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:00:00. > :00:08.What have we got against fruit and veg?

:00:09. > :00:26.We are smoking and drinking less, but why aren't our diets improving?

:00:27. > :00:31.A survey of the health of the nation suggests advice on healthy

:00:32. > :00:36.Kezia Dugdale's smiling - as the Scottish Labour party gets

:00:37. > :00:38.more decision making power at the party's ruling body.

:00:39. > :00:40.And is the meaning of Brexit coming into focus?

:00:41. > :00:55.The Scottish Health survey out today had some encouraging news -

:00:56. > :00:59.There are fewer binge drinkers and smokers but more

:01:00. > :01:05.Most of us are exercising - but almost a third of Scots are not

:01:06. > :01:13.Neither is our apparent aversion to fruit and veg.

:01:14. > :01:15.Aileen Clarke has been trying to find out why the vast majority

:01:16. > :01:26.of us don't eat the recommended five portions a day.

:01:27. > :01:33.Take a look around Scotland's cities. The landscape is changing.

:01:34. > :01:37.All high-rises are being pulled down. Smart low-rise houses with

:01:38. > :01:41.gardens appearing in their places. But there are some trends which

:01:42. > :01:45.don't appear to be changing. We are still more likely to have deep-fried

:01:46. > :01:51.food... Ben Boyle vegetables like broccoli

:01:52. > :01:55.-- than Boyle. The latest research shows that only

:01:56. > :01:59.around one fifth of adults met the five-day fruit and veg

:02:00. > :02:04.recommendation, and 11% of adults said that they did not eat any fruit

:02:05. > :02:08.or vegetables. Children are even worse, only 12% of

:02:09. > :02:12.children had their five a day while 7% said that they did not eat any

:02:13. > :02:16.fruit or vegetables at all. So most of us in Scotland are not

:02:17. > :02:20.getting off either day. But that comes at a time where fruit

:02:21. > :02:22.and veg appear to be at the forefront of the supermarket price

:02:23. > :02:27.war is. Look at this.

:02:28. > :02:32.I have my greens, bananas, onions, fun size apples, plums, two tens of

:02:33. > :02:36.tomatoes and a tenor of peas, all for less than ?5.

:02:37. > :02:41.But that does not appear to be in courage in us to eat more fruit and

:02:42. > :02:45.vegetables -- tins. Unravelling why we eat what we do is complex,

:02:46. > :02:49.according to this expert. Price is only one factor to consider

:02:50. > :02:53.when trying to change people's habits. It's a cultural change but

:02:54. > :02:57.we have to tackle it and think of ways outside the box to encourage

:02:58. > :03:02.people to buy fruit and vegetables, and to cook with it, particularly

:03:03. > :03:07.vegetables, eat it raw and get a liking of it.

:03:08. > :03:10.Snack with it. At the same time, this is the reality, it cannot just

:03:11. > :03:15.be making those things a better price but we have to make unhealthy

:03:16. > :03:18.stuff harder to buy and more expensive.

:03:19. > :03:22.It has to be a two-way thing. Let's have a go and see if I can interest

:03:23. > :03:27.anybody in my fruit and vegetables. I have a two-year-old at home. We do

:03:28. > :03:30.it as a family to make sure he's getting all of the vitamins he

:03:31. > :03:37.needs. Looking at my shopping... Would you be up for the broccoli?

:03:38. > :03:42.Yes. Potatoes and plums? Yes. Mangetout? I love that. You are

:03:43. > :03:48.happy with all of that? Is there anything I can interest you in? Do

:03:49. > :03:53.you do plums? No, I don't like them. I love broccoli. Mangetout? No.

:03:54. > :04:03.Don't you want to try it? I don't like them! What about one of these?

:04:04. > :04:10.Green beans, ie them. -- I read them. I don't like plums. How are

:04:11. > :04:14.you making up your five a day? Bananas and grapes, tomatoes and

:04:15. > :04:22.cucumbers, lettuce... Onions... Everything really. But not a fan of

:04:23. > :04:25.broccoli? No, not broccoli. This project in Glasgow is tried to

:04:26. > :04:30.approach the healthy eating message from the soil up, encouraging people

:04:31. > :04:35.to grow their own and cook with it. There are barriers to be broken

:04:36. > :04:38.down. We have been sleepwalking into this way of shopping in the

:04:39. > :04:41.supermarket. We have lost contact with how food

:04:42. > :04:47.is produced and how it should be produced. Plenty to tempt the taste

