:00:00. > :00:00.Not that long ago she said he couldn't lead Labour to victory.
:00:07. > :00:08.But now Kezia Dugdale's looking forward to working
:00:09. > :00:36.It was smiles all round on the Conference floor today
:00:37. > :00:40.but can Labour really heal its wounds now and move forward?
:00:41. > :00:43.And the pressure's on for Clinton and Trump as they go
:00:44. > :00:56.head-to-head in the first televised debate of the campaign.
:00:57. > :00:59.It was the day when everyone was supposed to have moved on.
:01:00. > :01:03.After the bitterness of the leadership battle,
:01:04. > :01:05.time to come together, to start working towards winning
:01:06. > :01:10.So has peace really broken out at the Labour party
:01:11. > :01:34.Liverpool has reinvented itself and is awash with designer bars and
:01:35. > :01:41.clubs. Inside the conference centre is a party trying to do the same.
:01:42. > :01:44.This is Jeremy Corbyn? Labour, a party that says it will come
:01:45. > :01:52.together united in a socialist cause. I get emotional about this
:01:53. > :01:55.part of Conference. As Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale took to
:01:56. > :02:00.the stage today, a hint of emotions running high. She reinforced the
:02:01. > :02:03.anti-austerity message. Today I can announce when the Scottish
:02:04. > :02:09.Government presents a budget of parliament, we will place amendments
:02:10. > :02:14.to introduce a 50p tax, and add a penny to income tax to pay for
:02:15. > :02:20.public services. Labour will not help the SNP pass an austerity
:02:21. > :02:26.budget on our watch. Not surprisingly it was a loud applause
:02:27. > :02:29.for this. We do not need the risk of uncertainty of another independence
:02:30. > :02:33.referendum and that is why we will vote against any proposal for a
:02:34. > :02:39.second independence referendum in this Parliament. Shadow Chancellor
:02:40. > :02:47.John McDonnell's main headline was a higher living wage. Not new, but
:02:48. > :02:50.they liked it all the same. Onto the next Labour government everyone will
:02:51. > :03:02.earn enough to live on. When we win the next election we will write into
:03:03. > :03:05.law a real living wage. During the leadership election Kezia Dugdale
:03:06. > :03:09.openly backed Owen Smith, saying Jeremy Corbyn could never take the
:03:10. > :03:14.party to a general election win. Yesterday she did a massive U-turn.
:03:15. > :03:19.One area of contention between them is the question of the National
:03:20. > :03:23.Executive Committee. The Labour ruling body. Last week it approved
:03:24. > :03:26.proposals to grant Scottish Labour more autonomy in the form of
:03:27. > :03:29.regional representatives to be chosen by Kezia Dugdale. Allies of
:03:30. > :03:34.Jeremy Corbyn last night resisted the move. They see such a process as
:03:35. > :03:38.having the potential to tip the NEC in favour of the anti-Corvin camp.
:03:39. > :03:41.But the fine balance between those who support Jeremy Corbyn and those
:03:42. > :03:47.who oppose him will be decided at conference tomorrow. So has the talk
:03:48. > :03:53.of policy today done enough to take attention away from the question of
:03:54. > :03:58.disunity? Labour can announce as many policies as it wants to but
:03:59. > :04:01.there are two things. First of all it has been dominated by the
:04:02. > :04:05.re-election of Jeremy Corbyn and whether he can pull the party
:04:06. > :04:12.together. Again he's not showing signs of doing that. We do not see
:04:13. > :04:19.any signs of peace, any doves arriving. It is just not happening.
