:00:00. > :00:00.Nicola Sturgeon says she's keeping a close eye on legal challenges
:00:00. > :00:08.around Brexit saying Holyrood might be able to block the
:00:09. > :00:13.Tonight I'll ask politicians in Edinburgh if the current
:00:14. > :00:34.consensus around Europe means they'll back the First Minister.
:00:35. > :00:36.Good evening and welcome to Scotland 2016.
:00:37. > :00:39.The First Minister is predicting a lost decade if Brexit goes ahead
:00:40. > :00:42.but what would be the consequences if Holyrood was able to stand
:00:43. > :00:44.in the way of article 50, and therefore the British
:00:45. > :00:49.The European Commission President Jean-Claude Junker wants the process
:00:50. > :00:51.to start immediately though his state of the union
:00:52. > :00:54.address today didn't dwell on Brexit for long.
:00:55. > :00:57.We'll hear how the EU is dealing with the prospect
:00:58. > :01:02.And Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith have crossed swords for the last
:01:03. > :01:04.time before the Labour leadership decision but have most members
:01:05. > :01:16.We got contrasting views on Brexit today.
:01:17. > :01:19.Nicola Sturgeon told a committee at Holyrood that Britain's
:01:20. > :01:22.exit from the EU might lead to a lost decade.
:01:23. > :01:25.She said the "least worst option" of remaining in the single market
:01:26. > :01:29.should be the key objective for the Scottish Government.
:01:30. > :01:31.Meanwhile in Strasbourg the European Commission President
:01:32. > :01:34.said he wanted the process of Brexit to start soon but added
:01:35. > :01:37.the EU wasn't at risk, and relations with Britain
:01:38. > :01:46.Laura Maxwell reports on today's developments.
:01:47. > :01:56.The flags of the European Union. For now the union Jack remains in place.
:01:57. > :01:58.As to the UK's MEPs. But if the president of the European Commission
:01:59. > :02:05.has anything to do with it they will be there for long. We would be happy
:02:06. > :02:14.if the Brexit could happen as quickly as possible so that we can
:02:15. > :02:20.take specific steps. Our relations with the UK must remain on a
:02:21. > :02:25.friendly basis. That means only those who can have a limited access
:02:26. > :02:36.to the single market except movement of persons. Another parliament, now
:02:37. > :02:41.the union. But the same discussion was on the menu. Free movement and
:02:42. > :02:49.the single market. Is the Prime Minister in favour of protecting
:02:50. > :02:53.these are free travel? There was a very clear message from the people
:02:54. > :03:01.at the time of the referendum vote. They wanted to see an end to free
:03:02. > :03:06.movement as it operated, they want to see control of the movement of
:03:07. > :03:09.people from the European Union into the UK the Prime Minister was not
:03:10. > :03:14.the only woman answering questions about the EU today. At Holyrood the
:03:15. > :03:17.First Minister told the European and external relations committee she
:03:18. > :03:21.would monitor legal attempts to use the Scottish Parliament to block
:03:22. > :03:26.Article 50. She also warned of the challenges of Brexit. I do think
:03:27. > :03:35.there is a real risk that the UK is facing right now are lost decade or
:03:36. > :03:38.more when the uncertainty and turmoil of Brexit and everything
:03:39. > :03:44.that comes after it before that is clarity about what the UK's place in
:03:45. > :03:49.the world actually is will dominate and the donnish that will do to our
:03:50. > :03:52.economy and other areas of our society will be deep and severe.
