:00:00. > :00:00.With one in five new students reporting sexual harassment
:00:00. > :00:07.in their first week of term, universities take steps
:00:08. > :00:34.Sexual harassment and abuse on campus.
:00:35. > :00:36.Is enough being done to keep students safe?
:00:37. > :00:38.Scottish and UK Brexit ministers meet for the first
:00:39. > :00:46.And cutting-edge technology that's breaking down
:00:47. > :01:00.It's that time of year when tens of thousands of young people
:01:01. > :01:02.are embarking on a new chapter as students, often living away
:01:03. > :01:11.Freshers' Week is meant to be fun but for a significant minority
:01:12. > :01:14.of students the first week of term is marred by sexual harassment
:01:15. > :01:17.This year, for the first time, several of Scotland's universities
:01:18. > :01:19.are taking steps to tackle the problem.
:01:20. > :01:30.This woman says she was sexually assaulted when she was a student.
:01:31. > :01:35.The case went to trial but the accused was found not guilty. She
:01:36. > :01:39.says the attack had a devastating effect on her and her studies. I
:01:40. > :01:47.don't remember agreeing to it or anything like that. And I find
:01:48. > :01:53.myself being strangled and raped, basically, and it was a very scary
:01:54. > :01:57.experience and I remember running out of the place terrified, running
:01:58. > :02:03.into some workers to help me and get me back to my friend who I was out
:02:04. > :02:06.with, and he phoned the police. The first week of University is supposed
:02:07. > :02:11.to be one of the best times of your life. But one in five students have
:02:12. > :02:15.reported experiencing some sort of sexual harassment during the first
:02:16. > :02:20.week, according to a report by the NUS. Sexual violence is a problem
:02:21. > :02:23.for universities around the country but it is on campus in Glasgow that
:02:24. > :02:27.staff and students have decided to take action and do something about
:02:28. > :02:31.it. Over the past 18 months the University of Glasgow has been
:02:32. > :02:36.working jointly with the University of Glasgow Caledonian and with Rape
:02:37. > :02:43.Crisis Scotland and Police Scotland to put into place a strategy to
:02:44. > :02:45.raise awareness about sexual violence on campus, to train
:02:46. > :02:49.students to recognise and identify and be able to signpost to other
:02:50. > :02:54.services when students might report or disclose that they have
:02:55. > :02:58.experienced unwanted sexual attention or sexual violence
:02:59. > :03:02.perpetrated against them and put into strategies in order to make it
:03:03. > :03:08.easier for students to know where to go and where to report and to
:03:09. > :03:14.support them if they wish to report. Are you OK? These Freshers' Week
:03:15. > :03:17.helpers are on hand to show new students the ropes but this year
:03:18. > :03:21.Glasgow University volunteers have been trained in how to give support
:03:22. > :03:27.and advice to victims of sexual assault. The initiative is joint
:03:28. > :03:30.project with Glasgow Caledonian University, but about their students
:03:31. > :03:34.concerned about the scale of the problem. Sexual violence as a prime
:03:35. > :03:40.area is chronically underreported so the issue, we're not suggesting
:03:41. > :03:44.Glasgow has a huge problem that is not replicated everywhere else, this
:03:45. > :03:49.is a problem in society and universities should take the lead.