:04:20. > :04:21.And secondly, policies have got to be credible. They have to speak to
:04:22. > :04:28.the biggest issue facing country just now, Wrexham. It has hardly
:04:29. > :04:34.been debated here at all. The last line of this speech was one of old
:04:35. > :04:38.optimism. Let us resolve to unite around our values and rediscover our
:04:39. > :04:42.radical roots and again be what's a mini people in Scotland and across
:04:43. > :04:47.the UK want us to be. The greatest fighting force for progress that
:04:48. > :04:52.this country has ever known. It is easy to get applause from a friendly
:04:53. > :04:54.audience. The test comes when you take your policies to the people who
:04:55. > :04:55.could elect you. Well our Westminster Correspondent
:04:56. > :04:59.Nick Eardley has been talking to the Labour leader
:05:00. > :05:01.Jeremy Corbyn today. After Labour's worst ever election
:05:02. > :05:04.result at Holyrood this May, he asked him -
:05:05. > :05:16.what needs to change? We recently won three by-elections
:05:17. > :05:21.in Scotland and gain seats. The party membership has gone up. We
:05:22. > :05:25.have elections next year and later this year we will be doing a serious
:05:26. > :05:29.economic conference in Scotland for the Scottish economy and the labour
:05:30. > :05:34.view on it. So there is a great deal of hope there. Many traditional
:05:35. > :05:38.supporters have abandoned the party for the SNP, they support
:05:39. > :05:42.independence, are you listening to them? Of course, we listen to people
:05:43. > :05:48.all the time and work with people all the time. A growing UK economy,
:05:49. > :05:53.investment led, will produce jobs for the future. Will produce the
:05:54. > :05:58.income which could fund the necessary services. We cannot go on
:05:59. > :06:06.cutting college places, with continued housing shortages. That
:06:07. > :06:10.was the message in the month of May and did not seem to make its way
:06:11. > :06:15.through to the electorate. As time goes on people realise that the SNP
:06:16. > :06:18.and their proclaimed opposition to austerity, the reality is they are
:06:19. > :06:22.not using the powers they have in the Scottish Parliament and local
:06:23. > :06:26.government cuts continue. Some people lose their jobs and services
:06:27. > :06:30.deteriorate. Do you think that you can win a general election in
:06:31. > :06:36.Scotland? We can win a lot of support in Scotland. We have one
:06:37. > :06:40.local election by-elections, we have elections next year and of course we
:06:41. > :06:47.have bigger elections later on for the Westminster election. The
:06:48. > :06:51.Scottish party is in good heart. One school of thought says the UK Labour
:06:52. > :06:55.Party cannot get back into power at Westminster without reclaiming a
:06:56. > :07:01.number of seats in Scotland. Is that your target? The plan is to campaign
:07:02. > :07:04.all over the UK of course, campaign in Scotland, campaign on those
:07:05. > :07:08.Labour traditional values and also point out if there is to be a
:07:09. > :07:14.growing economy in Scotland, it can only be done as part of a growing
:07:15. > :07:18.economy across the UK. That means investment, better infrastructure,
:07:19. > :07:22.and also ensuring those jobs that are now at risk because of the
:07:23. > :07:26.decline in the oil industry especially in Aberdeen and Dundee,
:07:27. > :07:31.are secured through investment for different technologies and
:07:32. > :07:34.industries for the future. Have you tried to stop Kezia Dugdale
:07:35. > :07:38.appointing representatives to the Executive? No, the party has put
:07:39. > :07:41.forward a rule change which will allow her to be a Scottish
:07:42. > :07:46.representative on the national executive. That will be agreed
:07:47. > :07:52.tomorrow by Conference. Some Scottish Labour think you and your
:07:53. > :07:55.supporters have tried to block Kezia Dugdale appointing their position. I
:07:56. > :08:00.have said they has to be a Scottish member of the national executive and
:08:01. > :08:03.for that matter a Welsh member. The method of decision-making on that is
:08:04. > :08:07.what the discussion was about, we will come to that conclusion and
:08:08. > :08:11.there will be a Scottish member of the national executive. Are you
:08:12. > :08:18.happy for it to be appointed by Kezia Dugdale? Very happy, we work
:08:19. > :08:24.well together. It appears the package of reform will go ahead as a
:08:25. > :08:29.whole tomorrow. Do you want your supporters to back it? Yes, the
:08:30. > :08:33.package of reforms, the national executive is only part of that,
