:00:00. > :00:00.Community Payback Orders were designed as an alternative
:00:00. > :00:10.So why are rapists and child sex offenders picking up litter rather
:00:11. > :00:34.It's emerged that community sentences are being handed out
:00:35. > :00:42.The Scottish Tories have demanded an urgent review.
:00:43. > :00:44.We speak to the minister who introduced the system.
:00:45. > :00:47.The Scottish Government avoids a defeat over its council tax
:00:48. > :00:51.reforms after the Labour leader failed to register her vote.
:00:52. > :00:53.And marking 25 years of telling untold stories.
:00:54. > :01:03.We visit the Glasgow Women's Library.
:01:04. > :01:05.All politicians agree that community sentencing has a place
:01:06. > :01:10.Few, if any, would say it's appropriate for dealing
:01:11. > :01:15.But questions were asked of the First Minister in parliament
:01:16. > :01:18.today following reports that child sex offenders and rapists are among
:01:19. > :01:20.those being spared jail under the Scottish Government's
:01:21. > :01:25.The Scottish Tory leader, Ruth Davidson, has called
:01:26. > :01:40.These types of crimes are receiving a community payback order, one of
:01:41. > :01:45.this government's key justice policies. The include sexual
:01:46. > :01:50.assaults against children, rape and child rape. This morning, rape
:01:51. > :01:54.crisis Scotland said it was difficult to see in what
:01:55. > :02:01.circumstances this could ever be an appropriate sentence for rape or the
:02:02. > :02:08.rape of a young child. I have the utmost respect for the work that
:02:09. > :02:14.rape crisis does and I agree their views on these matters should be
:02:15. > :02:19.listened to carefully. Rape is one of the most serious offences that
:02:20. > :02:25.can be committed in our society. I believe it is incumbent on all of us
:02:26. > :02:31.to make sure that the offence of rape is treated seriously. I hope
:02:32. > :02:35.this is a point that Ruth Davidson will accept. As First Minister, I do
:02:36. > :02:41.not decide on the individual sentences passed down by courts.
:02:42. > :02:44.That is rightly and properly a matter for the courts.
:02:45. > :02:46.We asked to speak to the Justice Secretary Michael Matheson
:02:47. > :02:49.The Scottish Government sent us a statement
:02:50. > :02:52.about Community Payback Orders, to say that
:02:53. > :02:56.the vast majority - 93% - of offenders in rape cases DO
:02:57. > :02:59.the vast majority - 93% - of offenders in rape cases do
:03:00. > :03:02.And that people on CPOs are subject to robust management
:03:03. > :03:05.in the community and there are a number of sanctions
:03:06. > :03:12.Well, before we came on air, I spoke to the former
:03:13. > :03:14.Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, who introduced Community Payback
:03:15. > :03:24.When you ordered these community payback orders, why didn't you
:03:25. > :03:35.exempt serious sexual offences such as When anybody is charged with
:03:36. > :03:40.rape, it will be in the forefront of the deciding judge that a custodial
:03:41. > :03:46.sentence will follow. Let's look at the facts. 93% of rape convictions
:03:47. > :03:52.result in a prison sentence. The average prison sentence for rape is
:03:53. > :03:59.something in the region of six and a half years. If this is the average,
:04:00. > :04:02.a lot are getting a lot more. This is clearly several of those cases
:04:03. > :04:05.where there is something exceptional. I think it is right in
:04:06. > :04:12.our society that that should be left to the good sense of the judiciary.
:04:13. > :04:18.You mention the figure of 93%. I'm struggling to think of what reasons
:04:19. > :04:23.than might be in 7% of cases that might justify an alternative to
:04:24. > :04:33.jail. It seems to me there are very exceptional circumstances, be that
:04:34. > :04:36.age of the perpetrator, familial, a whole range of things. I don't think
:04:37. > :04:38.any judge presiding would ever do so lightly. They would have to be
:04:39. > :04:43.satisfied that public safety was absolutely guaranteed. And that this
:04:44. > :04:47.was appropriate in all these very exceptional circumstances. This was
:04:48. > :04:52.a scheme designed for a low-level offences. In what way can rape ever
:04:53. > :05:00.be classified as a low-level offence? It is not. 93% go to a
:05:01. > :05:04.custodial sentence. The average sentence is six and a half years.