:03:50. > :03:52.What do students think? Tackling it head on and getting people from the
:03:53. > :03:57.beginning of University life would be good to raise awareness. We talk
:03:58. > :04:02.about rape and hear about that but not the smaller areas of sexual
:04:03. > :04:06.harassment, which is a bigger problem, the way people talk to
:04:07. > :04:11.women on campus, for example. There is definitely an issue, I have not
:04:12. > :04:16.experienced it yet, I hope I don't, but we should try to combat it. Rape
:04:17. > :04:21.crisis have developed the training being delivered on campus. Something
:04:22. > :04:25.like one in seven women students have experienced physical violence
:04:26. > :04:30.and sexual assault whilst at university and something like 68%
:04:31. > :04:33.have experienced sexual harassment, a significant number have
:04:34. > :04:37.experienced things like unwanted touching or groping on a night out
:04:38. > :04:41.and those things are commonly experienced. This is a pilot year
:04:42. > :04:43.for the initiative but it is hoped it will be rolled out again next
:04:44. > :04:45.year. Well, joining me now to talk
:04:46. > :04:50.about all this from London is lawyer and author of the book 'Why Rape
:04:51. > :04:52.Culture is a Dangerous Myth', And here in the studio
:04:53. > :04:56.is Dr Kallia Manoussaki, psychology lecturer
:04:57. > :05:05.at the University of Good evening to both of you. There
:05:06. > :05:10.are worrying statistics in the report. If my daughter was going to
:05:11. > :05:15.university, I would be pretty worried about that. It is worrying
:05:16. > :05:18.but it is not only this year, this year thankfully attention has been
:05:19. > :05:24.brought to it, sexual violence has been going on for as long as human
:05:25. > :05:32.beings have been living on the earth. It is just that recently we
:05:33. > :05:36.have tried to bring about some sort of solution and universities have
:05:37. > :05:40.been a little bit slow to deal with this problem but we are doing
:05:41. > :05:46.something and we're very proud about that. Your university launched the
:05:47. > :05:51.campaign yesterday. What is it you hope to achieve? Well, through
:05:52. > :05:56.external partnerships we hope to create spaces for students to learn
:05:57. > :06:02.about all sorts of issues relating to sexual violence and were hoping
:06:03. > :06:06.they'd teach others, without students will lead workshops and
:06:07. > :06:12.focus groups and art projects and help each other because for us, the
:06:13. > :06:17.solution lies in changing destructive attitudes because we
:06:18. > :06:21.believe that it is the attitudes that actually provide a fertile
:06:22. > :06:27.ground for sexual violence to happen in the first place. It informs all
:06:28. > :06:33.of our decisions. Luke Gittos, what do you make of initiatives like
:06:34. > :06:36.this? These statistics have been around for a long time, we had a
:06:37. > :06:41.report from the NHS a few years ago with roughly the same statistic but
:06:42. > :06:46.it is worth looking closer at it, the one in five statistic is based
:06:47. > :06:50.on a self-selecting survey which means the NUS actively encourage
:06:51. > :06:54.people to respond to the survey and deliver reports. That is a classic
:06:55. > :06:56.mythological mistake because you encourage people who have something
:06:57. > :07:04.to report rather than a sample that is random. I think it is definitely
:07:05. > :07:09.overestimating the problem, on a campus context, there is no reliable
:07:10. > :07:14.evidence that sexual violence is more prevalent in university or any
:07:15. > :07:18.evidence of any epidemic. Throughout the history of rape discussion from
:07:19. > :07:22.the 70s onwards universities have always been a site where people
:07:23. > :07:26.argue that sexual violence takes place because it is that it was more
:07:27. > :07:32.promiscuous place but the evidence tells us that students are far less
:07:33. > :07:35.than they were, they are more afraid of going out and being sexually
:07:36. > :07:41.liberated and that is the real issue. With all the fear we stoking
:07:42. > :07:44.up around sexual violence on campus, students are becoming more worried
:07:45. > :07:47.about living a really important aspect of their personal lives,
:07:48. > :07:51.their sexual lives, when they meet people, for the love and have
:07:52. > :07:55.relationships and we are creating such a toxic environment around the
:07:56. > :07:58.discussion, this talk of violence and assaults in nightclubs, all of
:07:59. > :08:03.this is still in the minds of students with the idea that anybody