:04:48. > :04:52.buds here. But if you are still more likely to push cauliflower aside and

:04:53. > :04:53.go for chips, if you wondering, chips don't count as one of your

:04:54. > :04:56.five a day! Getting her shopping done at the

:04:57. > :05:03.same time as well! I asked Linda Bauld,

:05:04. > :05:05.who's Professor of Health Policy at the University of Stirling,

:05:06. > :05:16.what needs to be done We know it's an average of three

:05:17. > :05:19.portions of fruit and vegetables a day that adults in Scotland are

:05:20. > :05:23.currently consuming, well below what we recommend. I think there are a

:05:24. > :05:26.number of things there, we had to communicate to people about the

:05:27. > :05:31.health benefits of eating healthily and we need to make it easier for

:05:32. > :05:45.them to make healthy choices. So, at the moment in Scotland, we have

:05:46. > :05:48.multibuy promotions of unhealthy foods. We have to give people the

:05:49. > :05:54.right information and get the government to take action as well.

:05:55. > :05:59.As we saw in that report, vegetables are plentiful and easy to buy. There

:06:00. > :06:02.are more supermarkets than ever and vegetables have never been cheaper?

:06:03. > :06:07.It's true but some of the other products are cheaper than that as

:06:08. > :06:09.well. I think some of the promotions we have surrounding fizzy drinks,

:06:10. > :06:14.let's keep in mind we have some of the highest fizzy drink consumption

:06:15. > :06:18.in Western Europe, and some of the foods that we buy are very high in

:06:19. > :06:22.salt and sugar, for example. They are very accessible. And there

:06:23. > :06:25.is the marketing of them. If vegetables are accessible and

:06:26. > :06:30.affordable, they are not the products we see promoted on our

:06:31. > :06:33.televisions, are they? We are all aware of the dangers of smoking and

:06:34. > :06:40.how it affects your lungs, and we are aware of the dangers of drinking

:06:41. > :06:43.too much and how it affects your liver, why don't we make the

:06:44. > :06:48.connection between a poor diet and what it does to our waistlines? Well

:06:49. > :06:51.actually, people don't necessarily have a good understanding of the

:06:52. > :06:58.impact of a poor diet and health. We did a study with Cancer Research

:06:59. > :07:03.UK, three in four Scots did not realise that obesity was related to

:07:04. > :07:06.cancer. Smoking is an interesting contrast.

:07:07. > :07:11.We had decades of health campaigning but it is not just about telling

:07:12. > :07:15.people that smoking is harmful, we had smoke-free laws, a ban on

:07:16. > :07:18.tobacco marketing, higher prices, and a lot of concerted government

:07:19. > :07:23.action. What we call comprehensive action

:07:24. > :07:26.but we have not seen any of that on diet and obesity related factors.

:07:27. > :07:31.You think we need more legislation, what would you propose? A sugar tax?

:07:32. > :07:34.The Westminster government is consulting on that. We were quite

:07:35. > :07:42.disappointed with their strategy. The Scottish Government will publish

:07:43. > :07:46.a baby city strategy, I want to see action on promotions and marketing

:07:47. > :07:53.-- OP -- obesity.

:07:54. > :07:58.Learning what we have done with tobacco. It is about striking a

:07:59. > :08:01.balance but we are looking for more ambition from the Scottish

:08:02. > :08:06.Government. Tackling obesity in terms of health consequences has

:08:07. > :08:11.cost the NHS in Scotland well above ?300 million a year, we don't want

:08:12. > :08:16.to have to deal with that in future. In some senses it is easy to tax

:08:17. > :08:22.alcohol and attacks tobacco but as you say, everybody needs to eat.

:08:23. > :08:25.If you put too high a tax on food it will penalised everyone. What we

:08:26. > :08:29.want to see is a playing field where we benefit or make the healthier

:08:30. > :08:33.products more affordable. And make the unhealthy products less

:08:34. > :08:37.affordable. People are really influenced by

:08:38. > :08:41.price. Nowadays, a of people don't have a lot of money in pockets.

:08:42. > :08:45.-- a lot of people. We want to change the environment

:08:46. > :08:49.and if we can do that, it makes it easier for people and their

:08:50. > :08:53.families. We saw the push back over the years from the tobacco industry.