:08:34. > :08:36.there would be much greater discussion about democracy of the UK
:08:37. > :08:41.Labour Party as a whole which will include possibly more members
:08:42. > :08:43.representing individual party members over the whole country as
:08:44. > :08:48.well as a change in the policy-making process. We are now a
:08:49. > :08:54.party of nearly 600,000 members and they will want to say and that is
:08:55. > :08:56.good. Do you want in Murray back in your Shadow Cabinet? If he's
:08:57. > :08:58.available the door is open. Well shortly before we came on air
:08:59. > :09:08.Nick spoke to us from Liverpool. Another day done at Labour
:09:09. > :09:11.conference and it seems another row averted. Jeremy Corbyn saying in the
:09:12. > :09:15.interview there that he is happy for Kezia Dugdale to appoint a
:09:16. > :09:19.representative to the NEC. I think that is holding out an olive branch,
:09:20. > :09:23.suggesting we're now at a stage where agreement has been reached,
:09:24. > :09:26.and I think it makes it likely that those measures will be passed
:09:27. > :09:31.tomorrow. That will give Scottish Labour two things, autonomy to set
:09:32. > :09:35.its own policies, chooses candidates, and the power to send
:09:36. > :09:40.someone to the UK executive to make arguments on the health of the
:09:41. > :09:43.Scottish party. But anything goes in the Labour Party just now, it is not
:09:44. > :09:48.impossible that the issue could be raised again tomorrow. There are
:09:49. > :09:53.other issues remaining as well, one of them personnel. How does Jeremy
:09:54. > :09:57.Corbyn with his new mandate, get those MPs who left his Shadow
:09:58. > :10:02.Cabinet, who expressed no confidence in him, back onside. In Murray is
:10:03. > :10:08.one of them, the former shadow Scottish Secretary. He said today
:10:09. > :10:10.Jeremy Corbyn needs to meet the rebels halfway. I think Jeremy
:10:11. > :10:16.Corbyn wants to listen to those arguments but we're not quite there
:10:17. > :10:21.yet with Shadow Cabinet elections. Some members of the current Shadow
:10:22. > :10:28.Cabinet expressed some scepticism, that this could be a plan to try to
:10:29. > :10:30.undermine Jeremy Corbyn. So one issue is resolved, others remaining.
:10:31. > :10:33.Plenty more to come from the Labour conference.
:10:34. > :10:36.With just six weeks to go until the US elects a new President,
:10:37. > :10:38.the pressure really gets cranked up later tonight.
:10:39. > :10:40.Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump are going head-to-head
:10:41. > :10:46.With the race currently too close to call, they're facing the voters
:10:47. > :10:51.together on camera for the first time in this long campaign.
:10:52. > :10:54.Shortly before we came on air I spoke to three political
:10:55. > :11:03.commentators about just what's at stake tonight.
:11:04. > :11:12.Joining as from Washington is James Fallows, National correspondent for
:11:13. > :11:17.the Atlantic magazine. In Edinburgh doctor mail Kenny, a lecturer in
:11:18. > :11:20.gender at the University of Edinburgh and historian and Daily
:11:21. > :11:28.Telegraph journalist Tim Stanley. Good evening. James Fallows, most of
:11:29. > :11:33.us here are going to be asleep when the showdown goes live but just how
:11:34. > :11:38.significant an event is it over there? I think it is being seen as
:11:39. > :11:42.pretty significant. Political scientists argue sometimes debates
:11:43. > :11:47.do not change elections, but John Kennedy was going to win anyway,
:11:48. > :11:52.Ronald Reagan was going to win anyway. But with all the
:11:53. > :11:55.unpredictability, the stark contrast between Donald Trump and Hillary
:11:56. > :12:02.Clinton, it feels as if this could be a moment when trends change in
:12:03. > :12:05.one direction or the other. They are virtually neck and neck in the polls
:12:06. > :12:11.and I guess they both have a lot to lose tonight. Yes and given the very
:12:12. > :12:18.different dynamics, Donald Trump, his style is so aggressive and
:12:19. > :12:21.extreme, Hillary Clinton, her style has been so controlled. You can
:12:22. > :12:29.imagine different ways in which either could lose. If Donald Trump
:12:30. > :12:32.were to explode in some way, if Hillary Clinton were to seem offer a
:12:33. > :12:38.game or defensive. So everyone will have some theory that all yes it was
:12:39. > :12:42.inevitable but right now before the debate you can imagine many
:12:43. > :12:48.scenarios without being sure of which is more likely to occur. Tim
:12:49. > :12:52.Stanley, what we know about how both candidates have been preparing for