:08:04. > :08:08.out there is a potential rapist and that is incredibly problematic. What
:08:09. > :08:13.is your response to that? Were actually making students fearful,
:08:14. > :08:21.that low-level Everyday Sexism is not the same as being under the
:08:22. > :08:27.threat of sexual violence? -- every day sex. This is not about sex at
:08:28. > :08:30.universities as such, this is universities recognising that sexual
:08:31. > :08:37.assault happens in the world, everywhere, in bedrooms, behind
:08:38. > :08:42.alleyways, in front of bins, and it also happens during university life,
:08:43. > :08:44.this is not about students, university suddenly terrifying
:08:45. > :08:53.students by implying something will happen at university. But there are
:08:54. > :09:00.aren't similar campaign starting in work, this is for young people as
:09:01. > :09:06.students? This is not just about higher institutions, also secondary
:09:07. > :09:09.institutions and primary schools, taking their responsibilities much
:09:10. > :09:13.more seriously, we do not want to just teach students about different
:09:14. > :09:18.disciplines, we want to encourage them to become socially responsible
:09:19. > :09:21.citizens, it is part of our learning programme, not because suddenly
:09:22. > :09:25.universities have become a place where rape happens all the time but
:09:26. > :09:31.because universities recognise that rape happens in the world at large
:09:32. > :09:35.and we want to embed this within our educational programmes, we want to
:09:36. > :09:37.change attitudes as part of our educational programmes to prepare
:09:38. > :09:44.them for the world, not just university life. What is wrong with
:09:45. > :09:48.that? I don't know what it means. Sexual violence is a very public at
:09:49. > :09:51.a problem. There is an enormous amount of information but it is
:09:52. > :09:56.often difficult to ascertain what the truth is and if you look at the
:09:57. > :10:02.statistics, there is a wide range of problems with identifying any clear
:10:03. > :10:05.trends. We don't very little about sexual violence perpetrators, we
:10:06. > :10:09.know they tend to be repeat offenders, they tend to be targeted
:10:10. > :10:12.in what they do and we know that they tend to assault people close to
:10:13. > :10:17.them. All of which is counteracted by the student awareness movement
:10:18. > :10:20.which seems to encourage the idea that almost anyone you meet in a
:10:21. > :10:26.nightclub is liable to take you home and force you to have sex with them.
:10:27. > :10:29.The idea that all of this is about making students aware that sexual
:10:30. > :10:32.violence exists in the world is counter-productive. Students should
:10:33. > :10:35.learn about sexual violence but they should learn about the serious
:10:36. > :10:40.academic work that goes on around the topic. There is a vast amount.
:10:41. > :10:44.There is all manner of books they can read. That is not what this
:10:45. > :10:47.movement is about, it is about stoking fear and panic around an
:10:48. > :10:54.issue they don't really need to worry about. You are shaking their
:10:55. > :11:01.head? Universities are place of learning and sexual violence is such
:11:02. > :11:06.a multifaceted issue. We take our responsibility very seriously, our
:11:07. > :11:11.student volunteers, our male student volunteers as well as female
:11:12. > :11:17.volunteers would be quite taken aback by the statements because they
:11:18. > :11:21.are very proud that universities take a moral education and social
:11:22. > :11:28.education as seriously as academic education. In fact, we are looking
:11:29. > :11:33.at rape from an academic point of view, we are looking at research and
:11:34. > :11:37.we are looking at how attitude changes can make a real difference.
:11:38. > :11:42.The World Health Organisation report recently said that one of the most
:11:43. > :11:47.important things educational institutions can do is raise
:11:48. > :11:52.awareness about how attitudes actually link to sexual violence.
:11:53. > :11:56.Very briefly, we're almost out of time... This idea that attitudes
:11:57. > :12:02.lead to sexual violence has been debunked. There is a fantastic book,
:12:03. > :12:06.a history of rape and sexual violence, there is a chapter
:12:07. > :12:09.dedicated to arguments that a particular environments lead to an
:12:10. > :12:13.increase in sexual violence, it is used to demonise working-class
:12:14. > :12:17.people in the past, people say working-class people are more likely
:12:18. > :12:22.to be rapists because they live in a debased culture, they said that
:12:23. > :12:28.about black culture. Now, what we have, we have a situation where...