:03:53. > :03:58.Those concerns carried on into the Hollywood chamber. Scotland's voice
:03:59. > :04:05.would be heard promised the Brexit negotiations Minister. Not even is
:04:06. > :04:09.there no road map, it doesn't seem to be any direction. It may be that
:04:10. > :04:14.hard Brexit with all the damage to the economy is the desired
:04:15. > :04:18.destination. Last weekend the Foreign Secretary lent his wits to a
:04:19. > :04:26.hardline campaign which demands UK control of laws, borders, money and
:04:27. > :04:31.trade. For the Scottish Conservatives Jackson Carlaw urged
:04:32. > :04:36.Mr Russell do show some diplomacy London and in the European
:04:37. > :04:39.Parliament. One senior ambassador spoke plainly. The Scottish
:04:40. > :04:44.Government must take the opportunity offered by Theresa May, play a
:04:45. > :04:49.wholehearted and constructive part. If they do so those discussions with
:04:50. > :04:54.EU member states would proceed with the UK member state agreement and
:04:55. > :04:58.could be a fruit. If the atmosphere is soured and confrontation and uses
:04:59. > :05:03.words, then the shutters will come down all over Europe to any
:05:04. > :05:08.separatist sessions with Scotland. The Scottish Government can both
:05:09. > :05:11.make or break our influence. MSP 's back a government motion today that
:05:12. > :05:17.a keynote Cauchy agent should before Scotland and the UK to remain inside
:05:18. > :05:22.the single market. Back in Strasbourg that hope has some
:05:23. > :05:27.support not least from the EU's chief Brexit negotiator. It's about
:05:28. > :05:34.how we want Europe, our own European Union in the future. That is at
:05:35. > :05:38.stake. Stop the politics of division and seize this opportunity not to
:05:39. > :05:45.kill Europe as some of you want but to reinvent Europe. Three different
:05:46. > :05:48.parliaments, three different takes on Brexit. Much discussion of unity
:05:49. > :05:52.but far less of it on display. So how did Jean-Claude Junker's
:05:53. > :05:55.state of the union address go down? I've been hearing from Ryan Heath,
:05:56. > :06:04.a senior EU reporter for Politico. I think the most significant thing
:06:05. > :06:07.was what he didn't say which was not disturb the pot with any of the
:06:08. > :06:13.national governments, not to announce anything too far-fetched or
:06:14. > :06:17.too far away from where general public opinion is across the
:06:18. > :06:22.European Union. It was a steady as she goes speech and that was about
:06:23. > :06:30.as close as we are ever going to get from him. He accepts that not
:06:31. > :06:34.everybody in Europe was to run towards a centralised and federal
:06:35. > :06:37.European Union. And his message on Brexit has not changed. He wants the
:06:38. > :06:44.process to begin as soon as possible. If it had been a different
:06:45. > :06:48.sort of politician he might have stood up and said I am sorry this
:06:49. > :06:53.didn't work out the way I wanted it to and I hoped it could have been
:06:54. > :06:57.different but I beg your forgiveness. That is what a Tony
:06:58. > :07:03.Blair politician might have done. Jean-Claude Junker is very proud. He
:07:04. > :07:08.wanted to bury the subject, run around it and get on with it. As we
:07:09. > :07:16.all know from Theresa May's tactics she wants to get all her ducks lined
:07:17. > :07:20.up. And he returns to this idea that he has proposed before about a
:07:21. > :07:27.European fighting force. It's an idea that was used by levers and
:07:28. > :07:36.being a step too far. How popular an idea is it? It is a surprisingly
:07:37. > :07:49.popular. Even the people who supported them understand. Once you
:07:50. > :07:53.remove the UK from that equation it has proven easy to get people to sit
:07:54. > :07:57.around a table and have a discussion about it. That has not been a lot of
:07:58. > :08:04.common ground among EU leaders over the last two years and they might
:08:05. > :08:07.not be when it's only the 27 going forward but defence coordination is
:08:08. > :08:10.one of the few areas where there has been positive movement in the last
:08:11. > :08:15.few days. Nigel Farage was unhappy today with the Belgian MEP, the
:08:16. > :08:23.European Parliament lead negotiator on Brexit. He has made prominent
:08:24. > :08:28.noises towards Scotland in the past. How much traction does that idea
:08:29. > :08:31.have in Brussels? There is a lot of sympathy for the Scottish people in