:05:05. > :05:09.There may be exceptional cases where it is clearly a conviction for one
:05:10. > :05:15.of the most serious crimes we have, but there are extenuating
:05:16. > :05:19.circumstances that might make a custodial sentence inappropriate.
:05:20. > :05:25.Batters for the judge to decide. You handed this tool to judges. You must
:05:26. > :05:32.have known this could be uses based bash this could have been used for
:05:33. > :05:37.rape cases. The Crown has the right to appeal. That can be brought in
:05:38. > :05:43.after the debacle after the worlds end murder. The Appeal Court can
:05:44. > :05:47.overrule the initial presiding judge and impose a far more strict than
:05:48. > :05:54.severe sentence. That clearly was not done because the Crown and
:05:55. > :05:59.others who have an interest did not feel it was appropriate in all
:06:00. > :06:04.circumstances. This is very much the exception to the rule which is that
:06:05. > :06:12.if you are convicted of rape you go to jail for a long time. The Tories
:06:13. > :06:17.have called for a review. Should be First Minister look at a review? We
:06:18. > :06:23.have a sentencing council. If it is felt there are considerable issues,
:06:24. > :06:28.it can go to the sentencing councils for them to look at this. Scotland
:06:29. > :06:33.is a safer place. We have the lowest recorded crime in 41 years. Rape
:06:34. > :06:39.conviction rates are at their lowest in 17 years. Occasionally you get
:06:40. > :06:45.decisions like this by a sheriff or judge. Sometimes because great
:06:46. > :06:47.consternation and sometimes they will be appealed. We have very low
:06:48. > :06:55.conviction rates for rape. Surely there should be an exception for a
:06:56. > :07:02.government can step in and for more guidance? I believe this should be
:07:03. > :07:05.left to the judiciary. Sentencing council can have their input. The
:07:06. > :07:10.conviction rate for rape is improving, despite the challenges
:07:11. > :07:17.faced by historic sexual abuse. Action is being taken by the police,
:07:18. > :07:22.correct action is being taken by the judiciary, and we do have fail-safes
:07:23. > :07:25.in place. Thank you. Today's Holyrood vote
:07:26. > :07:27.on local tax reform took The tallies for and against
:07:28. > :07:31.the Government at the end were tied. As it turned out, Labour leader
:07:32. > :07:33.Kezia Dugdale's vote wasn't counted, She's insisted she did vote
:07:34. > :07:39.against the Government and wants Parliament officials say though
:07:40. > :07:42.they're confident the voting system Here to talk about the nuts
:07:43. > :07:48.and bolts of the debate are the SNP's James Dornan
:07:49. > :08:03.and Andy Wightman from the Greens. James Dornan first of all, I take it
:08:04. > :08:06.you will be writing a thank you note to Kezia Dugdale for saving your
:08:07. > :08:12.bacon? Autonomy takes on a new meaning after the events of today. I
:08:13. > :08:17.think this is another embarrassment that she could have done without.
:08:18. > :08:25.This is an electronic voting system and there shouldn't be still years.
:08:26. > :08:30.There are not still years. They checked it immediately afterwards
:08:31. > :08:33.and there was no failure. Coincidently, the only time that its
:08:34. > :08:38.field was when it was needed to beat the Scottish Government in a vote
:08:39. > :08:46.for the first time in goodness knows how long. You have said in previous
:08:47. > :08:51.manifestos that you want to abolish the council tax. Several years ago,
:08:52. > :09:00.Nicola Sturgeon said any reforms would be tinkering around the edges.
:09:01. > :09:08.We said in 2007 we wanted to abolish it and we came in as a minority
:09:09. > :09:13.government with that intention but we got no support. Since then,
:09:14. > :09:17.things have moved on. The economic situation has become more difficult.
:09:18. > :09:23.We are moving towards trying to get a fairer system of local taxation.