:08:54. > :09:00.The food industry, is it likely to offer a opposition to government

:09:01. > :09:04.legislation? Yes, there are a lot of retailers

:09:05. > :09:08.doing responsible things, but at the end of the day they are interested

:09:09. > :09:13.in profits and shareholders. They will try to market products and make

:09:14. > :09:18.people and consumers consume as much as they can. Portion sizes in

:09:19. > :09:21.Scotland have gone up significantly in recent years, I imagine we will

:09:22. > :09:26.see the same tactics. The government has irresponsibility

:09:27. > :09:30.to protect the public's health and strike a balance between what the

:09:31. > :09:33.industry wants to do in some circumstances.

:09:34. > :09:38.Looking at this survey on the whole, do you think our attitude to looking

:09:39. > :09:40.after ourselves is getting better? I think some of the messages are ready

:09:41. > :09:46.positive. Look at the reduction in second-hand

:09:47. > :09:52.smoke exposure in children, down to 6%, a target already met.

:09:53. > :09:56.We are definitely making progress. Half of the adult population in

:09:57. > :10:00.Scotland have a chronic condition and obesity is still rising. It is

:10:01. > :10:04.not just about people taking responsibility for their own health

:10:05. > :10:07.by the government taking action, giving information and changing

:10:08. > :10:11.things. That will improve the health of Scotland. We have a long way to

:10:12. > :10:14.go competitive some of our countries who are neighbours, and there are

:10:15. > :10:16.definitely things we can do to change that.

:10:17. > :10:19.Now, one man who loves his fruit 'n' veg is Jeremy Corbyn.

:10:20. > :10:22.With just hours to go until the deadline for ballot papers

:10:23. > :10:25.in the Labour leadership contest, the embattled Labour leader could be

:10:26. > :10:27.forgiven for wanting to retire to his well-tended allotment

:10:28. > :10:31.But the question of who should lead the party isn't the only matter

:10:32. > :10:34.Labour's National Executive Committee has been locked in intense

:10:35. > :10:36.debate over how the party should be run.

:10:37. > :10:49.I'm joined now by Johanna Baxter who sits on the NEC....

:10:50. > :10:54.More than eight hours of negotiations today, and precious

:10:55. > :10:59.little agreement. This does not really bode well for future party

:11:00. > :11:04.unity, does it? It was a very long meeting. But a number of significant

:11:05. > :11:10.changes were actually agreed at the meeting. I think that does spell

:11:11. > :11:14.very good things for party unity. One of those was about giving the

:11:15. > :11:18.Scottish Labour Party greater autonomy. One of the things I argued

:11:19. > :11:23.for for the entire duration of my time on the NEC for the last six

:11:24. > :11:25.years is that leaders of the Scottish and Welsh parties have a

:11:26. > :11:31.place at the National executive committee.

:11:32. > :11:33.With full voting rights. So, we recognise the devolved settlement

:11:34. > :11:39.that exists across the UK. And we got agreement on that today.

:11:40. > :11:44.It is a massive step forward, and what the NEC will now do is put that

:11:45. > :11:49.proposal to the Labour Party conference taking place next week,

:11:50. > :11:53.and I hope the conference are behind that and agree the proposal going

:11:54. > :11:57.forward. And it also means the Scottish party has control over who

:11:58. > :12:05.is going to stand for Parliament as well? Absolutely. Obviously the

:12:06. > :12:11.Scottish party has full control over who stands in the administration of

:12:12. > :12:16.those procedures. This also ensures that the Scottish party has full

:12:17. > :12:20.control over the administration of Westminster selections and north of

:12:21. > :12:24.the border, recognising that Windows representatives are selected and

:12:25. > :12:30.hopefully elected to Westminster that they form part of the UK Labour

:12:31. > :12:36.MP representation in the House of Commons, so we put forward a united

:12:37. > :12:42.front and we fully support a strengthening United Kingdom. But in

:12:43. > :12:46.terms of selecting those candidates, that is fully in the hands of the

:12:47. > :12:50.Scottish Labour Party. Mostly unanimous agreement over that, in

:12:51. > :12:54.the past there have been complaints by Scottish Labour that London was

:12:55. > :12:59.holding them back. There were certainly I think it was support in

:13:00. > :13:03.terms of selection of candidates, being in the control of the Scottish

:13:04. > :13:09.Labour Party. There was some dispute and there was some debate about the

:13:10. > :13:14.positions on the NEC, but not in respect of whether or not Scotland