:12:53. > :12:55.the debate? We know their preparation reflect the personality
:12:56. > :12:59.and what we expect to happen. Hillary Clinton has been hunkered
:13:00. > :13:03.down in hotel close to the place where the debate will take place,
:13:04. > :13:08.she has been there for around three days, she had two sessions of
:13:09. > :13:11.preparation per day, members of staff impersonating Donald Trump and
:13:12. > :13:16.asking tough and sometimes personal questions as they fear he might. She
:13:17. > :13:20.has said she's all about the detail and intends to get on top of the
:13:21. > :13:24.facts. Meanwhile Donald Trump is thought to have done next to no
:13:25. > :13:28.preparation. He has met with some friends at the golf course,
:13:29. > :13:32.supposedly has kicked some questions around, there was talk about the
:13:33. > :13:37.campaign sending out a survey to supporters to ask if he should refer
:13:38. > :13:45.to Hillary Clinton as a crook live on air. But having said that, he is
:13:46. > :13:47.a reality TV star, that is how he became really famous in America,
:13:48. > :13:50.being the host of the apprentice. Throughout this campaign we have
:13:51. > :13:55.watched his performance on TV and said that he breaks all the rules,
:13:56. > :14:00.doing everything wrong according to politics as usual. But we no longer
:14:01. > :14:04.live in the kind of Europe where politicians are supposed to be on
:14:05. > :14:09.top of the fact that heavily programmed and all about experience.
:14:10. > :14:13.We're moving into a era where people are voting on the basis of emotion
:14:14. > :14:16.and so I would say that Donald Trump is better prepared for this debate
:14:17. > :14:23.then Hillary Clinton because he understands television.
:14:24. > :14:29.This is that the first time in history but a woman has appeared in
:14:30. > :14:36.one of his televised presidential debates. Does pose particular
:14:37. > :14:41.problems for Hillary Clinton is a FEMA candidate? I think it does and
:14:42. > :14:45.I think the Hillary Clinton, the bar is high and that reflects the bar
:14:46. > :14:51.that many women candidates have the cross which is that she has the sure
:14:52. > :14:56.she is competent but also that she is likeable. For women, that is the
:14:57. > :15:01.double bind. The more competent you are, the less likeable you are
:15:02. > :15:06.perceived to be and vice versa. You think the bar is high ethical
:15:07. > :15:11.Hillary Clinton? She has a lot to balance. She has the challenge trump
:15:12. > :15:17.and on the other hand we know perceptions are different for women
:15:18. > :15:20.than men. She may be perceived as being aggressive, overly
:15:21. > :15:27.condescending, so she has a lot that she has the juggle as the Trump, the
:15:28. > :15:32.bar is low. Did you agree with that? We've heard tram's campaign manager
:15:33. > :15:37.saying his natural connective tissue with people would be on show
:15:38. > :15:44.tonight. Would he stumble over policy detail though? I agree about
:15:45. > :15:54.the difficulty that prominent women have. I think there may be one or
:15:55. > :16:03.two ways in which that works the Hillary Clinton's advantage. One is
:16:04. > :16:08.that not, who is so aggressive, he has been notably shrinking when
:16:09. > :16:12.confronted with strong women in person. He does not like to be
:16:13. > :16:17.face-to-face with the woman who is standing up to him so that might not
:16:18. > :16:21.be something that will work for his advantage. Hillary Clinton has been
:16:22. > :16:27.her best historically when under attack, whether it is the Benghazi
:16:28. > :16:34.commission, running for the Senate or in 2008 when Barack Obama was
:16:35. > :16:39.condescending to her. It has actually brought out the best for
:16:40. > :16:43.her and expanded this narrow tightrope that prominent women are
:16:44. > :16:49.allowed to work on in American politics. The dynamics of this might
:16:50. > :16:55.strangely give latitude than she would have against a normal
:16:56. > :17:00.opponent. 90 minutes is a very long time on live television. There has
:17:01. > :17:03.got the be a bit of an endurance contest for both of them. Is that
:17:04. > :17:09.something that might play badly for Donald Trump? Some fear that Hillary
:17:10. > :17:14.Clinton could cough. There had been rumours that she has poor health so
:17:15. > :17:19.something might happen. Reflecting on the previous debates, Donald
:17:20. > :17:24.Trump tends to lose energy after ten or 15 minutes. He has the
:17:25. > :17:28.notoriously short attention span so I expect him to suffer in that way.