:09:24. > :09:27.We have had ten years under extremely difficult circumstances
:09:28. > :09:30.and we have only had five years in majority government. You can always
:09:31. > :09:35.take something from a previous manifesto, carry it on to the next
:09:36. > :09:53.one when you have lots to deal with. That is what happened between
:09:54. > :09:57.2011 and 2016. We had the review from the commission and they have
:09:58. > :09:59.come out with these plans. I accept some of our opponents will come up
:10:00. > :10:02.with their own suggestions, but there can be no doubt that we have
:10:03. > :10:05.tried to make a sphere and we will continue to make their sphere. One
:10:06. > :10:07.of the things that all politicians seem to shy away from is that thorny
:10:08. > :10:10.issue of re-evaluation. That kind of lies behind your proposals. Our
:10:11. > :10:13.brave policy and one that is not popular with the public? It is
:10:14. > :10:21.popular with the public. The idea that people should pay tax based on
:10:22. > :10:23.the value of their homes over a quarter of a century ago is utterly
:10:24. > :10:27.ridiculous. I have constituents sitting in band E properties which
:10:28. > :10:31.will face a hike under government proposals, whose homes are worth
:10:32. > :10:38.less than band B properties just a straightaway. If we did income tax
:10:39. > :10:43.like this, income tax would be paying no income tax because she was
:10:44. > :10:46.a student in 1991. The only reason this would be problematic now is
:10:47. > :10:51.because were doing it after a quarter of a century of never doing.
:10:52. > :10:56.The way to do it is to do the re-evaluation and fees at 10/5 or
:10:57. > :11:02.six years and have deferral scheme is for those who wish to defer
:11:03. > :11:08.payment. Are you too timid to look at this? This happened in Wales and
:11:09. > :11:13.almost 60% of those who were affected most were those in the
:11:14. > :11:17.lower bands. This does not affect those at the higher level
:11:18. > :11:21.particularly and it affects those at the lower level. Given the economic
:11:22. > :11:24.circumstances just now and austerity measures coming through from
:11:25. > :11:29.Westminster, to our schools already struggling to be hit with a bill for
:11:30. > :11:32.something which has not been dealt with for a long time, but to ask
:11:33. > :11:38.them this time to be dealing with now, it is completely wrong. Under
:11:39. > :11:43.your proposals, people would be paying more? Not at all. Most people
:11:44. > :11:45.would be paying less. The rate is set by local councils, we are
:11:46. > :12:21.talking about the design the system. It should be
:12:22. > :12:23.designed such that the taxpayer is up to date. It is fairly
:12:24. > :12:24.straightforward. I understand political and kidney bash
:12:25. > :12:27.communication challenges. We have five years ahead of us. We should be
:12:28. > :12:30.aiming to work ahead in this Parliament so that we have scrapped
:12:31. > :12:32.the council tax within five years and we have a modern tax base that
:12:33. > :12:35.is up-to-date in place of that. I would have more sympathy with his
:12:36. > :12:38.proposal if he would tell us how long it would take to get the
:12:39. > :12:40.evaluation done and how much it would cost. What is happening here
:12:41. > :12:43.is that there is this idea that it does not seem to have been well
:12:44. > :12:46.thought through at all. It is all right seeing there is no doubt and
:12:47. > :12:49.the commission actually came up with the phrase that the council tax is
:12:50. > :12:51.not perfect, but there is no one perfect taxation system. Is right.
