:00:00. > :00:00.A first today as shale gas arrived on our shores,
:00:00. > :00:28.But what part will it play in Scotland's energy future?
:00:29. > :00:34.The controversial process known as fracking was used to extract
:00:35. > :00:41.What questions does that raise for Scotland's energy policy?
:00:42. > :00:43.Kezia Dugdale wins the struggle for more autonomy
:00:44. > :00:57.We speak to Ford Kiernan and Greg Hemphill about the return
:00:58. > :01:09.It's not quite made it to its intended destination
:01:10. > :01:13.of Grangemouth yet due to high winds but for the importers of that
:01:14. > :01:16.first shale shipment, the chemical giant INEOS,
:01:17. > :01:22.Shale is extracted by fracking or hydraulic fracturing.
:01:23. > :01:25.It's a controversial practice which is currently not allowed
:01:26. > :01:30.The delivery comes as the annual report on the health
:01:31. > :01:34.of the oil and gas sector points to more job losses.
:01:35. > :01:36.So what questions does the arrival of American shale raise
:01:37. > :01:51.Shale gas for manufacturing, that is the message of the first ever
:01:52. > :02:00.shipment to arrive in Scotland from the US. Here, eating is taken from
:02:01. > :02:07.the gas and used to produce plastic pellets. That means jobs. There are
:02:08. > :02:19.not raw materials to operate Grangemouth. So this is all about
:02:20. > :02:24.securing those 10,000 jobs. Today's shipment is a product of fracking in
:02:25. > :02:28.the US but could it take place here in Scotland? INEOS says we should
:02:29. > :02:33.seriously consider it. The Scottish Parliament narrowly voted to ban it
:02:34. > :02:37.with the SNP abstaining. The Scottish Government has a moratorium
:02:38. > :02:44.in place until it. They have the impact is complete. The issue about
:02:45. > :02:46.importation or production of unconventional gas is hugely
:02:47. > :03:00.controversial. There is debate around the signs around it and that
:03:01. > :03:02.is why we have commissioned research. The UK Government is
:03:03. > :03:04.pro-fracking but Labour say they would impose a ban if elected.
:03:05. > :03:05.Critics fear it could have a detrimental impact on the
:03:06. > :03:06.environment and communities. Well, joining me now to discuss
:03:07. > :03:08.that are, in Edinburgh, Friends of the Earth Scotland's
:03:09. > :03:10.director, Dr Richard Dixon, in Dundee, Dr Stuart Paton,
:03:11. > :03:13.who's an adviser to the oil and gas industry, and former chief
:03:14. > :03:15.executive of Dana Petroleum and here in Glasgow,
:03:16. > :03:17.Professor Karen Turner, who is director of the Centre
:03:18. > :03:32.for Energy Policy at Strathclyde Richard Dixon, I will come to you
:03:33. > :03:37.first. What did you make of the day and how do you feel about this first
:03:38. > :03:42.shipment arriving in Scotland? There are a number of interesting things
:03:43. > :03:47.today. The First Minister and energy Minister were both invited but they
:03:48. > :03:52.turned out to be too busy. The ship did not manage to block suitors
:03:53. > :03:56.languishing in the fourth. But this is something that INEOS are using to
:03:57. > :04:03.reignite the debate about weather we should have fracking but they are
:04:04. > :04:08.not even using it very well. He thought that probably fracking will
:04:09. > :04:12.never happen in Scotland. INEOS may frack in the North of England if
:04:13. > :04:16.they get their way but he thinks Scotland is a lost cause. We are
:04:17. > :04:20.getting very close signals from ministers and the government and
:04:21. > :04:24.even from INEOS wrote that fracking will probably never happen here.