:13:15. > :13:19.should have them, but because some colleagues wanted to review the

:13:20. > :13:25.composition of the NEC as a whole and unfortunately I think some of

:13:26. > :13:28.that is down to the fact that there are now some wings of the party who

:13:29. > :13:32.want to polarise debate between the left and the right of the party and

:13:33. > :13:36.actually this is not an issue of left and right, it is what is best

:13:37. > :13:40.for Scotland and the Scottish Labour Party and in the end the vast

:13:41. > :13:44.majority of colleagues agreed that this was in the best interests of

:13:45. > :13:48.Scottish Labour and I'm very, very pleased. The deputy leader Tom

:13:49. > :13:53.Watson wants to go back to the system where MPs elect people onto

:13:54. > :13:57.the Shadow Cabinet but what is wrong with Jeremy Corbyn taking those

:13:58. > :14:04.decisions? He is the Democratic leader of the party. In the past

:14:05. > :14:07.enemy has supported elections for the Shadow Cabinet amongst the PLP

:14:08. > :14:12.and I would agree with Jeremy that this would be a very good thing to

:14:13. > :14:17.bring back but ultimately this is about trying to unite the Labour

:14:18. > :14:25.Party post the leadership election and whoever is the leader after

:14:26. > :14:31.Saturday has a massive job to do in terms of uniting the party. If

:14:32. > :14:35.selections to the Shadow Cabinet hello some MPs who did resign from

:14:36. > :14:41.the Shadow Cabinet to come back and work under a reader that perhaps

:14:42. > :14:45.they didn't vote for them perhaps it would be in the interests of party

:14:46. > :14:48.unity for the leadership to get behind that. Of these MPs who

:14:49. > :14:54.plotted against Mr Corbyn if he is elected again, they should get fully

:14:55. > :14:58.behind the leader? Listen I don't know what it was plotting, to be

:14:59. > :15:04.honest that it was wasn't very successful, but whatever the result

:15:05. > :15:10.on Saturday, there has to be a way forward in terms of uniting our

:15:11. > :15:13.party. I think there is a responsibility, whoever is everyday

:15:14. > :15:16.after Saturday, to hold out an olive branch and Jeremy said that he has

:15:17. > :15:23.been growing one of those in his Westminster offices so if it is him,

:15:24. > :15:27.he has a branch there ready to hand out and I think if selections to the

:15:28. > :15:30.Shadow Cabinet are going to do it then he should get behind that

:15:31. > :15:32.because it is in everybody's interests for the party to unite.

:15:33. > :15:35.Well listening to that here in the studio is Rhea Wolfson,

:15:36. > :15:37.who's been elected to join the NEC, also representing constituency

:15:38. > :15:40.parties, and takes up her role after the Labour conference.

:15:41. > :15:46.She's a member of the Momentum movement and supports Jeremy Corbyn.

:15:47. > :15:53.This idea of an autonomous Scottish Labour Party, is it something you

:15:54. > :16:00.support? It is something that would be incredibly important for

:16:01. > :16:03.efficiency and would improve confidence that the Scottish Labour

:16:04. > :16:09.Party has in the governing of local groups. I think there is a lot of

:16:10. > :16:14.positive news. One part of that agreement is that a front-page MSP

:16:15. > :16:18.should be permanently on the NEC and that person should be nominated by

:16:19. > :16:23.the leader, Kenya Dugdale at the moment, the thing that is a good

:16:24. > :16:27.idea? I love the concern about how this has come about. I think they're

:16:28. > :16:31.absolutely should be an official Scottish drugs and, it's just so

:16:32. > :16:35.happens that we have billions from Wales and it is a coincidence that

:16:36. > :16:39.we have a Scottish and Wales red this time around. That does not

:16:40. > :16:41.usually happen. I think there should be a dedicated Scottish

:16:42. > :16:46.representative and actually we have to look beyond Scotland and Wales

:16:47. > :16:49.and look at the regions. However I have a problem with the fact that

:16:50. > :16:54.this is someone who is appointed so they will not be elected onto the

:16:55. > :16:58.NEC or accountable to anyone. Right now the situation is you have your

:16:59. > :17:04.CLP wrecks, it considers the Labour Party Redken, over 85,000 people

:17:05. > :17:08.fought it for myself. We have trading in rats accountable to trade

:17:09. > :17:11.unions, PLP Reds directly accountable to the Parliamentary

:17:12. > :17:16.Labour Party. Sought nothing to do with the fact that Kenya Dugdale

:17:17. > :17:21.opposes Jeremy Corbyn and you don't want to hand over power? I think it

:17:22. > :17:24.would be naive to say there is the political context of this, but

:17:25. > :17:29.actually I don't want it to overshadow the fact that it is

:17:30. > :17:32.important to have a stronger Scottish voice. This means that we

:17:33. > :17:39.will not have a directly elected Scottish representative on the NEC.