:12:52. > :12:54.What we have to do is over the period of this Parliament, we have
:12:55. > :13:01.to look at continual ways of making the local taxation system much
:13:02. > :13:07.clearer. In the said in Parliament that there is more to come. What is
:13:08. > :13:14.down the line? That is for the local government minister to announce, not
:13:15. > :13:18.me. We put forward a commission. I have not heard from Andy and his
:13:19. > :13:22.colleagues. Surely it is a good thing for us to be able to raise
:13:23. > :13:26.taxes from underused land? Surely the dreams of all parties should be
:13:27. > :13:32.supporting that? Maybe they should spend some time trying to support
:13:33. > :13:38.us? Very few parties would propose a completely new system. Would you
:13:39. > :13:42.support the SNP if they came up with further reforms for the existing
:13:43. > :13:46.council tax system? One of the things that came out of the
:13:47. > :13:49.Parliament today, and you should remember that Douglas Ross was not
:13:50. > :13:55.in the chamber and that contributed to the results, we all agreed in all
:13:56. > :13:59.the amendments that we were committed to further discussion over
:14:00. > :14:03.the course of this Parliament and I welcome that. One of the reasons why
:14:04. > :14:07.we were quite united against the government today was the fact they
:14:08. > :14:11.are intending to use the rise in council tax receipts to fund an
:14:12. > :14:18.educational attainment fund. This would be the first time since local
:14:19. > :14:23.taxation was introduced at national government has taken away local
:14:24. > :14:26.government funding. We must leave it there are. Thank you very much
:14:27. > :14:28.indeed. The new Ukip leader Diane James says
:14:29. > :14:32.that Brexit inside the UK offers Scotland MORE powers
:14:33. > :14:34.than independence INSIDE the EU. Our Westminster correspondent,
:14:35. > :14:36.David Porter, asked Ms James whether she understood
:14:37. > :14:38.that the Remain majority in Scotland believed Brexit had
:14:39. > :14:47.been foisted upon them. I understood totally to the
:14:48. > :14:54.contrary. I had been reading in the last week that a lot of people in
:14:55. > :14:57.Scotland are now recognising that thankfully the decision that Nicola
:14:58. > :15:01.Sturgeon would like to see happen, which is to stay in the EU, is wrong
:15:02. > :15:05.for Scotland and that if they were actually given the opportunity of a
:15:06. > :15:09.second referendum they will be voting to Lead, so probably coming
:15:10. > :15:16.at this from a contrary information banks. Be the referendum we had, 60%
:15:17. > :15:21.were against leaving the EU and were for. What is the opportunity you'd
:15:22. > :15:26.suggest that Scotland now has, because we are where we are? If and
:15:27. > :15:33.when we actually see the ink dry on a document that takes, and I
:15:34. > :15:36.emphasise takes the United Kingdom out of European control, then under
:15:37. > :15:44.devolution, Scotland can effectively adopt powers and an act powers that
:15:45. > :15:49.it will then decide on and make... Effectively deliver on out of
:15:50. > :15:53.Holyrood. That is a huge benefit to the Scottish people and enshrined in
:15:54. > :15:59.terms of the whole devolution aspects that Scotland now enjoys and
:16:00. > :16:04.means it is not going to, for some of the remainders, switch from one
:16:05. > :16:06.element of control, ie Brussels and Strasbourg, back to another.
:16:07. > :16:13.Scotland starts to define and deliver its own future. Within the
:16:14. > :16:16.United Kingdom. You seem to be suggesting that under Brexit,
:16:17. > :16:24.Scotland and Holyrood could have more autonomy as part of the UK than
:16:25. > :16:29.they would do as part of the EU? What I'm saying is that by freeing
:16:30. > :16:34.itself from a EU control, Scotland has a much, much more positive
:16:35. > :16:40.future. Because then, in terms of how it manages its finances and
:16:41. > :16:45.economy, how it decides and makes those very, very important decisions
:16:46. > :16:50.in Scotland, it would do under devolution powers granted out of
:16:51. > :16:53.Westminster. It will not be dictated to and directed by legislation or
:16:54. > :16:59.directives coming out of Brussels and Strasbourg. So using to be
:17:00. > :17:03.suggesting in effect that there is a democratic dividend for Scotland,
:17:04. > :17:07.because of the Brexit though? I do believe that is the case. A
:17:08. > :17:11.Democratic dividend, a political control the dividend, and economic
:17:12. > :17:18.dividend. It is positive after positive, it is a win win Scotland.