:12:29. > :12:30.We have to leave it there. Thank you both for coming in this evening.
:12:31. > :12:32.Scotland's Brexit Minister says it's "inconceivable" that the Scottish
:12:33. > :12:36.government won't be involved in negotiations on devolved issues.
:12:37. > :12:38.Mike Russell held his first meeting with his Westminster counterpart
:12:39. > :12:42.David Davis earlier today in Downing Street.
:12:43. > :12:44.Afterwards they pledged to establish a "good working relationship".
:12:45. > :12:52.Here's our political correspondent, Nick Eardley.
:12:53. > :12:58.Trying to find a Brexit approach that satisfies the UK and Scottish
:12:59. > :13:03.governments could be a challenge. Today was a first step to trying to
:13:04. > :13:08.figure out how that might happen. Two things in particular today were
:13:09. > :13:13.important. Firstly, trying to establish a formal process whereby
:13:14. > :13:18.Scottish ministers can feed into the UK Brexit strategy. In particular,
:13:19. > :13:22.on devolved issues, Mike Russell was keen to say he thinks Scottish
:13:23. > :13:27.ministers have to play a pretty crucial role in talks with Europe.
:13:28. > :13:30.Secondly, it was a chance for the Scottish government to highlight its
:13:31. > :13:35.key interest- the one we have heard a lot about in the last few weeks is
:13:36. > :13:39.membership, continued membership of the European single market. After
:13:40. > :13:44.the talks in Downing Street today, I caught up with Mike Russell.
:13:45. > :13:50.Devolution is clearly massively embedded in the whole of the UK, we
:13:51. > :13:55.believe in moving on from that but it would be inconceivable that areas
:13:56. > :13:58.of devolved responsibility were negotiated on and away by anybody
:13:59. > :14:01.else because they are the responsibility of the Scottish
:14:02. > :14:05.government and parliament and we have to make it absolutely clear.
:14:06. > :14:11.There are clearly things you think are crucial to Scotland's interest.
:14:12. > :14:15.What happens if the UK government does not incorporate these things in
:14:16. > :14:19.its overall strategy? Is at the point at which you say we need
:14:20. > :14:23.another referendum? We have not even started those discussions, we are in
:14:24. > :14:28.the process of setting them up, you can ask me when they are under way
:14:29. > :14:32.and the moment I go into those discussions with the positive
:14:33. > :14:36.intention of putting a case and the argument. There will be more on the
:14:37. > :14:41.formal process of Scottish involvement in the next few weeks.
:14:42. > :14:44.That issue of the single market is accommodated one. Scottish ministers
:14:45. > :14:50.want continued membership, UK ministers want access but they also
:14:51. > :14:55.want to reduce migration from the EU, something seen as a key reason
:14:56. > :14:59.for the leave out. Then the European side says you cannot have one or the
:15:00. > :15:03.other, you cannot have access to the single market without free movement
:15:04. > :15:09.so definitely a square to be circled. David Davis was unable to
:15:10. > :15:13.talk to us after those talks with Mike Russell today but we did speak
:15:14. > :15:14.to David Mondale, who also spoke to Mike Russell about the Scotland role
:15:15. > :15:23.with the UK approach. We could have had pharyngeal
:15:24. > :15:26.arrangements in relation to Scotland, where there were specific
:15:27. > :15:31.issues that related to Scotland and were not as prevalent in the other
:15:32. > :15:35.parts of the UK, but the case needs to be made and the detail needs to
:15:36. > :15:40.be brought forward, that is part of what this exercise is about. It is
:15:41. > :15:45.important that the negotiation position is based on factual
:15:46. > :15:51.analysis, on listening. We are at a very early stage in the process, we
:15:52. > :15:58.have to understand how we take forward the respective interests of
:15:59. > :16:00.Scotland and other parts of the UK and how the negotiations will be
:16:01. > :16:06.struck. Some movement towards a process for