:17:29. > :17:32.By one to second the comments that have just been made. It is true that
:17:33. > :17:38.being a woman puts Hillary Clinton at a disadvantage of if she is too
:17:39. > :17:44.clever, I feel intimidated by her. But it is much as male voters
:17:45. > :17:49.watching. Women are, too. And the basic dynamic of your selections
:17:50. > :17:53.since the 1980s is that the Republicans consistently use the
:17:54. > :17:58.popular vote because while they do well among white people they do very
:17:59. > :18:01.badly among non-white people and particularly among women. It is
:18:02. > :18:05.possible this evening that even if in terms of theatre, it looks like
:18:06. > :18:10.Donald Trump is in, the kind of people who like the things he says
:18:11. > :18:14.are voting for him anyway but don't be surprised beneath the radar, he
:18:15. > :18:21.alienates a whole load of bull however he says. There are still a
:18:22. > :18:26.lot of undecided voters there. How much do think the final result could
:18:27. > :18:31.hinge on whether the third-party candidates actually pick up voters
:18:32. > :18:35.from those who are disaffected by the mainstream? Trump and
:18:36. > :18:39.third-party candidates are tapping into this sense of political
:18:40. > :18:44.alienation and disaffection but I want to echo the comments that the
:18:45. > :18:51.Trump, the challenge is to expand beyond that base. For Hillary
:18:52. > :18:57.Clinton, the challenge is to expand an appeal to those millennial 's who
:18:58. > :19:00.may have voted for Bernie Sanders and the kinds of voters who should
:19:01. > :19:04.be coming over to her campaign at this point but are not necessarily
:19:05. > :19:09.end that is why we are seeing this closing of the gap. But even though
:19:10. > :19:13.the polls are narrowing, there is still a hugely significant gender
:19:14. > :19:20.gap in her favour of Hillary. You are nodding your head but we do keep
:19:21. > :19:25.hearing that the public have had it with slick politicians, with no
:19:26. > :19:31.little politicians, experts. Do you think in the end, Clinton can
:19:32. > :19:35.overcome that? Based on every fact of history and logic and
:19:36. > :19:38.demographics and numbers, you would expect Hillary Clinton to win. The
:19:39. > :19:45.question is, why she not winning easily? As both of your other
:19:46. > :19:52.panellists have said, the one group with whom Donald Trump is running
:19:53. > :19:59.better than Mitt Romney is white men without a college degree. Every
:20:00. > :20:10.other demographic of whites, blacks, Latinos with college degrees, he is
:20:11. > :20:14.running behind Mitt Romney. Based on basic physics, you would still
:20:15. > :20:19.expect Hillary Clinton to win a notable part is that it seems as
:20:20. > :20:24.close as it does because of the passion many people have the Donald
:20:25. > :20:27.Trump. But I bet enough for them to get that across? I am going to ask
:20:28. > :20:32.you will not put your money where your mouth is. Who do you think will
:20:33. > :20:37.come out on top of the my's debate and come out on top in six weeks'
:20:38. > :20:44.time? I think again, the demographics point in Clinton's
:20:45. > :20:52.favour, but it is not what happens inside the bait. It is also the
:20:53. > :20:56.postdebate spin. We have to remember that there are low expectations for
:20:57. > :21:01.Trump and the expectation is he will buy haps me those or exceed those,
:21:02. > :21:10.given all of the bar is. Are you a betting man? I am not a betting man.