:17:19. > :17:24.Talking about democracy, there are many who say that in light of the
:17:25. > :17:26.independence referendum on the EU that Scotland should now have
:17:27. > :17:31.another independence referendum about whether it remains part of the
:17:32. > :17:36.UK. I'm sure that is what Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP would like to
:17:37. > :17:39.claim that they can deliver, but my understanding again, and it's
:17:40. > :17:44.possibly a contrary though, given that I'm based in the south-east of
:17:45. > :17:49.the UK, but my understanding is that the latest it is takes and all of
:17:50. > :17:53.the latest polls and the latest polling however it may be delivered,
:17:54. > :17:58.is that the Scots do not want another referendum. They are like
:17:59. > :18:01.Chile against it and they see the benefits first of all of the Brexit
:18:02. > :18:05.decision and what I will deliver for Scotland and they don't need
:18:06. > :18:10.independence from the United Kingdom and in fact, don't want it. And for
:18:11. > :18:14.the sake of clarity, what is your view on a second independence
:18:15. > :18:19.referendum? I would not support it. I would like to see Scotland is
:18:20. > :18:25.still part and for the foreseeable future for decades to come, be in
:18:26. > :18:28.the union with England. Nigel Farage had quite a scratchy relationship
:18:29. > :18:35.with certain parts of Scotland. What can you do to get the Ukip message
:18:36. > :18:39.across in Scotland and also increase the electoral fortunes of your party
:18:40. > :18:45.there? The first step is an invitation I will be taking up from
:18:46. > :18:49.David Cockburn, representing Scotland. He has very kindly invited
:18:50. > :18:53.me to Scotland, the date is still to be identified and defined, when I
:18:54. > :18:55.will then tour as many of the branches in Scotland that are
:18:56. > :18:59.willing to meet with me and I'm hoping that will be every single
:19:00. > :19:07.branch that we have across the country. You believe you can
:19:08. > :19:13.increase Ukip's reach in Scotland? I believe we can. Ruth Davidson has
:19:14. > :19:16.not got the Opposition in Scotland solely on her terms. She has got an
:19:17. > :19:21.Opposition nipping at their heels. Thank you.
:19:22. > :19:22.The Glasgow Women's Library is celebrating its
:19:23. > :19:26.It was founded as an answer to the overwhelmingly male-dominated
:19:27. > :19:28.programme when Glasgow was City of Culture back in 1990.
:19:29. > :19:31.It holds an archive of women's history, hosts cultural,
:19:32. > :19:34.community and craft events and encourages research
:19:35. > :19:57.How to make a husband. They are but he added that, I'm writing to you in
:19:58. > :20:00.desperation... I kept thinking all of these voices, also brave,
:20:01. > :20:10.eloquent, loud, well-written and dirty... I think I'm an abnormal
:20:11. > :20:16.freak! Making sure women's voices are heard. The mission for the
:20:17. > :20:19.company macro for the past 25 years. There was a huge appetite for having
:20:20. > :20:25.a space that would remain and love both at the hidden histories of
:20:26. > :20:30.women in Scotland and cultural contributions, but also as a
:20:31. > :20:36.crucible to encourage the development of lots of new creative
:20:37. > :20:43.endeavours by women across the arts. Today, a group gathered to hear an
:20:44. > :20:47.author read her work. Answer questions. And show off the camper
:20:48. > :20:53.van which provide both inspiration and somewhere to work. I can go
:20:54. > :20:58.where I lie, I can go to the middle of nowhere where there is no mobile
:20:59. > :21:02.reception, no interruptions, no distractions, except the lovely
:21:03. > :21:07.view. I am my own captive audience, so I have to write and I almost
:21:08. > :21:11.always do when I do this. It is about my own space. The library in a
:21:12. > :21:18.similar way as we giving people a space. Is that fair? Yes, that's
:21:19. > :21:24.right. It's a welcoming space. Very, very welcoming and friendly. So why
:21:25. > :21:28.do the people here today use the library? It is a wonderful
:21:29. > :21:31.opportunity to come together with girls and women of all ages to
:21:32. > :21:38.discuss things that perhaps you wouldn't have chosen for yourself.
:21:39. > :21:40.It is a great place, safe and confidential and I think people find
:21:41. > :21:47.it really relaxing when they come here. There are personal reasons why
:21:48. > :21:51.people would come, are there? Yes, coming here after a major health
:21:52. > :21:56.care has given me confidence. I am still learning, learning about
:21:57. > :22:01.camper van ink and these! That is the personal, but there's also
:22:02. > :22:05.political reasons for coming? Yes, through various waves of feminism, I
:22:06. > :22:09.am comforted to know I can speak about any issues at all and will be
:22:10. > :22:14.listened to politely, but argued with when necessary. This is a
:22:15. > :22:19.library with shelf after shelf of books, but it aims to be more than
:22:20. > :22:22.that, running classes to equip people with skills they have lacked
:22:23. > :22:27.all their lives, perhaps since leaving school. Matisse didn't
:22:28. > :22:34.really help me very well at school. Since I came here, my reading has
:22:35. > :22:37.improved. Balou Du Reventon women of all different reasons, a lot because
:22:38. > :22:42.they didn't have a good experience at school and all we do as well as
:22:43. > :22:49.giving them the skills and knowledge is help them regain confidence and
:22:50. > :22:52.self-esteem and do things for themselves. Everything that goes on
:22:53. > :22:56.in the library takes place against the background of the struggle for
:22:57. > :23:03.equality, the fight to win votes for women. We shouldn't ever forget what
:23:04. > :23:09.those people went through in order to get that for us. Particularly
:23:10. > :23:13.looking at what's going on today and, you know, people not using
:23:14. > :23:18.their vote. It's so important! Sorry, I'm getting a little bit...