:16:07. > :16:12.Scottish involvement. What could be harder is finding the deal that
:16:13. > :16:13.satisfies everyone, Scotland, the UK and Europe. The talks will continue
:16:14. > :16:17.in the weeks to come. Now, smart glasses that
:16:18. > :16:19.recognise your friends and can read you a menu if you're partially
:16:20. > :16:22.sighted, goggles that can help someone with no sight loss
:16:23. > :16:25.experience a variety Just some of the cutting-edge
:16:26. > :16:29.technology on show in Glasgow at a Europe-wide conference
:16:30. > :16:33.which got underway today. The TechShare event aims
:16:34. > :16:35.to highlight the potential of innovation to transform
:16:36. > :16:52.the lives of blind people. What if the world look like this? Or
:16:53. > :16:56.like this? That is the reality for 188,000 Scottish people with
:16:57. > :17:01.significant side loss. The technology can help. The theme of
:17:02. > :17:05.the Europe wide conference that started today in Glasgow. Mainstream
:17:06. > :17:10.technology is becoming more accessible, allowing interfaces to
:17:11. > :17:15.talk, so we have some songs here showing their smart TVs, allowing
:17:16. > :17:20.people to use the interface if they have no useful vision, by navigating
:17:21. > :17:26.it with speech. We have the chance to see what is possible to do, not
:17:27. > :17:30.necessarily using your vision, but by using speech or tactile access to
:17:31. > :17:35.gain the same level of opportunity that other people take for granted.
:17:36. > :17:38.One company is exhibiting a smart camera that clips onto glasses. They
:17:39. > :17:44.claim it could learn faces and read text. Imagine you enter a
:17:45. > :17:50.restaurant, the waiter hands you a menu. If you can't read it with your
:17:51. > :17:54.eyes, if you are wearing this, it is simple, you pick up the menu, point
:17:55. > :18:01.at it with your finger, the device will start reading it to you. Lentil
:18:02. > :18:05.soup served with crusty bread. When you want to stop, give it a stop
:18:06. > :18:12.gesture, and it stops reading. It can read text, recognise faces and
:18:13. > :18:15.identify products. It is translating visual information into audio for
:18:16. > :18:19.people who cannot see or who have sight loss. What technology do
:18:20. > :18:25.people actually use and what difference does it make? I use a
:18:26. > :18:30.mixture of Braille, tactile, and also audio technology. I have an
:18:31. > :18:36.iPhone and iPod that speak to me and screen reader software that reads my
:18:37. > :18:43.computer screen, so I'd use that to read e-mails. I use dictation, to
:18:44. > :18:51.dictate e-mails and touch type. Loads, I listen to books and radio
:18:52. > :18:54.and podcasts and all that, a talking microwave... It breaks down the
:18:55. > :19:00.physical barriers that now do not exist. For people who don't have
:19:01. > :19:05.experience of blindness or side loss, this can offer a tremendous
:19:06. > :19:10.insight into the type of challenges that people with vision loss will
:19:11. > :19:13.face, but using digital technology. It is a unique and Judy to explore
:19:14. > :19:21.first-hand what the fragility is might be, what the challenges are.
:19:22. > :19:26.These goggles are supposed to allow you to experience different sight
:19:27. > :19:30.loss conditions, so what IMC aimed at the moment through the goggles
:19:31. > :19:34.and you can see on the screen is a sense of what it would be like to
:19:35. > :19:40.have cataracts. If I go to the menu and change it to better night as
:19:41. > :19:44.pigment hoser, you can see that people with this condition
:19:45. > :19:52.effectively experience a tunnel of light in a world which is otherwise
:19:53. > :19:55.dark. I suppose the idea is so that product designers and even family
:19:56. > :20:00.members get a sense of what different side loss conditions are
:20:01. > :20:05.really like. But technology will never replace some things.
:20:06. > :20:09.With me now to discuss some of today's news are the journalist
:20:10. > :20:16.Anna Burnside and the former Labour MP Tom Harris.