:08:32. > :08:35.Brussels. It's clear to everybody that Scotland voted to remain in
:08:36. > :08:38.Cleveland Brussels would like to accommodate the Scottish people as
:08:39. > :08:45.much as possible but they are probably not going to leave the door
:08:46. > :08:52.open for Scotland remaining in the EU or somehow being a European
:08:53. > :08:59.island. The Scottish people have strong advocate but he also has to
:09:00. > :09:04.take his battles. He's not going to win every fight and you will have to
:09:05. > :09:08.decide what's the compromise he can strike with somebody like Theresa
:09:09. > :09:14.May knowing that the parliament can veto the final deal but also knowing
:09:15. > :09:19.he can't hold a full union to ransom. Is the Scottish position
:09:20. > :09:23.deemed to be unfeasible or impractical or is it just down the
:09:24. > :09:27.politics? A little bit of all of those things. If you continue to
:09:28. > :09:36.have the situation we have in Spain were just this week we have had
:09:37. > :09:42.Catalonian national day and they don't recognise that Catalonia is a
:09:43. > :09:45.separate nation. Because of those internal politics there it is an
:09:46. > :09:49.matter how much sympathy people after Scotland they are not going to
:09:50. > :09:54.recognise any interest in independence in the UK because their
:09:55. > :10:03.own domestic political balance. Nicola Sturgeon has been
:10:04. > :10:05.maintaining her position in the wake of the Scottish vote to remain
:10:06. > :10:07.that her government will fight to maintain
:10:08. > :10:09.a relationship with Brussels. Today in front of a committee
:10:10. > :10:12.of MSPs she described the idea of business still having access
:10:13. > :10:14.to the single market So given the consensus among
:10:15. > :10:19.the party leaders at Holyrood over Europe can the First Minister count
:10:20. > :10:22.on support across the chamber if she feels parliament can block
:10:23. > :10:26.article 50 being triggered. Lib Dem Alex Cole Hamilton,
:10:27. > :10:46.Conservative Adam Tompkins Does the Scottish Government have to
:10:47. > :10:50.do accept its options are limited? 62% of Scottish people voted to
:10:51. > :10:55.remain and the government's job is to defend the Scottish people and
:10:56. > :11:01.ensure we continue to have access to the single market. But it also has
:11:02. > :11:07.to take a realistic position. That is a realistic position. It is a
:11:08. > :11:12.position supported by the Labour Party and the Greens. Would you
:11:13. > :11:16.support the plant -- the Scottish Parliament having a say in the
:11:17. > :11:22.triggering of Article 50? I don't think so. Mike Russell who of the
:11:23. > :11:30.Minister for Brexit negotiations made it plain in his statement to
:11:31. > :11:33.the Scottish Parliament that he expects the Brexit negotiations to
:11:34. > :11:36.be conducted in accordance with the devolution settlement. The
:11:37. > :11:42.devolution settlement makes it perfectly plain that the UK's
:11:43. > :11:49.membership of the European Union is a reserved matter. What about the
:11:50. > :11:53.point about representing the 62% of the people voted to remain. The UK
:11:54. > :12:00.Government represents the whole of the UK including all four nations,
:12:01. > :12:09.two of which voted to leave the EU. The point is the UK as a whole voted
:12:10. > :12:15.to leave and that is what the whole of the UK is now going to do. Brexit
:12:16. > :12:27.means Brexit. Do you have to accept that position? I certainly don't.
:12:28. > :12:30.There is a threat to service industries in Glasgow, the social
:12:31. > :12:34.funds we get from Europe will be affected and they will be a huge
:12:35. > :12:41.impact on his constituents. He talks about the UK Government calling the
:12:42. > :12:45.shots but the UK Government has won Scottish MP and was opposed by 86%
:12:46. > :12:50.of voters in Scotland so I think it's wrong that he is saying the UK
:12:51. > :12:54.Government should call the shots. In terms of devolution settlement is if
:12:55. > :13:02.the House of Lords constitutional committee has said this should go to
:13:03. > :13:09.a vote of the Westminster Parliament, if that happens the
:13:10. > :13:12.advice to our committee is it could start impacting on reserved areas
:13:13. > :13:21.and that means there has to be a legislative consent motion in the
:13:22. > :13:24.Scottish Parliament. To raise a think differently and does not
:13:25. > :13:30.believe she needs the consent of Parliament to trigger article 50.