:17:40. > :17:43.I think that is a shame. Unity is surely important, Tom Watson as I

:17:44. > :17:46.mentioned has this idea of going back to the system where MPs have

:17:47. > :17:52.mercy on sits in the Shadow Cabinet. Do you think that is a good idea?

:17:53. > :17:56.Again it is a veritable lyrical context. The people proposing this

:17:57. > :18:00.have not always been so supportive of having this directly elected

:18:01. > :18:05.Shadow Cabinet. I am concerned again about the motives behind this, that

:18:06. > :18:10.it is not about internal party democracy, which is important to

:18:11. > :18:13.myself. It could help heal divisions, many MPs are in the cold

:18:14. > :18:21.and fuel under attack by the new members. This could be a positive

:18:22. > :18:24.thing but I am concerned it could be used to animate Jeremy 's mandate or

:18:25. > :18:28.the manager or is elected on Saturday. One way to reach out would

:18:29. > :18:34.be to have analytical college for the shadow capital members elected

:18:35. > :18:38.by the Parliamentary Labour Party and some appointed. That is one way,

:18:39. > :18:45.a potential compromise we could look at. I think unity is incredibly

:18:46. > :18:49.important but I think we have to look at the context. Jeremy Corbyn

:18:50. > :18:52.has gone one stage further and his suggesting that perhaps the wider

:18:53. > :18:59.membership should have some say over who sits in the Cabinet. Isn't that

:19:00. > :19:03.a mistake in that the directly elected MPs have a mandate, they are

:19:04. > :19:09.the ones who care about Labour getting into power, Harley Berberis

:19:10. > :19:15.well-qualified enough -- are the members well-qualified enough to

:19:16. > :19:21.decide who gets into the cap is? I do not think this is the distinctly

:19:22. > :19:24.should be making, ultimately the PLP are not elected to the Shadow

:19:25. > :19:29.Cabinet, but if the past is that they think they should. It is an

:19:30. > :19:32.interesting conversation to have, having a one person one vote for the

:19:33. > :19:35.Shadow Cabinet but it is an interesting conversation and

:19:36. > :19:39.anything that gets power to the members, I at least support looking

:19:40. > :19:45.into it. Our momentum members sincere about unity and the party?

:19:46. > :19:51.Will you hold out hands to those who disagree with you? Certainly are in

:19:52. > :19:55.most momentum members I encounter a serious about the Labour Party and

:19:56. > :20:02.understand the necessity to have unity in order to be governing in

:20:03. > :20:05.2020, which is vitally important. Those Scottish parliament autonomy

:20:06. > :20:10.proposals must go to conference, will momentum members vote in favour

:20:11. > :20:13.of that? The Scottish economy once, there will be a question raised

:20:14. > :20:17.around the fact that the retail rents in Scotland and Wales will not

:20:18. > :20:19.be accountable to anyone. So that's now. Thank you.

:20:20. > :20:23.The politicians have struggled to define exactly what that means.

:20:24. > :20:25.So, at a sell-out conference in Edinburgh today,

:20:26. > :20:37.Our political correspondent, Andrew Kerr, was there.

:20:38. > :20:44.It looms over all political discussions, at this conference, in

:20:45. > :20:50.the capital, experts brought the learning knowledge and guesswork to

:20:51. > :20:54.attempt to chart a path. What is the Prime Minister 's plan? A lot of

:20:55. > :20:59.this is not in her direct control, a lot of this is about how she gets

:21:00. > :21:03.out from the government and the plans but you must look at the fact

:21:04. > :21:08.that there are elections in other countries in the EU in 2017 have

:21:09. > :21:12.other priorities. These negotiations once we kick them off are not in our

:21:13. > :21:20.own hands. And then there is a discussion within the UK. So could

:21:21. > :21:22.access to the single market be a red line for the Scottish Government as

:21:23. > :21:28.the prospect of another referendum comes into focus? It is difficult to