:20:17. > :20:23.That begin with the story of a nurse with cancer who wrote to the First
:20:24. > :20:27.Minister, asking for reform of drug funding. She was told she will be
:20:28. > :20:33.given her medicine on the NHS. Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs that the
:20:34. > :20:37.NHS would now provide the prescription.
:20:38. > :20:40.Kezia Dugdale had raised the issue. The system has to be reformed so
:20:41. > :20:45.that in future cancer patients do not have to hold bake sales to find
:20:46. > :20:50.the money they need for the cancer treatment that they need. Can I ask
:20:51. > :20:53.the First Minister again, when the review is published, can she assure
:20:54. > :21:02.the chamber that cases like this will never happen again? I cannot
:21:03. > :21:06.and I will not give an assurance that no patient would ever again
:21:07. > :21:12.find that they cannot access a drug that they think they should, because
:21:13. > :21:17.in any system that has to assess drugs, there will inevitably be hard
:21:18. > :21:21.vision that are difficult for all of us where drugs are not accessible
:21:22. > :21:26.for a particular patient. You write for the record, they
:21:27. > :21:32.published this powerful story. A fantastic story for us. Do you think
:21:33. > :21:39.that Nicola Sturgeon was right to say she could not promise to be able
:21:40. > :21:44.to do this in lots of other cases? Unfortunately I do. She cannot be
:21:45. > :21:49.writing blank cheques from behind her lectin. It is not appropriate,
:21:50. > :21:59.she is not the appropriate person to make blanket statements on who can
:22:00. > :22:01.and cannot get certain drugs. Especially as technology has
:22:02. > :22:08.progressed, there will always be hard raking stories like this one,
:22:09. > :22:16.and our instinct is to want to help everybody. She has two sign off on
:22:17. > :22:19.the cheques, she knows that it is not possible. It is ghastly for her
:22:20. > :22:24.and it is a political Achilles heel for anyone in that position. Kezia
:22:25. > :22:29.Dugdale has the moral high ground, this woman's friends are holding
:22:30. > :22:38.bake sales to pay for her treatment, nobody wants that, but she cannot
:22:39. > :22:43.just say, everybody, here they are, and throw them out like Smarties.
:22:44. > :22:47.The Scottish medicines Consortium have to look at all of the evidence
:22:48. > :22:53.and make these difficult decisions. I wonder how helpful if this went it
:22:54. > :22:58.is bypassed. Those decisions are better taken not by ministers or
:22:59. > :23:03.politicians, who obviously going to more susceptible to newspaper
:23:04. > :23:11.headlines. Nicola Sturgeon was right. If Kezia Dugdale found
:23:12. > :23:14.herself in Nicola Sturgeon's position, she would have to say the
:23:15. > :23:19.same thing. There is a limited amount of money, we cannot start
:23:20. > :23:27.doling out life-saving medicines based either on media pressure or
:23:28. > :23:36.under political pressure. It has got to be done on the medical evidence.
:23:37. > :23:40.In England it is done by NICE, in Scotland we have our own system,
:23:41. > :23:46.that is better than it being in ministers' hands. Hillary Clinton
:23:47. > :23:50.back on the campaign trail after having pneumonia. Her health has
:23:51. > :23:54.become a central issue. She tackled it had on in her first public
:23:55. > :23:58.appearance in a few hours ago. As you may know, I recently had a
:23:59. > :24:06.cough that turned out to be pneumonia. I tried to power through
:24:07. > :24:12.it. Even I had to admit that may be a few days of rest would do me good.