:13:31. > :13:36.What -- where would the Lib Dems stand on this? We have a different
:13:37. > :13:40.approach. We believe that once the details of Brexit are laid out we
:13:41. > :13:43.should go back to the people of Great Britain for a second
:13:44. > :13:49.referendum in the hope we could reverse that decision. The reality
:13:50. > :13:53.that that is clear because the perspectives that was sold to the
:13:54. > :13:57.British people on the 23rd of June was nothing short of a pack of lies
:13:58. > :14:06.and the truth of that has been exposed. We believe we should have
:14:07. > :14:12.that choice again. So you are happy to hold another Brexit referendum
:14:13. > :14:15.until you get the result you want? We voted for the status quo and we
:14:16. > :14:21.knew what we were voting for in 2014. We were delighted to remain
:14:22. > :14:29.part of the UK. Everybody knows the buyers' regret that was expressed on
:14:30. > :14:32.the leave voters when they realised what they had been sold by Nigel
:14:33. > :14:36.Farage other members of the Conservative government. It is the
:14:37. > :14:39.Conservatives who have put us in this position. Ruth Davidson went
:14:40. > :14:44.through the last campaign promising to be the saviour of the UK but she
:14:45. > :14:49.has brought us back to the brink of another referendum.
:14:50. > :14:53.John McAlpine, what would be the consequences of the Scottish
:14:54. > :15:00.parliament standing a way of Article 50? I think the UK Government would
:15:01. > :15:04.have to take note of that. It is not just about Scotland it is about the
:15:05. > :15:08.other devolved administrations as well. The First Minister of Wales
:15:09. > :15:13.which actually voted leave has himself said that the devolved
:15:14. > :15:20.administrations should be involved in the process. One of the key
:15:21. > :15:25.things that... NMP wouldn't be credit deficit if you would be able
:15:26. > :15:30.to halt the process. That is what the union is supposed to mean. This
:15:31. > :15:35.is supposed to be a union of nations. Theresa May, when she came
:15:36. > :15:38.to Edinburgh to see the First Minister after she became Prime
:15:39. > :15:42.Minister seemed to understand that democratic obligation because she
:15:43. > :15:46.said that Scotland would be involved at the heart of the negotiation
:15:47. > :15:50.process. That has not been happening over the summer. That is two months
:15:51. > :15:54.ago and we still haven't seen any meaningful involvement of the
:15:55. > :15:59.Scottish Government in helping the UK Government to agree a position. I
:16:00. > :16:03.hope that will change, but it is certainly very concerning that the
:16:04. > :16:07.Tories and indeed the Liberal Democrats disgracefully voted
:16:08. > :16:11.against the motion in Parliament today. We voted against the motion
:16:12. > :16:14.because you went against the consensus that we formed before
:16:15. > :16:21.Parliament and recess which is that we all agreed to explore options to
:16:22. > :16:26.keep Scotland in the EU. We made explicit but that should not include
:16:27. > :16:29.independence. Yet Nicola Sturgeon has used that cross-party consensus
:16:30. > :16:36.as a Trojan horse. Let me just put this point forward. She didn't
:16:37. > :16:38.mention independence at all. I think it is disgraceful that the Liberal
:16:39. > :16:42.Democrats have taken this position. They used to be the party of home
:16:43. > :16:49.rule Europe and they have now does all did those originals. Your
:16:50. > :16:53.consensus didn't last very long did it? Negotiations haven't started and
:16:54. > :16:57.you are backing the First Minister. The only thinking the SNP are
:16:58. > :17:04.interested in is independence. It appears that that is the case,
:17:05. > :17:08.sadly. Absolutely willing to come to the table and look at the best
:17:09. > :17:15.options. Let's remember, we're a party in Europe. I am a citizen in
:17:16. > :17:19.Great Britain and a citizen of the EU. The Tories have done their best
:17:20. > :17:29.to rock me of my EU citizenship, but I won't let the SNP rob me of my
:17:30. > :17:35.indicted kingdom status. Due support the Scottish Government to keep
:17:36. > :17:41.access to the UK market if the UK leads? Yes, I want the whole of the
:17:42. > :17:45.UK kingdom, Scotland included, to have access to the single market.