:23:19. > :23:25.But, you know, the vote was fought for and should be used. The library
:23:26. > :23:35.said it is determined to keep its radical edge. We are proud we have a
:23:36. > :23:40.lesbian archive. We are proud about developing our trans collection and
:23:41. > :23:44.a sexologist season. So we can still ruffling a few feathers hopefully
:23:45. > :23:51.and encourage people who think there is no other place for them.
:23:52. > :23:56.Somewhere they can't find elsewhere in Scotland. But amongst the
:23:57. > :24:00.sexology materials, you will find knitting patterns. Thousands of
:24:01. > :24:03.single earrings donated by owners who had lost the other half of each
:24:04. > :24:05.pair make up this remarkable chandelier. What could be discounted
:24:06. > :24:18.finds a new future. Now to discuss the news of the day
:24:19. > :24:22.is Alan Bissett and the editor of the Commons space website, Angela
:24:23. > :24:26.Haggerty. Ruth Davidson called on the SNP Government today to review
:24:27. > :24:29.community payback orders. Is one of the problems that we've had is
:24:30. > :24:35.long-standing tradition where ministers don't get involved in a
:24:36. > :24:40.judicial decisions? Yes, I think is an issue and it's understandable why
:24:41. > :24:45.we have that. However, I think on an issue like this, I wasn't really
:24:46. > :24:48.surprised to hear that some rape convictions or attempted rape
:24:49. > :24:51.convictions lead to non-custodial sentences. I don't feel like I
:24:52. > :24:58.reflect the gravity of sexual crimes. So while it might be the
:24:59. > :25:01.Scottish Government's job to be directly involved, I think they
:25:02. > :25:06.could be making statements in other ways are making it clear that as a
:25:07. > :25:10.society, we have certain values and believe that our justice system
:25:11. > :25:14.should work in a certain way, particularly with reference to
:25:15. > :25:18.violent sexual crime. So it was a bit disappointed for me to hear
:25:19. > :25:22.Nicola Sturgeon say that. She could make a stronger statement about the
:25:23. > :25:26.Government or the SNP's position. Allen, should we make an exception
:25:27. > :25:34.particularly in a rape crimes when a rape crisis said that under 6% of
:25:35. > :25:39.rape crimes actually to conviction? Well, obviously every single case is
:25:40. > :25:45.different and it is up to a jury to decide on the guilt or otherwise of
:25:46. > :25:50.a suspect, but it is my personal feeling, I agree with Angela, Andrew
:25:51. > :25:54.Davidson, that rape is a crime and should mean eight prison sentence,
:25:55. > :25:59.so should attempted rape. I can't quite understand any circumstances
:26:00. > :26:04.in which it would not. I suppose we trust judges to make a rights
:26:05. > :26:07.decision. Yes, it is tricky for a Government seem to be influenced
:26:08. > :26:11.that swagger influencing the judiciary. That sets a precedent and
:26:12. > :26:16.is not necessarily a good road to go down. If you are going to appoint a
:26:17. > :26:20.judge is, you have to trust them to give a as they see appropriate. I
:26:21. > :26:24.just personally can't understand why would -- why they'd see appropriate
:26:25. > :26:26.to give a community service to a rapist.