:21:29. > :21:32.identify redlines that is certainly a priority in the negotiation that

:21:33. > :21:37.the First Minister has set aside, alongside some others like

:21:38. > :21:43.guaranteeing some of the social protections. What I think may happen

:21:44. > :21:48.is if the former Brexit -- form of Brexit does not allow for these then

:21:49. > :21:53.I think not only will it bring the issue of independence back onto the

:21:54. > :21:57.table but short of that the devolution settlement itself. At the

:21:58. > :22:02.conference, the European committee convener John McAlpine said Nicola

:22:03. > :22:06.Sturgeon has put independence on the back burner while focusing on

:22:07. > :22:10.getting the best Brexit deal. The conference chair gave his

:22:11. > :22:15.predictions after an interesting little journey. I am much closer to

:22:16. > :22:19.being a supporter of independence but the SNP in Scotland has more

:22:20. > :22:22.work to do. I would like to think there is a way forward that focuses

:22:23. > :22:27.on the kind of society Scotland wants to be, a vision of the future.

:22:28. > :22:33.If we leave the EU on bad terms for a future Scotland and would then

:22:34. > :22:38.that would be the trigger for some people to say they would rather be

:22:39. > :22:43.in the EU than the UK. Ultimately, a lot of questions are not many

:22:44. > :22:45.answers. This has been difficult, you can muddle through

:22:46. > :22:49.constitutionally for several years and have one settlement for Scotland

:22:50. > :22:55.and one for the rest of the UK. We do not have a written positive, we

:22:56. > :23:00.fudge things. That has worked well so far but it has become difficult

:23:01. > :23:05.to do it in the UK. There has been a call for clarity particularly with

:23:06. > :23:08.the EU. Brexit means Brexit but three months on from the vote to

:23:09. > :23:16.leave the EU no one is quite sure what that means, not even the Prime

:23:17. > :23:20.Minister is clear at this conference. Perhaps we need to wait

:23:21. > :23:23.another three years before the full appropriations are realised.

:23:24. > :23:26.Well to discuss that and the rest of today's stories I'm joined

:23:27. > :23:28.by the journalist Katie Grant and by the Evening Times' political

:23:29. > :23:38.Brexit means Brexit, we are no further forward. We are, one half of

:23:39. > :23:43.the population has forgotten about it and the other half is getting

:23:44. > :23:49.quite cross. One of the interesting is going to happen, and I might be

:23:50. > :23:55.wrong, so as Theresa May's prime ministerial time goes on people full

:23:56. > :24:00.of vim and vigour at the start, if it doesn't materialise in any way at

:24:01. > :24:03.all then her, it will be interesting to see whether her power slightly

:24:04. > :24:07.diminishes in the heart was Brexit ears say we should just say we are

:24:08. > :24:12.off, trigger article 50 and we are off. This possibly might mean Boris

:24:13. > :24:16.John and on. Whether the star begins to shine again. The interesting that

:24:17. > :24:25.might won in the Conservative Party as a result of this food while we

:24:26. > :24:29.are all muddling around. -- as a result of this vote. Will Scotland

:24:30. > :24:35.get much they say, Stewart, because the result was clear. The May has a

:24:36. > :24:38.mandate to get us out of the EU. That might not said Nicola Sturgeon

:24:39. > :24:45.when it comes to free movement of labour. The language from Theresa

:24:46. > :24:48.May is certainly that Scotland will play a role and Nicola Sturgeon

:24:49. > :24:52.wants to play a role but I conceded to them on a collision course,

:24:53. > :24:56.especially when it comes to the key issues south south of the border,

:24:57. > :24:59.controls on immigration. Trees may spoke about it today that country

:25:00. > :25:02.should have the right to control the borders the sea is playing up that

:25:03. > :25:07.side of it and Nicola Sturgeon last week said that the least worst

:25:08. > :25:13.option is membership of the single market, not just access to it, so

:25:14. > :25:19.the two of them can't meet together. They are on a collision course. The

:25:20. > :25:25.Labour leadership contest, the ballot papers have to be in by

:25:26. > :25:30.midday tomorrow. Katie, do you think it is a certainty that Jeremy Corbyn

:25:31. > :25:33.will win? So many certainties have been overturned recently but I think

:25:34. > :25:40.it is pretty much a certainty. The sad thing about the Labour Party now

:25:41. > :25:45.is that it increasingly looks like medieval chat about how many angels