:04:25. > :04:29.There is still a lot we do not know about fracking. We are awaiting the
:04:30. > :04:33.results of investigations you carried out and that is why there is
:04:34. > :04:40.a moratorium on it at the moment. Or do you think about studies be done
:04:41. > :04:46.safety here in a way that does not damage the environment? There are a
:04:47. > :04:51.couple of different aspects. We do not know what the potential in
:04:52. > :04:57.Scotland is the shale gas development and until we do, we
:04:58. > :05:03.really will not understand the potential that we have got here. But
:05:04. > :05:09.if we don't do that and decided to go ahead, it would be very important
:05:10. > :05:12.for Scotland. But we will not see it on the scale of the United States
:05:13. > :05:18.but it could be very important in terms of domestic gas supply which
:05:19. > :05:22.we use in our homes and electricity and also chemical production which
:05:23. > :05:28.is hugely important to the Scottish economy. This is just the first
:05:29. > :05:32.step. This shipment will only be used for manufacturing. We're not
:05:33. > :05:37.even looking ahead to energy policy yet. Within this complex issue comic
:05:38. > :05:41.are we asking the right questions about if and when we will need shale
:05:42. > :05:48.gas and whether we should be using it? We need to ask, what is it we
:05:49. > :05:58.use gas for? This is a nice example. It is not our heating or lighting
:05:59. > :06:03.all transport. This is the use of energy and manufacturing processes
:06:04. > :06:11.and it is petrochemicals so ultimately, the deodorant UU 's, the
:06:12. > :06:15.shampoo you use, so it shows this complex mix of energy demand
:06:16. > :06:18.requirements we have. Then there is the big question of how we meet
:06:19. > :06:24.those demands and servers this energy needs. How do you feel about
:06:25. > :06:30.the debate so far? Are we looking at the right places? So far, it has
:06:31. > :06:37.been very polarised. It has focused on the environmental issues or
:06:38. > :06:39.talking about renewables versus taking hydrocarbons out of the
:06:40. > :06:45.ground but this is a good example because the use of gas and
:06:46. > :06:49.manufacturing processes, there is not eight clear renewable
:06:50. > :06:59.alternative. It is industrial energy use. So I think we need to set and
:07:00. > :07:03.think about the wider set of questions. The first one is, what do
:07:04. > :07:09.we use gas for and where will we get it from? All the questions that have
:07:10. > :07:13.come into focus like environmental damage and health concerns, we need
:07:14. > :07:17.to think about whether we have looked at these properly, for the
:07:18. > :07:23.Scottish case. Then there is a wider set of questions. We're talking
:07:24. > :07:31.about energy prices. The biggest impact on your wallet comes from
:07:32. > :07:36.movement and energy prices. I do not know what shale gas can offer the
:07:37. > :07:41.fuel property but these are questions we need to ask. It has led
:07:42. > :07:45.to a lowering of energy prices and the US. I am wondering whether you
:07:46. > :07:50.might be able to accept some of that argument, that perhaps if this was
:07:51. > :07:55.proven to be a cheaper alternative to renewable energy, it would make
:07:56. > :08:00.sense to have a bit of even within our energy system. There are two
:08:01. > :08:05.things. First of all, what would the price be? The industry needs to do
:08:06. > :08:10.lots of testing and searching the work-out even if there is a viable
:08:11. > :08:16.industry. They have said that in the UK and have also said that shale gas
:08:17. > :08:20.will not reduce energy prices. So it is not cheap, even if there is
:08:21. > :08:25.plenty of it there. On the bigger picture, we need to keep 80% of the
:08:26. > :08:30.oil, gas and coal on the ground if we are to meet the climate targets
:08:31. > :08:34.agreed at the Paris climate conference before Christmas so
:08:35. > :08:43.adding more carbon to that mix is the last thing we need to do. What
:08:44. > :08:49.do you think of that idea and the concept that by 2020, we could be
:08:50. > :08:58.completely using renewables? I think we very much need a mixture. One of
:08:59. > :09:02.your other interviewees has said that energy and electricity is part
:09:03. > :09:07.of this and another big part is the chemical process and there, we
:09:08. > :09:11.definitely need gas. Within electricity, we need gas for the
:09:12. > :09:16.foreseeable future and we would be better off having that gas is
:09:17. > :09:21.produced locally. We produced a lot of gas from the North Sea. We are
:09:22. > :09:26.sitting on potentially very valuable gas resources right on our doorstep.
:09:27. > :09:31.It seems wrong not to explore and see how much of that we have got an
:09:32. > :09:36.use that locally. The value of that to the local Scottish economy in
:09:37. > :09:41.terms of jobs, tax revenue for the government, it could in principle be
:09:42. > :09:46.very important for us. It's wrong not to Lee's considered as part of
:09:47. > :09:50.our energy mix. In terms of the decline in the North Sea, is enough
:09:51. > :09:54.planning ahead being done to consider what might happen when the
:09:55. > :10:02.North Sea gas in particular runs out? We have obviously had very
:10:03. > :10:08.troubled times in the last 2-3 years with the drop in oil price and gas
:10:09. > :10:13.price and obviously a number of companies are struggling with that.