:26:27. > :26:28.Lets talk about the tax debate, and the strange case
:26:29. > :26:41.I categorically voted tonight. My colleague saw the vote is registered
:26:42. > :26:46.on the vote 's computer so we need to know why. This is serious,
:26:47. > :26:49.because the SMB made a promise to scrap council tax. They failed and
:26:50. > :26:51.that is why the Opposition parties were uniting tonight and I want to
:26:52. > :26:59.know why my vote wasn't registered. So she said she voted and officials
:27:00. > :27:04.say the equipment is working fine. Is a bit of a farce, isn't it? She
:27:05. > :27:08.is in the headlines for the wrong reasons tonight. It is baffling,
:27:09. > :27:12.what's happened. I'm curious and would love to know how a little
:27:13. > :27:17.system works. Is it possible you can make a mistake I think you've voted
:27:18. > :27:20.and actually have? It is a shame in a lot of ways, because we are now
:27:21. > :27:25.talking about whether Kezia Dugdale voted or not, whether she knew how
:27:26. > :27:28.to vote or not. It is getting quite silly on social media. The real
:27:29. > :27:33.issues about local taxation are kind of being swept aside now. It's been
:27:34. > :27:37.an interesting day and I think journalists are certainly having a
:27:38. > :27:43.more exciting day than they expected. Brand she failed to vote
:27:44. > :27:46.because she didn't want to be seen to be attacking the SNP all the time
:27:47. > :27:53.but it seems that is not the case. Is difficult to know. -- it is
:27:54. > :27:57.difficult to know. Either their technology failed and she tried to
:27:58. > :28:00.vote in good faith, or she simply forgot. There's been a moment of
:28:01. > :28:07.confusion where she hasn't voted and she's now joins a double downer and
:28:08. > :28:10.front it out. We may never know, but I can't see how she would have a
:28:11. > :28:14.motive for voting against the Government in this particular case.
:28:15. > :28:18.I can't see what she would gain from that. I'm going to give her the
:28:19. > :28:21.benefit of the doubt. White Dragon of a they say. The accounts
:28:22. > :28:26.commission said today that is:'s social work system is under strain
:28:27. > :28:32.and is unsustainable and all ?700 million is needed by 2020. Where
:28:33. > :28:40.will it come from? Well, that's a big question. There are questions
:28:41. > :28:43.and we were chatting about this before, about how much power
:28:44. > :28:48.Scotland really has over budgets like that for long-term planning.
:28:49. > :28:52.But this is part of a much bigger problem that as far as I'm concerned
:28:53. > :28:58.nobody really wants to get into, because when moving into a situation
:28:59. > :29:01.where elderly people are only part of this care system, but they were
:29:02. > :29:05.the kind of people who did think about pensions, they did think about
:29:06. > :29:09.long-term planning and the future and security. An interesting thing
:29:10. > :29:13.in the report was a recommendation about maintaining staff levels and
:29:14. > :29:17.it was roundabout zero hours contracts are making sure people
:29:18. > :29:20.employed on those had better working conditions, so we are looking at
:29:21. > :29:25.people in the care centre today on zero hours contracts delivering this
:29:26. > :29:28.care. They will be thinking about pensions and long-term security, is
:29:29. > :29:34.almost impossible to do that on such a contract. It is one of the issues
:29:35. > :29:39.of our time, this ageing population. People of my generation are not
:29:40. > :29:42.thinking in the way that the elderly population we have now once did. So
:29:43. > :29:48.it's a short-term crisis, but will be a bigger one in the long-term and
:29:49. > :29:50.talking about short-term bursts of where the money comes from, it's
:29:51. > :29:56.kind of a drop in the ocean of something much bigger that we have
:29:57. > :30:00.to face. It is such a big issue and we have all this talk about Brexit
:30:01. > :30:05.and Scottish independence, isn't it social care we should be focusing
:30:06. > :30:09.on? Well, yes. But they are all interlinked, because there are
:30:10. > :30:13.various economic and political factors in play all the time. It is
:30:14. > :30:15.fine for the Opposition and the media to say whether Scottish
:30:16. > :30:19.Government going to find the money, but they have to take it from
:30:20. > :30:24.somewhere. That means a cut somewhere else, they can't manage
:30:25. > :30:28.this money out of thin air. I hate to come out of elephant in the room,
:30:29. > :30:33.but we've voted to be constrained within the union and the Budget of
:30:34. > :30:40.Westminster and that is falling in real terms and will continue to do
:30:41. > :31:33.so. We'll have to leave it there. That sits goodbye.
:31:34. > :31:37.'so that he can spend the rest of his life in prison.'