:21:11. > :21:15.I would bet hope the Hillary Clinton wins the election. The expectations
:21:16. > :21:18.game may have been triple spun so it could actually work in Hillary
:21:19. > :21:25.Clinton's favour ie people now expect Donald Trump to do better. I
:21:26. > :21:30.would expect a narrow margin, heard to have been seen as coming out
:21:31. > :21:34.stronger from this encounter. I expect Trump to do very well
:21:35. > :21:43.perceiving. I think he's the king of reality TV and has injected that
:21:44. > :21:47.into mainstream politics and has transformed our expectations. For
:21:48. > :21:52.that reason, I will not put my money on either count on right now. Thank
:21:53. > :21:54.you very much for joining us this evening.
:21:55. > :21:57.And if you can't sleep tonight and want to watch the debate
:21:58. > :22:01.live you can see it over on the News Channel from 2am.
:22:02. > :22:03.Joining me to discuss the day's big stories are the former
:22:04. > :22:06.Scottish Labour adviser Simon Pia - and the political commentator
:22:07. > :22:22.Let's kick off the Labour Party conference in Liverpool and it tends
:22:23. > :22:29.to put all that bad blood and infighting behind them. How's that
:22:30. > :22:33.going them? I think it is going a bit better than we expected
:22:34. > :22:38.beforehand. Everything is still getting blown out of proportion but
:22:39. > :22:46.the media are not getting blood red meat. It went quite smoothly and
:22:47. > :22:52.everything went as expected. I believe the Scottish NEC dispute
:22:53. > :23:01.will be resolved as well. What do you make of her response over the
:23:02. > :23:08.weekend to Jeremy Corbyn's election? Some people might call flip-flop. Is
:23:09. > :23:12.that something she can per behind the now? Yes. In a few months' time,
:23:13. > :23:18.that will be forgotten. It will not just be cast up all the time? It was
:23:19. > :23:24.not great but is not significant. What is more significant is if they
:23:25. > :23:29.do win tomorrow's the vote, appoint someone at the NSC, and if things
:23:30. > :23:35.settle down if the momentum group within Labour supporter Jeremy
:23:36. > :23:41.Corbyn comes after those who supported his opponent, including Mr
:23:42. > :23:46.Dugdale, and she grows into the job. The problem of Scottish Labour's
:23:47. > :23:49.troubles has been that the young inexperienced leader has said the
:23:50. > :23:56.time when even someone long in the tooth would have struggled anyway. I
:23:57. > :24:02.wonder if it was a mistake for her to so openly come out against Jeremy
:24:03. > :24:06.Corbyn. We heard today John McDonald talking about socialism. She is
:24:07. > :24:12.trying to position late Scottish Labour to the left of the group.
:24:13. > :24:19.Would you not have the would be a natural bedfellows? Should be. She
:24:20. > :24:22.has made up her mind about a lot of things but is also influenced by
:24:23. > :24:26.people like Ian Murray and Ian grieve. I think it was a bit rash of
:24:27. > :24:33.her but I agree that it will soon fade away as what happens now.
:24:34. > :24:38.Jeremy Corbyn has given Scottish Labour are very free hand, more than
:24:39. > :24:42.any other Labour leader. He was speaking about people coming after
:24:43. > :24:48.her momentum. The whole thing for the last 12 months and longer has
:24:49. > :24:53.been the right centre of the Labour Party coming after Jeremy Corbyn and
:24:54. > :24:57.finally, they have got to wake up to reality and back off and behave
:24:58. > :25:01.themselves and stop working in a constructive manner and realise that
:25:02. > :25:09.another prisoner society, people say listen to the people but not to the
:25:10. > :25:16.Labour Party membership. Help these MPs get pensions or moving to the
:25:17. > :25:21.corporate world, people like me go around and knock-on doors for them,
:25:22. > :25:27.so please don't forget that. Lots of policy announcements today, both UK
:25:28. > :25:32.wide. Do you think voters are listening at the moment? Her speech
:25:33. > :25:39.had much in the way of new policy and most of that was restatement. We
:25:40. > :25:45.know they had the idea of 1p income tax, we knew about the 50p top rate
:25:46. > :25:48.and that enabled her to say, and the delegates of that, if the SNP want
:25:49. > :25:53.to get through a budget that does not include that, after a while,
:25:54. > :26:00.they love the sound of Tory support. But there was not much new in it.