:10:14. > :10:21.The offshore industry is definitely taking steps to reduce its cost base
:10:22. > :10:26.and increase the economic viability. That will be a challenge for
:10:27. > :10:31.onshore. But what the North Americans have shown in shale gas,
:10:32. > :10:37.the cost has come down substantially in the last 2-3 years, very active
:10:38. > :10:41.supply chain and very active industry that has driven down costs
:10:42. > :10:46.and has shown it can be economic, even as the oil and gas prices
:10:47. > :10:51.lower. I would be very excited by the opportunity to work within the
:10:52. > :10:55.shale gas industry in Scotland and find out what we have got there and
:10:56. > :11:01.use that valuable resource on our doorstep. What do you make of the
:11:02. > :11:09.Scottish Government's offshore all and gas industry, and its reluctance
:11:10. > :11:13.to support fracking at the moment? We are in a transition. I would
:11:14. > :11:17.defend the Scottish Government's policy and I would think about oil
:11:18. > :11:21.and gas from the North Sea declining much faster than the government
:11:22. > :11:25.would but we are in a time of transition, meaning we're getting
:11:26. > :11:29.out of oil and gas. It is declining anyway and we need to leave some of
:11:30. > :11:38.it where it is. But the last thing we need to do is get more of it out
:11:39. > :11:41.in the form of shale gas. That is where we should not be going. On the
:11:42. > :11:46.manufacturing point, energy is very important to the economy, and we do
:11:47. > :11:48.need feedstocks for our chemical processes, but we need to look at
:11:49. > :11:52.the future of those and the transition they should be going
:11:53. > :11:56.through. One of the things the French have just done is declared
:11:57. > :12:02.they will have a ban on disposable plastic cups and cutlery and plates.
:12:03. > :12:07.That will save 5 billion cups a year. We use lots of plastic in a
:12:08. > :12:11.terrible wasteful way. We need to turn that around so that the amount
:12:12. > :12:15.of plastic we produce in the smaller. That is a small part of
:12:16. > :12:18.what we need to do with the remaining fossil fuels. But do you
:12:19. > :12:26.think the North Sea industry should now be left alone? We need a planned
:12:27. > :12:31.transition. We are seeing terrible chaos in the industry. We are seeing
:12:32. > :12:36.120,000 people losing their jobs and that is a disaster for individuals
:12:37. > :12:41.and families. A planned transition so we face out the North Sea oil and
:12:42. > :12:45.gas industry in a way that transfers those people skills into something
:12:46. > :12:50.useful, whether that is insulated and all renewables, rather than let
:12:51. > :12:54.it collapse and try and pick up the pieces, which is what we did with
:12:55. > :13:00.the coal industry in Scotland. Let's learn from that terrible disaster
:13:01. > :13:08.and plan for a real transition of sensible period. Is there something
:13:09. > :13:19.immoral to you think about the fact we are willing to import this gas
:13:20. > :13:22.but not extracting ourselves? This is the wider footprint question.
:13:23. > :13:29.Everybody is familiar with the term carbon footprint. What is our gas
:13:30. > :13:35.footprint? What is our call footprint? There always is a tension
:13:36. > :13:40.in that. The UK and Scottish Government... There are regulations
:13:41. > :13:46.that can be put in place to make sure things are done safely. Rules
:13:47. > :13:49.are adhered to. That will be different to the United States. It
:13:50. > :13:58.could be the Scottish industry would be better for the environment, I
:13:59. > :14:02.don't know. Regulations in mining tend to be more stringent in the UK
:14:03. > :14:06.that they are elsewhere so if you're thinking about the wider global
:14:07. > :14:12.picture, it is how things balance out. Our government does not have
:14:13. > :14:15.control of our processes or regulatory practices in other
:14:16. > :14:17.countries. Thank you so much for coming in.
:14:18. > :14:19.The Labour Party conference continues in Liverpool.
:14:20. > :14:21.And today, delegates gave their backing to proposals
:14:22. > :14:34.for greater autonomy for the party in Scotland.
:14:35. > :14:41.Our Westminster correspondent, Nick Eardley, sent us this report.
:14:42. > :14:53.Leaving Labour's conference, a first voting member.
:14:54. > :14:59.Just two hours after her victory on the conference floor on reforms to
:15:00. > :15:03.the relationship between Scottish Labour and Labour. It took a bit of
:15:04. > :15:14.a fright. We'll gerrymander the NEC and allow
:15:15. > :15:18.the decision-makers at the weekend to be vetoed by parliamentarians who
:15:19. > :15:24.are not accountable to this movement. This time more than ever
:15:25. > :15:33.we need to remove the top of our democracy and avoid more damaging
:15:34. > :15:40.publicity. This man's supporters were against part of the package.