:17:46. > :17:48.That is where we need to go. We shouldn't be talking here about the
:17:49. > :17:52.membership of the single market. There is no such thing. We are going
:17:53. > :17:55.to leave the European Union. The question then is what kind of
:17:56. > :17:59.relationship going forward to being want to have with the other 27
:18:00. > :18:02.member states and indeed the institutions of the European Union
:18:03. > :18:09.themselves. I want that relationship to be as full and free in access as
:18:10. > :18:14.is consistent with our national feeling. Ruth Davidson seems to have
:18:15. > :18:18.changed her opinion. At first she was talking about reaching out
:18:19. > :18:23.across Europe and then she wrote in a newspaper that we all need to make
:18:24. > :18:29.Brexit work. She is on the Leeds side. Not at all. The SNP have been
:18:30. > :18:37.very clear about this. They are only interested in independence. We are
:18:38. > :18:42.the only party to not lend the support to the SNP as union. You
:18:43. > :18:45.have brought on a second referendum. I cannot believe I am hearing this.
:18:46. > :18:53.Your party has single-handedly brought this country to a second
:18:54. > :18:56.referendum. I can't believe you can't see that. I'm sorry. Seven out
:18:57. > :19:04.of the eight Liberal Democrat MPs and the liberal Democrats supported
:19:05. > :19:10.it. At the Labour Party and the Conservative. It was a cross
:19:11. > :19:16.party... Has there been a change in the Scottish Government? Because
:19:17. > :19:22.previously the position was that the EU would... I think you would have
:19:23. > :19:25.noticed that the person who is talking most about independence as
:19:26. > :19:30.the Tory. We are getting on with running Scotland well and
:19:31. > :19:40.maintaining our access to a single market possible. Initially, the
:19:41. > :19:44.position was to remain a member of the EU. Now it is talk of the single
:19:45. > :19:50.market. The least worst option as Nicola Sturgeon described it. There
:19:51. > :19:53.has been a change, has an? We want to remain a full member of the EU.
:19:54. > :19:56.We said right from the beginning that we wanted to explore every
:19:57. > :20:02.single option. The First Minister said today that full access to the
:20:03. > :20:06.single market was the least worst option. We are listening to people
:20:07. > :20:09.and that is what is being said right across Scotland. Businesses, trade
:20:10. > :20:15.unions, everybody. That is what they are telling us. We want access to
:20:16. > :20:18.the single market. The single market guarantees freedom of goods, freedom
:20:19. > :20:22.of services to move around Europe. Freedom of capital. It also is about
:20:23. > :20:28.social protection. Employment protection as well. Having an equal
:20:29. > :20:32.playing field. The single market up is all of these things and you can't
:20:33. > :20:34.pick and choose these things. I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
:20:35. > :20:36.Thank you for joining us. The two men competing to lead
:20:37. > :20:39.the Labour Party have been squaring This was the last hustings
:20:40. > :20:43.of the contest between The winner will be announced a week
:20:44. > :20:48.on Saturday ahead of the party's annual conference being
:20:49. > :20:49.held in Liverpool. Here's a flavour of tonight's TV
:20:50. > :21:00.encounter on Sky News. I don't view are serious about
:21:01. > :21:04.winning power of the labour. And precisely because I don't think
:21:05. > :21:07.there is any prospect of us being able to address those gross
:21:08. > :21:12.inequalities you talked about unless we have got a little leader of the
:21:13. > :21:15.Labour Party who knows there are 106 seats and the amount of the vote we
:21:16. > :21:19.need to win. And where those who signed what he would do to win them
:21:20. > :21:22.back from the Tories. Not someone who says frankly a lot of platitudes