:26:01. > :26:07.When it comes to even be Shadow Chancellor's contribution today, why
:26:08. > :26:12.the slogans, anti-austerity? We all agree with that but where is the
:26:13. > :26:16.plan? That is what people need to be convinced of, the nuts and bolts of
:26:17. > :26:26.the plan to bring in a programme of anti-austerity. He did speak about
:26:27. > :26:32.investment in infrastructure, the living wage rise to ?10. He said a
:26:33. > :26:36.lot more specific stuff that the point is simply often in the lead up
:26:37. > :26:42.to elections or any party for that matter. Also, you have got to give
:26:43. > :26:50.them a break because the last 12 months, the Parliamentary Labour
:26:51. > :26:54.Party and forces behind and media could force an sport, they have not
:26:55. > :27:02.had a lot of time to breathe and try and do that policy. But they have
:27:03. > :27:08.lost significant numbers of well disposed economic advisers who felt
:27:09. > :27:15.it was not happening. Because of the turmoil, and I would still point a
:27:16. > :27:19.finger more at the right wing of the party than Jeremy Corbyn and
:27:20. > :27:24.McDonald. Before we go, I would like to move on to other political
:27:25. > :27:29.stories. Theresa May has claimed in an article that Brexit will enhance
:27:30. > :27:36.Scotland's place in the world. What do you make of that? The notion that
:27:37. > :27:42.she sat down in Downing Street penning that we know was not true.
:27:43. > :27:52.Some are bound done it. I cannot think they will get top marks week.
:27:53. > :27:57.The notion that a generation or a decade of uncertainty over bilateral
:27:58. > :28:01.trade agreements will help Scottish exports or that somehow, the Tories
:28:02. > :28:04.will provide the Scottish shipbuilding industry they
:28:05. > :28:11.destroyed, no one will see that as credible. We have heard from fishing
:28:12. > :28:15.leaders that said they would show world leadership after Brexit. Do
:28:16. > :28:19.you think they might be persuaded in time to see opportunities for
:28:20. > :28:23.Scotland? I'm not an expert on the fishing industry but I know it is
:28:24. > :28:33.flourishing in the river Forth but that's another story. These are
:28:34. > :28:39.areas where are the real leader. Scotland is a world leader in food
:28:40. > :28:46.and drink, Scotch beef, etc, whiskey. I thought this was a really
:28:47. > :28:50.patronising tone. It is once again the Tories not getting Scotland and
:28:51. > :28:55.they have not cottoned on to the fact that every local authority area
:28:56. > :29:06.in Scotland voted to remain, and that 62% vote... Scotland and
:29:07. > :29:13.England as political cultures are dividing. Did she misjudged her
:29:14. > :29:19.message? I just think that was a piece of party hack it chucked up
:29:20. > :29:24.for a magazine's consumption. It did not tell us anything at all. We
:29:25. > :29:28.still do not know what Brexit means and until we know, this phrase
:29:29. > :29:31.Brexit means Brexit and you cannot define the term, it is so circular
:29:32. > :29:37.that we are long way from knowing where any of this is going. So no
:29:38. > :29:44.sign that voters are less uncertain? How can be? There is no point in
:29:45. > :29:45.polling people were taking soundings when the question itself is
:29:46. > :29:47.meaningless. Laura Maciver will be here tomorrow
:29:48. > :29:55.night at the usual time. So do please join
:29:56. > :30:01.her then, bye bye.