:15:41. > :15:44.Giving more power to Scotland was an controversial. Senior figures in
:15:45. > :15:47.Scottish Labour argued passing reforms could be the start of a
:15:48. > :15:52.revival. Today you have an opportunity to
:15:53. > :15:56.help us. To bring to an end a decade-long debate over Scotland's
:15:57. > :16:00.place in the Labour Party. Opportunity to close the door on our
:16:01. > :16:03.opponents who make the accusation that Scottish Labour cannot speak
:16:04. > :16:08.for Scotland. An opportunity to help buyers write
:16:09. > :16:13.a new chapter as we build our party to be a electoral force in the
:16:14. > :16:21.future. 8% of those who voted backed changes
:16:22. > :16:25.will stop Mr Taylor was deleted. Daschle Promis Dugdale was
:16:26. > :16:29.delighted. I'm delighted we've got the result that we have because it
:16:30. > :16:33.puts beyond any and all doubt that the Scottish and Labour Party stands
:16:34. > :16:36.up for Scotland and put Scotland's first.
:16:37. > :16:39.Some people think that featured have been elected.
:16:40. > :16:42.What is your message to them? It's clear that the constituency members
:16:43. > :16:46.of the Labour Party across the country are left to their own
:16:47. > :16:50.delegates. That's been the case for a long time. What we have been in
:16:51. > :16:57.four years is that the labour of Welsh and Scottish Labour should sit
:16:58. > :17:01.on that body. I've got a 72% mandate for members in Scotland to speak for
:17:02. > :17:06.the Scottish Labour Party. That voice should be taken to the NEC.
:17:07. > :17:10.Today's wrote was about more than who sits on which body. The Scottish
:17:11. > :17:15.party has been trying for years to shake off the idea that it is
:17:16. > :17:19.subservient to London. Now Kezia Dugdale gets the autonomy she craves
:17:20. > :17:25.and more of a say in how the party is run. Tomorrow is Jeremy Corbyn's
:17:26. > :17:29.two. It is his first speech since his real action. His main message
:17:30. > :17:32.will be we need to stick together if we are to take the fight to the
:17:33. > :17:35.Tories. As the sun sets on this Labour
:17:36. > :17:36.conference that remains to be seen whether the Scottish party takes a
:17:37. > :17:41.whether the Scottish party takes a different path than Mr Corbyn's.
:17:42. > :17:43.It's the kind of gathering normally reserved for Hollywood.
:17:44. > :17:46.A hundred thousand people applied for tickets for three special
:17:47. > :17:49.screenings of the first episode of the new series of Still Game.
:17:50. > :17:51.Tonight, the lucky few got a preview of the show,
:17:52. > :17:54.which is returning to the BBC after a nine year absence.
:17:55. > :17:59.At its heart, two Glasgow pensioners Jack and Victor,
:18:00. > :18:05.Our arts correspondent Pauline McLean has been to meet
:18:06. > :18:06.the duo behind them, actors Ford Kiernan
:18:07. > :18:35.So Jack and Victor still 75 but everything has changed, hasn't it?
:18:36. > :18:40.We have these discussions with the set designer. What kind of TVs would
:18:41. > :18:45.they have, would they have mobile phones? It was financing those
:18:46. > :18:48.questions. Pensioners do have flatscreen TVs now and mobile
:18:49. > :18:54.phones. The world changes. But because we made it clear from the
:18:55. > :19:02.beginning we weren't going to make the many older you just have to let
:19:03. > :19:21.the world get older. Hold that. Watch. But it's there. Shut my door.
:19:22. > :19:27.Who is it, please? Basically we sort have said who would have the
:19:28. > :19:36.Internet. And the neighbour was Google before Google, she knew
:19:37. > :19:40.everybody, you know? A lot of what we were talking about before with
:19:41. > :19:45.the reaction to the Show, 21 nights at the Hydro, that big outpouring of
:19:46. > :19:49.love, I guess for the character rugby show. That couldn't have
:19:50. > :19:59.existed ten years ago. No, you couldn't have got that many people.