:21:23. > :21:26.about all sorts of things we would all like to see. We are all in
:21:27. > :21:32.favour of motherhood and apple pie, Jeremy. Politics is a tough business
:21:33. > :21:37.of winning votes from the Tories. You unfortunately I don't think are
:21:38. > :21:43.serious about that. Come back on that, Jeremy? It is likely
:21:44. > :21:47.regrettable if the whole thing reduces to a personal view of each
:21:48. > :21:53.other. Can we not look at the issue? Our party was created by brave
:21:54. > :21:58.people to bring about a fairer and more just society. We made great
:21:59. > :22:02.achievements. In the face of the Tory Government is creating
:22:03. > :22:05.deliberately and specifically gross inequality in Britain. The party has
:22:06. > :22:09.to come together to oppose austerities and not offer next
:22:10. > :22:15.election some sort of posterity light. We need to stand up for the
:22:16. > :22:21.welfare state. You do things together as a party we can a great
:22:22. > :22:24.deal. I regret the fact that some colleagues including Owen took
:22:25. > :22:30.decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet. I simply say to them, once
:22:31. > :22:32.this leadership is over, letters come together and campaign on all
:22:33. > :22:39.those issues. Well, with me now to discuss some of today's
:22:40. > :22:43.News of the journalist Dani Garavelli journalist
:22:44. > :22:51.and the SNP's former head of media letters to start with that Labour
:22:52. > :22:56.leader contest. One of you made of the wider contest between the two?
:22:57. > :22:59.In terms of the night's debate, I thought it was pretty much what you
:23:00. > :23:08.would expect. I thought Corbin did OK. Owen Smith is never going to be
:23:09. > :23:18.the most charismatic of speakers, he seemed to be buoyed by the
:23:19. > :23:23.performance on question PMQ 's. He had some rhetoric on migrants. Owen
:23:24. > :23:25.Smith will always have the advantage of being able to point out that he
:23:26. > :23:30.is probably not electable and therefore it doesn't really matter
:23:31. > :23:34.what he said. That is the interesting thing. Corbin supporters
:23:35. > :23:38.believes he can win an election, Owen Smith says he is delusional and
:23:39. > :23:41.thinking that. Who is right? I thought what was interesting is
:23:42. > :23:46.something that Owen Smith said last week. He said it Jeremy Corbyn was
:23:47. > :23:50.to be returned to Labour leader than the Tories could be in for 20 years.
:23:51. > :23:55.I think that is a comment that could come back and haunt him and the
:23:56. > :24:04.Labour Party if Jeremy Corbyn does win. The interesting thing for me is
:24:05. > :24:06.that it could go back into the Scottish constitutional debate. Who
:24:07. > :24:13.are discussing earlier on in terms of the constitutional deficit. Fewer
:24:14. > :24:18.than one in four people in Scotland are voting Conservative and we're
:24:19. > :24:21.talking about decades of Conservative Government. That is an
:24:22. > :24:26.extremely deep deficit that would have an impact in of itself. There
:24:27. > :24:34.should be another independence referendum. Pulse of an wrong in the
:24:35. > :24:43.past, but they've been this wrong? Ashe polls. What I think is
:24:44. > :24:46.interesting is whether Owen Smith is any more electable? There seems to
:24:47. > :24:49.be a lot of evidence that Jeremy Corbyn is not electable. Where is
:24:50. > :24:59.the evidence that Owen Smith is electable? What about this other
:25:00. > :25:04.story, this Parliamentary report that criticised the overthrowing of
:25:05. > :25:10.Colonel Gaddafi in Libya. Let's have is listen to the chair of the
:25:11. > :25:15.committee. The whole process of being drawn into Libya was poorly
:25:16. > :25:19.thought through and then based on erroneous assumptions. In terms of
:25:20. > :25:23.intelligence and the nature of Libya. The Foreign Office is saying