:24:13. > :24:17.What do you think of how she has handled this? She has pulled it
:24:18. > :24:23.back. She and the team handled that badly, it made them look secretive,
:24:24. > :24:27.as if they had something to hide why not fronting it up in the first
:24:28. > :24:32.place. I can understand why she did it, if she had not gone to the
:24:33. > :24:37.memorial service and she had been in bed, she would have been pelted for
:24:38. > :24:42.that. But she got pelted for going and struggling and having to be
:24:43. > :24:48.escorted off into a van. That was the right decision now, to front it
:24:49. > :24:52.up and make a joke of it. Everybody gets a cold and a cough. I don't
:24:53. > :24:59.think anybody should realistically be holding that against her
:25:00. > :25:02.suitability to be the president. You will know how carefully
:25:03. > :25:12.stage-managed these things have to be, every detail. The background
:25:13. > :25:17.music was James Brown, Feeling Good. Talk about protesting too much, they
:25:18. > :25:19.don't do subtlety. I am nervous, in a situation where the Republicans
:25:20. > :25:27.have got Donald Trump is the nominee, I'd wish the Democrats had
:25:28. > :25:31.come up with another candidate who was far more trusted and popular.
:25:32. > :25:36.Hillary Clinton is not trusted or popular. If she gets the presidency,
:25:37. > :25:38.it will be because she is not dislike quite as much as Donald
:25:39. > :25:45.Trump, which is a dangerous situation. There is a danger that
:25:46. > :25:48.this plays into the idea that she is not trustworthy, there is a
:25:49. > :25:54.cover-up, here we go again with them. The secrecy thing plays badly.
:25:55. > :25:58.If Donald Trump wins, it will be the fault of the Democrats and Hillary
:25:59. > :26:05.Clinton. Let's move on to the final story, Brexit. We heard that the
:26:06. > :26:09.Scottish and UK ministers met for the first time in London today, it
:26:10. > :26:16.was all smiles and pledges to work together, do you buy that? No, of
:26:17. > :26:24.course not. It is ghastly, difficult and horrible decisions they have to
:26:25. > :26:30.make. I see nothing but the debris of crumpled bits of paper and broken
:26:31. > :26:35.dreams and promises on the conference table, I don't see this
:26:36. > :26:40.going well at all. You led the Leave campaign in Scotland, you argued
:26:41. > :26:46.about the positive benefits, are you still so optimistic? Yes. It is
:26:47. > :26:51.vital that Mike Russell and the other ministers get closely involved
:26:52. > :26:56.in these negotiations. The day after the referendum, David Cameron, the
:26:57. > :27:00.first thing he said, before he resigned, was that he wanted all of
:27:01. > :27:07.the devolved administrations to get involved in these discussions.
:27:08. > :27:11.Fishing, which is already devolved, policy will be decided in Holyrood
:27:12. > :27:16.after ten back row, which is really important. We need Scottish
:27:17. > :27:21.ministers in there from the start. Arguing for the best possible deal
:27:22. > :27:27.for our industry. Are you confident they will be embedded? I think they
:27:28. > :27:34.well. The English ministers, the UK ministers, they know that
:27:35. > :27:37.politically they need to get the Scottish ministers and the Northern
:27:38. > :27:41.Irish and Welsh ministers on board, because there is a lot of talent
:27:42. > :27:45.there, and the more they have, the better deal we will get. I wonder
:27:46. > :27:53.what room for common ground there is. I hope there is some. We want to
:27:54. > :28:01.get the best deal out of this we possibly can. I hope Tom's optimism
:28:02. > :28:07.is grounded and that everybody can get over their differences and get
:28:08. > :28:10.the best deal possible. You are not unnerved by this uncertainty? Is
:28:11. > :28:16.that what you anticipate it would happen if there was a Leave vote? It
:28:17. > :28:24.is wrong to say I am not on the, but I am more optimistic than people who
:28:25. > :28:31.voted Remain. I think there are some amazing possibilities are potential
:28:32. > :28:34.gains, out of this, as long as Scotland is represented at the core
:28:35. > :28:37.of these discussions. We can win out of it. We will have to leave it
:28:38. > :28:38.there. That's it for tonight
:28:39. > :28:40.and for this week. Until then, have a good
:28:41. > :29:09.weekend, bye bye. 50 years ago,
:29:10. > :29:13.they became superstars in astronomy,