:20:00. > :20:02.Stuffs change. Twitter, the amount of conversations about the Show
:20:03. > :20:09.coming back on twitter have been in their hundreds and thousands. You do
:20:10. > :20:14.feel old when you consider that we did for the first time in 1989 and
:20:15. > :20:17.we used to meet up and say eight taxi driver told me that he liked
:20:18. > :20:25.this sketch, that's how you got your feedback. That makes you seem like a
:20:26. > :20:29.dinosaur now. Quilted toilet roll. You usually buy the cheap stuff that
:20:30. > :20:36.you put your fingers through. You've got a guest visiting.
:20:37. > :20:41.I think the Show and the characters have heart. People have their
:20:42. > :20:47.favourites. They love sitting characters meanness, maybe they love
:20:48. > :20:53.the way they all interact. We are fans of shows that make you feel
:20:54. > :20:58.good, rather than, you know are cynical or whatever. We like sitcoms
:20:59. > :21:01.that are... Like Cheers, stuff like that where you lose yourself for
:21:02. > :21:07.half an hour with people you feel like you know. Just like the song at
:21:08. > :21:09.the beginning of Cheers. We had a good idea all those years ago that
:21:10. > :21:16.there was something that could travel. We took it to Canada and
:21:17. > :21:20.Dublin. England. We've never looked beyond the series we just written,
:21:21. > :21:24.you know. We're sitting here tonight and were waiting for the next few
:21:25. > :21:28.weeks to see what the audience responses. They decide the life
:21:29. > :21:35.span. They would have done. So we could see more series yet? No
:21:36. > :21:39.make-up, were going to take all the make-up and put it in our pockets.
:21:40. > :21:41.We could even get dressed in the house!
:21:42. > :21:44.Pauline McLean there, speaking to Ford Kiernan and Greg Hemphill.
:21:45. > :21:46.And the new series of Still Game starts on Friday 7th
:21:47. > :21:49.of October on BBC One. Now, joining me to discuss the day's
:21:50. > :21:52.big stories are Catriona Stewart from The Herald and the Editor
:21:53. > :22:07.Good evening to you both. Looking forward to Still Game? Yes, I love
:22:08. > :22:13.Still Game. They are Scotland's answer to Brad and Angelina, aren't
:22:14. > :22:18.they? From still game to shale gas, let's talk about that. The first
:22:19. > :22:25.shipment arriving at Grangemouth today. Well, not quite arriving.
:22:26. > :22:32.Quite a show on the first of force today and this has reignited the
:22:33. > :22:36.debate about fracking. I think as your guests said earlier the central
:22:37. > :22:40.issue here is that we need gas to produce things. We need gas
:22:41. > :22:45.domestically. And it's got to come from somewhere. You're riding the
:22:46. > :22:51.horns of this band, where is it going to come from? If there are
:22:52. > :22:55.questions about the dangers of extracting it from the ground, it's
:22:56. > :22:59.easy to brush that away by bringing it from somewhere else. I think the
:23:00. > :23:04.reason why there is so much attention is because it is such a
:23:05. > :23:08.hard thing to resolve. Do you think it's become too much of a political
:23:09. > :23:14.argument, almost to be rational and reasonable about it now? I think
:23:15. > :23:17.when you've got something that so, almost emotive, there's the
:23:18. > :23:23.environmental campaigners on one hand who are very against it,
:23:24. > :23:26.there's moral issues around, you know, how moralism, really, that we
:23:27. > :23:30.are against fracking in Scotland but we're taking gas at the
:23:31. > :23:36.environmental expense of another country. Then you've got a
:23:37. > :23:45.government, it's very sort of tempting in that regard, jobs,
:23:46. > :23:48.money, as Paul says, we need energy to come from somewhere. Is it then
:23:49. > :23:56.looking at increasing renewable energy which, personally, I think is
:23:57. > :24:00.the way we should be going. On the question of politics in the US last
:24:01. > :24:08.night saw the first televised debate of the presidential campaign. He is
:24:09. > :24:20.a flavour of how they got on. She doesn't have the looks. She
:24:21. > :24:25.doesn't have the stamina. To be president of this country you need
:24:26. > :24:31.tremendous stamina. As soon as he travels to 112 countries and
:24:32. > :24:36.negotiate a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents and opening
:24:37. > :24:41.of new opportunities and nations around the world, or even spend 11
:24:42. > :24:46.hours testifying in front of a congressional committee he can talk
:24:47. > :24:50.to me about stamina! I wonder what you made of that? Did you see the
:24:51. > :24:55.whole thing? I was watching it like this a little bit. The cognitive
:24:56. > :24:59.dissonance is almost too much to handle. You got a former secretary
:25:00. > :25:05.of State oozing gauging in a presidential debate with a cartoon,
:25:06. > :25:11.essentially. -- who is engaging. And on the other hand it's a really
:25:12. > :25:13.event. You've got a high number of undecided voters and Hillary is
:25:14. > :25:18.having to come in and take those people with her. Last night Donald
:25:19. > :25:23.handed to her on a plate. Some of the stuff he was coming out with was
:25:24. > :25:28.nonsensical. He was talking about her anti-terror plans, saying that
:25:29. > :25:31.she was tipping off Isis. She suggested that he wasn't paying his
:25:32. > :25:37.federal taxes and he said, that makes me smart. At the end of its
:25:38. > :25:41.CNN was the largest poll and they said that 62% were backing Hillary.
