idea
:26:41. > :26:45.sends a chill up my spine. Of the reasons Paul was describing, I'm not
:26:46. > :26:49.comfortable with the idea of a Tory dominated, disproportionately
:26:50. > :26:52.misrepresented Assembly. The chances as were discussed of Scotland
:26:53. > :26:58.getting power over immigration or the equivalent of Dutch equivalent
:26:59. > :27:03.of survival on a snowball of help. The SNP reticulated -- reticulated
:27:04. > :27:09.and honourable idea, looking forward to an idea of the best Brexit
:27:10. > :27:15.possible, the Wiest worst scenario. People are endlessly slapping off
:27:16. > :27:18.the SNP for being impractical, separatists. This is practical
:27:19. > :27:23.politics in the UK and if you cannot be happy with that and you are a
:27:24. > :27:28.Remain voter with anxieties, heaven help you. Partisanship has taken
:27:29. > :27:33.over everything. You voted Remain, do you think there are opportunities
:27:34. > :27:38.for Scotland? I think, it is my views Scotland should remain in the
:27:39. > :27:42.UK even with the Brexit vote, even though I am a Remain voter, to be
:27:43. > :27:47.the strongest voice possible in the UK. I also do not want to see a Tory
:27:48. > :27:51.dominated UK, I do not want Scotland next door to a country it has
:27:52. > :27:55.nothing to do with and has no influence over. They are our nearest
:27:56. > :28:00.neighbours, most of my family live there, Scotland has a very powerful
:28:01. > :28:05.place in the UK. It would have an on powerful place in Europe. So I would
:28:06. > :28:08.prefer. Scotland also has this lovely habit of trying to pretend
:28:09. > :28:12.everything is on its side so when asked about the border with
:28:13. > :28:16.immigration, there will be no border, says Nicola Sturgeon. But
:28:17. > :28:22.they have two sides and being rich will not be happy with very
:28:23. > :28:26.immigration in Scotland and having, people will go down to England, that
:28:27. > :28:31.is not happening either. Is that a possibility or just fantasyland?
:28:32. > :28:36.Look, I think the point is full Scotland, there are plenty of things
:28:37. > :28:40.you can do with devolved powers to set socially just policies that fly
:28:41. > :28:44.in the face of what Theresa May and Boris Johnson are trying to do to
:28:45. > :28:49.Britain and one is a Labour market. It has been said before that
:28:50. > :28:54.Scotland has an outward looking position on migration. It could do a
:28:55. > :28:57.lot to regulate the Scottish Labour movement in favour of trade unions
:28:58. > :29:02.and higher wages and more open engagement with the rest of the
:29:03. > :29:07.world. Education policy, you already have. You could do that. But it is
:29:08. > :29:13.we had to sit here with them behind me, being the person in the studio
:29:14. > :29:16.most enthusiastic for following the story of radical cultural and
:29:17. > :29:20.national independence. Because Yucatan played on the British Isles
:29:21. > :29:24.a completely different kind of economy and society -- you could
:29:25. > :29:27.play out. We have to leave it there, but thank you very much.
:29:28. > :29:28.That's it for tonight, thanks for watching.
:29:29. > :29:31.Gary Robertson will be here tomorrow night at the same time.
:29:32. > :29:38.In an unforgiving time, Scotland had its heroes.
:29:39. > :29:44.Then, as our sense of Scottishness flourished,
:29:45. > :29:47.our football saw unprecedented decline.
:29:48. > :29:51.Scotland over-estimate how good they are.