:25:46. > :25:49.can you get on the head of a pin. Look at everything going on in the

:25:50. > :25:53.world, eight hours of what is clearly ludicrous discussion about

:25:54. > :25:56.things which shall be as interested in and your previous speaker

:25:57. > :26:00.although she knew her stuff they well, you're sort of thinking, these

:26:01. > :26:03.people are accountable to those people and those who plan

:26:04. > :26:09.accountable to other people, you think this is really not the sort of

:26:10. > :26:12.stuff which should be convulsing the Labour Party when there is so much

:26:13. > :26:16.other stuff going on. The whole thing has been a disaster. He win

:26:17. > :26:21.the election has been conducted has been so bad for the Labour Party,

:26:22. > :26:26.which is a tragedy for a representative democracy. Stuart,

:26:27. > :26:29.Ian not think this might settle things? If Mr Corbyn is elected

:26:30. > :26:33.again then he might have an even worse something majority. Doesn't

:26:34. > :26:39.that settlers? You would think it should but the fact that they were

:26:40. > :26:42.debating whether to allow elections to the Shadow Cabinet, again, take

:26:43. > :26:45.that power away from the leader, that seems to be a direct bid to

:26:46. > :26:51.undermine Jeremy Corbyn, knowing he will win again. To take some of the

:26:52. > :26:56.power away from him, it is only five years since the change their mind on

:26:57. > :27:00.that again. I am not too sure he will get support. I think he's doing

:27:01. > :27:03.the right thing by putting the party on an election footing, if there's

:27:04. > :27:07.one thing that should unite a party it is the prospect of a general

:27:08. > :27:12.election. If that doesn't bring the party together then nothing will.

:27:13. > :27:18.You has said that about putting the party on an election footing. Do you

:27:19. > :27:21.think you serious? John McDonnell on the BBC said we have to make changes

:27:22. > :27:26.and we have to listen to some of the old hands on the party and get

:27:27. > :27:31.advice from them. I think Jeremy Corbyn is intent on uniting the

:27:32. > :27:35.party can buy -- considering everyone agrees with him. Labour is

:27:36. > :27:37.no longer a broad church, it is becoming increasingly a narrow track

:27:38. > :27:42.but they only listen to each other so it is a echo chamber for the

:27:43. > :27:47.Corbyn fans and they feel that they are absolutely in the ascendant. He

:27:48. > :27:51.may put the Labour Party on an election footing but to win an

:27:52. > :27:54.election you need to get more than the people who are shouting for

:27:55. > :28:01.Jeremy or think Jeremy Corbyn is a site. You need more than those

:28:02. > :28:13.people. It is quite another thing to produce a party party that can win

:28:14. > :28:18.an election. Good news recently on smoking and drinking but not on our

:28:19. > :28:21.diet. Not on mental health, either, especially with young people.

:28:22. > :28:26.Opposition parties will use this as a stick to beat the SNP but in the

:28:27. > :28:29.mental health issue, it is something that has been missing from the

:28:30. > :28:32.discussion today. One of the things that I have noticed speaking to

:28:33. > :28:36.people and communities in Glasgow and the West is one of the things

:28:37. > :28:40.that lead to anxiety and depression and feeling powerless has been the

:28:41. > :28:45.welfare reforms over the last 45 years. That plays a huge part in

:28:46. > :28:50.people's mental health and how empowered they feel and I think that

:28:51. > :28:54.is something that should be discussed. It is the root of some of

:28:55. > :28:58.these problems. Surely Katie that is one of the great white people are

:28:59. > :29:01.getting enough fruit and veg? That is right and a lot of the things

:29:02. > :29:05.said today where, they have been said many thanks nothing came as a

:29:06. > :29:11.great surprise that one of the things I thought was interesting was

:29:12. > :29:16.that the stuff about teeth. 23% of women I think it is between 55 and

:29:17. > :29:21.64 don't have any of their own teeth. That is an extraordinary

:29:22. > :29:27.statistic in a western democracy where we have food and we are not

:29:28. > :29:33.deprived of dental care. And I think the stuff about teeth often gets

:29:34. > :29:38.ignored and I think that is also a big test of how we are. We focus on

:29:39. > :29:40.obesity, but let's look at the teeth. Americans were right, we have

:29:41. > :29:42.bad teeth! Thank you both. Shelly is back again

:29:43. > :29:45.tomorrow night, usual time. So do join her then,

:29:46. > :29:50.bye bye.