:25:42. > :25:47.Whether that translates into votes we can only wait and see. We're like
:25:48. > :25:52.to more debates to come. Certainly, it was cringeworthy from Donald's
:25:53. > :25:57.side. But, Paul, we keep hearing he won't make it to the next stage. He
:25:58. > :26:02.won't win, and he's charging on. What you think the possibility is
:26:03. > :26:06.that he could... He's a man with Teflon here, nothing really sticks
:26:07. > :26:09.to him. He'll keep going because there's nobody else. But it does
:26:10. > :26:14.look as though the wheels are starting to come. He's like a
:26:15. > :26:21.football manager, blaming everything except his own performance. He said
:26:22. > :26:25.his was picking up his sniffles. He's starting to look for excuses.
:26:26. > :26:29.Perhaps this is the moment that thing is to learn. He was getting
:26:30. > :26:34.riled towards the end. She stayed very cool. What did you make of the
:26:35. > :26:38.body language? I watch it with the volume down and I thought the facial
:26:39. > :26:43.expressions were interesting. She states smiling at Camwy has his face
:26:44. > :26:51.was... It's that we had hand gesture he does. There is a comedian who
:26:52. > :26:55.does a voice-over who mocks trump's online with his originals. All he
:26:56. > :27:00.does is repeat jump's words but in a ridiculous accent. He shows how we
:27:01. > :27:05.did is what he says is. Watching that last night you can see exactly
:27:06. > :27:11.what he zoned in on. If you are looking for body language, Trump
:27:12. > :27:17.lost it. He had a complete meltdown towards the end as well. He was
:27:18. > :27:20.shouting. He was doing this bizarre stream of consciousness free
:27:21. > :27:24.association thing, pointing and being aggressive. He just wasn't
:27:25. > :27:28.presidential at all. It's very clear that if you support Donald Trump you
:27:29. > :27:31.The great Brexit debate continues and today in London,
:27:32. > :27:34.the First Minister gave a speech to Institute of Directors
:27:35. > :27:37.in which she linked the vote to leave the EU with the UK
:27:38. > :27:51.How does that adds to the debate? I find it a book you say. If that is
:27:52. > :27:55.the case then Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP have frequently
:27:56. > :27:59.said that they bore the brunt of austerity. They should have voted
:28:00. > :28:04.for Brexit then, that would have propelled them towards Brexit. But
:28:05. > :28:08.it had the opposite effect. Scotland was for remaining in the EU so I
:28:09. > :28:12.thought that it was just sort of scrambling around a bit to look for
:28:13. > :28:17.an excuse that wasn't there. Do you think the fact that it was in London
:28:18. > :28:22.she was maybe talking about the vote in England rather than its
:28:23. > :28:25.resonating here. Moray was our closest road and that's not a
:28:26. > :28:31.deprived part of Scotland. Certainly. When you look at the
:28:32. > :28:35.breakdown the statistics and student's hypothesis don't quite
:28:36. > :28:39.stack up. She's certainly not the first person to say that. But Brexit
:28:40. > :28:46.is a bit like the parable of the blind men and the elephant. The man
:28:47. > :28:52.holding the Taylor thinks he has a rope. There is no multifaceted
:28:53. > :28:55.answer. It's really easy to protect your own thoughts on to it and that
:28:56. > :29:01.is exactly what the surgeon has done today. Thank you. It's been good to
:29:02. > :29:02.talk to you both. I'm back again tomorrow
:29:03. > :29:13.night, usual time. You can keep up-to-date with all the
:29:14. > :29:15.Scottish News online. In the meantime please join me tomorrow.
:29:16. > :29:20.Goodbye for now.