:25:24. > :25:28.that there are not of unknowns here, Kevin. It does seem that from this
:25:29. > :25:33.reported is pretty critical of David Cameron and his foreign policy at
:25:34. > :25:40.the time. It is. The most disappointing aspect and the most
:25:41. > :25:46.powerful paragraph is paragraph 28 where it says there were no known is
:25:47. > :25:50.before 2011 whereby it was known that elements in Libya were reaching
:25:51. > :25:55.out internationally to other extremist groups in other parts of
:25:56. > :26:01.the world. So, it was known that there was a danger of allowing
:26:02. > :26:06.extremist elements like Daesh to capitalise on the chaos that in
:26:07. > :26:13.shoot. That is exactly what happened. The most disappointing
:26:14. > :26:16.thing is that that is out repeat performance of policy across the
:26:17. > :26:21.western world. Have you go back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan,
:26:22. > :26:29.America game the Lima gave all of its water support to fire the
:26:30. > :26:36.Pakistan Government and they gave it the most extreme elements. Back
:26:37. > :26:43.ended up in the Taliban control of Afghanistan. Nowadays, my enemymy
:26:44. > :26:49.enemy is my friend. All that does is create a bigger monster. The Foreign
:26:50. > :26:54.Office says there is no easy answer. Boris Johnson is talking about a
:26:55. > :26:59.nightmare scenario. He said the people in Benghazi were facing a
:27:00. > :27:04.massacre. Of course, Colonel Gaddafi was a ruthless dictator. He was.
:27:05. > :27:08.What the report seems to suggest is that not many lessons have been
:27:09. > :27:14.learned from Barack. We are repeating those errors. That is a
:27:15. > :27:17.shocking. Another sense it is predictable. It highlights the lack
:27:18. > :27:25.of preparedness. The failure to foresee consequences. The failure to
:27:26. > :27:28.follow through. This is what we would regard as hallmarks of David
:27:29. > :27:35.Cameron's premiership. I don't think it will change anything at all. It
:27:36. > :27:39.will consolidate what people think of him which is that he was a gung
:27:40. > :27:46.ho opportunist. Another big story. This is the case of Pauline
:27:47. > :27:50.Cafferkey. The Ibo and nurse. Her solicitor had to say this after the
:27:51. > :27:57.judgment. As the panel heard, Pauline and have fellow volunteers
:27:58. > :28:02.arrived at the airport they were faced with chaotic scenes. Public
:28:03. > :28:06.health work on prepared for the people affected by a bowler. There
:28:07. > :28:25.were serious -- the bowler. --Ebola He was also these things
:28:26. > :28:32.that cause her to be bull when I first heard the chances, I thought
:28:33. > :28:35.there must be something that we don't know here. Something must
:28:36. > :28:39.emerge from the hearing. The only thing that has emerged is that how
:28:40. > :28:47.chaotic this screening was. At Heathrow. They made the complaint
:28:48. > :28:54.while knowing that the operation was chaotic for stuff I don't understand
:28:55. > :28:58.the motivation at all. Great deal motivation for Pauline Cafferkey.
:28:59. > :29:04.Given everything that she has been through to face this hearing. It is
:29:05. > :29:08.so unjust. Coming from this with her reputation enhanced and intact. This
:29:09. > :29:13.will rebound on Public Health England. It was a serious situation.
:29:14. > :29:17.The situation with chaotic at Heathrow Airport. The workers
:29:18. > :29:25.returned home, but take this case forward. Try to get someone struck
:29:26. > :29:30.off because of this is a very serious error of judgment and they
:29:31. > :29:33.have to look to themselves at their conduct in this matter. I imagine
:29:34. > :29:39.there will be a clamour for an apology in this issue. It is the
:29:40. > :29:46.nursing and midwifery Council as well. They have got questions to
:29:47. > :29:48.answer as well. Thank you much for joining us.
:29:49. > :29:52.Shelly Jofre is here tomorrow night, usual time.